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Monday, March 28, 2016

Mailvox: in defense of Baby Boomers

Chris has some thoughts on just how responsible the Boomers are for the present state of the USA:
Having long ago contended with the fallacy of conspiracy theories, I formulated more of a humanity based explanation for human societal and cultural phenomenon.  Therefore, I would like to put forth a few ideas to defend boomers from the blame you seem to assign them for current problems and the general direction of decline in western society. I think the generalization of blaming boomers is a mistake.

The point here is not to defend boomers per se, but to consider the causes of generational uniqueness as external to any generation or group.  After all, humanity hasn’t changed fundamentally.  Boomers weren’t different as a species from the generations a few before, nor a few after.  The conditions of the world have been changing dramatically (while humanity has not), and humanity’s circumstances therefore are the more likely key ingredients for the path we are on. 

I’m not saying bad decisions were not made by boomers, but what conditions accommodated those decisions, and allowed a series of degenerate shifts in society at all levels, without consequence to their near term survival?

My answer is prosperity.  Without proper governance (which humanity seems incapable of), prosperity sows the seeds of its own destruction.  This is not without historical precedence.  Study prosperous societies (for example: Roman, or Greek), and how they end.  Why don’t they last?  Human nature under prosperous conditions is destructive, and the prosperity creates an environment where the feedback for stupid decisions is blunted if not eliminated.  The feedback in prosperity is certainly not consequential to survival. 

After all, why do you think “feelings” have been elevated to such a level of reverence in our society?  Survival is no longer a factor, so the focus of the survival instinct has shifted to “feelings.”  Before prosperity, anyone with a propensity to focus on feelings had a survival disadvantage.  Now, they don’t.  The personality characteristics that come with focusing on ones feelings are clearly destructive in many ways. 

The advantages of principled decisions and common sense are reduced in proportion to prosperity, the proportion of the population without proper mooring to reality rises.  Worse yet, they thrive.  SJW are the realization of the fulfillment of this populations' “self-actualizations.”  It wouldn’t be possible without prosperity.  They wouldn’t be tolerated or even given attention if survival were an issue, and their own survival would be threatened by their own propensities. 

The human (and Christian) trait of empathy works best under conditions where survival is threatened.  For those whose empathy is not tempered by rational principles and larger historically informed context, poor decisions are common: for example supporting illegal immigration. 

In the end, the proportion of the population with destructive characteristics rises.  Their power also rises because there is no survival threat for their psychological self-absorption or other anti-survival characteristics.  It is the diversity of humanity, in the presence of prosperity, which allows devolving of key elements of a prosperous society, because the worst characteristics can thrive. 

There are plenty of boomers who didn’t (and don’t) agree with the path taken.  A huge number didn’t just lie down and let it happen, but it happened anyway.  There was a dramatic rapid shift in society.  The rules changed wickedly fast with only subtle evidence at first.

The shift to the current state was rapid, and hard to believe in real time.  Things that seemed ridiculous, nonsensical, even impossible, occurred, and then became mainstream so rapidly many were blindsided.  The ones who saw it coming were actually considered kooks.  “How could that ever happen?”  "You are nuts."  There was no reward for having warned of the future.

Boomers grew up when survival was still at the forefront of people’s minds, just one generation removed from the great depression.  They didn’t recognize there would be no negative consequences for all the irrational foolishness and abandoning of common sense.  And when there were no consequences, the bar was moved, and those trying to hold the line were marginalized.  This is still happening today. 

Those of us who saw it coming, and thought we were working against the wave, didn’t realize it was a tsunami.  And could only be stopped, can only be stopped ever, by a larger counter-tsunami.  Otherwise, maybe the flood comes, and we start over with natural selection in survival mode.  Humanity seems to self-select best when survival required good choices.
I think it is reasonable to say that the Boomers didn't grasp the consequences of their actions and their ideology in their youth. And perhaps that is even moderately excusable. But what I, and other Generation Xers find so unforgivable, is the way that so many Boomers still attempt to justify their actions, defend their ideology, and deny the consequences observed.

The penitent can be forgiven. But how can one forgive the unrepentant?

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Blogger Lovekraft March 28, 2016 12:47 PM  

Another gen Xer here.

The 1980s were significant in that I believe they saw the blossoming of far left activism. I heard a story recently about how a guy opened a bar in our town in the 80s in order to tap into the recent market of recently-divorced. My parents drank that cool-aid. The bar is now closed down, as is my family.

Blogger Austin Ballast March 28, 2016 12:49 PM  

Isn't this a bit of the Apex falacy? You are judging all Boomers by the voices who control corrupt media and such.

Most who speak against those voices are marginalized as kooks or worse as the emailer noted, though that is shifting a bit with new media avenues.

The Internet and such delivery mechanisms came when Gen X and Millenials were more of a power however. Those Boomers who opposed the ones carrying the message had a much harder time getting their message out when the gatekeepers were in charge. This has led to a few to stop trying as past efforts felt like banging their head against the wall.

Blogger Cecil Henry March 28, 2016 12:51 PM  

Yeah, they did lie down and let it happen, even when they disagreed.

They are still doing it today. I know, they are in my family, and i meet them every day. They deserve contempt. They deserve to be made accountable.

I had one come it looking for 'free' medical care. Complaining about the cost, he said government should 'do something' to make this available.

(ie steal from other people and give the resources to him)

When I pointed out the government is is in debt, he just shrugged and smiled and said 'Hey, I want my health care'. (Someone else should pay at the point of a gun)

Disgusting.

Blogger christopher.gage March 28, 2016 12:52 PM  

"But how can one forgive the unrepentant?"

Matthew 16:24

And then from our Observation last Thursday... Luke 23:34

Blogger Nate March 28, 2016 12:55 PM  

This is like blaming spoiled children on their parents for being rich.

Blogger Moor March 28, 2016 12:57 PM  

Reminds me of that great quote from Cotton Mather:

"Faithfulness begat prosperity, and the daughter devoured the mother."

Blogger RobertT March 28, 2016 1:06 PM  

From a book I read recently ...

"During the decade of 1960 to 1969, 70 million adolescents came of age, the result of the post WWII baby boom. The 60s generation was the most pampered and self-indulged group of Americans who had ever lived."

Now I know why I don't get along with boomers. That is not the life I've led. Broken home, poverty level, etc. If it wasn't for the fact i got the highest sat score in my region, I never would have made it through college. Suddenly I don't feel the obligation to defend them.

Anonymous Orville March 28, 2016 1:09 PM  

As a boomer I am not looking for absolution. I view the boomers with disgust too. But, if you consider Strauss & Howes' 4 cycle generations scheme, Boomers might be found to exist every four generations, so in that sense why all the drama from pissed off millenials and X'ers that Boomers are the worst thing ever? It's just the cycle of life, or the Book of Judges.

Blogger pyrrhus March 28, 2016 1:11 PM  

Boomers are the latest incarnation of the "Missionary" generation. GenX is the "Lost" generation that pays for all the insanities of the spoiled do-gooders in the Missionary group. The Millennials will be the ones stuck with cleaning up this mess, at God knows what cost.

Blogger Tony DeAngelo March 28, 2016 1:14 PM  

History is replete with examples of the fall of man after a long period of prosperity - look how quickly the Israelites abandoned God for other gods, shortly after God had just rescued them from Egypt! They ignored the prophets who gave clear warning as to what would happen should they not return to God.

I always wondered why God gave Ishmael the promise that he would "surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers.... I will make him into a great nation."

The rise of Islam must be a part of God's plan after all...

Blogger Sean March 28, 2016 1:17 PM  

I read this and it makes it sound like someone could advocate for government control of your resources so you don't have to much and go down the boomer path.

I think the key is not prosperity, but prosperity without consequences and more often than not it is the government through its "programs" and cronyism that blunts the consequences.

Blogger Thucydides March 28, 2016 1:18 PM  

One reason I like the idea of space colonization is that stupidity is going to be 100% fatal, and I'm pretty sure that colonists will do everything possible to prevent SJW's, Progressives and other anti-survival types from even setting foot on their colonies for simple self preservation.

Blogger BC March 28, 2016 1:20 PM  

I would agree largely with the Chris were it not for the myriad of boomers I personally know who know what's right but do the opposite. Like my father who rails against divorce, but refuses to accept responsibility for his failed marriage or the destruction in rent among his children.

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 1:20 PM  

"They are still doing it today..."

That's the point. They never stopped being self absorbed scum even in the face of all the harm it was causing to their families and society at large. Another example of boomertard blindness is that they are BIG believers in big government, again even when .gov has proven to be hopelessly corrupt and harmful.

Blogger Salt March 28, 2016 1:22 PM  

But what I, and other Generation Xers find so unforgivable, is the way that so many Boomers still attempt to justify their actions, defend their ideology, and deny the consequences observed.

Since MPAI, and in no small part the continuation of The Bernanke effect, the chickens have not been allowed to come home to roost.

Blogger Jew613 March 28, 2016 1:24 PM  

Boomers are bad but the Millennials with their dozens of genders, safe spaces, and micro-aggressions seem completely crazy.

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 1:25 PM  

Much blame falls on the (celebrated) parents. After all, only a tiny sliver of boomers could even vote when the 1964 Immigration Act went through. The Boomers were a culmination of all the criticisms both the left and right in Europe had of yankee culture, and it had been been a long time coming.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 March 28, 2016 1:25 PM  

Everybody over corrects for their parents. Depression era scarcity of children lead them to enabling their boomer children with the excessive abundance. Who grew up so self-absorbed that it resulted in them ignoring their own children. These children then went on to plan every aspect of their own children's lives.

So no the boomers are not to share the sole blame for what happened. The problem with boomers seem unique in their defense of other boomers. The NABALT crowd might not commit the awful acts that resulted in the destruction of pre-1965 culture, but they have been as active in opposing those forces as "moderate" Muslims have been in opposing "radical" Islam.

Will Best

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 1:26 PM  

Boomers are bad but the Millennials with their dozens of genders, safe spaces, and micro-aggressions seem completely crazy.

The difference is that the Millenials are getting punched in the mouth repeatedly by reality.

No house, no job, no future. Bap, bap, bap. Repeat until revolution.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 28, 2016 1:26 PM  

Thucydides wrote:One reason I like the idea of space colonization is that stupidity is going to be 100% fatal, and I'm pretty sure that colonists will do everything possible to prevent SJW's, Progressives and other anti-survival types from even setting foot on their colonies for simple self preservation.

...or introduce them tor
Airlock.

Anonymous Michael Maier March 28, 2016 1:27 PM  

This dude has a point.

"The Greatest Generation" spoiled their kids, enabled their perpetual immaturity and were just as "judge not" as the Boomers. They sure didn't do anything to curb their wild spawns' excesses when they held the levers of power.

It sure wasn't Boomers that wrote "no fault divorce" into law and started the rapage of the American family. It especially wasn't the Boomers that implemented the evil welfare state, enabling and encouraging further breakdown of society.

In fact, the "Greatest" did everything they could to take advantage of our fiat currency and it accompanying and unbelievably corrupt financial sector.

