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Thursday, March 17, 2016

The civilizational nightmare

Fred Reed observes that diversity is virtually the opposite of civilization's strength:
A tribulation of following the news is the desperate peddling—it would appall an Amway salesman– of diversity, said to be our strength. Oh? Exactly why it is our strength is never specified. It seems to have brought no benefit beyond crime, rape, and genital mutilation. While the desirability of these advances is beyond dispute, it nonetheless seems to me that diversity has minor drawbacks worthy of consideration.

So, brothels and cisterns, let us look at some of the resplendent marvels of diversity, and the onward march of human betterment and happiness attendant thereunto. What have been the relations between:

In Germany, Germans and Moslems. In Canada, Frogs, Anglos, and Indians. In the US, blacks, whites, browns, and Moslems. In Sri Lanka, Tamils and Sinhalese. In Sweden, Swedes and Moslems. In Ireland, Prots and Catholics.  In Rwanda, Hutus and Tutsis, or maybe Tutus and Hutsis. In India, Hindus and Moslems among others. In Israel, Jews and Arabs. In France, French and Moslems. In Sudan, Moslems and Christians. In South Africa, Xhosa, Bantus, and whites. In Iraq and elsewhere, Shias and Sunnis. In Xian Jiang, Chinese and Moslems.  In Spain, Basques, Catalans, and the rest. In Germany, Jews and Germans. In Turkey, Turks and Armenians and Kurds. In ISIS-land, Moslems and Christians, Sunnis and Shias. In Indonesia, Indonesians and Chinese. In Holland, Dutch and Moslems.

Most of these happy proximities have produced bloodbaths, actual genocide or attempts at it, forced migration as when Uganda threw out its Indians, mass butchery by machete as in Rwanda, repeated bombings in London, and such like exuberances. Other disasters are still only in the simmering stage. Americans are among those being simmered.

From which one might conclude that diversity is the principal cause of human unhappiness, mightn’t one?
Americans most definitely are among those "being simmered". It would be astonishing if the largest invasion in human history did not lead to violence, inter-ethnic conflict, and bloodshed on a similar scale.

That is the great evil that has been committed by the advocates of the Proposition Nation. The Proposition Nation propaganda is not merely dyscivic, it is dyscivilizational. Not only are the propositionists absolutely and utterly wrong, but their actions are observably leading to what has the potential to be one of the great crimes of human history.

And that is assuming that Western Civilization survives. The frightening thing is this: that may well be the rosy scenario.

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Blogger Escoffier March 17, 2016 8:09 AM  

I will freely admit that I bought into the whole Statue of Liberty deal. What astounded me when I began questioning the verities of immigration was how thin and shallow every single argument was.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 17, 2016 8:09 AM  

Excellent article, terrifying when thought through.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 17, 2016 8:10 AM  

Very assuredly. Look at Yugoslavia, a unified, multi-cultural Communist experiment. When the controlling apparatus lost its prerogative--it split up into its homogenous ethnic components.

Same will happen to America. America will go the way the Yugoslavia, a failed state unless the WASPs can regain control of their country and maintain at least a 70% majority. We have to have a wall, deportation, expel the Muslims, Rescind the 1965 Immigration Act, Moratorium on Immigration, Restore the 1925 Nationalities Act. And end the "Freedom of Speech" to quash Marxism, and have ethics codes of loyalty to European civilization and Culture in our Universities. WASPs must gain control of our universities who are teaching Multi-Culti crap.

OpenID paworldandtimes March 17, 2016 8:12 AM  

The mundane evil of multiculturalism is how it dumbs everything down to its lowest common denominator: political speech, education, art, morality, customs, use of public space.

PA

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 17, 2016 8:13 AM  

@ Escoffier

So did most of us, you aren't alone in that brainwashing. It's nothing to be ashamed of. It's only shameful if you resist available evidence to show it is wrong.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 8:20 AM  

It must make Left-cultists crazy: When all the colors of the spectrum are arranged naturally, you have WHITE light.

When you separate them all, then mix them together (like at a Sherwin-Williams paint store) you get an ugly shade of brown, what most people would characterize as a complete absence of aesthetically-pleasing color.

You can have red civilization and blue civilization and yellow civilization all beautiful and separate, or you can try mixing them all and destroy all beauty.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 8:24 AM  

Except it isn't even a propositional nation. Those who claim loyalty don't understand and can't explain the Constitution, or the Natural law beneath it.
The SJWs at University and elsewhere say the proposition is what they are defending.
Most won't even consider that it limits government, and 99% of DC violates the proposition. Who is calling to eliminate the IRS, DHS, HHS, EPA, etc.?
In an earlier post, Vox points out a propositional nation would require tyrannical thought police. True. But when we point out what the proposition really is and confront them, they blow up and deny the proposition.

Blogger Salt March 17, 2016 8:24 AM  

W.LindsayWheeler wrote:Same will happen to America. America will go the way the Yugoslavia

Who will get the nukes?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 8:25 AM  

@3, to do what you propose will require a nearly complete rejection of the dogmas of the theocracy that has ruled the USA since before the American Revolution.

This is why it is taking so long to turn away from this mutual suicide pact. Reason and logic take time to win against emotion and ego, and the Right is at the forefront of this reversal of folly.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2016 8:26 AM  

Sociopathic Occupational Government SOG for short

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 8:31 AM  

Trump Sentiment remains no more than a tiny nudge toward the Right. (It remains to be seen what Trump Reality is, but that is BtP.)

Vox Popoli, AmRen, SBPDL, and other overtly Right sources are wildly out ahead of political sentiment. Are they harbingers?

They are, or else the future will be utter stagnation in the East and a West that heads straight for barbarism in steps large and small.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 17, 2016 8:32 AM  

Exactly why it is our strength is never specified.

I brought up a similar question to one of our HR ladies after we had to sit through (another) Diversity video. Her answer? "Diversity is the only way to bring new ideas to the company." Though I had a follow-up question, she neglected to call on me again. Pity...

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 8:34 AM  

The Statue of Liberty at least had the idea that immigrants would learn English, be subject to Americanized common law, integrate into the culture, and be productive.
As I'm pointing out, today few can clearly describe the proposition. Nothing in the Sarah Hoyt discussion defending her as "really American" has anything that shows even a shallow understanding. "Something to do with liberty and equality"?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 8:34 AM  

Funny how the Left-cult *LOVES* diversity yet their first "fix" for today's problems is to get everyone to interbreed, rendering the future a uniform shade of mud.

Ditto for their notion of culture and civilization. Mud. Toxic mud.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 17, 2016 8:35 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@3, to do what you propose will require a nearly complete rejection of the dogmas of the theocracy that has ruled the USA since before the American Revolution.

Exactly! That has been my argument since I've been commenting on this site. America is a Novus Ordo and this Novus Ordo is committing Suicide from the beginning. It is a "theocracy" of sorts but it isn't traditional orthodox Christianity.

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Sociopathic Occupational Government SOG for short

No, the traditional meme is ZOG, Zionist Occupied Government, and you get "sociopathy" from the Zionists. It is Diabolical Narcissism. The Zionists are a race of sociopaths and that is why you read sociopathy.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 17, 2016 8:37 AM  

"Kneel before ZOG!"

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 17, 2016 8:39 AM  

No nation without homogeneity. Slaves brought to this country to work vast tracts of agricultural land (too vast for one family to work) so that privileged elite could be aristocrats in the New World. The slaves remained after their emancipation. We see what the effects of that are. There will never be any harmony until this is resolved. But how to resolve it?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 8:40 AM  

@12 Diversity. Democracy. Equality.

Liberty, Equality, Fraternity...
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Martin Luther, Cromwell & the Levelers, the Puritans, the Whigs, the Progressives...

All the same dogma. One cult, one theocracy that hides in plain sight.

Anonymous Bobby Farr March 17, 2016 8:46 AM  

But look at Tokyo. A city of 25 million without a single respectable migrant slum. Is that really what we want in the West?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2016 8:48 AM  

ZOG has become a fund raising term for the ADL. SOG is an inclusive term that encompasses even the low IQ set that marches, burns and destroys for diversity and white genocide

Anonymous Joe Blowe March 17, 2016 8:52 AM  

America will go the way the Yugoslavia

Why should we allow the interlopers to have any of it? We'll have to reconquer the land the way our forefathers did. Bring on the Trail of Tears Part II.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 17, 2016 8:56 AM  

Thomas Chittum's monograph "Civil War II" is a good start and Chittum recommend Creveld

Anonymous BGKB March 17, 2016 8:57 AM  

@ Escoffier Bring me tired, poor, huddled masses of wretched refuse always sounded like an odd idea to me, especially since it was written before welfare.

Diversity video. Her answer? "Diversity is the only way to bring new ideas to the company."

The only ideas it brings are the need to lower standards so you can have more dieversecity. You should see the faces when I say "look I am gay but when people ask me what the benefits of diversity are beyond food and music I can't come up with anything good"

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau March 17, 2016 8:59 AM  

Seems to me worship of the Goddess of Reason lead to the Tumbrils and the Black Marias taking their victims to the portal to the next world.

Blogger Cunning Dove March 17, 2016 9:01 AM  

It won't matter who gets the nukes. The instructions to fire them are written in cursive.

Anonymous Michael Maier March 17, 2016 9:03 AM  

Wasn't Fred Reed was just the other day telling us how well Meheecans and Muricans work together?

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2016 9:10 AM  

" . . . Tokyo. A city of 25 million without a single respectable migrant slum."

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/06/11/the-changing-face-of-tokyos-shin-okubo-and-the-decline-of-japans-biggest-korea-town/

Anonymous Bobby Farr March 17, 2016 9:13 AM  

They view that America becomes Yugolavia seems too optimistic since it assumes the American nation survives, even if only in some truncated form. We've seen zero attempt by the natives to defend their nation in 50 years. San Francisco, LA, NYC, Miami, the entire SW border - these are the observable case studies for how Americans have reacted to invasions. They happily become a tiny minority, politically irrelevant, as they are overwhelmed by barbarian hordes. They grow older in a few well off areas if they have money but are otherwise eliminated through interbreeding. They allow their culture and history to be scrubbed from public spaces or demonized. Perhaps Trump signals a last ditch attempt to prevent these examples from going nationwide but now even red state cities like Omaha and Nashville have acquired huge foreign populations (e.g., 1/3 of the population) with barely a word of complaint.

Blogger Student in Blue March 17, 2016 9:18 AM  

@kfg

And given how much Japanese hate Koreans already... there may be some turbulent times ahead.

Anonymous Bobby Farr March 17, 2016 9:21 AM  

@27 Shin-okubo is more of a Korean pop culture theme park than a migrant slum in the Western sense. The article indicates this when it says the Korean shops are closing due to changing tastes - i.e., not enough Korean migrants to keep them open. This place is dominated by Japanese customers.

