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Sunday, March 13, 2016

National Review hates working class whites

The beauty of the Trump campaign is that it is unmasking all of the entryists, infiltrators, and cuckservatives who have been leading conservatives astray for decades. Case in point, the white-hating "conservative" Kevin Williamson:
In a featured article for the prestigious conservative journal entitled “The FatherFuhrer,” Williamson seeks to rebut criticism that he and other conservatives don’t articulate any policies that would appeal to Trump’s blue collar supporters.

Williamson, a long-time critic of The Donald, essentially agrees that he doesn’t support any policies or rhetoric directly tailored to the working-class — particularly about jobs being taken by outsourcing and immigration — because it would be wrong to do so.

“It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces,” the NR roving correspondent writes. “[N]obody did this to them. They failed themselves.”

He then goes on to make the conclusion that it’s great these communities are dying out because they have a warped morality and are a dead weight on the economy.

“The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible,” the conservative writer says.
What is conservative about calling working class white communities morally indefensible and deserving of death?

It's telling that National Review, which fired everyone from Sobran to Derbyshire, not only didn't fire Williamson, they published his appalling, anti-white hate.

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161 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 13, 2016 11:33 AM  

How did they do it to themselves? When did a community have to pass some kind of productivity test to live?

Williamson sounds like one of these satanic NHS "ethicists".

Anonymous Epimetheus March 13, 2016 11:49 AM  

Another name for Madame Defarge.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 13, 2016 11:49 AM  

Deport the DysNational Review.

I forgot we are not allowed to have anything!

All we allowed to do is obey, consume, obey, neocon, worship failed ideas, worship failure non leaders, starve, fear, shop, fear, neocon everyone, fear, starve, lose our homes, don't think just feel, consume, feel, shop, fear, gloom, doom, toil and bleed for these vile desk jockeys who exiled Derb.

Checking stats on readership for NR, I suggest readership is down, leaderships a clown. Unless the baby humorsboomers haven't got a clue yet but boomers do have a clue they just never shutup

Blogger Jew613 March 13, 2016 11:51 AM  

If Kevin Williamson wanted to drive the white working class into the arms of Trump, and failing that back to the democrats he couldnt have done a better job if he'd written all Trade Unions should be made illegal.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 13, 2016 11:52 AM  

"Economically, they are negative assets."

Especially since the Yankee corporations that got rich by looting the wealth of the South during the War of Northern Aggression have moved on from looting the natural resources of rural white communities. The lumber and coal companies have raped West Virginia, Southern Illinois
and Eastern Kentucky for almost a century.

Fuck Williamson with a rusty pick ax.

OpenID paworldandtimes March 13, 2016 11:53 AM  

Every White plumber, electrician, and car mechanic in the Unites States should from here on refuse to provide Williamson with any service.

Something that strikes me about neocons and cucks is the sheer ugliness of their thinking. This ugliness is unmatched by any other brand of ideologue, all of whom, no matter how terrible, operate on some manner of internal aesthetic and pretense to moral virtue.

PA

Blogger MATT March 13, 2016 11:55 AM  

Is dis why it be da BLACK mans tiime?

Blogger Beefy Levinson March 13, 2016 11:56 AM  

All in all it's just another brick in the wall.

Blogger Escoffier March 13, 2016 11:56 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote:"Economically, they are negative assets."

Especially since the Yankee corporations that got rich by looting the wealth of the South during the War of Northern Aggression have moved on from looting the natural resources of rural white communities. The lumber and coal companies have raped West Virginia, Southern Illinois

and Eastern Kentucky for almost a century.

Fuck Williamson with a rusty pick ax.


You forgot jagged. When you want the full, long lasting sensual rusty pick ax experience choose jagged every time.

Anonymous Nxx March 13, 2016 11:56 AM  

It's been less than a year since the "cuckservative" meme was invented.

The GOPe establishment devastation that it has left and is still leaving in its wake is truly awe inspiring.

One word. That's all it is. And yet it has already redefined the US election and changed the course of history.

Just imagine the thermonuclear impact should the alt right invent a new word that counters the word "racist".

Blogger Escoffier March 13, 2016 11:58 AM  

paworldandtimes wrote:Every White plumber, electrician, and car mechanic in the Unites States should from here on refuse to provide Williamson with any service.

Something that strikes me about neocons and cucks is the sheer ugliness of their thinking. This ugliness is unmatched by any other brand of ideologue, all of whom, no matter how terrible, operate on some manner of internal aesthetic and pretense to moral virtue.

PA


Isn't this just another in a long line of 'New Soviet Economic Man' type thinking where the person must serve the economy, not the other way round?

I'm always reminded of Christ noting to the Neocons of that age that the Sabbath was made for men not Men for the Sabbath.

Blogger tublecane March 13, 2016 11:59 AM  

That is a profoundly stupid article, and I don't want to get into why. I just wonder how we went from a National Review that was at least skeptical of if not opposed to the civil rights movement of the sixties to one that not only wouldn't publish the exact same article about the black working class, but would essentially call for the author of such an article to be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. That's "conservatism" according to Conservative, Inc., for you. Who needs communities--besides non-whites, perhaps--when we can all live in cosmopolitan paradises like D.C.?

Blogger Hunsdon March 13, 2016 12:00 PM  

NRO lying athwart history, begging, "Faster please."

Anonymous fred March 13, 2016 12:00 PM  

This is a guy who was clearly beat up a lot as a kid (in West TX evidently) and has kept that harbored rage stuck deep inside him. And now that the gloves (and masks) are coming off everywhere he is letting it ALL spill out.

Unfortunately for him, he is the ultimate leechfuck as he does nothing of real use to anyone - he produces nothing, designs nothing, builds nothing - he just a giant sucking Taker. And ALL these diatribes are on the web forever so they can print them up and hang them around his neck after they hang him from a lamppost some day in the near future.

The bill is now due and a lot of people are going to be very surprised at the price they will pay for choosing the wrong side.

Blogger Lovekraft March 13, 2016 12:02 PM  

The irony of a fawning establishment 'journalist' calling the working class 'dead weight' is priceless.

How any moderate small-l liberal could continue to ignore the massive hypocrisy and bias of the media is something psychologists should be studying in depth.

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 12:04 PM  

What a coward. He would NEVER say this about Detroit, Baltimore or any black hell hole. If you travel the Rio Grande Valley in Texas, you will find 99% Mexican towns where people still use outhouses and there are no public services to speak of. Complete 3rd world hell holes. Williamson would NEVER use this sort of rhetoric to describe these communities.
He uses this tough talk because he realizes that white working class people are the only group left that you can still s*** on with impunity in the US.

Blogger tublecane March 13, 2016 12:07 PM  

I thought I should repeat here what I said on another thread, which is that I think this article is evil. I say this as a non-working class white believer in free trade.

Blogger MATT March 13, 2016 12:07 PM  

The rich always hate the poor that remind them of themselves. Rich blacks that grew up rich hate poor blacks. Rich whites just like having Brown pets.

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 12:08 PM  

Between overt welfare and government employment, about 50% of blacks are useless, unproductive dead-weight. Will this vermin publish an NR article stating this fact? In my home city, the only enterprises in majority black areas are social service agencies, nail salons, pawn shops and dialysis clinics. Are these communities morally degenerate and do they deserve to die? Filthy coward.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 13, 2016 12:09 PM  

When your enemies are shooting each other, the next thing to do is institute a program that magnetically attracts enemies embedded among your REMF's, getting them to cluster around a bomb, toxin or pathogen of limited range.

Let them actively clutch to their breasts the grenade you provided.

The left, disguised as right, is doing this today. We know the open left. Cuckservatives are the left in right's clothes.

Happy to see them stand up and be counted as the morally bankrupt scum they are.

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 12:13 PM  

My county is 30% black. Blacks account for over 80% of STD cases in the county. Are black communities morally degenerate? Why not?

Blogger Patrick March 13, 2016 12:15 PM  

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Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 12:17 PM  

“The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible,” the conservative writer says.

There are three claims here.

1) these communities are negative economic assets

2) these communities are morally indefensible

3) communities that are 1 and 2 deserve to die.

Are these claims true?

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 12:20 PM  

Josh:

BY Williamson's own logic, pretty much every black and hispanic community in the US deserves to die. But he only singles out whites. Because he is a coward who shills the narrative. I have emailed my comments to his NRO account. I am eager to see if he answers.

Blogger dienw March 13, 2016 12:24 PM  

The NeoCohens once again intend to slaughter the Kulaks; this time through deception until no longer necessary.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 12:31 PM  

BY Williamson's own logic, pretty much every black and hispanic community in the US deserves to die.

Do you agree with his logic?

OpenID simplytimothy March 13, 2016 12:36 PM  

@23 Josh

There is a presupposition to his claims--that the centralized state's interests trump ours.
Remove that supposition and replace it with state's/community interests and you see the latent globalism in KDW's worldview, a worldview rejected by Trump supporters.





