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Friday, March 11, 2016

Reprehensible

If you're ever wondering why I generally refuse to have anything to do with the so-called "non-profit" world, this scandal at the Wounded Warrior Project is a very good example of why:
Wounded Warrior Project aims to empower wounded veterans, but a recent exposé revealed that the charity spent nearly half of its funding empowering its executives instead. The board of directors responded by beginning to clean house, starting at the top.

Wounded Warrior Project has raised more than a billion dollars in donations since 2003, according to CBS News. Donors might expect their money would be used “to honor and empower Wounded Warriors,” as the nonprofit’s mission states. However, CBS revealed the charity spends between 40 to 50 percent of their money on overhead – while other veterans’ charities spend an average of 10 to 15 percent on the same expenses.

Wounded Warrior Project Chief Executive Officer Steven Nardizzi and Chief Operating Officer Al Giordano were both removed from the organization after accusations arose alleging that the charity’s donations were being misused.... Over $26 million was spent on employee conferences in 2014, compared to $1.7 million in 2010. The events were described as being lavish and boozy, such as one annual meeting held in a luxury hotel in Colorado Springs, where 500 staff members attended a four-day conference that came with a final price tag of $3 million.
The corporate world is predatory, and the mercenary class of executives are certainly in it for no one but themselves, but for sheer thievery, I think only the financial industry can even begin to compete with the non-profit world. At least the corporations have to deliver to their customers on some level, or they go out of business.

Not so the non-profit charities and foundations, which often seem to exist primarily to provide those who run them a very good living.

The fact that these con artists would rip off American military veterans, of all people, just makes them among the lowest of the very low.

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106 Comments:

Blogger Noah B March 11, 2016 11:09 AM  

There have been major warning signs with them for a while - WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or firearms companies.

http://www.indianashooter.com/2a-talk/19029-wounded-warrior-project-questionable-second-amendment-support.html

Anonymous Leonidas March 11, 2016 11:09 AM  

When I was still in college I had the experience of a very shady "businessman" of my acquaintance sitting me down and explaining exactly how you run a "non-profit" to live like a king. Once you've seen how the sausage is made you can't unseen it.

The plain reality is that very nearly AOL non-profits serve the role of enriching the executives. Any actual charity they do is a bonus.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 11:12 AM  

> However, CBS revealed the charity spends between 40 to 50 percent of their money on overhead – while other veterans’ charities spend an average of 10 to 15 percent on the same expenses.

Yeah, they lowlife scum. But saying 10-15% overhead is normal is a huge indictment of everyone else in the field. This is charity work, and people need to realize that and accept it. Anything over a 10% overhead means people are being overpaid.

Blogger CarpeOro March 11, 2016 11:16 AM  

At least United Way has a picture at my work that tells me all I need to know. One of those "Help the children of (insert county name)". All Mexican children with one exception. I've refused to donate to them at every company I have worked.

Blogger 1337kestrel March 11, 2016 11:16 AM  

That's why I never went to smile.amazon.com.

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 11, 2016 11:17 AM  

Any charity or church should have open books and if large enough regular audits. If they refuse it's safe to assume they are misusing funds.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 11:23 AM  

so... if Wounded Warriors was like science... they would brag about this whole thing. Because see the firing proved their system works. its totally self-correcting.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 11:26 AM  

> At least United Way has a picture at my work that tells me all I need to know.

Google United Way scandal and it will really tell you all you need to know.

Blogger Escoffier March 11, 2016 11:28 AM  

Like Noah the fact that a vet charity was anti gun raised huge red flags for me.

Blogger Patrikbc March 11, 2016 11:29 AM  

Look at the Susan Komen foundation, the founder just gave herself a raise to $600,000 yearly. Give directly, otherwise your giving to paid fundraisers, rfrivolous staff like "social media coordinators", and execs. It's like funding research for breakthrough new snake oil.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau March 11, 2016 11:29 AM  

Personally I think they should do away with all 401c3's. Too many people get rich from so call charities. There are some that do good things but if they are doing good things people will still give though there is no tax break for doing so.

Blogger Gaiseric March 11, 2016 11:34 AM  

James Dixon wrote:Google United Way scandal and it will really tell you all you need to know.
I like how when you start typing that it autofills to united way scandal 2015, 2009, 2003, 1990s...

How many scandals have they had? I remember mostly before the Boy Scouts caved to the gaystapo that United Way was one of the groups putting pressure on them by refusing them funds.

Anonymous Anonymous March 11, 2016 11:36 AM  

The United way is simply a middleman transfer agent. I see no other purpose that they serve than that. They distribute money and skim an excessive amount off the top doing it.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 11:37 AM  

> How many scandals have they had?

Way too many. :) I've lost count of the number over the years.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 11, 2016 11:38 AM  

Professional, perpetual charities are problematic. In the aftermath of the Great Chicago Fire, civic-minded businessmen took short leaves from work and opened temporary relief agencies. Their primary role was getting people temporary shelter and work. Next up was making sure people didn't go from agency to agency milking the system.

Government did nothing.

Recovery was swift, and no long-term wards of the state were created. The businessmen went back to their occupations.

Professional charity is like a peace-time armaments industry, a parasite that lobbies incessantly for its own narrow self-interest.

Anonymous TLM March 11, 2016 11:39 AM  

I gave those a&&holes money when they first started up. What a bunch of dicks.

Blogger David-2 March 11, 2016 11:40 AM  

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Blogger David-2 March 11, 2016 11:45 AM  

"Non-profit" is not the same as "charity", a very common misconception. It is an accounting "term of art" that merely means: no shareholders.

