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Saturday, March 19, 2016

Migration, war, and the military historian

Those who doubt my observations on the subject, and fail to credit Martin van Creveld's similar warnings, would do well to heed popular military historian Max Hasting's similar warnings on the subject of war and the mass migration crisis:
Could this lead to WAR in Europe?

Last week in Washington, I met an old friend who is one of the smartest strategy wonks I know. His business is crystal ball-gazing. During our conversation, he offered some speculations about what could happen to our world over the next decade or two which made my hair stand on end.

He predicts that the seismic turbulence in the Middle East will continue, and indeed worsen, unless or until the West is willing to commit stabilisation forces to the region. He calculates that an army of the order of magnitude of 450,000 men would be necessary, to have any chance of success.

In the absence of such an effort — for which he admits the political will does not exist on either side of the Atlantic, and is unlikely to do so in the future — he believes that the tidal wave of migration to Europe from the Middle East and Africa will continue, with consequences much greater and graver than any national leader has yet acknowledged.

He suggested that war within our continent is not impossible before the middle of the century, as southern European nations are swamped by incomers, and Greece stands first in line to become a failed state.

We can defer for a moment the question of whether my friend’s most frightening scenarios are likely to be fulfilled.

What was sobering about our conversation is that here was an uncommonly well-informed man who believes that the earthquakes shaking the Middle East, together with the scale of economic migration from Africa, could undo all our comfortable assumptions about the stability of the society in which we live, including our confidence that Europe has turned its back on war for ever.

The most obvious lesson of history is that events and threats always take us by surprise.
We already know the West will not stabilize the Middle East, for the obvious reason that it is the West, specifically, the USA, that has intentionally destabilized it.

This means there will be war in Europe, sooner or later, although the question is still out if it will be between the ultranationalists and the EU elite or between the nationalists and the immigrants. In either case, the European nationalists will win easily because they vastly outnumber their opponents and the European militaries are insignificant. At the present, the prospect of the EU collapsing, the nationalists taking power in the various nations, and mass repatriations taking place is preventing the public from turning to the more extreme ultras.

The more serious problem, as I have been pointing out for decades now, is in the USA itself, where US attempts to destabilize the Middle East, combined with the 1965 Immigration Act, have resulted in the destabilization of the USA. At the present, the optimism that surrounds the Trumpening is tending to relieve the pressures created by the largest invasion in human history, but the jury is very far from out whether Trump will win the White House and if he will actually fulfill his supporters' hopes and expectations should he take office.

It is telling, is it not, that while conventional historians have virtually nothing to say on the subject, the military historians all know what is coming as a result of the mass immigration into the West.

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118 Comments:

Blogger frenchy March 19, 2016 7:26 AM  

If those numbskulls in Brussels are dumb enough to let Turkey join the EU, then the Muslims will have their backdoor in perpetuity. "Aaaaah Viennaaaaaaaa!"

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 19, 2016 7:29 AM  

Clinton's campaign will be the largest source of instability in FUSA, she will be out to unite the disparate "Protected Classes" in a political lebensraum and Trump's mild rebukes will send the establishment into a tizzy since he represents a base that is supposed to play the dupe and pay the bills.

Blogger Nick Siekierski March 19, 2016 7:32 AM  

I was listening in on a group discussion recently by historians and economists here in Poland. They are all left-wing to one degree or another and believed that the migrant crisis has revealed European racism towards Muslims. If it comes to war in Europe, it won't be as simple as nationalists vs. migrants or ultranationalists vs. the EU elite, but a sizeable part of European populations will actively fight against their fellow countrymen over the invaders or the Brussels bureaucrats. Though these left-wingers are atheists, multiculturalism is one of their substitute religions, they aren't open to facts or debate on the topic.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 19, 2016 7:38 AM  

I'm not sure 450k troops are required. Though they might be used, with oil revenues used to pay for them.

But after the application of 450kt worth of nuclear weapons, the troop requirements go down dramatically.

The other issue would be getting people to embrace neocolonialism. Americans won't, we suffer from national ADD.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie March 19, 2016 7:42 AM  

Among the earliest books I remember reading the writer likened civilizations to birds and their nesting habits. Build a nest raise the next generation and the next generation shits in the nest until it is abandoned. Looks like it's well underway.

HKC

Anonymous old man in a villa March 19, 2016 7:46 AM  

"The most obvious lesson of history is that events and threats always take us by surprise."

By surprise? Really? Every person I respect who has even an inkling of the political/historic world has been foretelling this exact scenario for decades. There is no surprise in any of this, it's boilerplate.

Awful conclusion. He needs a better class of policy wonks in his coterie.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 19, 2016 7:55 AM  

As for leftists Counter Currents actually has something useful a EU employee describes actual leftists he has met with his years of employment

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 19, 2016 7:57 AM  

"The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will obtain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and the establishment of a World Republic."
-Baruch Levy writing to Karl Marx.
“Open the flood gates for immigration,” said Senator Jacob Javits of New York, when promoting the Immigration Act of 1965. And, the statement was not to be construed as to apply only to the US, as we see now.
It's not complicated. Our unwillingness to face the problem at its very core is due to our fear of reprisal by the powerful group responsible for our woes. An enemy hath done this.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2016 March 19, 2016 8:28 AM  

Stupefied by relativism. Christianity fathered Europe like a child. The child left home to sleep with a whore called relativism.

Military Historians at Veteran's Today are calling the immivasion Erdogan's war against Europe. His caliphate for greater Islam or Armageddon. Syria/ Damascus once was "greater Israel". It's inside Israel's old borders. People forget this. This king of the North is already committed to Islamofascist conquest.

Christianity can unite disparate people's. Skin colour is skin deep. One just needs to drive a wooden stake through the heart of a blood sucker called 'relativism'. And Christian's make better scientists. See sedimentary rock near the top of Everest. Marine fossils on every mountain range, nearly.

Anonymous Philipp March 19, 2016 8:52 AM  

I agree with the old man. All the events Max Hastings lists in his article have been predicted. Admittedly only by a few, who see the world with open eyes and whose minds are not barred by political correctness, but they have been predicted.

That this mass migration will completely change the complexion of European societies and will likely lead to wear has been obvious for everybody who does not close his eyes.

Blogger Scott6584 March 19, 2016 8:54 AM  

The die is already cast. The seeds have been planted, and already have begun to grow. It is only a matter of time until we start reaping the fruit of this bitter tree.

Some of us have been sounding the warning for 25 years. I wrote back in 1991 about how the Boomer generation was setting the country on the path to destruction.

The only encouraging sign is that while GenXers have largely become fatalistic about it, there are signs that Millenials are reverting to more conservative values, and rejecting the turn the country has taken since JFK and his generation took power in the 1960's.

The question is if it is too late to save the USA. Will the USA remain an intact entity? I have strong doubts about that proposition.

Blogger VD March 19, 2016 8:58 AM  

The question is if it is too late to save the USA. Will the USA remain an intact entity? I have strong doubts about that proposition.

It's a bit amusing to see you claiming to have been sounding the warning for 25 years, then posing that question. The answer is yes, it is too late. No, the USA will not remain intact. It already contains a foreign nation larger than the original American nation.

Blogger Lovekraft March 19, 2016 9:04 AM  

If you look at the various European countries with woman Defence Ministers, then at the state of things, I think this would also be a major indicator that the country has (or is close to) losing against the hordes.

Secondly, there is the shadow money-men like George Soros, the Hungarian Jew, who is financing BLM. This would be like the second phase of conquest.

