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Tuesday, March 08, 2016

Michigan tonight

This is your open thread to discuss the Michigan and other primaries today. As before, the best place to track the results as they come in is at Decision Desk.

Trump has won Michigan and Mississippi.

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Blogger Sean March 08, 2016 3:38 PM  

In a previous thread I questioned whether Trump is a true alpha or another rank that has adopted alpha methods. It would seem off the bat a dumb question, but some of the stories I've heard about his obsession over slights last years and way past any normal dispute should go. For years he will send a person newspaper clipping and the like over some perceived slight. This doesn't seem like an alpha trait.

Are alpha's normally that obsessive over slights and carry grudges for years with people who are clearly his inferiors.

I'm genuinely curious, I'm not trying to bash Trump. The hand thing is bizarre if you look into the history of it.

If it turns out he isn't an alpha like most assume, but a lower rank pretending to be an alpha does that change how we think he will govern?

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 3:44 PM  

@Sean

If Trump shows up to Thursday's debate and handles it like the previous two debates, then I think you might be on to something. Surely an alpha would not fall for the same trick three times in a row.

OpenID sigbouncer March 08, 2016 3:53 PM  

Roger Stone ‏@RogerJStoneJr 23m23 minutes ago

Neil Bush who defrauded US Taxpayers out of millions endorses @TedCruz @BushCrimes #Silverado


Eric Swerdlin ‏@ericswerdlin 12m12 minutes ago

@CNN @JebBush @tedcruz Of course, Neil Mallon Bush was a director of #Silverado the bank that cost the taxpayers $1.3 billion. #figures


Roger Stone ‏@RogerJStoneJr 21m21 minutes ago

Neil Bush who peddled influence for the Chinese govt for the use of Chinese hookers endorses @tedcruz @BushCrimes


http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bush-family-member-endorses-cruz-220433 …

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 3:56 PM  

Alpha.

Who the hell else is he going to hold grudges against? He has no peers.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 3:59 PM  

I don't think Trump supporters are in any position to be casting aspersions on others' endorsements.

Blogger mistaben March 08, 2016 4:02 PM  

Right, because the average Trump supporter has done FAR worse than defraud taxpayers out of billions of dollars.

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 4:03 PM  

Check out a list of big wigs who recently attended a stop-the-Trump meeting.

"The main topic at the closed-to-the-press confab? How to stop Republican front-runner Donald Trump," Huff Post writes. Here's a list of attendees:

* Apple CEO Tim Cook,
* Google co-founder Larry Page,
* Napster creator and Facebook investor Sean Parker,
* Tesla Motors and SpaceX honcho Elon Musk
* Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.),
* political guru Karl Rove,
* House Speaker Paul Ryan,
* GOP Sens. Tom Cotton (Ark.), Cory Gardner (Colo.), Tim Scott (S.C.), Rob Portman (Ohio) and Ben Sasse (Neb.),
* Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Fred Upton (Mich.),
* Rep. Kevin Brady (Texas)
* Kevin McCarthy (Calif.),
* Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.),
* Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-Ga.),
* Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (Texas)
* Diane Black (Tenn.)


Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 4:03 PM  

Hi Matt! How's your weiner?

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 4:05 PM  

Re: the previous comment. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this. We went from having to beat Hillary and the dems as our greatest objective to having to defeat Trump.

OpenID sigbouncer March 08, 2016 4:08 PM  

"Hi Matt! How's your weiner?"

Not another Matt Edwards sausage fest.

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2016 4:09 PM  

11B wrote:Re: the previous comment. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this. We went from having to beat Hillary and the dems as our greatest objective to having to defeat Trump.

It should become obvious from these reports that Mr. Cruz is very much seen as a controllable insider pretending to be an outsider by the kingmakers, especially with the giant hooks Goldman Sachs has into him.

Anonymous lightbetrayer March 08, 2016 4:11 PM  

Voted in mi. High turn out, by 3pm almost 500 votes. 500 is average for an election. I voted Bernie. I am fine with either Trump or Cruz. Hopefully the dem establishment can shoot itself in the foot as badly as the Republican.

Blogger Booch Paradise March 08, 2016 4:15 PM  

@sean
I doubt he could be a fake for 2 reasons. One is that he's so good off the cuff. Obama gave the impression that he had a higher rank than he actually does, but he did it through extremely careful media management. Trump doesn't seem to need to do that. Doing things like take on the entire crowd during a debate, and winning, would strongly indicate that it's ingrained.

The other reason is that even if it is learned behavior, having done it for so long at such a high level, it'd be ingrained at this point anyway.

But if he is a fake, it would certainly change my view. If he gets elected and then completely fails to build a wall, that'll be a blow to his status and vanity. If he's just faking it, then he might not care. But being the real deal, I would think he does.

Blogger Student in Blue March 08, 2016 4:16 PM  

Voted in mi. High turn out, by 3pm almost 500 votes. 500 is average for an election. I voted Bernie. I am fine with either Trump or Cruz. Hopefully the dem establishment can shoot itself in the foot as badly as the Republican.

Maybe, but given the superdelegates that Hillary has... it looks pretty uphill for Bernie either way.

Blogger Student in Blue March 08, 2016 4:26 PM  

@Sean
In a previous thread I questioned whether Trump is a true alpha or another rank that has adopted alpha methods. It would seem off the bat a dumb question, but some of the stories I've heard about his obsession over slights last years and way past any normal dispute should go. For years he will send a person newspaper clipping and the like over some perceived slight. This doesn't seem like an alpha trait.
Consider this post right here.

Blogger White Devil March 08, 2016 4:28 PM  

I don't think Trump supporters are in any position to be casting aspersions on others' endorsements.
We don't care.

Blogger praetorian March 08, 2016 4:32 PM  

Let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Trump supporters aren't able to cast aspersions. Trump supporters know exactly how to cast aspersions.

Anonymous New guy in town March 08, 2016 4:41 PM  

Cast my vote in Mi for Trump then got into a conversation with people at my kids school about Trump. Many feel he is the embodiment of the anger at the system.

Anonymous patrick kelly March 08, 2016 4:44 PM  

Yeah, we don't always cast, but when we do, it's aspersions all the way down.

Anonymous patrick kelly March 08, 2016 4:47 PM  

@ "does that change how we think he will govern?"

I don't care how he governs. I want him to kill the republican party.

Anonymous Ollie March 08, 2016 4:53 PM  

Here in Florida, I have met a 2:1:1 ratio of Republican voters who are respectively Trump,Non-Trump,Not-Sure. I have worked very hard to get folks in the Non-Trump and especially the Not-Sure camps on the Trump train. My own dad told me he's afraid of voting for Trump because he wants a good future for me and my family.
I told him:

A. Trump is the only one not owned by and beholden to the neocons, who are chomping at the bit to drag us into war with Russia and Iran. Moreover, Trump would rather negotiate than bomb. He wants to work with Putin and doesn't see him as a threat, unlike the bomb happy blowhards on the rest of the GOP ticket.

B. Trump is the only one even remotely interested in Latin American cartel gangsters and ISIS sleeper refugees from getting into the country.

C. Trump is the only one who can stop the rising tide of H1-B technocoolies who are going to eventually make it virtually impossible to find a job in my field.

Bottom line, I told him, Trump maybe isn't perfect, but he's the only thing standing between the futures of his children/grandchildren and poverty/violence/possibly oblivion.

