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Wednesday, March 23, 2016

On the Existence of Gods

ON THE EXISTENCE OF GODS is the response to a public challenge posed by Dr. PZ Myers, a militant atheist who claimed to have never encountered any good arguments for the existence of gods. It is a competitive discourse between a Christian and an atheist, each of whom argue for their position on the subject, after which the arguments are adjudicated by a team of three judges, a Christian, an agnostic, and an atheist, before additional arguments are presented.

The format is compelling and the results are at times surprising, as the discussion takes unexpected twists and turns, while the judges exhibit ruthless impartiality as they criticize the arguments of both sides without mercy or favor. Vox Day, the author of The Irrational Atheist, presents the Christian perspective, while Dominic Saltarelli argues for the atheist position. The debate is wide-ranging and intelligent, but remains civil throughout, even as the momentum swings in favor of one side, and then the other. It also includes an appendix that addresses the argument for a science-based morality presented by Sam Harris in The Moral Landscape.

ON THE EXISTENCE OF GODS is a compelling test of how open the reader's mind is to the various possibilities of reality, and is a worthy addition to the long history of Man's contemplation of his own existence in the face of the divine.

From the reviewers:
  • This is the first thing that I've read in a very long time that actually had new, novel, and interesting arguments - and both authors achieved this, on both sides of the debate. I find myself giving this book five stars purely for the astonishing achievement of presenting novel arguments. After two thousand years of debating the topic, that's a remarkable achievement.
  • Watching a relentlessly logical mind like Vox Day at work is a sight to behold.
  • I enjoyed it very much, not least for the subtlety of the arguments.
    This is a really enjoyable intellectual battle between a believer and an atheist which has the very unusual distinction, in such battles, of being courteous, humorous, and on a high intellectual level.
ON THE EXISTENCE OF GODS is 105 pages, $4.99, and DRM-free.

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27 Comments:

Anonymous Random guy March 23, 2016 4:56 AM  

Damnit vox. Stop coming up with this really cool and interesting shit. I hate you. I hate you so much!! Also, the link to summa elvetica at voxday.net and the other books at voxday.net don't seem to work. Could you please fix that. Thanks ( I mean war in heaven, world in shadow etc..)

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 23, 2016 5:01 AM  

ON THE EXISTENCE OF GODS is the response to a public challenge posed by Dr. PZ Myers, a militant atheist who claimed to have never encountered any good arguments for the existence of gods.

It would be worth mentioning that PZ reneged on his challenge.

Blogger VD March 23, 2016 5:11 AM  

It would be worth mentioning that PZ reneged on his challenge.

Dominic mentions that in his introduction.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 23, 2016 5:59 AM  

I mean in the description. Raises the stakes for the reader.

Blogger JACIII March 23, 2016 6:51 AM  

Congratulations on another interesting piece of work. Well done. That said, it's time to get back to the fun stuff; Quantum Mortis...

Blogger VD March 23, 2016 7:00 AM  

That said, it's time to get back to the fun stuff; Quantum Mortis...

It's A SEA OF SKULLS or decline into madness now.

Blogger Josh March 23, 2016 8:08 AM  

Is the meltdown by one of the judges included in an appendix?

Anonymous Sensei March 23, 2016 8:14 AM  

Cracking into it now, really excellent stuff, I will give it a sufficiently praiseworthy review once I'm finished. There was a particular line which brought me up sharp:

"...there is obviously no need for the first thought about thinking to concern more thinking, as is evidenced by Descarte's famous statement, "I think, therefore I am", because in the Decartesian formulation the first thinking about thinking does not concern more thinking, but rather the existence of mind."

In other words, not "I think," but just, "I am."
The preeminently and eternally initiatory thought of the Creator's mind makes perfect sense as the wording chosen for His moment of special self-introduction to His chosen humans. All things begin coming together as we approach the Truth of all things more closely...

Anonymous Dave March 23, 2016 8:51 AM  

Josh: No

Blogger The Kurgan March 23, 2016 8:51 AM  

Vox,
I DEMAND you now create a time stasis chamber, so I can catch up on my reading.
Kindly summon whatever evil forces you require to warp reality so I may enjoy these works and others you have produced.

Blogger Phillip George March 23, 2016 8:54 AM  

Sensei,
Descartes presupposed, assumed language. He, and no-one can conceive of logical processes and cognisance without linguistic referential space. MHO.
with another reading of the bible Descartes would have said "We communicate therefore we are"
Words didn't emerge in a vacuum

Blogger alexamenos March 23, 2016 9:02 AM  

Well done Vox and Dominic.

I found the 'argument from evil' quite interesting and I had hoped to see that fleshed out a bit further.

At any rate, looking forward to re-reading the debate, it's been a while.

Blogger Jeff Wood March 23, 2016 10:11 AM  

On my Wish List. As a matter of personal disciple, I refuse to move it from the List to my reading contraption before I have made more of a hole in my Library, including finishing one or two items from Castalia.

Blogger VD March 23, 2016 10:12 AM  

Well done Vox and Dominic.

Likewise. I thought the judges were excellent and ruthlessly fair. I laughed when the agnostic judge - of course - got bored at one point and called TL;DR.

Blogger Jeff Wood March 23, 2016 10:12 AM  

That of course would be "discipline".

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 23, 2016 10:26 AM  

Interesting cover. Is that a depiction of the painting from Throne of Bones?

Blogger VD March 23, 2016 10:40 AM  

Interesting cover. Is that a depiction of the painting from Throne of Bones?

No, it's a section of the ceiling of the Sala di Constantino at the Vatican. It's one of my favorite paintings.

Blogger praetorian March 23, 2016 10:46 AM  

Purchased.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 23, 2016 10:55 AM  

@ Vox - ah, okay, that's why it looks familiar.

OT: add another to your list of people who didn't follow your guidelines in SJWAL - http://www.si.com/tennis/2016/03/20/indian-wells-ceo-raymond-moore-wta-comments

He just resigned.

Anonymous Valiant March 23, 2016 11:27 AM  

Is this the same version of the one we got from the purchase of your other new release?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab March 23, 2016 11:33 AM  

105 pages? Couldn't you have padded it with pictures or something? Just kidding. I plan to buy this one and read it.

Blogger VD March 23, 2016 11:38 AM  

Is this the same version of the one we got from the purchase of your other new release?

Pretty much. It's a bit cleaned-up, but otherwise the same.

Blogger Leandro Novaes March 23, 2016 12:15 PM  

Can we pretend that dismembered body in the picture belongs to a SJW?

On a different note, Amazon says the title isn't available for purchase.

Blogger James Dixon March 23, 2016 12:25 PM  

> On a different note, Amazon says the title isn't available for purchase.

Buy now with 1-Click is available to me when I check on Amazon.

Blogger Bosefus March 24, 2016 2:45 AM  

I bet eternity... Pascal's Wager ... I call... see me or fold.

Only a blib in time before I collect... uh... not sure what but I bet the house.

boy... not much of the TWO MILLION PER MONTH PAGE HITS took you up on this... keep that in mind Vox the next time you score your success in life. ;-)

Anonymous Imp March 26, 2016 11:55 AM  

All this atheists are going to become food when great Cthulhu awakes!

Anonymous jack arcalon March 29, 2016 6:20 PM  

Atheists seem to believe in a much simpler universe than believers.
Perhaps an infinitely simpler one.

Maybe any sufficiently complex system must eventually develop a controlling overriding identity. . . or maybe all its complexity must inevitably cancel out.

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