But Japan is definitely heading towards a severe immigration problem. It is becoming very common to see low paid service work done by third worlders.

Anonymous BGKB March 17, 2016 9:22 AM  

Wasn't Fred Reed was just the other day telling us how well Meheecans and Muricans work together?

The linked article is from a month ago. Fred "12yo chicas will not get in my van because ice cream melts" Reed's most recent article is kneeling at the alter of die verse city:

"Americans are Nordic, efficient and good at space ships. They invent things. They are not good at flavor, flair, liveliness, and are usually described as chilly and distant. Norway doesn’t do flamenco"

Here is another part of it that begs a question: "Conservatives are often horrified b y this sort of thing, though I am not sure how walking through a crowded alley and buying toys for the kids portends the end of civilization."

Well a single case Drug Resistant TB costs (taxpayers)over $250,000 in medicine alone, taken over 18+ months, and can go over $1.5million with LOW IQ NON Compliant patients(who create drug resistance in the first place). All cases can be traced from south of the border. That's not even counting illegals fraudulently getting $30k in child tax credits using ITEN numbers to spend on the toys. If the barrios get any more like Mexico people will be yelling out ads for women+male donkey shows & rooster fights, while bibliothecas will disapear.

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2016 9:28 AM  

" . . .Japan is definitely heading towards a severe immigration problem. It is becoming very common to see low paid service work done by third worlders."

The fit and finish of Japanese made bicycle parts, except at the very highest end, has fallen markedly in recent years, because even the Filipinos won't do that sort of dirty work any more.

Blogger Crowhill March 17, 2016 9:28 AM  

VD: And that is assuming that Western Civilization survives.

Right. It seems that even the pope has given up on western civilization and accepted the inevitability of conquest. We've come a long way (down).

Anonymous Eric the Red March 17, 2016 9:31 AM  

And lo, for preaching that reality given by God of tribes and human biodiversity, and that a man cleaves from a woman, and that there shalt be no other gods before Him, and for those unto the nations that God has assigned, and thenceforward the evils of diversity and multiculturalism and feminism, then mine enemies shall heap calumny upon my head with their cries of racism and sexism and many phobias, and try their treachery upon me, but yea I shall rejoice in the Lord my God Who is a rock upon the ages.

Blogger VD March 17, 2016 9:31 AM  

There will never be any harmony until this is resolved. But how to resolve it?

There are four options:

1. Partition
2. Ethnic Cleansing and deportation
3. Mass murder
4. Surrender and gradual suicide

Everything else mentioned is simply a form of one of those four options. It doesn't matter what you want, it doesn't matter what your ideals are, those are the four options.

Thanks, propositionists!

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 9:33 AM  

Drug Resistant TB costs

This. Wait until the bubble bursts (yes, it's been "Alien-pregnant" for years); Ebola was a faint breeze, the hurricane is coming. Mix one part antibiotic pan-resistance with immigration from the tropics and season with pervasive low-IQ and a little three-families-to-the-Section-8-house.

Ditto food scares at "ethnic" restaurants. Chipotle was another faint breeze.

Between food scares and pandemic terrors (imagined, real, or reality-amplified-by-imagination), Die Verse Uh Tee is due for a complete inversion in sentiment and Narrative.

The Nuclear version of this will be a grade school in Minnesota where three-quarters of the students (also 80% white, 5% 3rd world immigrant) suddenly test positive for drug resistant TB.

Try keeping a lid on that one, MSM.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man March 17, 2016 9:35 AM  

“In Germany, Germans and Moslems. In Canada, Frogs, Anglos, and Indians. In the US, blacks, whites, browns, and Moslems. In Sri Lanka, Tamils and Sinhalese. In Sweden, Swedes and Moslems. In Ireland, Prots and Catholics. In Rwanda, Hutus and Tutsis, or maybe Tutus and Hutsis. In India, Hindus and Moslems among others. In Israel, Jews and Arabs. In France, French and Moslems. In Sudan, Moslems and Christians. In South Africa, Xhosa, Bantus, and whites. In Iraq and elsewhere, Shias and Sunnis. In Xian Jiang, Chinese and Moslems. In Spain, Basques, Catalans, and the rest. In Germany, Jews and Germans. In Turkey, Turks and Armenians and Kurds. In ISIS-land, Moslems and Christians, Sunnis and Shias. In Indonesia, Indonesians and Chinese. In Holland, Dtuch and Moslems.”

Indeed, there have been numerous events of wars between these competing groups. However, Fred fails to take into account the REASONS for these conflicts. Human history is replete with different groups of people living side by side, intermingling, and intermarrying, and then engaging in bloody conflict. That is human nature. That doesn’t mean people ought to completely isolate themselves out of the possibility that there will be chaos between groups.

It really doesn’t matter in the end. IF there is an oncoming race or ethnic war, so be it. Let it happen, and things will be sorted out in the end.

“We should import more weird, backward, dull-witted, useless, and inassimilable civilizational disasters, many of which have produced nothing more technologically challenging than the pointed stick.”

Assuming that the end all and be all of “being civilized” is being technologically advanced. Furthermore, Fred enjoys his own “weird, backward, dull-witted, and useless” diversity, so I would not rely on his advice in this matter.

“Mixing even civilized peoples is not a good idea. Put thirty million Japanese in America, or Americans in Japan, and trouble will result.”

There needs to be a qualifier here. Minor trouble? Major trouble? Some trouble? Little trouble? Again, Fred should talk about mixing with undesirable company.

"You can have red civilization and blue civilization and yellow civilization all beautiful and separate, or you can try mixing them all and destroy all beauty."

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

"It would be astonishing if the largest invasion in human history did not lead to violence, inter-ethnic conflict, and bloodshed on a similar scale."

The only astonishment would be if today's American men overall would say "Enough" and actually have the guts to carry out with their base instinct to murder their fellow man, woman, and child.

Again, let it happen. God will sort it out. Western Civilization may or may not survive. It doesn't matter if this mass violence goes down, few of us here will live to see it.

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2016 9:35 AM  

@VD:

In practice, I fear it really boils down to 1-3 and 4.

And 4 will end in 1-3.

Anonymous Veritus March 17, 2016 9:40 AM  

Diversity isn’t a challenge to be overcome or a difficulty to be tolerated. The only people who dislike diversity are those who are afraid they cannot compete in a world where everyone is given a fair chance.

Diversity is out strength because diversity is strongly associated with creativity, adaptation to new and changing situations/demands and to performance.

At the genetic level, diversity is also associate with much greater health and resistance to disease.

I'm a white American and I am the first to recognize that Black people have made an amazing cultural legacy for America.

First of all, you have to realize that their culture values spontaneity and personal expression. Like when I go to church with my boyfriend and people would spontaneously start singing in the middle of speaking a sermon just because they felt like it.

The legacy of jazz, blues, rock & roll, rap, hip hop....

Dancing.... breakdancing is pretty amazing, popping and locking...

Elvis was originally called the Hillbilly Cat... Cat being more of a slang applied to a black person... because rock & roll comes from the blues....

I am a huge Led Zeppelin fan.... but where would Zep be without the blues artists from America? No where!

The black musical legacy is pretty much the best.


I didn't even mention sports yet. Aren't most football players black? Doesn't that contribute to the happiness of the spectators to watch such gifted and dedicated athletes play?



Variety is the spice of life...

Even Native American's who have not contributed to the mainstream culture as much as the African Americans... do have a beautiful and inspiring culture on their own. I enjoy listening to Native American chanting before I go on runs... I find it inspiring.

I am glad that the United States has so many different cultures.

Oh, yeah, and different food is good, too!

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 9:42 AM  

@35 Do you have an opinion on what amounts to the demography-is-destiny voting analysis posited by blogger Jayman, found here?
http://www.unz.com/jman/the-donald-trump-phenomenon-part-1-the-american-nations/

If his position is correct, the descendants of Scandinavia's open-society immigration-suicide-cultists and the openly parasitic NAM's will vote (if they show up) for your #4.

The maps he copies from other sources may be instructive about fault lines in the event of your #1.

Anonymous Golden Flowers March 17, 2016 9:42 AM  

I think "surrender and mass suicide" would be the appropriate option for "white American and western culture" No other people have caused such pain and misery and need to be removed so that mankind can move forward.

Anonymous Bobby Farr March 17, 2016 9:44 AM  

Easily the funniest thing I've read here

Blogger endwatcher March 17, 2016 9:47 AM  

Rhetoric man, short term thinkers are short bus riders. Doesn't matter if we won't see the end results, our descendents will. We aught to care in such matters.

The degeneration of man is one of the saddest truths of history, we can either resist it by defending higher culture or we can go the way of the romans. In the end without divine succor we have little hope but we must desire said help if we want to receive it.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 9:50 AM  

@39 Veritus

No. Spice isn't the meal. You mistake novelty for substance. You also seem utterly oblivious to the pervasive coercion infusing your worldview.

"Privilege" is today's monotone. It is nothing but a rationalization for theft from and enslavement of those born with natural aptitudes more fit for the modern world (those more fit for the ancient world show up in the NBA and NFL.)

We will see a day when "trigger words" invoke a different meaning of the word, "trigger."

Anonymous George of the Jungle March 17, 2016 9:51 AM  

@39...
Yet another useful idiot (yaui) who will never understand the difference between customs and culture.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 9:51 AM  

Gee, Golden Flowerchild is back, sans any knowledge of history as usual.

Blogger VD March 17, 2016 9:54 AM  

Ignore the troll, people. Don't touch the poop.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 17, 2016 9:54 AM  

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Based on what many call beauty, I'm guessing many be holders are blind.

This is another line that is touted as a priori just like "diversity is our strength." Beauty is objective...it's just been tough to describe the nuances between two beautiful objects and between two ugly objects.

Blogger Gaiseric March 17, 2016 9:57 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Ditto food scares at "ethnic" restaurants. Chipotle was another faint breeze.
Chipotle didn't happen because it was "ethnic." (What ethnicity is it exactly, anyway? Californian? It was founded by a guy from NYC in Denver.) Chipotle happened because it's a tutti-frutti hipster "ethically sourced" organic pretentious twaddle restaurant.

Which is a whole 'nother problem altogether.

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2016 9:59 AM  

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Truth is beauty, for those with the eyes to behold it.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 17, 2016 9:59 AM  

Bobby Farr wrote:They view that America becomes Yugolavia seems too optimistic since it assumes the American nation survives, even if only in some truncated form. We've seen zero attempt by the natives to defend their nation in 50 years. San Francisco, LA, NYC, Miami, the entire SW border - these are the observable case studies for how Americans have reacted to invasions. They happily become a tiny minority, politically irrelevant, as they are overwhelmed by barbarian hordes. They grow older in a few well off areas if they have money but are otherwise eliminated through interbreeding. They allow their culture and history to be scrubbed from public spaces or demonized. Perhaps Trump signals a last ditch attempt to prevent these examples from going nationwide but now even red state cities like Omaha and Nashville have acquired huge foreign populations (e.g., 1/3 of the population) with barely a word of complaint.