So if there are no shareholders to distribute profits to, does that mean there are no profits? No. It only means that the "profits" go to the insiders.

(Supposedly, it means that the "profits" go to more/better spending on the organization's mission. But that rarely happens. See, for example, the money spent on administrative officers of any "non profit" educational institution.)

In the IRS code there is a subcategory of "non profit" which is for what we commonly refer to as "charities". But you get to be in that category strictly based on your organization's goals/mission, and it restricts you to spend your money in certain ways. But not in ways that are important to the insiders - like, salaries, bonus, car leases, home leases, loans that don't need to be paid back, travel, etc. etc. etc.

Blogger Gordon March 11, 2016 11:49 AM  

Michael Chrichton wrote that non-profits should be created to expire after 10 years, because after that time the priority for the employees changes from charity to perpetuating their jobs.

He was a wise guy.

Anonymous Philalethes March 11, 2016 11:49 AM  

The "non-profit" scam is the government's payoff to the intellectual class, for keeping mum about how the middle and working (i.e. productive) classes are being looted for the benefit of the freeloaders. The "intelligentsia" have eagerly signed this Devil's bargain – which says something about how "intelligent" they really are.

Similarly with religious communities, who happily accept tax-free status in return for not rocking the State's boat.

The fact that these con artists would rip off American military veterans, of all people, just makes them among the lowest of the very low.

Well, I hate to have to say it, but these "veterans" have already demonstrated an almost astonishing level of gullibility – which is a prime attribute of prey species. The US has never been involved in a war which would meet the requirements of what I understand Christian Just War theory to be – i.e. perfectly defensive, against unprovoked attack. Yet "the people" keep buying in and volunteering en masse every time a new war is announced. The instant turnaround of the American people from uninterested in Old World wars to total enthusiasm in response to FDR's carefully managed theater is only one case in point. And now the Rulers have figured out the perfect scam: a war that can never end. Will the American people ever tire of salivating to the bell?

Blogger YIH March 11, 2016 11:49 AM  

Hardly a surprise. How sleazy are they? This sleazy.
Now I could see a charity suing over a for-profit company over using their name. Which is why it's now called WWE.
But that was simply trying to push out a what 'Wounded Warrior Project' saw as a competitor for donation dollars and the possibility that they might be exposed as the fraud they are even sooner.
I've said over at the Chateau that most ''charities'' are little more than a much less than honest business - even ones that follow IRS rules to the letter.
What 'WWP' is doing is nothing unusual, there are few dozen ''wish'' charities that take donations and then mostly pocket them. Maybe take a sick kid or two to Disney World per year to make it appear like they're actually doing something (which they are, to make promotional material).
I was involved in one (who shall remain nameless). Cynical? Moi?

Blogger Adm Trell March 11, 2016 11:50 AM  

You're absolutely right. These big 'charities' are a scam. Back when I taught high school, we were always getting pressured to give to United Way, and I refused, even though our principal literally tried to shame us into giving. I wont give to any charity that has a big overhead, or SJW tendencies. The same for medical research. Dont tell me that 90% of those outfits are actually *trying* to cure disease.... that would put an end to the gravy-train real fast. People look at me like I'm an alien when pointing this out, but no-one wants to think this thru... the congnative dissonance is just too great for most sheeple.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 11:51 AM  

> "Non-profit" is not the same as "charity"

As a general rule, non-profit's that aren't charities don't deserve any of your money. Now charities don't have to be limited to human concerns. There are some that take care of abandoned animals and such, for instance.

Blogger Adm Trell March 11, 2016 11:52 AM  

The surprising thing is that CBS actually did good work - for once - exposing this. Now, if they would only devote the same investigative zeal & airtime to the abomination that is the VA, and all of the scandals there!

Blogger Artisanal Toad March 11, 2016 11:56 AM  

Rats and mice go to where the food is stored.

When they find the food they nibble their way in and when they have access, they proceed to get fat.

Then come the snakes, to eat the rats and mice.

The problem isn't that the snakes are there, because the snakes are a symptom of a rat and mouse infestation. Yet, snakes are cursed creatures and in order to deal with their natural prey, some grow to a large size and others have poisonous venom. Both can be a threat so they are usually killed on sight even though they serve a very useful function.

The problem isn't the rats and mice, they are just being rats and mice.

The problem is the stored food that is the result of either a failure to distribute it as it came in, or a misappropriation of food that created an oversupply at the storage bins. Rats and mice will always be with us. Either learn to love the snakes or learn to deal with the problem at its root cause.

Some would say we need the stored supply of food and thus there will always be rats and mice. This is actually not true. Suitable containers and structures can be created and correctly monitored to ensure that even in the worst of cases, rats and mice can cause only a minimal problem.

Aahhh, we now perceive the real problem. The snakes are in charge of the food.

Blogger Scott March 11, 2016 11:59 AM  

Child's play compared with government misallocation etc. Why doesn't CBS go after Obama for spending $7M on a trip to Hawaii?

Blogger Nick S March 11, 2016 11:59 AM  

Keeping your efforts local and physical is still a gamble, but a smarter bet. It's pretty easy to find deserving local organizations, individuals and/or families to help if you're so inclined. Otherwise, doing a little homework through organizations such as Charity Watch and many other available resources can help you make more informed decisions about giving.

Blogger Rye Bread March 11, 2016 11:59 AM  

I had lunch with John Melia (the original founder of the WWP) through a mutual friend in Houston. We got on the subject as I am part of the Veterans Network at my company, and he told me to stay far far away from WWP.

It seems that a soon as Steve Nardizzi came on board, he gave himself a massive raise and started pulling in people from his network and giving them outlandish salaries as well.