Blogger Sean Carnegie March 08, 2016 4:54 PM  

If you were sitting at the dinner table and were trying to scheme the destruction of the GOP, could you do better than Trump is? With the news that techies and the brass are meeting plus the release by Baier today that Repubs would actually vote for Killary instead, what is there really left to save?

Anonymous Ollie March 08, 2016 4:57 PM  

IMHO, the media portrayal of Trump as a

1. Loose Cannon
2. Con-man

are currently the most effective things keeping people on the fence from supporting him.

Once you diffuse these objections, it doesn't take much to win them over, especially when you start pointing out the flaws in the rest of the field.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 5:00 PM  

@5 Matt Edwards

I don't think Trump supporters are in any position to be casting aspersions on others' endorsements.
---

Bush family = bad news. We can joke around about Blubberin' Beck and Bruce Gender. But the Bush bunch is serious establishment, and serious danger zone.

Blogger RobertT March 08, 2016 5:01 PM  

1. Sean.

Chateau had a post on this subject photos w/ jack nicolson & warren beatty.
Here ... https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/12/29/spot-the-super-alpha/

Anonymous rienzi March 08, 2016 5:01 PM  

Anyone who has pissed off corrupt Mexican politicians, a cartel drug-lord, the vice-chancellor of Germany, assorted limey MP's,
Hillary Clinton, the GOPe, the entire media establishment, and a passle of lefty IT billionaires must be doing something right.

By their enemies shall you know them.

Go Trump. Ya already got my vote here in FL.

Blogger Rantor March 08, 2016 5:02 PM  

I voted Trump last week in VA. People in office tired of debate foolishness but several feel that if it comes down to Trump Hillary, they will vote Trump. One of these is a moderate Dem. It is my sincere hope that the youth feel the same way.

As for so called Conservatives, if they voted for NE Liberal Romney and refuse to vote Trump they are irrational Cuckservatives.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 March 08, 2016 5:22 PM  

@14 If Hillary wins by Super Delegates, the white flight from the DNC will be substantial.

Really all those "bad" things Trump said about Hispanics and Muslims will be in the past and if there were another terrorist attack it would just validate them. Outside of that he just sounds like a social moderate, anti-globalist which should in theory be right at home with a lot of dem whites.

Anonymous BGKB March 08, 2016 5:23 PM  

Trump alpha? Daily News, 1991 - Mugger's Trumped, Donald stops attack http://82.221.129.208/trumpmugger.jpg

Anonymous cheddarman March 08, 2016 5:26 PM  

Matt have you considered a career in porno given your natural gifting

Blogger CarpeOro March 08, 2016 5:30 PM  

@23

A toss up. The attacks by Romney may rank as a higher positive support for Trump. True, the media has lost credibility with people but Romney waiting until this point to dump on Trump? Looks like pile on from a used car salesman.

Blogger Chiva March 08, 2016 5:40 PM  

I don't think Trump supporters are in any position to be casting aspersions on others' endorsements.

Your casting aspersions on those you accuse of casting aspersions is casing me to seek my safe space.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie March 08, 2016 5:53 PM  

Like a good many I'm ambivalent. I would love to see the Gophers put down. But between Trump, Cruz and Rubio. Well Rubio is not my cup of tea so to speak. Cruz has always come across as a sneak. I can't stand his expressions. He's certainly running a dirty campaign while blaming his volunteers. None of the others had problems with nasty rumors from the ranks just before or during a caucus or primary voting. His constantly saying the main stream media has a lot of dirt on Trump and his taxes. Cheap shots it's almost guaranteed there is dirt somewhere just by the complexity of Trump's tax returns.

That said I guess it's Trump, pass the popcorn

HKC

Anonymous Sick Duck March 08, 2016 6:01 PM  

The single largest consitutency Sanders has is young white men; what few there are in the Democratic party. And speaking as a young white man myself, albeit a Clinton supporter, I feel safe in saying that we are the single most coddled and protected large-scale demographic group in history. Generations of previous young white men grew older, took the reins of power, and used them to make the most powerful country on earth and make it an absolute safe haven for young white men.

We have so much less to worry about than other people, its absurd. And most of us have nothing personally to worry about from a Republican administration; in fact, a lot of us would end up personally better off. (That's why not too many young white men are Democrats in the first place.) And that makes it very easy for us to be selfish if we don't get our first choice, Sanders for most of us, and start talking about staying home or voting third party; because having a Republican in office isn't a risk for most us. But it is a risk for most other Democrats, and that's why they don't go on these rants about letting the country get worse to try to prove a point.

Blogger Noah B March 08, 2016 6:03 PM  

OT: The Queen is backing #Brexit

Anonymous TS March 08, 2016 6:14 PM  

"Trump alpha? Daily News, 1991 - Mugger's Trumped, Donald stops attack http://82.221.129.208/trumpmugger.jpg"

It's doubtful you would find many billionaires jumping out of their limo to stop a mugging.

Blogger SciVo March 08, 2016 6:16 PM  

Sean wrote:Are alpha's normally that obsessive over slights and carry grudges for years with people who are clearly his inferiors.

Well Sean, would they agree that they are clearly his inferiors? Would their friends? How far outside New York do you have to get to find an objective observer who would agree?

The original insult was a Linguistic Kill Shot (as Scott Adams calls them) of the highest level of skill. If the crafter was not an alpha, then he was at least a Master Persuader and a very real threat.

I find it amusing how other people have latched onto it without any understanding and used their own pathetic phrasing. There is an entire cargo cult of wit now that has formed around insulting Donald Trump's hands.

Truly, I could not live in more interesting times.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 6:21 PM  

Oh, this is beautiful.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/08/trump-rants-terrorize-u-s-muslim-capital.html

"DEARBORN, Michigan — Among the halal restaurants, the meat markets, and the hookah bars of this working-class Detroit suburb, the topic of Donald Trump is terrorizing the local population."

"The idea that Trump might one day be president is enough to send some of its inhabitants to the madhouse—or, alternatively, Canada (pledges to move north if he is elected have spiked, locals say).

Anonymous Soarted Foot March 08, 2016 6:24 PM  

"Hopefully the dem establishment can shoot itself in the foot as badly as the Republican."

One thing Dems have demonstrated over and over is their ability to be disciplined, no matter the message.

I honestly don't think Trunp has a chance against Clinton. The only candidate with higher negatives than her is Trump. And Cruz. Shit, they will feast on him and his narrow appeal.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 08, 2016 6:26 PM  

I got Republican ballot #405 in my sleepy little village polling place just before noon.  No idea how many people voted Dem, but both Shrillary and Sanders have been running radio ads.

There was also a recall petition for a state senator who pushed in a tax increase that had been rejected on a previous plebiscite.  Naturally, I signed it.

@36 Anything that returns Dearbornistan to America has my support.

Blogger SciVo March 08, 2016 6:27 PM  

CarpeOro wrote:The attacks by Romney may rank as a higher positive support for Trump.

Already confirmed: Mitt Romney Helped Donald Trump

Blogger Sean Carnegie March 08, 2016 6:30 PM  

@36

Well, doesn't that coincide nicely with the announcement that immigration quotas have been increased 45,000 for this upcoming year.

Anyone know where a pro-American Canadian can go hide after The Trumpening?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 6:32 PM  

Super Cuckster Supreme Erick Erickson wants Narco Lubio out in favor of Felito:

http://theresurgent.com/marco-rubio-needs-to-get-out-now-because-nevertrump-is-becoming-trumpguaranteed/

Blogger pyrrhus March 08, 2016 6:34 PM  

@35 Trump already paying dividends...

