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Monday, March 28, 2016

Idolocracy and idiocracy

I saw part of an episode of American Idol last night, and what struck me immediately was that it, and the commercials run for its viewers, was entertainment for retards and children. There was an Angry Birds skit/commercial that was very nearly as embarrassing as it was insulting to the intelligence of the audience. As near as I could tell in the 10 minutes or so that I managed to endure it, it looked as if it was aiming for an audience with an IQ of around 85-90. This makes commercial sense, of course, given the fact that I've calculated the average US IQ has fallen at least four points based on demographic change alone.

I thought my calculation was pessimistic for the long-term fate of the USA, but it turns out that the situation may well be considerably worse. If Bruce Charlton and Michael Woodley are correct, idiocracy is already here and there appears to be no way to reverse the course of the intellectual decline short of either a) a cataclysmic collapse and rebuilding of Western society or b) totalitarian scientific eugenicism on steroids.
It has been a fascinating, and I must admit horrifying, three-and-a-bit years since Michael Woodley and I first discovered the first objective evidence that there has been a very substantial decline in general intelligence ('g') over the past two hundred years - the evidence was posted on this blog just a few hours after we discovered it:

Since then, Michael has taken the lead in replicating this finding in multiple other forms of data, and in a variety of paradigms; and learning more about the magnitude of change and its timescale. His industry has been astonishing! 

We currently believe that general intelligence has declined by approximately two standard deviations (which is approximately 30 IQ points) since 1800 - that is, over about 8 generations.

Such a decline is astonishing - at first sight. But its magnitude has been obscured by social and medical changes so that we underestimate intelligence in 1800 and over-estimate intelligence now.

On the other hand, magnitude and rapidity of decline in world class geniuses in the West (and of major innovations) does imply a decline of intelligence of at least 2 SDs - so from that perspective the rate and size of decline is pretty much as-expected.
So much for the quaint notions of a shiny, sexy, seculatopia where reason and logic would reign over all. If they are right, we'll be fortunate if our great-great-grandchildren don't return to the trees and seas, a-grunting as they go.

To a certain extent, the crisis facing the species is similar to that of Nigeria, only writ large. Whereas the Nigerian population used to be limited by high child mortality and was able to feed itself, the importation of Western science and medical care reduced the child mortality rate, caused the population to explode, and has rendered the nation both unable to feed itself, and less intelligent on average as well.

In the West, one need only compare the difference between the popular books of fifty, one hundred, and two hundred years ago with today's bestsellers to observe that there has been a prodigious decline in reader's tastes, despite the fact that the less-intelligent half of the population doesn't read at all.

These changes are not merely dysgenic and dyscivic, they are dyscivilizational. Which causes me to suspect that the future trend is not merely going to be nationalistic, but highly eugenicist as well. The first nation to ensure its homogenuity and solve the declining intelligence challenge will have a significant advantage over all the rest. The only upside that I see is that there should be no desire whatsoever to attack and rule over other nations and populations, although that carries some potentially ominous implications too.

I certainly hope they're wrong, because it's enough to make even a hard-core atheist science-fetishist want to say: "Come, Lord Jesus, and soon!"

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Blogger Eric March 28, 2016 4:45 AM  

Thirty IQ points? That just doesn't pass the smell test.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 28, 2016 5:01 AM  

Flynn Effect please pick up the red courtesy phone

Anonymous rubberducky March 28, 2016 5:03 AM  

The American Idol show is indeed juvenile. Then again, it's audience is mostly young females, and that is exactly who its advertisers are targeting, and hard.

Blogger VD March 28, 2016 5:04 AM  

Thirty IQ points? That just doesn't pass the smell test.

Initially no. My reaction was the same.

But if you compare an episode of American Idol to The Virginian, a bestseller from 1902, it becomes conceivable, if not necessarily credible. I would say it's not unreasonable to say one would need an IQ of around 115 to really enjoy reading that... and that's 30 points higher than the 85 I figured for American Idol.

OpenID luciussomesuch March 28, 2016 5:11 AM  

Charlton is a strange man. Like his bête noire Dr. Cochran, he has strident opinions on everything, and many of his blog posts, while full of interesting nuggets of speculation and potential insight, read like the refrigerator note-pad scrawlings of a caffeinated aspie. Reading him at length, he comes off as highly intelligent but desultory, too struck by the first flash of a new idea and heedless to flesh out his arguments, and entirely too full of dogmatic self-confidence.

He also has none of Bertonneau's depths of sensibility. He once wrote a post on Classical music in which he complained, by turns, that Bach composed like a computer, Mozart's best music is shot through with bathos, and Beethoven's Ninth suffers "gaping holes in the orchestration". As to Haydn, he noted he'd listened to his music for "hundreds of hours" without ever feeling moved. Leaving aside the many genuinely pathos-laden Haydn works and passages (The Seven Last Words of Christ, the Trauer Symphony) this monumentally arrogant misjudgment "begs the question": if Haydn is so non-moving, why listen to him at all?

Blogger intuitivereason March 28, 2016 5:15 AM  

Bruce comments on the decline and possible mechanisms for it — he is describing r-selection — but gives no illustrations that give scope to the change, nor data to back the assertion.

Dropping 4 pts (0.25SD) per generation is a lot though. It actually suggests that selection for intelligence must have been quite strong before that point, as there hasn't been intentional selection against it per se, just wilful ignorance.

Try designing a social system for a 0.25SD gain per generation to get the extent of cultural change required to reverse this. Average of reproductive cohort weighted by children has to be 0.5SD above the parent population, which is approximately the lower half of the population not reproducing at all.


Anonymous IptonM March 28, 2016 5:16 AM  

Yeah but look at the difference in scale, effort, and format. How many authors in 1902 would have wanted to put out the literary equivalent of American Idol? It's comparatively cheap and easy to shit out a production like American Idol these days. Even if we're talking about another book, it's still a lot easier to get a book published now. And given the lower literacy rate in the past, it would have been cost prohibitive to publish dreck when there's no audience for it. Anyone who would want to read it, couldn't.

Anonymous glenintenn March 28, 2016 5:20 AM  

A friend of mine is a prof of educational design in KS. He showed me a study once where they found that watching TV is more passive (In terms of neural activity) than sitting and staring at a blank wall.

Anonymous glenintenn March 28, 2016 5:22 AM  

This one says "same as" a blank wall stare

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/5jcl/5JCL59.htm

Blogger Eric Guillaume Dilasser-McDowell March 28, 2016 5:28 AM  

You mentioned the overestimation of average intellect today, and it's not hard to fathom why when you consider how self-isolated the section of the global population that considers itself "intellectual" is from the harsh reality embodied by the remaining vast majority. Think how easy it would be to subconsciously assume that most if not all people are as smart and "educated" as yourself, or close to that, when the only people you ever interact with face-to-face are also metrosexual latte-sippers that hold all the same views as you do and are generally easy to agree with. That applies to more demographics than just hip millennial men in their 20's, of course, but you get the picture.

Blogger Unknown March 28, 2016 5:34 AM  

How many people today would even read, much less buy, the literary equivalent of a Last of the Mohicans were it to be brought to market today? As dense as that book is, it was a national best seller at the time.
Does anyone think today's college credentialed* graduates could wade through even ten pages of Last of the Mohicans, much less want to?
Not many. Fewer still would even understand the prose. I doubt even the vast majority of tenured professors could, especially those in the humanities.
The retreat into Endarkenment continues apace. It's gonna get ugly, I'm afraid.


*I refuse to use the term educated, this is manifestly untrue today, and I say that as a current college student; I know about that which I speak, I see it all around me.

Blogger Salt March 28, 2016 5:43 AM  

I wonder if intelligence works as a wave. If each past civilization suffered the same fate? What civilization would willingly accept the conditions bringing on its demise?

Anonymous Steve March 28, 2016 5:44 AM  

I reckon - but can't prove - hyper-pessimism about IQ is mostly bollocks.

Yes, there are a lot more tards going around these days. But they're living kick-ass lives.

High-IQ people should worry less and shag more, if they want to pass on those clever genes.

What is unarguable is that the quality of public education in the West has catastrophically declined over the past 60 years.

If we want our kids to learn how to read good, and do other stuff good too, the teaching unions and lefty education bureacrats are going to have to be rounded up and fired into the sun.

Blogger Stilicho March 28, 2016 5:45 AM  

I do wonder how they're measuring g and adjusting over time; the linked post doesn't say. More to the point, though, they are observing cultural decay and correlating it with the g decline they claim to have observed, then positing causation. It's a valid method but requires closer study to establish causation. Indeed, they may find (as I suspect) that causation is reversed. That is, rather than a decline in g leading to cultural decay, the cultural decay is leading too a decline in g, or at least in the general expression of g. My suspicion, again, is that the cultural decay results in g being less needed as society relies more upon shortcuts and tech advances as a substitute for g. General intelligence becomes an atrophied muscle when not used, but would lie dormant for future use. N.B. This is different than the g decline posited by Vox due to the dysgenic effect of introducing lower g populations into a society. The authors of the linked post seem to buy into the Jared Diamond fallacy of thinking that a more technologically primitive culture has a higher g because of the more, and more complex, tasks that must be performed without the aid of technology.

Blogger Scott C March 28, 2016 5:45 AM  

I wonder if there is a tradeoff between hypermasculine traits (jawline, deepness of voice, body hair, bone structure etc) and intelligence. There is some evidence for this: East Asians (IQ 105) are comparatively less masculine than black Africans (IQ 70). It is these traits that women find attractive.

In 100 years, we'll have a bigger, dumber, browner population because women festishize hypermasculine traits.

OpenID luciussomesuch March 28, 2016 5:49 AM  

"I doubt even the vast majority of tenured professors could, especially those in the humanities."

--Well, it's hilarious to hear English profs rail against the backward educational opportunities for a woman in the time and class of Jane Austen's gentry, considering that those creatures usually attained fluent French (and perhaps Italian as well), played the pianoforte, and read doorbusters like Richardson's "Clarissa". The intellectual attainments of such a creature-- or at least if she realized expectations-- would be equivalent to something like a double-Master's nowadays.

Still, human nature being what it is, probably a lot of this was aspirational. Even Emma Woodhouse is chided by Mr. Knightley for her multiple well-considered reading lists she drew for herself but never read.

And I admit: I hate "The Last of the Mohicans". I might someday try "The Deerslayer" to give him a second chance, but Cooper seems one of those writers whose plaudits from the likes of Balzac were due to the novelty of American bumptiousness-- and the lack of something like boxed Beethoven sets or Kurosawa on Criterion to distract the discerning from reading second-tier filler, which is all they had to pass the time.

Anonymous Steve March 28, 2016 6:09 AM  

Well, it's hilarious to hear English profs rail against the backward educational opportunities for a woman in the time and class of Jane Austen's gentry

Nowadays they could get into debt for a degree in Legbeard Studies

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Anonymous Bz March 28, 2016 6:09 AM  

While I'm not an expert, it doesn't seem utterly inconceivable. Numerous factors contribute to our low IQ population successfully reproducing while the high IQ segment is less successful. Less infant mortality, far easier to have and bring up children and grandchildren (because of the welfare state), while high IQ specimens contend with an ever extending runway of education and play time and de-risking their double careers before finally deigning to have a single child. Compare to the Victorian era, Woodley and Charlton's baseline, where the UK had had basically the reverse policies for a long time. (See Gregory Clark.)