First you geld the military, then you support the mob. Which leads to a greater police state, which leads to more (manufactured) leftist protests.

Blogger Scott6584 March 19, 2016 9:05 AM  

I know the answer to the question. I pose it for the purpose of getting others to consider it. If you've followed my comments in other threads, I have mentioned moving back to Texas from Minnesota last September in anticipation of a secession movement.

I foresee Texas seceding. After that, I expect other states to join with Texas, starting with Oklahoma. Eventually, I expect a good chunk of Western States to join the Texas nation, from the Dakotas west to Eastern Washington and South to Mexico.

But the the step is Texas secession. Texas is uniquely situated to be the prime mover in the disintegration of the USA. (Which is ironic, since a very large percentage of US armed forces personnel are Texans.)

Blogger VD March 19, 2016 9:10 AM  

I know the answer to the question. I pose it for the purpose of getting others to consider it.

Then stop being shady about it. First you said you have serious doubts, now you know the answer. Scott, what your comments have revealed about your character is that you constantly attempt to spin your words and manipulate others. This is not a good place to do that, because you will be called out for it.

Speak what you actually believe, not what you think might help you change other's beliefs.

Blogger Scott6584 March 19, 2016 9:10 AM  

Also, I wrote several articles at the outset of the EU that it was doomed to fail. Only those who are completely ignorant of culture and history believed it could succeed. Even without the Muslim immigration, the conflicting cultures in Europe itself foretell its demise. And before the recent wave of migrants, the financial structure was already coming apart at the seems with the PIIGS. The culture of the PIIGS stands is stark contrast to the Germans and French, and was always destined to fail.

Blogger tz March 19, 2016 9:11 AM  

Slightly OT Eric Peters nails it. The problem is not that Trump is Hitler, but the GOPe is Weimar, sending "repairations" to China and Mexico, and wasting the rest.

The Weimar Republicans.

Blogger Scott6584 March 19, 2016 9:14 AM  

Call it a habit that I have used to persuade others. Asking questions which cause others to reach the right conclusions has been more effective for me than simply lecturing others. Maybe that doesn't work as well in this particular context. But when I taught in college for three years, it was very effective in getting my students to learn.

Blogger tz March 19, 2016 9:15 AM  

The EU can always bring in UN peacekeepers from sub-Saharan Africa.
They're culturally compatible

Blogger Scott6584 March 19, 2016 9:16 AM  

Every Republican candidate since Wendell Winkie has been "Hitler." Being called Hitler by leftists is just a sign they take you seriously as a threat.

Blogger Scott6584 March 19, 2016 9:18 AM  

Also VD, a part of me really hopes I am wrong.

Blogger Lucas March 19, 2016 9:18 AM  

"It is telling, is it not, that while conventional historians have virtually nothing to say on the subject, the military historians all know what is coming as a result of the mass immigration into the West."

Maybe because conventional historians talk to the public while military ones address another audience? Who knows.

I believe that both groups know what's coming but for ideological reasons only one dares to speak out.

Blogger VD March 19, 2016 9:22 AM  

Maybe that doesn't work as well in this particular context. But when I taught in college for three years, it was very effective in getting my students to learn.

That's nice. But we're not your students and no one has paid to be here in order to learn from you. Try to keep that in mind.

Also VD, a part of me really hopes I am wrong.

Naturally. No individual sane enough to see it coming thinks it is going to be fun.

Blogger tz March 19, 2016 9:23 AM  

As to the USA, Check out "The American Redoubt". There are echoes with Texas and the South. There are other maps of fracture lines.
The only questions are who first and how long. The Bundys may be showing how not to do it, but most in the west have already seceded in their minds. Texas might be logistically the easiest. Any large scale disaster including a terrorist attack that overloads a weak, hated Government who can only intimidate will cause the breakup.

Anonymous BGKB March 19, 2016 9:27 AM  

I am glad I got to see Europe before 2000. I just have to hope it will be safe to visit in my lifetime. Even if you could kill 30 attacking groids with your bare hands & get out of Europe you would be extradited back by bath house Barry.

question is still out if it will be between the ultranationalists and the EU elite or between the nationalists and the immigrants

You have to take out the (((EU ELITE))) before or you will not be able to deal with the refusegees.

sizeable part of European populations will actively fight against their fellow countrymen over the invaders or the Brussels bureaucrats...Though these left-wingers are atheists

atheists will not fight to keep n1ggers in the nation, they might key your car but not fight. The most they will do is gay bar level slap fighting.

Texas is uniquely situated to be the prime mover in the disintegration of the USA.

The (((()))) have been depleting the Texas aquifer selling bottled water out of it, in preparation for succession. Its always the wells & food with them.

Blogger Dexter March 19, 2016 9:32 AM  

The cynic in me thinks that the "crystal ball gazer" who wants to send 450,000 men to the Middle East (which would require an Army of 1.5 million) is just another neocon operating if not in Israel's interest then not in America's interest, or someone who gets paid by the Army to promote "more, bigger Army yay!" or both.

Neither the US nor Europe needs to care much about the "stability" of the Middle East - nor have an outlandishly large military - if they simply control their bordeers and STOP THE MIGRANT HORDES.

Blogger tz March 19, 2016 9:32 AM  

What the mid-east needs is a "moderate" Muslim to declare himself the Caliph, then start slaughtering everyone - Saddam style that fights the idea. I.e. reestablish a state, ending the 4GW problem.

The European countries forget that when it is (convert or) surrender or die, your only third choice is war.

This is my of repeated problem with the non-aggression principle. Verbal hollow points aren't a defense or counter.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 19, 2016 9:45 AM  

@ BGKB

We know :-( even the resident Jews on this blog are open-mouthed in shock over how blatant their (((Big Brethren Elites))) and their fellow shabbos travelers are getting in their undisguised hatred of the goyim.

Blogger CM March 19, 2016 9:50 AM  

By surprise? Really? Every person I respect who has even an inkling of the political/historic world has been foretelling this exact scenario for decades. There is no surprise in any of this, it's boilerplate.

Usually, it is by surprise when people in leadership deliberately ignore the warning signs.

Blogger Ignatius P. Garnet March 19, 2016 9:50 AM  

"...the jury is very far from out whether Trump will win the White House."
A jury goes out to consider its verdict. It comes in when it is ready to render its verdict.

Blogger JACIII March 19, 2016 9:51 AM  

"Naturally. No individual sane enough to see it coming thinks it is going to be fun." -vd

Yeah, about that, "Some men just want to watch the world burn", said all dread ilk everywhere.

Anonymous JB March 19, 2016 9:51 AM  

Here's what one prescient military historian had to say on the matter:

'The influx of foreigners':
"In the age of the first outburst and the
subsequent Age of Conquests, the race is
normally ethnically more or less
homogeneous. This state of affairs facilitates
a feeling of solidarity and comradeship. But
in the Ages of Commerce and Affluence,
every type of foreigner floods into the great
city, the streets of which are reputed to be
paved with gold. As, in most cases, this great
city is also the capital of the empire, the
cosmopolitan crowd at the seat of empire
exercises a political influence greatly in
excess of its relative numbers.

Second- or third-generation foreign
immigrants may appear outwardly to be
entirely assimilated, but they often constitute
a weakness in two directions. First, their
basic human nature often differs from that of
the original imperial stock. If the earlier
imperial race was stubborn and slowmoving,
the immigrants might come from
more emotional races, thereby introducing
cracks and schisms into the national policies,
even if all were equally loyal.