They gladly rode the wave. The Boomers saw it and just figured the Easy Life was their due just for existing. Considering that the "Greatest" had the biggest economic boom ever in history powering that wave, who can blame the Boomers for thinking that and not even considering hard work was the answer to anything?

I'm not remotely a Boomer fan but the continued demonization is ridiculous.

I don't blame savages in the jungle for being savages. They don't know any better.

It seems to me that the "Greatest" saw the Boomers degenerating INTO savages.... and collectively shrugged.

Blogger Res Ipsa March 28, 2016 1:32 PM  

But how can one forgive the unrepentant?

Outside of a couple of religiously minded boomers, I can't say I know anyone from that generation who thinks there is a problem. As a group boomers believe there is nothing wrong with how things were, are, or how generations coming after them are left holding the bag. The solution to the boomers is found in one of their TV shows, Logan's Run.

Blogger Salt March 28, 2016 1:33 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:It seems to me that the "Greatest" saw the Boomers degenerating INTO savages.... and collectively shrugged.

One thing I saw with regularity in my parents generation was the constant partying. We were an unsupervised generation.

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 1:33 PM  

"Outside of a couple of religiously minded boomers, I can't say I know anyone from that generation who thinks there is a problem. As a group boomers believe there is nothing wrong with how things were, are, or how generations coming after them are left holding the bag. The solution to the boomers is found in one of their TV shows, Logan's Run."

Thank you.

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 1:37 PM  

"One reason I like the idea of space colonization is that stupidity is going to be 100% fatal, and I'm pretty sure that colonists will do everything possible to prevent SJW's, Progressives and other anti-survival types from even setting foot on their colonies for simple self preservation."

The ironic thing is that boomer idiocy at all levels of society has retarded space exploration/colonization.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 1:39 PM  

But what I, and other Generation Xers find so unforgivable, is the way that so many Boomers still attempt to justify their actions, defend their ideology, and deny the consequences observed.

Barak Hussein Obama is Gen-X. His election was heavily supported by millennials, who still attempt to justify their actions, defend their ideology, and deny the consequences observed, to copy and paste a phrase.

Therefore according this "group guilt" reasoning, all Gen-X and millennials share the guilt of everything Hussein has done.

Including Vox Day. Because "generationalism" as a form of group guilt.

Or to put it another way:
"Some" vs. "all" - discuss.

Blogger Verne March 28, 2016 1:40 PM  

Here I sit guilty, a borderline Boomer with younger Millennial children. I talk about the old days and they always say they same thing. Wow you guys really screwed up a good thing. Yes we did, a few of us fought it, but we lost. I'm sorry to leave them a messed up culture, that has become the land of the control freak. Its your now, I'm not gone, I'm still fighting, but only for so many more years. The fruit of my generation will be rotting for a long time after I am gone. But I'm proud of the children I raised. None of them are falling for our modern cultures BS.

You see in the end I did what most of my generation failed at. I produced children who value our heritage and culture. They are raising families themselves. For my gen that is rare

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 1:41 PM  

"Barak Hussein Obama is Gen-X."

No he's not and besides his birth date is iffy. He has governed like a leftist boomer (redundant).

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 1:42 PM  

RobertT
Now I know why I don't get along with boomers.

One easy observation to keep in mind: Boomers are the people Disneyland was built for, back in the 1950's. Yup.

Disneyland was created for the boomers. Bear that in mind when dealing with them.

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 1:42 PM  

"Some" vs. "many" vs. "most" vs. "all" - discuss

Fixed that false dilemma for you.

Blogger Austin Ballast March 28, 2016 1:43 PM  

My grandmother, part of the greatest generation or possibly earlier (as I am a trailing boomer and my parents were born just prior to boomer years) firmly told me they should not touch "her" social security. She was a hard worker her whole life, but she had bit the wrong fruit in this case.

Blogger VD March 28, 2016 1:44 PM  

Barak Hussein Obama is Gen-X.

Obama was born in 1961. He's a Boomer. Generation X starts in 1965-66.

Blogger Joe Doakes March 28, 2016 1:44 PM  

Chris blames prosperity: when we became prosperous, we lost empathy. So prosperity causes sociopathy? I think he dropped a stitch in his proof. I think the root cause is loss of morality and that doesn't seem related to prosperity at all.

Blogger M.S. March 28, 2016 1:45 PM  

What Chris is saying sounds just like the R-K Selection theory of ideology that Anonymous Conservative/Michael Trust talks about. So the ideal society is one that gives us peace and prosperity while having very real and immediate consequences for stupid behavior. How do we make a society like that WITHOUT going to outer space?

Blogger Austin Ballast March 28, 2016 1:45 PM  

My grandmother, part of the greatest generation or possibly earlier (as I am a trailing boomer and my parents were born just prior to boomer years) firmly told me they should not touch "her" social security. She was a hard worker her whole life, but she had bit the wrong fruit in this case.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 1:46 PM  

Xer
"Barak Hussein Obama is Gen-X."

No he's not and besides his birth date is iffy.

Hey, just type NAXALT next time, save energy.

He has governed like a leftist boomer (redundant).

So?

Blogger Cyril March 28, 2016 1:46 PM  

A good deal of the blame lies at the feet of the 'Greatest Generation' bwcause, having come through the Depression, they said, "My children will never have to do without like I did." And in making sure their children had it easier, they deprived them of the hardship which would've developed their character.

Blogger Student in Blue March 28, 2016 1:47 PM  

Another Boomer thread?

Time to get ready for another 200+ post bonanza.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan March 28, 2016 1:47 PM  

Aww Vox you appear to be softening in your middle age.

You've gone from a) the whole lot of em should be put on an ice floe, to b) most of em are selfish, greedy, irresponsible assholes to ....

c) I guess some of em could see we were going in the wrong direction (i.e. Ponzi Socialist Securtiy)

Within a couple of years I expect you to come around to d) I guess the younger folks are equally stupid, clueless, dumbasses.

My take is this. My great grandparent's generation of men allowed the women's vote. That sealed our country's fate right there. You can't put that genie back in the bottle.

There will be a readjustment at some point. Society will once again be formed into some form of arrangement that allows some group(s) to flourish.

That group may be dark skinned, Jewish/Asian mixed men. Or it might be Aryan, or Viking type men, but of this I am certain...it will be men who run the show.

When life gets easier, they will again soften and allow their women to vote.

Then it will all turn to shit again.

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 1:47 PM  

"So?"

Typical boomertard

Blogger Verne March 28, 2016 1:48 PM  

Don't get me going on the greatest generation. They honestly thought that the war and a hard days work was all they needed to do and after that the government and the companies they worked for owed them everything. Theirs was the generation that gave the government, the power they needed to run everything. The war on poverty, the EPA, the department of education, Making us the worlds policemen. They were the ones who thought in terms of social engineering. They gave us our modern progressive (brain washing) education system.

My generation, like fools picked up their ball and ran with it

Anonymous Evolyn March 28, 2016 1:48 PM  

Whether you forgive the boomers or not, it does not change the current situation at all. (normal, all fubared)

And, can they see the mess they made? Well, not all made the mess, but for those that did, to throw out deeply held believes is also not easily possible, especially when they are of a pseudo-post-christian nature (clumsily put, but the 'all men are brothers' => 'no immigrant is illegal' equivalence is one of those nouveau-religious notions, so is feminism, pacifism and socialism).

I'd say it's more productive to worry about what can be done about the many problems in the here and now. (which you are doing quite well btw I think!)

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 1:49 PM  

VD
Obama was born in 1961. He's a Boomer. Generation X starts in 1965-66.

Ok. Consider your group-guilt removed for now.

Doesn't absolve the Millennials for supporting him en masse, and still refusing to admit there's any problem, though, under the "group guilt" notion.

"Some" vs. "all" - discuss.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 1:51 PM  

Xer
"So?"

Typical boomertard

You know that how?

Anyway, can't answer the question? Or did I trigger you somehow? Need a time out in a safe space?

Millennials flocked to Hussein in droves. They still can't admit he's screwed up. Under the "group guilt" rules what does that make Millennials?

"Some" vs. "all" - discuss.

Blogger Teri March 28, 2016 1:54 PM  

Okay, Boomer here (1951), raised by a single mom when that was unheard of, blue collar family.

First, the Boomer concept is ridiculous. It is supposed to be from 1945 to 1964. It's silly to think that the folks born in the 40s would have a lot in common with those born in the 60s. Next, the parents of the Boomers were from the Depression era. They had a hard time, so they wanted their kids to have an easier time. This is human nature, but it's bad for future generations. Every time you try to make life simpler for the kids, you get kids less able to be self reliant.

Next is that the universities were already being infiltrated by Lefties (Free Speech Movement anyone?) There were still enough conservative instructors to make a difference, but they were under attack. Some areas had the lower grade schools under Federal jurisdiction to desegregate them. So, you see the start to all traditional education being under attack. I can't believe what schools call education these days.

Next is the Vietnam war, which you can't ignore. Public opinion was in favor of it then turned sour. The country had been on a wartime footing for a lot of years. Older people felt that it was a continuation of previous wars, so felt the young should support it in the same way. Young people did not feel it was worth getting killed for, although it was primarily the educated that were inclined to try to avoid the draft. Again, this lead to giving the Lefties an opening to exploit.

I considered myself a Democrat and feminist back in the day. I was never completely sucked up into it, because of the blue collar roots. I did the back to the land thing instead. And there are other factors here that can't be ignored. Women worked during WWII and many lost their jobs when the men came home. With WWI and WWII, that was a couple of generations of women that had gotten used to working and having their own money. It lead to dissatisfaction and more divorces. Reliable birth control continued that trend.

You can't ignore the forces that led to the Boomers. Fans of big government? Their parents felt that Big Government saved them from the Depression. Their parents also felt that education would give their kids a better life. What the parents wanted was not enough for their kids. They had to have more than just a family, job and a house.

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 1:54 PM  


"You know that how?"

You didn't deny it.

"Anyway, can't answer the question? Or did I trigger you somehow? Need a time out in a safe space?"

Wrong generation assclown what you can't read.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 1:54 PM  

praetorian
"Some" vs. "many" vs. "most" vs. "all" - discuss

Fixed that false dilemma for you.


Not my false dilemma, sport, I'm just going with the flow here.
Fuzzifying the problem doesn't necessarily resolve it.

Blogger Krul March 28, 2016 1:56 PM  

Boomer threads here are fun to watch, in a morbid train wreck kind of way.

You'd think "Boomer" is code for "whoever commits the most logical fallacies wins, GO!".

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 1:56 PM  

What Chris is saying sounds just like the R-K Selection theory of ideology that Anonymous Conservative/Michael Trust talks about. So the ideal society is one that gives us peace and prosperity while having very real and immediate consequences for stupid behavior. How do we make a society like that WITHOUT going to outer space?

Some really big, expensive project that soaks up a lot of excess capacity. Doesn't have to be space, could be other things, but space at least would eventually solve the "all eggs in one basket" problem.

It would take a very selected social elite to make this work for more than two generations, though.

