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Friday, March 04, 2016

The death of conservatism

Mike Cernovich explains how the pro-American mask has been stripped away from the globalists formerly known as conservatives:
Nationalism v. Globalism: The Death of Conservatism.

Trump’s rise has been met with cries that he is not a “true conservative.” The once-prestigious National Review devoted an entire issue crying about Trump. Called Against Trump, the issue brought in attacks from pro-war neocons and even the mentally-unstable Glen Beck.

What attacks on Trump failed to do was define conservatism. No one has been able to explain why waging wars on foreign soils or increasing federal spending more than any president since Lyndon B. Johnson, as George w. Bush did, was conservative. No one has explained how socialized medicine, which Mitt Roney enacted as government of Massachusetts, is conservative.

Question begging aside, Trump is not a “true conservative,” and in fact conservatism in the U.S. is dead.

Trump is a nationalist, which is a loaded term worthy of definition.

Nationalism derives from the root nation. A nationalist puts the interests of his own country, and by extension countrymen, above the interests of other nations. A nationalist puts America first. Nationalists will work with other countries, but only when in the best interest of the United States.

You’d think that the President of the United States would by definition be a nationalist. Nation is in the title of the job description. Yet mainstream conservatives have drifted away from nationalism and towards globalism.

To a globalist, Americans are no different from a Nigerian. If someone in a foreign land is able to do a job much cheaper than an American worker, then those jobs should be offshored. Americans, according to globalists, do not deserve to exist as an identity.

Globalists thus favor open borders, even though increased immigration lowers the wages of native-born Americans while increasing crimes. Marco Rubio, the darling of conservative elites, even sought to open America’s borders.

As part of the Gang of 8 (so named because 8 United State senators joined forces to bring a new world order to the U.S.), Rubio also sought to increase the number of migrants from Syria by millions. That the migrants from Syrian tend to be overwhelmingly men of prime-fighting age means nothing to Rubio or other globalists. America has no right to exist as a nation under the globalist worldview.

Trump rejected globalism with a powerful statement: Build the Wall. By building a wall, Trump meant the U.S. must erect a border between the United States and Mexico, as illegal immigrants, including drug dealers and even Islamic terrorists, poured across in the tens-of-millions. Building a wall is a powerful representation of nationalism.

“A nation cannot exist without a border,” Trump declared. A nation is it borders because a nation is its people. When you allow people who hate American values like freedom of speech, free enterprise, and tolerance for religion, you change the nation for the worse.

Mainstream conservatives, again, are globalists. They believe Americans do not have a right to exist as a people, and that America does not have the right to exist as a nation. Some my call that statement extreme, but if you do not define your borders or control who comes to America, as they do in Israel, how can you claim to be pro-America?
There is more, considerably more, there. A fair amount of it will be familiar to you if you have read Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America, but Mike puts his uniquely energetic spin on the matter. Read the whole thing.

And then ask yourself, how can any American, real or propositional, claim to be conservative when he actively opposes the conservation of America?

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138 Comments:

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 March 04, 2016 9:17 AM  

They believe Americans do not have a right to exist as a people, and that America does not have the right to exist as a nation.

I'm... not exactly sure about this. Are we including unintended consequences in their policies as evidence of belief? Because I think it's more that they are unconcerned with the effects of their policies on these issues, unlike the way the Left thinks about the aforementioned Israel.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 04, 2016 9:36 AM  

So did Barry Goldwater who stood up for the Right of Association and was attacked by the Globalist Republicans.

YOUTUBE Nelson Rockefeller: Republican Party must repudiate extremists

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2016 9:36 AM  

Could the globalist trucons be made to defend globalism, and could this line of attack reach the left?

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 04, 2016 9:40 AM  

@ White Knight Leo

Does it matter?

