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Thursday, March 31, 2016

The abortion misstep

Trump mishandles a media ambush on abortion:
  • Host Chris Matthews presses Trump on anti-abortion position, repeatedly asking him, “Should abortion be punished? This is not something you can dodge”
    • “Look, people in certain parts of the Republican Party, conservative Republicans, would say, ‘Yes, it should,’” Trump answers
    • “How about you?” Matthews asks
    • “I would say it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem we have to decide on. Are you going to send them to jail?” Trump says
    • “I’m asking you,” Matthews says
    • “I am pro-life,” Trump says
    • “How do you actually ban abortion?” Matthews asks
    • “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places but we have to ban it,” Trump says
  • Matthews then presses Trump on if he believes there should be punishment for abortion if it were illegal
    • “There has to be some form of punishment,” Trump says
    • “For the woman?” Matthews says; “Yeah,” Trump says, nodding
    • Trump says punishment would “have to be determined”
    • “They’ve set the law and frankly the judges, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point and with the loss of Scalia, who was a very strong conservative, this presidential election is going to be very important,” Trump says
    • “When you say what’s the law, nobody knows what the law is going to be. It depends on who gets elected,” Trump says
Obviously, this was "gotcha" journalism on Matthews' part (once he established that he was referring to illegal abortions he knew he could pin Trump between having to either say women should be punished or that women could break the law with impunity), and as we saw last year with the whole Kurds/Quds Hugh Hewitt debacle, Trump is susceptible to badgering. The other problem here is that it isn't clear that Trump truly believes some of the things he's forced to say as a Republican candidate, which leads to exchanges like that recounted above. "Don't overthink it: Trump doesn't understand the pro-life position because he's not pro-life," a Cruz aid tweeted. Here's Politico with a bit of context:
Trump’s policy idea is a departure from most state abortion restrictions, which don’t impose penalties on the women who get abortions. Typically, any penalties are imposed on the physician who does the procedure.

The anti-abortion movement in recent decades has shied away from the perception that it is “punishing” women for getting abortions. Instead, it has focused on penalties for the physicians who provide them, such as imposing medical or legal restrictions on their practice. In some rare situations, women have faced charges associated with abortions they have attempted on their own.
Having realized this had become a PR fiasco, Trump promptly walked back his comments.

This is a statement released just moments ago, in which the billionaire revises his statement, calling the women "victims", and stating it is doctors who should be held legally responsible for performing the illegal act:

If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed - like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions.
That's one of the risks of being outspoken and unafraid. People will lay traps for you, and from time to time, you will step in them. Trump made an initial mistake by hemming and hawing, thereby letting Matthews know that he didn't have an effective position staked out and encouraging him to press on it. Then, he made the mistake of answering the dilemma posed instead of falling back on the trusty old "I've got people for that" evasion.

And finally, he compounded his error by backing down. The correct thing would have been to stand by his correct position in the abstract - women absolutely SHOULD be punished for murdering children  - while providing a practical temporization of it by observing that the primary goal is to save children, and politically, it will be impossible to stop legal abortion in a female-majority democracy if women are punished for having abortions.

In other words, he should have said that while he believes women are responsible for their criminal actions, and ideally should be held responsible for them, in this particular case, the interests of the unborn children should be prioritized and the punishments focused on the abortion providers.

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198 Comments:

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 7:41 AM  

Agree completely. This was a total setup from the beginning to get a quote that the media could take out of context. Of course it had the opposite effect on many because many of us were quite thrilled to hear someone finally say yes the woman would be punished.

This is one of those times when Trump has said something that finally resonated very well with me (not that I participate in the politics of my occupiers of course). I wish he hadn't walked it back.

Anonymous EH March 31, 2016 7:46 AM  

Jim of blog.jim.com is fond of saying that by revealed preference, nobody really wants to hold women responsible for anything. Very few do, but some do. If we don't, then civilization collapses. It's not like they were actually having babies, anyway, so let's revoke the pussy pass.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 31, 2016 7:48 AM  

Steal Bill Clinton's compromise position he articulated in the early 90s, work towards fewer abortions, an easy to generate meme easily repeated in consistent fashion.

To me this looks like opportunity for Trump

Blogger CM March 31, 2016 7:49 AM  

I am staunchly pro-life, with a more nuanced position.

But this isn't an issue worth pursuing right now. Do you think it would have hurt him to push that this issue isn't going to be resolved in a climate where our national identity, economy, and security ate at stake and that comes first?

Its consistent to him, gets him out of an issue i don't think he gives much thought (he may be upset if Ivanka aborted his grand children, but don't think he cares what others do or why) and reframes the argument to his platform.

On the issues that Matthews brought up, certainly abortion is going to happen no matter what. People murder no matter what. I fail to see how that alters the legal state of murder. Theives break laws all the time, too.

We also have different degrees of murder that are contingent on circumstances. We also let doctors make hard choices when all other options have been exhausted.

I fail to see how abortion needs to be treated differently.

Blogger Doom March 31, 2016 7:59 AM  

I'm not even, 100%, on Trumps wagon. And, yet, I don't even bother with these bothers. I consider the source and the intent. Most people are like a school of fish, turning, twisting, shimmering at this or that angle, changing with whim, fear, hope, and emotional manipulation. Vaginas for sure, though most men these days seem to be vaginas without the extra hole. Not my problem, or of interest. If the republic has fallen and only democracy remains, either tyranny of the many or tyranny of the armed remains.

Blogger YIH March 31, 2016 8:05 AM  

In a previous thread I said that Trump was probably ''pro-choice''. Now I have the impression he switched (likely recently) for cynical reasons (i.e. ''I'm a republican, therefore I need to be ''pro-life'') but otherwise gave it no thought.
I think he fumbled and lost here, the issue came up with Ross Perot, he stated his ''pro-choice'' opinion, and left it at that.
That didn't affect him politically, when he stated that he was leading both Bush and Clinton and it didn't affect his polling.
I'm not ''pro-choice'' but I realize the issue is a red herring, even if Roe v. Wade were overturned the effect would be minimal if any at all - the issue would return to State Law and it would be unlikely that any state would outlaw it (or if hadn't revised their laws post - '73, would, to allow the practice).

Blogger Starbuck March 31, 2016 8:07 AM  

I don't get it. Women seek out abortions. Abortionists don't seek out the pregnant woman and convince her to have an abortion. I keep seeing that the aborted child and the woman getting the abortion are the victims. Since WHEN?! A woman seeking an abortion should be charged with murder. She killed her child. The abortionists should be charged with murder. First degree murder too for the both of them.

How on earth do people figure the woman is the victim here?!

Blogger Gaiseric March 31, 2016 8:08 AM  

An interesting case study in how Trump needs to be more prepared to avoid the dishonest tactics of the Left, because he just gave them a bunch of ammunition for their dishonest war on women narrative.

Also an interesting case study in which we see for what, the half dozenth time in the last couple of weeks, Opportunistic Ted attempting to score cheap points against Trump by mocking him for departing from the Establishment-approved reservation of appropriate policy positions to hold? He thus further establishes his ties to the status quo and alienates him from the exact same base that he supposedly is courting.

Major tactical blunders all around.

Blogger Josh March 31, 2016 8:09 AM  

"The woman is a victim"

Uh huh. Nice pandering.

Blogger Patrikbc March 31, 2016 8:10 AM  

It's those kind of mistakes that expose him. Women who successfully obtain an abortion should be charged at the minimum with Accesory to murder, women, and anyone who is helping them seek abortionists should be charged with conspiracy to comitt muder. Abortionists should be charged with 1st degree murder. Any institution that provides abortion service or referrals should be investigated under the Rico act.
People talk about immigration, states rights, etc. but I believe that abortion is the single greatest abomination in Gods eyes.

Blogger tz March 31, 2016 8:12 AM  

Almost, I wish he didn't walk it back. Being really strong on pro-life would have put Ted in a pickle.

Blogger Salt March 31, 2016 8:12 AM  

“There has to be some form of punishment,” Trump says
“For the woman?” Matthews says;


Trump should have replied - "Matthew, does this discussion give you a warm sensation crawling up your leg?"

Blogger Josh March 31, 2016 8:12 AM  

People talk about immigration, states rights, etc. but I believe that abortion is the single greatest abomination in Gods eyes.

Preach.

Look at the number of abortions since Roe...Look at the number of immigrants...

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 8:16 AM  

"Look at the number of abortions since Roe...Look at the number of immigrants..."

but if we weren't killing all these brown babies america would be REALLY BROWN

white genocider!!!!

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 8:17 AM  

"How on earth do people figure the woman is the victim here?!"

because women are children to them.

Blogger Josh March 31, 2016 8:17 AM  

white genocider!!!!

You...monarchist...

Anonymous DDT March 31, 2016 8:18 AM  

One nice thing about what Trump said: he exposed other 'pro-lifers' as full of shit.

To hell with March for Life, and the entire army of "pro-lifers" who screech that women are never to be blamed for their abortions.

Blogger Joshua_D March 31, 2016 8:19 AM  

I'm surprised Trump walked the comment back. I wager that the decision to walk the statement back was made by an adviser, and not Trump, but who knows.

OpenID paworldandtimes March 31, 2016 8:20 AM  

Many people simply don't care about abortion as a policy matter -- fine with it being legal, fine with it being banned -- while being against it in their own life. Trump (and Perot) may have been that way.

Many also see it as a distraction from more existentially pressing things such as immigration. It seems like the abortion debate has been cynically used over the past 40 years of culture wars as a diversion that channels right wing passions from other national-question matters.

Another grim calculus that comes up is the welfare matter, specifically the incentivization of underclass single motherhood with its downstream demographic horror -- if you feed 'em, you need a mechanism for controlling their numbers.

PA

Anonymous Steve March 31, 2016 8:23 AM  

but I believe that abortion is the single greatest abomination in Gods eyes

It is.

It's also a phony wedge issue, cynically used by both sides of the political divide ("war on women!", "Candidate X is a REAL Christian!") to keep the masses shuffling into the voting booths.

Phony, because neither party has any intention of making major changes to the legal status of abortion, and even if a President wanted to he'd have to somehow overcome the Supreme Court, Congress, the states, etc.