At the same time, we also have the demographic change of immigration. It should reduce the average IQ some points further, something that should accelerate in countries like Germany (low nativity) and Sweden (huge low IQ immigration). There was that chilling UN report, quickly withdrawn, that predicted Sweden to have less "human capital" than Libya(!) in a few decades, mostly by Sweden cratering. Perhaps they were wrong, but it's difficult to see Germany or Sweden, or other countries in the same situation, improving.

Simple global demographics should furthermore indicate that average IQ (globally) is declining. Third world population has exploded in the last 100 years, while Western population has increased far more modestly. While better nutrition may provide a one-time boost to some, and China might also raise global IQ (depending on how far you believe their IQ measurements), we today have about 1 billion in the West and 6-7 billion of the rest. In 1900 AD, the situation was quite different.

Blogger Shimshon March 28, 2016 6:10 AM  

Given the decline in average SAT scores of college-bound seniors from 1963 to 1995 of 980 to 910, and the ongoing (and accelerated) decline since, I suppose this shouldn't be surprise. A drop of 70 points in the pre-1996 scores reflects over 5 point of IQ decline, does it not? However, the chart I am looking at does not break down by race.

Blogger Phillip George March 28, 2016 6:14 AM  

rather than raw data I'd want to see this treated like an epidemiological exercise.
First question is how are they doing in non fluoridated non vaccinated communities?

I'd be amazed if 50 or 100 hertz light sources, digital sound, fluoridation, vaccines, heavy metals from all sources didn't explain most of this. Plus average age of primigravida mothers.

Everything else is net genetic entropy. Genetic Entropy is the Elephant in the room every pseudo intellectual neo Darwinian is assiduously ignoring. Because it only fits a young earth, recent creation, recent fall scenario which includes, heaven, hell, Armageddon. Cheer Up. There's only one exit worth taking.

Blogger VD March 28, 2016 6:24 AM  

There is some evidence for this: East Asians (IQ 105) are comparatively less masculine than black Africans (IQ 70). It is these traits that women find attractive.

Except they obviously don't. Women reliably find black Africans to be the least attractive of all the options available to them.

In 100 years, we'll have a bigger, dumber, browner population because women festishize hypermasculine traits.

Even if you weren't incorrect about this nonexistent fetish, that wouldn't be the case because such a population is incapable of feeding or maintaining itself.

Blogger S1AL March 28, 2016 6:28 AM  

So are they saying that IQ has actually declined or that the calculated 30 point rise didn't actually occur?

Anonymous Be Not Afraid March 28, 2016 6:35 AM  

A few thoughts-
1. I've wondered what the effects of removing evolutionary pressures via ease of food and medical care availability would be, and I guess my question may have been answered.
2. I've also wondered if a society needs a certain percentage of people above a particular IQ, or a certain number of people above that IQ, to function. If the former, we're apparently doomed in short order.
3. Is there a recovery? Would people with 80 IQ, nourished with food stamps, with Obamacare to keep them healthy, and American Idol to keep them happy, even be able to understand the problem? Can you imagine such people sitting through genetic counseling, and agreeing not to pop out 5 unenhanced kids?

Anonymous Aachen March 28, 2016 6:38 AM  

@11 I am a college grad and I read this beast though I doubt anyone else I studied with would have, taught me a lot as well about what made our civilisation powerful and some useful insights into economics and risk management: http://www.amazon.com/The-Dutch-Republic-Greatness-1477-1806/dp/0198207344

I would agree we are getting more stupid however. The other day I went on facebook and saw a post graduate with honours in psychology, surprise, posting garbage about how 3rd wave feminism is at the forefront of stopping the sexualisation of children by 'evil capitalists'. Funny I always thought 3rd wave feminists were full of perverts.

I've already re-educated this person on Naomi Klein, muslim terrorists, communism but the stupid never stops... its like it goes away and then creeps back manifesting itself with completely delusion posts. Though I particularly enjoyed explaining to her, the psych honours expert, how she was being psychologically manipulated by Naomi Klein through the technique of super-imposing the word capitalism on pictures of natural disasters, 911 and Tiananmen Sq.

Kind of like the recently graduated journalist that talked about Bernie being a champion for women... to lazy to even bother to do any basic research into that creep.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 28, 2016 6:39 AM  

I have to take most of these claims with a shaker of salt. My observation has been that young people are ill-educated, but not lacking in raw intelligence. The problem is cultural. A century ago, fiction heroes were smart, as well as strong. Today...not so much.

And television has always been geared to a very low IQ.

Anonymous modoc March 28, 2016 6:40 AM  

I think a onetime tax free cash bonus for voluntary permanent sterilization would solve this problem. Another option instead of cash would be a significant increase over the regular monthly per child sum already paid.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 28, 2016 6:40 AM  

One other factor is that various expressions of high IQ are more and more strongly discouraged as Official Truth gets further and further disconnected from reality. If you're smart enough, it's not hard to figure out ab initio from direct observation the cant that passes for truth, to the extent truth is even a goal, and woe behold you if you speak up about it. Which doesn't exactly encourage you to reproduce.

Blogger VD March 28, 2016 6:42 AM  

I've also wondered if a society needs a certain percentage of people above a particular IQ, or a certain number of people above that IQ, to function. If the former, we're apparently doomed in short order.

According to a recent book whose title escapes me, the former is far more important than the latter.

Blogger VD March 28, 2016 6:44 AM  

My observation has been that young people are ill-educated, but not lacking in raw intelligence. The problem is cultural.

Your personal observations are irrelevant. The problem is not cultural. It is, at a bare minimum, genetic and demographic. And it is quite possibly worse.

Anonymous Aachen March 28, 2016 6:51 AM  

@17 I heard of that report regarding Sweden. I mentioned it to an intelligent Chinese girl that worked at the embassy in Sweden for 4 years.

She looked at me, 'What do you mean then, its already turned into a 3rd World country in places'.
She also told me they knew not to go to any of the Muslim areas and she considered the young Swedish men as to busy getting drunk and chasing tail to realise their country was being destroyed.

Blogger Shimshon March 28, 2016 7:08 AM  

Vox, thank you for watching this so I don't have to.

Anonymous Bz March 28, 2016 7:10 AM  

The withdrawn UN report I mentioned can be found here: http://ww.rrojasdatabank.info/HDRP_2010_40.pdf
Sweden vs Libya on page 41, comparing HDI2030. "HDI" means "Human Development Index".

(We can ask whether some of those projections make sense given the events of the last few years; for example, will France really be so high on the list in 2030? But it still gives some considerable pause for thought.)

Anonymous Chico and the Man March 28, 2016 7:12 AM  

The same thought occurred to me while reading a Shakespeare play. That was the American Idol of the day, enjoyed by all the plebes. Good Lord we're dumb.

Blogger Scott C March 28, 2016 7:13 AM  

Except they obviously don't. Women reliably find black Africans to be the least attractive of all the options available to them.

Then why are a greater percentage of black men married to women outside of their race than Asian men? The cohabitation rates are even starker.

Asian women marry outside of their race at three times the rate of black women. More Asian women have a preference for non-Asian men than black women do for non-black men. The data you're thinking of doesn't explain interracial marriage and cohabitation rates. The decision to marry or live with someone is based on more than just attractiveness, but then attractiveness by itself doesn't predict which groups end up in relationships where children are likely to be produced.

Even if you weren't incorrect about this nonexistent fetish, that wouldn't be the case because such a population is incapable of feeding or maintaining itself.

Certainly not to the point of extinction. The population of Brazil has a mean IQ of 87 and it isn't facing mass starvation.

Blogger Giovanni Dannato March 28, 2016 7:20 AM  

A lot of the change we observe in popular discourse is simply that the tastes of simple people are allowed to influence culture more than they were before. The market of people interested in books would have been drawn from a lower literate percentage of the population, books were a lot rarer and more expensive. Reading novels would have been a middle class and above hobby that filtered out working class and underclass participation.
Masses of people with simple tastes have always been there but they weren't enabled by modern outlets.
Even with a drop in selective pressure on intelligence improvements such as better nutrition may have caused a Flynn effect for now.

Blogger VD March 28, 2016 7:40 AM  

Then why are a greater percentage of black men married to women outside of their race than Asian men? The cohabitation rates are even starker?

Because black men are more willing to "mate down". They accept the penalty of their racial unattractiveness in order to date less attractive women of more attractive races.

It's the same reason less attractive white men date more attractive Asian women. Race provides either a bonus or a penalty in attraction terms.

Anonymous The OASF March 28, 2016 7:43 AM  

Well if there is a silver lining here... The government and its evil subsidizers such as the US Chamber of Commerce and Grocery Manufacturers of America are artificially lowering the IQ of the populations by contaminating our air, food, and water with every kind of pesticide, poison, and toxin imaginable.

So once the collapse blows over and people must "grow or die" quoting our favourite gardening author here, that shoukd reverse at least some of the IQ rate collapse, I would think.

What I think is really interesting to note here is that the young Earth creationist is proven correct yet again in that short of divine intervention mankind's only future is devolution and the annihilation of all life on Earth. The Fukushima nuclear disaster alone may yet destroy half the planet.

Blogger Nate March 28, 2016 7:48 AM  

As always... this is not news to any student of history with a predilection for primary sources. I've spent a lot of time reading the letters the soldiers from the 1860s wrote to their families. Sure... you expect the officers to be bright... but the letters written by the privates... just common young males... simply blow you away.

Today when we go back and read works from 1800 or so we classify the difficulties we have with them as a language barrier. But it isn't a language barrier at all. Its just the standard problem that someone with an 80 IQ has when they are trying to communicate with someone who's IQ is in the 130 range. The reader knows what most of the words mean... and knows the punctuation... but still has no idea what the author is actually saying and can't follow the reasoning and logic at all.

Someone went and collected reviews of Stoker's Dracula written by Twilight fans.

Tells you everything you need to know.

Anonymous VFM 8859 March 28, 2016 7:49 AM  

Just reading that crap killed .5 SD of mine.

You bastard!

Blogger Nate March 28, 2016 7:49 AM  

"The government and its evil subsidizers such as the US Chamber of Commerce and Grocery Manufacturers of America are artificially lowering the IQ of the populations by contaminating our air, food, and water with every kind of pesticide, poison, and toxin imaginable. "

/facepalm

government isn't making us dumber. Technology is. Medicine is. The world has gotten to friendly to human life. There is to little pressure to keep the herd healthy.

Blogger Ben Cohen March 28, 2016 7:56 AM  

Flouride! The train isn't fine!

Anonymous Roundtine March 28, 2016 7:57 AM  

If there is a population of X dummies and Y geniuses, and the population grows to 10X and 2Y, there are twice as many geniuses, but general intelligence would plummet. That's bad, but I would be far more worried if the IQ of the Y population is falling, since it would suggest something far deeper than relative rates of fertility.

According to a recent book whose title escapes me, the former is far more important than the latter.

Hive Mind by Garrit Jones.

Blogger S1AL March 28, 2016 8:04 AM  

So are they saying that IQ has actually declined or that the calculated 30 point rise didn't actually occur?

Blogger Jeff Burton March 28, 2016 8:08 AM  

Two words: genetic entropy.

Anonymous Roundtine March 28, 2016 8:09 AM  

General intelligence has been described as an ability to solve problems. People with a lot of g are able to solve a lot of different problems. Back in the 1800s, most problems were solved by the individual. If your ancestors ran into an unsolvable problem, the odds of them making it into the next generation would have been greatly diminished. Life in the 1800s and earlier was effectively a non-stop IQ test.