Anonymous Roundtine March 04, 2016 9:50 AM  

The people are the nation, Leo. Do you think conservatives believe white America has a right to exist? They believe "White Christian America" is a code for racist. Don't confuse the government with the nation, or allowing there to be white people in America, with allowing white people control over their own political destiny. The same goes for blacks, Hispanics and others. The last thing USG wants is for there to be competing interests.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 04, 2016 9:59 AM  

Trump is a nationalist

And that is one of the lines of attack that a great deal of the left was using against him.

He is a nationalist, a natavist! Like Hitler!

But it didn't work with the vast majority of people.

The conservatives mostly didn't tend to use that line of attack because they understand that a large portion of the electorate, the majority, don't think nationalism or favoring the citizens of your own nation are bad things.

Most people think that is just common sense. If you don't look after your own then who else is going to do so?

So the left is going all in on the raciss charges to try to make him toxic.

If that doesn't work then I predict violence against him and his supporters, followed up with somber faced reporters stating that it was unfortunate, but after all Trump and his supporters brought it on themselves.

Incendiary rhetoric after all. This sort of talk has consequences don't you know.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 04, 2016 10:00 AM  

Barry Goldwater was called by Richard M. Nixon as Mr. Conservative at the 3:53 mark in the linked video below! Barry Goldwater stood up for the Right of Association. Nelson Rockefeller and Mitt Romney's dad, George Romney, both denounced "extremist republicans".

YOUTUBE Mr. Conservative: Barry Goldwater at the 1964 Republican National Convention

The Republican Party was started by Globalist Masons and was the Progressive Party. There is a poster on the internet showing the phrases "The Democratic Platform" showing the head of a WASP and then the slogan "The Republican Platform" showing the head of a Negroe. The Two Platforms

The Republican Party was NEVER Conservative. The change only happened in the 60s. And the Mitt Romneys are fighting it.

But the Nationalist Barry Goldwater, a Jewish Episcopalian, was called Mr. Conservative and Trump is being denied that he is a true conservative!

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 04, 2016 10:00 AM  

Both parties fear actually answering to the people, and a nationalist and populist movement demands answers.

Anonymous Instasetting March 04, 2016 10:00 AM  

How can any American claim to be a Conservative (even if they aren't?)?

Its the tribute vice pays to virtue.

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 10:02 AM  

a present for everyone's favorite Cuck, Romney:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/bobkmando/Pennywise_Romney_zpsiedbsz93.jpg?t=1457017298

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 04, 2016 10:04 AM  

Here is the right poster The Two Platform Posters

Anonymous JAG March 04, 2016 10:05 AM  

I'm mad at myself that it took me this long to accept this. I knew deep down that this was the case as far back as "read my lips". I took my beatings fro nearly 30 years now, but my morale never improved.

McCain and Romney were bad enough, but then handing the cucks and globalists the House & Senate did nothing more than give Obama everything he wanted. It was no different than when the Democrats were running the whole show, and maybe even worse when I think about it. No more. Burn it down if nothing else.

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 10:14 AM  

The first question I ask anyone who tells that me they are conservative is:

"Exactly what are you conserving?"

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 10:15 AM  

12. JAG March 04, 2016 10:05 AM
I'm mad at myself that it took me this long to accept this. I knew deep down that this was the case as far back as "read my lips".



hell, we knew this clear back in 1980 when Bush Sr was running in direct opposition to Reagan.

there's a YUGE swathe of Rockefeller Republicans who have hated this country for a long time.

Blogger Gaiseric March 04, 2016 10:15 AM  

The Republican Party was NEVER Conservative. The change only happened in the 60s. And the Mitt Romneys are fighting it.

The 60s were more than 50 years ago now. I'm not interested in what the Republican party was in the 1860s if that has no relevance to today, just as I'm not interested in the fact that the Democrat party was a populist small government party prior to the Progressive era. So what? That means that it was a small government populist party before my grandfather was old enough to vote.