Ultimately abortion will only end when the majority of public opinion is convinced it should end.

Trump's better off picking fights he can win.

Blogger Joshua_D March 31, 2016 8:25 AM  

I mean, how hard is it to say, "If abortion is illegal, then the people who participate in the illegal act should be held accountable and punished."?

Blogger Ron March 31, 2016 8:26 AM  

On this one I give him a "FAIL".

Mathews question was a classic shit test that intentionally misdirects the listener. As anyone who studies game knows, the purpose of the shit test is not get a correct answer, it is to TEST the listener for COMPLIANCE with the questioners BULLSHIT.

hence the term "shit test"

In this particular case, Mathews question was utter bullshit. It is irrelevant whether abortion "should be punished or not" because the federal government has no right to decide this matter.

Again, to repeat: abortion is NOT a federal issue. If the State of Wyoming wants to punish women with death by hanging for abortion, that is their constitutional right. If the state of New York wants to give women a 50,000$ prize for every abortion, that is also their right.

The correct answer was "it is irrelevant Chris, because abortion is not the business of the Federal government. You asked me the wrong question, what you should have asked me is what will be my policy regarding Federal support of abortion in States, the answer to which is I want to leave the States alone to pursue their policy as they see it in their best interests: ie I DO NOT CARE."

Anonymous Cinco March 31, 2016 8:32 AM  

One nice thing about what Trump said: he exposed other 'pro-lifers' as full of shit.

Nailed it. I found the response from the pro-lifers to be wretch worthy. In one response they have outed themselves as nothing more than non-profit managers.

Disgusting.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 31, 2016 8:33 AM  

I want to leave the States alone to pursue their policy as they see it...

That would only lead to the headline "Trump Supports States Rights (Which Caused Civil War - And Totally Caused Slavery)..."

Blogger CM March 31, 2016 8:33 AM  

Trump's better off picking fights he can win.

Agree with this. Abortion is a galvanizing position with very little a president can do about it. Why lose votes on an issue you can't change?

the federal government has no right to decide this matter.

Yes. This is a brilliant tactic. Get the pro-choice, big government candidate to come out as small-government vs pro-life.

Anonymous Cinco March 31, 2016 8:35 AM  

I mean, how hard is it to say, "If abortion is illegal, then the people who participate in the illegal act should be held accountable and punished."?

Exactly, and then follow up with, "it's that attitude and total disregard for the written law that allowed the wall streeters who committed fraud and money laundering to never see the inside of a jail cell. We don't have protected classes in our society, or rather; we won't have protected classes in our society when I am president. Good Day Sir!"

Anonymous Crusader Corim March 31, 2016 8:38 AM  

This perfectly illustrates the solipsism and idiocy of the "feminist right".

Only men are responsible for what women do. If a woman tries to murder her baby, she's a victim of some evil man somewhere and should get off scot-free.

Blogger dienw March 31, 2016 8:39 AM  

The women who are pro-Death are being, for the most part, quietly but publicly punished: they are not marriageable; abortion is the cornerstone of their lifestyle and economy; they have sacrificed a child for the foundation of their lifestyle: they are cursed (this sacrifice is a type: see the story of Jericho and the curse placed on anyone who would rebuild it upon the sacrifice of his children); pro-death women can not be trusted with the life of anyone who is in an intimate - or non - relation with them; men who reason it out understand that their lives potentially would be in jeopardy; especially, if the marriage happens to last into the man's old age; the high divorce rate is the most public aspect of this willingness to sacrifice another person with whom they are in an intimate relationship.

Blogger Student in Blue March 31, 2016 8:44 AM  

@22. Ron
hence the term "shit test"

This situation might have similarities with a shit test but it is not synonymous. I'm trying to imagine what agreeing and amplifying this ambush question would look like, and can't come up with anything that wouldn't be just as much as a misstep as Trump did.

Anonymous EH March 31, 2016 8:44 AM  

Possible non-punishments: abortions are required to be a matter of public record, mandatory sterilization on the 2nd abortion.

It would be nice if we could at least selectively prohibit, burden or stigmatize abortions of higher-quality babies. Unless underclass abortions are allowed, though, that segment of the population will explode.

Blogger CM March 31, 2016 8:46 AM  

This perfectly illustrates the solipsism and idiocy of the "feminist right".

See, while I am not opposed to viewing some abortionettes as victims (the way you may consider american blacks victims of the democrat party), unless the man is driving her there and forcing her to get the abortion, it's actually WOMEN who are responsible for this behavior.

It's that evil, abhorrent, medea-like mentality that bearing children makes you chattel of men. And that view was never pushed by male philosophers. Its been pushed by feminists, both current and ancient.

The War on Women is a war fought between women, not men... and its the feminists that are the aggressors.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 8:59 AM  

""If abortion is illegal, then the people who participate in the illegal act should be held accountable and punished."?"

child pornography is illegal.

Do you punish the children who participate?

I am not saying women who get abortions are child victims. But this illustrates my point about society still viewing women as children.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 31, 2016 8:59 AM  

If you consider anyone's first answer as close to their gut-felt position (projection in reverse); I like his instincts.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 9:02 AM  

Look guys the fact is the left has dominated the abortion narative by framing it in such a way that the woman is the victim of horrible unfair circumstances and she is forced to make this horrible choice.

Thus.. she is the victim and is sympathetic.

That narrative is destroyed and replaced with something closer to the truth. Which is the vast majority abortions are performed on repeat offenders.. who use abortion as birth control over and over with so much as a second thought.

Once that poor kind innocent woman forced to make a hard choice meme is destroyed this fight will be won.

Anonymous DDT March 31, 2016 9:07 AM  

I agree he could have handled both the interaction and the followup better. But people who are saying Trump should have handled this with evasive talking points that masked his true views on the matter and basically responded with a non-answer, seem off.

That's what Jeb!, Rubio and (increasingly) Ted Cruz do. What appeals to me about Trump is his willingness to take positions on issues in a bold manner, talking like a human being. Obviously that doesn't mean he should just say whatever pops into his head at any time, or even blurting out pointless political suicide. But there's a point at which all the talk about strategy and policy ends up with just the latest iteration of Jeb.

I don't want a candidate who forever plays it safe. I want one who takes risk, and fights. That inevitably means fuckups, and my part of that equation is to stand by the guy even when he fucks up.

There's no clear-cut formula for this, but wishing for the savvy, evasive reply just doesn't seem correct.

Blogger KJ March 31, 2016 9:08 AM  

The telling point for me was the news channel that I saw celebrating their gotcha of Trump then talking to "transgendered" about their invisibility and how they should be able to use whatever bathrooms and locker rooms they wanted.
Nothing but softball "aw you poor little puppy" questions.

So personally whichever candidate announces permits for press bastards will probably get my support.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 31, 2016 9:08 AM  

The MSM couldn't nail Trump with the racist or fascist cards, but "sexist" really seems to be sticking. The Heidi Cruz photos, the Michelle Fields incident, and now this abortion fiasco have given the MSM tons of ammo.

I don't know if these latest polls that show Trump is losing the women vote are accurate or not, but the MSM is certainly having a field day.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 31, 2016 9:12 AM  

Nate steal Bill Clinton's line change the narrative

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 31, 2016 9:15 AM  

It might be time for Trump to bring out the big gun.

Caitlyn Jenner.

Anonymous Cadwallander J March 31, 2016 9:18 AM  

Unfortunately, this question has been rendered irrelevant by big pharma. It's already become increasingly difficult to find doctors willing to kill as their primary revenue stream, but the baby murder industry has rolled on with German-like industrial killing efficiency. Now a woman can just pop a few pills and flush the baby conveniently in her own bathroom, a few hemorrhagic bleed-outs notwithstanding, deep into the 1st trimester. Tracking those abortions and making them illegal will be about as effective as the war on drugs.

Trump should have given the states-rights answer and dodged the question entirely. There will be no victory for pro-lifers at the ballot box.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 9:22 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Nate steal Bill Clinton's line change the narrative

it does. it just doesn't change it enough and doesn't change it in the right way.

Its the kind of political move you can make as a democrat or a sitting republican... but not in the primary.

Blogger YIH March 31, 2016 9:22 AM  

Nate:
child pornography is illegal.

Do you punish the children who participate?

Good point, in states are having to grapple with that issue, the child in the porn is an innocent victim, but what about when that child is also the producer of the child porn? IOW, 14 year old girl snaps a naked selfie in the bathroom.
BTW, another good reason why kids should have nothing more than a cameraless 'burner phone' if any at all.
So far, most prosecutors have nailed the guy who received the selfie and ignored the girl.
Myself, I realize that in a metaphysical sense, women do get punished for aborting not unlike the way they get punished for coalburning although they're more likely to survive an abortion.
A woman that was 20 in '73 (and in many states, such as NY, even earlier) is now 63 and those children and grandchildren never happened, and the cats don't quite make up for that.

Anonymous Steve March 31, 2016 9:24 AM  

It might be time for Trump to bring out the big gun.

Caitlyn Jenner.


LOL.

but "sexist" really seems to be sticking.

I wouldn't worry about it.

This has little or no bearing on Trump's short term goal of securing the nomination.

It's the media warming up their WAR ON WIMMINS!!! narrative for the general election.

Which is what they'd be doing anyway, whether it's Trump, Cruz, Jeb!, Carson or Foamy Goodness.

Trump is less fragile to it than most, because of his ZFG alpha maleitude.

The sort of fugly legbeards who fall for this line weren't going to vote Republican anyway.

Blogger David-093 March 31, 2016 9:25 AM  

How unsurprising is it that the conservatives took this opportunity to attack Trump? He takes a hardline stance on abortion and what do they do? Shriek at him about "THE WOMAN IS THE VICTIM!" Naturally he walked it back (though he may believe it) because the pro-life conservatives proved they don't really care about ending abortion, they care about virtue-signaling and, of course, attacking Trump.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 31, 2016 9:30 AM  

If a hypothetical law outlawed providing but not obtaining or soliciting abortions, women would not be subject to prosecution for murdering their babies.