Anonymous Just Sayin' March 13, 2016 12:37 PM  

Ted Cruz ought to disavow the endorsement from National Review online.

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 12:39 PM  

Josh:

No, I don't. I don't see anything in his article that leads me to believe that the communities he describes are morally indefensible. Even when they are down on their luck, their rates of violent crime, dependency and bastardy are far lower than equivalent black and hispanic communities.

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 12:43 PM  

Josh:

Who decides criteria 1 and 2 anyway? An NRO blogger? By what authority?

Anonymous Faceless March 13, 2016 12:43 PM  

Ted Cruz supporters sure don't look like Christians with this behavior.

Paul: "9 James, Cephas[c] and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along."

James: "14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."

Blogger tublecane March 13, 2016 12:44 PM  

@29-Guessing at Williamson's position on non-white communities, he'd say outside forces are to blame for their plight: namely, misgovernment, unions, racism, etc. Whites aren't affected by any if these things, apparently, and are the masters of their own destinies. Unlike our colored chillun', who need Official Conservativedom's equivalent of Big Mother's protection.

Anonymous Nxx March 13, 2016 12:50 PM  

There are three claims here.

1) these communities are negative economic assets

2) these communities are morally indefensible

3) communities that are 1 and 2 deserve to die.

Are these claims true?


They are with regard to National Review.

1. NR is a perpetual loss maker
2. Cuckservatism is indeed morally indefensible
3. Rubio's 13% confirms ideological rigor mortis

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 12:50 PM  

Here's another thought:

Do these criteria (economically unproductive and morally degenerate) apply to people? Do those meeting criteria 1 and 2 deserve to die?

Anonymous The other robot March 13, 2016 12:54 PM  

An invigorated Donald Trump will appear at a handful of rallies Sunday despite a climate of growing tension, as his White House rivals warn that the Republican's heated rhetoric is fanning dangerous flames.

Pot, kettle, black?

Blogger Positive Dennis March 13, 2016 1:01 PM  

Lower class angst is real. But it is not limited to that class.

http://www.prophecypodcast.com/journal/2016/2/9/lower-class-angst.html

Anonymous Wyrd March 13, 2016 1:03 PM  

So what is happening, Donald does well with voters who have relatively low information, who are not that engaged and who are angry and they see him as an angry voice.

Cruz views you as an ignorant retard. Limbaugh can parse this statement all he wants, but "low information" is hardly a term of endearment.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 1:06 PM  

Cruz views you as an ignorant retard. Limbaugh can parse this statement all he wants, but "low information" is hardly a term of endearment.

Correct. It is a dog whistle meaning "ignorant, knuckle-dragging retards."

However, many of those supporting Trump know what it really means.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 1:07 PM  

@29-Guessing at Williamson's position on non-white communities, he'd say outside forces are to blame for their plight: namely, misgovernment, unions, racism, etc. Whites aren't affected by any if these things, apparently, and are the masters of their own destinies. Unlike our colored chillun', who need Official Conservativedom's equivalent of Big Mother's protection.

Rather than guessing, you could always go read his positions for yourself.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 1:15 PM  

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367903/white-ghetto-kevin-d-williamson

Owsley County, Ky. — There are lots of diversions in the Big White Ghetto, the vast moribund matrix of Wonder Bread–hued Appalachian towns and villages stretching from northern Mississippi to southern New York, a slowly dissipating nebula of poverty and misery with its heart in eastern Kentucky, the last redoubt of the Scots-Irish working class that picked up where African slave labor left off, mining and cropping and sawing the raw materials for a modern American economy that would soon run out of profitable uses for the class of people who 500 years ago would have been known, without any derogation, as peasants. Thinking about the future here and its bleak prospects is not much fun at all, so instead of too much black-minded introspection you have the pills and the dope, the morning beers, the endless scratch-off lotto cards, healing meetings up on the hill, the federally funded ritual of trading cases of food-stamp Pepsi for packs of Kentucky’s Best cigarettes and good old hard currency, tall piles of gas-station nachos, the occasional blast of meth, Narcotics Anonymous meetings, petty crime, the draw, the recreational making and surgical unmaking of teenaged mothers, and death: Life expectancies are short — the typical man here dies well over a decade earlier than does a man in Fairfax County, Va. — and they are getting shorter, women’s life expectancy having declined by nearly 1.1 percent from 1987 to 2007. If the people here weren’t 98.5 percent white, we’d call it a reservation.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 1:17 PM  

Facts matter: Michael Brown was not an innocent gunned down in cold blood by police in Ferguson, Mo., and it is far from obvious that African Americans are killed by police at meaningfully higher rates than whites, and may in fact be killed at lower rates when the very different rates of violent crime in the two communities are controlled for.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431132/lee-bacas-lesson-police-arent-good-guys

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 1:19 PM  

Also keep in mind that the Great White Savior God-Emperor Trump supports affirmative action.

Does Trump hate the white working class?

Blogger tublecane March 13, 2016 1:20 PM  

@39-I could, of course, but I have better things to do than read the Kevin Williamson oeuvre. Especially after how thoroughly this execrable article turned me off.

Anonymous grey enlightenment March 13, 2016 1:20 PM  

Report NRO to the thought police for saying mean things

IDk..I think his message is about communities and the people who comprise them having to to bear some responsibility for their circumstances. Rather than being told niceties, they (these communities) need to be told the truth, or risk 'dying off'. In other words, evolve or die.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 1:21 PM  

Also keep in mind that the Great White Savior God-Emperor Trump supports affirmative action.

Josh, keep speaking truth to power. All those claiming that Trump is perfect should be ashamed!

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 1:23 PM  

Josh:

I read the white ghetto article. My question remains: do black and hispanic communities deserve to die? Do unproductive blacks and hispanics deserve to die? Are blacks and hispanics morally degenerate? Now, if you can find a Williamson article that uses the same tone and vitriol to describe blacks, I will concede. I have been unable to find one.

Anonymous Steve March 13, 2016 1:24 PM  

“The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible,” the conservative writer says.

"Plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, pest control technicians and car mechanics are expendable!" says typist for a loss-making tiny-circulation magazine, as he boards the Golgafrincham B-Ark.

Anonymous Cash March 13, 2016 1:24 PM  

trump is inspiring those kinds of people. He is showing them the way. Make America Great Again is his message.

And you little pricks hate that. You just want to feel like you are better than the lower class whites.

Anonymous DissidentRight March 13, 2016 1:25 PM  

1) No.

2) No.

3) No.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 1:25 PM  

@39-I could, of course, but I have better things to do than read the Kevin Williamson oeuvre. Especially after how thoroughly this execrable article turned me off.

Well then you shouldn't speculate about what he would have written.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin March 13, 2016 1:26 PM  

“The rich always hate the poor that remind them of themselves. Rich blacks that grew up rich hate poor blacks.”

I actually see very little of this kind of intra-racial hatred among black Americans. There’s tension at times, but nothing like the entrenched and unbridgeable hatred that is common among whites. There’s a degree of pandering and hypocrisy at work, to be sure, but by and large elite blacks really do respect and celebrate the liveliness and authenticity of an underclass that seems fundamentally content with its leadership (while often voicing superficial dissatisfaction).
The visceral hatred tends to be focused on the rare apostate, who is typically of humble origins.

Blogger kmbr March 13, 2016 1:27 PM  

I just read this guy's Twitter TL. Who are these people? He has many white people singing his praises for this article.

It's absolutely staggering that these people exist. They can't even take their own side in a fight.



Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 1:30 PM  

" Rather than being told niceties, they (these communities) need to be told the truth, or risk 'dying off'. In other words, evolve or die."

My issue remains that only white communities are told this. Conservatism Inc would never think to say this about black and hispanic communities that are far more dysfunctional. Instead, they get outreach and pandering. Remember Rand Paul's Detroit republican nonsense. When blacks and hispanics are told to die off, I will consider the same for white communities.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 1:30 PM  

I read the white ghetto article. My question remains: do black and hispanic communities deserve to die? Do unproductive blacks and hispanics deserve to die? Are blacks and hispanics morally degenerate? Now, if you can find a Williamson article that uses the same tone and vitriol to describe blacks, I will concede. I have been unable to find one.