Blogger David-093 March 28, 2016 1:59 PM  

Obama is an unknown because he spent his formative years outside the US, so he doesnt count. X begins in 61 and ends in 81 according to Strauss and Howe.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 1:59 PM  

Evolyn
And, can they see the mess they made? Well, not all made the mess, but for those that did, to throw out deeply held believes is also not easily possible,

It's not usually possible to reason people out of beliefs that they didn't reason themselves into. A lot of the more obnoxious '68 fervever boomers are creatures of pure emotion. They can be pushed around a little with rhetoric, and that's about it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 2:02 PM  

Xer
"You know that how?"

You didn't deny it.


Cool, are we having show trials now? Prove to me that you aren't actually an NSA bot working for Bernie Sanders.

Prove it right now.

"Anyway, can't answer the question? Or did I trigger you somehow? Need a time out in a safe space?"

Wrong generation assclown what you can't read.


Definitely triggered. Do you need a crying towel, too?

Blogger Teri March 28, 2016 2:02 PM  

We have a property with an old double wide mobile on it. We want to replace it. The city won't let us put in a mobile unless it is 2006 or better, but it has to be the same footprint as the old. They don't build double wides that small any more.

When we told this to the stepson, he said we should secede from the city. He was serious. It's not the first time that he's said something borderline delusional or tried to tell us how to do something he knows nothing about. I don't chalk this up to his generation. I chalk it up to his education.

When we started taking advice on raising children from "experts", it all went south.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 2:04 PM  

Obama is an unknown because he spent his formative years outside the US, so he doesnt count.

Wait, Hussein is a special snowflake who doesn't count in the great game of generational guilt?

No way. This is Guilt Bingo, and Hussein is my free space.


X begins in 61 and ends in 81 according to Strauss and Howe.

If you buy Strauss and Howe's premises of course.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 28, 2016 2:04 PM  

VD:

Barak Hussein Obama is Gen-X.

Obama was born in 1961. He's a Boomer. Generation X starts in 1965-66.


We're part of the official demographic Baby Boom, but are not culturally part of it. We in Generation Jones were raised by parents from the Silent Generation, not the "Greatest".

In the case of Obama's mother, she was born in 1942, obviously too late to participate in WWII, but a bit early for the official Baby Boom, which is conventionally dated to begin in 1946. But her parents are definitely Greatest Generation, 1918 and 1922, and she sure had a lot of Baby Boomer characteristics....

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 2:07 PM  

"Prove it right now."

I am not a bot. See how easy that was boomertard? Of course you didn't.

"Definitely triggered. Do you need a crying towel, too?"

Na, but you definitely need an ass kicken like most in your generation, maybe there is something there about the Greatest Generation and how you were raised.

Blogger David-093 March 28, 2016 2:08 PM  

"If you buy Strauss and Howe's premises of course."

Are you autistic?

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 2:10 PM  

"Are you autistic?"

That the least of his problems.

Blogger Krul March 28, 2016 2:10 PM  

Here we go...

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 2:10 PM  

Xer

"Prove it right now."

I am not a bot.


That's that's exactly what a bot would say.

See how easy that was boomertard?

Your denial is obvious proof of guilt, bot.

"Definitely triggered. Do you need a crying towel, too?"

Na, but you definitely need an ass kicken like most in your generation, maybe there is something there about the Greatest Generation and how you were raised.


Phew. That's a lot of anger, but it's typical in trollbots.
Look, Sanders won three states, doesn't that make you happy?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 2:11 PM  

"If you buy Strauss and Howe's premises of course."

Are you autistic?


What, in the end, difference would that make?

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 28, 2016 2:11 PM  

Teri,
There are companies that will retrofit the undercarriage of a newer manufactured home so it fits and safely attaches to the existing concrete runners (assuming your old one is currently tied down to a semi-perm foundation). The engineer's report will give the foundation measurements as they are IN THE GROUND (again, assuming it currently has runners). That might be a potential workaround for you.

Anonymous Xer March 28, 2016 2:15 PM  

"Look, Sanders won three states, doesn't that make you happy?"

You're boring like all boomertards.

Blogger The Remnant March 28, 2016 2:21 PM  

This is something I've harped on for a while, i.e., people born into prosperity take it for granted and do not grasp the virtues necessary to build or sustain it. It's a sad fact that virtue is driven by necessity in most people, which means that most people are never truly virtuous at all.

As to the refusal by Boomers to reconsider their worldview given the ensuing wreckage, people rarely or never change after reaching adulthood. Man is a rationalizing animal, and the typical Boomer surely believes that even more should have been done to bring his utopia to fruition. He blames others for getting in the way, not himself for taken the wrong path.

There may be no way to break the idiotic cycle of history other than discovering the secret to immortality.

Blogger White Devil March 28, 2016 2:22 PM  

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Blogger Teri March 28, 2016 2:23 PM  

@62,

In this state, repairs to manufactured homes are handled by Department of Labor and Industries. They will give us a permit to rebuild the existing mobile, but it has to be made as though we planned to move it again. The irritating thing is that we had a chance to get a free, newer and nicer double wide and the city wouldn't grant us a permit to move it to the property. Gotta justify a bureaucrat's existence I guess.

Anonymous VFM #7916 March 28, 2016 2:24 PM  

@27

Your example of the education of children was and will be the correct pattern. The family structure that enables it, a one income two parent nuclear family with close connections to older generations, will come to be in fashion with the aware. Children educated under these models at home will become the new aristocracy that does not have to fear unemployment due to the entrepreneurship, technical education, and the culture and values that enable success.

"The human (and Christian) trait of empathy works best under conditions where survival is threatened."

Author could have simply substituted the word "White" for this sentence. Genetics enforced co-operation and empathy in low temperature or dangerous environments where Caucasians typically developed to a far greater degree than in other racial types.

Blogger Student in Blue March 28, 2016 2:25 PM  

@Krul
Boomer threads here are fun to watch, in a morbid train wreck kind of way.

You'd think "Boomer" is code for "whoever commits the most logical fallacies wins, GO!".


Whoa whoa whoa there, NABTALT. How dare you say every boomer thread is a trainwreck!?

I've personally ran in to a couple of boomer threads that were logical, unbiased, and short.

And even then, just look at all those other thread trainwrecks, like the vax threads! They're just as bad!



(Yes, I'm going meta with this.)

Blogger Teri March 28, 2016 2:26 PM  

The Boomer debate is designed to obscure that this is actually a debate about economic classes. It is the wealthy and upper middle class that gives you the Boomer behavior you despise (see Weather Underground). Blue collar families sent their kids off to Vietnam. Those that became hippies didn't stick with it long. They didn't have the family resources to bail them out. The cultural changes have destroyed blue collar and poor families. It wasn't because of the year they were born in. It was the social and economic class that mattered.

Anonymous BGKB March 28, 2016 2:27 PM  

I accept that any good boomers would have had an uphill battle with media gatekeepers keeping information from them, the question is how many good boomers existed? Ben Carson tested out as the smartest black in Detroit in a 20year time frame making him a black Einstein squared.

Having long ago contended with the fallacy of conspiracy theories

2 women plotting to give a 3rd woman negative peer reviews is a conspiracy.

"One reason I like the idea of space colonization is that stupidity is going to be 100% fatal

90%+ white America could walk on the moon with slide rules, affirmative action NASA needs Russia to take our astronauts to the space station despite smart phones having more computing power than the world had when we walked on the moon.

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 2:27 PM  

Fuzzifying the problem doesn't necessarily resolve it.

It just isn't an either/or. Human groups are always going to have variation. This doesn't mean that generalizations about human groups are invalid.

Collective guilt doesn't exist. Patterns do. Surely you agree with that?

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 28, 2016 2:28 PM  

Sorry, Teri, but that's all I've got. Didn't know your locale/jurisdiction issues. Good luck!

Anonymous cheddarman of Christendom March 28, 2016 2:29 PM  

Boomers should repent in sack cloth and ashes. I am a boomer. I grew up under paleo conservative parents and bought into their values so I am atypical. I always thought the next generations would wizened up but it looks the Dark ages are headed this way

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 2:33 PM  

Xer

You're boring like all boomertards.


Ok, but please be assured you're very special just the way you are. You even have your own special-snowflake spelling of Xir, and that's OK! It's totally OK! BGKB is accepted here, you can be too.

There, all better now? Triggering all done?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 2:37 PM  

The Remnant
This is something I've harped on for a while, i.e., people born into prosperity take it for granted and do not grasp the virtues necessary to build or sustain it.

In short, "Trustafarians". Good thing that those lousy Boomers are the only people prone to that error, isn't it?

As to the refusal by Boomers to reconsider their worldview ... Man is a rationalizing animal

Yup. We like to blame our own mistakes on others, often.

Good thing GenX and the Millennials are immune to such temptations, isn't it?

Blogger Tim_W_Burke March 28, 2016 2:38 PM  

@Teri
Thank you! I couldn't have said it better.

Blogger Teri March 28, 2016 2:39 PM  

@72,

It's a blue state (went big for Sanders this weekend.) Riverfront property, so in a flood zone. Lawsuit with state DNR. My husband was told that he should not buy this property, by his lawyer. Too many potential lawsuits is what he was told. It seems the lawyer was right. If we were rich, we would not have these issues. Oh well.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 2:40 PM  

White Devil
I think more of them would be starting small businesses if you didn't so much paperwork.

A couple of Millennials I know are running 2 or 3 part time jobs/ businesses. They are like muscians who have multiple gigs; no one gig pays the rent, but enough of them add up to it. Others got .edu degrees and are working their way into the k-12 hierarchy, which is safer than the higher ed bubble.

Calling Millennials "the gig generation" probably is apt.
Next step is probably a black market economy.

Blogger Badger Brigadon March 28, 2016 2:41 PM  

meh, it's all part of the cycle of empire.

Don't sweat it, It's all over in 5 years anyway. Get ready for what comes next, instead.

I suggest ammunition and a firm resolution to kill anything that isn't family or soon to be family.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 2:43 PM  

praetorian
It just isn't an either/or.

Yes, it is. Boomers bad! Bad Boomers! GenX good! sums it up.

Human groups are always going to have variation.

Except for Boomers, who are uniformly identical.

This doesn't mean that generalizations about human groups are invalid.

It means that all generalizations about Boomers are true.

Collective guilt doesn't exist.

Yes, it does. All Boomers are guilty, period.

Surely you agree with this?

Blogger Austin Ballast March 28, 2016 2:48 PM  

Don't sweat it, It's all over in 5 years anyway. Get ready for what comes next, instead.

What happens within 5 years?

How often are such shifts noticeable when they happen and how many only seem clear in retrospect? Did Rome quit operating when it was sacked or did it return to a "business as normal" approach even after that, for a time at least?

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Blogger Silent Cal March 28, 2016 2:57 PM  

As a boomer who was born in 1953 I can tell you that the spirit of our generation was that of rebellion. Of course that is the spirit of every generation. My generation may have had a bit more latitude to work out are rebellion, but the human nature is no better or worse in one generation than another. And has a boomer who lived through the "never trust anyone over thirty" nonsense I can state that generational warfare is just plain stupid.