I'm never quite sure what point people are trying to make when they tell me what the two American political parties were like decades—or even a century and a half ago. So what? I already know that, for one thing, and determined that it's clearly irrelevant.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 04, 2016 10:18 AM  

"Little Marco" disgusts me.

Go back to your half-naked foam parties, you little rat.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2016 10:19 AM  

Ron identity politics are also their weakness and can be exploited.

But then again I'm a dirty little white person who is a bit uppity

Blogger dc.sunsets March 04, 2016 10:20 AM  

Sentiment first, then politics, then law.

Today's globalist politics simply reflects the "We are the World" collectively insane openness of the late 1990's, the Top Tick in the Grand Supercycle Wave III.

Trump's nationalism is just a sprouted seedling of what is coming.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 04, 2016 10:32 AM  

So we have a Canadian, a Cuban, and an American as the top three frontrunners.

And the American is being attacked because he's American in his own damn country. Go figure.

Blogger Dexter March 04, 2016 10:34 AM  

Is there ANY precedent for a past presidential candidate to attack the front runner in the current race? I can't think of one.

Blogger praetorian March 04, 2016 10:34 AM  

Nationalism... It's happening, isn't it?

Anonymous Kevin Greenberg March 04, 2016 10:36 AM  

Make no mistake, the conservative media built the platform for Trump to stand on. They built up his base not through apathy or compromise, but through radicalization of the party.

Appealing to the lesser elements of the party on single issues and isolating and bathing supporters in cheerleading and propaganda, not truth, so that they think these ideas hard-line ideas are tenable and even popular on a national scale. This part of the base sits at home reading conservative blogs and publications, while only listening to Fox. They get a VERY warped sense of the nation as a whole. Make no mistake, American demographics are changing, and doing so rapidly. There is not the support on a national scale for white conservative ideas and there never will be again. There is regionally strong support for these ideas only. Conservatives need to wake up and realize this is scientifically inevitable (for those who haven't cast off science as ungodly).

The conservative "press", in quotes because I am also including blogs in this group. Labeling everyone not a hardliner a RINO, viewing compromise and getting things done through negotiations as something lesser (contrary to the most basic foundations of business). Now it is blowing up in your face, the tail is now wagging the dog. The sad thing is it will take down the country.

The chances of a moderate hard working fiscal conservative becoming a nominee are slim to none, and slim has just left town. Trump is the ultimate RINO but also the ultimate showman, willing to say anything contrary to his well documented record. He is a salesman that knows how to appeal and pander the the easily duped base that the National Review and others once fostered and pandered to, or as Trump puts it "the poorly educated". He feeds people what they want to hear, not the truth or the reality of the situation. The Republican party is a supposed to be the one of real solutions. We have gone from the party with a base formed of the educated, elite moneymakers and managers, to that of the under-educated, superstitious, anti-fact, poor, rural white extremists. Why? Because these people are born followers and easy to motivate to the polls. And to keep these the National Review and others hope they remain like Ostriches with their heads in the ground. "American will be a purely white, Christian, ultra conservative nation again!". Not only is this impossible in every way, it never was a reality.

Instead of throwing facts and sound business techniques of management approaches to government you throw around worlds like "Patriot and Heritage" and cater to superstition and religion, things that appeal to base instincts. Instead of celebrating a strong dollar, a housing boom, low unemployment, and a good DOW we belittle it due to purely partisan politics. You sowed it, now sadly we will have to reap it with at least another 4 years with a Democrat as president. Mark my words, Hillary will be the next president and her victory started with the Tea Party movement, which in turn was started by the false sense of importance and comfort given by media outlets like the National Review and Fox News.

Blogger praetorian March 04, 2016 10:40 AM  

Would you mind getting in my oven to clean it?

Anonymous Northern Observer March 04, 2016 10:44 AM  

With a name like Cernovich isn't Mike simply being an American Weebo or a USian?