Anonymous Dave March 11, 2016 12:08 PM  

There are charity watchdog companies that do a good job of screening and rating charities such as Charity Watch and Charity Navigator. Always a good idea to check them first.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 11, 2016 12:08 PM  

Agreed, the land of corporate Stupid remain predatory, punitive and utterly above the law. But its fine, our generation can attempt to work outside from their tentacles.

Just as I require of the Vatican, I require here, open your books$!

Blogger YIH March 11, 2016 12:12 PM  

Adm Trell:
Dont tell me that 90% of those outfits are actually *trying* to cure disease.... that would put an end to the gravy-train real fast.
Guess what would happen if a ''cure'' charity were to get it's pet cause 'cured'?
You don't have to guess, it has happened.
It's called ''moving the goalposts''.

Anonymous Dave March 11, 2016 12:12 PM  

Nick S beat me to it but definitely check out Charity Navigator too.

Blogger Tank March 11, 2016 12:13 PM  

Very sad. And another reminder, generally, to keep your charity local, where you can see what it is and is not doing.

Anonymous Sam the Man March 11, 2016 12:14 PM  

Wounded warriors was known to be bad going way back, by al the other Vet organizations.

I think they came to the forefront in Vet charities as they had pretty big ad spreads during the NFL games a decade back or so. Not sure what it says about the NLF and their own Non-profit.
Not sure what that says about the NFL non-profit status....

Blogger RobertT March 11, 2016 12:15 PM  

People think a nonprofit magically means you don’t have to pay taxes. But that’s nonsense. I used to work for a large international bankcard that was structured as a nonprofit, but every single dime was taxed. They had no legitimate charitable purpose. That’s generally a bugaboo for aspiring nonprofits because they don’t have a legitimate charitable purpose. That’s not what’s driving them. As far as I know, never in history has a reasonably successful person decided to form a nonprofit. Just doesn’t happen. Unless they're old & rich and trying to buy their way into heaven. Or trying build a monument that outlives them. i.e. Carnegie Melon, Ford Foundation.

Another twist. As you say, SJW’s always lie. If you want to hang around with a ton of SJW’s, get involved with a large 501(c)3 like United Way. Wall to wall SJW’s. Patting themselves on the back, and getting patted on the back by every high profile in town. If you don't like SJW's, stay away from nonprofits.

Anonymous Josh March 11, 2016 12:16 PM  

Anyone ever look at the overhead of religious vs secular charities?

Would not be surprised to see most religious charities with lower overhead.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 11, 2016 12:17 PM  

I first learned about it because Piers Morgan thought it was a good idea. That was enough for me to go on.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 11, 2016 12:19 PM  

As a general rule, non-profit's that aren't charities don't deserve any of your money.

Unless I'm mistaken, most hospitals in the USA are non-profit (or not-for-profit, which I realize is a slight variant.)

Funny how well-off are those who are CEO's of hospitals, and why I watched physicians practically whore themselves out to move from seeing patients to the "administrative side" of medical care.

Blogger skiballa March 11, 2016 12:21 PM  

@19 "Well, I hate to have to say it, but these "veterans" have already demonstrated an almost astonishing level of gullibility – which is a prime attribute of prey species."

Philalethes,that's not exactly accurate, the veterans are not being fleeced except very indirectly by the withholding of funds supposedly intended for them.
The gullible folks are just the set motivated to donate by images of wounded disabled vets. It could as easily be pictures of doe eyed African or South American kids, or puppies and kitties, and etc.

And I'm not sure what the rest is supposed to mean, are you saying we should ignore it because these vets weren't "justly" wounded?

Anonymous LeeS March 11, 2016 12:23 PM  

The Clinton Foundation is a non-profit. Any more questions?

Blogger Rabbi B March 11, 2016 12:24 PM  

The L-rd detests differing weights,
and dishonest scales do not please him.

- Proverbs 20

Anonymous #NeverTrump March 11, 2016 12:24 PM  

It's not enough to say the problem, we need solutions. Ted Cruz has solutions. Does Donald Trump? Do you really think a NYC liberal who funded Hillary Clinton cares about vets?

Blogger skiballa March 11, 2016 12:26 PM  

This has been a long time coming, WWP has for many years been a subject of derision by most vet groups, vet web pages, and social circles. It has only now been picked up by more mainstream sources, and getting broader attention.

Blogger Nick S March 11, 2016 12:34 PM  

Rye Bread wrote:I had lunch with John Melia (the original founder of the WWP) through a mutual friend in Houston. We got on the subject as I am part of the Veterans Network at my company, and he told me to stay far far away from WWP.

It seems that a soon as Steve Nardizzi came on board, he gave himself a massive raise and started pulling in people from his network and giving them outlandish salaries as well.


I remember reading something about this (not your lunch, but about John and Steve's kerfuffle) several months ago in passing somewhere. Maybe it was part of a brief Twitter scuffle or something.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 12:40 PM  

So, the real question is: Has Sean Hannity repudiated them yet, or are they still being supported by his show?

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 11, 2016 12:44 PM  

Josh,

Looking at the biggest Religious Charities by revenue:

Awana
Agudath (Orthodox Jewish)
FCA
Frontiers
Hillel (Jewish)
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews
Prison Fellowship
Voice of the Martyrs
Youth for Christ

are the worst offenders, between 10% and 18% are administrative costs.

There are some really big hitters like Advancing Native Missions and Young Life that are below 7%. CNEWA is 1.9% (but they have 10% in fundraising expenses, which is high for Christian groups.)

Just FYI. I don't know how they compare to secular, but I share the same hunch...although it is important to remember that a huge number of secular charities as we now know them originated in Christian missions. Caesar corrupts.