Second, while the nation is still affluent, all
the diverse races may appear equally loyal.
But in an acute emergency, the immigrants
will often be less willing to sacrifice their
lives and their property than will be the
original descendants of the founder race.

Third, the immigrants are liable to form
communities of their own, protecting
primarily their own interests, and only in the
second degree that of the nation as a whole.

Fourth, many of the foreign immigrants
will probably belong to races originally
conquered by and absorbed into the empire.
While the empire is enjoying its High Noon
of prosperity, all these people are proud and
glad to be imperial citizens. But when decline
sets in, it is extraordinary how the memory
of ancient wars, perhaps centuries before, is
suddenly revived, and local or provincial
movements appear demanding secession or
independence. Some day this phenomenon
will doubtless appear in the now apparently
monolithic and authoritarian Soviet empire.
It is amazing for how long such provincial
sentiments can survive."

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
http://www.physicsoflife.pl/e-books/glubb-fate_of_empires/Glubb_John_The_Fate_of_Empires_and_Search_for_Survival.html
(the second link also includes Glubb's follow-up essay to 'Fate of Empires')

Blogger JACIII March 19, 2016 9:51 AM  

"Naturally. No individual sane enough to see it coming thinks it is going to be fun." -vd

Yeah, about that, "Some men just want to watch the world burn", said all dread ilk everywhere.

Anonymous BGKB March 19, 2016 10:02 AM  

OT: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-16/largest-us-coal-producer-plummets-30-after-skipping-bond-payment-warns-bankruptcy

Lets see if Soros buys them up.

Anonymous BGKB March 19, 2016 10:11 AM  

@30 Second, while the nation is still affluent, all the diverse races may appear equally loyal.
But in an acute emergency, the immigrants will often be less willing to sacrifice their lives and their property than will be the original descendants of the founder race.


Has anyone ever seen a non white that did unpaid volunteer work for the general public as opposed to their racial interests? Actually has anyone ever seen a non white unpaid volunteer? Tom Kratman wrote about how the Kurds wanted to be paid for unloading free stuff into their houses.
http://www.everyjoe.com/2016/02/01/politics/our-gallant-allies-the-kurds-other-fairy-tales/

Blogger FALPhil March 19, 2016 10:20 AM  

@12
I foresee Texas seceding. After that, I expect other states to join with Texas, starting with Oklahoma. Eventually, I expect a good chunk of Western States to join the Texas nation, from the Dakotas west to Eastern Washington and South to Mexico.

Probably not, unless out of expediency. Texas is a much more diverse population with a different economic model. What actually makes more sense is for Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana to secede with Texas. In addition to the oil & gas industry, there are tariffs on river commerce to be had. That sort of setup would be nearly perfect for a nation to not require individual taxes, which would attract more business, and a lot of hard working folks. If they could prevent the SJW entryism, the only thing to worry about is the occasional hurricane.

Blogger FALPhil March 19, 2016 10:27 AM  

@24
The cynic in me thinks that the "crystal ball gazer" who wants to send 450,000 men to the Middle East (which would require an Army of 1.5 million) is just another neocon operating if not in Israel's interest then not in America's interest, or someone who gets paid by the Army to promote "more, bigger Army yay!" or both.

Which doesn't negate the original premise. Don't lose sight of that.

Blogger FALPhil March 19, 2016 10:28 AM  

@24
The cynic in me thinks that the "crystal ball gazer" who wants to send 450,000 men to the Middle East (which would require an Army of 1.5 million) is just another neocon operating if not in Israel's interest then not in America's interest, or someone who gets paid by the Army to promote "more, bigger Army yay!" or both.

Which doesn't negate the original premise. Don't lose sight of that.

Blogger FALPhil March 19, 2016 10:28 AM  

@12
I foresee Texas seceding. After that, I expect other states to join with Texas, starting with Oklahoma. Eventually, I expect a good chunk of Western States to join the Texas nation, from the Dakotas west to Eastern Washington and South to Mexico.

Probably not, unless out of expediency. Texas is a much more diverse population with a different economic model. What actually makes more sense is for Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana to secede with Texas. In addition to the oil & gas industry, there are tariffs on river commerce to be had. That sort of setup would be nearly perfect for a nation to not require individual taxes, which would attract more business, and a lot of hard working folks. If they could prevent the SJW entryism, the only thing to worry about is the occasional hurricane.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 19, 2016 10:31 AM  

"What actually makes more sense is for Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana to secede with Texas."

Louisiana is Africa. Not sure how that's going to work.

Blogger pyrrhus March 19, 2016 10:37 AM  

No later than the 2030s, America's role as global "policeman" will be over, NATO will be finished, and all hell will break loose in Europe as the nationalists take power, or possibly are annihilated by their treasonous elites.

Blogger gunner451 March 19, 2016 10:37 AM  

I'll propose an alternative that would be pretty much the opposite of what you are stating. Rather than a break up of existing structures like the EU and US what you'll see is a doubling down. By that I mean that for the EU you'll see an expansion into the middle east in an attempt to stabilize these regions by absorption. Certainly Turkey and Syria would be in play but also Algeria, Libya, Tunisia and possibly Egypt. The whole play would be to stabilize those countries that we have intentionally destabilized and to bring western enlightenment to the people (also helps that they have the resources Europe needs like oil)
For the US it would be an integration with Canada to the North and Mexico to the South in an attempt to dilute nationalist up rising by the white semi-majority.
The elites (globally) want more integration and although you may see some fairly violent protests I believe they won’t be sustainable against police/military enforcement of the elites will.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 19, 2016 10:49 AM  

So when the nationalists and ultras rise and kick out the non-Euros from Europe...will they be smart enough to also send out the multiculti Euros to ME or Africa? Yeah, it drops the population numbers further but those people aren't tribe anymore seeing as they are traitors, especially if they refuse to repent of their hate of their own.

Do you predict that Europe will further fragment after the EU collapse? You're in Italy, you see how my people still struggle with the sense of nationalism vs. regionalism. Could Europe further fragment they way the USA is fated to do so? The pre-nation tribalism is still there in certain places.

I also hope somewhere, some Euro or Euro-descendant country allows White Afrikaners to flee Africa. It's a genocide down there.

And finally, Vox, what do you think can be done to reverse the birthrate? You've rightly mentioned it can suddenly flip. Would replacing feminist social pressure with pro-family social pressure be enough?

Anonymous BGKB March 19, 2016 10:59 AM  

Keep in mind what is happening now is the reverse of the Renaissance. Y Pestis was more survivable/avoidable by smarter people. Lots of stupid R selected people dying raised the average IQ of Europe.

Louisiana is Africa. Not sure how that's going to work.

Cut off welfare and give a one way ticket to Liberalland.

you may see some fairly violent protests I believe they won’t be sustainable against police/military enforcement of the elites will

The military and cops are K selected. See the Second City Cop blog to see how they are avoiding doing what leftists want by simply letting blacks kill each other.

And finally, Vox, what do you think can be done to reverse the birthrate?

If you kick out all the illegals people could afford to have kids.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 19, 2016 11:00 AM  

Gunner451, that is a solution that is causing the fracturing now. All that attempt would do at this point would be to accelerate the collapse. It would be like if Enron had announced it was going to double its size just before collapse: completely irrelevant.

The short answer is that there is too much debt for any of your scenario to work, and nowhere left to shove it.