Also, because changes were coming so fast and furious in the sixties, someone who was born in 1961 would have had a very different environment to grow up in than someone who was born eight years earlier. I was blessed to have had some experience of the Fifties and early Sixties which someone born in 1961 could not have had. I cherish the memories of my childhood because those times and places were better in a lot of ways. I regret the damage that my generation has done to this country but a lot of the harmful changes were already being manifested by 1965 and cannot be laid at our feet. "Progress" was inevitable and the world that I grew up in was bound to disappear, but I am very grateful that I got experience some of those less progressive times.

Anonymous Orville March 28, 2016 3:01 PM  

This thread is Wally and Beaver vs. Beavis and Butthead. Lame.

Blogger Doom March 28, 2016 3:02 PM  

"The penitent can be forgiven. But how can one forgive the unrepentant?" I believe how Jesus did it, and in this case I believe in following in His footsteps, is to leave them to their dues and open up forgiveness for the Father, if they choose to go to Him. If they harmed, then they must pay on earth, and as above below if they refuse to recant.

You are right though. It is their refusal to accept their wrongs, and sins, for what they are. They don't even have the excuse of ignorance, or lack of an education. It is purely a pride issue. And, yes, I do believe they full well know they are wrong.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 28, 2016 3:03 PM  

Here a couple of facts:

1. Women rose to prominence during the baby boom era.
2. Women ruin everything.

Therefore, it may not be the boomers per se, but rather women who are to blame for this mess.

Of course, since weak men stood by and let it happen, one could argue that the men are ultimately responsible.

Anonymous Nxx March 28, 2016 3:10 PM  

@ Orville
if you consider Strauss & Howes' 4 cycle generations scheme, Boomers might be found to exist every four generations

I agree. The driver is not prosperity, it's credit.

The Strauss and Howe framework has it that the generation that endures a credit bust (great depression) develops credit phobia. The generation that follows is merely credit averse. The one after is credit neutral and the one after that scarfs down credit like a pig at the trough. Then the bubble bursts and the cycle repeats.

We hit peak credit in 2008. The boomers are the pigs at the trough and their bill, a great depression, is now due.

Blogger allyn71 March 28, 2016 3:11 PM  

@84

This thread is Wally and Beaver vs. Beavis and Butthead. Lame.

Was thinking something similar except it was:

NAWALT = NABALT (Not All Women = Not All Boomers).

Same vibe in each case. They are all very special snowflakes, each and everyone.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli March 28, 2016 3:12 PM  

Empathobesity

Blogger Teri March 28, 2016 3:18 PM  

@86,
Actually, the woman thing started during WWI. That's when women got the vote and when they became emancipated. If you look back a bit farther, you'll see that WWI was a disaster for western civilization in many ways.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 28, 2016 3:27 PM  

@16 Jew613
Boomers are bad but the Millennials with their dozens of genders, safe spaces, and micro-aggressions seem completely crazy.
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And nobody complains about everyone else like Gen Xers - who knows what the millenials are blaming us for?

Blogger ray March 28, 2016 3:27 PM  

"Obama was born in 1961. He's a Boomer. Generation X starts in 1965-66."


Wah! Wah! He's Gen X. One of your own. Suck it.

Immigration Act of 1964. Greatest Generation. Civil Rights Act of 1963/64. Greatest Generation. The main enabling legislation for current culture.

No fault divorce, Great Society, all G.G.; in 1964 the booms were in grade school.


p.s. Boomers don't owe you whiny dorks and the rest of the Black Clothes Generations any 'repentance'. LOL!

Blogger ray March 28, 2016 3:35 PM  

"My great grandparent's generation of men allowed the women's vote. That sealed our country's fate right there. You can't put that genie back in the bottle."


Yup. After that, no legislation really mattered much, because all legislation gradually became What Women Want. Which continues currently. Hey, wait, I'll build a wall around it!

The G.G.'s parents saddled them, and the world, with that guaranteed disaster. But, but, perhaps the Boomers cast their Evil Mind backwards into history to FORCE the War Gen to enfranchise women? I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 28, 2016 3:35 PM  

@33 Joe Doakes

I think the root cause is loss of morality and that doesn't seem related to prosperity at all.
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My memory is fuzzy, but didn't Jesus mention something about it being difficult for rich to do the right thing?

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 28, 2016 3:49 PM  

I'd be fine with saying the Boomers don't get to take the blame for what they did wrong if they also forever give up their ideas of what they did right like Civil Rights, etc. Since they never will, they have to own their screw ups, which they never want to. Hence the hostility.

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 3:54 PM  

Surely you agree with this?

You are letting your emotions get in the way here, Paradigm. The irish and jews have been bad for America. I'm a potato jew, but I can admit that. Not all irish. Not all jews. But it is still the case, unfortunately.

Group generalizations are a useful tool, and introducing either/or fallacies into the discussion is not useful dialectically.

Anyway, I'm being autistic. You know all this. The train is fine.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 28, 2016 3:56 PM  

@87 Nxx

The Strauss and Howe framework has it that the generation that endures a credit bust (great depression) develops credit phobia. The generation that follows is merely credit averse. The one after is credit neutral and the one after that scarfs down credit like a pig at the trough. Then the bubble bursts and the cycle repeats.
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I remember my grandmother thought of credit as a very bad idea. I believe she was from the greatest generation.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 28, 2016 3:57 PM  

@90 Good call, Teri. Women getting the vote was definitely the beginning of the end. But it seemed to start slowly, and didn't really accelerate until the baby boom era, which also happened to coincide with the introduction of The Pill, BTW.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 28, 2016 4:01 PM  

@95 Broken Arrow

I'd be fine with saying the Boomers don't get to take the blame for what they did wrong if they also forever give up their ideas of what they did right like Civil Rights, etc. Since they never will, they have to own their screw ups, which they never want to. Hence the hostility.
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That's a good rule

Anonymous JI March 28, 2016 4:08 PM  

There are only two fundamental Laws to the universe: What goes around comes around, and there's no free lunch. Attempt to violate either or both of those laws and the universe has a harsh counter-reaction. It's happened time and again and the boomer generation is just another example.

By the way, I like the summary of the situation by "Chris" that Vox quoted above - where was this written? Is there a link somewhere that I'm missing?

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 28, 2016 4:10 PM  

Related: Boomer-style "March Against Fear" cancelled in Brussels...due to "fears."

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 28, 2016 4:12 PM  

It is an email. That's what "Mailvox" in the tittle means.

Anonymous Anonymous March 28, 2016 4:19 PM  

There was a thread on Reddit very recently that discussed a chimpanzee (or baboon, I don't remember and it doesn't matter) tribe that lost all of its high-testosterone members (this is going to sound lame, but even though it was just a few days ago, i forgot why. Battling? Disease? sorry).

Researchers found that the survivors (women and children-some of whom were male, of course) were unusually docile, nurturing, etc. They also found that this behavior lasted even when outsider males entered the group (though I don't think it was expected to be permanent-as more outsider males came in, I believe the docility began to fade).

Independent of this, I have always wondered if the 1960's, and the modern age, was some kind of Western Reaction to WWII. The war disproportionately destroyed the high testosterone males of essentially the entirety of western civilization. Before the monkey article that I mentioned, I thought it might be a social/cultural reaction to the war. But this article makes me wonder if it was a genetic or physical/scientific reaction to the war. Remove testosterone from a society, and you get feminism. Testosterone comes back, masculinity will come back.

On the one hand, perhaps its plausible. In spite of it being 2016, we are really still in the generation that fought WWII (admittedly, the very tail end of it-the survivors are in their 90's now). Like the monkeys, a truly new population hasn't quite arrived yet.

On the other hand, even as a thought experiment, it has holes. It could explain Germany and France, and perhaps Britain (who lost alot of men). But it doesn't explain Russia (who lost the most, and maintained its aggressive culture) nor USA (who didn't lose that much relative to population, but who nevertheless went full Strange Times).

So, more of a thought experiment than a fully defended explanation. But I too am trying to wonder what happened in the last 50 years to explain what is essentially an overthrow of basic human biology by western society.

joeyjoejoe

Anonymous RCFlyer March 28, 2016 4:21 PM  

Xer here.

I say this as the son of a Vietnam vet (now sadly deceased), but I am grateful that we are finally hearing less and less about the stupid Vietnam War with each election as time goes by.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 28, 2016 4:22 PM  

So in other words, I'm responsible for my actions when I'm poor but once I'm rich, I can't be held liable for what I do? Got it.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 28, 2016 4:23 PM  

Living too close to feelings will kill you, the excessive worship of feelings is a lethal, self destructive act of stupidity +10.

Boomers here and offline are loved. They failed or refused to understand or care to stop and think what their voting/policy issues, cultural marxism, 1960's onward

So here we are in present day with millions of very broken and hurt boomers. Whether its lay offs, declining health, having to raise their grandkids, its all hurt, rage and frustration. Meanwhile some boomers attempt to levy that upon gen x and many of us utterly unplug from them in extreme manners because some rabid boomers are going hollow or senile (which I acknowledge, age and decline happen in humanity), refuse to stop talking and curse introverts as depressed because some boomers are sooo extroverted, insulated and dont' care anymore. Some boomers rationale have been totally warped into very strange and foreign or detached from economic realities and I dont know, hopefully I am totally wrong...

Gen X and below or younger will suffer financial rape in a terrible sad backlash against the elderly whom we love and value as a way of class or generational warfare. We cannot afford what Washington or some boomers want, we cannot afford what AIPAC wants either. X, Mil'len's, Stephan M did a video or two on Sanders and Mil'len's its worth a listen..

(Personally, dad wants to die, prays for death, now I ask God to take dad home or over ride the people hurting us. I accept whatever inevitably happens. I understand why some pray for death and cannot imagine living his life. I want everyone restored to live forever at 30 or 35, wouldn't that be grand in the land of delusions.)

Blogger Starbuck March 28, 2016 4:24 PM  

According to some people I am a baby boomer. To other people I am a Gen X'er. Perhaps I am a Bi-Generational. I was born in 1962. My first wife was born in 1968. Gen-X. She left me for some other fella. My second wife is a baby boomer. She is still with me after 28 years. I wonder how that worked as baby boomers are such immoral fiends and the gen-x'rs are moral upstanding people of the highest regard.

That was what my generation would say in my case. I would say that my first wife wasn't happy and was searching. My second wife was happy and found what she was searching for.

I'd be fine with saying the Boomers don't get to take the blame for what they did wrong if they also forever give up their ideas of what they did right like Civil Rights, etc. Since they never will, they have to own their screw ups, which they never want to. Hence the hostility.

I have no right to claim responsibility for what the government did/does. Right or Wrong. I have no control over society, government, other people. Perhaps if I had billions I could sway public thought. but I don't and I usually end up being swayed by people with billions. At least it looks like that.

Did I mess up America? I don't know. I am ignorant of what my actions or inaction have cost/benefited this country. I am keenly aware of what my actions/inaction's have cost my friends, co-workers, family, God. But there was a little benefits to my existence as well.