Blogger Sean March 08, 2016 6:34 PM  

@35 The hand thing predates the debate. It goes back 25 years. I've heard he does this with other reporters too. Just doesn't seem like alpha behavior. Very insecure and weird.

"Like so many bullies, Trump has skin of gossamer. He thinks nothing of saying the most hurtful thing about someone else, but when he hears a whisper that runs counter to his own vainglorious self-image, he coils like a caged ferret. Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump. There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers. I almost feel sorry for the poor fellow because, to me, the fingers still look abnormally stubby. The most recent offering arrived earlier this year, before his decision to go after the Republican presidential nomination. Like the other packages, this one included a circled hand and the words, also written in gold Sharpie: “See, not so short!” I sent the picture back by return mail with a note attached, saying, “Actually, quite short.” Which I can only assume gave him fits."

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump

Blogger Sam Lively March 08, 2016 6:35 PM  

Conservative Review is in the bag for Cruz but they've been pretty solid on primary predictions this year.

They are predicting Trump +5 points in Michigan (Kasich 2nd), +1 in both Mississippi (Cruz 2nd) and Hawaii (Rubio 2nd) and Cruz a +9 in Idaho (Trump 2nd).

Seems pretty reasonable to me after Saturday.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 6:40 PM  


"Are you a Rubio supporter?" I asked the 60-something gentleman.

"No. I'm just here to see the train wreck."

http://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2016/03/08/the-rubio-rally-that-wasnt-n2130095

Anonymous johnc March 08, 2016 6:40 PM  

@42 The hand thing predates the debate. It goes back 25 years. I've heard he does this with other reporters too. Just doesn't seem like alpha behavior. Very insecure and weird.

Definitely alpha but also narcissistic psychopath.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 6:40 PM  

Our illustrious host has publicly declined to make predictions, but it's not too late for the rest of us. I'm already on the record from the other thread.
Are there any other MEN in here? Is there no one to even *challenge* me?

Blogger Billy March 08, 2016 6:47 PM  

Make us proud Mississippi.Vote Trump, Deo Vindice!

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 6:47 PM  

22. Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 5:00 PM
Bush family = bad news. We can joke around about Blubberin' Beck and Bruce Gender. But the Bush bunch is serious establishment, and serious danger zone.

Normally, I would agree with you, but Neil Bush? Who the fuck is Neil Bush? Somebody managed to dredge up some relation of the Bush family (not hard; I hear there's a lot of them) and I'm supposed to know who it is or care?
I just hope no distant relation of the Kennedys endorses anybody!

Blogger James Dixon March 08, 2016 6:48 PM  

> Trump supporters know exactly how to cast aspersions.

Aspersions are the best bait for catching carp.

> I honestly don't think Trunp has a chance against Clinton.

We've heard it all before. One thing you can always be sure of is that if the media says someone is the worst candidate to run against the Dem's they're lying.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 6:48 PM  

latest national poll from NBC/WSJ:

30% - Trump
27% - Cruz
22% - Kasich
20% - Rubio

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 6:48 PM  

Matt, pretty sure Neil was the one involved with those huge S&L fiascos back in the day.

Blogger SciVo March 08, 2016 6:49 PM  

Soarted Foot wrote:I honestly don't think Trunp has a chance against Clinton. The only candidate with higher negatives than her is Trump. And Cruz. Shit, they will feast on him and his narrow appeal.

You aren't looking at the strategical situation. The election is half a year away, and the parties haven't even chosen their candidates yet. Partisan memeticists have been largely holding back in order to keep from damaging a candidate too soon and letting the other party choose a stronger candidate.

The Uniparty has been attacking Trump hard. They don't want Sanders either; but the Dems have the Superdelegates to take care of that, and he can't brand opponents like Trump can.

And even if you'd like knock Rodham out, you can't do it too soon, or TPTB might somehow find a way to tag her out.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 6:50 PM  

28. cheddarman March 08, 2016 5:26 PM
Matt have you considered a career in porno given your natural gifting[?]
I tried, but the hordes of beautiful sluts said I was "too beaucoup."

Anonymous jla March 08, 2016 6:51 PM  

No thanks Matt, you seem challenge enough as it is.

Blogger Sam Lively March 08, 2016 6:51 PM  

@50

That's actually a jump for Trump for the previous outlier-ish WSJ poll that was the first to put Cruz in the lead nationally.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 6:52 PM  

Bruce Jenner doesn't have that many friends, Matt.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 6:54 PM  

Remember that Mexican goon reporter Jorge Ramos - who was tossed out of a Trump press conference back in the day?

What's he up to now, you might ask?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/03/08/hbo-orders-one-hour-special-hate-in-america-with-jorge-ramos/

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 6:56 PM  

43. Sam Lively March 08, 2016 6:35 PM
Conservative Review is in the bag for Cruz but they've been pretty solid on primary predictions this year.

They are predicting Trump +5 points in Michigan (Kasich 2nd), +1 in both Mississippi (Cruz 2nd) and Hawaii (Rubio 2nd) and Cruz a +9 in Idaho (Trump 2nd).


Slightly different than me on the percentages, but mostly the same ordering. Same winners, anyway.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 6:56 PM  

For those who think Trump and Teddy will shake hands and join forces:

Hope he's got some handy wipes

Blogger Blackburn #0040 March 08, 2016 6:58 PM  

Matt Edwards wrote:
Are there any other MEN in here? Is there no one to even *challenge* me?


I think Matt is looking for a sword fight. BGKB are you up (heh) for a challenge?

Blogger VD March 08, 2016 6:59 PM  

In a previous thread I questioned whether Trump is a true alpha or another rank that has adopted alpha methods. It would seem off the bat a dumb question, but some of the stories I've heard about his obsession over slights last years and way past any normal dispute should go. For years he will send a person newspaper clipping and the like over some perceived slight. This doesn't seem like an alpha trait.

That's because you don't understand what an Alpha is.

Are alpha's normally that obsessive over slights and carry grudges for years with people who are clearly his inferiors.

Yes. A Mega Alpha like Trump has to punch down. Who else can he punch? And you seem to think Alphas are indifferent to things. That's absurd. Alphas are highly attuned to social signals and care greatly about them. That's why they rule their roosts.

It's the Sigmas and Omegas who don't give a damn. They don't want to run anything and they know they don't belong.

I constantly have run-ins with Alphas because they can't stand the fact that I don't genuinely submit to them. Even when I go through the customary motions, they don't believe it. I suspect that is because they can sense that I don't take the social rituals seriously.

Blogger VD March 08, 2016 7:01 PM  

Are there any other MEN in here? Is there no one to even *challenge* me?

I prithee nay! For thou art the finesteth swordsman in all the Internet, Noble Sir. I tip my fedora to you.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 7:01 PM  

Trying to paint Cruz as an Establishment guy because some Establishment dweeb endorses him over Trump is as silly as assuming Trump is a racist White supremist because David Duke endorsed him. And someone like Glen Beck claiming Ted has a mandate from God is a far, far cry from Ted Cruz claiming it for himself. If God is in the bag for Cruz, then what's there to worry about for Cruz supporters?

Attempting to tarnish candidates because of who happens to endorse them, or who dislikes them is just ignorant. (Unless someone is really making their mind up to keep Miley Cyrus from leaving the country, in which case, pity is the right response.)

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:03 PM  

62. VD
My record stands at 3 for 3 (I declined to predict Maine). We'll see what it is after tonight.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 7:04 PM  

@55.