Your idea is on the wrong side of the pendulum.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 19, 2016 11:00 AM  

@12
I foresee Texas seceding. After that, I expect other states to join with Texas, starting with Oklahoma. Eventually, I expect a good chunk of Western States to join the Texas nation, from the Dakotas west to Eastern Washington and South to Mexico.

@ 34
Probably not, unless out of expediency. Texas is a much more diverse population with a different economic model. What actually makes more sense is for Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana to secede with Texas. In addition to the oil & gas industry, there are tariffs on river commerce to be had. That sort of setup would be nearly perfect for a nation to not require individual taxes, which would attract more business, and a lot of hard working folks. If they could prevent the SJW entryism, the only thing to worry about is the occasional hurricane.

Vox's view is that history shows the demarcation of nations will be by tribe, not by economics, and the evidence supports him. As such, the break likely will be close to something like this:


Colin Woodard's 11 American Nations

Blogger Rusty Fife March 19, 2016 11:03 AM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:

And finally, Vox, what do you think can be done to reverse the birthrate? You've rightly mentioned it can suddenly flip. Would replacing feminist social pressure with pro-family social pressure be enough?


Sure, easy fix for unemployment among men is already happening. Physical therapist I know was complaining about new male nurses showing up and riding the "glass escalator" to better positions. I've seen more men filling administrative jobs.

Once women have to compete with men who thrive on competition; they'll quit their 'unfulfilling' jobs and start pushing out babies.

Blogger gunner451 March 19, 2016 11:10 AM  

VFM #6306, that's what I used to think about the stock market or China's building boom yet they continue. I don't doubt that someday it will all blow up but don't discount them taking it up to 11 before that happens.

Blogger Scott6584 March 19, 2016 11:10 AM  

As for crystal ball gazers, I can give you a detailed dissertation on what it will take to effectively win a war. That dissertation will make me sound like a racist advocate of genocide and brutality, a warmonger. But that assumes that I am in favor of waging war.

Just because I am clear sighted on what is required to win a war doesn't mean I am advocating for it. In fact, it is BECAUSE I am so cognizant of the necessities of successful warfare that I am so strenuously against it except in extreme cases.

Buy we funderstand ourselves in extreme times. Fighting back Islamic imperialism is an existential battle that is unavoidable. And we have no chance of winning if we refuse to accept the level of brutality required to actually win. That will require killing millions of muslims; men, women, and children.

Trump is merely stating what should be obvious when he says our military is going to have to target civilians. But the West is not yet ready to hear it.

But at some point, we will be. You can count on it.

Blogger gunner451 March 19, 2016 11:10 AM  

VFM #6306, that's what I used to think about the stock market or China's building boom yet they continue. I don't doubt that someday it will all blow up but don't discount them taking it up to 11 before that happens.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner March 19, 2016 11:16 AM  

Physical therapist I know was complaining about new male nurses showing up and riding the "glass escalator" to better positions.

Tell her the glass escalator runs for anyone willing to work like a man.

Scott-Texas also has http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/29/hispanic-anti-trump-protester-warns-white-voters-of-the-consequences-of-electing-trump-we-own-texas/

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 19, 2016 11:16 AM  

I don't see a breakup as likely...and it won't be along state borders. The real divide is urban/ rural. Most "liberal" states are a large city with rural areas under their jackboot. In a breakup, expect massive intra-state secessionist movements.

Also, it may not be secession, but expulsion. Kick the I-95 axis counties out of the Union, and the nation's problems are solved. Until the war, and I think all breakup scenarios lead to war one way or another.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 19, 2016 11:40 AM  

Scott6584 wrote:As for crystal ball gazers, I can give you a detailed dissertation on what it will take to effectively win a war.

Huh? Are you aware the host just published the "4th Generation Warfare Handbook"?

Why do you think we care about your fantasies on warfare?

Blogger Unknown March 19, 2016 11:45 AM  

``Once women have to compete with men who thrive on competition; they'll quit their 'unfulfilling' jobs and start pushing out babies.''

That's an option for young women. For old HR harridans, it isn't.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 19, 2016 11:50 AM  

Unknown wrote:``Once women have to compete with men who thrive on competition; they'll quit their 'unfulfilling' jobs and start pushing out babies.''

That's an option for young women. For old HR harridans, it isn't.


Regardless, it increases the babies.

Blogger unconventional nazi March 19, 2016 12:14 PM  

I hereby invite BGKB to be our Nazi version of Milo.*

*Yes, this is intended as a compliment.

Anonymous Nxx March 19, 2016 12:30 PM  

Regarding the middle east I wouldn't be so quick to pin the blame on Western destabilization.

This is the reason the region is going to hell in a handbasket.

MENA population in 1950: 104 million
MENA population in 2007: 432 million

The region is destabilizing because the population is exploding. Period. End of story.

Pinning it on Western intervention is the usual progressive scramble to blame white people for everything. It's just Auster's First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in action.

The third world was warned in the 1950s that if they didn't control their breeding they'd collapse into poverty and worse. They dismissed the warnings as racist and imperialist. They didn't listen, they brought it on themselves and now they're welcome to go fuck themselves.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 19, 2016 1:14 PM  

Yes, well, much of that population issue in Africa and the ME would go away if white countries stopped enabling them. Foreign aide and foreign voluntourism is a drug to these people. Take it away and they'll have to adapt. I know it's cruel but it's far crueler to give crack to a crackhead than it is to force him to detox.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 19, 2016 1:16 PM  

There is another argument I've yet to see used on the multicultis. If we take all the people from foreign lands that suck, how will those foreign lands ever improve. If we take the best of the world, how is that equal and fair to the 3rd world countries that need good, educated human capital? If we take all of these people from their ancestral lands, how will they preserve their culture and heritage?

Are these not effective rhetorical attacks?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 19, 2016 1:26 PM  

Anti-Trump protestors block streets near Phoenix, Arizona

No destabilization here, nope.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 19, 2016 1:53 PM  

@41 Durandel Almiras
I also hope somewhere, some Euro or Euro-descendant country allows White Afrikaners to flee Africa. It's a genocide down there.
---

In the event of some national breakup, tell them they can have detroit, chicago, etc, if they are willing to retake it.

Blogger Zen Trader March 19, 2016 2:12 PM  

Something funny - Europeans always tell Americans they have no sense of history, which is largely true. What's interesting is that the Europeans aren't much better, for all their snobbery.

Consider the current migration in the context of Britain circa 449 AD. The king of Britain, Vortigern, was having trouble with the Picts, a barbarian group to his north. The Roman Empire was disintegrating and refused to send help. So, to solve his SHORT TERM problem, he invited in a group of Germanic barbarians called the Anglo-Saxons. At this point, I'm sure you see how this ends, but the process itself is instructive.

In exchange for keeping the Picts off the Britons' back, Vortigern allowed the Anglo-Saxons to settle in Eastern Britain, on an island off its coast. The settlers, however, were not to be confined and eventually strong-armed Vortigern into giving them the whole Kingdom of Kent. From here, they grew stronger and eventually murdered all the British chieftains and seized the throne for themselves.

This story is instructive on several levels. First, don't look to solutions with permanent side effects to solve a short-term problem. Just as Vortigern was foolish to bring in a warrior people superior to the Britons in battle, so too are the Europeans fools to bring in a warrior population adept at urban warfare and terror tactics with a blueprint for undermining and consuming societies to address a labor shortage or short term population decline.

Another lesson is that, by the time the changes are big, dramatic, and noticeable, it is usually too late. The Anglo-Saxons started off small, and by the time everybody understood what a fool Vortigern was, they couldn't be dislodged. Normal people can afford to be short-sighted; in your leadership it's disastrous.