Blogger Dalrock March 11, 2016 12:56 PM  

Bill O'Reilly has been vouching for them for years, and still does: https://www.billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/billsfavorites/billscharities.jsp

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 11, 2016 1:03 PM  

Fifty percent is for pikers.

March of Dimes runs to about 66% "in support of March of Dimes." Their CEO has a six figure salary and a private jet.

The Susan G Coleman Foundation is about in that neighborhood as well. (Think before you Pink)

How much of your charity involves thought, prayer and little sacrifice on your part?

If you're an SJW you have no problems there. The government does all your charity for you and does that using others peoples money to boot. You probably work at a non-profit yourself, doubling your virtue signaling points, while you try to work your way up to your own six figure salary and private jet.

But alas we aren't SJWs. My own advice is keep charity local if you can. For Example; talk to the local food pantry and ask them what they would like to have.

TAKE NOTE: It ain't cake mixes. Pantries hate those. Their clients just throw them out because they require eggs, milk and oil. Poor people can't afford to blow those things on cake. What they do need is spices because they never get those.

Blogger jay c March 11, 2016 1:09 PM  

No surprise that WWP is also run by liberals. Their anti-gun politics turned me off a long time ago.

Anonymous #1037 March 11, 2016 1:14 PM  

@35 "Religious" ones are no better. World Vision got caught faking their sponsor a child program. They spent the money on whatever they wanted and then had a random kid "Write" their sponsor a "Letter."

Charities prey on the feelgoodz lazy people get from giving money to "A good cause" instead of finding a need in their community to actually help with, which never involves mindlessly throwing money at the problem.

Blogger jay c March 11, 2016 1:15 PM  

I prefer to keep donations local and to have a personal relationship with the people who run the place.

Blogger Gaiseric March 11, 2016 1:16 PM  

#NeverTrump wrote:It's not enough to say the problem, we need solutions. Ted Cruz has solutions. Does Donald Trump? Do you really think a NYC liberal who funded Hillary Clinton cares about vets?
OT: don't forget to set your bombs forward one hour this weekend.

Blogger YIH March 11, 2016 1:16 PM  

James Dixon:
So, the real question is: Has Sean Hannity repudiated them yet, or are they still being supported by his show?
What I'd be interested is WWP being touted by Hannity out of the goodness of his heart, or are those paid 'live reads' not unlike those ''drive for Uber'' messages in his and many other shows? Probably the latter.

Blogger Silent Cal March 11, 2016 1:22 PM  

Peanut butter was the hot item at the food pantry that my old church supported. They could not keep it in stock.

Blogger CM March 11, 2016 1:22 PM  

What they do need is spices because they never get those.

Thanks for that info! Never connected spices to non-perishable. The go to is boxed and canned.

Blogger Lovekraft March 11, 2016 1:23 PM  

A couple of goombahs pulling the strings. Hmm. Can't see how anything could go wrong.

Blogger CM March 11, 2016 1:26 PM  

Charities prey on the feelgoodz lazy people get from giving money to "A good cause" instead of finding a need in their community to actually help with, which never involves mindlessly throwing money at the problem.

In terms of effectiveness, where would you rate garage/thrift shopping for work boots to take to the local hardware stores for day laborers?

Blogger YIH March 11, 2016 1:33 PM  

Another tip: If you can give anonymously, do so.
Do not supply any personal info such as street address or home phone number.
A roommate did that a few years ago, gave the phone number. Got calls from (you name it) charity literally for years. Some two and three times a day. One was so obnoxious for so long that I resorted to doing an obscene phone call when they rang.
Even then it took several lewd calls, making them hang up on me, until they finally gave up and stopped calling.
My favorite one was ''Hello, I'm calling for The Firefighters''. No location or specific cause, just ''The Firefighters''.
They sell around 'sucker lists' just like any other scam artists.

Anonymous Toddy Cat March 11, 2016 1:33 PM  

"what I understand Christian Just War theory to be – i.e. perfectly defensive, against unprovoked attack."

With all due respect, I don't believe that the original Just War doctrine as outlined by Thomas Aquinas stipulated either of these things, these are later accretions tacked on by (mostly liberal) theologians, and of course, "provoked" is a pretty loaded word. Was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor "unprovoked?" It depends how you define "provoked", and who you ask. Here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

"The primary title of a state to go to war is:
•first, the fact that the state's right (either directly or indirectly through those of its citizens) are menaced by foreign aggression not otherwise to be prevented than by war;
•secondly, the fact of actual violation of right not otherwise reparable;
•thirdly, the need of punishing the threatening or infringing power for the security of the future"

This certainly rules out flat-out aggression, but "Purely Defensive"? Probably not...

Anonymous Snickers March 11, 2016 1:35 PM  

My denomination runs both short and long term foreign charity with 0% admin cost by using the missionaries that are there anyway and are required to raise their own funds to be there. Their competing product to world vision is: http://www.childcareministries.org/

Locally, when massive aid is needed, like the large forest fires that burned the hippies out of the sticks, the local church provided food and lodging for a time to allow them some time to reassemble their lives. Benevolent work of this sort is done by the pastor which is paid anyway and volunteers.

Blogger Teri March 11, 2016 1:43 PM  

Don't normally post here. There are legitimate expenses that even non-profits have to pay (phone/internet service, rent, utilities, etc.) I used to do fund raisers for police/fire lobbying groups and we took 20% off the top. 10-15% is low.

And, if you heard one of the whistleblowers (a guy hired to do motivational speeches), he quit the place because he was upset that the money wasn't going to the vets. The problem here is the "lavish company meetings" syndrome.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 11, 2016 1:44 PM  

CM wrote:In terms of effectiveness, where would you rate garage/thrift shopping for work boots to take to the local hardware stores for day laborers?