Yes, it is a bump for Trump from 26% to 30%, and a drop for Cruz from 28% to 27%, which is statistically insignificant. I think Ben Carson's voters migrated to Trump from when the last poll was taken, Cruz has stayed about even. The big jump is Kasich jumping up to 22%, and Rubio falling to last place.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 7:05 PM  

@48 Matt Edwards

I just hope no distant relation of the Kennedys endorses anybody!
---

Wait, isn't the Governator married to one of the Kennedy clan?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/arnold-schwarzenegger-endorses-john-kasich/index.html

Blogger Billy March 08, 2016 7:08 PM  

Rudy Giuliani endorsed Trump today. Honestly I think he's the only GOP candidate who has any chance of winning New York.
Drudge ran the article, liberal tech giants meet with high level Republican's to discuss strategy to defeat Trump. Like George Wallace said "There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican parties."

Blogger praetorian March 08, 2016 7:09 PM  

I think we've let Matt shit up enough threads to establish his severe daddy issues.

Mods?

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:09 PM  

By the way, I think I figured out why Trump was calling for Rubio to get out, and it has little to do with Florida:

He sees a string of high-delegate Northeastern states coming up, and thinks (probably correctly) that he has a large advantage. Calling for a "fair fight" is misdirection, since that's not what he's expecting. He wants the *appearance* of a fair fight without actually having one.

If he walks away with a YUGE number of delegates after that, it promotes the view that he has natural momentum instead of just regional appeal.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 08, 2016 7:10 PM  

praetorian wrote:Let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Trump supporters aren't able to cast aspersions. Trump supporters know exactly how to cast aspersions.

JaimieinTexas. Is that a top water lure or a diver?

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:11 PM  

P.S. That's why he only called for Rubio to get out: it won't give Cruz enough votes in the Northeast to challenge Trump. Kasich will split the remainder of the vote, letting Trump still win.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 7:11 PM  

Trump is so obviously an Alpha, it's pathetic to even question it. Cruz is not Alpha, but he's not Beta either. He may have worked his way up through the system, but he was always doing it on his terms. He's a loner...a Sigma.

Rubio is the obvious Beta. I'm not sure how many Delta's would ever even choose to run for office. It doesn't seem to be a natural fit for an average Joe to run for office.

I think a lot of people misunderstand Beta, and act like it's an insult. Beta's are still pretty high status, just not at the top. Gamma's are the pretenders - mainly because they don't even seem to have the self-awareness to know who they are.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:12 PM  

66. Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 7:05 PM
Wait, isn't the Governator married to one of the Kennedy clan?
Not after he dicked the maid.

Blogger Billy March 08, 2016 7:13 PM  

"The big jump is Kasich jumping up to 22%, and Rubio falling to last place."
The story isn't weakness with the Trump campaign. The story is Little Rubio falling apart, along with Carson dropping out. Cruzman and Kasich have benefited from the voter shift of Rubio and Carson support.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 7:14 PM  

@63 Scott6584

Trying to paint Cruz as an Establishment guy because some Establishment dweeb endorses him over Trump is as silly as assuming Trump is a racist White supremist because David Duke endorsed him.
--

Not that I give a damn, but From the horses mouth

But anyway, Trump disavows such things.

Will Tundra Teddy disavow the establishment as they start lining up behind him?

I think not. If he does, I'll down a shot of Canadian Mist, after finishing a Cuban Sandwich.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 08, 2016 7:14 PM  

Just a Christian doesn't mean "good", alpha doesn't mean "has his shit together" or "supreme in every way", but rather "top of the hierarchy." You can be a real shitheel and still be an alpha. I remember a guy I saw when I was in court for a traffic ticket. He was there on charges of providing alcohol to minors. I was talking to him before the judge showed up.
No job, no money, not even a car. previous convictions for burglary, robber, small-time drug charges. But the honeys were crazy for him. He was accompanied to his court date by 3 extremely hot girls, none over 17. Youngest looked to be about 15.
Definitely Alpha. Just not a decent person in any way.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 7:16 PM  

Wait, isn't the Governator married to one of the Kennedy clan?
Not after he dicked the maid.

Which brings us back to Bill Burr, and gold-digging whores...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:16 PM  

68. praetorian March 08, 2016 7:09 PM
I think we've let Matt shit up enough threads to establish his severe daddy issues.

Mods?


If only there were a way to ban me, without my knowing it...something where my posts wouldn't appear to anybody else, pushing me into the "shadows."

Blogger Billy March 08, 2016 7:17 PM  

I think we've let Matt shit up enough threads to establish his severe daddy issues.

Mods?

Man, I tell ya, hows he do it. Between sitting around playing with his 12' cock and commenting here, that doesn't leave time for nothing else.

Blogger James Dixon March 08, 2016 7:17 PM  

> I prithee nay! For thou art the finesteth swordsman in all the Internet, Noble Sir. I tip my fedora to you.

You know Vox, I think editing JCW has improved your writing. :)

Blogger SciVo March 08, 2016 7:17 PM  

Matt Edwards wrote:P.S. That's why he only called for Rubio to get out: it won't give Cruz enough votes in the Northeast to challenge Trump. Kasich will split the remainder of the vote, letting Trump still win.

No, you sperg. Kusich doesn't even have a tenth the delegates of Rubio. By calling on Rubio to drop out and ignoring Kasich, he was treating that latter like he was already gone. And taking Kasich out of voters' mindspace might help him in Ohio, which has been polling close.

Blogger SciVo March 08, 2016 7:19 PM  

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Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:20 PM  

79. Billy March 08, 2016 7:17 PM
Man, I tell ya, hows he do it. Between sitting around playing with his 12' cock and commenting here, that doesn't leave time for nothing else.

The amount of time my cock requires is directly proportional to the length.

Blogger Sam Lively March 08, 2016 7:20 PM  

@72

I tried to make the case for Cruz as half an Omega in the last thread. From what I understand of Vox' heirarchy, I don't think Sigmas are supposed to have the creepy vibe to go along with their independent a-hole persona.

Blogger James Dixon March 08, 2016 7:21 PM  

> I think we've let Matt shit up enough threads to establish his severe daddy issues. ... Mods?

As long as he obeys the rules of the blog and doesn't get Vox too irked, he's free to post. That's the way it works here.

Blogger Billy March 08, 2016 7:21 PM  

"No job, no money, not even a car. previous convictions for burglary, robber, small-time drug charges. But the honeys were crazy for him. He was accompanied to his court date by 3 extremely hot girls, none over 17."

Simple- The guy is providing the girls drugs. At least around here you see it happen.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 08, 2016 7:22 PM  

@ Matt Edwards.

Jim Stone and a lot of other "kooky conspiracy theorists" predicted or noticed through their web spiders that Cruz shills like you would be sent everywhere on the Web via Tel Aviv.

Lo and behold, even on Vox Populi, a rather obscure area of the Web....YOU suddenly show up....

What a.....Cohencidence.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:22 PM  

81. SciVo March 08, 2016 7:17 PM
By calling on Rubio to drop out and ignoring Kasich, he was treating that latter like he was already gone. And taking Kasich out of voters' mindspace might help him in Ohio, which has been polling close.

This is also a reasonable interpretation.

Anonymous johnc March 08, 2016 7:26 PM  

@75 But anyway, Trump disavows such things.

Will Tundra Teddy disavow the establishment as they start lining up behind him?


Trump has any number of endorsements from establishment politicians... Chris Christie, Rudy Guiliani now, Scott Brown, Paul LePage, plus a whole bunch of insiders that I've never even heard of. I wouldn't expect him to disavow any of these endorsements.