Am I guilty of the horrendous things my generation of which I was not a part of? I don't know. Perhaps. I am just a dumb ignorant hick from the mid-west. If my actions/inaction's caused you any grief, then yes, I do apologize. But I have no idea what I should be sorry for?! I rarely followed the government or really no idea what my generation did or is doing. Too busy making a living and raising my family.

And as to the gen-x and millennials... The ones I know and raised seem just like anyone else. This safe space and snow flake crap, I only see that on tv. Not from the people I know or work with.

Also only used to see the hippies and feminists on tv. To me, it really wasn't real I suppose.

What I am responsible for is:
1.) At 7 years old I tried my luck at shoplifting/stealing. Got caught because I was stupid and had to face the music.
2.) At 10 tried my luck with being a liar... again. Faced the music.
3.) At 13 tried my luck as a fighter. i sucked, got my ass kicked gave it up for regular self defense... worked out ok.
4.) At 16 - Got a job. Been working for 37 years. Been good and bad..
5.) At 24 Got married and had 1 daughter and 3 boys. Very, Very proud of them.
6.) At present - Got a history to look back on. Most good, some bad(usually of my own volition). But very proud of my family and friends. Honored to know God and hopes like heck that God knows me.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

99 It blows my mind when any politician or policy wonker promises free A, B, C, nothing is ever, ever free.

Blogger CarpeOro March 28, 2016 4:29 PM  

@ the missive sender:
"Having long ago contended with the fallacy of conspiracy theories,"

No idea what your struggle was with, the concept of conspiracies (with which history is well populated) or ones that boomers in specific were involved.

@83
"As a boomer who was born in 1953 I can tell you that the spirit of our generation was that of rebellion. Of course that is the spirit of every generation."

Just a hint, but using your own personal experience as the basis for understanding mankind through the ages is not a way to convince others that you are a NABALT when it comes to naval gazing. More millenia were spent with traditions (and in turn your elders) being given some respect than the project to deconstruct society has had. True, in your life time things have gone from bad to worse with the parent generations deserving less and less respect in some areas, but this has not always been the case.

Anonymous Jay March 28, 2016 4:34 PM  

"The human (and Christian) trait of empathy works best under conditions where survival is threatened."

If you're not careful, you'll discover that Christianity is a religion that wants to be persecuted, and in fact prospers ONLY WHEN it is persecuted.

Please keep the cat IN the bag.

OpenID aew51183 March 28, 2016 4:37 PM  

"what they did right like Civil Rights"

Who said this was "right"?
The idea all people are created equal is fundamentally at odds with science and common sense.
The crime statistics and even the stats for black families bring into question whether the civil rights era was a "gain".
Even the SJW's are now demanding a return to segregation.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 5:17 PM  

I agree. The driver is not prosperity, it's credit.
he Strauss and Howe framework has it that the generation that endures a credit bust (great depression) develops credit phobia.

Kondratieff did pretty good work on the longer cycle, and it holds up well. Unfortunately his research was cut short by Uncle Joe.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 5:20 PM  

pratorian
Surely you agree with this?

You are letting your emotions get in the way here, Paradigm.

No way. I'm going with the flow, emotionlessly.

The irish and jews have been bad for America.

But not as bad as the Boomers.

I'm a potato jew, but I can admit that. Not all irish. Not all jews. But it is still the case, unfortunately.

So Irish Boomers must be the worstest?

Group generalizations are a useful tool,

But only abou boomers.

and introducing either/or fallacies into the discussion is not useful dialectically.

Why?

Anyway, I'm being autistic. You know all this. The train is fine.

The train is fine only because there are no Boomers on it.

Blogger Rick Caird March 28, 2016 5:34 PM  

This is all bs. I was the very front of baby boomers. We turned 21 in 1968. The "War on Poverty" Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and the civil rights acts were all in place by the time we turned 21. They were done by LBJ and the "Greatest Generation. We graduated in 4 years and went to work producing things. We built the computers and the software. We did big iron and PC's. We did robotics that eventually did in the big unions. We invented and produced. Most of what you have today came out of what we created, including you.

I have no idea what your complaints are, but they are misplaced. I make no apologies for being a boomer. I am pleased and proud to be a part of it.

Blogger Azimus March 28, 2016 5:40 PM  

I'm reading Atlas Shrugged finally, and the antagonists (if that's what you can call them) remind me of Boomers: "Its not my fault! I couldn't be held responsible!"

OpenID aew51183 March 28, 2016 5:43 PM  

@112

You took advantage of the nearly free college the greatest generation sacrificed to give you
You bought homes cheap because there was virtually no regulation on homes
You started businesses because there was virtually no regulation on business
You drank from the trough prepared by multiple generations...

THEN...

You voted to slash the funding to the colleges, causing tuition to skyrocket
You voted massive "gaia" and "NIMBY" regulations to housing, causing house prices and rents to skyrocket. The bluer the state, the more insane the prices.
You voted massive regs on business, putting any new entrepreneurs in a "need legal team to launch business to get revenue to pay legal team" catch-22
You burned the bridge to the American Dream...

Anonymous TLM March 28, 2016 5:43 PM  

My mother in-law is a perfect example of why I detest boomers. After retiring from a company she started collecting unemployment insurance for about 8 months (There was some lag time before her retirement became official and when she actually stopped working at her former employer). She had absolutely no intention of finding a job while taking those unemployment checks. this is theft and milking the system. yet, this woman is the first in line to judge these younger generations as lazy and such. I'm not defending millennials or whatever you call the younger ones, but the career opportunities I had as a gen X youth are just no longer available for these guys. she also got a handicapped parking sticker for having a stent put in. Did I mention she needed the stent from refusing to quit smoking. And she eats like sh*t, continues to gain weight since her 'retirement', but has the gall to call other people fat. Lastly, her retirement consists of never being in touch with or showing interest in her grandchildren, but she'll spend countless hours on facebook and playing games like candy crush. Boomers suck.

Anonymous Sir_Chancealot March 28, 2016 5:50 PM  

Gen X here. We are the “meh” generation. Our generation has it's faults and flaws, as does the Millenials. The difference with the Boomers is that NOTHING their generation did was wrong. No siree! Not ever! Just ask one. The Boomers who really do regret what their generation did, and is still doing, will point out the things the Boomers did wrong. And there is precious few of those type of Boomers.


So, for those Boomers who ask “What has GenX/Millenials done?”, I will say the following: We broke the back of the mainstream media. We broke the back of the publishers. Anybody can be a reporter or author now, and nothing stands in their way. Lies and cover-ups are being exposed in hours, days, and weeks, instead of years. We are well on our way to decimating the communications industry, and the television/cable industry.


Do you know what GenX is going to be? A living repository for the old ways. You Boomers knew right from wrong, and you chose to say “Hell with it.” (As a generation.) GenX said “Meh, whadda ya gonna do?”, because at the time, we didn't have the tools to combat the lies and lunacy that your group left as a legacy.


As a group, I like the Millenials. They know something's wrong, but they don't know what, and they don't know how to fix it. Hence, you get the young ones voting as they do.


The Millenials have been lied to for so long, they have a hard time seeing truth. But boy do they grab onto truth when they see it. That's something the Boomers can NEVER claim, nor, do I think, would they want to. They want to warp reality to their dreams, not adjust their dreams to reality. Millennials never had that much self-delusion. What delusion they have is the lies they've been spoon-fed from the Boomers.


Millenials are lost and groping, but they have hope. I think they are going to turn out fine. My generation? “Meh. We don't care.”

Blogger praetorian March 28, 2016 5:54 PM  

I am pleased and proud to be a part of it.

OK, OK. You win.

Kill them all.

Blogger Kona Commuter March 28, 2016 5:57 PM  

Awesome - A Boomer bashing thread! I haven't read / participated in one for so very long :-)


#112 "I have no idea what your complaints are, but they are misplaced."


Really? You don't know what Gen-X & Millennials complaints / problems are but you are willing to absolve blame?

Anonymous Ronnie March 28, 2016 5:59 PM  

105 is a typical boomer. Me me me.

Blogger Curtis March 28, 2016 6:00 PM  

Meh. If not for the internet, ya'll still be as clueless as the boomers.

Now that you have all this info at your finger-tips, what are you going to do with it?

To funny. And despite all the info at the finger-tips, people are still voting for Hill and Bern and Cruz.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 28, 2016 6:04 PM  

As a boomer, I get what the Gen X problems are, real or imagined. I hate the sons of selfish bitches my own damn self.
I truly miss the days of stompin' the fuck out of hippies, That's the one who spawned the crybaby mills we are all o so familiar with, not rednecks like myself. Damn those hippie dipshits, I hate 'em with a perfect hate.

Blogger Curtis March 28, 2016 6:04 PM  

Sorry. Forgot the customary but, but, but, it's the boomers fault that people are still voting for Hill and Bern and Cruz!

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 28, 2016 6:05 PM  

Most of the Boomers involved in the 60's revolution were gentile dupes who carried the water for the rich Jews who launched, marketed and prosecuted the revolution. It was, ultimately, all about materialism.
At Marx's funeral, Engels remarked: “What Marx and I accomplished was to stand Hegel on his head”--meaning that he and Marx had found in materialism a vehicle for the promotion of their Luciferian doctrine.
“Materialism,” though, means one of three things:
(1) It's a codeword for atheism;
(2) It's the worship of material objects instead of God;
(3) That while things other than materialism can be of interest their interest must ultimately be subsumed under materialism. But the revolt of the Sixties was ostensibly built around the rejection of the worship of material objects. Nevertheless, aside from the sham Jesus-freaks phenomenon, there was no worship of God replacing that of material objects.
It's interesting how so many of the leaders of the 60's revolution eventually wound up in corporate boardrooms.

Blogger Fatherless MRA March 28, 2016 6:05 PM  

Boomers and upper middle upper middle white SJW's are basically the only groups I'm always pleased to see bashed.

Anonymous map March 28, 2016 6:08 PM  

Look, this was largely caused by the leadership. America's problems were engineered from the top down, not developed organically from the bottom up.

The leadership first attempted to expand government power during the great Depression. Then, they sent the greatest generation to go fight and die in WWII, which was really nothing more than a large-scale population and propaganda experiment: see how much of the good men you can kill off while seeing how much nonsense you can get them to believe (like "Rosie the Riveter.)

The luckys and the cowards then returned home and had kids. The boomers became the primary recipients of mass government experimentation on a scale unimaginable. Basically, the government duplicated Huxley's Brave New World starting in 1946.

The Boomer's are simply pod people.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 28, 2016 6:24 PM  

"It's interesting how so many of the leaders of the 60's revolution eventually wound up in corporate boardrooms."
A lot more of those worthless turds wound up teaching in a classroom. (Ayers, Dorhn, etc.)
And we wonder about the effed up mess we have now.
We should have drawn and quartered their asses.
I apologise for that not happening.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 28, 2016 6:36 PM  

Hurry up and die, Rick Caird. Lead your self-identified cohort into the grave to a groovy disco beat. Excuse me if I don't thank you and yours for all those abortions.

Before you go, if you would be so benevolent as to return my Social Security pay-ins that you stole, I'd be much obliged.