Are you suggesting giving shoes, to Mexicans, that wore theirs out by walking across the desert? Or are you talking about steel-toed boots for hobos so they can get on an industrial site?

Blogger Gordon March 11, 2016 1:54 PM  

"Poor people can't afford to blow those things on cake."

Huh. I see a lot of people buying personalized, decorated cakes with EB T. But perhaps we're talking about different groups of people.

I know the 800-pound food shelf around here is always saying they prefer money to food donations, as they can use cash to make effective bulk purchases. I suspect this is true. Of course, cash also pays the salaries of the full-time staff.

Anonymous Frank B Luke March 11, 2016 2:01 PM  

@35Anyone ever look at the overhead of religious vs secular charities?

Would not be surprised to see most religious charities with lower overhead.


I used to work for a religious charity. The admin kept 5% of all donations for admin and overhead. That's all. Some donors wanted anything of the 5% that was over admin costs to be directed back to the charity's recipients. The head explained why he didn't want that. "Some years, the 5% covers everything plus. Some years it does not. Those years when it's over, we put the overage into a rainy day fund, specifically for those years when it doesn't. It's always worked out so far."

Blogger Sheila4g March 11, 2016 2:10 PM  

We gave to WWF years ago, then heard the rumors of lavish spending/admin costs, and stopped. We still get more mail/funding requests from them than just about anyone else.

Giving locally sounds fine - but it depends upon where you live. For years I donated foodstuffs to our (former) church's Thanksgiving drive, helped sort it, and helped box it up. One year I finally helped make deliveries. I saw who was getting these boxes of free food, and I never volunteered again. Same goes for Christmas Angel Tree gifts. Most churches get their lists of "needy" from local city government - i.e. all SJWs and bureaucrats.

I currently have half a dozen boxes of good quality, outgrown clothes from my kids. I'm trying to find a "local" charity in Appalachia to mail them to at my expense (the parents of a friend from W. Va., who were going to help me find a church to send them to, have been ill). If I give them anywhere locally, they will all go to Mexicans. I know there are Americans in need, but if anyone here knows of how to send physical charity (not junk, but gently used things) to some legitimate Americans, not magic dirt/magic paper Americans, I'd truly appreciate it.

@59 Teri: "I used to do fund raisers for police/fire lobbying groups and we took 20% off the top. 10-15% is low."
We have gotten numerous give me money calls over the years from men purporting to be local firefighters or cops. I merely presume they are all paid fundraisers and hang up. I've never given or purchased anything due to a phone call.

Blogger Mark Citadel March 11, 2016 2:16 PM  

Pretty disgraceful, but it shouldn't really come as a surprise. We see a world where everything is in decay. There is corruption in politics, corruption in academia, corruption in the church. Why would there not be corruption in charity? We are in a decadent age, and I'm afraid there are virtually no enclaves of society that remain untouched by this blight.

Blogger Teri March 11, 2016 2:23 PM  

One of the ones I did was WSLEA (Washington State Law Enforcement Association). But yeah, there are a number of similar groups out there. I did some search and rescue groups too. The group I worked for put on rock and roll shows with aging rockers. So I guess folks did get something out of it. Discovered that the public considers fund raisers to be on about the same level as steet beggars and hookers :)

Blogger Teri March 11, 2016 2:23 PM  

One of the ones I did was WSLEA (Washington State Law Enforcement Association). But yeah, there are a number of similar groups out there. I did some search and rescue groups too. The group I worked for put on rock and roll shows with aging rockers. So I guess folks did get something out of it. Discovered that the public considers fund raisers to be on about the same level as steet beggars and hookers :)

Anonymous Cash March 11, 2016 2:29 PM  

There is a proven way to get big and attract money and it's called business.

A lot of these charities look like big businesses. Businesses have expenses as less than 20% is ever profit.

So it's this weird thing were the formula to get money is not very "charity" looking. But people give money to it. People are too lazy, unaware, unmotivated, don't want to be the only person they know giving to a charity, to go out and find a charity doing good work without the marketing and expense of hiring people that know how to get money.

So I don't know what you do but that is the way the world works. If a charity is spending less than say 15% on over head and "education" which is usually fundraising btw then I think that is pretty good. Of course it depends on the work they are doing whether that number should be higher or lower.

Anonymous BGKB March 11, 2016 2:30 PM  

Maybe they had John Kerry level papercuts, making them wounded worriers themselves? If you don't give to a local charity there is a chance they money will be spent on snorting cocaine off a prostitute, even if it happened locally it would keep the money and benefit in the area.

Google United Way scandal and it will really tell you all you need to know.

I bring up the embezzling scandal at every place I have worked.

Maybe take a sick kid or two to Disney World per year to make it appear like they're actually doing something

They also pay for a nurse to go with the sick kid, but not the nurses family so a home health nurse with no kids can end up with a free paid working trip with someone else's patient & getting to the front of the lines.

giving shoes, to Mexicans, that wore theirs out by walking across the desert? Or are you talking about steel-toed boots for hobos If you see Dan Savage or a NY Times reporter picking them up give blackjacks so they can rob them.

For all the people that said you can't con an honest man, most of the people giving to these are honest. Hopefully Tom Kratman will comment on all the other scams aimed at new soldiers near bases.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 11, 2016 2:37 PM  

Fools and their money are soon parted.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 11, 2016 2:45 PM  

The Goodwill in Toronto went bankrupt recently. And they got their product for free! The CEO was apparently making over $200K.

BTW, it was a female CEO. Not that it matters!