That would mean that at the first twinge of conscience, the woman could turn in the abortion provider. Experience would soon show that providing abortions would be unacceptably risky for doctors.

If both the obtainer and the provider were guilty of a crime, women would be unlikely to turn in abortion providers, and it be remain an acceptable risk for some providers.

Therefore, while we might want to hold both criminally liable, effectively outlawing abortion might require letting women off the hook.

So, maybe Trump's position now should be ``If it were illegal to obtain an abortion, we would have to enforce that law, but the best way to protect babies is not to put women in jail...''

Blogger MC227 March 31, 2016 9:32 AM  

Pro life here but you have to look at since 1973 when Roe vs. Wade was decided violent crime has gone precipitously down since blacks have comprised about 70% of all abortions in the US. What was Trump thinking answering any question from Chrissy the Sissy? Everyone knows Republicans are going to get these abortion questions from flaming liberals hoping they will get an answer like the one Trump gave. Not good.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 31, 2016 9:32 AM  

Nate wrote:

I am not saying women who get abortions are child victims. But this illustrates my point about society still viewing women as children.


Which is fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Anonymous FisherOfMen March 31, 2016 9:32 AM  

>>child pornography is illegal.
>>Do you punish the children who participate?

Murder is illegal.
Do you punish the murder victim who participates?

So yeah... we're not going to punish the aborted fetus. But Trump should have stuck to "if something's illegal, yes there will be punishment for everyone who engages in the illegal act, otherwise why have the law?"

We punish tax avoiders, and they cause a heck of a lot less loss of life than the people involved in a single abortion.

Blogger Chrom March 31, 2016 9:33 AM  

The National Organization of Whales won't put up with this nonsense! They're going to do something about it! Like have a bake sale! Yes, a bake sale, sponsored by, mmm, Krispy Kreme, mmm, doughnuts. Wait, what are we talking about?

Anonymous A Visitor March 31, 2016 9:36 AM  

"The correct thing would have been to stand by his correct position in the abstract - women absolutely SHOULD be punished for murdering children  - while providing a practical temporization of it by observing that the primary goal is to save children, and politically, it will be impossible to stop legal abortion in a female-majority democracy if women are punished for having abortions."

Agreed 110%

Murder is murder. I'm pro-life and I do think women who participate in abortions should be punished. I echo @1 Nate and wish he wouldn't have walked it back.

I'm surprised the resident feminist in the family hasn't complained...yet.

@4 Right. People murder all the time. At least, if what he proposed had happened, they'd be held to account. I'm sick of the damned pedestalization of women and I'm not even 30.

@7 It's because they feel women were coerced into it or it's the only option they have. I HATE the rape and incest exception. Personally knowing people who were conceived in both, I can assure you they're happier alive than dead.

@10 On a practical level, moral aside, it is the reason we keep hearing we need MOAR immigration. Think about it. If the 50 million that were aborted were with us today, what need would we have for immigration?

@12 I would've LOLed at that.

@19 Push welfare back to the state level.

@25 The idea is maybe said candidate would appoint a few justices to SCOTUS should a red day letter ever occur that would overturn Roe v. Wade. Having said that, practically speaking, yes they have little power.

@28 I'd never marry a woman who had an abortion. Period. Hell, I'd never even date her.

@49 The one thing that does bring a smile to my face is that over the past 40 years the pro abortion crowd has killed itself off. The pro-choice crowd may or may not be doing the same.

Anonymous Orville March 31, 2016 9:36 AM  

First big mistake of the campaign. He'll learn and adapt.

Blogger Elocutioner March 31, 2016 9:39 AM  

"Don't overthink it: Trump doesn't understand the pro-life position because he's not pro-life,"

I've followed politics avidly for over 15 years and am pro-life and outlawing abortion has been so far from a reality that I don't recall the legal results being discussed anywhere ever. So I guess I'm not a REAL pro-lifer either then. More disqualification. Tell me again how these MCWs (Muh Constitution Warriors) aren't just like SJWs...

The TrueCon cucks were howling like baboons over a perfectly reasonable answer because they smelled the blood of their enemy. If Cruz had said it I'm sure it would have been a perfectly reasonable position. Oh, wait, he's been properly coached to recite the correct answers...

Anonymous Golden Flowers March 31, 2016 9:39 AM  

Trump just died with that gaff.

Good riddance to bad rubbish

OpenID malcolmthecynic March 31, 2016 9:41 AM  

@15

Dingdingdingdingding

Blogger Joshua_D March 31, 2016 9:42 AM  

I agree with you Nate, that many people see women, either consciously or subconsciously as children and thus not accountable, but we need a good rhetorical shiv to counter with. I like Tonto's suggestion.

If women aren't accountable for their actions, then they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Blogger Anchorman March 31, 2016 9:42 AM  

This was a total setup from the beginning to get a quote that the media could take out of context.

Trump plays the media well, but he gets lazy.

He needs someone drilling him between appearances, asking trap questions and getting him to respond better.

I'm reminded of Cruz in an earlier debate, when he called out the moderator, "Mr. Trump, are you a comic book villain? Mr. Carson, can you do math?"

Trump usually handles it better, but he has to commit to never answering the question asked, but re-framing the question into one he will answer.

"Do you think there should be punishments for women who had abortions?"

"I think a better question is, how do we deal with women in a post-abortion America? Here's my answer..."

If the media tries to reset the trap, he can say he answered the question and that there are other issue to discuss.

Blogger Anchorman March 31, 2016 9:44 AM  

The Cruz reference is how Cruz rejected the question and added his own. Of course, he did it to emphasize how the media frames leading questions.

Blogger professorastro March 31, 2016 9:45 AM  

If women aren't culpable for infanticide, for what crime are they culpable? Someone without culpability should not be in any position to lead or make choices about society. Thus, back to the kitchens and bordellos ladies!

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados March 31, 2016 9:49 AM  

I don't think anybody remember that nobody won the 2014 elections running on politically correct issues, which is what abortion is. I don't think this is as big of a deal as people are making it out to be, and given how bad things are, I don't think this is going to be "damaging" like everybody expects. Quite frankly, I think there's a lot of people that want something done about abortion, but because of how PC everything is, has been afraid to say anything, this might lead more people to talk about the subject down the line.

I don't think this is a negative, everybody realizes the media is corrupt and bought off. I don't see how this is going to derail him when nothing else has since he started running.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 9:49 AM  

"If women aren't accountable for their actions, then they shouldn't be allowed to vote."

correct. and in reality this is the way things were in the pre suffrage era. Women were extremely privileged. businesses were expected to be charitable to them in tough situations for example.. and there are still tons of left over legal precedents and practices left over from the time.

Its the primary argument women who were against the suffragettes made. Trading all that privilege for a mere vote was dumb.

But right now we're in-between. Women get tons of say in everything... but still bear less responsibility and accountability. They are having their cake and eating it too... while ranting about male privilege of all things.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 31, 2016 9:50 AM  

Clinton's position is a strategic game changer, it drives straight thru between the opposing sides of the charade and occupies the strategic strong point. It is a thunder run thru Baghdad shooting fools with pop guns standing in the way

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 31, 2016 9:50 AM  

@43 Steve

I like your confidence. Women may not admit it to the pollsters, but they certainly do love the Alpha.

Anonymous SaltyDonnie March 31, 2016 9:51 AM  

Trump's not wrong in his initial statement, but he stepped on a mine (or pulled a pin on a grenade) on a majorly touchy social issue he normally stayed away from. In this society, the right to an abortion is the pinnacle of feminine/feminist power - the ability to murder your child (over a father's objection) for practically any reason under the sun (and not just medical rationales).

So Trump's basic, poorly vocalized thought is: if you are going to make abortion illegal (which conservatives apparently support), then you have to punish people that obtain them (shudder!). So, that means the doctor performing the abortion, the woman obtaining it, and anyone paying for it (aiding & abetting). That's just logical, rational common sense procedure for law enforcement. See Pennsylvania's Crimes Against the Unborn Act, that punishes ANYONE ELSE for doing what the mother does (like a punch to the womb from a guy on the street), but exempts the mother and a doctor for the same action. So if you "ban abortions" but have no enforcement mechanism, then the ban is one in name only, and might as well not exist.

This reminds me of illegal immigration. We used to punish the illegal immigrant, then we decided to really only punish the businesses that hire them, and now we don't punish either and we have ever-increasing illegal immigration, all in violation of existing law. So, obviously here comes the push to eliminate the law.

OpenID denektenorsk March 31, 2016 9:54 AM  

The biggest mistake here is to virtue signal and claim that women are the victims. He could simply say his personal beliefs have evolved into pro-life and he has no plans to change the law. You only force a wedge issue if you think you get a bigger slice of the pie out of it. Political tactics 101. Yuuuge misstep, he has now efficiently alienated both sides of the debate.

The only thing 99.99% of these women can be a victim of is their own bad judgement. It's not like they are being jumped in the streets and are having their unborn babies ripped out by roving bands of abortionists. If he didn't put a ring on it then, take some god damned personal responsibility. But, hey Equal+ right?

I am coming to the conclusion that behind all of the shrieking there is a deep insecurity. It's why we are inudated with messages about "gurl power" or "lady balls" or inane shit like that. Why the ball envy darling? Everyone already says you are equuuaaaallll, and if you truly believe it there is no need to keep hammering the point.

I would offer this argument up. If we ignore your own personal religious ethics and we believe that there is a genetic component to 'left' and 'right' politics then these people are self practicing eugenics. The problem (aside from being outbred by immigrants) is what exactly? The next generation will be that of the right as they are the ones having kids. Let the crazy progressives have their fur babies... they are removing themselves from the gene/voting pool in the long run. Not a problem from where I'm sitting.

Additionally if a lady wants to have unprotected sex there are consequences to that. Mistakes happen but you own them. If they don't want to get married then I personally don't want them having kids. Despite the "single moms are cool" rheotoric, the research is clear - kids in single parent households are at a disadvantage to kids brought up both parents. I'd rather not have another generation of delequent criminals raised by the husband state.

Blogger Jourdan March 31, 2016 10:13 AM  

If you're dumb enough to go on MSNBC with a New England masshole like Matthews, you're pretty much asking for it.