This is a defeatist statement that requires banning or an observation of reality?

I too observe the same thing. I considered myself part of the militia movement before the OKC bombing. When the FBI had a recruiting stand at the college, I approached him that if they conducted another Waco, we'll be there. I opposed the Homosexual lobby on campus. Here, now, I passed out links to my article on the Tower of Babel. No Tea Party guy accessed the article.

Cultural Marxism has a hold on this country and the minds of many! I am taking stands, going to meetings and expressing my concerns, and what I see is that the Older, white would rather commit suicide. They are not going to jeopardize their SS payments. Everyone is afraid of being called "racisss". I've been driven off Catholic Church property for teaching on the Tower of Babel--Catholics screaming in my face, (and there are sixty million in this country). I'm engaged on forums. I'm doing everything I think of doing. Yet, there is no movement.

#4, I fear is the real possibility. I am constantly fighting, but Leftist propaganda is a lot. Too many people are soft, and softness is what breeds liberalism. Look at how many Church leaders and even the so-called "conservative" leadership are attacking Trump!

I have the fighting spirit, but many around me do not. A fighting spirit comes either by nature or by nurture and American education is about softening boys. Our culture is soft; our culture is controlled by ZOG. All the Churches where I live are Multi-Culti death cults.

We must assure a Trump victory! Cruz supporters must vote Trump to give him a clear delegate victory at the Republican convention. We must beat back ZOG and Political Correctness.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 17, 2016 10:02 AM  

@37...
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder..."

What lovely platitudes instead of logical analysis. Might as well throw in a few other feelgudz such as "Give me your tired, your poor, ...."

You globalist fascists will eagerly destroy any beauty that doesn't conform to your eye, as you've so generously and repeatedly proven these last few years.

Blogger Student in Blue March 17, 2016 10:03 AM  

@Rhetoric Man
Indeed, there have been numerous events of wars between these competing groups. However, Fred fails to take into account the REASONS for these conflicts. Human history is replete with different groups of people living side by side, intermingling, and intermarrying, and then engaging in bloody conflict. That is human nature. That doesn’t mean people ought to completely isolate themselves out of the possibility that there will be chaos between groups.

The reasons are always different, but the end result is that people clump together with other people who are like them in times of trouble.

Since the reasons are always different, you can't straight up eliminate the reasons, like you suggest. You can, however, mitigate the potential bloodshed reasonably and effectively by keeping groups as homogeneous as possible.

It really doesn’t matter in the end. IF there is an oncoming race or ethnic war, so be it. Let it happen, and things will be sorted out in the end.

The point behind this argument is to try and prevent mass bloodshed, not to just "let it happen".

Assuming that the end all and be all of “being civilized” is being technologically advanced. Furthermore, Fred enjoys his own “weird, backward, dull-witted, and useless” diversity, so I would not rely on his advice in this matter.

You're either misreading or being dishonest here. Fred is not assuming that the end all and be all is being technologically advanced, but that NOT ONLY are a lot of these imported people savage but they ALSO don't even have advanced technology. There's pretty much ZERO reason to have imported them.

There needs to be a qualifier here. Minor trouble? Major trouble? Some trouble? Little trouble? Again, Fred should talk about mixing with undesirable company.

He didn't give a qualifier because the qualifier would change based on scale.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

So you're saying these other cultures are not beautiful? Do you hate diversity???

The only astonishment would be if today's American men overall would say "Enough" and actually have the guts to carry out with their base instinct to murder their fellow man, woman, and child.

It's happening already in many small ways throughout the nation, you just don't want to see it.

Again, let it happen. God will sort it out. Western Civilization may or may not survive. It doesn't matter if this mass violence goes down, few of us here will live to see it.

You're grossly overestimating the time available.

Blogger Natalie March 17, 2016 10:03 AM  

Veritus - Jazz and things like that came from cultures existing in parallel and not blending into one muddy, undifferentiated mass. You had Harlem and the musical traditions of the Black South. Sometimes when they encountered Anglo European ideas you got things like big band swing and Southern rock. Separation makes collaboration possible.

OpenID denektenorsk March 17, 2016 10:08 AM  

As a Canadian I can tell you that the Quebecois are the cry babies of the country. Recently the mayor of Montreal shat on the 'Energy East' project which is a pipeline for crude oil from Alberta to refineries in Saint John, NB, a deep water port that has access to world markets.

Of course he came out against it because there is nothing in it for Montreal. That pretty much typifies the attitude of Quebecers to the ROC (Rest of Canada). What can we get from you? We are special unique snow flakes and you are dirty English. His argument was the environment and evil, dirty oil. At the same time the city of Montreal routinely dumps millions of galleons of untreated sewage into the Saint Lawrence river. You know, because the environment.

ALL signage must have French in a larger, more predominant placement than English. Signage in offices must be in French (even if you are actively trying to recruit English workers from outside the province). Some of the moaners get really worked up and require office task tracking/emails be in French.... If you don't do it then they call in the so called "Language Police" and the company gets a fine. I used to work for a company where the head office was in Quebec (and we were outside the "Belle Pprovince"). They tried to impose that on our office and they were told what they could do with that.

For example, if I am a English speaking person in Quebec I cannot legally order English only packaged products from outside of Quebec. National retailers (such as Best Buy) enforce this stupidity. Why? Because "French Culture". Me reading English in the privacy of my home is offensive to some Quebecer somewhere. Imagine the horror of the postal carrier who may inadvertantly see some English words as he starts his day. His entire day would be ruined!

They cry and piss and moan and get whatever they want in the interests of "national unity". Pretty much every candidate for Prime Minister panders to them in some capacity (Harper didn't and boy, they did not like that). Our current Prime Minister is from Quebec so he speaks French whenever he can (i.e. the latest visit to Washington because I'm sure tons of Americans appreciated that).

If you want the perfect example of this stupidity in action Google "Pasta Gate". A resturant was fined for not translating "Pasta" into French, despite it not being an English word. The mind boogles...

There is a reason they are a laughing stock. Because they deserve it. We have a long proud tradition of pandering to the Quebecois. In many regards we are the Sweden of North America.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 17, 2016 10:10 AM  

@VD, I'm for option 2, then 1, then 3. I'll move to Hungary or Russia rather than do #4. Although how is my homeland, Italy? They keeping the rapefugees out or at least are busing them to Germany?

As to the US being partitioned, I suggest Miami-Dade Country becomes the country of New Havana. Based on percentages, D.C. area can become the autonomous Country of Blacktopia or whatever name the Black Panthers would like, perhaps Beyonce-Zulu? Mexicans need to be sent back to go clean up their country. They need to make Mexico great. But where could be put the liberals? California is too beautiful to not remove the liberals and put them on a reservation, err, uptopian villa, but where would be a good place for them?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 10:15 AM  

Equilibria sometimes end in phase change. Today's PC-cultural-Marxist water is tomorrow's ice. Or steam.

This 50 year bender into Fantasy Land has done a fantastic job training Pavlov's Dogs to lay down and beg whenever words like bigot, racist or Nazi are spoken.

The phase change I envision is when one day the dog realizes a few things:
1. it is lesser dogs bossing him.
2. those lesser dogs intend to destroy him.
3. his obedience is his choice, not theirs.
4. he is capable of tearing them into meat chunks at will.

Anonymous BGKB March 17, 2016 10:16 AM  

The Nuclear version of this will be a grade school in Minnesota where three-quarters of the students (also 80% white, 5% 3rd world immigrant) suddenly test positive for drug resistant TB.Try keeping a lid on that one, MSM.

The week after Ben Carson said illegals are bringing measles into the US, a nurse was fired for saying the same thing with the claim it was a HIPAA violation. A lesbians's girlfriend breaking the HIPAA law via 14yo Duggar's medical records gets has no problems just like a nigger looking at week old x-rays of my patient shot DOA by a cop "on his way to church" before 3am, that went around telling people that "da xways prob da cops be lyin", while not understanding that bullets move around in the body even after a billiards explanation that an 8yo white child could understand.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

White people are the only ones with a possiblity to be born with something other than brown eyes & black hair.

Blogger Gaiseric March 17, 2016 10:18 AM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:As to the US being partitioned, I suggest Miami-Dade Country becomes the country of New Havana. Based on percentages, D.C. area can become the autonomous Country of Blacktopia or whatever name the Black Panthers would like, perhaps Beyonce-Zulu? Mexicans need to be sent back to go clean up their country. They need to make Mexico great. But where could be put the liberals? California is too beautiful to not remove the liberals and put them on a reservation, err, uptopian villa, but where would be a good place for them?
I think we could set up liberal reservations throughout much of New England. The rest of the country won't (too much) miss not going to New England anyway. You're right about California and the PNW, though. Those places are too beautiful to be given to the liberals.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 10:21 AM  

And that is the false proposition: "Diversity". Those claiming the USA is a propositional country will then say it is about diversity.
That is why they can't see Islam as a threat.
Diversity means in practice that a "fair" competition can't favor the strong over the weak, the knowledgeable over the ignorant, the wise over the foolish, the smart over the dumb, the rational over the irrational, the sane over the crazy, and virtue over vice.
It destroys itself when one group doesn't value this "diversity" and uses lethal means.

Blogger dienw March 17, 2016 10:22 AM  

@ Wheeler
Exactly! That has been my argument since I've been commenting on this site. America is a Novus Ordo and this Novus Ordo is committing Suicide from the beginning. It is a "theocracy" of sorts but it isn't traditional orthodox Christianity.

Wheeler, your ancestors should have migrated to South America where your "orthodox 'Christianity'" holds sway; perhaps you would have been happier; however you would probably still be here posting, but you would be doing so as a wetback; then we would recognize you for what you are: unassimulatable. Same goes you sunsets.

Blogger Escoffier March 17, 2016 10:24 AM  

Funny how the Left-cult *LOVES* diversity yet their first "fix" for today's problems is to get everyone to interbreed, rendering the future a uniform shade of mud.

I like to call that the Mocha Genocide.

Blogger Escoffier March 17, 2016 10:27 AM  

There will never be any harmony until this is resolved. But how to resolve it?