Yet another lesson is that, as the Russians say, a fish rots from the head down. People are often betrayed by their elites. How many cities had their gates opened to the Muslims by its rulers in exchange for a sweetheart deal? Just as Merkel and other European politicians have been betraying their people for personal gain for the last 50 years.

Blogger Lew Rand March 19, 2016 2:19 PM  

No destabilization here, nope.

Yeah but if you read the whole article it looks like a no nonsense approach is being applied.

"If they violate the law, they will go to the tents," Arpaio said.

Arizona isn't California East yet, and we are really trying to prevent it. I hope McCain gets primaried this week. DT probably can't speak to it because he is trying to unite, but there is always hope.

Blogger Zen Trader March 19, 2016 2:23 PM  

@55 "The region is destabilizing because the population is exploding. Period. End of story."

Yes, but why is their population exploding? I don't know if you've met these people, but, variation within groups aside, they aren't the sharpest as a group. A quadrupling within 50 years is insane and unsustainable. So what changed to cause it?

The answer is the West. We gave them money for the black stuff, and taught them advanced farming techniques they couldn't figure out for themselves. We gave them tech they weren't ready for, and we gave them food when they fucked up so they wouldn't all die.

I'm not saying it's our fault, I'm saying that we were the adult that enabled the child because we couldn't say no.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 19, 2016 2:24 PM  

"If they violate the law, they will go to the tents," Arpaio said.

Anyone wonder why the mainstream media has been out to get him for years?

Arizona isn't California East yet

Not for lack of trying, though. I looked up Fountain Valley, it's clearly Niceville out in the hills. Other parts of Phoenix not so nice.

I hope McCain gets primaried this week.

Your mouth to God's ear.

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2016 2:51 PM  

RAT64
When you turn your back on war,
you expose it to the hand with the knife.

Anonymous rat64 March 19, 2016 2:54 PM  

When you turn your back on war,
you expose it to the hand with a knife.

Blogger weka March 19, 2016 3:00 PM  

The cynic in me thinks that the "crystal ball gazer" who wants to send 450,000 men to the Middle East (which would require an Army of 1.5 million) is just another neocon operating if not in Israel's interest then not in America's interest, or someone who gets paid by the Army to promote "more, bigger Army yay!" or both.

Not a neo con: a Brit. There is a difference. Brits know how to run an empire. In this case, you will probably have to hang a hell of a lot of mullahs, in the hope you will have to not use cannons to execute those auxiliary troops who are not loyal to their salt.

But we have no empires: the EU will not hold (Bringing in Turkey? are they trying to ensure Brexit?)

The cures are fairly simple and will happen.

1. Get rid of the welfare state. No benefits to anyone.
2. Walls and guards. The Germans know how to do this.
3. Rediscover Christendom: including Kinder, Kurchen, Kirke. Hold Spacebunny, not Merkel, as the model for how a woman should run her life.
4. Require conversion to the statkirche for citizenship. Yes, that will probably knock me out: I'm too reformed. But it worked following the Napoleonic wars, and it will work again.

The USA? Not my issue. Canada will do well once there is no welfare, quebec included. Choose instead to have a navy, and use the oceans as your walls.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 3:00 PM  

frenchy wrote:If those numbskulls in Brussels are dumb enough to let Turkey join the EU, then the Muslims will have their backdoor in perpetuity. "Aaaaah Viennaaaaaaaa!"

The bureaucrats in Brussels aren't numbskulls, and they aren't co-ethnic with the women who will be raped. They'll let Turkey in on purpose out of racism and hate against native Europeans.

Anonymous BGKB March 19, 2016 3:10 PM  

I hereby invite BGKB to be our Nazi version of Milo.**Yes, this is intended as a compliment.

Milo has far more Hugo Boss than have ever been in my closets. He will wear a $10k+ outfit to an event that women throw fake blood around. If I went to one of his speeches I would wear cloths I wouldn't care about throwing away, "if the footprint tread marks on the face don't fit you must acquit".

The region is destabilizing because the population is exploding...Pinning it on Western intervention is the usual progressive scramble to blame white people for everything

It is the fault of food and medical aid, they are just blaming the wrong white people.

Anti-Trump protestors block streets near Phoenix, Arizona

From the article "military veterans who say Trump is using hateful speech toward Muslims."

Please show us pictures of these affirmative action cucks.

taught them advanced farming techniques they couldn't figure out for themselves.

Warren Buffets son wasted millions failing to teach Africans farming techniques that the ancient romans knew, before he gave up. There is a reason white people have to fly to Africa to dig wells.

Anonymous Philalethes March 19, 2016 3:33 PM  

Anti-Trump protestors block streets near Phoenix, Arizona

He'll be in Tucson later as well; a friend there is going to see him. I sent him a link to Cernovich's article about Chicago for preparation.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 3:41 PM  

Scott6584 wrote:I foresee Texas seceding. After that, I expect other states to join with Texas, starting with Oklahoma. Eventually, I expect a good chunk of Western States to join the Texas nation, from the Dakotas west to Eastern Washington and South to Mexico.

Yes, but (ironically) California will have to go first. Because for all of its bluster, Texas cares too much about America to go when that would hurt us.

(New York could secede but is so egotistical as to think that we're all just appendages. At least California thinks of itself as a thing.)

Anonymous Rolf March 19, 2016 4:13 PM  

A possible solution: Budget a certain dollar amount for all welfare benefits, a modest amount that we say "we can afford this." Make it known that the pot of money is fixed, and it all that is available, and it will be divided amongst the eligible applicants by some formula. Stand back and watch all the various people with their hands out do their best to disqualify opposing groups and rat out and disqualify individuals.

A pol can sound magnanimous by talking about extending bennies to more groups, but because existing recipients will see that as cutting into their piece of the pie they'll fight it tooth and nail.

Change the incentives, change the outcomes.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 19, 2016 4:19 PM  

weka, you are going to have to learn to live without a state church and the free social capital from religion.

Too few people even on the modern right want anything of the sort and most Europeans and growing numbers of Americans are deist or agnostic.

What I would recommend is smaller more homogeneous polities. Instead of Germany you might need several states and the same for every nations since you don't have free social capital to hold them together. Identitarian states work without Christendom.

Also re: economics. Any economic ideas must take increases in automation into account. Huge number of jobs can and will be automated away . Not all of the of course but certainly enough so that even if trade is controlled and cheap foreign labor expelled and women discouraged from working, there won't be enough reliable work to make family formation worthwhile for anyone with decent impulse control and a three digit IQ

Figuring out some means to manage the problem of excess efficiency is going to be essential if we even want stable birth rates.

As for dealing with the migrants and NAMS, if it goes to war its really going to come to control of food "if you are brown, you don't chow down."

Its god awful to do to another human being thus everyone hopes there is a political solution but if there isn't, so be it. The systems that allow so many to live are brittle and as Peanuts used to say "The hand that controls the supper dish rules the world"

Anonymous Cheddarman March 19, 2016 4:32 PM  

AB Prosper,

It takes a large amount of social cooperation over long geographic distances for an economy based on mass automation to be viable.

If social cooperation starts breaking down, I think the automated production will be one of the first casualties.

I don't expect the people that loose jobs to machines will take it lying down.

The infrastructure required to run this sort of economy would be easy to sabotage

Blogger Zen Trader March 19, 2016 4:34 PM  

@70 "A possible solution: Budget a certain dollar amount for all welfare benefits, a modest amount that we say 'we can afford this.'"