I don't think the Goodwill was a charity but still.

Anonymous Jimmy the FreaK March 11, 2016 2:56 PM  

I always found the Salvation Army to be a good general charity. The added plus is you can usually find a local post to donate to.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 2:57 PM  

> I used to work for a religious charity. The admin kept 5% of all donations for admin and overhead.

That sounds about right. Depending on the charity and what they do, I can see it being more though.

>What I'd be interested is WWP being touted by Hannity out of the goodness of his heart, or are those paid 'live reads'

I can't honestly say for sure, but I know which way I'd bet.

> I used to do fund raisers for police/fire lobbying groups and we took 20% off the top.

Yeah, and now you know why I don't give to those groups, don't you?

> I currently have half a dozen boxes of good quality, outgrown clothes from my kids. I'm trying to find a "local" charity in Appalachia to mail them to at my expense

Talk to your minister. He may know of or be able to find a church in the area. I know the Church of Christ in Mannington is always taking clothes.

> Discovered that the public considers fund raisers to be on about the same level as steet beggars and hookers :)

Only street beggars. Hookers earn their money. I may not like they way they earn it, but earn it they do.

Anonymous Dave March 11, 2016 2:58 PM  

Oh boy, Cash is talking money again

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 3:05 PM  

To be fair, I can count on both hands the number of charities we've given to over the years. Some of them do have fairly high expense ratios (Paws with a Cause, for instance), others don't.

But our charity giving has always been more limited than I'd like to be, simply because we concentrate more on saving for retirement so we don't need charity ourselves in our old age. There will plenty of time to give any money we don't need away after retirement. The most we normally give to these type of charities is $20, and a lot of charities don't like donations that small, which leaves them off our list.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 11, 2016 3:15 PM  

Local mega church runs a free food pantry for fat Cadillac driving black women with $100 hairdos

Blogger Sheila4g March 11, 2016 3:51 PM  

@72 James Dixon: "Talk to your minister. He may know of or be able to find a church in the area. I know the Church of Christ in Mannington is always taking clothes."

Our former minister is a massive SJW who objected when I found all the Christmas Angel Tree recipients were foreign-born Chinese to be objectionable. Our area is greater Dallas/Ft. Worth. All charities and fund drives here are for illegal Mestizos who drive big trucks and have new phones. I will trash the clothes I have before I will give them anything.

Blogger ray March 11, 2016 4:15 PM  

Firing Squad for all who profit upon the nation's vets. And baby is that a looooooong list, these corrupt decades running.

Indentured servitude for the families of profiteers. They should serve lifelong the men that have been cucked by these traitorous and corrupt NGOs.

Complete and full-stop to NGO/corporate collective (non)accountability. All traitorous activities and crimes to be answered by individual org representatives, NOT their lawyers in court.

First following year's results: 80 percent reduction in the cheating of America's vets. Money and aid going to veterans, not to the daughters and wives of fat cucklings.

Blogger CM March 11, 2016 4:18 PM  

Are you suggesting giving shoes, to Mexicans, that wore theirs out by walking across the desert? Or are you talking about steel-toed boots for hobos so they can get on an industrial site?

No to the former. Probably more along the lines of the latter... essentially, homeless guy looking for work with holes in his shoes.

These conversations here i find the most useful and constructive. I know men's shelters need blankets and supplies... they get the short end of the stick in charitable giving.

There's a need for for family shelters.

I also know that minimum wage/just getting by but working people need better quality necessities at lower prices so they can start saving but don't want outright charity (something for something).

How do you determine who to give to? Trying to make the distinction between someone who is trying or not?

Blogger ray March 11, 2016 4:27 PM  

"Peanut butter was the hot item at the food pantry that my old church supported. They could not keep it in stock."


Keeps a long time unrefrigerated, and provides quick protein w/o any prep. Very popular.

Give your money directly to individuals, not to NGOs or government, who will re-direct most of it to themselves and their Causes (i.e., themselves redux).

This ain't rocket science, people are just lazy.

Anonymous Cash March 11, 2016 4:35 PM  

@Dave

You are right. I have been talking money a lot lately.

I would say if you want to help wounded vets then go to the VA for a day and just talk to some of them and find out if there is something they need.

Anonymous Cash March 11, 2016 4:37 PM  

"I also know that minimum wage/just getting by but working people need better quality necessities at lower prices so they can start saving but don't want outright charity (something for something)."

When they do a good job tip big.

Anonymous The OASF March 11, 2016 5:39 PM  

I have said for so many years now... that despite all the patriotic nonsense in the media Americans could generally not give a shit about their veterans, wounded or otherwise. Just as after Vietnam they are considered succors and war criminals... and potential threats to society. That the American fluoride heads give money to some racket as a tax write off does little to dispute that fact.

I've been to the minor league playoff games where they trot out the disfigured Iraqi war veterans to the horror of the crowd, after which the the soldiers get a bag of popcorn and a hat.

I've heard the gasp of the horrified crowd soon replaced with chuckles and murmured phrases like "succors" and "better them than our kids."

It's also clear that the government does all it can to avoid hiring veterans atop of placing them on terror watch and/or extermination lists.

I admire Donald Trump. But truth is he's fighting to save a country that does not deserved to be saved in any way, shape, or form.

Anonymous ScottE March 11, 2016 6:03 PM  

I went to their web site over a year ago since I figured they'd want volunteers. No where at the time could I find a "Volunteer now" button. Only "Donate now" buttons everywhere. Big red flag for me. I see now you can volunteer.... to hold a fund raiser!

Blogger Eric March 11, 2016 6:13 PM  

The United way is simply a middleman transfer agent. I see no other purpose that they serve than that. They distribute money and skim an excessive amount off the top doing it.