Blogger Badger Brigadon March 28, 2016 6:38 PM  

This is all a symptom of urbanism.

'country' boomers were overridden just like 'flyover' people are always stepped on.
Ypou want to ;lay the blame, lay the blame on those who will starve within a week when the trucks stop rolling.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 28, 2016 6:42 PM  

" Before you go, if you would be so benevolent as to return my Social Security pay-ins that you stole, I'd be much obliged."
Dream on. That's not gonna happen, and you know it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 28, 2016 6:45 PM  

Speaking of Boomers:

Clinton tone police after Bernie

Maybe Bernie needs some gravitas.

Anonymous Ronnie March 28, 2016 6:52 PM  

128' Social Security ends with the boomers.

The old adage, first generation builds it, seconds maintains it, boomers wrecked it to the ground.

Blogger Unknown March 28, 2016 6:55 PM  

Abortion for old people. If they don't have kids that want to take care of them then get off the planet.

Blogger Unknown March 28, 2016 6:55 PM  

Abortion for old people. If they don't have kids that want to take care of them then get off the planet.

Blogger Teri March 28, 2016 7:01 PM  

There was one positive out of the hippie era and that was the back to the land movement. There was a real desire to learn how to grow food and make things with your hands. Unfortunately there wasn't always a lot of common sense to go with it.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 28, 2016 7:24 PM  

If you think I actually expect someone so repugnant as one who willingly identifies with the Worst Generation to do anything but steal more money from me before practicing "death rattle is the new 70", I have a sarcasm meter I can sell you, jOHN. Real cheap!

Anonymous Bernard Brandt March 28, 2016 7:26 PM  

I am looking forward to the day when you punk hipsters get to the age where the generations which follow you start talking about offing the lot of you pack of gits. I'm 63 now, and because I have kept myself in reasonably good health (NO thanks to the current health system), I expect to be alive for another 30 years or so. Long enough to see that day. I look forward to drinking YOUR tears, losers. Cheers.

Blogger Lazarus March 28, 2016 7:27 PM  

Lazarus be sorry for what he done, and what he never done. May all the generations to follow forgive me for my sins.

Oh, and PS:

Honour thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Blogger Harsh March 28, 2016 7:28 PM  

Every time Vox makes a Boomer post a bunch of those knobheads show up and prove not only that he's right about their emotional immaturity, he's being generous...

Anonymous Ronnie March 28, 2016 7:30 PM  

From a purely analytical stand point, involving history and the effects. The boomers fucked up a good thing.

I am old enough to remember my great uncles force feeding us beer at a young age. WW2 vets who thought it was funny to make us turn blue by way of bending our arms across our chest. My cousins and I were lucky enough to have had family members that were very tough people.

My father was drafted in to Vietnam war in the late 60's. Good man, came home and was a cop.

He lacked the toughness of his father and my uncles, one of whom fought in the Battle of the Bulge, another was in the Army Air Corps and was a navigator during D Day.

Was it his fault? No, just the way things turned out I guess.

But when my kids grow up and call my generation irresponsible, how should I reply? After all, lol, a lot of wild things are occurring under my watch.

Anonymous A Visitor March 28, 2016 7:35 PM  

@77

That's quite apt "the gig generation."

I'm an early Millennial ('86). Nearly the entire family is medical. I've had several jobs over the past couple years, found one that's actually decent. Might stick with it. Hate government over reach, right wing to the bone, fyi.

@78
We'll see.

@82

I don't hold yours or any other generation aggregately responsible for the country's demise. I hold those that specifically support the 19th Amendment and the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act responsible, among other things. The former are all long dead and the latter won't be with us too much longer. Glad you got to enjoy what I've only seen in home videos and old photos. Yes, the worms were already in the corpse but it wasn't as decayed as now.

It kills me how so many in my generation crave safe spaces, believe only 2% of rape claims are false, and do not understand how a former SecState's mishandling of class info is a big deal (then again, anyone who has never been on the class side, to an extent, really can't understand the ire).

At least there's some decent women of marrying age in my generation that are against the 19th and are of my religious denomination. That's a start. Long and short of it is I see my generation, those of us that are sane, as creating isolated pockets of resistance (a support network if you will) against the Leftist juggernaut until they get fat, happy, and lazy and then strike. I think by the time I'm 60 the tide will have started turning decisively in our favor (turning 30 at year's end).

@89

It was. Over 20 million dead. 'Nough said. It also gave us the framework for the international relations scene we still have just over 100 years later.

@90

I know of none of my generation that blames you all. Then again, I'm atypical of my generation as are many of my close associates.

"Yup. After that, no legislation really mattered much, because all legislation gradually became What Women Want. Which continues currently. Hey, wait, I'll build a wall around it!"

@92 Ah, what a great republic it'd be if women couldn't vote...*sigh*

@100 I saw that and couldn't help but smile. The larger point against Islam being destructive was proven by the police saying they didn't have the manpower to spare.

@106 There's a sucker born every minute.

@119 Learning what I was never taught in a parochial grade school or private religious high school by a boomer religion teacher, keeping on my foreign languages, learning more about our republic's history, using it to increase my work productivity (statutory employee, fy). What are you doing with the Internet?

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 28, 2016 7:37 PM  

Wrong. Hippies thought they invented "back to the land" when what they "discovered" was plain old farming.

I've seen back to the landers lecture the Amish about agriculture. Genius.

Best thing Boomers gave us was disco. 2nd best was AIDs.

Anonymous JamesD March 28, 2016 7:45 PM  

Vietnam Vet baby boomers tend to be cool. They basically run the country, as in, productive running. Chances are the plant manager at your regional power plant is a vietnam vet. Unfortunately they are all retiring, and there aren't that many competent Gen Xers available to take their place.

Anonymous Ronnie March 28, 2016 7:46 PM  

To add on to that comment, my father was a tough man, his father and uncles just had a different swagger.

I think it is due to many factors. One could write a dissertation on the generational effects of public opinion and the media's damaging effects on vets.

I have two nephews who served in Iraq. One of them was an MP with the 1st Cav. Four tours, a trigger puller to the max
All of his time was in Baghdad training and raiding homes with Iraqi cops.

He took some time out and visited me in 08, we drank an abundance of beers and he opened up about the war, and how savage it was.

He is now a military contractor making a good dollar some where
in the South after around 16 years in the Army.

The boomers should not be blamed for things that corrupted the overall culture. As someone else commented, we, gen x, have a variety of information sources that were simply not available to the boomer generation. It is almost as if they were led by the nose; perhaps we are as well.

They gathered the limited information that was available and moved on it. In a cold assessment, they fucked up.

The throwing stones at glass houses thing comes to mind.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 28, 2016 8:15 PM  

"Best thing Boomers gave us was disco"
Damn, that was a helluva shiv.
Don't blame me , I like David Allan Coe.

Blogger Thomas Howard March 28, 2016 8:20 PM  

I agree completely with the premise of this thread: Baby Boomers, the original narcissists, are, for the most part, terrible and responsible for the decline of this civilization. Their time has passed. Only a GenXer has a hope of turning the ship around.

Step aside Donald. You're the last gasp of those whose go-to play book largely consists of guilt trip projections designed to obscure their transparently self-serving designs. Time to move on.

Blogger Bob Hughes March 28, 2016 8:38 PM  

I don't think the Boomers had a choice. When the birth control pill was invented, men truly believed it would finally unleash female reserve and chastity, and a bonanza of fucking would ensue. They had no idea women would shut it down after five years. There really was a fuckfest to be had in 1967, but by 1972 it was over; women slammed the door shut. You can't blame Boomer men for this. Nor can you blame Boomer women. Centuries of received wisdom about men and women were shitcanned in a matter of years. Ultimately what happened is the educated and affluent went back to the 1950's. The upper classes today look like Ward and June Cleaver. But the working classes are in total disarray. It's the working classes that are the real victims of the Boomer generation.

Blogger Lazarus March 28, 2016 8:43 PM  

Bob Hughes wrote:When the birth control pill was invented, men truly believed it would finally unleash female reserve and chastity, and a bonanza of fucking would ensue. They had no idea women would shut it down after five years.

Excellent point. Remember it well.

oh, and Lazarus be sorry for what he done.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 28, 2016 8:53 PM  

Starbuck and 136, your kids or those of whom are younger seek and sought to honor thy parents, help the elders, to love not to hate.

Boomer humor, the globalists and their boomer policies and policies of social engineering prior to the 1950's have wrecked gene pools.

We are just venting or on the decompession zone over matters.

Last week and this entire month has been unsightly and vitriolic on when everyone mostly boomers running the show, get very stirred up over primaries and even in the full moon - I dont know but its been a very unsettling turn of events with boomers and the geriatric care scene. Boomers have alot of frustrations or questions or assaults that are somewhat aimed at gen x and others; "why don't you have a job, why don't you have this and that, why dont you have a phone, why, why, why, my resume, my credentials, my world, I dont want you to have anything, if I found out you had anything I'd sabotage it."

Of course, that is probably not the experience of many here. The torment does not exist in larger cities but the average age here is 58+. I'm bereft, answering only makes it worse.

And then the henhouse boomers, those women are frightening, its nice so many others have great wives and nice grannys but the henhouse will destroy you just like the worship of feelings.

Dad is very ill and is just tired, hates the pain but he does not qualify for hospice, I cannot take him home and the nursing home has him. He asks me to pray for his death, its an inconsolable place for any family.

Blogger Patrick Wilson March 28, 2016 9:08 PM  

Don't forget the wwII gen they voted for LBJ and the great society worshiped FDR looted the ssi fund raised the boomers(including me)encouraged corporate welfare,(Warren Magnuson and Henry Jackson were great senators by virtue of having the seniority to bring the bacon home to Wa. state)took every govt benefit they could create all the while denouncing their neighbor for not paying his fair share. Boomers, Xer's and every other nicked named gen would be smart to stop blaming their parents,solve the problems they find and move forward. Boomer's owe you nothing.As Peter Clemenza said,it has to happen every 10yrs or so. Revolution is a good thing start yours today

Blogger Retrenched March 28, 2016 9:19 PM  

How baby boomers were used to destroy the culture, by Zed the Zenpriest....he makes some good points I think.

http://no-maam.blogspot.ca/2010/06/baby-bomb-how-boomers-were-used-to.html?m=1

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 28, 2016 9:29 PM  

The Boomers were the first generation to overtly embrace the culturally broadcast notion that the younger generation needed to discard the collective wisdom of previous generations. The seeds of this were planted generations before the first boomer say the light of day however - there was even a kind of precursor in the 1920s. The cultural revolution of the 1960s - forever associated with the Boomers (even though no Boomers were in power then) - took place because the ground was well prepared for the flowers of rebellion to bloom. What was it a rebellion against though? The target of the rebels, whether feminists, enviros or anti-war types was a straw-man whose caricature really didn't exist any longer by 1968: The WASP patriarch of the 1790-1900 era. The so-called "greatest generation" (only named so once most were in the grave, by the way) were mostly nice liberals, weaned on the pink milk of Franklin Delano. They were more than a little shocked at the nasty spoiled brats, but (being nice liberals) did nothing much about it. As for those who followed the Boomers, did they rebel against the corrupt equalitarian foundations adopted by the Boomers? No, they embraced them in ever more extreme and perverted forms. The people who read this blog do not represent the norm of any of the generations under discussion. The Boomers were the first generation to fully drink the Rev. Jones' grape-drank and some are already (in many ways) answering for it. The following generations - though urged into more rebellion by the Lügenpresse and the depraved culture - have only carried this revolt against the pale straw patriarchy to new levels of depravity, still following the juju-box's subliminal (and not-so-subliminal) instruction to pay no attention to the beast behind the curtain.