Liberia II

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 10:40 AM  

@61 ???? "unassimulable?" Too hilarious.
I'm related to this guy:
http://www.public.coe.edu/historyweb/alumni_stewart_robert.htm

Comments sections rarely get this entertaining for me.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 17, 2016 10:42 AM  

Fred Reed's most recent article comments on the likely result of all this diversity. His idea sounds a heck of a lot like VD's option #4 http://fredoneverything.org/betting-on-gray-sludge-what-fun/

"That leaves gray-sludge-and-twilight. The cultural level will continue to fall as waves of intellectually illiterate graduates pour from the universities. Schools of engineering and science will mostly resist enstupidation–the definite integral will prove an absolute barrier to affirmative action–but liberal studies, the heart of civilization, will remain dead. Hostility and perhaps mini-wars will erupt between Americans and the Somalis, Moslems, and Guatemalans brought in by the DC-NYC axis, but these will probably be inconclusive. Christianity will be reduced to a low level, though Judaism and Islam will flourish as their adherents have the will to prevent suppression.
The economy will continue its slide while the rich, no longer attached to any particular country, will become stupefyingly rich. (Someone recently paid $172 million for a Modigliani). If things go bad in Manhattan, they can easily move to the south of France.
I do not see how civil unrest (it won’t be civil) can fail to arise. Comfortable people, which white Americans still barely are, do not readily clash with others. But comfort dwindles. The young now often have to live with their parents. People with advanced degrees work as baristas at Starbucks. Universities use “adjunct professors,” academic migrant workers, to lower pay and avoid providing benefits. Many companies hire people as “individual contractors,” likewise to avoid paying benefits. Large numbers who want to work are on food stamps and unemployment."

Anonymous Quartermaster March 17, 2016 10:43 AM  

@19
I can understand our stress. If only those Japs were less xenophobic they would have the blessings of favelas like Rio.

@29
There is no love lost between the Koreans and Japanese.

@56
Might I suggest central Nevada for the libtard repository? Perhaps the desert will bloom.

@59
There are many places in the Great basin where we can stow libtards. Let them build socialism there.

Blogger BunE22 March 17, 2016 10:45 AM  

@39

Down here on earth diversity isn't so rosy. Our businesses are in what one would call ghettos. The culture on the streets of black neighborhoods is one of crime, drug use, liars, and thieves. If it's not nailed down it will be stolen and even then they'll tie a rope from a car bumper around something and rip it out of the ground. We had that happen to an ATM of ours during a power failure. If you put up gates they'll do the same to those. After Superstorm Sandy they were invading homes, the news barely touched that story. Blacks never let an opportunity to commit a crime go to waste.

Black also will not turn their own in for criminal behavior. A stray bullet that killed a young girl in her home took multiple pleas and a 25k reward before the guilty party was turned in to the police. Snitches get stitches is the street code. They're big on dog fighting. Homes that are empty get broken into by squatters who fill the toilet with shit and then move on to filling the tub. If you buy that house you need a hazmat suit to clean it up.

Now the Spanish speaking people have moved in. They brought MS-13 and cock fighting. Oh, and animal sacrifice for Santeria. We found a goat that had gotten out of someone's yard and gave it to a petting zoo. I found chickens too and gave them to a farmer I know. You're supposed to have a permit for farm animals on Long Island, I'm sure these people don't get permits. There have been animals parts found in NYC parks, most likely from sacrifices.

I couldn't care less about their music or food, not when these cultures make society as a whole more dangerous. The US had knocked out TB but now it's back thanks to diversity. We had bed bug infestations in movie theaters. There's now a super louse that doesn't die from regular lice treatments. I could go on. Diversity is not as wonderful as you think it is. There is no competing with that, not unless you want to lower yourself to being a gutter rat too They can keep their culture - in their country.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 10:58 AM  

@67 Don't know what your problem is.

“You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” said Harris. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school? You have to look at it from his point-of-view.”
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/03/11/teen-burglary-suspect-killed-homeowner/

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 17, 2016 11:00 AM  

VD wrote:There will never be any harmony until this is resolved. But how to resolve it?

There are four options:

1. Partition

2. Ethnic Cleansing and deportation

3. Mass murder

4. Surrender and gradual suicide



In America the different nations within the borders will pick different options.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 17, 2016 11:03 AM  

`` California is too beautiful to not remove the liberals and put them on a reservation, err, uptopian villa, but where would be a good place for them?''

Liberals have value - as soil amendments. You grind them up, I'll pump them onto my fields and disk them in. See? Liberals can fit in anywhere!

Anonymous fish March 17, 2016 11:05 AM  

68. dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 10:58 AM

Its getting to where all of these look like they've been torn from "The Onion".


The sister of the teen who died identified him as Trevon Johnson. She said he was a student at D. A. Dorsey Technical College.

“I don’t care if she have her gun license or any of that. That is way beyond the law… way beyond,” said Johnson’s cousin Nautika Harris. “He was not supposed to die like this. He had a future ahead of him. Trevon had goals… he was a funny guy, very big on education, loved learning.”


Treyvon....? You have to be shitting me!

Anonymous F.P. March 17, 2016 11:08 AM  

For the love of God stop naming your children Trayvon!

Blogger praetorian March 17, 2016 11:08 AM  

It doesn't matter if this mass violence goes down, few of us here will live to see it.

Are you a faggot?

If not, do you have children?

Anonymous Baseball Savant March 17, 2016 11:10 AM  

Winter is coming.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 11:11 AM  

It is happening but will accelerate especially when the world financial system collapses, (minimal, Weimar was financial grid-down), assuming we don't have a terrorist or cyber attack.

1. Partition
Happening now, the only question is why aren't more conservatives, Christians, etc. NOT moving out of the diversity havens. Sort of like Libertarians who want to live in California or New York and then complain about the horrible regulations, don't whine that your place is "vibrant", find a place that isn't.

2. Ethnic Cleansing and deportation
Detroit was ethnically cleansed of non-blacks, voluntarily if you assume crime and regulation aren't methods. Several other cities too. The yellow cross town school bus did the major portion when federal judges experimented in the late 1960's. Don't assume the minorities aren't actively trying to do cleansing and deportation. And with the propaganda, how many children does the average white liberal family in blue states (or even any European nation) have? None dare call it dysgenics or genocide.

3. Mass murder
Just because it is slow and dispersed doesn't mean it isn't mass murder. What was Paris and San Bernadino?

4. Surrender and gradual suicide
I don't think it will be either gradual or technically suicide. But if you aren't prepared or willing to fight you've already surrendered since there won't be any alternative.

Blogger praetorian March 17, 2016 11:13 AM  

Treyvon....? You have to be shitting me!

Just he a good boy my shit up.

Blogger John Wright March 17, 2016 11:20 AM  

"No nation without homogeneity. "

Allow me to propose that is not the propositional nature of the proposition nation that is the source of the problem, but the national nature of the nation.

In earlier times, multinational empires were the norm. The imperial languages were Greek and Latin in the Roman Empire, but the vulgar still spoke their local tongue, and had local shrines to their local saints. Only the Church was universal. Even after the Empire in the West fell, the federal structure of having local kings allegedly owing fealty to a universal emperor was maintained. The USA is an attempt to revisit some of the elements of the Roman Empire and the post-imperial Catholic world order, albeit with Enlightenment propositions of equality rather than Catholicism as the shared cultus.

Nationalism is too abstract for me, because nations are too big.

One's loyalty should be first to one's own province, and later to larger and more universal institutions.

We should start a new political movement with a new name, even more nationalistic than nationalism.

I propose Provincialism.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man March 17, 2016 11:21 AM  

“The degeneration of man is one of the saddest truths of history…”

And it will continue to be truth, depending on how one defines “degeneration of man”.

“we can either resist it by defending higher culture or we can go the way of the romans.”


Therein lies the problem. You may believe that Western Civilization is “higher culture”, while others believe Asian civilization is "higher culture".

“Beauty is objective...it's just been tough to describe the nuances between two beautiful objects and between two ugly objects.”

You just intellectually shat on yourself. Beauty has criteria, but how that criteria is applied renders it subjective.

“You can, however, mitigate the potential bloodshed reasonably and effectively by keeping groups as homogeneous as possible.”

America is homogeneous from this point of view--those people who reside within its borders and are citizens are Americans, which is a homogenous group. Breaking down its citizens into race, ethnicity, and religion, yes, American is heterogenous. Always has been that way.

“but that NOT ONLY are a lot of these imported people savage but they ALSO don't even have advanced technology. “

No, these people are not “savage”. Now, they may lack advanced technology, but that is only one aspect of “civilization”.

“So you're saying these other cultures are not beautiful? Do you hate diversity???”

Every culture in somebody’s eyes is beautiful. Collectively, when enough like-minded people agree that several cultures are beautiful, then they believe in diversity.

“You're grossly overestimating the time available.”

You nor I don’t know exactly how much time is left, one can claim a decade, while another can claim 100 years. We will find out for certain when this race war occurs.

“In America the different nations within the borders will pick different options.”


It’s possible, but not probable. I wouldn’t bet on it.

Blogger bob k. mando March 17, 2016 11:21 AM  

1. Escoffier March 17, 2016 8:09 AM
I will freely admit that I bought into the whole Statue of Liberty deal. What astounded me when I began questioning the verities of immigration was how thin and shallow every single argument was.



that's what the current educational system is designed for:
13 years of indoctrination to teach you to never question the narrative.




12. WinstonWebb March 17, 2016 8:32 AM
"Diversity is the only way to bring new ideas to the company."



because asserting that straight, white men are incapable of inventing "new ideas" on the basis of their sexual preferences, skin color and sex is in no way cis-phobic, racist or sexist.


how EVER did we get nukes and go to the moon without the contributions of lesbian transgenders of color?


23. BGKB March 17, 2016 8:57 AM
Bring me tired, poor, huddled masses of wretched refuse always sounded like an odd idea to me, especially since it was written before welfare.



it was written at the height of the Industrial Age.

view it as a call for unskilled, low wage, compliant ( near ) slave labor that can be fed into the maw of the machine and it makes perfect sense.

https://influencepeinturecinema.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/metropolis-2.jpg




55. denektenorsk March 17, 2016 10:08 AM
ALL signage must have French in a larger, more predominant placement than English.



more relevant, no signs in Quebec are required to have English. try driving down the road.

Quebec was an early adopter of the "demand privileges by claiming they are equality" whining strategy. in the 20th century.



to the article proper:

on the one hand, Fred lurves him some Mexican chicas and says that Messicans are great for the jobs that Muricans just won't do and there's no problem with them going to the US and they're every bit as advanced ( mentally and morally ) as Murican anglos ( literally dozens of articles to this effect ).

on the other hand, Fred notes that societal mixing causes strife and he includes 'brown' people amongst the "more weird, backward, dull-witted, useless, and inassimilable civilizational disasters".

how to square this circle?

on the one hand, Fred asserts that anglo ex-pat communities in Mexico are awesome and cheap.

on the other hand, Fred asserts that "The human animal is hard-wired to be hostile to other groups, to strangers, to intruders. It is the dog-pack instinct. This limbic paranoia manifests itself all through life."


how to square this circle?


Fred complains about institutionalized American stupidity about race relations. indeed, has spent much of his career talking about it ...

but lives his life ... in opposition to the very principles that he himself publicly espouses and castigates other Americans for failing to recognize?

how to square this circle?


Fred occasionally has some really good things to say. but Fred is also full on Boomer solipsist, willfully ignoring the things he doesn't want to see. to say that he's excellent at refusing to take responsibility? that goes without saying.

