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Wednesday, March 23, 2016

Some things never grow old

I'm not sure what amuses me more: 1) the way atheists get annoyed whenever they see my name among the Best Sellers in Atheism, or, 2) the way the SF-SJWs always try to minimize category bestsellers by pointing out the fact that there are lots of niche categories on Amazon.

Which is, of course, true, but the relevant point is that in these particular cases, it's not just any category, but intellectually significant categories such as Atheism, Politics, and Philosophy. Which makes me, quite literally, a bestselling philosopher. Sadly, I have thus far been unsuccessful at convincing Spacebunny to tell people that "philosopher" is my occupation. Maybe if I started wearing a wooden barrel....

In any event, I would like to sincerely congratulate my co-author, Dominic, for his first top-three bestseller in the Atheism category. Not bad for a former denizen of richarddawkins.net. And I'd like to thank all of you for making that happen.

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57 Comments:

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 March 23, 2016 1:30 PM  

In other news, Trump seems to be backtracking from his talk about cutting off Islamic immigration. As reported by Ace of Spades.

Anonymous theblondbeast March 23, 2016 1:32 PM  

"We're gonna win, and we're gonna win a lot!" Congratulations on your success. I look forward to reading more of your work.

Anonymous Stickwick March 23, 2016 1:32 PM  

It's good to see atheism being discussed here again.

It will be interesting to see if atheists are less likely than SJWs to deal with their annoyance by posting fake reviews. Though the fact that this is a dialog with an atheist may be a mitigating factor.

Blogger BassmanCO March 23, 2016 1:35 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl4VD8uvgec

Couldn't help but think of this when our host mentioned being a philosopher. The clip is more accurately speaking about SJWs, but I still find it amusing.

Anonymous szIlk March 23, 2016 1:47 PM  

Oh, to Vox or not to Vox....

Blogger VD March 23, 2016 1:50 PM  

Trump seems to be backtracking from his talk about cutting off Islamic immigration. As reported by Ace of Spades.

I've spotted two problems with your comment. See if you can ID them.

Blogger Dexter March 23, 2016 1:51 PM  

I quit reading Ace because his comments about Trump were so stupid and annoying.

Blogger Salt March 23, 2016 1:54 PM  

Halfway through it. Informative and entertaining. Gratz on being #3.

Anonymous Dave March 23, 2016 1:56 PM  

Hilarious. You throw together an ebook based on a series of blog posts and voilà another Amazon bestseller. This deserves to go #1: http://amzn.to/25lBoDq

This feat was accomplished without the assistance of many members of Castalia House's new release newsletter as this was the bonus book generously provided by CH for purchasing Iron Chamber of Memory.

Blogger Adam Meek March 23, 2016 2:00 PM  

Any chance Cuckservative & Existence of Gods will be ever be available thru Barnes & Noble?

All they have now are TIA and RGD.

Anonymous J. Scalzi March 23, 2016 2:04 PM  

...whenever they see my name among the Best Sellers...

Shenanigans!

The ONLY way this book could have been a best seller this quickly is if the publisher purchased a fuckton of advanced copies. I know EXACTLY how that works because...

heh

ummm

You're a Racist, Sexist, Homophobic Dipshit!

*runs*

Anonymous Dave March 23, 2016 2:10 PM  

I've spotted two problems with your comment. See if you can ID them.

Trump and Ace of Spades have absolutely nothing in common with the post subject matter?

Blogger Gaiseric March 23, 2016 2:14 PM  

Dave wrote:I've spotted two problems with your comment. See if you can ID them.

Trump and Ace of Spades have absolutely nothing in common with the post subject matter?

OK, three problems then.

Blogger YIH March 23, 2016 2:18 PM  

That's not Scalzi, not enough all caps or whining.

Blogger weka March 23, 2016 2:21 PM  

Do not go to the barrel, Vox. Diogenes did not get any.
Nor did he find an honest man... particularly among the politicians and political bloggers.

Off topic; cannot get to Glen Reynolds site. Is it down?

Blogger DBSFF March 23, 2016 2:31 PM  

Bought. Would be hilarious to see it jump up to one.

Anonymous patrick kelly March 23, 2016 2:42 PM  

Vox,

It's awesome watching your strategy unfold as you become a successful, influential author and publisher.

Be careful, watch your back, and stay as humble as is possible for supreme dark lords of evil.