On Puerto Rico:

In sum: Giant welfare state, crippled private sector limiting the tax base, massive shift away from full-time employment, and public-sector union goons with their hands out repeating the only slogan that really matters to them: “F*** you, pay me.” Which is to say, Puerto Rico today is Illinois the day after tomorrow, along with California, New Jersey, Connecticut, etc.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428488/puerto-rico-bailout-just-say-no

On Baltimore:

The evidence suggests very strongly that the left-wing, Democratic claques that run a great many American cities — particularly the poor and black cities — are not capable of running a school system or a police department. They are incompetent, they are corrupt, and they are breathtakingly arrogant. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore — this is what Democrats do.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417601/riot-plagued-baltimore-catastrophe-entirely-democratic-partys-own-making-kevin-d

On Detroit:

Detroit is what Democrats do. The last Republican elected mayor of Detroit took office during the Eisenhower administration. The decay of Detroit is not the inevitable outcome of the decline of the automotive industry: The automotive industry is thriving in the United States — but not in Detroit. It isn’t white flight: The black middle class has left Detroit as fast as it can. The model of Detroit politics is startlingly familiar in its fundamentals, distinguished only by its degree of advancement: Advance the interests of public-sector unions and politically connected business cronies, expand the relative size of the public sector remorselessly — and when opposed, cry “Racism!” When people vote with their feet, cry “Racism!” When the budget just won’t balance, cry “Racism!” Never mind that the current mayor of Detroit is the first non–African American to hold that job since the 1970s, or that, as one Detroit News columnist put it, “black nationalism . . . is now the dominant ideology of the [city] council” — somewhere, there must be a somebody else to blame, preferably: aged, portly, white, male, and Republican.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/370095/progressivism-kills-kevin-d-williamson

Anonymous Cash March 13, 2016 1:31 PM  

I love the comparison to DC in contrast to the "white ghetto." Sorry bro but not all of us get to suck the life out of the rest of the country to fund our civilized lifestyle.

Blogger tublecane March 13, 2016 1:31 PM  

@50-I don't see why I shouldn't speculate. I shouldn't assume, but so long as I know I'm speculating what's the harm? After all, we can't always have direct knowledge and sometimes speculation turns out to be accurate.

Unless I'm bad at it. But am I? Just to humor you, however, I checked out two Williamson articles on Detroit: "Clueless in Detroit" and "Progressivism Kills." Surely enough, he blames progressives, the Democrat party, black political leadership, and public sector unions. He does not say the black community in Detroit is morally indefensible nor that it deserves to die. Big surprise.

Anonymous #NeverTrump March 13, 2016 1:33 PM  

LOL....what did Kevin Williamson say that isn't true?

Read a book (Von Mises)... trailer trash whites contribute nothing to GDP, worse they are tax-consumers.

President Cruz will take out the white trash. Good riddence!

Anonymous aegis-1080 March 13, 2016 1:33 PM  

@52

Other races on the US don't have the North/South divide. To me, it appears that US politics is about two groups of white people that don't like each other, and a bunch of mercenaries on one side of the fence.

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 1:34 PM  

Josh:

I am familiar with his work.

Same old Conservative Inc rhetoric:
1) Dems are real racists
2) Unions did this
3) It isn't racial

No where does he state that these cities (and the people within) are morally degenerate and deserve to die off.

Because if he did he would get fired.

Anonymous grey enlightenment March 13, 2016 1:34 PM  

My issue remains that only white communities are told this. Conservatism Inc would never think to say this about black and hispanic communities that are far more dysfunctional. Instead, they get outreach and pandering. Remember Rand Paul's Detroit republican nonsense. When blacks and hispanics are told to die off, I will consider the same for white communities.

He he explicitly mentioned black communities, he may lose his job. Remember what they did to Derb. He probably could have worded it better.

Anonymous nothern refugee March 13, 2016 1:37 PM  

"He he explicitly mentioned black communities, he may lose his job. Remember what they did to Derb. He probably could have worded it better."
This is my point. He is a filthy coward who shill the left's narrative.

Blogger tublecane March 13, 2016 1:38 PM  

@54-Did you read the quotes you posted? Where is the contempt and the calls for the death of the communities as with the white working class? His moral indignation is reserved for the political leadership, the unions, everything but the black communities themselves.

Blogger exfarmkid March 13, 2016 1:39 PM  

Found the source article and read it. So, if I understand his scribbling, Williamson claims that the average blue-collar white male worker has not been screwed over by globalization, and it's their own damn fault for not adapting to the extreme changes his class of people have caused. Essentially it's raining soup, go get a bucket.

Don't think that Williamson has considered the possibility that not every man has abstract reasoning capabilities (e.g. can write for a living, or do other cerebral work): It's all well and good to tell millions of able-bodied blue-collar American men to go to where the jobs are, but there are not enough jobs of that sort in these United States.

So, we have millions of able-bodied men with no future as far as they can see and the "establishment" class sees no problem. What could possibly happen?

Anonymous Jon Bromfield March 13, 2016 1:39 PM  

"NRO lying athwart history, begging, 'Faster please.'"

Perfect.

Blogger tublecane March 13, 2016 1:40 PM  

@50-I don't see why I shouldn't speculate. I shouldn't assume, but so long as I know I'm speculating what's the harm? After all, we can't always have direct knowledge and sometimes speculation turns out to be accurate.

Unless I'm bad at it. But am I? Just to humor you, however, I checked out two Williamson articles on Detroit: "Clueless in Detroit" and "Progressivism Kills." Surely enough, he blames progressives, the Democrat party, black political leadership, and public sector unions. He does not say the black community in Detroit is morally indefensible nor that it deserves to die. Big surprise.

Blogger tublecane March 13, 2016 1:40 PM  

@39-I could, of course, but I have better things to do than read the Kevin Williamson oeuvre. Especially after how thoroughly this execrable article turned me off.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 1:41 PM  

Found the source article and read it.

Link?

Blogger Chiva March 13, 2016 1:41 PM  

Imagine the butthurt if an article was written like this:

“It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the black working class that finds itself attracted to Hillary has been victimized by outside forces,” the NPR roving correspondent writes. “[N]obody did this to them. They failed themselves.”

Anonymous bgkb March 13, 2016 1:44 PM  

The avg SAT score for the richest Blacks, from families earning over $200,000 a year is 981, while the avg SAT score for the poorest White trash from families earning under $20,000 a year is 978. There is effectively no cognitive difference between the richest blacks as a group and the poorest white trash(the category under working class whites), 1/3 of 1% is a rounding error in fact the SAT has been trying to make blacks have higher scores by removing questions they can't do since before I took it, so its likely that the poorest white trash actually is better at geometry.

Chart from a page of the Journal of Blacks In Higher EDU webpage itself http://www.jbhe.com/latest/index012209_p.html

Anonymous Cash March 13, 2016 1:45 PM  

We do have a problem with a growing white underclass. Culturally they are starting to look a lot like the black neighborhoods. They in large part dress the same, speak the same, etc.

Trump supporters are mostly the people who do not want their kids to fall into the underclass while the whores in DC, New York, and other places become the ghetto pimps and bosses.

The solution is not a moving truck. Are we going to move all of Baltimore, Detroit, Puerto Rico and Coal Country to DC? No that is absurd.

America did just fine with this class of people for hundreds of years and we can do great with them again.

Of course they don't deserve anything. Stop giving them a bunch of free stuff and I bet things will start to improve dramatically.

Make no mistake about it though. If you are smug in your middle class job while looking down on the white trash, just remember son, they are coming for you next.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 13, 2016 1:45 PM  

Jim Goad was exposing this back in 1997 with The Redneck Manifesto.

Anonymous BGKB March 13, 2016 1:48 PM  

I love the comparison to DC in contrast to the "white ghetto." Sorry bro but not all of us get to suck the life out

Even more telling is when there is are multiple stories of a black couple both making 6 figures in a DC suburb but admit they are too stupid to understand how a mortgage works.

Anonymous Cash March 13, 2016 1:48 PM  

Be nice to your white trash for they will make good soldiers when the day comes.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 1:49 PM  

Of course they don't deserve anything. Stop giving them a bunch of free stuff and I bet things will start to improve dramatically.

That's what Williamson is saying.

Blogger Unknown March 13, 2016 1:49 PM  

You hear that you stupid Hillbillies? We don't need your coal much anymore, and thanks for the mountain tops and black lung. How about you dumb fuck steelworkers who built this country's rails and bridges. Your dilapidated towns in ruins as the corporate executives and Congress worked to separate you from your unearned pensions. We tried to tell you that your car designs were not keeping up with the rest of the world, but you shouted us down, and told us to just put the things together. Hey there mister one-leg vet, you naive shit. We have drones now so thanks for your PTSD and limbs, but we have Google, and tech and stuff. Williamson is right you know. We are dysfunctional and wounded;our communities in tatters and or people dispirited and being replaced. You people in these towns are the legacy of a country that used you, your health, your environment, your young men, and your happiness. That don't want or need you anymore. They have cheap labor, open borders, international finance, and zero trade barriers. It may be time to let let the Williamson's, the Mexicans, the Chinese, and all the HB-! visa boys fight and die to protect this place. It may be time to just say fuck you, you people do it.

Anonymous #NeverTrump March 13, 2016 1:53 PM  

Josh.... most of the commentators here are low-IQ toothless hillbillies.

Easier for them to blame "da joos" than take responsibility for their failed lives. Sad to see Vox Day devolve into an alt-right nazi the last 12 months...

...but white trash is what white trash does.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab March 13, 2016 1:54 PM  

I have been arguing these points at another site. A supposedly right wing constitutionalist site. In the last week or so the owner has been urging people to be civil and honest in dealing with Trump supporters. Instead many of his regular commenters and even some of his other writers piled on Trump.