Anonymous Ain March 28, 2016 8:13 AM  

I'm not all that clued in on how IQ works. I understand it to mostly be genetic, but is it possible that much of this is the consequence of decades of mal-education? How much of it is deeply seeped ignorance?

Anonymous Generic Commenter March 28, 2016 8:13 AM  

I agree with you, Mr. Vox, people are getting dumber and it's because of this particular hobby-horse of mine!

Blogger Phillip George March 28, 2016 8:16 AM  

Nate/

bigger facepalm

genetic bottle necks don't lower entropy. You lose.

Blogger Scott C March 28, 2016 8:16 AM  

Because black men are more willing to "mate down". They accept the penalty of their racial unattractiveness in order to date less attractive women of more attractive races.

Then they're dating women who not only have been passed up by the less attractive members of their own race, but by men of other (less attractive) races. If blacks are at the bottom of the beauty scale, then so are the women they hook up with. The thing is, I don't observe that very often. I'd say 6 out of every 10 black guys I see around here is paired up with a decent looking (usually white) woman. But generally speaking, you could be right.

Blogger Orville March 28, 2016 8:20 AM  

Scott C, you obviously don't go to Wal-Mart much. Pasty white tatted up land whales paired with a variety of thug life brothers.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy March 28, 2016 8:25 AM  

As near as I could tell in the 10 minutes or so that I managed to endure it, it looked as if it was aiming for an audience with an IQ of around 85-90. This makes commercial sense, of course, given the fact that I've calculated the average US IQ has fallen at least four points based on demographic change alone.

Remember that “fallen at least four points based on demographic change alone” means that rather than shifting the overall bell curve to the left, there is a significant and increasing sub-population centered around roughly 85. The success of entertainment aimed at that group does not require that the other populations within the U.S. are declining in IQ.

(But that doesn't mean the effect you're talking about doesn't exist.)

to observe that there has been a prodigious decline in reader's tastes

This is a consequence of two pieces of Leftist malice.

* To remove beauty from Western culture, Leftists in education promote unpleasant works of art (including literature) over pleasant ones, thereby teaching children that reading is not fun, and especially that reading books that they are told are ‘good’ is unpleasant.

* The ‘whole language’ dogma aggressively pushed by the Left made reading difficult for many or most children (the ones who weren't smart enough to figure out ‘phonics’ on their own). (And now they've moved on to FUBARing the mathematical skills of a generation with Common Core.)

Taken together, these two effects will both diminish the reading population and teach even smart children to avoid the ‘Great Books’.


(I think you're probably right about the decline in IQ, because there are so many selective pressures against smart people in modern society, but these two facts have other explanations.)

Blogger Adm Trell March 28, 2016 8:27 AM  

Anyone who doubts that IQ has dropped should be a substitute teacher for a few days.... you'll find plenty of anecdotal evidence to support the Idiocracy Thesis. The older you are, say, over 40 or 50, the more horrified you'll be.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz March 28, 2016 8:28 AM  

Since Japan has less influence from outside genetics, it would be of interest to compare their IQ levels over the same period.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 28, 2016 8:34 AM  

When asked, people will argue that it's really all just about business, box office earnings, and ratings. But is it? The correlation between the media assault and the decline in intellectual adroitness is demonstrably consistent since the middle of the 1960's. Question: Who stands to benefit from this dumbing down? If the herd is rendered mind-numbed then it's more manageable. Once that's achieved, those who see themselves as annointed to rule the planet can acheive their long-awaited goal. But are people aware that this is the endgame? That's an easy question to answer: just try running that scenario by your average goy and notice the perplexed look on his face.

Anonymous Quartermaster March 28, 2016 8:34 AM  

@53
The problem with Japan is they are slowly dying as their young people aren't interested in reproducing.

Vox, you've nailed why I quit watching TV back around 2001. I wasn't watching much even before that, but it became really easy at that point to turn off the inanity.

My kudos to the artist who did the RP 2016 logo.

Anonymous Athor Pel March 28, 2016 8:37 AM  

" 7. Anonymous IptonM March 28, 2016 5:16 AM
... And given the lower literacy rate in the past, it would have been cost prohibitive to publish dreck when there's no audience for it. Anyone who would want to read it, couldn't."


To quote a comment I put here a few years ago,


John Taylor Gatto said the following in a speech in 1990.
"Our form of compulsory schooling is an invention of the state of Massachusetts around 1850. It was resisted - sometimes with guns - by an estimated eighty per cent of the Massachusetts population, the last outpost in Barnstable on Cape Cod not surrendering its children until the 1880's when the area was seized by militia and children marched to school under guard.

Now here is a curious idea to ponder. Senator Ted Kennedy's office released a paper not too long ago claiming that prior to compulsory education the state literacy rate was 98% and after it the figure never again reached above 91% where it stands in 1990. I hope that interests you."

Your "lower literacy rate in the past" is bullshit.

Go find an American newspaper from the late 1700's or early 1800's and read some of it. See how far you get.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 28, 2016 8:38 AM  

I'm inclined to agree. There are now very strong selective pressures against high intelligence. And they have been in place since the end of WWII.

We've certainly been encouraging stupid people to breed like roaches while intelligent people (specifically intelligent women) are actively discouraged from reproducing until they are nearly infertile.

Even then they are going to have at most one or two as opposed to the seven children (on avg) they would have had at the turn of the last century.


So yes I believe 30 points is quite possible.

However (*big comma*)

Since 1800?!?

Public education didn't exist back then. Most people if they learned the three Rs at all, got at best a third grade education. Then it was off to the fields. Most people remained illiterate all their lives and therefore their intelligence data is unrecorded.

Elites did better of course and arguably got a better education than what is available today but that creates an artificially high baseline.

The Stanford-Binet (IQ) scale was not adopted until 1916.


What is he using for 19th century data?

Scientifically Adjusted Date? I can't accept that for global warming, so I wont' accept that here. Even though I am pretty sure he is right

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 28, 2016 8:38 AM  

@38 Nate

I was struck by the same thing when watching that Civil War series on PBS. Much of the script was taken from soldiers' letters, which were incredible.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz March 28, 2016 8:42 AM  

55. Quartermaster March 28, 2016 8:34 AM

But wasn't that the point with the high IQ couple in IDIOCRACY who failed to reproduce?

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 8:55 AM  

In the case of an EMP or solar flare, 90% will die. Also IQ will shift 3SD higher.
Have you ever read an 8th grade school book from the late 1800s?
Why do you think home-schooled children blow away their govt-schooled counterparts? Genetics is only potential, and when you feel smart because the class is dumbed down you don't learn how to solve problems.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 28, 2016 9:01 AM  

Throw in Melville's Moby Dick or Billy Bud, especially Moby Dick, and it gets gloomier.

Blogger Phillip George March 28, 2016 9:07 AM  

in 150 years no-one has penned a line like "stupefied by relativism"

Any physicist worth his rare earth elements can attest to the conundrum, "from whence did all the usable energy gradients arise?"

If someone deals you a hand play the game or fold

Anonymous Roundtine March 28, 2016 9:10 AM  

@46 is it possible that much of this is the consequence of decades of mal-education?

No. They are using data on reaction times because it correlates with IQ. There's no education for reaction times. Subjects are shown a picture, or given a sound, and identify it as fast as possible.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty March 28, 2016 9:13 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Public education didn't exist back then.

Which is a good part of why people were smarter back then. Or at least less stultified.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 28, 2016 9:16 AM  

@38 Nate.

I agree...for the most part.

There is however an artificially high baseline here as well.

Language and writing was drastically more important than it is now.

The world of 1860 was the dawn of an age where being able to do calculus in your head made you useful instead of a ridiculously useless freak of nature.

Through out all of human history before that, effective communication determined your success or failure in life. Which made standards for the written word much higher because it was close to literally a matter of life and death.

In addition. An eighth grade education for those so lucky to receive one, was probably equivalent to a high school education today.

And Finally. The families of Civil War veterans who had beautifully written letters preserved them lovingly. The families of Civil War veterans who had produced sub literate or poorly written letters, discarded them in embarrassment. Standards in general were higher

Blogger Cecil Henry March 28, 2016 9:27 AM  

I thought this was very interesting and promising:

Over the Easter weekend family gathering a spontaneous discussion began with my family and friends on the issue of the invasion of Europe and White Genocide.

I did not initiate, or mention White Genocide. But the term came up with guests. I said nothing. My father, who is constant ‘appeaser’, used mentioned ‘White Genocude' and the destruction of a civilization.

Other guests agreed and commented on the gross distortions of the media.

I simply listened in the background. It was very promising. Keep firing guys. KEEP firing.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 9:27 AM  

Think TV is making people more stupid? Add Facebook, Twitter and the like.

"...and I just bought the most awesome boots to go with my new purse..."

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 9:28 AM  

Meanwhile, journalism has decayed into mere clickbait
not unlike faux vs msnbc but with better algorithms.

Anonymous Monologue March 28, 2016 9:34 AM  

[It's] enough to make even a hard-core atheist science-fetishist want to say: "Come, Lord Jesus, and soon!"

If you want to know when the Apocalypse is coming, remember when the standard for the Great Flood:
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." [Gen 6:5]

At this rate we'll be there within a generation or two, barring a few Noahs living in obscure places.

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 9:38 AM  

@61 tell me about Moby Dick. In high school, I was given it as an alternative to the (for me) vulgar and pornographic "manchild in the promised land" after I told my Mother about it. I could read it and understand, but what was immediately apparent is I was given one book far more challenging than the entire syllabus. I already knew school was a sham.
What I didn't say is if black people were all like the author, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

Anonymous Steve March 28, 2016 9:39 AM  

Modern public policy is dysgenic.

But I'm not entirely convinced this means all that much in the long run (apart from immigration, which is a pustulating, maggot-infested wound the West needs to clean out asap).

Yes, it's true dumb people today have more kids than smart people. It's also true that dumb people 100 years ago, 200 years ago, and 300 years ago had big families.

Your average factory workers in Industrial Revolution England didn't stop breeding because they were poor.

Serfs and peasants in pre-Industrial times typically had huge families. Subsistence farming may actually select for strength and stamina, not smarts.

And smart, successful men have always chosen wives on the basis of their beauty, not their book smarts. Even when, by some happy accident, two geniuses copulate, regression to the mean suggests they're unlikely to have any children with astronomical IQ's.

I really do think education and culture are what's bemongolising Western kids, not genes. In previous generations learning was considerably more rigorous and challenging, and we didn't have TV and internet addled attention spans.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 28, 2016 9:41 AM  

The most important political implications will come from someone getting serious about eugenics. That's been a Forbidden Thought for 70 years, but the dam is cracking.

A society that made contraception a requirement to receive welfares could straighten itself out pretty quickly. A society that moved away from overtaxing a Payer Class (the most productive members of the society) out of the ability to have children will breed more Payers.

I don't think it would take much...and I believe a "No More Idiots" contraception-for-welfares policy would have broad support.

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 9:42 AM  

@69. Between Cascadia's fault and La Palma, well the promise was not to destroy the entire world. The coasts are milquetoast.

Anonymous cheddarman March 28, 2016 9:42 AM  

I read that the Chinese government is researching the genetic basis for intelligence. It would not surprise me to see the Chinese implement their findings in a national eugenics program.

Blogger Dr. Mabuse March 28, 2016 9:47 AM  

This is why I take no comfort from the reassurances of Polyannas that things were worse in the past - the Depression, the Civil War, the Arian heresies - "and we survived". Because "we" did not survive those things: THEY did. They were different people, and I don't think that our present population would be able to overcome those difficulties the way our ancestors did.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 28, 2016 9:48 AM  

Somewhere I read that genetic intelligence is an upper potential. Basically genius is limited and idiocy knows no bounds.