It's been tried; it doesn't work because the welfare consumers lobby for more funding, and the political will doesn't exist to stop them because nobody feels the cost in a direct, immediate way. This brings me to my next point:

If you really want to kill the welfare state, just force governments to pay as they go, other than really short term cash flow type stuff. The only reason we have the kind of welfare state that we do is that we borrow the money and nobody has gotten the bill (yet). If everyone who works got the real tax bill each year, and the costs weren't pushed down the road by borrowing, welfare states would get killed in the cradle. The only welfare you'd have would be basic unemployment insurance and things like that, which we can pay for as we go and decrease societal volatility.

Every society-killing welfare state is funded in some hidden way, whether borrowing or currency debasement (as it was in Roman times). It's not complicated, hand the working people the real bill every year and this shit will stop.

Anonymous Philalethes March 19, 2016 4:37 PM  

Friend just called from Tucson. After about an hour in line (it's still about two hours before the event) he got to the door and was informed he couldn't take his pocket knife inside. Take it back to your car, or throw it away. Nothing about this at the website where he got his ticket. Even water bottles are disallowed (in mid-80° heat). Secret Service all over the place.

He was miffed, about to go home, but I think I persuaded him to take the knife back to the car and get back in line (at the end, of course). You have a chance to see some History, I said. (I once saw Nikita Khrushchev when he whistle-stopped in my town on his U.S. tour – the one where he famously banged his shoe on the table at the UN and declared "We will bury you!")

He hasn't seen any protestors, only one or two critical signs – and three people selling Trump hats etc., two of them black. Racists? Tsk, tsk.

Anonymous Discard March 19, 2016 4:39 PM  

I find it odd that Max Hastings, a military historian, won't point out that European navies can easily stop the immigrants. 450,000 troops to go over there, when the problem could be solved with patrol boats? They don't need the permission of some Moslem BigMan to stop the flow at Mohammed's beach.

Anonymous Discard March 19, 2016 4:43 PM  

33. BGKB: Any ideas on how many non-Whites donate blood?

Anonymous Discard March 19, 2016 4:47 PM  

41. Duraldel Almiras: I have long supported the idea that, after the ruling elites are gone, their daughters ought be loaned out to decent, childless couples. The resulting children will be the father's own, at least.

Blogger Harold March 19, 2016 4:58 PM  

@33 "Has anyone ever seen a non white that did unpaid volunteer work for the general public as opposed to their racial interests? Actually has anyone ever seen a non white unpaid volunteer?"

I live in an rural area that's a whopping 2% black, 1% Asian. Every 2 months or so the local VFD holds a blood drive, which I normally cannot get to. The times I've been, I've never seen a black or Asian giving blood. Curiously, Mennonites are frequently there, and even Amish to donate. There are no reliable figures on the local Mennonite/Amish population, but their primary schools are now larger then the public primary school. The local Boy and Girl Scout troops are 100% white. The only place I regularly see black participation is HS sports.

Normally I give blood in a nearby metro area with a 30+% black population (data from city-data.com) I've seen well more then 100 people giving blood there- and less then 5 blacks in that time.

One of the nearby metro blood banks used to have pictures on the walls of 10, 15, and 20 gallon donors. They were taken down when they moved locations and never put back up. I got some BS story when I asked why not. The why not was simple. 100% of the donors in the pictures was white, and women were represented only in the 10 gallon club, a handful of them amongst the males. The long time steady donors weren't diverse enough. The posters on the wall show women, blacks, Asians, and a handful of white males cheerfully donating. The people on the tables are overwhelmingly white male, with a handful of women, blacks, and Asians...

But to answer, anyone who does volunteer on a regular basis knows the answer to your question. Rarely.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 5:02 PM  

Takin' a Look wrote:@ BGKB

We know :-( even the resident Jews on this blog are open-mouthed in shock over how blatant their (((Big Brethren Elites))) and their fellow shabbos travelers are getting in their undisguised hatred of the goyim.


For what it's worth, and I know it sounds corny, but I don't hold it against the whole (((tribe))). I know what it's like to be demonized, and also I still mourn my late BIL who I loved like the brother I never had.

It's just... weird to be on the other side of the propaganda. And I'm too smart to ignore it. Just because I'm half-German doesn't make me guilty of anything, so I. Don't. Care.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 19, 2016 5:11 PM  

three people selling Trump hats

I was in Las Vegas on vacation last week and stopped by the Trump Hotel gift shop. The Trump hats were $30!

I actually bought a Trump coffee mug which I look forward to taking to the office on Monday, just to see the reaction. Could be a career limiting move. We'll see.

OpenID aew51183 March 19, 2016 5:16 PM  

Vox, I think your estimates of victory by ultra-nationalists in a future civil war may be a bit rosy.

There are a little over 6 million german natives of family formation age (20-34).
Other EU nations are similarly lopsided in their aging.

Meanwhile, pretty much all migrants are this age, and they're taking in millions a year.

Any successful actions by ultra-nationalists will have to happen fairly soon, or the majority status of their populace is due to invert rather quickly, while the rest of the german populace moves further from prime fighting age.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 5:17 PM  

gunner451 wrote:The elites (globally) want more integration and although you may see some fairly violent protests I believe they won’t be sustainable against police/military enforcement of the elites will.

Either science is bullshit and DNA don't care, or you're wrong.

Blogger weka March 19, 2016 5:23 PM  

@AB Prosper.
On religion: you can get people to fight for God and country better than King and country. Most functional big empires (Romanoffs, Ottomans, Brits) had a state religion. They used missionaries to set up schools and hospitals: and garrisoned troops to protect them.

On automation: you need an empire to make it work, as the resources required, even to make a pencil, are spread around the world.

On agnosticism: when the Islamists start crucifying -- as they did in Armenia and are doing in the Islamic state -- then those without faith will wilt. To paraphrase the Kratman, bringing agnosticism to this conflict is akin to bring spears when the opposition has full auto.

The charity we have comes from the church, the friendly societies, and the army. For the Army takes anyone who walks through and accepts the Queen's shilling: digging drains by hand is good training, after all.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 5:26 PM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:So when the nationalists and ultras rise and kick out the non-Euros from Europe...will they be smart enough to also send out the multiculti Euros to ME or Africa? Yeah, it drops the population numbers further but those people aren't tribe anymore seeing as they are traitors, especially if they refuse to repent of their hate of their own.

No.

Do you predict that Europe will further fragment after the EU collapse? You're in Italy, you see how my people still struggle with the sense of nationalism vs. regionalism. Could Europe further fragment they way the USA is fated to do so? The pre-nation tribalism is still there in certain places.

Yes.

I also hope somewhere, some Euro or Euro-descendant country allows White Afrikaners to flee Africa. It's a genocide down there.

Nothing is stopping them but their own dumb asses.

And finally, Vox, what do you think can be done to reverse the birthrate? You've rightly mentioned it can suddenly flip. Would replacing feminist social pressure with pro-family social pressure be enough?

Not Vox. Already happening.

Anonymous Rolf March 19, 2016 5:27 PM  

Q Zen - obviously, any solution will require sufficient political will to committed to follow-through. I think that with proper groundwork laid, it would work. And, of course, when you really do run out of money, reality has a way of providing enforcement that few pols can muster.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 5:38 PM  

Scott6584 wrote:Trump is merely stating what should be obvious when he says our military is going to have to target civilians. But the West is not yet ready to hear it.