They call him every vile name, compare him to Hitler, and call his supporters everything from losers (mildest) to authoritarians looking for their Fuhrer.

The GOPe and even the 'principled right' have unhinged themselves over Trump. I have been warning them if the right doesn't stop with the anti-Trump demagoguing they wouldn't like the results. Now they are reaping what they sow and some still don't see it.

Anonymous Steve March 13, 2016 2:02 PM  


Don't think that Williamson has considered the possibility that not every man has abstract reasoning capabilities (e.g. can write for a living, or do other cerebral work): It's all well and good to tell millions of able-bodied blue-collar American men to go to where the jobs are, but there are not enough jobs of that sort in these United States.


Nailed it.

These ivory tower dwelling, cocktail party attending, jizz-crusted bowtie wearing types don't seem to grok the full implications of the bell curve for IQ distribution or what a society is.

There is, and always will be, about one half of the population who aren't suited to the knowledge economy.

Furthermore, we can't all work as professional typists for tiny-circulation loss-making cuckazines. Because we'd all starve to death while our bony, emaciated fingers pecked out their last pean to the foamy frenulal fabulousness of Marco Rubio.

We need ditch diggers and washing machine repairmen and cops and brain surgeons and welders and receptionists and farmers and soldiers and engineers and just about any other job you can name far, far, far more than we need Kevin D Williamsonseses.

A society that scorns and abandons its average working Joes is a society that's about to discover why it would be shit to live in Snake Plissken's world.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:05 PM  

These ivory tower dwelling, cocktail party attending, jizz-crusted bowtie wearing types don't seem to grok the full implications of the bell curve for IQ distribution or what a society is.

Au contraire. I believe they do understand, but the parasite has to have ways to keep the host subdued, so they come up with ways to 'other' that segment they want to replace.

Blogger J Hávarðr March 13, 2016 2:08 PM  

Spot on #72 and #74. I am a Veteran and current federal LEO. My home town is in Appalachian KY and one NRO wants to die. My sons WILL NOT serve for their "betters". Let the "new" Americans and rich whites fight in the coming wars. Not mine.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 2:12 PM  

current federal LEO. My home town is in Appalachian KY

Raylan, is that you?

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:15 PM  

@78: Rudyard Kipling is always correct in these matters.

Although I have come a long way from my working class background, I still appreciate a man who can do a real day's work or who is prepared to sacrifice his life for the rest of us.

Blogger exfarmkid March 13, 2016 2:23 PM  

Josh, sorry about that. Found a ripped off copy which matched the first two paragraphs at the National Review paywall and assumed it was unaltered. Not very good textual criticism, mind you, but still....

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=198401.0

Blogger praetorian March 13, 2016 2:26 PM  

Just imagine the thermonuclear impact should the alt right invent a new word that counters the word "racist".

Meme magic is real, and I don't say that as a joke.

Josh, I see what you are getting at and I certainly have problems with the increasingly feral behavior of whites (although I remain skeptical of most statistics) but the article is deeply unfair: the ex-middle class *is* the victim of external (outside) forces that destroyed their productive base, removed social moral strictures that kept their womenfolk in check and propagandized atheistic materialism.

Does the same reasoning apply to Blacks, Hispanics, etc? To a greater or lesser extent, sure. But there are other issues with those communities that they will have to deal with, and, besides, that is not what we are talking about here.

The smaller communities did not deserve to die, they could and should be economically productive assets and, assuming proper economic relations with the rest of the world, they are morally far preferable to major cities or The Suburbia Rampant of Silicon Valley or LA.

Anonymous Elite Rope March 13, 2016 2:26 PM  

Why is it that when the elite KNOWS people are pissed off, they always try to piss off the rabble even more to the point that the mob gets into a murderous rage and starts killing everything that even remotely LOOKS elite?

I mean, have these elites even read about the French Revolution?

Honestly, I can't tell if they're evil and stupid or just incredibly evil to the point that they're willing to shit on people at the price of their own lives. Because antics like "eat shit and die, white worker bees" will incite exactly that sort of response in time.

Blogger Billy March 13, 2016 2:31 PM  

"Detroit is what Democrats do."

For black's failures he blames democrats, liberalism. While blaming white working class shortcoming on a lack of morals.

Fuck him.

Anonymous Commander K March 13, 2016 2:32 PM  

I'm personally not paying too much attention to the stuck-pig squealing emanating from the cucks and neocons over at NR. As agenda setters, they're now pretty much a spent force in the republican party and they know it.
I personally have my own safe space over at John Podhoretz's twitter feed. I just head over there when I start feeling overwhelmed. His chicken-little Trump posts always seem to make me feel better.

OpenID simplytimothy March 13, 2016 2:39 PM  

I presently reside in the Appalachian Redoubt. Some observations.

They are very good people.
They are poor.
They work hard.
Their families are very strong; they delight in their children.
They will thrive in this growing depression and grow fat(ter) off the land.
They are armed to the teeth.
They are politically aware of the large scale culture clash occurring now and are preparing for civil war.
They are law abiding.
They are polite.
They are fully aware of the cultural rot that permeates Kevin Williamson's land
There is a LOT of military tradition here. retired Marine Corps NCO are a large part of the landscape.

There is a depth of history and respect for the dead. We have Confederate graves decorated every decoration day, maintained by families on "their" graveyard.

Their is a measure of cultural rot intruding, but it is marginalized, not mainstreamed like in the cities.

There is a church in 'every' valley.

People openly talk about their God in public and pray in public.

Living here, feels like living in Florida before it was populated by New Yorkers and Northerners.

Living here is 'hard' as in 'physically hard'. One doesn't just 'walk down the block' to the store to pick up some milk and stroll back. Getting there takes effort.

The land itself forces changes on you.

The attitude of NRO has surprised me, but I am glad they have revealed themselves. They are not my people. The people here, are.

Blogger YIH March 13, 2016 2:45 PM  

exfarmkid:
It's all well and good to tell millions of able-bodied blue-collar American men to go to where the jobs are, but there are not enough jobs of that sort in these United States.
Two years ago quite a few did - places like the Dakotas and Texas, due to the 'fracking' boom. Then guess what happened?
They moved, and then the rug got pulled out from under them.
Same with all those over the past 20 years who got told ''get a STEM degree, get into tech'' then watch the rug get pulled out from under them as well.
There are a whole lot of people who can't hop from writing gig to writing gig to writing gig to writing gig.

Blogger Artisanal Toad March 13, 2016 2:48 PM  

The worst lies always contain a large portion of truth:

"The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets."

He left out the fact they've been economically raped, pillaged and plundered, but amazingly they're still alive. They're hamstrung and shackled by oceans of regulations and need some help. The best way to help is for the Government to stop doing everything possible to keep people from creating jobs.

Having said that, let's apply it to Trump rallies. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to set up a rolling weapons storage business for CCW holders who want to attend events like a Trump rally where they can't carry, but don't want to leave their protection at home or locked in the car. Ideally it would be set up inside the facility with a special entrance for CCW holders. Check it at the door, pick it up on the way out.

Can't do it inside? Set up immediately outside a designated entrance with semi-trailers and barricades, we aren't talking about rocket science. Charge $20 a head for storing the weapons and I'm willing to bet the biggest problem in most states at a lot of these type events would be storage capacity. If only 10% carry (and in some places among Trump supporters it would be more like a minimum of 25%) then an audience of 15,000 people would mean 1500 customers, $30k in sales. Hell, I'd jump on it if Trump was willing to support it.

Now, how easy would it be for a pro-gun rights candidate like Trump to work with a company that did such a thing and make it part of the event as a service in the interest of public safety? Whoa! Do we now have a litmus test on gun rights for candidates? Damn! And how much would the storage data numbers be worth in terms of what percentage of folks supporting any specific candidate are the kind that actually carry? We'll call that the "back end profit."

Separate entrance for CCW holders? Frame it as a VIP entrance, the most *polite* of entrances that serves only the most responsible of people. The safest point of entry and exit to any event. That's the kind of thing that would make it cool to carry rather than a social stigma.

Pay attention Trumpsters.

Nationwide CCW? Call it the "Trump Card." If any of you Trump staffers are reading this, think about the fight with Hillary (even better if it was Bernie) that's coming and her position on guns. You need crossover votes from those conservative Dems. Y'all are going to have lots of events, so make your events friendly for those folks who carry. Frame it as something that responsible Americans do. In other words, make it cool to carry.

Hint: You can't make America great again without responsible Americans, and anybody with a CCW has self-selected as a responsible person, by definition. You guys can brand the hell out of this just by calling it the "Trump Card." How many millions in free airtime and news coverage is that worth?

"Carrying a weapon is not always feasible or appropriate... Each permit holder must make the decision to carry or not carry. I will carry more often than I have in the past, and I am sure other concealed permit holders will do the same. Do we have an obligation to carry? The answer is “yes,”

C'mon guys. Take that nanny-state lemon away and give them free-market lemonade in return.