Blogger B.J. March 23, 2016 3:03 PM  

Are there any atheists actually complaining about this?

Anonymous szIlk March 23, 2016 3:06 PM  

Well, we can all think of one right off hand, B.J....

Blogger James Dixon March 23, 2016 3:10 PM  

> Off topic; cannot get to Glen Reynolds site. Is it down?

Works fine here.

Blogger JDC March 23, 2016 3:30 PM  

What great days those were when Dominic and Vox went at it. I'd personally like to see the Calvinism debate in kindle format.

Anonymous Michael Maier March 23, 2016 3:31 PM  

Well I'll likely be adding another sale to the tally when I get home tonight... another e-book on my Kindle to not get around to reading.

Yay.

Blogger newanubis March 23, 2016 3:32 PM  

I loved the vd/santarelli exchange on 'The Existence of Gods' originally debuting here on this blog and was most impressed by the effort to fairly judge this exchange. While I'm certain that Dominic was gracious in receiving their verdict, does anyone recall whether he agreed with it? Not that his position would change, but rather an admission wherein he could see why the outcome was decided as it was.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 23, 2016 3:36 PM  

Just as amusing is that the top 20 is rounded out by the unavailable version of The God Delusion by Dawkins.

The available version is number two.

That means that the atheist book that you can't see requires greater mathematical cognition to believe in than the same atheist book that you can see.

The irony.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 23, 2016 3:38 PM  

The Calvinism debate immolated faster than Michael Servetus.

Blogger Zimri March 23, 2016 3:38 PM  

Did you bullshit last week?

Blogger B.J. March 23, 2016 3:42 PM  

szIlk wrote:Well, we can all think of one right off hand, B.J....

I don't think that's actually Scalzi.

Blogger James Dixon March 23, 2016 3:49 PM  

> While I'm certain that Dominic was gracious in receiving their verdict, does anyone recall whether he agreed with it?

His introduction, which is available via the "Look Inside" option, answers your question.

Blogger tz March 23, 2016 3:56 PM  

Philosopher King doesn't sound as sexy as Supreme Dark Lord. Or the title of the spouse.

Blogger Badger Brigadon March 23, 2016 4:03 PM  

Apparently yesterday, when I was in one of my Brother Jay's FB threads where Brad Torgerson and Michael Z Williamson Regularly comment. (Jay Owns Rampant Games and is a game developer/Upcoming author) When I mentioned Castalia house, I was told that it was like 'letting off a stink bomb in a crowded bus'.

Kinda makes you proud, and me not even a vile faceless minion.

Anonymous szIlk March 23, 2016 4:05 PM  

@29, always found that old line from Plato to be very amusing....so if Plato had been a plumber what type of person would he have said should be the king?

Blogger VD March 23, 2016 4:07 PM  

When I mentioned Castalia house, I was told that it was like 'letting off a stink bomb in a crowded bus'.

Inside three years, the people saying that will be submitting and talking about how their vision aligns with ours.

Anonymous Epimandes March 23, 2016 4:11 PM  

"I wish I could rub my stomach in the same way, and so avoid hunger."

"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."

"Boasting, like gilded armour, is very different inside from outside."

"I am searching for the bones of your [i.e. Alexander's] father but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave."

Blogger Alexander March 23, 2016 4:21 PM  

@32

Inside three years, the people saying that will be submitting and talking about how their vision aligns with ours.

I hope that those of us who have purchased Castalia books before that date will be given special-edition lapel pins for our Hugo Boss uniforms.

Anonymous Dave March 23, 2016 5:09 PM  

given special-edition lapel pins for our Hugo Boss uniforms.

All that is necessary is to know we were there from the beginning.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 23, 2016 5:30 PM  

Please tell me SB's answer to the question "What does your husband do?" is "Oh, he is an eceleb."

Anonymous Dave March 23, 2016 5:46 PM  

Although I'll admit I had the same thought, is it not impertinent for a VFM to question their Dark Lord?

Woman at party: "What does your husband do?"
SB "He's the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil"
Woman, after wkward pause "Excuse me, I have to be going now."

Anonymous BGKB March 23, 2016 6:04 PM  

Do not go to the barrel, Vox. Diogenes did not get any. Nor did he find an honest man...