There was no such animosity between generations 200 years ago (harking back to the earlier thread). Those who pull the strings of the Zombie Banana Empire - a hostile alien elite with some traitors thrown in - always benefit from such infighting, as they benefit from infighting of any kind. This is not to say there should not be war - on the contrary. It's really a matter of learning to distinguish between those who are truly the enemy and those who we should not expend the effort to attack. Boomer SJWs always lie, they always double down and they always project. Xer and Millenial SJWs behave the same way.

Blogger Lazarus March 28, 2016 9:39 PM  

LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. wrote:Dad is very ill and is just tired, hates the pain but he does not qualify for hospice, I cannot take him home and the nursing home has him. He asks me to pray for his death, its an inconsolable place for any family.

Rock and a hard place. My mother died at home. Basically drowned in her own phlegm. It was traumatic, not like" Little House on the Prairie died peacefully in their sleep" stuff. Thing is, when they start to go, and you can't get the various drugs they are used to into them, they die in withdrawal.

That is where the morphine drip comes in handy. I do not know if that is your situation, but just sayin.

Blogger dfordoom March 28, 2016 9:40 PM  

@8. Orville

why all the drama from pissed off millenials and X'ers that Boomers are the worst thing ever?

That's easy. It's because Millennials and X'ers don't believe in accepting any responsibility for their own actions. They want to blame someone else. Millennials and X'ers behave like women - nothing can ever be their fault.

One of the problems with Millennials and X'ers is that they have no historical sense. They're incapable of understanding that while it might seem like society changed overnight that's not what happened. Society started to change during the 1920s. Social change started then and it didn't stop and it hasn't stopped.

The severe symptoms didn't start to appear until the 70s but the disease was already there and had been for decades, slowly destroying the body.

Sit down and watch a few movies from the 1930s. Hollywood was relentlessly undermining western civilisation. Read the literature of the interwar years. Look at the art produced during that period - it was a remorseless assault on everything that held society together. You want someone to blame, blame the parasite intellectual classes. Of every generation since the beginning of the 20th century. And what produced that parasite class? Prosperity, and democracy, and mass state education. Too much wealth so that money no longer had any reality - throwing billions of dollars down the toilet was no problem, there's plenty more where that came from.

But all that seems to be too complicated for Millennials and X'ers to grasp.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 28, 2016 9:43 PM  

Boomer is neither father nor mother. At best he is a perverse and selfish uncle.

If you cast your lot in with him, don't whine when everyone else assumes you're queer. Go back to the Stonewall Inn if you don't like it.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 9:44 PM  

There are no fools like old fools. They spent their whole lives and learned nothing. These spoiled brats grew up in a Dream World. High standards of living, bright prospects, and a shiny future, and they flushed it down the toilet for false promises, immaturity, irresponsible behavior and the theft of America by crooks who are so dumb they print the money and still end up broke.
Say what you will, but these Baby Boomers will never grow up. These assholes still believe they are young, and will never grow old. Yeah, well they are old. Damn old. Look at Hillary she's one of them. You didn't beat time, you just never matured and accepted the responsibility that comes with being adults. You want the government to take care of you. Good luck with that. Ask the American Indians how well the Federal Government takes care of you. You asked for it.

Blogger weka March 28, 2016 9:45 PM  

@Kong.

I find myself agreeing with you.

In particular, that the ilk are not of their generation.

I would add that the activists do not breed so need to grow by loudly lying and then doubling down so they can build a next generation worse than them

But they forget that every bubble bursts and every holiness spiral ends. And that many are deceived by such.

But the ilk should not be like that.

Blogger dfordoom March 28, 2016 9:46 PM  

@9. pyrrhus

The Millennials will be the ones stuck with cleaning up this mess, at God knows what cost.

Do you seriously think most Millennials have the slightest intention of trying to clean up the mess? They think they're the most virtuous and most enlightened generation in history. They're so in touch with their feelings.

They will dig the hole even deeper while preening themselves on their virtuousness.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 28, 2016 9:52 PM  

152 Understood. Perhaps but not the true case in fallen humanity. Many of us take responsibility no matter how ugly or vile the taste for actions, problems, failed solutions and we move forward from there, we want a future. It just wont be an easy future and was never promised to us to have such.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 28, 2016 9:56 PM  

Millenials can't dig a hole in a desert that has been turned to glass, dfordoom, and Boomers left that for them and told them it was a mirror.

Eventually, they will be left to find their own food: they either will or they won't, but there is no denying the Boomers made the hell for them.

Boomers were the farce; millenials the tragedy.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 28, 2016 9:57 PM  

If it were not for our dads, a boomer we'd (I'd) have nothing, if were not for our (my) mom breastfeeing and homeschooling trying the best they could, I dont know what could have happened to many of us.

Another issue that arises is how at time many gen xers wondered what happened to some of the training they didn't receive or certain parenting issues that never arose that other kids or prior generations seemed to have, the vibe of "I wasn't shown anything" appears in these threads from time to time.

There is no hate per se just a bereft, speechless, frustrated, avoidant, nearly confused state of mind when the same boomers whom hired us, fired us, wont hire us (gatekeeper issues), label us and remove us from the labor force contributing to millions of people out of the labor farce entirely, its not stateside, its global.

Anonymous Quartermaster March 28, 2016 10:11 PM  

I have nothing to repent of in that regard. I did not hold the ideologies that have been so destructive, but have spoken out against them and worked to counter them any way I could. I regret that I was not influential enough and if I'm guilty of not preventing what I clearly did not have the power to prevent, then so be it.

We all have feet of clay, I guess this is yours Vox.

Blogger Lazarus March 28, 2016 10:18 PM  

In Vox's post Idolocracy and idiocracy he demonstrates people are dumber than they used to be.

Therefore, X'ers and millenials must be dumber than boomers.

Considering the effect Boomers are claimed to have had, that is pretty scary, you dumb bastards.

Blogger dfordoom March 28, 2016 10:21 PM  

@69. Teri

The Boomer debate is designed to obscure that this is actually a debate about economic classes. It is the wealthy and upper middle class that gives you the Boomer behavior you despise (see Weather Underground). Blue collar families sent their kids off to Vietnam. Those that became hippies didn't stick with it long. They didn't have the family resources to bail them out.

Agreed. The problem was the rise of an unproductive class of social parasites who did worthless degrees and then got cushy jobs in academia, the media and the bureaucracy, jobs where they effectively did no actual work and could devote their time to crazy schemes for social engineering.

When universities produced doctors and engineers they served a useful purpose. When they started churning out sociologists, psychologists, education theorists, film majors and untold numbers of lawyers they ceased to serve a purpose. The universities became cancerous. That started to happen in the 40s. When people start to believe that everyone is entitled to a university education you know that universities no longer serve any useful function. That idea had taken root before the first Boomers were even born.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 28, 2016 10:32 PM  

School seems to be where most of these Boomers spend their lives. First they were students, then grad teachers and eventually faculty and staff. Its their "safe space" to hide from reality. Academia has no competition, little oversight and really produces nothing. These clowns can smoke dope, act like teenagers and write some silly papers like when they were students and that's their whole life. Imagine spending your whole life in college! But then Education is their pagan god. "Education" is their prescription for everything. Thank you, Dr. Stupid.

Blogger Lazarus March 28, 2016 10:41 PM  

Joshua Sinistar wrote:School seems to be where most of these Boomers spend their lives.

F*ckin' A, dude. That, or gubmint.Idealize the working class, but don't want to be one.
The romance of revolution, without the actual struggle.

Anonymous BGKB March 28, 2016 10:57 PM  

"what they did right like Civil Rights"

Evolution didnt stop at the neck in humans. Blacks needed the dribbling rules in basketball changed so their short distance run ability would give them affirmative action.

Its a good thing this one told us because i doubt we could tell the difference in black behaviour.

"“Dear White People if Trump wins young niggas such as myself are fully hell bent on inciting riots everywhere we go. Just so you know.”
http://dcgazette.com/2016/its-on-black-lives-matter-leader-issues-a-violent-threat-to-whire-people-if-trump-wins/#

Anonymous Hoss March 28, 2016 11:03 PM  

Well yeah, they could almost be forgiven if they actually saw how bad they fucked things up, but they just continue to double-down on their stupidity.

Blogger G-S. March 28, 2016 11:04 PM  

Gen Xer here. NO generation is to blame. All generations had outstanding citizens and all also had drunks, scoundrels thieves and lazy people. Any issue isn't due to a generation but to systemic issues. There probably is a solution but it's likely those best suited to solve it are also those who are preventing it from being solved.

Blogger rumpole5 March 28, 2016 11:07 PM  

Good Lord, stop whining. You have the cultural riches of the ages at your fingertips on your blasted cellphone. Do you really think that you are worse off than a Parisian during the reign of terror? I get so tired of the nihilistic negative crap that the Gen X and Millenials indulge themselves in on these comments. Snap out of it! I guarantee that the mom's basement you live in is better than the shabby boarding house room or cold water flat or outhouse in the back shack most folks lived in prior to the 1950s. My mom was born in house with no running water in 1925 and her family was not poor. I can remember when you had to ask the operator to place a call, most folks had kerosene lamps on hand because the lights went out in almost any storm. In the winter everything was gray a day after it snowed because of the coal dust. Cars were loud, wore out well before 100 K miles, and got lousy mileage. When we moved to Florida neither we nor most neighbors had home a.c. It was often too hot too sleep. Although there was noculation for polio, and antibiotics, any serious illness meant death. There was little treatment for cancer, heart disease, kidney failure, and the like. It did not matter who paid for medical care because much of it was ineffective anyway.
Life was not the paradise in the 50s and 60s that you young fools seen to think that it was. Everything took longer, was more boring and narrow. There were fewer options and choices to be had in every way. On balance, you have just as good a chance at a long and happy life as any Boomer did. So stop the sniveling about Boomers, and concentrate instead on making the best use of what you have right now

Anonymous Ronnie March 28, 2016 11:10 PM  

Let the negros be negros. Confined ghettos absent gibsmedat will/can reduce the population to a somewhat manageable program. I'd say a ten year plan of funding and a generous one time pay-out for voluntary sterilization. That might cull the herd of animals.

Ignoring the breeding habits will eventually take a toll on monetary tax funds that are used for education and infrastructure. A huge toll on the White taxpayers, and I was never asked nor was I offered a vote against immigration or my 30% on tangible income being fleeced and redistributed to people that ruin my nation.