Anonymous drnick March 31, 2016 10:18 AM  

I'm the first guy to expound on the concept of the Trumpian grand strategy for the election, and I'm still surprised Trump walked into this one. Abortion has been a major issue since before the 80's and he has to know to treat it with sensitivity. He didn't handle this issue as well as Cruz, but then Cruz isn't trusted outside heavily conservative circles so who cares?

At any rate, I'm hardly surprised the pro-life movement ran away from the very notion of abortion actually being murder. I am surprised that they think abortion will be taken seriously for the next four years at the least. Why do conservatives have such WORTHLESS allies, anyways?

Blogger Gaiseric March 31, 2016 10:18 AM  

@63. If that logic were correct, it should have had a noticeable effect on the population of rabbits in America over a generation or two. It clearly hasn't.

And if you look around, you probably know exactly why. How many conservative parents do you know who's kids turned out to the Bernie supporters? What's happened to the population of blacks in America over the last 50 years with regards to single motherhood and crime? Heck, even the abortion Holocaust among their ranks hasn't stopped that decline.

There isn't any self-practicing eugenics going on, in spite of the theory. Quite the opposite is occurring in reality.

Blogger Avraham March 31, 2016 10:19 AM  

I think the media does not like Trump very much.

Blogger YIH March 31, 2016 10:21 AM  

Professorasto:
If women aren't culpable for infanticide, for what crime are they culpable? Someone without culpability should not be in any position to lead or make choices about society. Thus, back to the kitchens and bordellos ladies!
There are many on the so-called 'right' that don't think women are actually culpable of (non-abortion) murder.
I remember years ago a woman was on Death Row in Texas, all the appeals were done and the date was set (snuffed her husband and kid IIRC) she had a 'jailhouse conversion' and started getting visits by big time ministers such as Falwell and Pat Robertson. Soon they were doing live hookups from the prison and begging the Governor for clemency. Didn't work.

Anonymous David James March 31, 2016 10:25 AM  

Donald Trump should have stuck to his original position. There was nothing wrong with it.

We live in a corrupt, rotten culture when we are too afraid to declare that women should be held to high moral standards, and be punished when they fail to do so. The men of this country are by and large utterly disgraceful for cowering before women. No wonder the Muslims despise us.

Women need to understand that regardless what Trump says, they will be punished anyway for aborting their children. Abortion is murder, and unless they repent of their mortal sin, they will face eternal punishment in the fires of hell.

Blogger Nick S March 31, 2016 10:26 AM  

One suggested response:

Every choice has a consequence. How certain consequences might be meted out is for the legislative and judicial branches to decide, but I would not veto any bill crossing my desk that saved the lives of innocent children, Chris.

Anonymous Gordian March 31, 2016 10:26 AM  

If women aren't morally responsible for abortions, then drunk drivers aren't morally responsible for DUI deaths. Actions under constraint and actions under the influence of alcohol are ethically the same, see Aristotle. Trump just accidentally demonstrated that the Pro-Life movement are a pack of sentimentalist frauds.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 10:26 AM  

"If you're dumb enough to go on MSNBC with a New England masshole like Matthews, you're pretty much asking for it."

there is some truth to this. for all the complaining about how Fox handled the debates and the unfairness of Megyn Kelly... Trump got a taste of what depths the media slime can actually go to.

there is a big difference between a hard question... and a bullshit context trap designed to screw you.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 10:28 AM  

"Trump just accidentally demonstrated that the Pro-Life movement are a pack of sentimentalist frauds."

hardly.

Most in the pro-life movement don't have a problem with punishing both women and doctors who do it. its only the fainting talking heads that get squishy.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 31, 2016 10:28 AM  

Abortion is a non-issue in that it is legal forevermore.

Chris Matthew operates on that Beltway credibility free freebie card - he errored in gotacha, ambush media. Chris Matthews is another boomer whose boomer humor trash isn't flying.

Women are felled and judged in many ways, let the cancer overtake them for their sins, don't be deceived - boomers will be felled for their idiocy, murder and rape. Financial rape against the poor, oppressed and sick. Post America is soaked in blood, killing off Gen X in asshole neocon wars, abortions, Mil"Len's are too stupid to understand as they have zero historical perspective.

This all leads back to the original problem: women should not vote as they remain too emo or emotional or too stupid to vote. You women will be judged, you men who backed down from the retarded women will be judged, repent now, then again half of you are already dead.

Women are the problem, forget fallen humanity and all that nullsense, you killed off the very generation you want to drain, suck and financially rape. It ain't flyin' and it won't work - now or ever. You have 2 feet in the grave. Spare me your sobby rape stories as I'm financially raped everyday of every year since 2005.

Trump is innocent of any wrong doing regarding the hoax that is Michelle Fields, Chris Matthews like Romney boomer like Kasich SerbTrash was paid for their utterly stupid speeches -

OutofTouchBeltwayTrashChris mAtthews pulled this stunt to get the focus from pressing charges against the iMichelleLied topic.

Mere media diversion.

OpenID paworldandtimes March 31, 2016 10:29 AM  

Trump has had off-moments from which he recovered well. Example: he was "for" Merkel's refugee invasion until he learned more about it the next day and revised his statement. It shows he can change his mind on subjects he was previously per his admission underinformed on.

There is a limit to the extent that a gotcha will set a candidate back now, if the candidate is running on candor like Trump or Sanders. Politics is phasing into running on identity, not abstract moral issues or stage-polish.

PA

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 31, 2016 10:30 AM  

No worries, let the sickness over take the doctors too, its all a done and over non-issue.

Who listens or watches to LiarChrisMatthews?!

Anonymous Gordian March 31, 2016 10:32 AM  

@73 The leadership is the movement. Haven't we learned this with the cuckservatives?

Anonymous BGKB March 31, 2016 10:32 AM  

Total setup looking for a editable sound bite. The only problem is if women are going to face consequences except in cases of gang rapes by extra terrestrials, there will be a lot of ET sightings. The original Roe v Wade woman was a hoax who admitted to it decades later.

over the past 40 years the pro abortion crowd has killed itself off.

That's why the left is importing the 3rf world to vote for more free stuff.

If women aren't accountable for their actions, then they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Change women to "anyone not accountable" and you would have a tread winner.
One nice thing about what Trump said: he exposed other 'pro-lifers' as full of shit.

perhaps his ability to expose cucks has a drawback.

Possible non-punishments: abortions are required to be a matter of public record,

women get a note for work saying they had a miscarriage with all the sympathy and time off that goes with it. I suspect people finding out about abortions was one of the drivers of the HIPAA law, as under the privacy act men managed to find out about it.

Blogger CM March 31, 2016 10:38 AM  

The only problem is if women are going to face consequences except in cases of gang rapes by extra terrestrials, there will be a lot of ET sightings.

Except the argument against limiting abortion to rape victims is that rape victims may seek an abortion without reporting the crime...

Because the claim would have to be investigated... and the investigation is like being raped all over again...

Because our law system actually cares about presuming innocence...

Blogger Sheila4g March 31, 2016 10:38 AM  

I'm pro-life with exceptions (yes, I realize that's not morally consistent), but since my primary issue is immigration, Trump's position on this isn't going to affect my vote. It may well effect some women, but then I regard most other women as idiot airheads.

A former friend had 2 (or was it 3?) abortions with her then boyfriend; after they married she required fertility treatments to get pregnant with their sole child. Since she became a follower of the Abomination, I suppose she's an excellent illustration of the lefties working to make themselves extinct.

Blogger Sam Lively March 31, 2016 10:39 AM  

I had no problem with this. Strolling into gotchas is the Trump way. Even if they sting him a bit, taking them and surviving has enormous value for weakening the media. Pour encourager les autres doesn't work if you don't get the kill.

The only problem was letting his advisors walk it back and even then it's not so bad because there was no groveling.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 31, 2016 10:40 AM  

Who watches Chris Matthews, anyway? People who are on the fence politically? Don't think so.

Anonymous BGKB March 31, 2016 10:41 AM  

How many conservative parents do you know who's kids turned out to the Bernie supporters?

They didn't counter the 8hrs a day of liberal teachers 5 days a week and the messages on TV, because they worked long hours so their taxes would pay for Latrina's 21 illegitimate crack babies?

Blogger Jon M March 31, 2016 10:47 AM  

"Abortion is a non-issue in that it is legal forevermore."

Loser talk. This nation will one day look at our history of abortion policy the same way we look at our history of slavery. We just need to rediscover our moral foundations.

OpenID paworldandtimes March 31, 2016 10:50 AM  

They didn't counter [...] the messages on TV

Parents REALLY have to get rid of that teevee. It's not difficult. And it is the only right wing act that gets you polite-company status points, if that's a motivator.

because they worked long hours so their taxes would pay for Latrina's 21 illegitimate crack babies?

Now it's more like Latrina's 1.3 crack babies and 19.7 abortions (rimshot)

Blogger Timmy3 March 31, 2016 10:51 AM  

This is not a gotcha question. It isn't so hard to answer if he had any familiarity with abortion policy. Trump often answers questions well, but this is a big miss. If he was conservative, he would know instinctively how to answer, but he is running as a Nationalist and a Populist while giving lip service to the conservative positions. He was a liberal by any other definition. So what we're getting is a man who doesn't know much but push buttons. He does push buttons well.

Blogger YIH March 31, 2016 10:52 AM  

Interesting history lesson:
Pre Roe in those states where abortion was illegal, the Law typically treated the woman as (in legal terms) the victim of the abortionist. The times (the last being in Texas in 1922) where the woman was considered the accomplice were almost unheard of.
The debate is going on in Florida right now, abortion restrictions are being debated in the Legislature.
It may make it to the full Legislature, might even pass (majority GOP) buuuuttttt
Gov. Scott could well veto it and it wouldn't even surprise me because of three potential Super Bowl cities - such as his hometown, Miami.
Even if he does sign it, the State Supreme Court will shoot it down. Because there is a 'right to privacy' in the Florida Constitution, and they've consistently ruled when restrictions have been put in place in the past the it covers that subject.
Like I said, red herring.

OpenID paworldandtimes March 31, 2016 10:55 AM  

he is running as a Nationalist and a Populist while giving lip service to the conservative positions.