There is nothing you can do to raise your IQ; but tons that can stunt it.

Adding iodine to salt raised the collective IQ of Michigam 10points. Now, all the "smart" people use non-iodinised sea salt.

Add in the 4pt loss from flouridization and a few other poor dietary choices and who knows how low we can go!

Anonymous Slowpoke March 28, 2016 9:54 AM  

Allof the supposed increase in intelligence was due to the prevention of idiocy caused by iodine deficency in geographical areas with low natural iodine.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2013/07/23/how-adding-iodine-to-salt-boosted-americans-iq/#.Vvk3DPA8KrU

That gain is realized. The population is getting stupider now.

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 9:56 AM  

@71 It is both, and. Reaction times can still be fast in someone never challenged to develop and use smarts.
Someone slower who is challenged can do better.
But the culture itself is the problem. Encouraging single motherhood and misandry devastates everyone.
I've been in Wyoming for a year, and the difference is apparent - even the check-out and counter people can understand a complex order without me repeating it and no looks of surprise when I give change that results in getting a single quarter back. I'd estimate the ordinary person's average IQ as 120+.
Theoretically the same people genetically in the big cities behind the counters (indebted, degreed baristas) should be at least equal, but often were still dumbed down.

Blogger pneutral March 28, 2016 9:58 AM  

re the IQ of the target audience of American Idol.

The most important market, to advertisers, is the market which accepts being marketed to.

The more a person finds things out for themselves, the harder it is for marketing to reach them except with actually worthwhile products.
Therefore, the biggest TV series are targeted at lower range consumers and gather up a lot of advertising revenue.
To further distill the target demographic, the series are themselves made more popular among the people gullible enough to drink up any marketing, by being promoted via transparent multi media marketing themselves. ie pre packaged press releases to "news" outlets talking about in show/ inter judge controversies.
That these programs are watched by gullible people is a feature not a bug.

Blogger VD March 28, 2016 10:03 AM  

I really do think education and culture are what's bemongolising Western kids, not genes.

A) We don't care.
B) You're wrong.

They're not helping, to be sure. But they are not the core problem.

Blogger Lovekraft March 28, 2016 10:05 AM  

And if you have the stomach to watch tv long enough, you'll notice the disturbing recent trend of women/girls hitting males over words. Not in self defence, just being insulted.

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 10:05 AM  

@75 how many recognize your handle ;)
When we say "they" survived, it was a select or elect "they" who made it, not the ones who didn't.
In the current and upcoming crisis, "we" - people like those here - will be the "they", not the clueless.
When "they" burn the cities in protest and no help comes from "us" this time, maybe because it isn't even possible to help?

Blogger rumpole5 March 28, 2016 10:09 AM  

As usual, your analysis completely overlooks the fact that technology is advancing at an ever increasing rate. This morning I was watching a promo for a port in Los Angeles where the ship to truck/train unloading is completely automated. No people on the dock at all. One of the huge post-Panama ships, as large as an aircraft carrier, is manned by about 20 people. AI is on the edge of making all but a small cognitive elite superfluous. We will always have a good supply of all the high G folks we need because they are congregating in high IQ enclaves and breeding with each other. (See Murray's "Coming Apart"). Moreover, it is plausible that we soon will be able to engineer higher G in offspring. Finally, black men's affinity for white females is not a bad thing. Because the female IQ clusters around the middle the bell curve, these ladies are producing a smarter and more gentle Afro-American. My father in law did the same sort of thing when he brought in Jersey, Guernsey, and Red Polls to breed his Brahmin cow herd. The Brahmins were aggressive, hard to manage, and tore up his fences.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 10:10 AM  

The Flynn Effect is the scandal that didn't blow up and was flushed down the memory hole. IQ tests are scary accurate but the scale is not immutable. It is not like mass or weight. It is "normed" for the population. Flynn saw an uptick in White populations he mistook as evidence for Evolution. He was crazy excited and wanted to tell the World. They shut him down because the test showed the dumbing down of the population by the admixture of inferior populations of non-Whites to White Nations. The IQ of 100 used to be normed for a White population. Any addition of non_Whites will bring that down. The claim that Asians have higher intelligence ignores the renorming and the propensity for Asians to cheat shamelessly.
The TRUTH hurts - the inferior.

Blogger James March 28, 2016 10:14 AM  

I believe that the worst sort of stupidity is that which results from moral depravity. For example, I believe that people cannot understand what is wrong with minimum wage because they are morally degenerate and morally corrupted, not because they lack the teeny tiny bit of brain power necessary to grasp that there is no such thing as a free lunch. The Bible speaks of 2 different sorts of situations regarding intelligence: We're told to comfort the feeble minded, and also we see those "without understanding," (Asunetos in Greek), lumped in with the haters of God, full of murder, envy, and deceit, in Romans chapter 1.

Blogger Rez Zircon March 28, 2016 10:14 AM  

The networks love reality shows. Why? Because they're cheap to produce, and even if they lose a lot of the audience, the eyeball-to-dollar ratio is much better than for intelligent productions. And entertainment networks are in the business of selling your eyeballs to their advertisers.

Some real numbers from back when "reality shows" were fairly new, maybe 20 years ago (I don't know what it would be today):

Cost to produce a one hour show:
Science-fiction or stunt-heavy action: $1,000,000
Drama, no SFX or stunts: $500,000
Reality show: $50,000

And that's why there's been the big push toward reality shows, and away from anything that might halfway engage your brain (and cost more to produce). Taste is to some degree shaped by exposure, and this crap is what the younger generation has been largely exposed to. :(

(I hate the damn things, and consider them a type of brain-rot.)

Blogger pyrrhus March 28, 2016 10:16 AM  

Mouse Utopia is coming soon. Michael Woodley wants to replicate the experiment....

Anonymous BGKB March 28, 2016 10:17 AM  

is already here and there appears to be no way to reverse the course of the intellectual decline short of either

What about deporting illegal aliens and reversing the 86 amnesty that was part of the wall deal.

We currently believe that general intelligence has declined by approximately two standard deviations (which is approximately 30 IQ points) since 1800 - that is, over about 8 generations.

Forget 1800 I want to know what it is since 1965 immigration policy change. When did they stop teaching Latin/Greek in schools?

Flynn Effect please pick up the red courtesy phone

The SAT test has been purging math questions no black/brown can get right before I took it. When you see 1/50 Asian boys getting a perfect math SAT know they wouldn't do as well against earlier ones. What if they have been trying to make non Asian minorities smarter on all tests?

Women reliably find black Africans to be the least attractive of all the options available to them

The only reason you ever hear about blacks beating white women with a diamond studded gold plated stripper pole is because those blacks can afford a private jet for their diamond studded gold plated stripper pole.

23 if a society needs a certain percentage of people above a particular IQ, or a certain number of people above that IQ, to function

90IQ is the majik crossover number according to either IQ & The Wealth Of Nations or The Global Bell Curve.

Blogger Escoffier March 28, 2016 10:20 AM  

VD wrote:Thirty IQ points? That just doesn't pass the smell test.

Initially no. My reaction was the same.

But if you compare an episode of American Idol to The Virginian, a bestseller from 1902, it becomes conceivable, if not necessarily credible. I would say it's not unreasonable to say one would need an IQ of around 115 to really enjoy reading that... and that's 30 points higher than the 85 I figured for American Idol.


I have to wonder how much the massively and purposefully dumbed down educational system plays into this? I have a feeling most of the people reading this blog are most likely in the higher IQ spectrum but for those in the more normal range will seem dumber if not rigorously educated.

I recall reading an excellent book about the Little Red School House once up in a time that suggested that the average American at the turn of the century received the functional equivalent of a Bachelors degree after six years or so of schooling which focused predominantly on drilling and basics. Though most would have had at least some Latin or Greek and multiplication up to (I think) 100 maybe?

Anywho, how much of this if purposeful and engineered is what I'm wondering?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 28, 2016 10:23 AM  

I suspect these things happen in waves. The overall IQ of the population has dropped, no question, but at the same time there is a lower limit. I suspect we are very close to that lower limit and either a collapse of the welfare state will occur or the smart people will take control and being a eugenics program to cull the stupid. Or both.

The middle ages featured people who were probably around the same level of IQ for a long time. This was because high-IQ people who wanted to excel in education had to either be of royal bloodline or join the priesthood. And the priesthood was by and large celibate, thus removing intelligent people from the gene pool. Likewise, the royalty was largely inbred by cousin relations which isn't terrible in one generation but multiple generations severely damage it.

Once protestants started allowing priests to have families, the general IQ of Western society probably began to rise to what it was 200 years ago.

Blogger pyrrhus March 28, 2016 10:23 AM  

@83 Yes, assertive mating can preserve the IQ of the top castes of a population pretty well, as Prof Greg Clark has chronicled.That has been the case in India... But without Malthusian forces at work, the buildup of deleterious genes in the population can't be stopped. The good news is that most countries can't feed themselves now--Malthus left the room for a smoking break, but he'll be right back....

Blogger Escoffier March 28, 2016 10:24 AM  

Steve wrote:I reckon - but can't prove - hyper-pessimism about IQ is mostly bollocks.

Yes, there are a lot more tards going around these days. But they're living kick-ass lives.

High-IQ people should worry less and shag more, if they want to pass on those clever genes.

What is unarguable is that the quality of public education in the West has catastrophically declined over the past 60 years.

If we want our kids to learn how to read good, and do other stuff good too, the teaching unions and lefty education bureacrats are going to have to be rounded up and fired into the sun.


My wife was 'tarded but she's a pilot now.

Blogger pyrrhus March 28, 2016 10:24 AM  

"assortive mating"

Blogger bob k. mando March 28, 2016 10:24 AM  

56. Athor Pel March 28, 2016 8:37 AM
Go find an American newspaper from the late 1700's or early 1800's and read some of it. See how far you get.



hell, simply read 'God is My Co-Pilot', pub 1943.

then, consider this; this book was published mid-war ... as a propaganda recruiting tool.

iow, the target audience was high school boys to mid-20s men.

Scott is constantly using words and constructions which *i* don't remember the meaning of. he makes off hand quotes and references of Shakespeare, sonnets, poetry and philosophy as though these things are common knowledge ( and indeed, they probably were back then ).

now Scott, as an officer, is clearly not your 'average' nose picking grunt. nevertheless, his casual expectation of cultural and liberal arts proficiency is rather surprising for a modern reader.

also remember that Scott grew up in Macon Georgia, the Deep South. hardly an area of the country which was respected for it's pedagogical accomplishments.

Blogger VD March 28, 2016 10:25 AM  

As usual, your analysis completely overlooks the fact that technology is advancing at an ever increasing rate.

It doesn't overlook it at all. It is the increase in technology that is creating the greater part of the problem.

I have to wonder how much the massively and purposefully dumbed down educational system plays into this?

Does no one read the comments? It doesn't play any significant part. A bigger problem is the encouragement of smart young women to go to college and grad school rather than get married and children.

You're insufficiently intelligent enough to even understand the analysis or the problem.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 28, 2016 10:32 AM  

Those letters really debunk the claim that them southerners were illitetate. On my office wall I have the Confederate Soldier's Prayer. It puts me to shame ... keeps me in my place.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab March 28, 2016 10:35 AM  

I'm not worried about bumping intelligence although I am worried about some of the methods that will be used. I worried that they will try to add genes for docility and obedience.