Anonymous Monkey Boy March 13, 2016 3:00 PM  

Pretty sure Williamson identifies as a libertarian rather than as a conservative. His rhetoric certainly fits the Ayn Rand branch of libertarian philosophy.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 3:07 PM  

“It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces,” the NR roving correspondent writes. “[N]obody did this to them. They failed themselves.”

Will no one ensure that Williamson is found with a broken neck and a sign that says: Nobody did this to him, he failed himself?

(Please note, this is satire, not a request.)

Blogger Sheila4g March 13, 2016 3:40 PM  

@74 Unknown
@76 Steve
@86 simplytimothy

Preach.

@89 Monkey Boy: "Pretty sure Williamson identifies as a libertarian rather than as a conservative. His rhetoric certainly fits the Ayn Rand branch of libertarian philosophy."

Reading all this reminded me of a conversation with my older son a week or two ago. He defines himself as a libertarian, albeit a generally conservative one. Usual mix of opinions for a highly intelligent (IQ 150+) and rebellious yet traditional (Christian and in the National Guard) 24 year old. Supports drug legalization, supports borders and nationalism, supports Trump. He's chosen not to go to college and is currently doing physical labor for the business owned by my husband's close friend.

Although he agrees with me in numerous ways, he find my explicit ethno-nationalism racist and too exclusive. He agrees that, per his beliefs, thousands of people of all races would prove unfit/die in a truly "take care of yourself" economy. He also acknowledges that the majority of those willing and able to live a genuinely independent, America 1.0 self-sufficient life would be White, but sees no reason to exclude the admittedly small fraction of other races who might choose to abide by the rules and be able to succeed in such an environment.

He works alongside numerous uneduated, working-class Whites and while he gets along fine, he finds little in common with their interests or lifestyle and sees little to differentiate some of their behavior from that of dysfunctional Negroes. He acknowledges a society needs garbagemen as well as philosophers, but likes to believe it's IQ and behavior that makes common cause, not race in any way.

My arguments have been variations on comments 74, 76, and 86, noting that historically the upper class felt a kinship (via race, religion, nation) to the lower/working class and felt morally bound to provide uplift. I've declared many of them could function quite well in an environment where they were not despised and scorned by their economic or intellectual "betters."

Anyhow: He just drove out to another state to work on a job and arrived to find the White foreman had been beaten and threatened by Mexicans who claimed cartel ties (don't have all the details). He has a gun with him and is in an open carry state, but called to tell us of events. Reality is a harsh mistress. I trust he'll learn, albeit the hard way.

Anonymous D Meister March 13, 2016 4:07 PM  

@14 Fred,
"Unfortunately for him, he is the ultimate leechfuck as he does nothing of real use to anyone - he produces nothing, designs nothing, builds nothing - he just a giant sucking Taker. And ALL these diatribes are on the web forever so they can print them up and hang them around his neck after they hang him from a lamppost some day in the near future."
Well said. Deserves a repeat.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner March 13, 2016 4:09 PM  

Now, how easy would it be for a pro-gun rights candidate like Trump to work with a company that did such a thing and make it part of the event as a service in the interest of public safety?

The problem with a gun coat check for $20 is you wont want to turn in your good one, Nate might just bring his glock. People will be bringing in their 7.62 Czech made pistols as CCW.

White foreman had been beaten and threatened by Mexicans... Reality is a harsh mistress. I trust he'll learn, albeit the hard way.

Shelia4g- I wish someone years ago could have given me a copy of the book "White Girl Bleed A Lot" or just linked the website http://whitegirlbleedalot.com/ with hundreds of recent videos of crimes that would be covered in the news for longer than Trayboon Skittles( which turned out his girlfriend testified the first day of trial that Skittles thought GZ was gay, making it a failed gay bashing) if race reversed.

Blogger Doc Rampage March 13, 2016 4:12 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:How did they do it to themselves? When did a community have to pass some kind of productivity test to live?

This has been the case throughout most of history except in a few rare cases such as Rome. And, of course today socialist states keep these communities going to vote for them.

Anonymous Daneil H March 13, 2016 4:13 PM  

Williamson is garbage. In his mind, these people are getting precisely what they deserve. National Review is irrelevant.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3462336/The-white-squatter-camps-South-Africa-home-hundreds-families-enduring-terrible-poverty-blame-fall-Apartheid.html

Blogger Sheila4g March 13, 2016 4:17 PM  

@95
Daneil H: There's a post at Gates of Vienna today (warning: highly Judeophile site) by a White South African which echoes
Williamson's sentiments - i.e. those who have lost due to today's multicultural/globalist policies are merely losers who are getting what they deserve. Exact same tone of contempt.

Blogger Doc Rampage March 13, 2016 4:24 PM  

Did anyone here bother to read Williamson's own description of the communities he was talking about? He didn't call them working-class; he called them "the white American underclass". And in case that wasn't clear enough, he helpfully described what communities he was talking about, and it wasn't the hard-working plumber trying to earn enough to send his kids to college:

"you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy—which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog"

Chime in here, BigGayKoranBurner, what is it you call blacks and Mexicans who live like that? But it's OK for for whites? They deserve special consideration?

Williamson is right. Those communities need to die just like the minority communities that live like that need to die.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 4:36 PM  

No way! I thought BGKB stood for Big Gay Korean Brutha!

Blogger Cecil Henry March 13, 2016 4:36 PM  

These 'elites' despise Whites of many classes but especially the working class.

They would like to see them destroyed--literally if it were politically possible.

Their language unveiled is remarkably like that of the Soviets describing the kulaks and other 'socially undesirable' groups.

Very similar people on both sides of that conflict as on this one.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 4:37 PM  

Yep. He's out looking for Kulaks.

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 4:47 PM  

And Bill Kristool is talking about forming a RINO party.

NR is almost dead, but its death throes aren't pretty. Even they are running out of cuck.

Detroit is Zimbabwe, or South Africa. It need not have been, but they didn't elect someone like Ben Carson, they elected Coleman Young. The judicial activism of cross-town busing for racial desegregation and the 1967 riots and curfew caused white flight (I was part of that and am grateful to my parents).

But there is an important and subtle point about the Wall Street - Business - Government crony alliance.

They would rather have people - black or white - on welfare and hire Chinese at $2/day instead of hiring them at $15-$25/hr.

There are costs to having what is now a permanent underclass. They can talk about jobs, but there aren't any. It isn't purely some kind of moral defect, the men that used to go into the factories as auto and steel workers were able to raise traditional families, so there was no need for the state to provide welfare (and women could find good providers). Everyone made a lot more, but paid a little more for the American labor and raw materials.

The first step was to admit women to the workforce to suppress wages - and its effects on marriage and family.

Now we've given up even that pretense.

Trump could do something like say any Phone IMPORTED needs to lack strong encryption, but any made and sold domestically or EXPORTED can be locked down. It would then be up to the Cook.

But to get back - part of "trade" was tied with the social contract. When it was just TVs, we ceded them to Japan, but still competed elsewhere. Now we need to return to an older order.

There are aspects of (Chesterton's) Distributivism I like and others I do not, but consider if every citizen could make $30k or more tax and regulation free if they formed a home or craft (etsy/tindie/shows/"farmers" market) business, they would align with the entrepreneurs because they would be entrepreneurs and create wealth.

@91 - The Italian Mafia is white, and the Yakuza is smart. Also it isn't merely Caucasian but anglo-saxon and northern European. Many point out that having to deal with winter (don't eat your seedcorn or last cow) tends to lengthen time preferences and create more K selection than r selection (Molyneux has several videos).

Garbage collectors can't be outsourced, neither can Maids. But neither repairmen - cars, plumbers, electricians, construction. But there aren't enough of those jobs currently for all those on the low side of 1-sigma.

America 1.0 is the intersection of the longest time-preferences with a thousand years of bloody history resolving and forging a system of legality, rights, and understanding of Man, Government, and their relationship.

This is not a small thing. I'm in an area of the country where it isn't merely "white", but Anglos, Scotch, Nordic, German, (north) eastern-European. Few Italians, Spaniards, Greeks. There is a reason the PIIGS has only one country sort of north, and that is where the gulf stream makes it green and warm.

I have an egalitarian ideal that we are all equal before God, but at the same time there are clear and profound differences that may be more genetic than cultural.

Jews are also high-IQ (on average), but Israel is a socialist, secular, progressive country that except for our propping it up (not unlike the Shah of Iran) it would fail and have to start obeying the Torah.

Blogger Joe Keenan March 13, 2016 4:50 PM  

National Review was created to draw and maintain conservative Catholic intellectuals onto the Free Market Reservation and separate them from their moral beliefs. Well, as far I can tell, the Catholics left a long time ago, good thing to. Judging by the ramblings of Doc Rampage NR now seems to believe there are communities that "need to die." For whom, Doc? You?

All those years of “Mater Si, Magistra No” has now seems to have resulted in a conservatism cut clear of any moral moorings. They are no different than those they supposedly stand against. Hey Bill, your intellectual progeny are here. They want to eradicate the weak.