Anonymous BGKB March 17, 2016 11:23 AM  

Because of the lifting of the HIV travel ban in 2009 there is now drug resistant AIDS in the US. So many are happy to lay about on social security disability while taking $2,000-$5,000 a month of HIV medication, but if the drug resistant strain spreads it will be the 80s again.

"That leaves gray-sludge-and-twilight. The cultural level will continue to fall as waves of intellectually illiterate graduates pour from the universities

In yesterdays thread there is an argument about scold being a 12grade word or a first grade word, when in fact its both.
https://www.flocabulary.com/1st-grade-vocabulary-word-list/ Rusty, Scold, Scratch... Weed...Yank

Might I suggest central Nevada for the libtard repository? Perhaps the desert will bloom.

I second New England without food stamps/heating assistance.

68 “You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” said Harris

That was as bad as the Virginia homeowner called racist for shooting a 16yo drunk black that broke into his window at 3am. The family said the house several blocks away looks like theirs and he must have thought he was home(i guess they don't use the front door), obviously if he thought he was home seeing a white guy in his underwear coming out of his mom's bedroom wouldn't not have had the drunk 16yo reacting negatively.

Treyvon....? You have to be shitting me! I see your Treyvon and raise you. Dam I should have archived the crime news story of Shitivous Cook an armed robber because its not searchable, did anyone save it. His name was the perfect argument against people claiming name resume bias.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 March 17, 2016 11:30 AM  

@55 In point of fact Quebec is doing it right. They rabidly defend their culture, something the left here in the US does, and something the sane people should be doing if they weren't brainwashed with Tolerance.

I can understand our stress. If only those Japs were less xenophobic they would have the blessings of favelas like Rio.

The Japanese are masters of cultural appropriation. A whole village of Japanese designed their town to look like Sweden. There are Japanese B-sylers, that pretend they are black. They have sexual fetishes from every corner of the globe plus their own. They are masters as taking nearly any invention and iteratively improving it.

What they don't do however is bring all those people in to show them how its done.

Blogger Escoffier March 17, 2016 11:31 AM  

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Blogger John Wright March 17, 2016 11:34 AM  

"Those claiming the USA is a propositional country will then say it is about diversity."

What are you talking about? I am one of that crazy enemies of yours who says America is a Propositional Nation. It is the sole nation in history not based on race, but based on a philosophy of the Rights of Man. Those who join the country must adhere to the philosophy, even as those who join the Church must adhere to the dogmas. America was an experiment that trusted the people on their own, without a thought police force, to enforce the consensus.

"Diversity" is a commie introduction, the idea that other philosophies and other cultures should enter America and destroy the American philosophy.

The Alt Right discussions of somehow creating a version of American based on bloodline might as well be howling at the moon for all the good it will do them. America is like a Church, not like a nation: the glue binding us in not race, but a shared philosophy of limited government, legal equality, self-reliance, property rights, and Christian virtues.

The Cultural Marxists hate all those things and have been working diligently to destroy them. Flooding us with foreigners,and discouraging assimilation, is one of those means.

The problem is not the foreigners. The problem is the Leftists among us. Without them, our laws would permit skilled foreigners who want to become Americans to come here, and no one else.

My ancestor were German and they became American. I am an American, moreso certainly than Vox, who neither lives here nor adheres to the American philosophy.

Now, certainly English-speakers in times past were easier to assimilate, since the American ideas was an English idea. Modern Englishmen, no. They are socialist dogs. I say close the border to all immigration for at least a generation.

Americanism and Diversity are direct and exact opposites.

Anonymous BGKB March 17, 2016 11:41 AM  

Sorry I misspelled Shitavious as Shitivious, the internet didn't hide it.
http://herald-review.com/news/local/three-including--year-old-formally-charged-with-murder-in/article_505519d4-daa0-11e0-b101-001cc4c03286.html
Shitavious J. Cook, 15, was arraigned Thursday morning on his charges, punishable by up to life imprisonment.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 17, 2016 11:45 AM  

So nice to have a break from the ugliness of the campaign to talk about cheery subjects.

Oh, right. The ugliness of the campaign is the cheerful option. It's how we avoid the worst of this.

There are many places in the Great basin where we can stow libtards. Let them build socialism there.

Make the Basin great again.

Blogger CarpeOro March 17, 2016 11:53 AM  

"
Treyvon....? You have to be shitting me! I see your Treyvon and raise you. Dam I should have archived the crime news story of Shitivous Cook an armed robber because its not searchable, did anyone save it. His name was the perfect argument against people claiming name resume bias."

I'll raise you, one you can still look up. Malice Green. Back in the days when I listened to local talk radio shows, one of which was the only place to hear the cops' side.

NOUN

the intention or desire to do evil; ill will:
"I bear no malice toward anybody"
synonyms: spite · malevolence · ill will · vindictiveness ·
[more]
law
wrongful intention, especially as increasing the guilt of certain offenses.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 17, 2016 12:05 PM  

I am one of that crazy enemies of yours who says America is a Propositional Nation. It is the sole nation in history not based on race, but based on a philosophy of the Rights of Man

You can't say that with a straight face while looking at the current crop of immigrants, the vast majority of which don't dive a damn about the Rights of Man.

We can debate whether or not the idea of a Propositional Nation could work, but the debate would be moot because it's a one-way proposition these day: we pretend they believe in the same philosophy as us and they rip us off with groupist behavior. Whether Italian immigrants in 1910 contributed or detracted from the country, our modern Propositional-Americans aren't upholding their end of the proposition.

I know you - me, probably Vox too - would all like to believe our ideas are so great, so uplifting and wonderful, that they draw the best out in all those exposed to them. The evidence is to the contrary - some people are ennobled by our ideals, but the ideals are lost on most and are since ideals are the product of society, as we invite them into our society, they are increasingly destroying those ideals. But to see that requires us to accept that our ideals are not infallible, and that they are not in fact the universal aspiration of mankind.

Many people don't want to accept that. You're better versed in religious matters than me, but isn't that the sin of pride?

Blogger Student in Blue March 17, 2016 12:09 PM  

@John Wright
Nationalism is too abstract for me, because nations are too big.

One's loyalty should be first to one's own province, and later to larger and more universal institutions.


I believe you are misconstruing a nation with a country. That will affect the rest of your position.

@Rhetoric Man
No, these people are not “savage”. Now, they may lack advanced technology, but that is only one aspect of “civilization”.

You're still completely missing the point.

If they are completely foreign, and that difference causes strife, and there's no material benefits to having them IMMEDIATELY IN THE AREA then why is importing them so blastedly important?

Anonymous Jack Amok March 17, 2016 12:12 PM  

I will further submit John, that if the proposition is that we shall all band together - regardless of race, creed or color - to observe the Rights of Man and hold the Rights of Man to be what unifies our civilization, then an essential part of that proposition is that we shall commit to defending one another against those who would attempt to destroy that civilization.

No matter how enthusiastically an immigrant may believe in the Rights of Man, if they fail to defend their fellow Americans from immigrants who do not believe in those same rights, they are failing the proposition.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 17, 2016 12:12 PM  

BGKB
Drug Resistant TB costs

dc.sunsets
This. Wait until the bubble bursts (yes, it's been "Alien-pregnant" for years); Ebola was a faint breeze, the hurricane is coming. Mix one part antibiotic pan-resistance with immigration from the tropics and season with pervasive low-IQ and a little three-families-to-the-Section-8-house.

Donated blood the other day. Used to be all they asked was questions relating to Hep and HIV. Now there's questions having to do with Chagras, some bacterial and now Zika. Zika? Looked it up on my phone.

Zika used to be confined to a small section of Africa. Now it's all over South America and the Carib. It's bound to get into the SE US if not already there, as it's spread mainly by mosquitos. The virus can also be found in semen, thus spread sexually. There's no treatment beyond pallative care. It appears to be associated with microcephalic birth defects. There's no vaccine. And this is with the hyped up medical systems we have now, pre-crash.

Thanks, globalization. Heck of a job.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 17, 2016 12:24 PM  

"I will further submit John, that if the proposition is that we shall all band together - regardless of race, creed or color - to observe the Rights of Man and hold the Rights of Man to be what unifies our civilization, then an essential part of that proposition is that we shall commit to defending one another against those who would attempt to destroy that civilization."

Yeah. That's worked so well, hasn't it. The stuff of delusion.

Blogger VD March 17, 2016 12:43 PM  

The Alt Right discussions of somehow creating a version of American based on bloodline might as well be howling at the moon for all the good it will do them. America is like a Church, not like a nation: the glue binding us in not race, but a shared philosophy of limited government, legal equality, self-reliance, property rights, and Christian virtues.

That glue does not exist any longer. That's my entire point: the "Church, not a nation" concept has completely and utterly failed.

And from its failure, multiple nations will be born.

Blogger VD March 17, 2016 12:47 PM  

Fred occasionally has some really good things to say. but Fred is also full on Boomer solipsist, willfully ignoring the things he doesn't want to see. to say that he's excellent at refusing to take responsibility? that goes without saying.

The usual macro-micro conflation. He denies the macro facts that would make his personal life less comfortable.

Anonymous BGKB March 17, 2016 12:53 PM  

Zika used to be confined to a small section of Africa... The virus can also be found in semen, thus spread sexually. There's no treatment beyond pallative care. It appears to be associated with microcephalic birth defects

Zika and Chagas are both life long drug eating diseases(the kind pharma companies love). Zika was never associated with microcephaly before, if it was "charities" would have been pimping the pics back when they pimped the "limbs cut off kids" pics. There is some uncertainty on microcephaly coming from pesticides in south America, better medical care allowing microcephalic patients that would have been miscarried in Africa, or a genetic based different reaction to the virus(Kind of like how the H_N_ series of viruses tore up mestizos but not whites). Remember Small Pox had a mortality rate for whites of 30% when it was eradicated so no sane white person would purposely spread it, even with a higher mortality rate for Indians.

Donated blood the other day. Thanks for that. I can't believe people fought to lift the gay blood ban last year. I can still claim the anthrax vaccine prevents donation.

Anonymous Michael Maier March 17, 2016 12:54 PM  

"My ancestor were German and they became American. I am an American, moreso certainly than Vox, who neither lives here nor adheres to the American philosophy. "

"You VILL believe in our propaganda machine!!!"

Screw the Krauts.

They're hardly doing a good job preserving themselves and their posterity there. I expect no help from them here.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 17, 2016 12:58 PM  

John Wright makes MY CASE!

John Wright wrote:"Those claiming the USA is a propositional country will then say it is about diversity."

What are you talking about? I am one of that crazy enemies of yours who says America is a Propositional Nation. It is the sole nation in history not based on race, but based on a philosophy of the Rights of Man. Those who join the country must adhere to the philosophy, even as those who join the Church must adhere to the dogmas. America was an experiment that trusted the people on their own, without a thought police force, to enforce the consensus.