Humans are encouraged by society to be sheep anyway. Not shepherd dogs and certainly not wolves even though the wild dog is smarter than the domestic.

Blogger Escoffier March 28, 2016 10:36 AM  

tz wrote:@71 It is both, and. Reaction times can still be fast in someone never challenged to develop and use smarts.

Someone slower who is challenged can do better.

But the culture itself is the problem. Encouraging single motherhood and misandry devastates everyone.

I've been in Wyoming for a year, and the difference is apparent - even the check-out and counter people can understand a complex order without me repeating it and no looks of surprise when I give change that results in getting a single quarter back. I'd estimate the ordinary person's average IQ as 120+.

Theoretically the same people genetically in the big cities behind the counters (indebted, degreed baristas) should be at least equal, but often were still dumbed down.



Sailer is always banging on about how we always hear that "AMERICA IS GETTING DUMBER!!!" But the nearer you get to the Canadian border the more like Finns Americans become. It's a puzzler.

Blogger Cecil Henry March 28, 2016 10:39 AM  

Two good examples of the decline in reading ability:

My nephews (high school) find 'Sleepy Hollow' and Lovecraft (Cthulhu) to be 'very advanced' literature.

They say its 'too hard to read'. Classmates won't touch it.

These are classics of literature.

My nephews also note that none of the their classmates know anything of WW2 (except of course Hitler was bad) and do not recognize the Soviet Flag!!!

They all know about climate change and 'diversity' of course. (There was no Easter holiday this year but of course a 'spring celebration holiday instead-- even though its March still!!!)

Anonymous Satan's Hamster March 28, 2016 10:43 AM  

"I'm not worried about bumping intelligence although I am worried about some of the methods that will be used. I worried that they will try to add genes for docility and obedience."

I'm sure they will. But I strongly suspect the genes for intelligence also reduce docility and obedience. I can't really see how you can be an innovative thinker while also blindly obeying whatever orders you're given. Which is why the left have worked so hard to reduce intelligence in the West, and outright murdered the smart people when they gained control of a country, like Pol Pot.

Still, I can't see that happening in the short time we have left before the economy collapses and the big cities burn, and average IQ will jump significantly when that happens.

Anonymous kfg March 28, 2016 10:48 AM  

@25: "And television has always been geared to a very low IQ."

This may well be so, but compare John Daly, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf, Dorothy Kilgallen and Steve Allen with Ryan Seacrest, Paula Abdul, Simon Cowell and Mariah Carey.

Anonymous northernhamlet March 28, 2016 10:55 AM  

Adult coloring books are not a joke. They're real, and people actually can be seen in public coloring them.

Idiocracy, indeed.

Anonymous fp March 28, 2016 10:57 AM  

Those letters really debunk the claim that them southerners were illitetate.

The 1860 census is readily available and shows that illiteracy for white males in the south was around double the national average.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli March 28, 2016 11:02 AM  

I vote eugenics program. That way, we can throw in perky boobs and long legs as a bonus.

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Anonymous RedJack March 28, 2016 11:04 AM  

My grandfather had a eighth grade education and could do his taxes on a multi million dollar farm without the use of a calculator. He got audited twice, and the auditor couldn't find a single error. He was uneducated, but not stupid. He also had a grasp of the boom/bust cycle that would have saved my cousin from a lot of pain (he now has the farm, or will till the creditors get it).

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 11:11 AM  

Literacy sounds wonderful as long as you don't look to closely at these amazing results. How many of these literati are functionally illiterate and spell like a twitter tweet? How great is an increase in litareacy when a hundred years ago the 10% that could read were reading Aristotle in the Original Greek and Caesar in Latin and Today the 90% who can read are reading Dinosaur Porn and Fifty Shades of Grey the cheap Twilight girly rip off of The Story of O?
There are lie, damned lies and statistics, son.

Blogger Austin Ballast March 28, 2016 11:14 AM  

I don't see any discussion of the role of Christianity in the intelligence level. Many of the leading scientists and such of the past have had a deep Christian faith. The belief in a Creator guided much of their lives.

I would certainly have to do a lot more to know the exact input, but ignoring this is leaving out a huge obvious shift. Reminds me of the Biblical admonition "believing themselves wise, they became as fools."

Should we be surprised we have more fools? (Sometimes this is even in churches that claim to be following wisdom, but end up following worldly "science" because it is "so much more intelligent" when that is far from the truth.

Anonymous Cassie March 28, 2016 11:15 AM  

Cecil Henry wrote:(There was no Easter holiday this year but of course a 'spring celebration holiday instead-- even though its March still!!!)

March 20th was the vernal equinox, and in the vicinity of the nation's capital the spring-blooming flowers are in full swing. What else are the godless heathens running the state schools going to call it?

Blogger White Devil March 28, 2016 11:19 AM  

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Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner March 28, 2016 11:23 AM  

Note that none of the "careers" such a degree purportedly prepares you for involves producing a product or service desired by normal people.

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 11:35 AM  

And yet, on the oven techno-class websites I spend time on there is near universal acceptance that the Flynn Effect is real, and that we are much smarter than our ancestors. Maybe it's a dynamic civilizational presentation of the Dunning–Kruger effect? Nietzschean last men? "We have discovered we are good into smart even" say the last men, and blink?

I think Vox's and Nate's argument-from-letters is a good one: I recently ordered some of Joseph Sobran's work, based on the claim that he was "the Chesterton of our time." While the writing is good, it isn't even close to Chesterton. Unfortunately, online, argument-from-letters doesn't seem to be an effective technique, either rhetorical or dialectical. Maybe I just haven't found the right seam to work with.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 28, 2016 11:38 AM  

One factor I've not seen mentioned here is that the virus of equality was introduced into Western society just a little less than 250 years ago. Coincides fairly handily with the IQ drop, no? Moreover, not only were arranged marriages were more common before the drop, but women were far more influenced in their choice of mates by family and church than by the Jewish homosexuals who've been dictating 'fashion' to them for the past 100 years or so. 200 years ago, the notion of 'teenage rebellion' didn't really exist. Those who rebelled were put out and either learned fast to survive or died young. As with medical advances and dietary improvements, the above should be considered as factors, rather than sole causes. All have surely played a role. The tricky part is the weighting of the various factors.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 28, 2016 11:42 AM  

there appears to be no way to reverse the course of the intellectual decline short of either a) a cataclysmic collapse and rebuilding of Western society or b) totalitarian scientific eugenicism on steroids.
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I pray most days for wisdom and understanding. Try it sometime, it really works.

Blogger Tom K. March 28, 2016 11:43 AM  

"Dunning-Kruger Effect"?

Anonymous VFM #7916 March 28, 2016 11:49 AM  

@66

I had similar conversations with my parents over Easter. I found it amusing that my mom, a Bernie fan, who always had a "Help the poor with more free shit" position, was completely in favor of a Malthusian solution for the overpopulating Africans, Islamists, Indians, and Chinese. I told her to remember that nature has a way of sorting these things out. I also said "the world needs more white people", another little gem that did not encounter any disagreement.

I'm also living that last one, by the way, at 4+ children. For anyone reading this, if you ain't doing the same, then you're part of the problem.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 11:50 AM  

People still claim to have read Atlas Shrugged. Neither Melville nor Tolstoy could be less accessible.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 11:50 AM  

God helps those that help themselves. You are not faced with impossible odds. Do you need a Superman to rescue you from political whores like Bush and Clinton? Are you even men?
Collapse at this point is inevitable. The Math makes it a certainty. Its impossible to repay debt with debt. IMPOSSIBLE.

Blogger Tom K. March 28, 2016 11:51 AM  

I see no evidence for your claim. Perhaps you are deceived?

Blogger Justin Irving March 28, 2016 11:52 AM  

Yes, just no way it's been 30 points. James Thompson has data showing it's more like 2 or 4 points in the white population. If white IQ were falling so hard you'd expect Poland and Finland to have higher IQs, as they've been exposed to industrial civilization a shorter period of time, but had a similar medieval experience as most other euros.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 11:52 AM  

Centering entertainment at a mean near 85 IQ is simply the latest effort in Affirmative Action.

Blogger Tom K. March 28, 2016 11:52 AM  

I see no evidence for your claim. Perhaps you are deceived?

Blogger Tom K. March 28, 2016 11:53 AM  

"Dunning-Kruger Effect"?

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner March 28, 2016 11:53 AM  

Every adult should have read Moby Dick. You haven't lived much of a life if the "ponderous planets of unwaning woe" passage from The Grand Armada chapter doesn't resonate with you.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

Anonymous tublecane March 28, 2016 11:54 AM  

You can't go by American Idol, as network tv has left smart people to fend for themselves on cable and the internet. There are actually good, intelligent tv shows being made, albeit most of them morally compromised. But you gotta take what you can get.

Certainly tv is better than music, movies, and novels, which, as you indicate, have abandoned the middlebrow. Everything's either for children and morons on one side, or highbrow degenerates on the other. Regular, intelligent adults are stuck with works from previous centuries.

I've accidentally discovered quite a few that the literary gatekeepers forgot to tell me about. James Gould Cozzens, for instance, John O'Hara, James P. Marquand. And these aren't obscure authors; these authors Pulitzers and had their books adapted into movies. They aren't big names, like Dickens or Dostoyevsky, or even (because I'm a Minnesotan) Fitzgerald or Lewis. The industry was churning out volumes for adults with actual minds by authors of various calibers back when.

Now the you can't find the middlebrow anywhere but in genre fiction, which is ironic because those are supposed to be for limited audiences. You rail against SJW control of sci-fi and fantasy, but it's so much worse in highbrow literature, for instance. At least time travel and slasher books, for instance, are trying to make a profit. Books supposedly written genrelessly, that is with no special audience in mind, are inevitably of narrow appeal these days.

Anonymous Steve March 28, 2016 12:00 PM  

Vox - They're not helping, to be sure. But they are not the core problem.

As I understand it, the Charlton argument is that reduced child mortality has polluted the gene pool, leading to lower general intelligence and even more serious impairments of our fitness to reproduce.

I've no idea if this is true. Assuming it is true, I'd hope that some sort of gene therapy might fix it. Because, short of a civilisation-ending global catastrophe, child mortality isn't going back to 18th century levels.

The underlying assumption doesn't seem to be proven yet though. And I am unconvinced by his arguments like this:

Mutation accumulation would also be likely to lead to the lack of common sense, the lack of basic self-preservation, the lack of what would be expected as normal and adaptive social behaviours that are so striking a feature of the West.

And, even more significantly, the lack of any concern about this lack of common sense - damage to social mechanisms has been so profound that the Western population has lost the ability to notice or feel that there is damage - that our situation is pathological.

Indeed, the obvious pathology resulting from damaged instincts is vehemently denied - and to point it out is punished. This is exactly what would be expected when the lunatics have taken-over the asylum, when disease is endemic. Disease is the new health.


Because while it's true that sociosexual pathologies bedevil the West, it's a leap to assume these spontaneously arose from damaged DNA.

In fact, all the destructive social poisons of the 20th century onwards were pushed by the high IQ elites, not the lumpenproletariat.

The average white man still isn't a cuck or a male feminist or a tranny - far from it. That's why they had to bring in hate crime laws and other sanctions to shut people up. That's why it took generations of the cultural and political authorities deliberately stamping down on Western traditions and mores to bring us to this pass.