But at some point, we will be. You can count on it.


Yes. No. Yes. Of course.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 5:43 PM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:Are these not effective rhetorical attacks?

They are.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 19, 2016 5:51 PM  

@ SciVo

It is weird for most of us. I never in a million years would've believe I'd have the knowledge and thought processes I do now. I'd never thought I'd be a white nationalist. They were kkk neo nazi scum, not me!!! Yet, even though I belong to no organizations, it is simply NOTICING that has lead to here. It's bittersweet.

And yes, the shrill screams of those who have a stake in lies and dispossession are at a decibel level we've never seen before.

Anonymous Millenium March 19, 2016 5:53 PM  

@9 if you have really been fortelling all this since 1991 then you should understand why it is Trump or bust now


@11 Soros is also funding something called democracy spring in America. The protests and riots we have seen so far are nothing compared to what Soros has in store. If I were to guess I'd say his end game is for the US gov to declare martial law and FEMA to get the cattle cars moving. If I were to guess further I'd say Trump's popularity has pushed his schedule ahead. Jeb or Hillary was supposed to declare martial law after America received the same Syria treatment Europe has. Soros is trying to make the best of Trump's rise by using him as a catalyst for nation wide social upheaval but it is backfiring because these protests seem too staged.


@12 Mexico has already annexed Texas. They just have not made it official yet.


@16 The major flaws in your condescending approach is you believing you have the right answers and that you are smarter than everyone else here.


@19 All of us hope we are wrong. I don't want to spend the best years of my life surviving the collapse of civilization. I think the reason Trump's rise is making people froth at the mouth is that he is the first in a position (potentially) to fix things who is admitting that things are broken. Make America Great Again implies that America is not what it was. A lot of people would rather attack the messenger, in the hopes that it he somehow controls the message, then confront a future which they do not find palatable. Its the fate of Cassandra after all.


@20 Who knows

Anyone who has set foot in a social sciences department. History professors are as indoctrinated with Marxist dogma as every other academic outside of STEM that has gone through the college brainwashing program.
You have to go back to the Durants to find historians who learn from history instead of rewriting it.


@40 Your vision and VD' are not mutually exclusive. Europe or America wouldn't be the first empire that has collapsed by focusing too much effort on expanding militarily while the center of the empire crumbles.


@47 That dissertation will make me sound like a racist advocate of genocide and brutality

We don't care. Post it or do not.

Blogger Doom March 19, 2016 5:59 PM  

Conventional historians? History is War. Those who attempt to contrive history as a locus around demographics or tech or such without understanding that war pushes and pulls all that are no historians, but revisionists... blind, deaf, and dumb... or... something else unpalatable.

History IS War. Ignore non-military "historians". Safely, wisely. This doesn't mean I support, or press, for war. It merely means I understand the roots of history.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster March 19, 2016 6:18 PM  

"There is a reason white people have to fly to Africa to dig wells."

When someone talks about the wonders of white people going to Africa to dig wells, I've started telling them how RACIST! they are for believing that Africans are unable to build wells themselves.

Gets some wonderfully amusing responses.

Anonymous VFM 3061 “Chief Who Notice Things Make Chief Go ‘Hmm’” March 19, 2016 6:25 PM  

@ all white man think map of future look like anything but tribal map,

You check out this and see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Americans#/media/File:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg

When bad moon rise and you not look like majority of county you live in, you move quick until you arrive at county full of people look like you. Conservative Republican black man not want to be in Idaho when Federal government fall apart. Likewise white man who love cowboy hats and crappy Tejano music not want be in Albuerquerque when buffalo scat hit fan. Trust Indian Chief, me know what talking about.

Anonymous BGKB March 19, 2016 6:30 PM  

if it goes to war its really going to come to control of food "if you are brown, you don't chow down."

I already got the message that if you are a fruit you should have fruit/nut trees planted & 5 gallon buckets of food.


@ BGKB We know :-( even the resident Jews on this blog are open-mouthed in shock over how blatant their (((Big Brethren Elites)))

I know the little jews suffer the most from ((())). They are the ones that got kicked out of nations after the ones with bags of diamonds and gold fled. The $8billion in US aid to Israel doesn't make it down to them either unless they are working in a strip club. From what I can tell most of the GLBT jews in Israel prefer younger arabs, but probably because the wealth level required to be a sugar daddy/mamma is lower so its probably better they are not going after your kids.

If you really want to kill the welfare state, just force governments to pay as they go, other than really short term cash flow type stuff

We really have no idea how much people eat in tax benefits under our system, the Swiss know that a refusegee family of 8 costs them over $60,000 a month because of Pay As You Go. Each HIV patient eats $2000-$5,000 worth of meds a month(higher rage are low IQ non compliant), and Bath House Barry removed the HIV travel ban in 2009 meaning refusegees coming in just keep adding up. Few people pay enough taxes to support even a fraction of what a refusegee could cost us. I actually spoke out against lifting the ban because I knew it would lead to drug resistant AIDS coming to the US faster, and it is here now.

33. BGKB: Any ideas on how many non-Whites donate blood?

I don't know I have only seen a few blood drives personally & have avoided donating since I left the military. I don't think many do it for free. Even before the gay blood ban was lifted gay junkies would sell their blood to places that buy blood. One of the early sources of HIV contaminated blood was a (((hedgefundguy))) who bought blood from Haiti.

I've started telling them how RACIST! they are for believing that Africans are unable to build wells themselves.

My nieces tried to hit me up for a school collection for charity to dig wells in Africa, I printed them off info about a charity that buys slaves in Africa for $5 each to set them free.

Anonymous BGKB March 19, 2016 6:59 PM  

I should say, I would donate if I could within the rules, but what I would donate would be platelets. My aunt has been donating platelets at around the min rotation time for years, she is type O but they still preferred platelets more, as it takes around 2hrs, but can be done more often. I will have to ask her if she gets credit towards the gallons record for that.

Leftists fought the Red Cross to lift the gay blood ban, but none are going to be donating as the new rule is no men in the past year. If they had a single donation they would have televised it, or maybe not as donors would be a combination of ugly/old/poor.

Anonymous Millenium March 19, 2016 7:31 PM  

@Heaving Bosoms of Liberty: where did my comment go? It was published and now I have refreshed half an hour later and it is gone?

Blogger The Other Robot March 19, 2016 8:03 PM  

The cost of migrants in Denmark? 1.1 billion pounds a year.

84% of welfare recipients in Denmark are migrants.

Blogger Harold March 19, 2016 8:09 PM  

@ VFM 3061 I look at that map and wonder. I've always classed myself as American. For one thing, doing family research, from the listings on that map I'm Irish, German, English, French (From Huguenots), and Dutch. Not listed on that map is Welsh and Scottish, and don't tell the Welsh and Scots they're English. All of the above means none of the above, and defaults to American.

And I imagine there's a larger number of us around then people think.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 8:38 PM  

Harold wrote:All of the above means none of the above, and defaults to American.

And I imagine there's a larger number of us around then people think.


Well of course, that's why the 1/16th Cherokee prince/princess is such a stereotype. The math is inevitable, once you get a few generations down.

Anonymous kfg March 19, 2016 9:00 PM  

". . . they're taking in millions a year."

That's what we call a "target rich environment."

And the fighting age of a German militia will be from about 14 to 80.

Anonymous BGKB March 19, 2016 9:52 PM  

Physical therapist I know was complaining about new male nurses showing up and riding the "glass escalator" to better positions. I've seen more men filling administrative jobs.