Blogger Eric March 28, 2016 11:29 PM  

Hurry up and die, Rick Caird. Lead your self-identified cohort into the grave to a groovy disco beat. Excuse me if I don't thank you and yours for all those abortions.

You can't blame the boomers for Roe v Wade. That case was decided by nine men who were already old in 1972. Was William O. Douglas (b. 1898) a boomer?

I'm a gen X'er, and I don't have a lot of tolerance for boomer crap music or their crap 1960s mythos. But a lot of the blame that belongs on previous generations seems to be haphazardly assigned to the boomers. The boomers did not create the welfare state. They did not decide Roe, and they did not screw up the dollar.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 28, 2016 11:40 PM  

Don't be stupid Eric. Who do you think was committing the abortions?

Gen X and Millenials have 50 million ghosts in their generation. That blood is all over Boomer hands.

Blogger Eric March 28, 2016 11:51 PM  

That's daft. Do you have any reason to believe the boomers had more abortions than gen X?

Anonymous Ronnie March 28, 2016 11:53 PM  

171

On the subject of roe v wade. Have you considered the balance and overall plus?

Not wanting to appear to be sociopathic, but that judgement erased quite a few individuals that were not necessarily going to benefit American culture.

I will leave this link: http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

Yes, 1800 plus per day. A staggering number. Let's take a step back and do some math.

Figure in the percentage of the drain on society - both monetary and culturally. Proportional. A necessary evil is a part of the human condition.



Anonymous JamesD March 28, 2016 11:58 PM  

The boomers should not be blamed for things that corrupted the overall culture. As someone else commented, we, gen x, have a variety of information sources that were simply not available to the boomer generation. It is almost as if they were led by the nose; perhaps we are as well.
I said Vietnam Vet boomers were cool. They are a lot like Gen X, and the two groups basically get along. The rest of boomers, think corporate execs, are scum. Are they to blame? Yeah, they are to blame for their actions, but they were created by their parents, the FDR generation.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 29, 2016 12:02 AM  

Typical Boomer, rumpole. You think a fucking cell phone makes up for all that mass murder, financial rape and catastrophic debt.

Get it straight: the pr sales job of your generation didn't stick. We revered the elderly of the Silent Generation, even though they had their own faults. We see you for who you are, too, and, as a generation of babykilling Hillary Clintons, excuse me if we don't afford you the requisite honor.

Just be thankful we are as apathetic and defeatist as we are. If we had half the blind self-confidence of the Boomer generation, we would have built industrial ovens for you and called them Imaginariums.

Anonymous JamesD March 29, 2016 12:03 AM  

When the birth control pill was invented, men truly believed it would finally unleash female reserve and chastity, and a bonanza of fucking would ensue. They had no idea women would shut it down after five years. There really was a fuckfest to be had in 1967, but by 1972 it was over; women slammed the door shut.
I think you are off on your timing. The Kidd Rock song All Summer Long describes Gen X teen years pretty well. I think the change happened in the late aughts. Maybe a little earlier.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 29, 2016 12:05 AM  

Oh facts are daft now? Check the demos, Eric.

Anonymous JamesD March 29, 2016 12:10 AM  

An easy test to see if a boomer is full of shit. Which statement is the realistic one for those who support getting paid social security:
1. I paid into social security, so I deserve to be paid.
2. I was robbed by the government, so I should get to rob my kids and grandkids.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 29, 2016 12:14 AM  

This is all bs. I was the very front of baby boomers. We turned 21 in 1968. The "War on Poverty" Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and the civil rights acts were all in place by the time we turned 21. They were done by LBJ and the "Greatest Generation.

So, did it ever occur to you to, y'know, fix something?

Anything?

Sure, sure, you didn't set the house on fire, I agree. But instead of trying to put it out, you poured as much gasoline on it as you could.

We all inherent messes from previous generations. 12 year olds say "that wasn't my fault" and ignore it. Adults clean it up so they don't pass it on to the next generation.

Your failure wasn't creating the problems, it was foolishly, childishly, selfishly, refusing to fix them.

Blogger kh123 March 29, 2016 12:21 AM  

" I wonder how that worked as baby boomers are such immoral fiends and the gen-x'rs are moral upstanding people of the highest regard."

Stopped reading right about there.

I think our host and possibly Nate have harped on this time and again - and you as a longtime regular here you should know this by now Starbuck:

X tends to own their generational faults. Pessimistic, lethargic, tendency towards nihilism. Yup, all of the above.

And much like the 800 lb gorilla in the room of latchkey family dynamics that most of them had to grow up with, it came out of f*cking nowhere. Mystery of mysteries.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 29, 2016 12:25 AM  

The Kidd Rock song All Summer Long describes Gen X teen years pretty well. I think the change happened in the late aughts. Maybe a little earlier.

I don't think women shut anything down. They're worse sluts than ever. What I think did change though is that they decided there wasn't much reason to have sex with betas, even ones they were married to.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 29, 2016 12:35 AM  

Begin at 20 mins, take special note at 27 mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCQXTmnKKFg&index=10&list=PLTJzn1nIjzeAH06fnGUrn3A0aV-cFJMV4

Blogger kh123 March 29, 2016 12:35 AM  

...That is to say: X is the last generation to look through for examples of idealism or a positive self image. Possibly even any ability to articulate it beyond a shrug. Not exactly real world advantages.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 29, 2016 12:39 AM  

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Blogger Ahazuerus March 29, 2016 12:39 AM  

Vox

The quoted material is a verbose and poor paraphrase, a blind grasping toward a principle described succinctly and emphatically some 3000 years ago by Solomon:

"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore it is fully set in the hearts of the sons of men to do evil"

Your first cigarette won't kill you, but smoking - as a daily habit - will.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 29, 2016 12:41 AM  

182 Well migrants rape rooms did shut down slut walks, right. Gen X were warped and terribly poorly programmed but so many horrendous worldview that too makes me sick. Henhousing, slutt training, mudding, multi colored hair that looks awful...

It is one thing to aggravate boomers with mistmatched clothing, saying women should not vote upon being asked of politics, when the henhouse or whorehouse starts I pull a common line we've read via our host, "I dont expect you to understand or agree," cosplay wigs, its another to dye it perm and call it normal and vote in suicidal policies.

Only boomer women were the first to lay waste to husbands wallets and its called normal, correct?

Blogger rumpole5 March 29, 2016 12:43 AM  

No PR sell on the Boomers intended. However, if you really study history you will find that "mass murder, financial rape, and catastrophic debt" are not unique to the Boomers, as I am sure that the generations alive at the time of Genghis Khan, Robespierre, Hitler, Stalin or Mao could tell you re: mass murder; or the generations alive at the times of the Tulip and South sea bubbles, the 1830's canal financial collapse, the panic of the 1890s and the 1930s depression could tell you. Like all these generations we face the consequences of sin. And yes, Mr. Crybaby GenXer and Millennial, you do in fact have much better stuff, medical care, and self improvement choices than did any generation before you. From all the criticism I take it that you must have much much better moral sense than did the Boomers, so why don't you employ those qualities in your own lives and stop complaining.

Anonymous No Comment March 29, 2016 12:52 AM  

dfordoom wrote:
One of the problems with Millennials and X'ers is that they have no historical sense. They're incapable of understanding that while it might seem like society changed overnight that's not what happened.


Though wouldn't that be a product of how they were raised? A failure of the Boomers to instill that into Gen X? (at least somewhat) And so then each successive generation gets more off the track because they lack the adequate knowledge/know-how because the previous generation didn't quite raise them right or prepare them adequately?

Blogger praetorian March 29, 2016 1:02 AM  

That's daft. Do you have any reason to believe the boomers had more abortions than gen X?

Well, certainly the aborted ones didn't have abortions. So there's that.

Gas the boomers, meme war now!

Anonymous Martin March 29, 2016 1:07 AM  

All this talk of Boomers being coddled is making me feel cheated. My dad was a combat veteran in the Pacific and it showed. I don't recall very much coddling. Mostly, a lot of time was spent trying to keep him from launching into one of his fits of anger at the world. There were many much like him. I've known a few Vietnam Veterans who remind me of him, also. Combat veterans don't coddle and there's a lot of Boomers who are the children of combat veterans.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 29, 2016 1:18 AM  

NABALT.

We get it.

Blogger bob k. mando March 29, 2016 1:26 AM  

oh God.

another "Boomers didn't start the fire" responsibility diversion ploy.

listen, you dumbasses: this was stupid when Billy Joel wrote the song in the 80s. repeating it doesn't make it true, nor does it make it exculpatory.

it just gets annoying as fuck.

no, not EVERYTHING is your fault.

you know why 'everything' isn't your fault?

because Boomers aren't that fucking important, that's why.

jeezus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Blogger peppermint88 March 29, 2016 1:26 AM  

Civil Rights was passed in 1964. This law made it illegal to employ anyone with right of the Overton window opinions on race, sex, and now sexual orientation, gender identity, and national origin.

This law has been in effect since the Boomers were children when they were taught to consider the state of their souls before they consider the state of the world.

Any description of what has happened in US politics since 1964 that ignores the effects of this law is like a description of politics since 2010 that ignores the effects of the Internet.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 29, 2016 1:29 AM  

Rumpole5, I confess: I never thought to compare Boomers to Hitler and Stalin but now that you mention it...

And yes, Boomers were by far the most prolific slayers of their own children in US history. The annual body count doubled through the 1970s and peaked when the in the middle of the final childbearing decade of the Boomers.

It has fallen ever since.

No one slew children in the US as efficiently and prolifically as the Boomer generation. Guess they had to be #1 in something.

Anonymous JamesD March 29, 2016 1:30 AM  

I don't think women shut anything down. They're worse sluts than ever. What I think did change though is that they decided there wasn't much reason to have sex with betas, even ones they were married to.
You know what else came out in the aughts? Anti-depressants. I wonder if there's a correlation.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 29, 2016 1:40 AM  

One of the problems with Millennials and X'ers is that they have no historical sense. They're incapable of understanding that while it might seem like society changed overnight that's not what happened.

And yet we have comments like this:

Civil Rights was passed in 1964...This law has been in effect since the Boomers were children...Any description of what has happened in US politics since 1964 that ignores the effects of this law...

History didn't start in 1964. A bad law was passed that year. Change it. Use some of those mad history skillz to realize you can strike bad laws off the books.
For fuck's sake - change shit when it's broken.

I think here we get to something near to the root of what makes Boomers so insufferable. They think they're rebels, but they've never been brave enough to change course from what their parents laid out for them. All the rebel posing was just window dressing. Junior bitching about the P's, but going along with the program anyway so he doesn't get his allowance cut or the keys to the oldsmobuick taken away.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 29, 2016 1:49 AM  

You know what else came out in the aughts? Anti-depressants. I wonder if there's a correlation.

Very likely, though I think the low-fat diet fad was also disastrous for the health and SMV of both sexes. Not enough fat intake hampers production of all sorts of important chemicals, including Testosterone. It makes men gammas and women fat. And sex... rare.

The Pill screws with hormones too, for that matter. And so do anti-depressants.

Talk about your superfund site - the Cuyahoga River had nothing on average modern American bloodstream.

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