If the GOPe really wanted to end Trump they could do it within two weeks using a simple Microsoft tactic: embrace, extend, extinguish. The fact that they haven't is evidence that they're either dumber than a box of rocks, or don't feel as threatened by him as people think they do.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:26 PM  

87. Takin' a Look March 08, 2016 7:22 PM
@ Matt Edwards.

Jim Stone and a lot of other "kooky conspiracy theorists" predicted or noticed through their web spiders that Cruz shills like you would be sent everywhere on the Web via Tel Aviv.

Lo and behold, even on Vox Populi, a rather obscure area of the Web....YOU suddenly show up....

What a.....Cohencidence.


I'll take the shortcut to this line of questioning and simply ask, "What proof could I present to you in this forum that would disprove your theory? Is there ANY?"
Because if not, it's not worth my time to address self-reinforcing delusions.

Blogger VD March 08, 2016 7:27 PM  

I tried to make the case for Cruz as half an Omega in the last thread. From what I understand of Vox' heirarchy, I don't think Sigmas are supposed to have the creepy vibe to go along with their independent a-hole persona.

No chance. Sigmas can not only be creepy, they can be downright alarming. But it's not a Gamma "blech, get it off me!" creepy, it's usually more of a "I find him attractive, I hope he's not a serial killer" creepy.

For example, Ted Bundy was a Sigma.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 08, 2016 7:27 PM  

Takin' a Look wrote:Jim Stone and a lot of other "kooky conspiracy theorists" predicted or noticed through their web spiders that Cruz shills like you would be sent everywhere on the Web via Tel Aviv.

Can Matt Edwards be demonstrated to be xmitting from a secret IDF bunker?

Blogger VD March 08, 2016 7:28 PM  

I'll take the shortcut to this line of questioning and simply ask, "What proof could I present to you in this forum that would disprove your theory? Is there ANY?"

Well, I'd find it convincing if you told us you don't believe the Holocaust ever happened and that the Palestinians deserve their land back.

Blogger ruastatist2 March 08, 2016 7:31 PM  

Four votes for the Trumpening from my house with two first timers that were desperate to vote for Trump along with most of their friends. Rubio trips the gaydar before the DEW line, Cruz is a wonky lawyer, Hildabeast is just like every shrilll lunch lady they've known. Bernie is running close 2nd amongsst them. There is hope!

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 08, 2016 7:33 PM  

@ johnc

The microsoft tactic won't work here. This isn't tech, this is Americans, 1.0 and up to 2.0 rejecting the SJW 2.5 and Hoyt 3.0

Gobbledegook tech isn't the same as being fucked sideways in the ass, no lube, with a stainless steel tiger dick over:mortgages, groceries, gas, jobs, high-trust communities and so many other Unwritten Social Contracts.

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 7:33 PM  

Drudge's twitter account suggests Trump will win big.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 08, 2016 7:36 PM  

Billy wrote:Simple- The guy is providing the girls drugs. At least around here you see it happen.

Well, obviously. But these were the kind of girls that don't know that liquor or drugs cost money.

Blogger Noah B March 08, 2016 7:36 PM  

Well, I'd find it convincing if you told us you don't believe the Holocaust ever happened and that the Palestinians deserve their land back.

Low bar. Even then there are still the multiple crypto-homosexual MUH DIKs

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 08, 2016 7:37 PM  

"Make us proud Mississippi.Vote Trump, Deo Vindice"
Did my part.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 7:38 PM  

Matt Edwards wrote:79. Billy March 08, 2016 7:17 PM

Man, I tell ya, hows he do it. Between sitting around playing with his 12' cock and commenting here, that doesn't leave time for nothing else.

The amount of time my cock requires is directly proportional to the length.


Which is why little boys run around holding theirs all the time, I guess. Or did I misunderstand?

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:39 PM  

93. VD March 08, 2016 7:28 PM
Well, I'd find it convincing if you told us you don't believe the Holocaust ever happened and that the Palestinians deserve their land back.

You'll have to learn to live with the disappointment, because I don't believe either of those things (though, maybe I'm the *tiniest* bit more sympathetic to the second).

Blogger Sam Lively March 08, 2016 7:42 PM  

@91

Cruz' creepiness problem strikes me as more of the nose-wrinkling variety than that of a mesmerizing serial killer.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 7:43 PM  

Honestly, I don't get the "Rubio is gay schtick." Did I miss something?

I don't like the guy, but calling him gay seems exceedingly juvenile.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett March 08, 2016 7:43 PM  

@63 You were a lot more fun railing against the peculiar institution and bragging about having a 2 story house.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 7:44 PM  

That's not disappointment, you nut. That's confirmation, shill.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:45 PM  

104. Hezekiah Garrett March 08, 2016 7:43 PM
@63 You were a lot more fun railing against the peculiar institution and bragging about having a 2 story house.
I'm not sure which institution you're referring to, and I don't own a house. OTOH, I was pretty drunk the other night. I don't remember everything I said.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 7:47 PM  

No, no, no, check out the video of young Cruz joking about ruling the world and starring in nudie movies.

Bundyesque.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:47 PM  

105. VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 7:44 PM
That's not disappointment, you nut. That's confirmation, shill.

Et tu, VFM #6306? Et tu?

Anonymous BGKB March 08, 2016 7:49 PM  

First there was Hookers for HilLIARy now there is Illegals against Order
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/us/trumps-rise-spurs-latino-immigrants-to-naturalize-to-vote-against-him.html?emc=eta1&_r=1

I think Matt is looking for a sword fight. BGKB are you up (heh) for a challenge?

Turns out Matty is smaller than Russel Brand, check out Milo's personal twitter @Caligula to see.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 7:50 PM  

What about the stuff you wrote? You got so drunk you can't read now?

The peculiar institution is slavery. Egads, you are amusing Matt.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 08, 2016 7:50 PM  

@ Matt Edwards

You're right, aside from free-lance, totally uninvolved except for shared views, governments, corporations, organizations and ideologues NEVER,EVER pay people to sniff around online for particular self-serving purposes.

We ALL know this right? Megaphone is a figment of wayback machine imagination....

RIGHT?!?! I need my safe space if it isn't.

Anonymous VFM 5058 March 08, 2016 7:51 PM  

Cast my vote in MI for Trump.

I know that 50% of the population of Detroit, which is 84% African-american, is illiterate, and I would assume that nearby Dearborn, home of Ford Motor Co and whose population of 95,000 is comprised of 30% arabic speaking muslim invaders, are also likely to be English language impaired.

I heard that in those polling precincts, they've borrowed those cash registers with food pictures they use at McDonalds and converted them to voting machines. That way one doesn't even have to read English, just push the picture of the desired candidate to cast a vote. Its the new Common Core.

I also wonder how many illegals are actually voting here in this election. Several years ago my wife, a permanent resident alien, received a voter registration card in the mail from the Secretary of State. My wife has never attempted to register to vote so this was initially a bit of a mystery.

If my alien wife actually does vote, that is a felony and she could have her green card revoked, serve jail time, and then be deported.

I finally figured out what happened and that is because when one goes to renew one's driver license, the State employees, who move at the speed of molasses and are typically, in my area, 3001b black women with an attitude, invariably encourages one to register to vote on the spot.

Some zealous State employee had undoubtedly forged my wife's signature and registered her to vote, no doubt so as to get bonus points on their upcoming employee review for racking up the highest voter registrations.