Anonymous A Visitor March 04, 2016 10:44 AM  

"The Republican Party was NEVER Conservative. The change only happened in the 60s. And the Mitt Romneys are fighting it.

The 60s were more than 50 years ago now. I'm not interested in what the Republican party was in the 1860s if that has no relevance to today, just as I'm not interested in the fact that the Democrat party was a populist small government party prior to the Progressive era. So what? That means that it was a small government populist party before my grandfather was old enough to vote.

I'm never quite sure what point people are trying to make when they tell me what the two American political parties were like decades—or even a century and a half ago. So what? I already know that, for one thing, and determined that it's clearly irrelevant."

@15 EXACTLY! Who cares what the parties were like a century, half century ago? It's irrelevant to today!

For anyone who may still be having trouble with this, basic IR: a state is a country that has a) at least 1 other internationally recognized country recognize it b) a functioning government and c) an ability to protect its borders. If you take away any of these three, you have a failed state!

A nation meanwhile is a group of people who share a similar linguistic, ethnic, cultural heritage. Not all nations have states but all states have nations within them.

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 10:44 AM  

20. Dexter March 04, 2016 10:34 AM
Is there ANY precedent for a past presidential candidate to attack the front runner in the current race? I can't think of one.



Rockefeller had been running for president since 1960. i'm not old enough to remember any quotes from the 1979 campaign but i'm sure he hated Reagan.

Blogger pyrrhus March 04, 2016 10:45 AM  

"The chances of a moderate hard working fiscal conservative becoming a nominee are slim to none, and slim has just left town."
And who would be an example of one of these "moderate hard working fiscal conservatives"?
And what does "moderate" mean in your lexicon? If you can't answer these questions, you are just another globalist scam artist....

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 10:50 AM  

Make no mistake, the conservative media built the platform for Trump to stand on. They built up his base not through apathy or compromise, but through radicalization of the party.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Wheeler's philosophizing is sane by comparison.

Now it is blowing up in your face, the tail is now wagging the dog. The sad thing is it will take down the country.

We don't give a damn about the dog. That's not sad at all. We will not mourn the inevitable collapse of the empire. Its foundations are already creaking and cracking.

America is and will be a white Christian nation again. The only question is a) its geographical extent, and b) how terrible the process will be. Trump is merely the mildest of harbingers and he already has you panicking.

I'm sure the Moors were confident that after 500 years of occupation, Spain would never be a Christian nation again too.

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 04, 2016 10:50 AM  

Dexter wrote:Is there ANY precedent for a past presidential candidate to attack the front runner in the current race? I can't think of one.

I heard an analyst say this was historical in nature. Some of the Establishment is clearly still in denial and I read one this last week still lamenting the failure of Jeb! but as the convention nears with Trump in the lead they will grow hysterical and more outrageous.

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 10:52 AM  

With a name like Cernovich isn't Mike simply being an American Weebo or a USian?

It would be hard for you to be more completely wrong. He's not even a US resident.

Blogger #7139 March 04, 2016 10:55 AM  

@22 "American will be a purely white, Christian, ultra conservative nation again!", Not only is this impossible in every way, it never was a reality. Are you sure about this? It sounds like wishful thinking on your part.

Blogger Avraham March 04, 2016 10:57 AM  

I was aware that the Republican part was a sellout. Still it seemed better that the openly anti American Democratic Party. But now that there is a candidate that is openly pro America it does not see that part affiliation is relevant.

Blogger praetorian March 04, 2016 11:00 AM  

If you can't answer these questions, you are just another globalist scam artist

Don't bother wasting dialectic on the anti-trump psy-ops concern troll copypasta. It's just shills trying to shave off Trump support using well worn propaganda techniques.

We'll see more and more of it as Trump nears coronation and as this blog becomes increasingly influential.

Blogger pyrrhus March 04, 2016 11:02 AM  

Don't bother wasting dialectic on the anti-trump psy-ops concern troll copypasta. It's just shills trying to shave off Trump support using well worn propaganda techniques.