My kinda guy.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab March 31, 2016 11:00 AM  

Trump should have stuck to his guns. Said, "We need to determine what the consequences are but yes if the mother is a competent adult then she has to be responsible as well."

He could then say whatever consequences are for the woman should be determined by the states. He wins states' rights and remains consistent.

Blogger Rabbi B March 31, 2016 11:10 AM  

A nation is often judged on how it treats the weakest and most defenseless in a society. Israel certainly was. How many times do we read about G-d's concern for the fatherless and the widow?

As the nation of Israel was on the verge of going into exile for various and sundry sins, it was their refusal to set their slaves free during the year of release which was the proverbial straw that sealed their fate (cf. Jeremiah 34).

At least a slave is given the basic necessities to keep him alive and useful. I shudder to think what must be in store for a nation which has murdered the voiceless and most defenseless in our society to the tune of 50 million and counting.

Blogger Salt March 31, 2016 11:10 AM  

People are so sick of the elite establishment I'm not sure they give a damn about any missteps Trump might make.

Anonymous Philalethes March 31, 2016 11:15 AM  

Rep. Maxine Waters of California announced defiantly to the multitudes at the April 25, 2004 pro-abortion rally in Washington (newspeakily named the "March for Women’s Lives" – presumably not including the lives of millions of aborted girl babies), "I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion." We can only sympathize with her regret that she was not aborted.

Blogger Elocutioner March 31, 2016 11:18 AM  

"If he was conservative, he would know instinctively how to answer, "

I think that was a damn conservative answer. I mean, it is if you're not a cuck who just gives lip service to trendy conservative policy preferences and instead use logic to follow through on things like personal responsibility and murder being a mortal sin. "Oh, you committed infanticide? Okay, which gender are you? Ah, not your fault."

Anonymous Philalethes March 31, 2016 11:22 AM  

This was definitely a no-win landmine for Trump. Perhaps he could have just quoted John Adams:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Then said "Next question?"

Would be interesting to hear the response to this position.

Anonymous VFM #7916 March 31, 2016 11:26 AM  

Rule X: Don't talk about sex. This has always been the reliable social club to beat rightists with.

Blogger Marie March 31, 2016 11:30 AM  

There were practical reasons women weren't prosecuted for abortion. Going after the abortion providers was a much better use of resources. It also had the nice side benefit of not coming with the risk of being painted a woman-hating ogre.

The punishment for women came socially from other women. This is now deemed "slut-shaming." The problem is the number of sluts vs. decent women has flipped.

People actually believe women are victims of abortion?
These days?
With women screaming at men that they have NO RIGHTS when it comes to fathers trying to protect their own children?
Those sweet, delicate, little wallflowers are victims?

Anonymous Philalethes March 31, 2016 11:32 AM  

I am sorry to see even commenters here falling for the "pro-life" vs. "pro-choice" battle of euphemisms, which really only serves the aims of the Evil One. If we cannot be clear on what we're talking about, we cannot arrive at a clear understanding.

The issue is abortion; one is either pro- or anti- that action. I am anti-abortion. As a libertarian (but not Libertarian) I am also absolutely pro-choice.

Claiming to be "pro-life" is already ceding the playing field to the pro-abortionists, who cannot afford to be honest about what it is they promote.

It is also, btw, quite ironic to see "conservatives" who claim to be "pro-life" enthusiastically supporting mass slaughter by the US in various foreign lands. Not exactly a consistent position.

Anonymous fp March 31, 2016 11:34 AM  

Trump cowered before that goofy fat crapload Chris Matthews and ended up looking like a douche.

If he'd stuck to his guns we would have been treated to a glorious slobbering hyperventilating red-faced Chris Matthews meltdown.

Yuuuge missed opportunity.

Anonymous smedley butler March 31, 2016 11:36 AM  

Trump has proved useful, once again, in showing the fraud that is the DC conservative movement, this time with the "pro-lifers."

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 11:37 AM  

"How many conservative parents do you know who's kids turned out to the Bernie supporters?"

none. but then again I live in Alabama. I've never actually seen a bernie supporter in the wild.

Blogger Anchorman March 31, 2016 11:38 AM  

The reason they didn't go after women for the abortions (when illegal) is because the woman could easily claim, with perhaps justification, that she was coerced into getting one.

Anonymous smedley butler March 31, 2016 11:40 AM  

"If he was conservative, he would know instinctively how to answer, "

The fraud is that "conservatives" have learned their own PC answers to remain respectable with the narrative. Trump's initial response sums up a common sense conservative answer. If there is a law prohibiting something, there needs to be some sort of punishment against those who commit intentional criminal acts.

Blogger Starbuck March 31, 2016 11:42 AM  

none. but then again I live in Alabama. I've never actually seen a bernie supporter in the wild.

Well, I live in Colorado and I did see a few in the woods. I shot at a couple of them. Don't know if I hit any of them. I didn't go look. Not worth the effort.

Blogger Marie March 31, 2016 11:46 AM  

"If he was conservative, he would know instinctively how to answer, "

He did know instinctively how to answer.

He just backed off because it'll be a costly hill to win.

Blogger Escoffier March 31, 2016 11:47 AM  

I don't want a candidate who forever plays it safe. I want one who takes risk, and fights. That inevitably means fuckups, and my part of that equation is to stand by the guy even when he fucks up.

There's no clear-cut formula for this, but wishing for the savvy, evasive reply just doesn't seem correct.


This!

Whatever disagreements I have with guy he comes across as a decent human being. That ain't nothing.

Also? Aces absolute loathing of him is starting to make my skin crawl.

Blogger Sevron March 31, 2016 11:49 AM  

I used to be kind of wishy washy on abortion. It seemed bad, but these women are in a tough place, yada yada. Certainly I would never support it in my life, but I'm not in charge of other people's lives.

Then I had my daughter. I could hear her heart beating and watch her move in my wife when there were still months left that my wife could, entirely without my consent, have her aborted. And it all just kind of clicked for me. Of course it's murder. Even calling it "abortion" is just giving into the Left's frame.

A lot of issues don't matter to people until it becomes personal. That's not an excuse for my own lack of moral standing, I repent it bitterly. I wonder if that's just another strategy on the Left, conscious or no; delay marriage and birth as long as possible, so that more people remain compliant/uncaring on this issue.

Blogger CM March 31, 2016 11:52 AM  

He did know instinctively how to answer.

The more I read Twitchy, the less I consider this a misstep.

He may not spend time w conservatives and not know the "right" answers, but that is to his benefit. His response was far more logically consistent than any of the offers from the blathering idiots.

Blogger John Wright March 31, 2016 11:55 AM  

"People talk about immigration, states rights, etc. but I believe that abortion is the single greatest abomination in Gods eyes."

Amen. We are like the Aztecs. Except we sacrifice more innocent human beings than they ever did.

And God should send the Spaniards to destroy us, as before.

Anonymous Andrew E. March 31, 2016 11:58 AM  

He did know instinctively how to answer.

He just backed off because it'll be a costly hill to win.


Thank you. The man is trying to save the country. The globalists are inches away from final victory. To risk dying on the hill of a hypothetical that will not come up during his eight years is stupid. Trump is pro-life. He will appoint conservative Justices to SCOTUS. Let's move on.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 11:59 AM  

"I didn't go look. Not worth the effort."

Buzzards gotta eat... same as worms.

Blogger John Wright March 31, 2016 12:01 PM  

"Again, to repeat: abortion is NOT a federal issue."

God bless you, Ron. I am glad to know that there is at least one other person in America, aside from me, who has actually read the US Constitution.

The President has no say about abortion in any case.

He cannot overrule the unconstitional and legally nonsensical ruling of Roe v Wade. Only an amendment to the Constitution can do that, or a later Supreme Court.

The whole issue is brought up in Presidential elections only as a cloud of squid ink.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 12:05 PM  

"God bless you, Ron. I am glad to know that there is at least one other person in America, aside from me, who has actually read the US Constitution."

the fascinating thing is... not only is it not a federal issue at all... but they decided to invent a right of privacy.. and then raise it over the right of life itself.

in a logical world that would mean I would have the right to shoot someone in the face for telling others that I cheated on wife.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 12:07 PM  

"The whole issue is brought up in Presidential elections only as a cloud of squid ink."

given presidential powers as they related to SCOTUS appointees... the subject has a place so long as the power is wrongly in federal hands.

OpenID denektenorsk March 31, 2016 12:34 PM  

@63. If that logic were correct, it should have had a noticeable effect on the population of rabbits in America over a generation or two. It clearly hasn't.

Agreed... somewhat. My take on that is there is definitely an education/indoctrination component to it too. I'm of the school of thought that nurture can either amplify or diminish nature, but it cannot completely eliminate it. Hence kids that are brought up in a very liberal education system come out as good, obedient liberals.

There is a correlation between economic standing and tolerance of diversity. I.e. if you are doing economically well and live in a safe area you are more likely to support the theory of diversity (because, lets be honest in those conditions you are not experiencing true, fresh off the boat diversity on a daily basis).

Take those away and nature will reassert itself.

Blogger Josh March 31, 2016 12:34 PM  

Abortion is a galvanizing position with very little a president can do about it.

Declare abortionists enemy combatants, issue drone strikes.

Done.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados March 31, 2016 12:37 PM  

Actually, just catching the local news with Ted Cruz talking, another thought came to me in regards to the whole abortion thing:

Ted Cruz was condemning Trump's stance on abortion and women...but why would Cruz say that if he's a "true conservative evangelical"?

I almost wonder if Trump said that on purpose to provoke Cruz into attacking him, further exposing Cruz as a phony. If you see the pattern in the last few weeks, there's been a lot of damaging information on Cruz coming to the surface, especially in regards to the campaign donation in relation to his supposed marital infidelities.

I imagine most if not all evangelicals take abortion seriously and are staunchly pro-life. They may see Trump as just saying whatever to placate them into getting their vote, however if Cruz is then condemning Trump on the side of pro-choice, that's DEFINITELY gotta plant some more seeds of doubt in the eyes of the pro-Cruz camp....