Anonymous BGKB March 08, 2016 7:51 PM  

Honestly, I don't get the "Rubio is gay schtick." Did I miss something? I don't like the guy, but calling him gay seems exceedingly juvenile.

There are pics of a guy that looks like Rubio at a gay foam party, and he was friends with a gay porn star. I was friends with a gay porn star that doesn't mean anything. If he was a gay cocaine snorting Miami Cuban he wouldn't have the second chin

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:52 PM  

110. VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 7:50 PM
What about the stuff you wrote? You got so drunk you can't read now?

The peculiar institution is slavery. Egads, you are amusing Matt.


I didn't go back and read it. I moved on with my life instead.

Blogger Sam Lively March 08, 2016 7:52 PM  

@107

Any examples of famous Omegas to compare with?

Blogger Cicatrizatic March 08, 2016 7:54 PM  

Based on the exit polling for late deciding voters in Michigan, Cruz is getting almost as many late deciders as Kasich. Trump is doing better than expected on that front in getting 1/4 of late deciders. Given that info, I don't think Kasich cracks the 30s in Michigan.

Blogger Billy March 08, 2016 7:56 PM  

@99 John Mosby

Jefferson Davis is smiling down upon you. From high above Beauvoir.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 7:57 PM  

Here's a fun fact I just learned:
Idaho straddles the Pacific and Mountain timezones, but the division is drawn between the Pacific North of the state and Mountain South.
I suppose they'll just hold the results until the North is done, cuz otherwise it would be unfair.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 7:57 PM  

Prior to results tonight, here is the current Republican Delegate count:

887 delegates committed (35.9%), 1585 delegates uncommitted remain (64.1%)

384 (43.3%) - Trump
300 (33.8%) - Cruz
151 (17.0%) - Rubio
37 ( 4.2%) - Kasich
8 ( 0.9%) - Carson
4 ( 0.5%) - Bush
1 ( 0.1%) - Paul
1 ( 0.1%) - Fiorina
1 ( 0.1%) - Huckabee

Blogger VD March 08, 2016 7:57 PM  

Did I miss something?

Yes. The man said he met his wife at a Miami foam party. That's one step up from saying you met your wife in a San Francisco bathhouse.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 8:06 PM  

VD wrote:Did I miss something?

Yes. The man said he met his wife at a Miami foam party. That's one step up from saying you met your wife in a San Francisco bathhouse.


Went online to look at pictures of foam parties, and it seems like there are an awful lot of chicks there. I still don't get the slur, but perhaps I'm just not up to speed on all things gay

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 8:07 PM  

LOL
RCP calls MS for Hillary with 0% reporting.
Couldn't they at least put a little effort into it?

Blogger Cicatrizatic March 08, 2016 8:08 PM  

Trump at 49% in MS exit polls, Cruz at 36%, Rubio and Kasich at 7% each.

When the GOP denies Trump the nomination, MS will lead to rebellion

Blogger tz March 08, 2016 8:11 PM  

@120
Grand Old Foam Party explains much.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 8:14 PM  

So, while we are waiting for the polls to report, if the USA started breaking apart, how many nations would it form, and what states would be a part of the different nations?

I'm from Texas, and think at least Oklahoma would join Texas, and probably Kansas. I think several deep south states join together. Would California split? Obviously, New England, NY, join together. How do you think states in the West and Midwest would fall?

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 8:15 PM  

Another Question: Is the vote really FOR Sanders, or simply AGAINST Hillary?

Blogger Billy March 08, 2016 8:18 PM  

Did I miss something?

He was busted for loitering in park frequented by gays looking for sex.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 08, 2016 8:22 PM  

I voted this afternoon in Battle Creek precinct 6 for Donald J. Trump!

Blogger tz March 08, 2016 8:23 PM  

@125 New England, MI/OH midwest, Appalachia, The new confederacy, Texas, The corn-belt, The Southwest (la raza except it will be fought), the American Redoubt, and west-cascadia.

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2016 8:26 PM  

tz wrote:@125 New England, MI/OH midwest, Appalachia, The new confederacy, Texas, The corn-belt, The Southwest (la raza except it will be fought), the American Redoubt, and west-cascadia.

I hope, for old times sake, as the UP will go to Greater New Somaliland, that the MI-OH Confederacy (which includes Indiana), will position its capital at Toledo. Jeep Wranglers could be the barter currency with other kingdoms.

Anonymous 11b March 08, 2016 8:27 PM  

Unbelievable, Kasich is almost tied with Trump in MI with 14 percent of the vote in. WTF? Kasich?

I am almost thinking it might be better just to let the cucks sink Trump so that the electorate eventually has to progress to the next step beyond elections. This is incredible. Given an opportunity to shake things up and the voters are spitting the bit.

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2016 8:29 PM  

tz wrote:@125 New England, MI/OH midwest, Appalachia, The new confederacy, Texas, The corn-belt, The Southwest (la raza except it will be fought), the American Redoubt, and west-cascadia.

How bloody will the war be between the Minnesota Sharians and the Wisconsin Cheeseheads as the Sharians try to enforce, by force of arms, a ban on pork products in the cheese and sausage province of their great northern empire? Will the Wisconsinites raze Kenosha to deny the Minnesota Sharians a staging ground to attack Milwaukee and Green Bay? Will the Wisconsinite counterpush fail because they use Harley Davidsons, and so they lose all the oil on the ground before getting five miles down the road? Fun times ahead!

Blogger Marie March 08, 2016 8:29 PM  

@125 You really think Kansas would go south?

I almost see it splitting four ways. Which would be dumb because what Kansas has going for it is all those beautiful acres of farmland.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab March 08, 2016 8:31 PM  

Break up along cultural lines. Move those who do not fit to the canton/state/nation/whatever where they do. Let each govern as they wish.

Won't be perfect but might be workable.

Blogger Cicatrizatic March 08, 2016 8:33 PM  

"Unbelievable, Kasich is almost tied with Trump in MI with 14 percent of the vote in. WTF? Kasich?"

With 5% reporting, Trump is winning by 4%. The earliest reporting county was Oakland County, which was already known to be one of Trump's worst and Kasich's best counties. As the votes continue to come in, Trump's lead will grow. By the end of the night, Kasich should drop below 30.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 8:35 PM  

131. 11b March 08, 2016 8:27 PM
Unbelievable, Kasich is almost tied with Trump in MI with 14 percent of the vote in. WTF? Kasich?

RCP has Kasich behind by several percent. It must be those Diebold machines switching votes again!

Anonymous kfg March 08, 2016 8:35 PM  

I've been over my predictions a few times in previous threads.

"I'm from Texas, and think at least Oklahoma would join Texas, and probably Kansas."

That was my prediction.

"Obviously, New England, NY, join together."

As well as PA and NJ.

Then there is what I call Chicagoland, for want of a better name; the industrial blue states.

And Dixie, of course.

"The Southwest. . ."

Which I've been calling New New Mexico, which include the greater part of California.

A bit of the north of which will go with the Pacific Northwest, which stands a good chance of immediately staging a civil war between the liberal coast and the conservative inland.

I've called the Dakotas as fucked, as they have nowhere to go, but cannot stand alone for purely geographical reasons, because MN goes with Chicagoland, denying the Dakotas access to the Great Lakes.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett March 08, 2016 8:37 PM  

@105
Learn to count. Wrong pissant.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2016 8:38 PM  

Here's a fun fact I just learned:
Idaho straddles the Pacific and Mountain timezones, but the division is drawn between the Pacific North of the state and Mountain South.