The UW actually has a purpose. Since so many charities are scams it makes sense to have an organization that vets them. The UW does audits, and it has standards (like overhead no more than 15%) is used to pick worthy groups. There are two problems, though.

One, you're trusting the United Way to behave scrupulously, and it has't always done so. There was a scandal where the execs were taking out loans from the donations. I'm not sure if they were planning to pay them back or not.

And two, things that they consider worthy causes aren't necessarily things I consider worthy causes. When someone else does the picking you may find your money went to "family planning" charities or care packages for illegals.

Blogger Eric March 11, 2016 6:20 PM  

Decades ago I had an acquaintance that worked for a company that called around for charities. One of them was some kind of canine lupus foundation. I didn't even know dogs could get lupus. Anyway, she had a list of old ladies she called for donations.

She kept fifty cents on every dollar. Her boss kept another twenty five. So right off the top, the company that solicits donations has taken 75%. The remaining quarter actually went to the foundation, which had its officers to pay.

I don't remember the whole list, but essentially the money went through a bunch of hands along the way, and each person would wet his beak. Eventually a few cents of every dollar you donated wound up paying a grad student looking at slides.

That's when I decided never to donate money to a charity with which I wasn't intimately familiar.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 6:35 PM  

> Our former minister is a massive SJW

There are good ministers out there. Ask around. Or I can look up the address of that Church of Christ for you.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 11, 2016 7:14 PM  

Food banks are mostly scams. My grocer and I are researching a hunch; the food they donate is not only going to others but not going to those in need with legit docs and a history of foodbank utilization. To our findings is that 4 to 5 food banks are frauds.

I was loving the debate of a 5'5 110 woman versus a 400 pounder over docs and a food check off list. It is grand, I am pushed further and further into the doom, austerity and goin' without.

Life is about going without.

Our housing mgmt wont let homeless vets stay that way, they do everything they can to get them off the streets regardless of any of their problems. Charity begins at home, local.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 11, 2016 7:16 PM  

Returning to the current topic, the VA, food banks, other orgs and charities often send exhausted vets of all ages and ranks in circles for help, its livid level awful, but the Lord will over ride the evil and help them.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 11, 2016 8:11 PM  

CM wrote:How do you determine who to give to? Trying to make the distinction between someone who is trying or not?

There is an apocryphal story about a preacher that bought a shovel and put it in his office. Guys would come in begging to work and he'd point at the shovel and tell them he'd meet them outside in a minute. Reportedly, the shovel had never been used by the time he retired.

Blogger Moon Man March 11, 2016 9:03 PM  

Tax returns for public charities can usually be found online. Guidestar is an example of a website that allows you to search. The IRS form 990 shows all of the revenues and expenses and can be used to determine how much is spent on director and employee salaries relative to donations taken in. It's a quick, easy way to see just how much of the money taken in by an organization actually goes towards its stated exempt purposes.
The abuse of foundations is legendary. Celebrities and pro athletes will form charitable foundations all the time and hire their family members for make work jobs. It's a way of funneling tax free cash (inbound) to family members. Yes, they pay tax on the wages but it's still an abusive tactic.

Blogger haus frau March 11, 2016 9:03 PM  

Years ago, a few days after my first child was born and my husband got laid off, meaning we would have to b=move 1500 miles away to a new job and the house would foreclose...I got a call a call from some police charity. I was a little naive and didn't know what a scam it was or I would have just hung up. I explained my situation and that I wasn't in any position to donate and the guy still pushed for "just $15" and then put his manager on to finalize the donation. I finally hung up. The whole call felt like a timeshare pitch. If they were really a charitable organization they wouldn't be scamming donations from people they know can't afford it. My parents get these calls all the time. They can be quite nasty and rude. My mom told one woman she wouldn't donate anything without talking it over with her husband and the woman berated her for needing a man's permission with her money. I second the previous poster, make it anonymous or use a local source you trust like your own church.

Anonymous JRL March 11, 2016 11:21 PM  

After nearly a ������ of wadka and reading all the comments, all I can,say is yup,@7. Don't be a denier! Mission creep and survival of the least gullible....These are the competing strategies...and just remember, whatever the outcome, it was already predicted by SCIENCE!!! Which I fuckng love. #classdismissed

Blogger aaron March 11, 2016 11:51 PM  

I am the Non-Profiteer.
I leech the bad blood from a broken system
And drizzle it over the open wounds of hate.
The Third World is first in my heart
And forthcoming in my travel plans.
I don’t profit because I’m not an investment,
I’m a person. Just like those statistics in Africa.
For me there is no bottom line, just bottomless
Compassion for those preyed on by profits.
My conscience is conflict free.

I don't just give, I give until it hurts
My parents, but whatever my cause is too critical
To worry about rents, or utilities, or where the next
Cupcake will come from. We have to pay to play,
But this is no game. This is all a game.
I am a sexy sheep in foxy clothing.
I move the movers and shakedown the shakers.
I guilt the lily for the children may flower.
We may not end world hunger or impose world peace
But at least we can Casino Night trying.

Some people have a job with benefits, but
My job benefits others so it also has benefits,
Like health care and meeting rich people at night
With alcohol. From my sinecure I work for a world
Without care. I give voice to the powerless
With silent auctions. I sell bachelors to bid human
Bondage adieu. I throw parties for poor people.
Well, not “for” for. Freedom may be free but the human
Cost of caring is not. We all deserve a better fête.
Philanthropy loves company that profits from misery.