I don't think Trump walked into anything, I think he's leaving himself as bait and walking Cruz into a trap.

Blogger Escoffier March 31, 2016 12:38 PM  

MC227March 31, 2016 9:32 AM
Pro life here but you have to look at since 1973 when Roe vs. Wade was decided violent crime has gone precipitously down since blacks have comprised about 70% of all abortions in the US.


Gun ownership has also increased tremendously in that time and have gun rights.

Blogger Ingot9455 March 31, 2016 1:01 PM  

So far, it didn't make Drudge and I haven't seen it on Facebook. So it can't be all that important.

Blogger Timmy3 March 31, 2016 1:19 PM  

"why would Cruz say that if he's a "true conservative evangelical"?"

Why are you questioning Cruz's Christianity? What should a conservative evangelical do? It seems like you're ascribing certain acceptable behaviors that Christians should do. Calling Cruz a phony is weird in the context. There's nothing phony about how Cruz should be reacting. It will instead be odd to react as if Trump said nothing controversial. You already conceded that Trump is saying whatever he feels about abortion. Anyone's who pro-life will wonder what they're getting with Trump.

Anonymous BGKB March 31, 2016 1:22 PM  

I live in Alabama. I've never actually seen a bernie supporter in the wild.

Of course not they buy pot instead of growing it.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados March 31, 2016 1:27 PM  

@119

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at here: It is TOTALLY phony how Cruz is reacting. Actually, what I'm saying is that Cruz is totally a phony, and isn't "Christian" in the slightest. His marital infidelities should already make that painfully obvious if it wasn't at this point.

He's wishy-washy on trade and immigration, and he exposed himself as a bad sport with what happened to Ben Carson in Iowa, and now you have his infidelities and potential campaign money to keep it quiet, and NOW you have him attacking Trump for saying that abortion is bad.

I totally think that this is just bait to let Cruz further hang himself as being nothing but a fraud--which he is. Keep in mind that Jeb Bush and the rest of the establishment is backing him now, so ideologically, if Cruz was a "true conservative", he should be agreeing with Trump, not attacking him. Again, I still think this is being done to further draw out the "real" Ted Cruz, which is just another bought and paid for establishment shill.

Either way this isn't going to hurt Trump like a lot of you all think, I think most women hate abortion (or more than you realize).

Blogger Marty Johnson March 31, 2016 1:27 PM  

"Accident"? Face it, Trump is an unlearned idiot. Sure, he is a good business man. But he is a buffoon in almost all areas outside of business.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 1:27 PM  

"Declare abortionists enemy combatants, issue drone strikes"

Drone strikes on abortion facilities are an excellent option.

Anonymous FP March 31, 2016 1:34 PM  

Heh, Rush just had a caller who said Trump can't be pro-life because he would punish the woman. Paraphrasing, "It is inherently understood by those of us who are pro-life that you wouldn't go after the mother, you would go after the doctor". Rush actually asked him, "well why not go after the mother, she is the one who went in for the abortion?".

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 31, 2016 1:43 PM  

Women like this love Trump.

Blogger Timmy3 March 31, 2016 1:44 PM  

"TOTALLY phony how Cruz is reacting" because you know the real Cruz?

The one that had "marital infidelities" (unconfirmed), "he's wishy-washy on trade and immigration" (his position, which was hardline, went more harsh), Ben Carson (CNN originated the report of him dropping out; Trump called him names too like pathological).

I'm sure we can trust Trump on his pro-life stance. He was pro-choice a few years ago and thought Planned Parenthood did a good job.

Blogger ray March 31, 2016 1:53 PM  

An amateurish error -- should have known that abortion inevitably would come up. Must be prepared. Also, that's what you get for giving interviews to hyenas like Chris Matthews.

The worst thing Trump could have done was back off, and then correct himself to create Female Victims out of women who kill babies. Exactly what Matthews and the matriarchy wanted. And got.

"and politically, it will be impossible to stop legal abortion in a female-majority democracy if women are punished for having abortions."


How do you reform a 'democracy run by women'? If Trump is so easily intimidated by the power of Team Woman in the abstract, with nobody but Cuckman Chris present -- then he probably doesn't have what it takes to stand up to the Almighty American Woman and tell her that no, she can't murder 'her' babies whenever it's convenient.

The abortion issue was similar to the AIPAC speech -- you don't just blunder in and start babbling off the cuff.

Blogger Ron March 31, 2016 1:54 PM  

@student in bkue

Josh already covered it.

"Punish them? Chris, I intend to declare them enemy combatants and call for drone strikes. Done."

If he said it with enough contempt for the questioner I could see it working.

Blogger Ron March 31, 2016 2:06 PM  

@John Wright

Thank you.

It was a speech by William Cooper that crystalized my thinking on this issue.

"The more wisdom, the more suffering" -proverbs, i understand that more and more as I get older.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 31, 2016 2:07 PM  

Seems inconsistent. If a person hires and assassin, both the assassin and the person who did the hiring are charged criminally.

Reason #57291 why the 19th Amendement needs to be repealed.

Blogger Ron March 31, 2016 2:12 PM  

@Nate

Great analogy.

OpenID joeofthemountain March 31, 2016 2:19 PM  

A misstep? How? Because the enemies of all that is good and decent took joy in a man speaking truth?

Trump just em-ball-ed tens of thousands of squishy cuckservatives and liberals aghast that we must somehow pretend killing your own child is a sacrament of the church, a form of sacrifice that ennobles the ... um .... mother.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados March 31, 2016 2:25 PM  

@126 Yes, and I used to be pro-choice, until the last few years. People CAN and DO change their minds. All one has to do is look at Cruz to know he's a fake. He embodies not only the worst aspects of a stereotypical caricature of a used-care salesman, his actions have as well.

He supported TPP, he's being funded by the same super-pac that funded Bush, yet still keeps e-begging via e-mails that he only takes donations from the people, not super-pacs, there's plenty of evidence out there that lines up with his marital infidelities (not just him but his wife and his kids). Breitbart had info on this but were told to sit on it after Rubio dropped out, the only one left that could help the GOPe have a brokered convention was Cruz. He's establishment, through and through. And there was nobody holding a gun to his or his campaign's heads about spreading that nonsense about Ben Carson dropping out. This is from the guy that castigated the MSM about being biased during the debates...yet apparently lacks the ability to suss out wrong information and running with it without checking it first?

Cruz has always lagged behind because everyone can see that he's bought and paid for, and is only looking out for himself. He's always come across as a practiced, disingenuous little toad from the outset, and the only reason he's managed to even do more than nip at Donald's heels to this point is because the entire DC Establishment cartel is backing him up now. Otherwise, he'd be finished.

All you're doing is making my point for me. Cruz calls Trump supporters low-information, but it seems to me that the Cruz supporters are the low-info/in-denial voters, and the more Cruz exposes himself through his actions, the more people wake up to him being a fake.

Him then joining in on the "Trump was a meany on women and abortion" just continues to show him being a phony when it comes to "conservative" and issues that those who believe in God hold dear (abortion being a state issue, and if you're a Christian finding abortion to be a sin). This does nothing to hurt Trump, and does a lot more to help further expose Cruz, who is gradually had to dissemble and flip-flop when pressed on inconvenient positions he's held while in office. And of course, there's the pesky little issue of using campaign finance money to keep one of his dalliances quiet, which ain't exactly legal. So the Dems can bust him on not being legally qualified to run, or they can bust him on that, either way, he's not fit to run for POTUS, and there's no way he would win, or even stay in the race.

Anonymous redsash March 31, 2016 2:27 PM  

Tony Perkins is a Cruz supporting anti-abortion phony. In this hypothetical abortion is now murder land surely punishment of some sort is necessary to enforce this law. These pro-lifers are all for punishing the abortion doctor, the nurses whose help was indispensable, even the hospital's management where the crime was allowed to take place; but, God forbid having the woman who initiated this crime punished.

There is something called fair play. There is something called logic. Trump's initial gut reaction was both reasoned and logical, both missing from Mr. Perkins and all those residing inside the Beltway for too long a time.

Cruz was my second choice, but his eager ability to take up the same war cries as the Left leaves me stone cold toward this un-natural born citizen.

Blogger ray March 31, 2016 2:41 PM  

The incident suggests that the Trumpers need to tighten their organization. With the Lewandowski issue running hot, it was guaranteed that the gynarchy would seek to misogynize Trump from another angle. Abortion is the obvious choice and it only took them a day or two to spring the latest trap. Can't defeat an enemy you don't understand.

Either Trump refused to listen to advisors, or his advisors were unaware and unprepared. Look, when you take a bite outta this beest (defending his guy Lewandowski) you had better be ready for blowback, because they will be on you fast, to keep The Narrative intact and make you look like the Bad Guy. Most of us already would be in jail at this point.

Trump should have had his position on abortion staked-out, and it should have been a no-nonsense, no-apologies, no-compromise position, that one sentence could express and settle. The more words used, the greater the opportunity for mistakes or worse, backtracking and reversal.

Anonymous Andrew E. March 31, 2016 2:43 PM  

These pro-lifers are all for punishing the abortion doctor, the nurses whose help was indispensable, even the hospital's management where the crime was allowed to take place; but, God forbid having the woman who initiated this crime punished.

Yes, the pro-life movement is apparently severely split on this, ie. whether and how the mother should be punished if abortion is illegal. Thank you Trump for exposing another rift among conservatives. That said, the pro-life movement is strong and not going anywhere so Trump doesn't need to lead on this. He can remain ambiguous on punishment for the mother while the pro-lifers sort this out (his ambiguity is shown when you combine his formal statement with his gut response during the interview). Trump was raised up for this moment to lead and fight on the issues of immigration/borders, trade and foreign wars.

Blogger Sheila4g March 31, 2016 3:47 PM  

@96 Marie: "The punishment for women came socially from other women. This is now deemed "slut-shaming." The problem is the number of sluts vs. decent women has flipped."

Excellent point.

@106 Sevron: "A lot of issues don't matter to people until it becomes personal. That's not an excuse for my own lack of moral standing, I repent it bitterly."

Your position is precisely my husband's. In his youth he was mushy middle on abortion; once we had our firstborn he changed and now castigates his youthful ignorance.