I asked him to help me find a nice guy in Miami that doesn't do drugs, no help at all.

given special-edition lapel pins for our Hugo Boss uniforms.All that is necessary is to know we were there from the beginning

So much for buying a bunch of brown scrub tops.

Blogger Blackburn #0040 March 23, 2016 6:06 PM  

Sadly, I have thus far been unsuccessful at convincing Spacebunny to tell people that "philosopher" is my occupation.

Blame hypergamy. Far better to be married to the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil, than a mere philosopher as @37 Dave had alluded to.

Blogger SouthRon March 23, 2016 6:18 PM  

Wearing a wooden barrel?

If he floats he's a witch. Burn 'em!

Blogger James March 23, 2016 6:37 PM  

Dear Vox: The way to convince people that you are something is to receive unemployment checks for not doing it, like Mel Brooks when he played the stand-up philosopher in "The History of the World, Part I." "Did you philosophize this week? No. Did you TRY to philosophize this week? Yes."
Then his pal ruined it by telling the bureaucrat that he had a gig at Caesar's Palace.

Blogger wrf3 March 23, 2016 6:37 PM  

So where has Dominic been, anyway? I just finished chapter 1 and I think he won that round. And I think he won that round based on Axelrod's "The Evolution of Cooperation". At least, Axelrod moves the argument from "a Creator is needed for Good" to "why does the Universe exist at all, and why is it the way it is?" To which the only answers are "because" and "because God".

Dominic is an entertaining writer, and Vox is the Supreme Dark Lord (which is somewhat humorous, given his argumentation in chapter 1), but trying to prove that God exists, or does not exist, is a fool's errand. Either you hold His existence to be a priori true, or you don't. Either way, you end up with a consistent system. You will get different answers to some common questions, but you won't get any contradictions. You may, however, find a nevertheless interesting debate.

Blogger Badger Brigadon March 23, 2016 6:45 PM  

To be fair, I don't read Vox' fiction. Not a fan of fantasy, I get enough of that watching the news.

Blogger VD March 23, 2016 6:50 PM  

So where has Dominic been, anyway? I just finished chapter 1 and I think he won that round. And I think he won that round based on Axelrod's "The Evolution of Cooperation". At least, Axelrod moves the argument from "a Creator is needed for Good" to "why does the Universe exist at all, and why is it the way it is?" To which the only answers are "because" and "because God".

You need to re-read the chapter. You clearly didn't understand the arguments or even the contested point. I can tell you are reading for gotchas. Don't. Go in fresh.

Blogger weka March 23, 2016 8:53 PM  

given special-edition lapel pins for our Hugo Boss uniforms.All that is necessary is to know we were there from the beginning

So much for buying a bunch of brown scrub tops.


You should know better, BGKB. Boss came on board after the originals had all been killed off and gave the victors nice tailored black uniforms with lightning patches.



Woman at party: "What does your husband do?"
SB "He's the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil"
Woman, after wkward pause "Excuse me, I have to be going now."


No. Hypergamy. Woman wants to become of the Harem. Not a VFM, nor SB, nor Maelwyn. So SB probably says retired soccer player. Less attractive.

(Nothing that the more batshit and leftist the woman, the more likely she is to succumb to the dark, forgetting that VD does satire and game design).

Inside three years, the people saying that will be submitting and talking about how their vision aligns with ours.

No. They will be trying to make Baen more pagan and beta by the week. Ringo, on the other hand, will jump. Because the entryists in Baen will try to tame him. Kratman will have. no. choice but to move, as he is feral (which VD knows).

Tor and the "nice literary" SF authors: less than three years to Starbux employment or writing stuff for Castalia. (Starbux, of course, makes appalling coffee, and one should never call the serfs who make it barristae: that is reserved for Kiwi and Italian craftsmen of the noble bean).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 23, 2016 8:57 PM  

Adam Meek wrote:Any chance Cuckservative & Existence of Gods will be ever be available thru Barnes & Noble?
Install the kindle desktop app on your PC, download the book, use Calibre to convert it to ebook format.
If you have a nook, you should have Calibre anyway.

Blogger wrf3 March 23, 2016 11:22 PM  

Vox @44: Contrary to your claim, I'm not looking for "gotchas". Instead, I think Dominic's argument vis a vis morality is not only on the right track, but can be strengthened. He wrote, “I’m not saying that our common biology is the definitive answer as to why we all perceive and recognize flavor, temperature, and evil, but it is just as good an explanation...“ This is where Axelrod's "Evolution of Cooperation" comes in, as it explains the biological basis for our recognition of good and evil.