So true--2 minutes of my life wasted!

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 11:02 AM  

31. #7139 March 04, 2016 10:55 AM
Are you sure about this? It sounds like wishful thinking on your part.




anybody want to take bets that he's Portuguese?

Blogger praetorian March 04, 2016 11:03 AM  

Concern trolls...

Anonymous Jack Amok March 04, 2016 11:03 AM  

We're lectured on how evil Nationalism is, but the alternative to Nationalism is Globalism, and just what is Globalism? Globalists want a globe-spanning class system with a
small number of elites (themselves) and a mass of serfs. They want to re-establish the old Feudal system of Europe, where the Duc de Fubarre and Barron von Krockhaven were peers and the French and German peasants were interchangeable rabble.

Nationalism destroyed Feudalism. It was Nationalism - the rabble thinking of themselves as a unique people - that fueled the rise of parliaments and weakening the power of trans-national hereditary elites. Of course the would-be neo-feudalists hate it.

Anonymous Northern Observer March 04, 2016 11:06 AM  

It would be hard for you to be more completely wrong.

Very likely.

He's not even a US resident.

He seems very enamored with the idea of the American Nation, but his surname would suggest that he's not a member.

Can't Japanese Weebo's live outside of Japan?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 04, 2016 11:10 AM  

Dexter wrote:Is there ANY precedent for a past presidential candidate to attack the front runner in the current race? I can't think of one.

Hell yes! Didn't you watch any of the YouTubes I posted earlier in this thread? Nelson Rockefeller and George Romney both attacked Barry Goldwater, the Front runner and all of his supporters.

YOUTUBE Nelson Rockefeller denounces Republican "extremists" at the 1964 Republican National Convention

And in this video made by the Democrats in 1964, they used the Establishment comments to attack Barry Goldwater!
YOUTUBE LBJ Attack Ad against Barry Goldwater

Blogger praetorian March 04, 2016 11:14 AM  

Y'all want another reason to vote for Trump?

Here's another reason to vote for Trump.

Quelle horreur!

Blogger Dexter March 04, 2016 11:16 AM  

Rockefeller had been running for president since 1960. i'm not old enough to remember any quotes from the 1979 campaign but i'm sure he hated Reagan.

Ford and Rockefeller floated a "co-presidency" idea (with Kissinger back as Secretary of State) at the 1980 convention. Reagan said NO WAY. Still, neither Ford nor Rockefeller openly attacked Reagan.

Blogger Dexter March 04, 2016 11:17 AM  

in this video made by the Democrats in 1964, they used the Establishment comments to attack Barry Goldwater!

Yeah yeah yeah, of course the Dems attacked Goldwater.

In Your Guts You Know He's Nuts!

Anonymous Jack Amok March 04, 2016 11:18 AM  

He seems very enamored with the idea of the American Nation, but his surname would suggest that he's not a member.

It's not a conundrum once you realize that being in favor of the American Nation is his alternative to being in favor of a globalist elite that wants to makes serfs of us all. A win for Nationalists anywhere is a loss for Globalists everywhere, and the Globalists are our enemy.

Blogger Dexter March 04, 2016 11:19 AM  

Also, Rockefeller in 1964 was not a former presidential candidate. The Romney thing would be more like Ike or Nixon attacking Goldwater.

Anonymous Dave March 04, 2016 11:26 AM  

anybody want to take bets that he's Portuguese?

Heh some Grade AA level snark there.

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 11:31 AM  

44. Dexter March 04, 2016 11:19 AM
Also, Rockefeller in 1964 was not a former presidential candidate.



false.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller
"After unsuccessfully seeking the Republican presidential nomination in 1960, 1964, and 1968, he served as Vice President from 1974 to 1977 under President Gerald R. Ford. "

Anonymous BluePony March 04, 2016 11:35 AM  

JAG: "I'm mad at myself that it took me this long to accept this."