Blogger Matt March 31, 2016 4:28 PM  

There is no such thing as 'gotcha' questions in regards to abortion. Come on. This is political campaigning 101. Every smart politician has a ready answer. Trump did not because he most likely is not anti-abortion. So he was caught and got mixed up. He's not that smart.

Anonymous Ritser March 31, 2016 4:41 PM  

Legal abortion is why the US is still narrowly white-majority. "Pro-lifers" are the ultimate cuckservatives.

Really, if the "right" had decided not to do any objections to funding abortion through medicare or stigmatizing it, we'd probably still be 65-70% white instead of barely 60% white.

Blogger Badmojo March 31, 2016 4:49 PM  

A simpler, stronger response would have been:

"Chris, you don't seem to know how our system works: Congress writes laws and the Executive enforces them. A President can't rewrite or ignore the law, that's unconstitutional."

Anonymous Andrew E. March 31, 2016 4:50 PM  

Legal abortion is why the US is still narrowly white-majority. "Pro-lifers" are the ultimate cuckservatives.

Really, if the "right" had decided not to do any objections to funding abortion through medicare or stigmatizing it, we'd probably still be 65-70% white instead of barely 60% white.


If there were never a pro-life movement to speak of, then God would have let our enemies overrun us long ago and we'd be 0% white today.

Blogger Josh March 31, 2016 5:29 PM  

Legal abortion is why the US is still narrowly white-majority. "Pro-lifers" are the ultimate cuckservatives.

And you're a baby killing monster

Anonymous Greg March 31, 2016 5:30 PM  

Commenters on ZH are suggesting that Trump did this to "gracefully" leave the race, due to threats against him.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 5:31 PM  

"Legal abortion is why the US is still narrowly white-majority. "Pro-lifers" are the ultimate cuckservatives."

Its statements this that demonstrate why so many of the alt-right types will be up against the execution wall before the revolution's victory party is even over.

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 5:35 PM  

Margaret Sanger was apparently an alt-right luminary! good to know.

Blogger Josh March 31, 2016 5:35 PM  

Its statements this that demonstrate why so many of the alt-right types will be up against the execution wall before the revolution's victory party is even over.

Amen.

Although have you thought of necklacing them?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 31, 2016 5:41 PM  

@100 Nate
none. but then again I live in Alabama. I've never actually seen a bernie supporter in the wild.
---

Speaking of Alabama, I saw a total of 3 Mexicans yesterday. And 2 were in a thrift shop.

They really are much less here than they were back in the Atlanta area. And they were much less there than before that law passed a couple years back.

Anonymous Greg March 31, 2016 6:00 PM  

Adams suggested in his latest blog post that Trump basically had no choice but to answer the way he did. As some of the commenters there point out, Trump exposed Cruz as not being the "most pro-life candidate." In fact, I would say Trump's comments were useful for spotting the pro-life consultant class. (Remember, if abortion is illegal, a lot of these people are out of a job - echoing the situation in the GOP for similar reasons. It really seems that these people don't really care about the cause, but rather the money.

Blogger RobertT March 31, 2016 6:18 PM  

Terrific response. Trump is Trump. You get the bad with the good.

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 6:27 PM  

See, truthfully the woman should be punished, but since there are women out there that had abortions, like my sister in law that I love and see on a regular basis, they don't want to hear that and I don't need to make a rift with her, but truthfully they should be punished, it is definitely murder, its sad but true

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 6:31 PM  

and woe to those in the media and in both parties that don't care at all about innocent unborn babies

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 6:42 PM  

its sad that almost everyone, myself included, is afraid of offending women that had abortions, so therefore that don't speak the truth that abortion is brutal evil murder

Blogger Nate March 31, 2016 6:46 PM  

"They really are much less here than they were back in the Atlanta area. And they were much less there than before that law passed a couple years back."

Excellent. I rarely see more than a single family out and about. and even then I only see them once or twice a month or so

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 6:46 PM  

this is where the pro life women need to step up and defend Trump

Blogger SciVo March 31, 2016 6:53 PM  

How on earth do people figure the woman is the victim here?!

Because women have the agency of toddlers. Duh. Every feminist knows that. It's the whole point of their movement. What are you, some kind of MRA?

Blogger SciVo March 31, 2016 7:01 PM  

People talk about immigration, states rights, etc. but I believe that abortion is the single greatest abomination in Gods eyes.

Yes, but in an oligarchy ruled by five guys in black robes, we have to separate from that empire before we can stop it.

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 7:03 PM  

"The correct thing would have been to stand by his correct position in the abstract - women absolutely SHOULD be punished for murdering children - while providing a practical temporization of it by observing that the primary goal is to save children, and politically, it will be impossible to stop legal abortion in a female-majority democracy if women are punished for having abortions.

In other words, he should have said that while he believes women are responsible for their criminal actions, and ideally should be held responsible for them, in this particular case, the interests of the unborn children should be prioritized and the punishments focused on the abortion providers." Exactly!

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 7:15 PM  

and I was turned off at the way Cruz and Kasich both just abandoned him and even criticized him, ... hopefully they backtrack and change their tune

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 7:18 PM  

""If you're dumb enough to go on MSNBC with a New England ________ like Matthews, you're pretty much asking for it."" exactly!

Anonymous johnc March 31, 2016 7:19 PM  

The media is so full of dishonest people that this kind of thing happens when you engage them. If you can get yourself out there without engaging the mainstream (corrupt) media altogether, you'll be a lot better off.

They've still been using the kid gloves with Trump, probably to allow him to get the nomination. When things get down to it, the knives will come out.

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 7:22 PM  

"Donald Trump should have stuck to his original position. There was nothing wrong with it." exactly! women that have had abortions will get over it

Blogger praetorian March 31, 2016 7:25 PM  

Legal abortion is why the US is still narrowly white-majority. "Pro-lifers" are the ultimate cuckservatives.

Just...

Anonymous Anonymous March 31, 2016 7:35 PM  

"The men of this country are by and large utterly disgraceful for cowering before women."
its more fear of becoming homeless and starving

Anonymous Alice De Goon March 31, 2016 7:44 PM  

If I were Trump, I would have said "Who has the majority of abortions per capita? Why are so many black babies being aborted? Are you a racist? Do you like to see black babies being aborted?" That would have made the leftist's heads explode because they either have to deny abortion, or support racism.

Someone should sit Trump down, go over every possible trap the lefties will lay, and coach him on what to say.

Blogger The Other Robot March 31, 2016 8:36 PM  

The media is going all out on Trump's stumble ...

Blogger ray March 31, 2016 8:41 PM  

"I used to be kind of wishy washy on abortion. It seemed bad, but these women are in a tough place, yada yada."


My experience too, in my twenties and thirties -- we were bombarded with fem-prop about A Woman's Right To Choose and shown bloody coat hangers with tales of terrible abuse in backalleys and teenage girls bleeding to death on the cobblestones, hey coward, you don't want YOUR daughter going to a backalley abortionist do you? etc.

From the Sixties through the Eighties we got a steady stream of propaganda about Domestic Violence, Abortion, Affirmative Action and various other iniquities and abuses illustrating men bad, women good. It was always presented as Men Are Harming Females if the nation didn't accede to the endless 'rights' of females, including the legal right to murder unborn babies loaned to them by God. Feminists and related orgs campaigned mightily through those decades to weld abortion to the basic safety requirements of women, as if they were being FORCED to get impregnated and have an abortion. Pushed all the right Cuck-Buttons in the American Unconscious. Incre-mentally.

With that mindwiping background, and being unmarried, I thought little about abortion, only learning much later of its horrors and practitioners, at which point I got pissed quick. The P.P. vids closed the books for me on the issue. It reminds me of the Molochian child-sacrificial rites from the ancient Near East, a widespread practice involving fertility, sex, so forth. Nowdays we've modernize and upgraded, and let our women slaughter kids BEFORE they even see the world. Why? Because whatever is convenient for females is good-to-go, our nation's highest ideal, and if you don't like that, you're a misogynist and an abuser of women.

By allowing females to abort children en-masse, we not only accede to the torture and murder of those kids, we also betray both God and nation. A nation that tears its own children from the womb, then gloatingly markets the 'products', creates its inevitable future.

Blogger SirHamster March 31, 2016 9:27 PM  

Greg wrote:Adams suggested in his latest blog post that Trump basically had no choice but to answer the way he did. As some of the commenters there point out, Trump exposed Cruz as not being the "most pro-life candidate." In fact, I would say Trump's comments were useful for spotting the pro-life consultant class. (Remember, if abortion is illegal, a lot of these people are out of a job - echoing the situation in the GOP for similar reasons. It really seems that these people don't really care about the cause, but rather the money.

One interesting result of this kerfluffle is that Trump's anti-abortion bonafides are stronger now.

Harder to argue that he's secretly pro-abortion because he was buddy-buddy with PP, when he has now made an anti-abortion statement that many pro-lifers found too extreme.

This is not an error that happens when you're just aping the pro-life words.

Anonymous Eddie March 31, 2016 10:28 PM  

"That's one of the risks of being outspoken and unafraid. People will lay traps for you, and from time to time, you will step in them."

Bollocks. It's not the risk of being outspoken and unafraid, it's the risk of not having a clue what you're talking about. *Of course* the media laid a trap for him; it's what they do to every candidate, and certainly to every pro-life conservative. Any politician worth a damn knows how to spot the traps coming and avoid them, or once ensnared how to work his way out. It's a basic political skill. The fact that he wasn't prepared for a question as simple and obvious as this (people have been posing it to pro-life pols for decades) is sheer incompetence.


"One interesting result of this kerfluffle is that Trump's anti-abortion bonafides are stronger now.

Harder to argue that he's secretly pro-abortion because he was buddy-buddy with PP, when he has now made an anti-abortion statement that many pro-lifers found too extreme."

Yeah, except for the fact that he then took it all back five minutes after he found out it was so unpopular.

The lengths people are willing to go to to paint this guy as some badass alpha is just amazing to me.

Blogger ray March 31, 2016 11:50 PM  

"Yeah, except for the fact that he then took it all back five minutes after he found out it was so unpopular.