Blogger Sheila4g March 13, 2016 4:56 PM  

@97 Doc Rampage: "Chime in here, BigGayKoranBurner, what is it you call blacks and Mexicans who live like that? But it's OK for for whites? They deserve special consideration?

Williamson is right. Those communities need to die just like the minority communities that live like that need to die."

Who are your people, Doc Rampage? Who will have your back when push comes to shove? Do you merely get to pick and choose individuals you identify with, based on IQ or career or leisure pursuits?

Every race has its bell curve. I can and do despise "family anarchy" or welfare dependency while recognizing the potential within underclass Whites and extending sympathy towards them. That I choose to grant them agency and a second chance because I acknowledge that they, as part of America 1.0 and in some cases 2.0 are my people, rather than a high IQ Indian doctor, makes me an unapologetic ethno-nationalist.

Who are your people?

Anonymous Cash March 13, 2016 5:02 PM  

We need a set of regulations for these "white trash" type places that make it ore desirable for their smartest people to stay there.

Regulations that may make sense in the city are too expensive when you are talking about jobs that are $12 an hour. You start adding on this and that and pretty soon you are looking at paying that worker $16 an hour and the worker is only getting $12.

Let's face it, the cultural revolution has been a disaster for these people, I think Buchanan showed that the white underclass has tripled in size. iSteve has made the observations that the elites that preach all this crap don't live it. He says they "believe like the 60's but live like the 50's."

This prick though is a joke. He is a libertarian that writes for an outfit that loses money. Lives in DC, the most anti-libertarian place in the country, and he has the audacity to write this.

Blogger Doc Rampage March 13, 2016 5:08 PM  

Joe Keenan wrote:Judging by the ramblings of Doc Rampage NR now seems to believe there are communities that "need to die." For whom, Doc? You?

For the members of the community, obviously. Communities like that break the children who grow up in them and make it hard for adults to escape whatever demons are haunting them. We are all ultimately responsible for our own actions, but that doesn't mean that the community doesn't have a part to play in producing virtuous people.

Joe Keenan wrote:They want to eradicate the weak.
Nobody wants to eradicate the weak. We want the government to stop supporting communities that are destroying the people who live in them. "Stop supporting" is not the same as "eradicate".

And I would have thought that this was obvious, but you do realize that the community can die without the individuals in the community dying, right?

Anonymous average bob March 13, 2016 5:13 PM  

Got me a hangin' rope with his name on it

Blogger Joe Keenan March 13, 2016 5:15 PM  

Doc, If communities "need to die" how are you going to make that happen?

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice March 13, 2016 5:16 PM  

“It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces,” the NR roving correspondent writes. “[N]obody did this to them. They failed themselves.”

This mindset is probably why I haven't seen any articles about how the GOP can appeal to & co-opt Trump's supporters. 'Cause if the GOP was serious about winning, they'd at least look into retaining those voters instead of trying to crush them along with their candidate.

Blogger Doc Rampage March 13, 2016 5:24 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:Who are your people, Doc Rampage? Who will have your back when push comes to shove? Do you merely get to pick and choose individuals you identify with, based on IQ or career or leisure pursuits?

I doesn't matter who my people are or who I identify with, because my evaluation of this situation is entirely impartial. White people should not live in drunken, drug-addled, welfare-supported, communities where the illegitimate kids outnumber the kids in families. Neither should black people. Or Americans or Mexicans. Or Christians or Muslims or Jews or Hindus. Or strangers or my neighbors, or my family members. Name any group, and I'll maintain that the members of that group are better off not living in such a community.

I'm frankly pretty shocked that people in this conversation are actually defending such communities and want them to be allowed to grow and thrive as they destroy the people in them.

Blogger Joe Keenan March 13, 2016 5:28 PM  

Doc, If communities "need to die" how are you going to make that happen?

Blogger Doc Rampage March 13, 2016 5:32 PM  

Joe Keenan wrote:Doc, If communities "need to die" how are you going to make that happen?

Try to pay attention, Joe. If we stop supporting the communities then they will die of natural causes because they cannot support themselves.

If my forty-year-old brother is living with my parents and I tell them he needs to get a job, that doesn't mean I want to do something to force him to get a job. It means that I want my parents to stop letting him live there rent-free so that external circumstances force him to get a job.

I believe strongly in self-determination. If a community can go on in that state without me being forced to support it, then that's sad, but it's not my problem. Until they start trying to force me to support them.

Blogger praetorian March 13, 2016 5:38 PM  

If a community can go on in that state without me being forced to support it, then that's sad, but it's not my problem. Until they start trying to force me to support them.

Do you view tariffs on imported goods as being forced to support them?

Blogger Joe Keenan March 13, 2016 5:45 PM  

See if you can follow this line of though Doc, when you "stop supporting communities" what does that mean? Do you mean we stop feeding people? Do we not supply them shelter? Perhaps, we give them food and shelter but don't heat and cool the home? How exactly "don't we support them?" We have a moral obligation to help the poor and unfortunate. We do not have a moral obligation to transfer wealth from the 99% to the 1%. 112 asks about tariffs, these protected jobs for decades and were a benefit to the poor. Likewise, low immigration. Now there's low tariffs and high immigration, disaster for the poor.

Anonymous Cash March 13, 2016 5:46 PM  

Doc, you are being way to vague with term like "community."

Yes there is a large underclass but it is hardly the entire "community." Plenty of good people working and raising families and they don't deserve to have the lights go out on them just because the community isn't an "asset."

The government needs to stop producing trade policies that guarantee large unemployment, and stop feeding the thugs that make the place difficult. But the good people don't need some asshat telling them to just die already.

Blogger Escoffier March 13, 2016 5:49 PM  

Artisanal Toad wrote:
Hint: You can't make America great again without responsible Americans, and anybody with a CCW has self-selected as a responsible person, by definition. You guys can brand the hell out of this just by calling it the "Trump Card." How many millions in free airtime and news coverage is that worth?


It's hard for me to express what a great idea this is. If you dipped it in chocolate and rolled it in nuts I would quite possibly squee like a little anime girl.

Blogger CM March 13, 2016 6:08 PM  

drunken, drug-addled, welfare-supported, communities

I believe Williamson's words were "the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump..."

So... how do you get "drunken, drug-addled" out of that? This is the low class, working class. Not the under-class that finds itself homeless and in opium dens because they can't stop itching for the next high.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 13, 2016 6:29 PM  

He duped us all. This is straight click-bait. He doesn't care what you say, he doesn't even care what he says. As I long as you click that link, he makes money.
I tweeted "The truth is, @KevinNR deserves to die".
He retweeted it.

Outrage is easier to generate than interest, and they both pay the same.

Blogger Young Heaving Shipping Containers of Liberty March 13, 2016 6:40 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:"The truth is, @KevinNR deserves to die"

I'm not sure if KevinNR needs to take his human mask off, or put it back on.

Blogger SciVo March 13, 2016 7:19 PM  

praetorian wrote:Just imagine the thermonuclear impact should the alt right invent a new word that counters the word "racist".

Meme magic is real, and I don't say that as a joke.


It's real, but it isn't easy.

How about "wacist"? Racist against whites. Anti-white racist. Wacist.

Mock the fuck out of them and lampshade how the word has degenerated into juvenile name-calling.

SJW: "That's racist!"
[sarcastically]: "No, you're wacist!"

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 7:23 PM  

Can we replace the NR writers with H1-B's - they would be less banal and incoherent as well as cheaper.

Or perhaps just suggest white genocide. The NRites weak support of #2A should suffice to get them removed from the game.

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 7:32 PM  

@KevinNR doesn't deserve to die. He deserves to be sent to subsaharan Africa where his theories are put into practice and suffer for a few decades.

Consider it recycling "white trash"

Blogger dfordoom March 13, 2016 7:53 PM  

@ Joe Keenan

We have a moral obligation to help the poor and unfortunate.

Agreed. But you're trying to debate with people who have no conception of moral obligations. That's why the US is going down the toilet. The US has become a moral vacuum.

Blogger Joe Keenan March 13, 2016 7:56 PM  

@122 You're right and I'm gobsmacked! Move money from the 99% to the 15 and that's American Capitalism, a good thing! Help the poor, help the 99% and that's a bad thing! People have been brainwashed and internalized the beliefs of their oppressors....and I'm a conservative!

Blogger No Thank you March 13, 2016 8:06 PM  

Just imagine the thermonuclear impact should the alt right invent a new word that counters the word "racist".

11. Escoffier

We do, its called Traitor.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 8:18 PM  

@116: That's just his dishonesty on display.

Blogger praetorian March 13, 2016 8:20 PM  

It's real, but it isn't easy.

Yep. It would be interesting to do brain scan analysis to see what it is about cuck that is so powerful.

Part of it might be that it is going with the female-dominant culture, it is men calling out men (on the surface) so it goes with the grain, as well as the increasingly pornographic nature of society.

I know that the immigrant culture == rape culture is an attempt along these lines as well, but it hasn't caught on yet. It did take a while for cuck to catch on too, though, so patience is warranted.