A lot of times male nurses don't fit the admin jobs because they want to still wear scrubs/pajamas to work in case they want to help out on the floor and the admins that have alarm clocks in their office to wake them up give them crap about it. I would say a lot of male nurses aim their careers at getting a work from home, case management job with a separate work computer, & picking up some agency hours from time to time. Males also more common as travelers & agency. One of the reasons faggots wear bow ties it that they spread less germs than regular ties.

Anonymous VFM 3061 “Chief Who Notice Things Make Chief Go ‘Hmm’” March 19, 2016 9:59 PM  

@Harold,

Everyone else in village look like you? You no have problem.


You only Protestant in Catholic village? You have problem. Move teepee soon.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin March 19, 2016 10:11 PM  

"Has anyone ever seen a non white that did unpaid volunteer work for the general public as opposed to their racial interests? Actually has anyone ever seen a non white unpaid volunteer?"

Yes. Me. Introverted omega. It's a good way break out of my shell. Socializing is a lot easier when there's actual stuff to be done instead of just standing around and talking.

"One of the nearby metro blood banks used to have pictures on the walls of 10, 15, and 20 gallon donors. They were taken down when they moved locations and never put back up. I got some BS story when I asked why not. The why not was simple. 100% of the donors in the pictures was white, and women were represented only in the 10 gallon club, a handful of them amongst the males. The long time steady donors weren't diverse enough. The posters on the wall show women, blacks, Asians, and a handful of white males cheerfully donating. The people on the tables are overwhelmingly white male, with a handful of women, blacks, and Asians..."

As I quickly learned, my most valuable skill as a volunteer is my ability to diversify publicity photos.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 19, 2016 10:19 PM  

@83 weka, you are kind of missing my point. Big empires are inherently a bad idea. They are what go us into the messes we are in. Smaller nations with a sense of "us" people will fight for. The rest require social engineering. And yes you can social engineer a fight out of people to some degree if you are rich, c.f Scandinavia, it doesn't last.

Now how big a state can be is an interesting question, it may be that say Germany is right sized for its sense of self where the UK is the US is not.

The trick is making sure you are big enough to have nukes and other nasty weapons

As for automation, yes and no. It depends on how things shake out. Trade could completely implode or it could be that the new nations have enough exports to get what they want or to build a tech base of their own

As for automation being complex, I completely agree but it is getting smaller . I can't predict whether it will be cost effective in a shakeup. If it isn't, a big source of trouble will vanish but if automation becomes cheap so that many nations can manage it in the new circumstances, you'll have big issues.

As for any potential "civil war" in Germany , if such a thing happens its not going to be house to house or man to man, its going to be dirty ans age won't count for that much.

Blogger Harold March 19, 2016 10:50 PM  

Sci Vo wrote "Well of course, that's why the 1/16th Cherokee prince/princess is such a stereotype. The math is inevitable, once you get a few generations down."

Doing the family research, discovered that one of my ancestral relatives enjoyed the company of one of the women he owned just before that little unpleasantness in the 1860's. The 1870 census show his mother, by then the family matriarch, was a remarkable woman for the time. All the family that had her blood was living right next to each other. Her blood- her family, regardless of appearance. From that line I'm distantly related to one of the Tuskegee Airmen. And found that it's who's doing the looking that determines what you are. The 1930 census shows one of that line as black. His WWII draft card lists him as white.

So when does that turnover occur? I guess in today's world, you self identify...

Blogger rho March 19, 2016 10:58 PM  

I looked at a globe, and it turns out that angry people from the Middle East will find an easier path into Europe than the United States.

(The United States is currently famous for a popular candidate who is SUPER ANTI-IMMIGRANT and possibly THE NEXT HITLER. It's kind of a meme.)

Europe is a delicious mish-mash of European liberalism with one-and-a-half nutjobs with access to vaguely dangerous weapons.

(Europeans who idolize Breivik would benefit from meeting any guy I hit if I hucked a rock in the French Quarter.)

To quote Ron White accurately, VD is third generation I don't give a fuck.

Blogger SciVo March 19, 2016 11:25 PM  

Harold wrote:From that line I'm distantly related to one of the Tuskegee Airmen. And found that it's who's doing the looking that determines what you are. The 1930 census shows one of that line as black. His WWII draft card lists him as white.

So when does that turnover occur? I guess in today's world, you self identify...


Whoever you are, be proud of it.

I cannot emphasize that enough.

Anonymous Discard March 20, 2016 5:28 AM  

81. aew5111111: Even old men can shoot guns. You don't need to hump a 70 pound pack to beat a mob of Sand People.

Blogger JohnG March 20, 2016 6:34 AM  

About 300,000 required for a country the size of Algeria. But it wouldn't matter if it was a million if we've no intention of fighting to win.

Anonymous Ajax March 20, 2016 2:37 PM  

Hungarian President Orban puts Hungary on a war footing

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Blogger Roger GibsonJr March 20, 2016 5:54 PM  

"European militaries are insignificant...."

Frankly, that's a stretch, given how some of the NATO member nations' militaries recently mobilized for war in Afghanistan-which gives us a clue that there are signs of life in Europe, whether or not the some of said nations tucked tail and ran at the first whisper of a threat from the Taliban.
But even if that were true, we need to be confident that the men and women of Europe will rise up and militarize when direly needed. In fact, doesn't some of these countries require a few years of compulsory military service for their people?
I hope this argument doesn't sound ridiculous, given that I'm unaware of the entire situation on the ground there, the psyche of today's natural born European man.

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2016 12:38 AM  

Roger, the Europeans are screwed. Their beliefs are opposed to their genes. They will defend their kind eventually, but not soon enough, because they believe in the brotherhood of man more than those who will take advantage of them.

We're trying to understand that there are multiple American nations, while there are so many European nations that people like me said it was stupid as heck to make the EU in the first place.

And in order to understand the American nations, we have to understand how completely different the European nations are. The Indo-Europeans failed to conquer the Finns, Hungarians, Basque, and others. While the Germans tried three times to conquer Europe and succeeded the third time with the EU, while also conquering the US without even trying.

Blogger JohnG March 21, 2016 2:39 AM  

@109 not true. The biggest contribution anybody had in Afghanistan was 2000 troops (Brits, French Germany), with most having contingents of only 500 (the Canadians for example). Most of them have drawn down significantly in the last couple years. We provide the bases, the food, the ammunition, and the gas for their vehicles. There no NATO aircraft flying off of Baghram today at all. They were also more trouble than they were worth over here, their political ROE prohibited them from actioning objectives (ie, killing people) so our long term efforts were frustrated by our "allies". There's plenty of white papers on what a clusterf*ck NATO was over here.

Blogger Roger GibsonJr March 21, 2016 9:31 PM  

Blinded they are. I believe it's true what you say about the European belief in the brotherhood of man, while those taking advantage of them....not so much.
And yes, the EU was a stupid idea, imho.

Blogger Roger GibsonJr March 21, 2016 9:34 PM  

What about the British? Can't we at least sleep well knowing they've killed some enemies and contributed.... some?
Thanks for the reply, though. Stay safe over there.

Blogger Roger GibsonJr March 21, 2016 9:42 PM  

Maybe we should've asked the South Koreans for a little help in Afghanistan. Last time they were our allies in a warzone(Vietnam), they were the most feared and dreaded force in the theatre.
ROK forces knew how to repay a debt. EU and NATO, on the other hand, guess they've forgotten.

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