Wow. We're so impressed, Matty. Now run along, have something to drink and a cookie, this is a grown up discussion.

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 8:39 PM  

With 5% reporting, Trump is winning by 4%.

When I wrote my first post, Drudge Report had Trump 36 to 35 over Kasich and it was linked to Politico. Drudge now has it 38-30 Trump over Kasich.

Shoot, I could live with MI going to Cruz. But Kasich is a cuck. I really hope MI comes through for Trump. I want to keep the wrecking ball moving.

Blogger tz March 08, 2016 8:39 PM  

@130 - definitely. The Mackinac bridge is a divider, the Yoopers are different.
@132 - the MN Sharians will cease to be a problem within 3 months assuming there is no technology to make them appear both visually and vocally like Barbie and Ken. And in a war, the cities are going to be a problem, and the Somali are both dependent and concentrated. The optimal solution are planes headed back to Mogadishu.

Note that concentrations such as in big cities when the grid is compromised will mostly starve, a few will create a golden horde and die (not without much mayhem and annoyance) as they try to not die.

Anonymous Grand Old Foam Party March 08, 2016 8:40 PM  


Grand Old Foam Party explains much.


Yes. Yes, I do, don't I?

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 8:41 PM  

Real Clear Politics has called MS for Trump.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 8:41 PM  

Marie wrote:@125 You really think Kansas would go south?

I almost see it splitting four ways. Which would be dumb because what Kansas has going for it is all those beautiful acres of farmland.


I think Texas would break away by itself first. But I could reasonably see a large middle chunk joining with Texas. Okahoma would join Texas later because Texas and Oklahoma have a big brother/little brother type of relationship.

North Dakota has oil field which need the refineries of Texas. You could get the Dakota's, Nebraska, and Kansas to join together with Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho and Colorado. But they wouldn't have a port. Texas has 5 natural ports: Port Arthur, Houston, Matagorda Bay, Corpus Christi and the mouth of the Rio Grande down by South Padre Island. Those middle states could approach Texas/Oklahoma with a offer to merge in order to get access to those ports. That might even bring along Arizona and New Mexico because of the Hispanic affinity with Texas.

But Texas would break away alone first.

A lot of people don't know this, but the US electrical Grid is divided into 3 parts: The eastern grid, the western grid, and the Texas Grid. Texas also has its own army: the Texas National Guard, and its own Air force. Texas is set up to break away easily. The other states, if they decided to join Texas would come later as a merger.

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 8:44 PM  

Texas also has its own army:

Whose first mission would be to crush Austin.

OpenID sigbouncer March 08, 2016 8:46 PM  

"And someone like Glen Beck claiming Ted has a mandate from God is a far, far cry from Ted Cruz claiming it for himself. If God is in the bag for Cruz, then what's there to worry about for Cruz supporters?"

Maybe you are too young, but Pat Robertson once ran for POTUS because God told him too.

2:25 minute mark of youtube below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-mu67k90o

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 08, 2016 8:47 PM  

Once again, the rumors of Trump's demise were greatly exaggerated.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 8:47 PM  

I remember 1988 just fine. I didn't vote for Robertson.

By the way, even if God told Robertson to run, that's not the same thing as telling him he would win.

Blogger tz March 08, 2016 8:48 PM  

Although I'm generally frugal, I'd pay $50 for a collaboration between James, Westley Rawles and William Lind to do the story of the American Redoubt set in the Victoria timeline. Especially if it would give some strategic tips, much of the prepper fiction is tactical.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2016 8:54 PM  

Drudge calling MS for Bernie by a whisker. After SC I thought that Hillary Rodan Cacklepants machine knew how to buy votes? What gives?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 8:56 PM  

Am I the only one completely bored with Queen Canklepants vs Burnout? The fix has been in for a long time.

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2016 8:57 PM  

Heard on the radio today, on the black talk station:

At least the ones willing to call in said they were voting for Uncle Bernie because Jews give black people jobs. They were instructed by the local black politicians on the call-in show that they should remember and vote for Hillary as instructed.

Blogger ZhukovG March 08, 2016 8:57 PM  

As long as the CSA rises again, I don't really care what the rest of the DC empire decides to do.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 8:58 PM  

Talking about the potential break up, any one else read the Vampire Earth series ?

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 9:00 PM  

Queen Canklepants

Yes, the Hildebeast does have her some cankles.

OpenID sigbouncer March 08, 2016 9:00 PM  

"By the way, even if God told Robertson to run, that's not the same thing as telling him he would win."

Where's George Burns when I need him...

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 08, 2016 9:00 PM  

@125 Scott, et. al.:

I'm afraid you're all wrong. Any breakup will not be on state lines, but on county lines. Most "blue" states are a handful of very liberal urban areas lording it over a vast conservative rural region. Once a breakup starts, it will go to the county level, possibly lower.

Not that I expect it to happen.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 9:01 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:As long as the CSA rises again, I don't really care what the rest of the DC empire decides to do.

The performance of the deep South from Carolina all the way over to Louisiana just proves how different Texas is from those states. I've said before, and it bears repeating. Texas just doesn't have the same scars from the Civil War that the rest of the South has. Texas was never invaded by northern troops, already had a separate identity based on being it's own nation just 16 years earlier, and doesn't bear the same grudges that the deep South bears toward the north. It makes a difference in how people vote.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 9:03 PM  

MSNBC saying (on TV) they project Trump to win MI

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 9:03 PM  

I do Were-Puppy, although I have fallen behind on Vampire Earth. Good national break up book.

Love that Chicago is the Zoo.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 9:04 PM  

Looking at 2012 county maps of MS and MI, it looks like the Dem areas of MI have voted, but not the Dem areas of MS.
I would expect that maybe Trump's lead in MI may fall off a bit. I wouldn't expect a lot of dropoff in MS.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 08, 2016 9:06 PM  

Again Scott, STFU.

Texas is the South you transplant. You ain't Texian and you don't speak for those of us that are.

Texas was never invaded by northern troops

Yes it was TWICE

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 9:06 PM  

I recall there was a TV show called "Revolution".
Power goes out across the world and it all breaks apart.
Sounds kind of similar.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 08, 2016 9:07 PM  

@144

Your mouth to God's ears

Blogger Lazarus March 08, 2016 9:07 PM  

@157

The performance of the deep South from Carolina all the way over to Louisiana just proves how different Texas is from those states.

Texas needs to go its own way. Any alliance with Texas will bring in more Mexicans.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 9:08 PM  

@157 Scott6584

and doesn't bear the same grudges that the deep South bears toward the north. It makes a difference in how people vote.
---

Let's observe reality. Many deep south states are voting for a NYC Yankee Tycoon.

Anonymous aegis-1080 March 08, 2016 9:10 PM  

Missisipi and Michigan are HIGH ENERGY. Cruz, and specially Rubio, lost hard.

And lol at Sanders getting told to piss off by blacks. His "white people don't know what is like to be poor" attack at the debate didn't do anything. Hopefully, his supporters will throw another epic White Man's Burden temper tantrum, the last one actually managed to out-racist /pol/.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 9:10 PM  

Ouch. Cruz should NOT be losing to Kashyyk at this point in the game. Don't care if it is Ohio North.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 08, 2016 9:10 PM  

In the theoretical break up, wouldn't Texas consider conquering some of northern Mexico? In the interest of clobbering narcos and stemming immigration, which they would bear the brunt of if any breakup happens?

I don't think Mexico could take Texas in a war.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 08, 2016 9:11 PM  

@167

NEVER.