Racism is a tough nut to crack.

Blogger praetorian March 13, 2016 8:32 PM  

The government needs to stop producing trade policies that guarantee large unemployment, and stop feeding the thugs that make the place difficult

At the end of the day it's morally insane to make the guy next to you compete with peasants living in hovels who are willing to work 12 hour shifts seven days a week with no environmental standards. You can trade, carefully, with countries with similar environmental and cultural standards, but beyond that your default position should be mercantilism.

Specialization is important for economic progress. Stability through a strong sense of social identity/responsibility is necessary for specialization. Free international trade destroys social identity and responsibility as much as open immigration does.

It's ironic: you can trade freely only with people you share a pre-rational nationalist bond with. Libertarianism, at root, demands nationalism.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 9:19 PM  

@119 SciVo
How about "wacist"?
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I use that one all the time online, but in a different meaning than what you have given. I put Waaasssciiistt when a little rabbit comes along tearing up, clutching their pearls, but I mean it in the manner of Waaaah! Diaper loading brats who are useless attention whores.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 9:22 PM  

@126 praetorian
Yep. It would be interesting to do brain scan analysis to see what it is about cuck that is so powerful.
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It's the same thing that makes roaches scurry around when a light comes on. They are being forced into the light, and they can't stand it. They also know they are traitors but have betrayed their own minds into thinking they are doing something good.

Anonymous LastRedoubt March 13, 2016 9:24 PM  

Slightly OT -

Looks like Horowitz gets it. Surprised it showed up at TruthRevolt given Shapiro's cuckiness.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/horowitz-how-not-fight-our-enemies

Blogger Desiderius March 13, 2016 9:47 PM  

Josh,

You're right that Williamson advocates the same thing for black communities as white and that when it comes down to brass tacks, a community has to be economically viable to survive, and artificially propping one up does more harm than good.

Where I know that Williamson is mistaken, and I am curious to what extent you are, is in his idea of economic viability. The much touted "knowledge economy" itself is large parts bullshit and having run through the seed corn built up by prior generations is well into selling future generations to keep it living in the manner to which it has become accustomed.

I agree with Williamson that non-economically viable communities should be allowed to die. We should start with his own.

Blogger BunE22 March 13, 2016 9:52 PM  

I substituted black in place of white and Obama in place of Trump and tells a more accurate story, but one that would never be written.

Anonymous BGKB March 13, 2016 10:08 PM  

BigGayKoranBurner, what is it you call blacks and Mexicans who live like that? But it's OK for for whites?

Well the black version of white trash is the talented tenth AKA the affirmative action govt workers that can not figure out a mortgage but earn over $200,000 a year. I would say the Mexican version would be the Wise Latrina, not in the top 20% of high school class but gets free ride to Princeton.

Scalia found dead
With pillow over his head
Hey Wise Latrina
Come to my Cantina
Taste some night shade
While I get out a Spade
You were not in the top 20% of your high school class
But I have learned how to compost a-lass
From David the Good
In the permaculture hood.

No way! I thought BGKB stood for Big Gay Korean Brutha Kulak Bartender?

part of America 1.0 and in some cases 2.0 are my people, rather than a high IQ Indian doctor

That commits healthcare fraud. Nicholas Stix reports on the diversity in healthcare fraud that is lacking in normal employment numbers.

compete with peasants living in hovels who are willing to work 12 hour shifts seven days a week with no environmental standards.

Lets not forget that they are willing to use lead in children's toys sent to the US.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 11:24 PM  

Where I know that Williamson is mistaken, and I am curious to what extent you are, is in his idea of economic viability. The much touted "knowledge economy" itself is large parts bullshit and having run through the seed corn built up by prior generations is well into selling future generations to keep it living in the manner to which it has become accustomed.

I agree with your analysis

Blogger James Dixon March 13, 2016 11:54 PM  

> There are a whole lot of people who can't hop from writing gig to writing gig to writing gig to writing gig.

Meh. I can write as well or better than Williamson. It's just that, like Derbyshire (who I can't write as well as), I can't write what his masters would tell me to write. I guess that makes me forever unemployable in his circles.

> Williamson is right. Those communities need to die just like the minority communities that live like that need to die.

There are no entire communities like Williamson describes. There are a comparatively small percentage of existing communities who have lost hope and fallen prey to drugs and alcohol addiction, the same as has happened to every community throughout history.

> But it's OK for for whites? They deserve special consideration?

As others have asked, where are Williamson's calls for those communities to die?

Blogger John Wright March 14, 2016 12:00 AM  

"....they have a warped morality...."

Am I reading this correctly to be a condemnation of hard work, community first, marriage, wife, children, and all the basic moral things of the average Christian churchgoer the writer is calling 'warped'?

And he writes for National Review?

Blogger Josh March 14, 2016 12:49 AM  

Am I reading this correctly to be a condemnation of hard work, community first, marriage, wife, children, and all the basic moral things of the average Christian churchgoer the writer is calling 'warped'?

No

Anonymous Discard March 14, 2016 1:08 AM  

Neocons hate the Goyim. You can't hang out with Jews if you don't accept their world view. They won't tolerate it.

Anonymous Discard March 14, 2016 1:34 AM  

109. Doc Rampage: These working class Whites weren't always this way. Given the opportunity, they once raised themselves from slum dwelling ne'er do wells to respectable mortgage owners. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles, a hundred square miles of these people, living in 1300 sq ft three bedroom houses and sending their kids to school every day. But the jobs were exported, foreign workers imported, and the cultural values that supported ordinary Whites and their way of life have been uprooted. They did not do this to themselves. It was done to them, and deliberately so. Maybe they were not perceptive enough to see what was coming, or could not really believe it, and for a certainty they did not have the power to stop it. Not everyone is a Harvard grad. For this they should die off?
Who here wants these pathologies to grow and thrive? I want the people to grow and thrive, and a government that at the very least does not work against them.

Blogger rumpole5 March 14, 2016 2:51 AM  

There is no such thing as "the white middle class". Instead, the "American Nations" analysis of blogger Jayman, and his ilk make a lot more sense. Trump's current success is that he proposes to adopt policies that would benefit all of the Nations that occupy the USA. National Review is failing because it increasingly focuses only on the interests, views, and fantasies of the "Yankeedom" nation occupying the Northeastern USA. That being said, the black African and white Appalachian nations living in our midist do present challenges. Charles Murray's book, "Coming Apart", suggests that we are experiencing a devastating decline in the social conditions that many white Americans face. Few of the PTBs are addressing this problem, and I hope that the Trumpster movement will change that. Trump himself is Scotch and German. It is no surprise that the American Appalachian (largely Scotch/Irish) and Midlands (largely German) nations take to Trump so enthusiastically, while Trump is giving Yankeedom elites fits. It is Andrew Jackson (another Scotch) all over again!

Anonymous Discard March 14, 2016 3:49 AM  

42. Josh: I am an irrevokable enemy of affirmative action. I favor concentration camps for any White who favors it. But as long as there's a chance that Trump will kick out foreigners, I'll let him remain at large.
Less hyperbolically, I don't know that Trump really supports AA. He knows how to lie, we know. He's got a hundred million enemies in this country already. He stands to get an appreciable share of the Black vote, more than any Republican since Eisenhower. He should forfeit that to appease me?
Once in power, he could do a lot about AA, simply by calling it out and forcing the Democrats to address the issue. He'll know who his real supporters are and that they hate AA. OTOH, he could do nothing, as Hilary and Bernie certainly will.

Blogger tz March 14, 2016 6:15 AM  

@136 - yes and yes, though I have no idea why the latter is surprising - NR has been a globalist, neo-con sellout from before the purge of Sobran.

One aspect of Catholic social teaching is the inherent dignity of work. St Joseph the Worker on 5/1. Rerum Novarum which attacked socialism but sided with workers. The Protestant side has the Calvinistic and Puritan work ethics. Labor is someONE - with a soul, not someTHING like land and capital. A subject, not an object.

It follows that labor is different based on John Paul IIs Theology of the body because persons are not to be used (exploited).

James' epistle says wages unpaid cry to heaven (innocent blood, oppressing the poor, and sodomy are the only others).

That employers prefer pagan slaves is not new. That Christians tolerate it in the name of "free trade" is. We won't call what the Chinese or Mexican government does to their citizens terrorism because it would bring up the blood diamond problem. And calling them Blood phones instead of smart phones would hurt market share.

Blogger tz March 14, 2016 6:16 AM  

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Blogger tz March 14, 2016 6:23 AM  

@119 Wacist? Sounds like Elmer's FUD.

Blogger tz March 14, 2016 6:29 AM  

LA, Detroit and Chicago are the prime examples: “The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible,” 

And they aren't white. So inconvenient.

Anonymous Tom Joad March 14, 2016 7:56 AM  

Next thing you know, the Republican Establishment will start spouting stuff like this:

"My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office. How smart can they be? They're morons."