The lengths people are willing to go to to paint this guy as some badass alpha is just amazing to me. "



That was disconcerting. Worse than being completely unprepared for THE major female-power-point issue of our times, right after some bimbo had your campaign manager arrested for Public Maleness. You have to use that issue at your chosen time, for your purposes, and not when Medea is already lying in wait, scripted.

Is Donnie anything more than circusmaster for The Mob? Did he do his own homework as a boy. . . or was it hired-out? America doesn't need a ringmaster, it needs a leader who doesn't wiffle waffle and alter decisions as soon as the herd moos and stamps.

Does Donald Trump have any principles, beyond money and expediency? Maybe someone on staff needs to show him some P.P. videos late one night. If he still wants to get behind all that, then it's his baby. So to speak.

Anonymous redsash April 01, 2016 12:46 AM  

Don't go wobbly Mr. Trump. If one is not the hammer, they are the anvil.

Globalism and their nation destroying practices are treason. Speeches do not stop globalist. War and revenge stop globalists.

Blogger Steve Moss April 01, 2016 1:21 AM  

I'm struggling to see how these comments hurt Trump.

He's dominating the news cycle again. His name is constantly out there. Good or bad, he's in voters heads. To quote someone wiser than I, " "I don't care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right." All press is good press, at some level.

This is a Republican primary. Evangelicals influence that primary heavily. No matter how ham-handed, Trump is the Republican who is being crucified for his pro-life statements. By contrast, his competitors are being mealy mouthed and wobbly on the issue in a lame effort to score points.

Trump went on Chris Matthews. He literally walked into the ambush. While some claim it a tactical error, it also demonstrates courage and a willingness to reach out to all audiences.

I actually think Trump has played this well, despite alleged mistakes. We'll see if that's right on Tuesday.

Blogger Thordaddy April 01, 2016 1:26 AM  

If one could conceive abortion = (female) self-annihilation then one need not stumble in their rejection of (female) self-annihilation and also answer that the punishment is inherent to the abortion act itself.

Anonymous redsash April 01, 2016 1:51 AM  

That being said America has probably already lost to the Globalists and the NWO. With the selection of McCain and Romney, whose cult believes that Jesus is the spirit brother of Satan, the writing was on the wall so to speak. Add to that the murders of tens of millions of unborn babies and a nation goes from being protected by God to being despised by God. Who knows how many Americans already wear the mark of the beast because the work of their hands and the thoughts of their minds are demonic. The only bright spots in the future that I can make out are that the leaders of Russia, Slovakia, Hungary,and the Czech republic, and quite a few Americans see through the NWO scams of global warming and the Muslim invasion. I fear that in the future America will have its hands full just eaking out a subsistence living. An America consisting of different strongholds holding vastly different views and goals. What is so sad is that it didn't have to end this way. We could have been a nation living in Godly peace and contentment. Instead we chose to worship the created rather than the Creator.

Blogger SciVo April 01, 2016 3:59 AM  

I'm struggling to see how these comments hurt Trump.

Agreed. It looks to me like strategic ambiguity. Is he hard-core or unprepared? Who knows? Who cares?

Blogger peter blandings April 01, 2016 5:08 AM  

Who knows? Who cares?
WOMEN CARE. this was a catastrophic mistake on trump's part. it's almost inconceivable that he wasn't prepared for the one question that will ALWAYS get asked. women are ONE ISSUE voters, and that issue is abortion. they want it. period. women determine the outcome of every election in the u.s. this mistake could very well have cost trump the election.

Blogger Marie April 01, 2016 7:16 AM  

"he wasn't prepared for the one question that will ALWAYS get asked"

I don't follow the men's game theory other than a passing interest now and then when one of you mention it.

But isn't there something about shocking, insulting, or dismissing a woman to get her attention?

I mean really, how dare Trump not be prepared on the issue of the day as defined by a subset of SUPER IMPORTANT women. That'll never work. Ever....

Except it does. All the time.

Blogger Marissa April 01, 2016 12:05 PM  

There are plenty of women who agree with Trump here. If not from a principled standpoint then from a Mean Girls standpoint. And if not from that then from a stand by your man pose. Feminists stand by Bill the rapist and adulterer like white on rice. It has nothing to do with principle and right wing women aren't immune to that.

Blogger SirHamster April 01, 2016 1:26 PM  

Eddie wrote:Yeah, except for the fact that he then took it all back five minutes after he found out it was so unpopular.

The lengths people are willing to go to to paint this guy as some badass alpha is just amazing to me.


"This is not an error that happens when you're just aping the pro-life words."

Reading comprehension is hard.

Blogger tz April 01, 2016 1:55 PM  

Hypothetically, if a woman violates National Security by having an easily hackable private email server, should she go to jail?

Blogger Jehu April 01, 2016 3:13 PM  

Central problem is we have had approximately 58 million murders in the US since 1973 for which no legal penalty has been levied. That's an unholy ton of women, even accounting for the fact that there are 'frequent flyers' in the infanticide industry. At some point crimes become far too numerous to punish through the ordinary legal system because the guilty and their allies are far too strong. That's why I'm pretty sure this is going to end in blood. Oceans, not rivers, because we're Americans, not Brits.

Anonymous Jay April 01, 2016 4:34 PM  

People say "life starts in the womb".

I've realized this debate will never end, until we can answer, "what is life?", and "what is consciousness?"

Anonymous guy-that-figured-out-important-stuff-late April 01, 2016 4:42 PM  

and I was thinking, it seems the republican party is trying to dodge the issue of abortion and just not go there,... Though there is a small part of me that kind of empathizes a larger part of me thinks that is wrong

Anonymous guy-that-figured-out-important-things-late April 01, 2016 8:29 PM  

and I think that for a lot of voters the only reason why they vote is to support pro life republicans and get them elected, (like me for eg) if they are not pro life I imagine they will lose enormous amounts of voters

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 01, 2016 10:21 PM  

84, 108 agreed. I lack the hope or optimism abortion will be unveiled for the ritual sacrifice that is remains. I also am aware that clinicians understand it as a medical procedure.

Anonymous Jay in DC April 02, 2016 1:53 AM  

"I'm struggling to see how these comments hurt Trump."

May have something to do with the fact that he is polling 73% unfavorably with women of -any- stripe and women are more than half of the voting base? Just a thought...

He stepped on his own dick in a -big- way with this one, and it may have cost him the campaign. It is one of those sacred cows you simply don't go after right now and especially from a firebrand like Trump.

Stupidity and doubly so for walking into the lion's den that is Chris Matthews show not expecting to be ambushed.

Anonymous Craigp April 02, 2016 4:37 PM  

and not over-focus on the abortion, but one more thing about it, I heard the fiery Lindsey Graham not too long ago say something that was exactly right about this issue also, gonna paraphrase from memory but he was like "... (referring to democrats) and they can make this election about a national referendum on abortion if they want to, and welcome it because we will clean their clock on abortion" I wish all the GOP had that attitude that the fiery Lindsey Graham has

Anonymous craigp April 02, 2016 6:38 PM  

"They've still been using the kid gloves with Trump, probably to allow him to get the nomination. When things get down to it, the knives will come out" I tend to think he will be able to handle himself even if they start turning on him

Anonymous Craigp April 02, 2016 6:42 PM  

He's (Trump) got the Vox endorsement, so that's got to be a huge confidence boost for him

Anonymous Craig April 02, 2016 7:17 PM  

...Him then joining in on the "Trump was a meany on women and abortion" just continues to show him being a phony when it comes to "conservative" and issues that those who believe in God hold dear (abortion being a state issue, and if you're a Christian finding abortion to be a sin). This does nothing to hurt Trump, and does a lot more to help further expose Cruz,

yep, even on Fox News they don't seem to get that obvious turn of events, what is their problem , there has been a major momentum shift, kind of like when someone makes a slam dunk in basketball

Anonymous Craig April 02, 2016 7:26 PM  

"This is a Republican primary. Evangelicals influence that primary heavily. No matter how ham-handed, Trump is the Republican who is being crucified for his pro-life statements. By contrast, his competitors are being mealy mouthed and wobbly on the issue in a lame effort to score points."

It is really ironic and kind of funny in a sad way that a former democrat, considering being an independent is going harder for the pro-life movement than then supposedly pro-life republicans

Anonymous Craig April 02, 2016 8:17 PM  

I wondering if there are any other democrats unhappy with the direction their party is headed and feel strongly about the pro-life position, if there are Trump has laid the groundwork for you, you will not be going where no one has gone before

Anonymous Craigp April 02, 2016 8:25 PM  

but I really ought to leave Cruz alone, I don't know him at all, does he look a little bit like an Mime (Mimes are not necesarrily unattractive) or do I sometimes think he might put on some makeup and start dancing and be like (Life is a cabaret.... ) yes I do, and so what if he does When you are big time like he is you can do that, let him abolish the IRS and put me out of a job, what do I care, I'll just drive a cab, I don't think the rumors I hear about driverless cabs are going to become a reality in my lifetime

Anonymous Craig April 02, 2016 8:36 PM  

and also I don't want to mess with John Kasich either He might be able to kick my ass, and he probably has kids and nephews that can kick my ass. I actually like him anyway, so there are many reasons why I wont mess with him

Anonymous Craig April 03, 2016 4:11 PM  

I just saw a picture of Ted Cruz with what looked like a cup of coffee, with one of those card board anti-burn things on it, he looked like just a regular in that picture

Anonymous Craig April 03, 2016 6:09 PM  

yep, even on Fox News they don't seem to get that obvious turn of events, what is their problem , there has been a major momentum shift, kind of like when someone makes a slam dunk in basketball

that comment of mine is disingeousous, sugesting that I have any respect for Fox News channel when I don't

Anonymous Craig April 03, 2016 7:02 PM  

I do have a little bit of respect for fnc in all truth

Anonymous Strumpet102 April 05, 2016 8:56 AM  

I agree with so many of your posts - love them in fact. But to name this a 'misstep' is just not right. It's horrible that even Mr. Trump, the 'I don't listen to anyone but myself' man can't have a rational view of a woman's body if he has a hope of getting the Republican nomination. It's horrendous.

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