Anonymous tublecane March 28, 2016 12:04 PM  

@11-"as a current college student"

I went not too long ago, to an undistinguished public university. They had us peer edit eachother's papers occasionally, and I could have sworn many of then were written by non-native speakers in the early stages of learning English, if I didn't know better. They were barely literate. "Fun With Dick and Jane" would've been a step up.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 12:05 PM  

Automation promises to amplify the movement toward a bimodal economy of very high IQ plus high work interest at the top and everyone else either sitting on their asses watching Moperah, fixing the plumbing or doing one of the few remaining in-person jobs (for relative peanuts.)

Assortive mating; either you got it or you don't. The future belongs to the increasingly rare, high IQ, highly productive men who can discern quality women and avoid like the clap the flashy, trashy harlots in the shallow end of the gene pool.

Otherwise outstanding people who can't tell the wheat from the chaff (among potential mates) will be relentlessly selected out as well.

Teach your children well.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 12:09 PM  

My wife, the 4th grade school teacher, claims she has seen an obvious decline in the average intelligence of her students in just the last 13 years.

Of course this could easily be a case of sample bias; her school has experienced an influx of Spanish-speaking and black students.

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 12:11 PM  

The problem with reality shows is reality, like the survivor, men vs women. The women starve, and the men are fine if not comfortable after a week.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 12:13 PM  

Steve how's the weather on Crazy World? Is it getting hotter? Here its damn cold because of Global Warming. Those experts are always wrong but it'll be different this time right?
Child mortality is rising. Even with modern medicine brown people treat their kids worse than farm animals. You'd go to prison for treating a dog the way they treat their kids.
Mass extinction is a distinct possibility. 8.2 Billion is an impossibly high population for a planet where two thirds live in poverty. This is only possible due to giant agribusinesses that create so much food a lot gets thrown away untouched. All this will magically disappear with White people. Zimbabwe has proven conclusively that Africa is not a hellhole due to climate or arable land but due to black stupidity. White people made Rhodesia into the bread basket of Africa that had enough food to export. Five years after Mugabe and General Butt Naked and they cannot feed themselves. Of course they blame wacism cause their might be a couple dozen White farmers still living there.
White Supremacy is Western Civilization. No White people, no electricity, no modern medicine, no technology, and a lifespan about thirty if you're lucky.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 12:14 PM  

While an employee of Johnson & Johnson I encountered emails from managers whose familiarity with English grammar appeared as that of grade schoolers.

Attention to such detail is lacking among those who never read.

Anonymous Wooly Phlox March 28, 2016 12:16 PM  

If nobody's linked this yet, here:

Morning, all.

This article should go viral, IMO. I hope it becomes a post here, at CTH, at AoSHQ, full text.

Oleg Atbashian (People’s Cube, and ex-Soviet citizen, and creator of the banner for The Last Refuge), today at American Thinker.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/some_of_my_best_friends_are_trump_supporters.html

Oleg Atbashian, ex-Soviet citizen and propaganda artist for the Glorious State, operator of The People's Cube, awaiting (still) U.S. citizenship (because he's not Diverse). Best essay I've read in weeks.

Blogger RobertT March 28, 2016 12:17 PM  

"This does not represent g-driven intelligence, but a multitude of specialized, task-specific intelligences. "

This explains a common phenomena I have noticed that highly educated individuals from the best schools have a much higher reputation than they deserve. Once upon a time I hired a woman from an outstanding university and a background in significant positions well know investment banks, the U.S. Congress, yadda, yadda, yadda. I kept her for eight months during which she billed exactly $-0-. When I let her go she told me, "I can't believe you used me in a production capacity." Baby, that's all there is. Since then I hired another person who was tax manager with one of the largest insurance companies, and he's been great. But I don't even know where he went to college. Probably no ivy league.

Anonymous Wooly Phlox March 28, 2016 12:19 PM  

FTA:

"The strongest fire from all media portholes and loopholes is directed at the Republican frontrunner, Donald Trump, and his supporters. They are being described as uneducated, angry, vengeful, racist, xenophobic, and plain stupid. Authors of these assumptions, mostly writing from within the Boston-New York-Washington corridor, admit that they don’t even know anyone who likes Trump. But how can they write about what they don’t know? When the electoral map is fluid, when things are happening rapidly in real time, and when no reliable historical data exists, we rely on personal experiences and anecdotal evidence. In the absence of such, the writers simply fill the gaps in their knowledge with their own prejudices, similar to how medieval mapmakers marked unexplored areas with “here be dragons.”

"There’s a big probability that Trump supporters are, in fact, all around them, even in their own families — and the reason why these writers don’t know it, is their own snobbery. No one likes to be called stupid, his IQ questioned, or presumed to be an unthinking herd animal, and many simply don’t have the time to stop and explain their reasons whenever a #Nevertrump activist feels like trashing Trump voters. Many simply choose to remain silent."


Very long essay for AT, and very good. Many great comparisons with the USSR.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 28, 2016 12:19 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Automation promises to amplify the movement toward a bimodal economy of very high IQ plus high work interest at the top and everyone else either sitting on their asses watching Moperah, fixing the plumbing...

NO! Plumbing is too valuable an asset to leave to idiots. Not even the French are capable plumbers. Have you never left civilization?

Anonymous Steve March 28, 2016 12:19 PM  

Steve how's the weather on Crazy World?

Cloudy, with a chance of SSRI's.

Anonymous Nxx March 28, 2016 12:21 PM  

A review of the world literature on brain size and IQ by Rushton [Rushton, J. P. (1995). Race, evolution, and behavior: a life history perspective. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction] found that African-descended people (Blacks) average cranial capacities of 1267 cm3, European-descended people (Whites) 1347 cm3, and East Asian-descended people (East Asians) 1364 cm3. These brain size differences, containing millions of brain cells and hundreds of millions of synapses, were hypothesized to underlie the race differences on IQ tests, in which Blacks average an IQ of 85, Whites 100, and East Asians 106.

Brain size, IQ, and racial-group differences:
Evidence from musculoskeletal traits


Question: If IQ has declined 2 SD, has there been a corresponding reduction in brain size? If so, wouldn't that make the phenomenon relatively easy to prove and measure?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 12:21 PM  

@ Gen Kong, the virus of equality has been around a lot longer than that. I concur with the view that Martin Luther gave that snowball a mighty shove, and that the English Levelers, followed by the Puritans, then the Post-millennial Christian Pietists (the ancestors of the Progressives) all contibuted.

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 12:22 PM  

I think it goes to r-selection v.s. K-selection. There were posts here and Molyneux has a fairly comprehensive set of videos on the subject.
The problem is in society the r-'s abundance is created by the K-'s surplus.
I don't see AI or robots as the same threat, or at least if you pause to think of the logistics and virtual supply lines, you'd be scared.
Grocery and other stores today lack windows and skylights, so no power, no shopping. Everything is online, so if you can't reach your bank's server, it is a bank holiday for you. When those magic cards stop working... Even that requires credit - the 2008 crisis was because MZM wasn't around, you couldn't get an overnight loan or have a check accepted.
The whole infrastructure is both fragile and brittle - the Midwest Power Outage has been forgotten. And we want more tech?
Terrorists, Natural Disasters, we ain't seen nuthin' yet.

Anonymous Athor Pel March 28, 2016 12:23 PM  

" 107. Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 11:11 AM
...
How great is an increase in litareacy when a hundred years ago the 10% that could read ..."



A hundred years ago was 1916, which is well into the twentieth century, decades into compulsory public schools. And you're saying literacy was 10%? Really?

Hyperbole is nice and all but using it in this manner just makes you sound like an idiot.



"103. Anonymous fp March 28, 2016 10:57 AM
...
The 1860 census is readily available and shows that illiteracy for white males in the south was around double the national average."



Funny you didn't mention the actual literacy rates, which we can extrapolate from what I quoted in my last comment in this thread.

If pre-1850 Massachusetts had a literacy rate of 98% then that means to double the illiteracy rate we would have a literacy rate of 94% in the south of 1860, assuming compulsory public schools hadn't gotten to the south by 1860.

And both groups are still more literate than post-1880 Massachusetts at 91%,

If anyone is wondering what the literacy rate for the US is now I found a study from 2002,. It goes to great trouble to avoid giving certain hard numbers, like what percentage of the population is functionally illiterate. The closest I got was a table in the back of the report breaking out percentages of survey completion and giving two main categories for non-completion, literacy related reasons and non-literacy related reasons like getting sick or time constraints.

Bottom line, literacy in the whole of the USA in 2002 is somewhere between 93.6 and 88 percent.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 28, 2016 12:25 PM  

Rusty Fife wrote:dc.sunsets wrote:Automation promises to amplify the movement toward a bimodal economy of very high IQ plus high work interest at the top and everyone else either sitting on their asses watching Moperah, fixing the plumbing...

NO! Plumbing is too valuable an asset to leave to idiots. Not even the French are capable plumbers. Have you never left civilization?


Upon further reflection, poor plumbing is a mark against Catholicism* as a whole; not just France. It should be used as evidence of the Truth of Protestantism that only those countries have functional facilities.

*triggering Mr. John C Wright

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 12:26 PM  

@ white devil, stupid, high time preference people are more easy to manipulate via scientific advertising & marketing.

Our shop til you drop, all consumption all the time culture elevates decadence, frivolity and self-destructive actions to a pinnacle of existence.

Few realize how much we drown in manipulation.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 28, 2016 12:30 PM  

Because black men are more willing to "mate down".

The driver is not the difference in attractiveness between black men and white men, it's the difference in attractiveness between black men and black women. The average black woman is at the absolute bottom of the female SMV scale. A fat, ugly, lazy white woman few white men would want anything to do with is a better option to a black man than the fatter, uglier and more lazy black woman he could pull.

Similar with asians. Asian men are on balance less attractive than asian women, so asian women are more inclined to find a white Delta an improvement over the asian Delta she'd otherwise have to settle for.

Also, I'm skeptical of the 105 IQ claims.

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 12:30 PM  

@TomK if you are talking to me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Stupid people think they are smart because they aren't smart enough to realize how stupid they are. (It really can't apply here: we have plenty of smart people lying around to tell us we are getting more stupid, but most of our smart people tell us the opposite. Therefore, either they are lying, have been deceived, have bad data or are engaged in self-deception. I was making a joke.)

I see no evidence for your claim. Perhaps you are deceived?

Again, assuming you are speaking to me, you can check out the Wikipedia entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

for a starting point. I have dug into a few academic criticism, but most of them are methodological and/or pseudo-criticisms: "Of course it's true but..." Academic papers or our lyin' eyes, I get it. But still.

I have to admit, with my job, kids and shit posting career getting in the way, it's hard for me to stay focused on the issue.

Anonymous Instasetting March 28, 2016 12:31 PM  

Genetic entropy makes eugenics worthless so I've heard. When you personally pass on to your children 300 brand new mutations, there is not much of a way to correct things by breeding. Its like stopping a tide with a teaspoon.

70 generations from now, things staying the same, the Human Race will have spent half its current genomic wealth. This does not just refer to IQ, but physical problems (glasses, back aches, etc.), and mental problems (Asperger's, Melancholy, Uncontrolled Fury, etc.)

Blogger Josh March 28, 2016 12:33 PM  

This thread is an excellent demonstration of the decline in intelligence

Blogger RobertT March 28, 2016 12:36 PM  

"I certainly hope they're wrong, because it's enough to make even a hard-core atheist science-fetishist want to say: "Come, Lord Jesus, and soon!"

There are other possibilities for the cause, but not the conclusion. Progressivism, described as the progressive virus by Napoleon, appears to have a similar impact. The time line is not dissimilar. Apparently originated around the time of Descartes & firmly hammered in place by Camus.