Blogger Josh March 14, 2016 10:26 AM  

See if you can follow this line of though Doc, when you "stop supporting communities" what does that mean? Do you mean we stop feeding people? Do we not supply them shelter? Perhaps, we give them food and shelter but don't heat and cool the home? How exactly "don't we support them?" We have a moral obligation to help the poor and unfortunate. We do not have a moral obligation to transfer wealth from the 99% to the 1%.

Commie

Anonymous Instasetting March 14, 2016 12:04 PM  

Turn the insult around.

City man vs. Country man.

The City man needs one marketable skill for which someone will pay him money.
He also needs the ability to turn his face when someone pees on a wall near him, or eats a wiggling octopus arm in front of him....This is called Tolerance.
All other problems can by solved by Cash.
Can't fix the toilet...."Landlord!!!"
Can't cook...."Take out order of Moo Goo Gai Pang"
Can't Launder...."Deliver my shirts to this adress."
Can't drive...."Taxi!!!"
Can't fix room heater...."Landlord!!!!"
Can't vote sensibly...."Vote Democrat like all my neighbours."
Can't defend self...."This apartment building has doormen, right??"

Why do immigrants cluster in cities? Because they can't handle living without crutches in a new land. This is non-controversial.

The controversial part is expanding it to everyone else.

The rural elite are more skilled than their incompetent city brethren.

Blogger Doc Rampage March 14, 2016 11:26 PM  

CM wrote:drunken, drug-addled, welfare-supported, communities

I believe Williamson's words were "the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump..."


I quoted Williamson in a previous comment where he says that's who he's talking about. You are inventing a boogeyman here. He says he's talking about communities with high alcoholism and drug use, high rates of welfare dependency, and high rates of illegitimacy, and you are reading John-boy Waltons family into that.

Blogger Doc Rampage March 14, 2016 11:52 PM  

Discard wrote:But the jobs were exported, foreign workers imported, and the cultural values that supported ordinary Whites and their way of life have been uprooted. They did not do this to themselves. It was done to them, and deliberately so.

Several things: I mostly agree that "it was done to them and deliberately so" if by that you mean that they were the victims of economic warfare by the Democrats whose main reason for being is to take money from people who vote Republican and give it to people who vote Democrat. But poverty does not cause drug use or illegitimacy--that's a Marxist fable.

Second, it is because of cheap goods made overseas that their style of living hasn't fallen any more than it has. The villains here aren't the people who make rational economic choices about what to buy. They face much more serious problems than the fact that people in China are willing to work for a dollar day:

1. Affirmative action in college admission.
2. Affirmative action in hiring.
3. Affirmative action in promotion.
4. The feds forcing lenders to give loans to unqualified buyers which created the housing bubble and left many responsible borrowers broke.
6. Car safety and emissions mandates to make cars more expensive.
7. Mandates on everything else to make everything else more expensive.
8. Labor laws that make it cheaper to hire people overseas.
9. Taxes that make it cheaper to hire people overseas.
10. Zoning and ecological laws that make it cheaper to build overseas.
11. Divorce laws that encourage women to leave their husbands and take with them whatever wealth he has managed to build up.
12. Criminal laws that make it risky to defend your property from criminals.
13. Lax criminal prosecution that makes it necessary for small business to spend a fortune for security.
14. Social security which takes the money that people on a small income might otherwise invest.
15. Hospital care mandates which drive up the costs of medical care and insurance for people who pay.

I could go on for quite a bit longer. All of these problems are caused by government meddling. And you want to solve the problem with MORE GOVERNMENT MEDDLING. It's insane.

Anonymous Discard March 15, 2016 5:33 AM  

Doc Rampage: Re-reading my comment (139), I saw no mention of more government meddling, only that I want the working class to have a government that does not work against them.

BTW, I agree that material poverty does not cause drug use or illegitimacy, but spiritual poverty does. (Call it psychological poverty if you wish) Along with the economic warfare against these people, there has been spiritual warfare. The ceaseless mockery of the common man's religious and social beliefs has alienated his children from them. The institutions that should have supported parents and families have worked to destroy them. You can argue that drug use and random sex are bad things, but only if you start with certain assumptions about work and personal responsibility and family and a lot of other things. Virtues are learned, not innate. I have been involved with foster care for years, and there are a whole lot of people who were simply not taught virtue. They have been taught vice. They see nothing wrong with faking an injury and trying to get permanent disability. They see EBT cards as an inalienable right. They think that others should pay for their children. And many of them think this way with out any evil intent, they have simply been taught that it is so. And that teaching was as deliberate as the economic warfare against them.
I want to salvage these people if possible.

Anonymous Tom Joad March 15, 2016 8:46 AM  

Is there a reason my comments keep getting deleted?

Do you only allow people who agree with you to comment?

For what it's worth, I have been accused of being an individual who was previously banned. (I don't recall the person's name.) I am not that person.

Anonymous David Of One March 15, 2016 5:06 PM  

National Review doubles down on inciting violence on the white working class ... http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/15/national-review-doubles-down-important-to-say-white-working-class-communities-deserve-to-die/

Blogger Longstreet March 15, 2016 5:41 PM  

Doc, you said
"I quoted Williamson in a previous comment where he says that's who he's talking about. You are inventing a boogeyman here. He says he's talking about communities with high alcoholism and drug use, high rates of welfare dependency, and high rates of illegitimacy, and you are reading John-boy Waltons family into that."

If so, he's doing so with the material Willliamson provided. For instance:

"It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces..."

Now, you say that when Williamson says "white working class" here what he really means is "communities with high alcoholism and drug use, high rates of welfare dependency, and high rates of illegitimacy". That ignores the rest of his statement; that those are the people attracted to Trump.

So is it Williamson's contention, and yours, that Trump supporters are illegitimate welfare-abusing drug and alcohol abusers?

If your reply is any variation of "Not all of them" then do give us your estimation of the percentage.

Blogger Longstreet March 15, 2016 5:52 PM  

And I realize that this is a few days old now, but 2 more things:
1. I note with a mixture of amusement and contempt that while Williamson's screed is behind a paywall, follow up columns in his defense are not.
2. I grew up in W Texas and E New Mexico, and still have a great many family members there. It was often a hard life, and there were certainly people in every town that fit the drug-addled and welfare dependent label. But by and large the communities were and are made up of decent, HARD-working, at least nominally Christian farmers, ranchers and oil field workers who raised their children well, drank nothing stronger (or more expensive) than beer, and took only what drugs were prescribed by the local doc.

Williamson can go screw himself, with the previously suggested jagged, rusty pickaxe.

Blogger Asok Asus March 16, 2016 1:02 PM  

It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the black working class that finds itself attracted to Hillary has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn’t. The black middle class may like the idea of Hillary as a giant pulsing humanoid middle finger held up in the face of the Cathedral, they may sing hymns to Hillary the destroyer and whisper darkly about “globalists” and — odious, stupid term — “the Establishment,” but nobody did this to them. They failed themselves.

If you spend time in hardscrabble, black Buffalo New York, or eastern Los Angeles, or my own native Chicago, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy — which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog — you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that.

Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence — and the incomprehensible malice — of poor black America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical gangsta rap crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The black American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Hillary’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul.

Blogger Doc Rampage March 16, 2016 11:29 PM  

I doubt anyone will read this, but just a couple of things:

1. I also agree that *all* Americans have been subject to moral warfare of the type that Discard describes. But he seems to think that I want to hurt or punish these people. I don't. I just don't want my tax money being used to subsidize their destructive behavior.

2. I think Williamson is probably wrong that most of Trump's support comes from people like he describes. The only part of his article that I was defending was where he said that majority-white welfare-supported communities that are full of drug addicts and people dropping illegitimate kids need to die. I think that's a reasonable thing to say.

Anonymous Discard March 17, 2016 3:50 PM  

No, Doc, I don't think you want to hurt these people. I just think you're emphasizing their failings and neglecting their strengths. These are blog comments, not sociological essays, and oversimplification is the norm.
I don't want to subsidize their destructive behavior either, but to offer them alternatives. And these opportunities must be visible to them. It's not enough to see the opportunities myself and damn others for not having eyesight as good as mine. If, real choices having been offered them, they choose badly, only then do I say "tough shit".

I am one of these cast off working class men, hence my handle. I was lucky to be born smarter than most, but I grew up as they did, expecting to follow the rules, learn a trade and be rewarded with an adequate income, get married, buy a house, and have kids and grandkids. It is not my innate virtue, but my unearned gift of higher intelligence that allowed me to jump the higher hurdles I came to. Even then, I was very slow to understand the changes being forced on us and have had to scramble to stay off the bottom. These are my people, even if my eyes glaze over when they talk about "America's Got Talent" and even though they have no interest in ancient Greece.

Anonymous Discard March 18, 2016 4:13 AM  

155. Doc Rampage: I don't think you want to hurt these people, any more than I want to subsidize destructive behavior. Blog comments are not comprehensive essays. I think that poor people need to be given notice that it's time to clean up their act, and be told what that involves. Let them choose, and live with the consequences.

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