CALL.

MICHIGAN.

THAT.

AGAIN.

Blogger White Devil March 08, 2016 9:13 PM  

Probably the wrong place for this, but...
Investigators release synced video of LaVoy Finicum traffic stop and shooting, March 8, 2016.
Released by Deschutes County Sheriff's Office .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFsHOu_Cjmk#t=526

Anonymous aegis-1080 March 08, 2016 9:14 PM  

@168

Texas is an state that votes for the Bush clan and Rick Perry. Nuff' said. The good news is that, in the worst case, The Wall can be modified.

Blogger tz March 08, 2016 9:14 PM  

SciFi plot: Alpha builds a shield to protect Jupiter from the Plutocrats

Anonymous kfg March 08, 2016 9:15 PM  

"I could reasonably see a large middle chunk joining with Texas . . . because . . ."

They must.

Blogger BunE22 March 08, 2016 9:16 PM  

"Obviously, New England, NY, join together."

As well as PA and NJ.

Gah. I'd rather PA join with the states in the USGS map: http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/old.2004/3067/location_big.gif

If I can ever escape from NY I plan to live in rural PA and I don't want to be lumped in with the state of NY.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 9:17 PM  

Thought that'd do the trick, cataline. My point stands. Cruz didn't need to beat Trump, but a sub 25? That's lost momentum.

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2016 9:21 PM  

The exit poll on household income is interesting.

Cruz gets $50-100k.

Trump gets $30-50k.

Trump also gets $100-200k.

So, Cruz is the middle manager's candidate, whereas Trump is the line worker and the business owner's candidate?

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 08, 2016 9:21 PM  

Actually Cruz did well considering that he made no effort here whatsoever.

Kaisch on the other hand...Good lord. My land line has been ringing off the hook and it doesn't even have a hook nor can it actually ring.

Every TV in the cardio room was constantly showing Kaisch's face for a solid two weeks when it wasn't showing the terrifying visages of Hillary and Bernie.

This was an all or nothing lunge by the GOP Establishment.

And it failed.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2016 9:21 PM  

In the theoretical break up, wouldn't Texas consider conquering some of northern Mexico?

The Rio Grande may be a dry ditch in some places but it is a very natural boundary.


Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 9:21 PM  

Conan the Cimmerian wrote:Again Scott, STFU.

Texas is the South you transplant. You ain't Texian and you don't speak for those of us that are.

Texas was never invaded by northern troops

Yes it was TWICE


Dude. I'm 6th generation in DFW, and my kids are 7th generation. The ONLY part of Texas that thinks like the deep south are the piney woods of East Texas. And they would never break away from Texas to be part of some revived CSA. Just wouldn't.

Texas stands alone. They may accept joiners later, but Texas has already begun preliminary discussions of secession by ourselves. I have no idea what part of Texas you hail from, but you cannot get more Texan than me.

Blogger Doseux March 08, 2016 9:22 PM  

Texas has some serious demographic issues to sort out. We've got almost a perfect storm here: Mexicans, Africans (both natives and recently-imported), Asians, Muslims, Jews... I'll hold my land as long as I can for the White Man, but any breakup of the Union along racial lines will have Texas in complete disarray.

Blogger Scott6584 March 08, 2016 9:23 PM  

Faceless wrote:The exit poll on household income is interesting.

Cruz gets $50-100k.

Trump gets $30-50k.

Trump also gets $100-200k.

So, Cruz is the middle manager's candidate, whereas Trump is the line worker and the business owner's candidate?


Cruz is also winning Gen-X and younger, while Trump is winning Boomers and older.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 9:25 PM  

Hilarious that Queen Caitlyn beat the old guy by winning 47% to Sanders 51% with 18% reporting in MI.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 08, 2016 9:25 PM  

@176

You have no idea what an employed line worker in Michigan makes dude.

Admittedly the keyword is "Employed".

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2016 9:25 PM  

Scott6584 wrote:Faceless wrote:The exit poll on household income is interesting.

Cruz gets $50-100k.

Trump gets $30-50k.

Trump also gets $100-200k.

So, Cruz is the middle manager's candidate, whereas Trump is the line worker and the business owner's candidate?


Cruz is also winning Gen-X and younger, while Trump is winning Boomers and older.


I am very happy to see Cruz doing his part to deny Kucinich anything to be happy about.

Young women really hate Trump. Too brash, or that's what they say. Would bend over for him but don't want to vote for him. They really prefer the guy who's Mr. Mom and who takes care of the daughters.

Anonymous kfg March 08, 2016 9:27 PM  

@174: PA ain't Dixie. Ain't gonna happen.

If I ever escape from NY it's going to be to constitutional carry Vermont and I'd rather it go independent republic again, but that ain't gonna happen either. They might well give it a go at first, but it won't hold.

But that ain't gonna happen either.

Blogger weka March 08, 2016 9:28 PM  

Ah. What a useful... List.

Blogger Samuel Nock March 08, 2016 9:28 PM  

Huge 4th place wins in MI and MS for Rubio. That guy is unstoppable and the obvious nominee.

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2016 9:28 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:@176

You have no idea what an employed line worker in Michigan makes dude.

Admittedly the keyword is "Employed".


A Tier 2 would make that. They're half a person. An actual full UAW worker doesn't; they'd be in the $70-80k, but they don't make those jobs anymore.

Somebody who is in their first job in an office makes $35-40.

I used the wrong term, but dental hygienist wouldn't have been as funny.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 08, 2016 9:29 PM  

Cruz should have put effort in for MI, though. 30 proportional is a big difference from 20, and he absolutely needs to fight for the remaining proportionals.

Blogger bob k. mando March 08, 2016 9:30 PM  

48. Matt Edwards March 08, 2016 6:47 PM
Who the fuck is Neil Bush?



people who have one brother who has been the governor of a major state, another who has been POTUS and had enough juice back in the 80s to get a $1.3B bailout?

clearly, he's a nobody.

Anonymous 11B March 08, 2016 9:30 PM  

Texas is an state that votes for the Bush clan and Rick Perry. Nuff' said.

And Texas gave us LBJ, the signer of the Immigration Act of 1965. Please, no more presidents from Texas.

Blogger Noah B March 08, 2016 9:31 PM  

Do Kasich's voice and mannerisms remind anyone else of Jimmy Stewart? I'm thinking that's the only reason Kasich has gotten this far.

Blogger Noah B March 08, 2016 9:32 PM  

"And Texas gave us LBJ."

No. Dead people in West Texas gave us LBJ.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 08, 2016 9:37 PM  

@Faceless

Regardless, I'm not really challenging your point. Michigan was always Reagan-Democrat Central.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2016 9:37 PM  

Young women really hate Trump. Too brash, or that's what they say. Would bend over for him but don't want to vote for him. They really prefer the guy who's Mr. Mom and who takes care of the daughters.

When the choice is Brash or Menopausla Rodan Cacklepants I wonder what they will do, these young women?

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2016 9:41 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Young women really hate Trump. Too brash, or that's what they say. Would bend over for him but don't want to vote for him. They really prefer the guy who's Mr. Mom and who takes care of the daughters.

When the choice is Brash or Menopausla Rodan Cacklepants I wonder what they will do, these young women?


All I can do is generalize from my attempted straw poll, but:

They really hate being told they should vote their genitals. I don't think they'll vote for Cankles. They may not vote, but they don't like being talked down to by the old battle axes saying - you owe us, so vote for this formerly-maybe-once-fertile uterus.

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