30 points in 200 years is massive. But it explains why books written 200+ years ago were written for a much higher level of intelligence than is readily available today. Much of the crap written today is written at subhuman level.

Blogger RobertT March 28, 2016 12:37 PM  

"I certainly hope they're wrong, because it's enough to make even a hard-core atheist science-fetishist want to say: "Come, Lord Jesus, and soon!"

There are other possibilities for the cause, but not the conclusion. Progressivism, described as the progressive virus by Napoleon, appears to have a similar impact. The time line is not dissimilar. Apparently originated around the time of Descartes & firmly hammered in place by Camus.

30 points in 200 years is massive. But it explains why books written 200+ years ago were written for a much higher level of intelligence than is readily available today. Much of the crap written today is written at subhuman level.

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 12:37 PM  

@133 @135 - the essay is a must read. I'm surprised that "Brendan" used my like v.s. expect to get through and many others. He gets it. We aren't angry or desperate, we just know the entrenched system is incapable of change, it must be blown up.

Anonymous Steve March 28, 2016 12:37 PM  

This thread is an excellent demonstration of the decline in intelligence

U WOT, M8?

Blogger tz March 28, 2016 12:40 PM  

Cruz v. Trump is the scientist v. engineer, the mathematician v. software hacker. The former can discuss, the latter has accomplished.

Anonymous tublecane March 28, 2016 12:40 PM  

@36-"black men are more willing to 'mate down'"

Most all interracial couples I encounter on the street are black men with fat, usually low class white women. I see white men, attractive or not, with asian and latina women. I almost never see them with black women, attractive or not.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 12:41 PM  

@ VD, smart parents of smart girls have no choice but to inculcate a full paradigm (contrary to the dominant Narrative) in their daughters. They need to see themselves as integral parts of the larger family, see that the social milieu is a toxic trap intended to make of them miserable slaves, and that Happiness Path is paved by prioritizing children, family and bringing the very best of themselves to the mating game. Beauty, a sweet nature, a full set of domestic skills, excellence in conversation & listening and chastity, not a career, are what lead to Happiness.

Given girls' higher affinity for fashion (herd behavior) parents have their work cut out for them.

I do wonder if my granddaughters, offspring of parents with IQs above 135, will prove easier to so teach, or if they will be more resistant to such wisdom.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 28, 2016 12:43 PM  

OT: https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2016/03/26/gone-to-texas/?singlepage=true

Damn carpet-baggers.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 28, 2016 12:48 PM  

@ Rusty, I erred in my order of list. The trades are much like a medical education, a good place for relatively bright people to do well. I agree with you.

Even there, however, only the best need apply. There simply won't be enough demand to employ the mediocre.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 12:50 PM  

Steve how's the weather on Crazy World? Is it getting hotter? Here its damn cold because of Global Warming. Those experts are always wrong but it'll be different this time right?
Child mortality is rising. Even with modern medicine brown people treat their kids worse than farm animals. You'd go to prison for treating a dog the way they treat their kids.
Mass extinction is a distinct possibility. 8.2 Billion is an impossibly high population for a planet where two thirds live in poverty. This is only possible due to giant agribusinesses that create so much food a lot gets thrown away untouched. All this will magically disappear with White people. Zimbabwe has proven conclusively that Africa is not a hellhole due to climate or arable land but due to black stupidity. White people made Rhodesia into the bread basket of Africa that had enough food to export. Five years after Mugabe and General Butt Naked and they cannot feed themselves. Of course they blame wacism cause their might be a couple dozen White farmers still living there.
White Supremacy is Western Civilization. No White people, no electricity, no modern medicine, no technology, and a lifespan about thirty if you're lucky.

Anonymous Wooly Phlox March 28, 2016 12:50 PM  

@150

" I'm surprised that "Brendan" used my like v.s. expect to get through and many others."

My IQ isn't high enough to under'tand this sentence. No offence.

Anonymous kfg March 28, 2016 12:56 PM  

"You haven't lived much of a life if the "ponderous planets of unwaning woe" passage from The Grand Armada chapter doesn't resonate with you."

It's The Try-Works for me, but I may be biased. My father's family was from the Catskills.

And as for The Last of the Mohicans, I stomp the Adirondacks and have stood in the cave behind the waterfall and fished for landlocks in the shadow of the reconstruction of Fort William Henry. Again, a possible source of bias.

Regarding the accessibility of Tolstoy (I found Melville at home), as a child I found that the Illuminati had collected them in a secret cache, which they called "The Public Library."

Yeah, I know what you meant, but the point is that after accessing it, I read it until I could access it, because I wanted to.

Anonymous kfg March 28, 2016 12:58 PM  

Addendum:

Another source of possible bias is that my mother grew up in the shadow of the Charles W. Morgan. I have a ships lantern that used to hang on it (not original equipment) just across the room from me.

Although Melville spent some time denigrating the boys of New Bedford in favor of those from Nantucket.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 1:00 PM  

Look you can tell people are getting dumber just by seeing the explosion in credentials. Nowadays they ask for master's degrees for some high entry level positions. This would seem crazy thirty years ago. Education has become a replacement for competence. Some people use their diplomas like a shield against criticism, as if mentioning a degree is some sort of magical spell to dispel doubt or something.
Yeah your cardboard diploma sounds impressive, but its not a rebuke or even a counter argument. These credentials are masking a massive collapse in intellectual capacity and a huge drop in general competence.

Anonymous fp March 28, 2016 1:00 PM  

I recently attended a college open house.

Fyi, Hip Hop and Religion is an actual honors course that requires a 4.0 GPA and a 30 on the ACT to attend.

A minor in social justice is available.

Also fyi, the "Safe Space Program" is not about reducing risk in space exploration.

Anonymous kfg March 28, 2016 1:02 PM  

" . . . the "Safe Space Program" is not about reducing risk in space exploration."

John Carter lives!

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 1:08 PM  

This thread is an excellent demonstration of the decline in intelligence

Welcome to Internet. I love you.

Blogger Josh March 28, 2016 1:22 PM  


Welcome to Internet. I love you.


You went to law school here?

Blogger Josh March 28, 2016 1:22 PM  


Welcome to Internet. I love you.


You went to law school here?

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 1:30 PM  

You went to law school here?

Nah, I got my smart other places, but my law degree from costco, even into.

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 1:37 PM  

FUCK ME. HOW DO I EVEN INTO MISS JOSH REFRENCE?

OpenID aew51183 March 28, 2016 1:43 PM  

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Is the actual study linked? I've been digging around but am admittedly not fully awake.

They're measuring 'g' by reaction times?
How strong is this purported correlation?
Did they go back in time with their 1.21 gigawatts to test reaction times hundreds of years ago?
Today we're separated from the physical processes which used to make up most people's daily lives by multiple abstraction layers, with the minimum being mechanical assistive devices and it being normal to contract out any hard labor. This could have tremendous impact on selection for reaction time.

Apart from that, the exponential acceleration of our technology over the same period acts as a counter-point to this assertion.

I'm always very skeptical of claims like this because the literature up until about the 1920's and most detailed recordings leaned very heavily toward the sentiments and lives of a tiny, upper echelon of society, while the rest worked, covered in soot, to keep the machinations of the economy running.

Unfortunately, we have no time machines to return to that period and confirm the accuracy of samples.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 28, 2016 1:49 PM  

I agree with everything Charlton has said here, including extreme pessimism, minus a quibble about the educability of sexual instincts.

Take that for what it's worth to you.

Anonymous BGKB March 28, 2016 2:03 PM  

We have really pushed back the clock on how early a preemie baby can be born in the last 20 years but hardly any difference in how early they can be born without consequences. One of the questions about ZIKA not having tiny headed babies before is if they simply didn't survive to birth in Africa because of low level care or if there is a genetic racial difference as seen in H_N_ & smallpox? An illegal alien squatting out a preemie with no prenatal care 50 years ago wouldn't likely have an anchor baby that left the hospital alive, now they leave the hospital costing taxpayers $250K+.

black men married to women outside of their race than Asian men? The cohabitation rates are even starker?

If you think the white women married to non millionaire blacks are ugly, the white guys with black women I have seen are real bottom of the barrel.

Life in the 1800s and earlier was effectively a non-stop IQ test.

Before the welfare state life was an IQ tests.

I believe that the worst sort of stupidity is that which results from moral depravity.

There is a min. IQ required to have abstract thoughts. One of the reasons why people can't believe IQ is actuate is they donn't understand African blacks with an avg IQ of 70 are like 11yo children in adult's bodies

116 overpopulating Africans, Islamists, Indians, and Chinese. I told her to remember that nature has a way of sorting these things out

Mother nature kept Africa in check with Malaria until whitey brought quinine, then AIDS. If we come up with meds to manage Ebola just think of what she will have to come up with next.

problem with reality shows is reality, like the survivor, men vs women. The women starve, and the men are fine...after a week

They only tried it twice on US survivor but stopped before the trainwreck. The dutch version of survivor let the train wreck. This link is probably better than the youtube one I searched for. http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchy

Blogger Leandro Novaes March 28, 2016 2:19 PM  

1) Because black women are also the bottom of the barrel, even for black men.

2) As a Brazilian, I assure that you are incorrect. Most of the Brazilian population does live in the brink of starvation. However, our country is an agricultural powerhouse and a lot of those people life of the land. Still, it's hard to tell how much of this is due to low IQ and how much is by political design.

Blogger Leandro Novaes March 28, 2016 2:21 PM  

The train is fine.

Anonymous kfg March 28, 2016 2:27 PM  

@172: " . . . how much is by political design."

"All who have served the Revolution have plowed the sea."

Blogger LBD March 28, 2016 2:50 PM  

@16 Luciussomesuch:
And I admit: I hate "The Last of the Mohicans". I might someday try "The Deerslayer" to give him a second chance, but Cooper seems one of those writers whose plaudits from the likes of Balzac were due to the novelty of American bumptiousness-

One of the funniest essays Mark Twain ever wrote was his critique of Fennimore Cooper's novels "The Last of the Mohicans" and "The Deerslayer". Comedy Gold, and well considered.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 28, 2016 3:03 PM  

Two Standard Deviations? I don't think so.

Some decline simply do to demographic shifts (more Mestizos, Indios and Blacks) bad breeding and some do to lack of early childhood brain stimulation is highly likely though.

We also have no way to measure the IQ of regular folks in the past, say a farmer circa 1870 or a factory worker of the 20's so how much decline has been seen is unknowable.

Some I suspect though, as an example the cheap pulps of the 30's were quite literate compared to much of today's low end entertainment and during their heyday enough sold that well known authors like Robert Howard made a good living writing for them. He was in fact the richest man in Cross Plains Texas and oil workers were decently paid IIRC

I would say though that a lot of sudden lack of "innovation" is more us getting at all the low hanging fruit. Our society is brittle and failing and that combined with the natural rate of diminishing returns on science and invention means that we aren't making the levels of innovation we used to.

We don't need it in any case, we need to protect our borders and gently let the population decline. Ideally we'd include a soft eugenic aspect as well, pat the worst to not have kids and pay the best if they do have them.

The only reason we push more population is the need of industry for more customers and the inability of our economic systems to scale down anyway.

We need to understand that we can in fact get by with a steady state economy so long as we are fairly homogeneous and stop policing the planet. Easier said than done though, the people that run things can't stop and as usually happens will run things into the ground.

As Upton Sinclair said (paraphrased here) "You can't teach a man something his job requires him not to know."