"Diversity" is a commie introduction, the idea that other philosophies and other cultures should enter America and destroy the American philosophy.

The Alt Right discussions of somehow creating a version of American based on bloodline might as well be howling at the moon for all the good it will do them. America is like a Church, not like a nation: the glue binding us in not race, but a shared philosophy of limited government, legal equality, self-reliance, property rights, and Christian virtues.


It is not philosophy but Sophistry! America is built on Masonic Sophistry. John Wright proves my case. This is what I'm talking about. America is a propositional country, a Novus Ordo. The Cure is returning to the Old Order, that nations are based on race; on returning to Christendom and Catholicism. The WASPs, in their hatred of Catholicism, went to Masonry and adopted their ideas--and now Great Britain and America are both suffering from this Novus Ordo. When you reject Catholicism, you reject Jesus Christ, and you adopt Error!

The Suicide of America is in the DNA of Americanism called Freemasonry. Freemasonry and Bolshevism carry the same thing. Modern Republicanism ended Western Civilization; America is a Modern republic. Hegel ended Western Culture. Hegel was a Kabbalist. Most if not all modern Thought can be traced to Hegel. We live in Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevist culture. America is part of the Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevist culture and Protestantism is the carrier of this! America's Masonic "Melting Pot" melds with Cultural Marxism; this is why it is called Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism. That is what Americanism is.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 17, 2016 1:00 PM  

BGKB
I can't believe people fought to lift the gay blood ban last year.

Did it get lifted? One of the usual questions was "Have you had any sexual activity with a man since 1977?' but maybe out here in flyover the blood banks haven't submitted to the new rule yet?

Anonymous Red Pilled by the ugly data March 17, 2016 1:11 PM  

@5 Exactly this ...

@8 I've been thinking about this, for France, Britain, and the US. We need to retain enough of them and enough control over the food supply to ensure that they are not used against us. It has been less than a year since I realized just how much they hate us. If they can use them against us without consequence, they will. I don't think the Communists back in the day actually hated us as a people/civilizational-realm as much as the globalists and radical leftists do. They want us broken, dead, and gone, as the last serious impediment to the glorious utopia they are building.

Blogger James Dixon March 17, 2016 1:17 PM  

> I am glad that the United States has so many different cultures.

Except for the white southern or Appalachian ones. You can live without those, right?

From the Trevon article:

“What’s wrong with her,” asked Johnson’s sister Nisha Johnson. “She did not have to shoot him.”

Yeah, a 54 year old woman facing a probably fully grown 17 year old. But she didn't have to shoot him. There are words to describe a 54 year old woman facing a grown 17 year old without a gun. Those words are "dead" or "hospitalized in critical condition".

Blogger VD March 17, 2016 1:22 PM  

I am an American, moreso certainly than Vox, who neither lives here nor adheres to the American philosophy.

American 2.0, sure. But definitely not American 1.0.

Propositionals can argue until they're blue in the face that Thinking Correct Thoughts makes one a Real American. But the concept was always a myth, and it is now an observably failed myth.

Which brings us back to blood nations. And unfortunately, given the scale of the invasion, one has to assume rather a lot of it will be spilled. What could make it particularly nasty is that DNA now makes it possible to root out ethnic pretenders.

Blogger pyrrhus March 17, 2016 1:23 PM  

@98 Yes... There is going to be a major food crisis in the next 30 years, maybe sooner, with less than a dozen countries currently able to feed themselves. The US and Canada are the major producers, and we need to have politicians who will protect this asset, which is currently diminishing everywhere due to destruction of topsoil, aquifers, and farm land in general....

Anonymous Red Pilled by the ugly data March 17, 2016 1:29 PM  

@56 "As to the US being partitioned..."

The southern edge of the Florida panhandle would make a great place for another wall.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 17, 2016 2:01 PM  

@78... With subjective truth all definitions are theoretically possible, thus allowing the powerful to make sure their definitions are more possible than others.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 2:05 PM  

@84 - It depends whom is defining "diversity" and "American". And you are generally not the person doing it.

You are correct in that America was founded on philosophy, in fact on right reason and natural law itself, however that came out of Anglo culture. The French had their revolution and it was even more purely philosophical and it ended up in the reign of terror. Europe was closer to the enlightenment, but they rejected Christianity and France was a Catholic country - and the priests were guillotined. In America, it was the Protestant "Black Robe Regiment" that ignited the revolution.

The words of the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and all the rest have been available for over 200 years. The proposition can thus be copied by anyone. It is "open source". Why has no country in Africa or Asia done so? Liberia was from returned US Slaves. Even in Europe they won't copy it. It offers liberty and prosperity. It works. But people prefer something else. Are there any libertarians in Japan, Korea, or China?

Go to any US Citizen and ask them what it means to be "American". I doubt if even 20% might mention philosophy and Rights, and of those maybe a quarter might describe Rights in a way that doesn't include health-care.

Your "Americans" are either extinct or unicorns in the deep blue areas. Even many in the Red areas don't get it - and of those who do, more than half are dispensationalist (note: not Cruz Dominionist) protestant Christians would sacrifice a restored constitutional USA to preserve Israel. At best there is a shadow of your version of "American" is some kind of diaspora. I'm in a concentration, but it is a low population density area.

Except there might be an IQ and time-preference bias, I don't think it is pure genetics - the same genes were in Britain and the Colonies, and the USA wasn't the only colony. Why is Canada ex-Quebec not nearly identical? Environment is a catch-all, but I don't think we realize that we can't just take a newborn and form him according to a plan because we cannot define the plan. It is the thousand little things that the Colonists did - what they wrote and spoke about, and how they acted, and the common unspoken understanding of balancing individuality and community at each ring of subsidiarity. That cannot be recreated in any large city in the USA. You can homeschool, but that must be an island unless you are in an area where the dominant culture is Christians specifically desiring a return to the original Constitution. I moved to an area where it is reasonably close to that, but how many will actually move where the action is defensive rather than trying to transform a lot of people who do not wish to change?

Blogger Gaiseric March 17, 2016 2:09 PM  

John Wright wrote:What are you talking about? I am one of that crazy enemies of yours who says America is a Propositional Nation. It is the sole nation in history not based on race, but based on a philosophy of the Rights of Man. Those who join the country must adhere to the philosophy, even as those who join the Church must adhere to the dogmas. America was an experiment that trusted the people on their own, without a thought police force, to enforce the consensus.
That's actually not true at all. All it takes is a relatively casual perusal of the writings of the Founding Fathers, and even their successors on the questions of Chinese, Irish, Italian and other immigration waves of the past to see that America was always a genetic nation. The proposition is what separated America from Great Britain; but it certainly never claims that America isn't both genetically and culturally a subset of British culture. It always was. And to a great degree, even now, it still is.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 2:11 PM  

@84, cont.

The problem is parallel to your complaint against the Anarcho-Libertarians. There are lots of not-nice people - "Morlocks", so you cannot have zero government, and you need a culture, an ethos to reinforce traditional Christian family values. And you have to be willing to do what is necessary to eject or otherwise get rid of the Morlocks (Vox's 1-3 on the list).

There are approximately 330 Million citizens of the United States. To take your definition of "American", it is probably less than 20 Million.
So what do you do? It is difficult to turn the Morlocks into Eloi. But even threatening the Morlocks causes problems. Half pay no income tax. Half get government checks.

Catholicism is also propositional, but how many do you know do frequent confession or understand transubstantiation at all much less that it is a dogma? Are those going to Church really Catholic?

To be a Catholic or an American, you must think like one. And that is not just a quick proposition. The least philosophical and least educated farmer in the states in 1800 was more American than the Originalist Constitutional scholars today. Today it requires a lot of study and philosophy to become American - or Catholic because the facade is also called by the same name, but means something different.

If you want to be an American, you must be a historian and philosopher. And few want to learn the real history, and have a hard enough time with simple logic. Children within an existing American area can acquire much by osmosis, which is why it takes a generation or two. But do the existing un-Americans want to bother with history and philosophy? Or put differently, if I said if you don't know the history and philosophy, you aren't American (which I think is what the discussion about Sarah Hoyt turns on) the response would be "but I say the Creed!". And I would simply point out that if you don't both understand fully and believe passionately in the Creed, you are no more American than a parrot that has been trained to say the same thing.

Speaking of Novus Ordo Saeculorum, the parallel with "Spirit of Vatican II" un-Catholics is close. You know what it means to be an American and a Catholic, so are both. But what about the large majority that are just in the Pews because they want "Social Justice"? Or the immigrants who are here for economic freedom but like gun-control, the war on drugs, and Medicare.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 17, 2016 2:13 PM  

@67...
The reality of diversity means that sooner or later only the lowest common denominator of coarse, brutal culture survives...

cue mohammedism entrance stage left.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 17, 2016 2:24 PM  

@83...
No government in the world can write enough laws to cover every aspect of life and furthermore enforce them on every citizen.

That is the whole point of a predominate ethnicity with traditionalist monoculture, to build and maintain trusted interpersonal relationships on a daily basis including dealing with minor breakdowns, all without the necessity of government interference.

Blogger Gaiseric March 17, 2016 2:37 PM  

Considering the degree to which the American nation has always been traditionally anti-Catholic—until sufficient numbers of foreign aliens came to America to reverse that centuries long tradition—it's a bit ironic to see comparisons and even open calls among the peanut gallery here for America to embrace a Catholic paradigm in order to preserve its American-ness.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 17, 2016 2:48 PM  

@35...
Here's how to speed VD option #1 along: write an executive order that all blacks on any form of government assistance must move to Michigan in order to keep the freebies flowing. This includes all blacks employed by government, and all direct family members. They will have one year to make the move, and every moving company that takes part will get federal contracts to enable the migration. After that year, all government assistance/employment will cease except in that state, and any blacks subsequently arrested elsewhere and found to be unemployed will be forcibly relocated. Any attempt at travel by blacks from Michigan to other states will require an internal visa, which will be granted only for quick purposes of potential business or employment. For the maybe 5% of blacks still remaining in all other states, it will behoove them to fit into the predominate white culture as much as possible.

It's a worthwhile tradeoff: billions of welfare can be funneled to keep them fat and happy in a safe space of their own making, leaving the rest of us to have a bright modern future by rebuilding a meritocratic society. Finally, the centuries-old never-ending negro problem in this country will be solved to the benefit of all.

Blogger Lovekraft March 17, 2016 2:53 PM  

d.c. sunsets: "When you separate them all, then mix them together (like at a Sherwin-Williams paint store) you get an ugly shade of brown, what most people would characterize as a complete absence of aesthetically-pleasing color."

or ... how much chocolate syrup do you add to milk before it is no longer 'milk-y'?

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2016 2:53 PM  

@109:

My own paternal ancestors came here in order to keep reading God's Bible, rather than be forced to read the King's, so I tend to get a bit bemused when American's tout the King James as the one true.