And it not only explains the biological basis but, with a little tweaking, it explains the objective basis, too. Human morality can be derived, just like the Pythagorean Theorem or Fermat's Last Theorem can be derived. It's harder to get to than the Pythagorean Theorem, but easier than Fermat's. So the argument about the existence of human morality is really no different than “why is the universe constituted such that 2+2 = 4?“ That is, why is the universe this way and not another? Why is there something and not nothing?

To make things more interesting, there are things about the universe that we currently can't explain, for example, why the mass of an electron is what it is, or why the fine structure constant has the value that it has. Just as there are some "dials" that can be turned to reflect the values of these "free" constants, there are several dials that feed into the description of human morality. If you select long time preference over shorter time preference, minimize intra-species rivalry, and favor life over death, you basically end up with Christian morality, at least as understood by the highly radical St. Paul.

In any case, the atheist can charge the theist with anthropomorphizing the universe; the theist can charge the atheist with rejecting what their brains are telling them (anthropomorphizing is built into our brains -- it has to be for us to be able to communicate with each other) and the argument goes round and round.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab March 24, 2016 12:26 AM  

@45 A machine makes a better cup of coffee however fancy and does it quicker than a human. It's a matter of time before a kiosk will sell better coffee.

Starbucks is awful over-roasted swill.

Blogger The Kurgan March 24, 2016 8:40 AM  

VD, the position I held for about two decades as an agnostic was that you can prove God to about 80% probability, but the last 20% requires revelationary experiences.

So wrf3's comment that arguing about God is a fool's errand is simply the bleating of an unknowingly nihilistic, brainwashed peasant.

Anonymous Quartermaster March 24, 2016 9:12 AM  

@48
Christian Philosopher Norman Geisler doesn't give a probability, but he does say that you can't get to God by Philosophy or natural theology, you simple end up on a circular path. Without the numbers, he agrees with you, and it is certainly possible to show atheistic idiots that they are leaving out a very real possibility simply because of their own prejudices.

Blogger wrf3 March 24, 2016 10:38 AM  

@48: The epithet "unknowingly nihilistic, brainwashed peasant" got a good laugh at Starbuck's this morning from people who actually know me.

You mistakenly conflated "trying to prove the existence/non-existance of God" with "arguing about God." The latter can be amusing, gratifying and, sometimes, even profitable. The former is the "fool's errand." The reason being that, for all of the correct things Vox says about evidence, he neglects to mention that evidence cannot be evaluated outside of some framework. The framework of "there is no God" is able to handle all of the available evidence without contradiction. The framework of "there is a God" is also able to handle all of the evidence without contradiction. And I think same is true for the agnostic framework. Each framework might give different answers to the same evidence, but that's how it works. And without contradiction, the evidence can't make the framework fall.

It's important to show that Christianity is consistent with the evidence, but whether or not an individual believes depends on God's call.

Blogger freddy March 24, 2016 12:42 PM  

"Depends on God call"(ing)...Solid points. Vox doesn't get the whole facts are truely interpreted and understood facts within a person's worldview, paradigm.

Blogger Roger Hill March 25, 2016 6:01 AM  

I would say that the contradictions involved in an atheist worldview are not necessarily in their reasoning concerning evidence and subsequent conclusions, but in what Chesterton called "the manifest mistake of their whole lives". It is found not in a set of philosophical arguments either, but in their daily dealings and outlook towards life itself.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli March 25, 2016 3:54 PM  

Well, I haven't gotten any hatemail yet. Let's give it some time. I'll keep you all posted.

Blogger B.J. March 25, 2016 4:16 PM  

I go with the Bigfoot/Aliens Cellphone-Camera postulate: Since everyone walks around with a camera in their pocket 24/7, if God were real, someone would have taken a cell phone picture or a selfie with him by now.

Blogger Tom Kratman March 26, 2016 1:54 AM  

"Feral" is such a strong term. I prefer to think of myself as simply uncontrollable by any means that still leaves me alive.

Blogger James June 23, 2016 5:22 PM  

Dear Vox:

Don't tell people you're a "Philosopher;" tell people you're a "Stand Up Philosopher."

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