Blogger Noah B March 28, 2016 3:05 PM  

Though psychology is largely bunk, some of it does ring true. There's a theory known as "learned helplessness" that may explain much of the apparent decline in intelligence. Think of all of the instances in which intelligence and creativity are punished, while mindless conformity is rewarded -- all largely thanks to bloated, overreaching government. We're essentially living in the movie version of the Vogon home world.

Blogger Noah B March 28, 2016 3:12 PM  

Also, the assumption that people today are better nourished than they were ~200 years ago isn't necessarily a good one. Given the choice between a diet of a self-sufficient farmer 200 years ago or the diet of the average Wal-Mart shopper today, I would certainly choose the farmer's diet.

Anonymous BGKB March 28, 2016 3:13 PM  

I would say though that a lot of sudden lack of "innovation" is more us getting at all the low hanging fruit

Low hanging fruit includes the moon, when we can no longer put people into orbit. I heard an RN say that Herxheimer reactions don't exist when talking about why the Tuskegee late stage syphilis patients didn't get PCN. They still exist but are only seen nowadays with undiagnosed Lyme disease or undiagnosed syphilis when people get strong antibiotics for something else, its also more survivable because every hospital has dialysis machines now. Herxheimer reactions are the reason antibiotics are given over 10+ days instead of a single megadose as PCN was given at the time.

Blogger CarpeOro March 28, 2016 3:15 PM  

kfg wrote:" . . . the "Safe Space Program" is not about reducing risk in space exploration."

John Carter lives!


Yeah, and he is peeved at Disney for that horrible movie adaptation. Talk about PC edited drivel.

Blogger LBD March 28, 2016 3:18 PM  

@117 DC Sunsets:
People still claim to have read Atlas Shrugged. Neither Melville nor Tolstoy could be less accessible.

Not inaccessible, just very long.

Blogger Leandro Novaes March 28, 2016 3:20 PM  

That's not true. We produce food for everyone just fine. In fact, statistics says that 40% of our food supply spoils untouched.

We just don't produce enough food to feed the entire world on an overfed American standard.

World hunger is more about logistics and costs than about production.

Anonymous Baseball Savant March 28, 2016 3:32 PM  

VD,

I'm confused. IR porn has taught me that all women have black africans as their #1 priority when it comes to mating.

Anonymous BGKB March 28, 2016 3:36 PM  

That's not true. We produce food for everyone just fine. In fact, statistics says that 40% of our food supply spoils untouched.

The US used to have enough grain reserves for 1/2 a loaf of bread for everyone in the US, but not anymore. Just In Time deliveries means that there is very little excess in the back of grocery stores. If there was any widespread disruption, TWERPS (Those With Empty Reserve Pantries) would be in trouble. A solar storm as strong as the Carrington Event would kill off 80-90% of the US, and worse in everyone that relies on the US for food. Also the food produced in the US is not the best for taste/nutrition but the best for long term storage/mass shipping.

World hunger is more about logistics and costs than about production.

Warren Buffet's son gave up after wasting millions failing to teach sub Saharan blacks farming tech used by the ancient romans. South Africa and Rhodesia where breadbaskets when whites lived there, once they went down Libya had the highest Human Development Index on the continent. Sending food and medical aid to Africa was the worst thing that could have happened to it.

Anonymous kfg March 28, 2016 3:52 PM  

"Though psychology is largely bunk . . ."

So long as it sticks to science it's just fine. Where it devolves into scientism and at the fringes is indistinguishable from Sociology it's basically all bunk.

Anonymous RedJack March 28, 2016 3:59 PM  

@176 We no longer have the technical capability to reliably send people to orbit. The US uses Russian rockets.

Anonymous kfg March 28, 2016 4:01 PM  

"We no longer have the technical capability to reliably send people to orbit."

We need another German war.

Blogger Leandro Novaes March 28, 2016 4:05 PM  

@184

Nothing you said counters anything I said. That the US no longer has grain reserves does not mean that the food production worldwide has decreased. It merely means that US no longer has grain reserves. The food production has essentially shifted to agricultural countries like Brazil. It's cheaper to import food. Soil is not the same everywhere. While I am sure there is plenty of fertile soil on US, I am also sure that they would rather plant soy or corn (for fuel production), or likewise the more profitable grains than bother with bananas.

That Africans cannot feed themselves is not a problem for the rest of the world. Again, it is a matter of logistics and costs. As you said yourself, South Africa and Rhodesia where breadbaskets when whites lived there. They could be once more. The soil is there, the potential is there. It is untapped. So, by your own words, we could be producing even more food than we do now if we used Africa to its capabilities.

I see absolutely no reason to subscribe to the Malthusian ideas of "we can't feed ourselves anymore." This is getting old, actually. How long have the doomsayers been saying that already? Two centuries?

Anonymous RedJack March 28, 2016 4:05 PM  

There are not enough Germans over there left to do it either.

Anonymous tublecane March 28, 2016 4:06 PM  

@181-I can't speak of Tolstoy because I can't read Russian. Rand is far easier to read than Melville, even accounting for changes in language and novel-writing conventions. She is prohibitively long winded, though it's as easy to skip her philosophizing as it is to skip Melville on the history of the whaling industry. Take a short Rand book, like "Anthem," to a short Melville one, like "Bartelby, the Scrivener," and there's no doubt in my mind the average contemporary reader will find her a comparative breeze. The sex scenes alone!

I despise "Moby Dick," by the way, and had better luck with "Pierre."

Blogger ray March 28, 2016 4:07 PM  

Some years back I saw a few minutes of American Idol. A fat white woman was on-stage, attempting to sing, and sounding fairly horrible. The women and cucks staring at the teevee didn't see anything whatsoever amiss. Enraptured. I left the room ASAP.

The purpose of modern American 'art' and culture isn't to identify and reward excellence, but to identify and reward mediocrity (or worse) within select identity groups. The people watching American Idol didn't WANT to be elevated, or educated, or encouraged to reach higher, by witnessing good/great art. They wanted to be confirmed in their own inferiority and mediocrity, to be told they were Already Wonderful, by making celebrities of average persons who reminded them of . . . themselves. Yee. Ikes.

When I was young, in order for your song to receive radio air-play, it had to be really good or really different. Now quality is moot, and the Coop's Corporations sell us Beyoncé or Adele or Gaga or some other pretentious, talent-free fake. It's far more important to rub The Man's face in it, than to advance oneself or one's culture through merit of art. Guess it's the white-people's answer to (c)rap music.

America is like some vast bloated sow, who keeps hugging her fat-rolls, while crooning dramatically about her unfathomable beauty.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 28, 2016 4:21 PM  

Re: r/k

As much good as Anonymous Conservative is doing in grand strategic terms, it must be noted that he simply isn't very smart. The idea that "conservatism" = k-selection is prima facie ridiculous, in that conservatives statistically have a much higher birthrate (which is precisely the opposite of the definition).

I don't believe he's engaging in purposeful persuasion either, I believe he's genuine and just not very smart.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 28, 2016 4:29 PM  

kfg wrote:"We no longer have the technical capability to reliably send people to orbit."

We need another German war.


Lucky for you then, I'm sure US leaders have strong opinions about the imminent ethnic cleansing in Germany.

OpenID joeholocaust March 28, 2016 4:30 PM  

"
116 overpopulating Africans, Islamists, Indians, and Chinese. I told her to remember that nature has a way of sorting these things out

Mother nature kept Africa in check with Malaria until whitey brought quinine, then AIDS. If we come up with meds to manage Ebola just think of what she will have to come up with next."



Sub-Saharan Africa and well, every other subhuman inhabited territory relies on overpopulation. They breed multitudes and leave them to die off if they are not motivated enough to attempt to migrate to a white country. The remittances sent back home by many of the lucky migrants represent a significant contribution to their domestic economies. Whether or not their starving masses receive white donor country aid is immaterial to the amply fed rulers of said mudpeople hellholes.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 28, 2016 4:37 PM  

We apparently no longer have a Strategic Grain Reserve, but that doesn't mean we couldn't adapt to disasters somewhat less nasty than a Carrington Event by diverting food currently used to raise animals, and slaughtering most of them except for breeding stock. Not to mention all the corn that's turned into fuel ethanol instead of eaten.

We produce a lot of grain and soybeans, going by the easiest found source just now, for 2014, looking at page 80 for consolidated reporting by metric ton, do you think with over a metric ton of corn per person, 1/6th of wheat, 1/3 soybeans, we'll in theory be able to make do?

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco March 28, 2016 4:37 PM  

"A bigger problem is the encouragement of smart young women to go to college and grad school rather than get married and children."

Vox, I already posted this here, but it's worth reading:

1. Sterilizing the Fittest

2. Women's Colleges and Race Extinction

Anonymous Steve March 28, 2016 4:54 PM  

So I'm interested in Charlton's theory of mutational meltdown and read more.

Here's what a paper published by James Crow, Professor of Genetics at the University of Wisconsin, had to say in 1997:


I do regard mutation accumulation as a problem. It is some- thing like the population bomb, but it has a much longer fuse. We can expect molecular techniques to increase greatly the chance of early detection of mutations with large effects. But there is less reason for optimism about the ability to deal with the much more numerous mutations with very mild effects. But this is a problem with a long time scale; the characteristic time is some 50–100 generations, which cautions us against advocating any precipitate action. We can take time to learn more.


I'm not a scientist and have no special insight into whether Charlton or Crow are right.

But if Charlton is right, and accumulated mutations really have caused a massive drop in IQ - as well as a host of other problems - over only eight generations, most of those generations still suffering from much higher infant mortality than we do now, then that would be the sort of astonishing finding that wins Nobel prizes.

However, astonishing claims require equally startling proof. There are a lot of brilliant eccentrics in academia, and sometimes their paradigm-shifting ideas turn out to be right.

Sometimes.

Anonymous BGKB March 28, 2016 5:00 PM  

do you think with over a metric ton of corn per person, 1/6th of wheat, 1/3 soybeans, we'll in theory be able to make do?

If we had another great depression people would be less likely to survive it. Currency collapse is a greater risk than full Mad Max nigapocalypse

that conservatives statistically have a much higher birthrate (which is precisely the opposite of the definition

The face of conservatism http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/04/23/single-mother-of-15-someones-got-to-pay/


OT:The smell of progress. Leftists want it to be legal for you to take a dump in the street everywhere not just San Fran and NYC, because arresting people for doing it is racist.
http://nypost.com/2016/03/27/ag-loretta-lynch-wants-to-let-nation-break-law-without-consequences/

Anonymous kfg March 28, 2016 5:24 PM  

@193: ". . . the imminent ethnic cleansing in Germany."

Is what I was a bit sarcastically alluding to.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 5:30 PM  

Feminism and womens' rights are really effective weapons. Japan has perhaps the most Patriarchal and Male Dominated Society on Earth and they are in a death spiral due to women wasting their egg laying years doing men's jobs. The men have abandoned sex and gone totally to Hentai Porn. Its a tragedy that shows the insidious horror of the enemy. Who would have thought that giving women a simple choice of being a participant in society would completely wipe out a proud race?
All of it comes down to biology. Race and reproduction are all that matters. Eugenics is just a fancy pants poindexter scientism based on old fashioned hierarchal dominance of the strongest and fittest and the propensity of females to gravitate and lust after the rich and powerful dominant males. You don't need any sterilization, family planning or abortion programs at all. You can get eugenic results simply by re-establishing a normal hierarchy found in nature where the dominant males breed and the betas are mindless drones that work and die without inferior progeny polluting your gene pool.

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