Blogger Kona Commuter March 12, 2016 12:25 AM  

Don't get me started on so called charities. At my previous place of employment (Food manufacturer) we used to donate to a charity that provided for people down on their luck. It was a local charity. Yeah they swung us (storeman) some stuff but TBH it was far more pain than it was worth because of all the heat it brought onto us.

Anyways - an arsehole in the office arranged for a nation wide charity to receive our donations. This charities top brass are always hobnobbing with politicians and celebrities to raise awareness. They also don't provide our donations to those in need. Oh no. For a fee, they distribute the donations to other charities.... other charities like the one we previously supplied. Yup, they were now paying for what they used to get for nix.

Because it was organised by an office jerk (who was let go) we couldn't right this injustice.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 12, 2016 2:45 AM  

93 Perhaps somday share your jefferson county/steub stories.

Anonymous Discard March 12, 2016 2:48 AM  

Sheila4g: When I lived in Los Angeles, any donated clothes would go to Mexicans. So, when I would go on a camping vacation, I would take my year's accumulated donatable items and give them to some church I'd see along the way. Maybe they still went to some wetbacks in rural Oregon, but I made the effort anyway.

Blogger VD March 12, 2016 9:04 AM  

I used to do fund raisers for police/fire lobbying groups and we took 20% off the top. 10-15% is low.

Who is we? Were you a hired service?

Blogger Tom Kratman March 12, 2016 10:59 AM  

@68

I'll tell you one scam, pretty much on point.

First, a little background. While in the -4 shop of 1st Brigade, 24th ID (M), in 1985, I got stuck with being the Combined Federal Campaign Officer for the 24th Infantry Division. I actually managed to set a record for amount collected that I believe was never broken while the 24th was on Ft Stewart. I suppose I take the kind of pride in that Eichmann took in a well run railway schedule.

However, I learned something interesting that was worth the damage to my soul. You see, CFC is a sub-set of United Way, so working CFC gave me an insight into UW.

You know those forms that allow one to designate who gets their charitable contribution? You know, so you don't have to feel bad giving to Planned Parenthood? Or Muhammad M. Muhammad III doesn't have to give to Israel?

Scam. What actually happens is that everybody who slurps at the CFC / UW trough gets a percentage of the take that's already fixed. The only way it would happen that your money goes where you want it to, and doesn't go where you don't want it to, is if enough people designated where their contribution was to go to exceed the percent that was going to each, anyway. This never ("What, never?" "No, NEVER!") happens.

Additionally, all the serious do-good funding comes from governments. Your contributions go, instead, to support, which is to say letting Salvation Army captains live in demi-mansions, and paying for actual mansions for the higher up Tranzis in places like Darien, Connecticutt. You pay for the conferences at five star resorts and the first class airfare to and from. You pay for the inflated salaries and overly generous retirement and severance packages.

Frankly, the only charities I don't have reason to suspect are scams are Catholic charities, and I am not convinced even they are all that pure.

Blogger Tom Kratman March 12, 2016 11:01 AM  

Addendum:

They're an industry. They produce guilt and sell absolution.

Anonymous Discard March 13, 2016 1:09 AM  

99. Tom Kratman: Manufacturing guilt and selling absolution is what pretty much all liberalism does. The ploy would not work with a non-Christianized population, but is expressly tailored for an ex-Christian society.

Blogger Tom Kratman March 13, 2016 12:25 PM  

Not entirely sure of that, Dis. I've mentioned that my church (RC) has a pet project in Haiti, a school they support. I refuse to give a penny. Because I hate Haitians? No, because I think that we're responsible for the reasonably foreseeable results of what we do. The reasonably foreseeable result of that school is to allow more capable Haitians to escape that hellhole, leaving the place even worse off.

Being RC and somewhat traditional, they're not actually post-Christian or ex-Christian, nor, despite a certain anti-gun sentiment on the part of the priest (Polish) and deacon, all that liberal. What they are is shortsighted, which is also a feature of charities, generally.

Some examples:

Feed the starving this year and either: a) ensure there are more starving next year or b) put local farmers out of business or c) both. Usually it's both.

Give away used western clothing: put shops out of business. Put local weavers and seamstresses out of business.

Educate the uneducated: Help them escape their country and people and leave both worse off.

Redeem / ransom slaves: Ensure that the price of slaves rises, so more slaves are taken.

Moreover, you know those pictures of staving kids for this emergency or that, taking place at odd times around the world? Yeah, people need to consider the timeline (presupposing the pictures aren't just stock photos from the last crisis. Yes, this happens).

But, assuming the crisis is real and not a fund-raising creation of Madison Avenue, by the time the pics are taken and reproduced, then distributed, then the money to assuage guilt collected, the food bought, transportation hired, an organization set up or expanded to distribute it, and its actually being distributed, that kid in the picture is no longer in need of food; either the crisis has passed or he (or she) is dead already. But the charity had nothing to do with the former and only with the latter to the extent that its misguided do-goodism/feel-goodism ruined agriculture locally in previous years.

Anonymous Discard March 13, 2016 11:49 PM  

Tom Kratman: By "ex-Christian", I was referring to the West as a whole, not to any particular church. 2000 years of Christianity leaves its mark on character and culture, and I believe that very professional manipulators have taken the idea of sin and redemption and turned it to their own purposes.

My church has been on a crusade to provide mosquito nets for people living in malarial areas, but I don't give. Teach them to make their own nets, it's at most a 19th century technology. As it is, we're just providing village BigMen veils for their daughters' weddings.

Blogger Tom Kratman March 14, 2016 12:30 AM  

Insist on provision of DDT with the nets. It'll piss off the ecofreaks.

Anonymous Discard March 14, 2016 5:12 PM  

Isn't it much crueler to starve the mosquitos?

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