Once upon a time we ran the Anglicans off to Canada.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 2:59 PM  

@105 - this is an attempt to try to split off culture, morality, religion, and philosophy from genetics. While in a strict sense it is correct, except for "The Bell Curve" problem (you need a lot of smart people, and they tend to be 2+SD, which means white or Asian and male).

An immigrant brings more than their genes with them. It is impossible to do otherwise excepting the adoption of newborns.

Perhaps the simple man/woman dichotomy can make this easier to understand. Women's suffrage occurred in Wyoming in 1869. This was not an error or a problem as the women who were capable of surviving, much less thriving in an area with mountains, deserts, and blizzards with Native Americans and various fauna that desired your death were very different from the prissy snowflake tea-room ladies back in New York. Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Katy Stanton could have just moved to Wyoming if they wanted to vote. They didn't. They were tough, but the problem is giving women as a whole suffrage ruined everything because of the "vote largess from the public purse" problem is a greater temptation for women, especially those who didn't have to struggle and fight to survive. The 17th (yes, 17th, not 19th) Amendment just accelerated the process. Democracy is a mob, and there's none worse than a flock of hens.

I suspect it was that the original levelers back in England wasn't a disaster that nothing was written into the constitution to require some minimal ownership of property in order to vote or some other mechanism like the literacy tests in the Jim Crow south.

You cannot have both universal suffrage and preserve being an "American". Women and men will vote differently, and those votes will restructure the government. All native born. All of the same blood. All of the same culture and environment.

If you cannot even preserve it when adding good women, how can you possibly assimilate someone who deviates from your worldview and philosophy and intellect and background more than your own wife or mother?

I will concede one point in that there are many who are Americans - 1.0 - in heart and mind if not genetically, but they tend to be a minority of the minority. To say that 2-3% of blacks are or can become Americans is more to make the point rather than refute it. That is actually more than the number of minorities in my area or perhaps in the state. If you are the only black in an area going Galt, you aren't going to last long going ghetto. Clarence Thomas would fit in. Tyler Perry, not so much. But Thomas doesn't fit in any black culture.

If you want an "America" like 1.0, it will be 40-60% Anglo, and 80% of the remainder will be of Northern-European ancestry. For whatever reason, Scottish Calvinism, Quakers, and other non-conformists came from England. English v.s. Roman law - import those who copied Roman law, and the law becomes more Roman as they don't see anything amiss.

It might be equal opportunity, but not everyone is equally suited to live under the American 1.0 paradigm, and of those who are, few are willing to study and understand the full meaning before moving and instructing their children. A large number of early 1900s immigrants returned instead of becoming citizens. They don't do it today, but try to make the host country adapt and change.

Paul describes the Gentiles as being a wild vine grafted onto the Israel tree. And I think that defines it. The first Disciples were all Jews. But the Samaritans and Gentiles heard and believed and were converted, but even Acts shows there was a problem with distributing charity to Widows (Jewish privilege?). You can be grafted onto, adopted into America 1.0, but it means your trunk and roots are American now. I'm of Eastern European descent, but am culturally America-1.0 through intent and exercise. I understand both sides of the Federalist argument. I can't tell you what was going on in my ancestral lands at the same time.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 17, 2016 3:05 PM  

Just imagine if all our problem were an Evil hook-nosed race of inferior greedy gluttonous goblins? Its not hard to do. What if all our ills were bipedal rodents who stole our bread and poisoned our wine? What if there was no diversity? What if there were no minorities? What if Rich and Poor were both White like you and me?
You may think I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. If you want a future. You have to join the Mobile Infantry.
Destroy your enemies and all your desires will be yours. Nothing you dream of is impossible for me to accomplish.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 3:13 PM  

Can we all agree that you can't mix
-democracy (representative or otherwise)
-welfare (state "charity")
-open borders
??

No multi-ethnic society is stable if "who, whom" can be changed by majority votes.

America 1.0 largely left people alone. America 2.0 is in everyone's lives, from their thoughts to their underwear drawers, trying to equalize (some) outcomes between GROUPS of people via political coercion.

Prior to 1861 it was some people of African ancestry who were slaves. As of 1913 and everything following 1964, it is highly productive people, mostly of European and British Isle ancestry, who are enslaved.

When some work and others leech, and some people are clearly favored before the law over others, peace will be a casualty.

I find it a sad joke that blacks think they're being screwed over. If anything, they are (as a group) handed everything but the kitchen sink, yet after 50 years the square peg is still square, the hole still round.

Blogger Gaiseric March 17, 2016 3:21 PM  

kfg wrote:@109:My own paternal ancestors came here in order to keep reading God's Bible, rather than be forced to read the King's, so I tend to get a bit bemused when American's tout the King James as the one true.
As near as I can tell, my paternal ancestors came to America because King James had outlawed the traditional fighting that they had been doing on the border for centuries, and they were bored in the newly pacified Anglo-Scottish March country.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 3:22 PM  

One more failure for something merely "propositional". Most people aren't willing kill or to die just for a proposition. When you have no family or tribe that will care if you live under the original constitution or socialism, you aren't going to push it.
For the families of the original Colonists, it meant blood, literally, starting at Lexington and Concord.
This again is the Libertarian error. I can count the hard libertarians who I suspect would be willing to use a gun to defend liberty - most will whine about the NAP being violated. Many have no children.
All the Constitutional Christians I know will shoot if threatened. But they are defending their families - blood.
The Constitution itself has been described as a parchment barrier. No proposition by itself can defend itself.
And don't think the waves of immigrants aren't thinking about their families - the alien cultures are even stronger on that point, they don't have gay marriages there. They are coming here because of blood, not principle.

Blogger Gaiseric March 17, 2016 3:29 PM  

'm of Eastern European descent, but am culturally America-1.0 through intent and exercise. I understand both sides of the Federalist argument. I can't tell you what was going on in my ancestral lands at the same time.

Don't worry; you're a keeper.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 3:34 PM  

This again is the Libertarian error. I can count the hard libertarians who I suspect would be willing to use a gun to defend liberty -

You're framing the question incorrectly. A philosophical libertarian sees no way to institute a stateless society via coercion. It's an oxymoron. This is why the Libertarian Party is forever a joke. It's like running Planned Parenthood in order to end abortion.

Once instituted, men with guns would absolutely defend a stateless society from statists, by all violent means necessary. This should go without saying, if you grasp how a market-ordered society would work.

The problem is, this remains Utopian. Very few people wish to live only by the gifts with which they were born. Almost all men are born to be slaves, forever believing that by donating their honor and labor to a monopoly organization of ultimate decision-making they will get more out than they put in.

Rationalizing 2+2-1=5 is one of Mankind's biological imperatives. The Kingdom of Heaven is not of this life. If the Left-cultists and their forebears understood this, we'd all be a lot better off.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 4:06 PM  

@118 - I'm not worried, but it is because I know what it means and takes.

Another example of no assimilation is the Amish - even a different language, and their split was long ago, but because they are makers and not takers, because they behave and impose nothing, few complain except for the bureaucrats that insist on imposing Federal law. Freedom to not associate.

@119 - While I'm not sure he is correct in method, Stephen Molyneux believes that you would need two generations of ubiquitous "Peaceful Parenting" so that the entire culture would know and understand the NAP - which parallels what Vox has said about assimilation into a constitutional culture. He is the only one that clearly states the problem with trying to have an anarchy either here or in Somalia.

But I'm not so sure anarcho-libertarians would be capable or willing to defend a stateless society, especially if they would have to act collectively - if one in ten would die, then you don't want to be in that group. Note this is the critical experiment from Chapter 2 of Abolition of Man. Individual anarchists could fight individual statists, but an army of anarchists would be needed for an army of statists. Minarchists, yes, and that is a storyline from Rawles' "Land of Promise" series. The situation is that it is in everyone's collective interest to be defended, but in no specific individual's interest to do the defending.

Blogger tz March 17, 2016 4:14 PM  

@119 - Worse than that, a philosophical libertarian is unwilling to use force against a large collective of people who they know have, are, and will continue to violate the NAP.
A critical question is not how to stop violations of the NAP, but what is the response when it is violated?

Here out west, they have their own version which has worked for over 100 years.

1. Never draw first.
2. Aim at the right target.
3. Always finish the fight.

Draw instead of shoot as you don't have to wait to see if the other gun is loaded or the knife is sharp and their aim is good.
You can't just shoot someone you think did it, you must know beyond a reasonable doubt.
And you must insure that no future violations occur, though this tends to create a lot of instant winners of the Darwin award. Or did. No one breaks into anything around here, or if they do it is front page news. Even fewer get shot although everyone carries.

The answer to "your money or your life" isn't "I'll seriously ostracize you and give you bad feelz". It requires a different form of hollow point.

Anonymous BGKB March 17, 2016 4:16 PM  

BGKb I can't believe people fought to lift the gay blood ban last year. Did it get lifted? One of the usual questions was

I had to look it up, but remembered hearing about it. Its now "12 months since the last sexual contact with another man,"
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/promised-fda-lift-ban-gay-blood-donation-n357816

There are words to describe a 54 year old woman facing a grown 17 year old without a gun. Those words are "dead" or
I guess you don't catch the bad think news. Teen groids raping elderly white women is a thing.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/ohio-teen-competent-for-trial-in-rape-of-woman-90

Anonymous BGKB March 17, 2016 4:19 PM  

The NAP, this video on Uncuck the right defeats it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcUZrDX5P7A

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2016 5:12 PM  

NAP, philosophical libertarianism and such are a ditch this thread need not enter. Two tires on the soft shoulder was enough. We could go on for hours debating the angels-head-of-pin thing.

The next good thing will be aristocracy, not a libertarian or leftist Utopia, nor the Theocratic Cult's Kingdom of Heaven (Equality) of Earth. No way that happens in my lifetime. My grandkids might see it, if they live very long lives. Between now and then is some progression of
cannibal democracy
zombie democracy
military or civilian dictatorship
intermixed with a lot of border redrawing.

Anonymous Bukulu March 17, 2016 5:36 PM  

Bobby @ 28:

They view that America becomes Yugolavia seems too optimistic since it assumes the American nation survives

Huh? There IS no Yugoslavia today, that is the point.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 17, 2016 6:15 PM  

Mr. Wright sounds like one of those Ayn Rand potsmoking groupies with some lift all boats crapola going on in between dreams of riches beyond the wildest dreams of avarice. He'll probably live paycheck to paycheck his whole life waiting for his chance to get in on the illusory benefits of Capitalism. Like Dillinger said, he robbed banks cause that's where the money is. If he had been smarter he would have known the easiest way to rob a bank is to own it.
Nevertheless, what you see as tragedy I see as opportunity. We are at a nexus point in the continuum. At this point, one paradigm is dying and a new one will take its place. People wrongly assume Trump will rebuild America. He won't get the chance. Fuck America it had too many flaws and loopholes for enemies to take advantage of, and also it was way too nice. Nice can kill you around savages and primitives. They see it as weakness, and around them weakness is something you dare not show.
After this long nightmare and the horror of losing The American Dream (tm), the people will embrace anyone and anything that restores order and brings them back jobs and prosperity. Its a once in a lifetime opportunity to influence the History of All Mankind. I will build a New Order. A Thousand Year Reich just to piss on the graves of my enemies. I will make monuments to Hitler and put Swastikas in Times Square. Oh the tears will flow from the defeated when they see their worst nightmare.
Defeating them is not enough. Psychologically destroying them and outlawing their passive aggressive psychotic attacks on masculinity, race, and Patriarchy with the Fatherland will crush their spirit and ensure my Victory.
Then I can go to Europe and help cast out all non-Whites and execute the traitors publicly. I think a trial at Nuremberg for attempted Genocide will do the trick. Afterwards, I will rebuild the Holy Roman Empire. I will repair the schism between Catholics and Protestants by making a Universal Christian Church. When I am crowned Emperor, The New World Order will die! Globalism and International organizations will be outlawed on pain of Death. I think I'll make the UN Building into low rent housing for young White couples with children.

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2016 7:17 PM  

"Like Dillinger said . . ."

Willie Sutton.

Blogger SciVo March 17, 2016 7:53 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:dc.sunsets wrote:Ditto food scares at "ethnic" restaurants. Chipotle was another faint breeze.

Chipotle didn't happen because it was "ethnic." (What ethnicity is it exactly, anyway? Californian? It was founded by a guy from NYC in Denver.) Chipotle happened because it's a tutti-frutti hipster "ethically sourced" organic pretentious twaddle restaurant.


Poop in the fields is an ethnic thing.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice March 17, 2016 8:51 PM  

@56. Durandel Almiras

As to the US being partitioned ... But where could be put the liberals? ... where would be a good place for them?

Detroit.

Anonymous kfg March 17, 2016 8:54 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynY2begPzoM

Blogger Were-Puppy March 17, 2016 9:30 PM  

@56 Durandel Almiras

Based on percentages, D.C. area can become the autonomous Country of Blacktopia or whatever name the Black Panthers would like, perhaps Beyonce-Zulu?

But where could be put the liberals? California is too beautiful to not remove the liberals and put them on a reservation, err, uptopian villa, but where would be a good place for them?
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If you want to really see justice, wherever the liberals end up should be forced to pay for the DC you have envisioned. And also, soylent green instead of food stamps.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 17, 2016 9:39 PM  

@68 dc.sunsets

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/03/11/teen-burglary-suspect-killed-homeowner/
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DINDU NUFFINS gonna DINDU NUFFIN

Blogger Were-Puppy March 17, 2016 9:43 PM  

@70 Ominous Cowherd

Liberals have value - as soil amendments. You grind them up, I'll pump them onto my fields and disk them in. See? Liberals can fit in anywhere!
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You triggered me into remembering this old corny classic

"It takes all kinds of critters to make farmer Vincents fritters"

https://youtu.be/i-bRuSNSvcU

Blogger Were-Puppy March 17, 2016 9:53 PM  

@80 BGKB

Treyvon....? You have to be shitting me! I see your Treyvon and raise you. Dam I should have archived the crime news story of Shitivous Cook an armed robber because its not searchable, did anyone save it. His name was the perfect argument against people claiming name resume bias.
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Did someone order a Shitavious ?

http://herald-review.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/shitavious-cook-gets-years-in-shooting-pleas/article_280e78cd-3b32-510b-a980-6ea4f33b9a49.html

Of course, it goes without saying he DINDU NUFFIN.
He ain't Deeyut Nuffins!

Anonymous Discard March 17, 2016 9:58 PM  

I want to agree with Mr Wright. I too am not the least bit English. I am a mix of European DNA, and I did not even know what the mix was until I got a school assignment in the 8th grade and asked my parents. I did not even know the origin of my own name, so Americanized am I.
I was taught and accepted that George Washington was the Father of My Country, and through my own reading came to see Elizabeth I as my ancestral Queen, and Sir Francis Drake as one of our heroes. Though my ancestors were not of the founding generation, I can say that the founding generation let them in to settle the Northwest Territory. I have no racial or ethnic identity other than White American.

But it's not that way any more. I taught a lot of good Mexican-American kids, and I loved them, but I was finally forced into acknowledging that they were not American, and would not become American. Their primary identity is Mexican, and any slighting of Mexico or Mexican ways was a personal attack, which I learned the hard way. It's too late to try to assimilate them now. And Moslems or Chinese are entirely out of the question, being culturally and geographically far more distant than Mexicans. America has failed and it's time to try again.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 18, 2016 12:31 AM  

I don't know where people get the idea that 'civilization' is high technology; they teach it to Civil Engineers. All it means is city building; which most countries are not capable of either doing or maintaining without hiring expat civil engineers.

Rusty's Rules of Civilization:
1. Keep the Barbarians out; build a wall.
2. Keep the poop out of the food; closed plumbing. (H/T BGKB methinks).
3. Kill the pests: mosquitoes, rat's & elephants.

Plumbing is not rocket surgery:
1. If the pitch is too steep, the turds don't go.
2. If the pitch is not steep enough, the turds won't go.
3. Don't chew your finger nails.

How is it that the Mexicans still, after being adjacent to the country that put a man on the moon, cannot get indoor plumbing right? It doesn't take solving definite integrals.

I blame the metric system, the French can't get indoor plumbing right either.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 18, 2016 1:08 AM  

Its called IQ or g, generalised intelligence. Psychometric tests can predict success in learning and processing information to staggeringly levels of accuracy. The difference of one standard deviation may seem small but its enough to prevent advancement past the Bronze Age. Two standard deviations below normal and you won't get past the Stone Age. Three standard deviations and my cat is probably smarter and more clever than you.
IQ tests are normed for White populations. White get most of the highest scores. Some claim Far East Asians have a higher average or median but these countries are notorious for cheating on tests and those claims should be dubious. The far East has copied most of our technology but hardly invented anything beyond innovations of White technological inventions. This makes the claims of higher median IQ seem dubious and possibly due to cheating for the purposes of national pride.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 18, 2016 1:10 AM  

How is it that the Mexicans still, after being adjacent to the country that put a man on the moon, cannot get indoor plumbing right? It doesn't take solving definite integrals.

Well, since you asked, I'll tell you (and maybe I've told this story before, but I'm almost 50 so I guess I should start practicing being an old man retelling stories all the time).

I knew a guy when I lived in San Diego who was a sales engineer for a big firm that sold sewage treatment equipment. They sold some to the city of TJ. Shit gets broken down by bacteria. If you just have a pool of it, it'll be anaerobic bacteria, which takes a long time, smells bad, and produces pathogens. Anaerobic bacteria can live at the bottom of a pool of sewage because they don't need oxygen. Aerobic bacteria break down crap much, much faster, without the smell, and without the toxicity. But they need oxygen. If they have oxygen, they out produce the slower anaerobic bugs and take over the sludge pile.

So, one butt-simple form of sewage treatment plant basically bubbles air through the sludge so the aerobic bacteria win. But it takes about three days of bubbling before the aerobic colony will take over, and if the bubbles are shut off for more than few minutes, the colony will die.

TJ paid millions for the equipment, then staffed it with one shift of technicians. They showed up in the morning, turned the bubblers on, watched them bubble for 8 hours, then turned them off again before going home. They never understood why the gringo magic wouldn't work for them.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 18, 2016 1:39 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:

TJ paid millions for the equipment, then staffed it with one shift of technicians. They showed up in the morning, turned the bubblers on, watched them bubble for 8 hours, then turned them off again before going home. They never understood why the gringo magic wouldn't work for them


Yeah, that still doesn't explain the waste paper basket next to the comode. They can't even get the turds to the waste management plant.

The immigration filter should start with the question of whether or not the native country can run their own waste management systems. I didn't notice any plumbing faults in Israel.

Germanic tradesmen cheat, they use a 120cm based rule.

Blogger JohnG March 18, 2016 5:21 AM  

One of the recipes for any insurgency and subsequent civil war is government favoring one ethnic group and cracking down on another. The reason the US hasn't had a major issue yet is because people are too well fed and entertained.

Anonymous FAILBOAT March 18, 2016 6:18 AM  

Why does this conversation remind me of the history of Suriname?

Anonymous Rhetoric Man March 18, 2016 9:01 AM  

Joshua Sinister, what makes you believe you will become the next Holy Roman Emperor? Where is your army?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 18, 2016 9:32 AM  

When there is discord there are always recruits. Whites have only one weakness and that is a fetish for authority. They hesitate to be the first to get out of line, but after someone breaks the ranks the others will follow. Right now there is much discord, but still no one has dared to show that the system is down. When the time comes, one must break ranks to show the others that blind loyalty to a failed paradigm is not the only option. Courage follows after nonconformity.

Blogger David Adams March 18, 2016 10:23 AM  

Diversity is chasing down the last white person and pointing this out is waycciiiiiiissss

Blogger Yvonne Lorenzo March 18, 2016 11:14 AM  

Vox, if you read these posts, what is your take on The Daily Bell's editors' analysis here? We may all end up being played or manipulated for a nefarious end...

# # #

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/broadening-the-race-war-soros-creates-anti-trump-pro-illegals-super-pac/

"Begin with this singular fact: The North American Union is the ultimate goal of globalists for America, Canada and Mexico. It is part of an effort over several centuries to consolidate world power.

"Those who support the North American Union are the thesis. And whether he knows it or not, Donald Trump, especially if he wins the presidency, is the antithesis.

"Trump doesn’t have to cooperate for this to occur. But politics is a grimy game. By running for president and succeeding, he provides a useful mechanism.

"The synthesis, yet to be agreed upon, is the emergent union. That’s how it looks now, though of course things could change depending on what happens to Trump...

"If Trump doesn’t win, but comes to embody the voice of old-fashioned republican opposition, what used to be called 'the Remnant,' it and he will also continue to have a great impact.

"Remember, please…It is often difficult to recognize your own emotional manipulation, but the current system is intended to impoverish you, control you and make you party to serial warfare and torture.

"It likely cannot be salvaged by any one man no matter how well meaning or virtuous."

Blogger Timothy MEEHAN March 18, 2016 7:05 PM  

@10 The best way to think of the City of London masonic corporations is as an overlay, like with area codes. 646 doesn'the mean 212 went away. It's just that we're dealing with pre-82 AT&T.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man March 19, 2016 6:34 PM  

Joshua, you craftily avoided the question--what makes you believe you will become the next Holy Roman Emperor? Where is your army?

"Right now there is much discord, but still no one has dared to show that the system is down. When the time comes..."

Are you not the one that dares to reveal what is behind the curtain? Moreover, the time is now, not later. Seems to me you are nothing more than a loud-mouthed charlatan.

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