Don't be mad, or at least not at yourself. We're fighting an old, established power class of alpha sociopaths who will say anything and cross any line to get what they want. Many succumbed to their playacting. They're good at it, and they've collectively been at it for much of recorded history.

That's my ultimate worry, though. As completely amoral narcissists, they will always be willing to cross one more line than anyone with even a rudimentary moral compass. We can rage and speak out and vote use whatever combination rhetoric and honest debate that seems best, but at the end of the day I wouldn't put it past these cretins to arrange an "accident" for Trump.

Blogger Halifax Donair March 04, 2016 11:42 AM  

@33 @34 A simple "Hi Liz" will suffice.

She being the demoralizeation GOPe tranny. No, not Flynt, the OTHER one.

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 11:49 AM  

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Blogger FALPhil March 04, 2016 11:51 AM  

@22
Mark my words, Hillary will be the next president and her victory started with the Tea Party movement, which in turn was started by the false sense of importance and comfort given by media outlets like the National Review and Fox News.

My Jewish neighbor across the street used almost the exact same words. Is there an email with talking points going around?

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 11:52 AM  

> There is not the support on a national scale for white conservative ideas and there never will be again. There is regionally strong support for these ideas only. Conservatives need to wake up and realize this is scientifically inevitable (for those who haven't cast off science as ungodly).

So a current majority of the population has no political representation and is supposed to sit down and take it without protest?

Politics doesn't work that way. And if you force it to, you'll soon find out that ""War is the continuation of politics by other means."

> The sad thing is it will take down the country.

Ask us if we care. You just claimed it's no longer our country.

> Mark my words, Hillary will be the next president

It's almost enough to make me hope you're correct. You deserve Hillary and what she will bring. But then I remember that I have extended family who will have to live with it.

Anonymous Quartermaster March 04, 2016 11:53 AM  

@25 & @ 15
The GOP was never a conservative party, and it never became a conservative party. Not in the 60s, or any other time. Goldwater and Reagan were aberrations.

The Dims used to be conservative, but that ended as soon as the progs infiltrated and established the ideology known as Wilsonianism, the ideology of the Neocons.

The road taken by both parties has been the road to hell.

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 11:54 AM  

> Is there an email with talking points going around?

Almost certainly. Though it could as easily be something on Slate or HuffPo.

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 04, 2016 11:55 AM  

Kevin Greenberg wrote:
...
There is not the support on a national scale for white conservative ideas and there never will be again.
...
her victory started with the Tea Party movement, which in turn was started by the false sense of importance and comfort given by media outlets like the National Review and Fox News.



Just give up now Kevin. Quit! Life is hopeless! All battles are lost, all things now come to an end. Damn optimists talking about America being great is the problem. In The United States of Kevin things only ever get worse and we should accept it.

Blogger rcocean March 04, 2016 11:56 AM  

Yes, its been interesting to see NR,Romney and red state treat Trump 10x worse than they've treated Obama. Guess open borders and billion dollar trade deficits are the linchpins of "Conservatism"

Anonymous Roundtine March 04, 2016 11:57 AM  

Instead of throwing facts and sound business techniques of management approaches to government you throw around worlds like "Patriot and Heritage" and cater to superstition and religion, things that appeal to base instincts. Instead of celebrating a strong dollar, a housing boom, low unemployment, and a good DOW we belittle it due to purely partisan politics.

We don't need to celebrate Mammon. That stuff happens naturally in a dominant Anglo-Saxon culture, it's the default setting. Deviations are temporary and corrected. Demographic trends may be permanent, which is why talk of secession is growing. This is a very long game being played.

Blogger rcocean March 04, 2016 11:58 AM  

People mentioned Ford upthread. To the day he died Ford never stopped dissing Reagan, telling everyone how Reagan lost him the 1976 election and what an awful president he was. However, he kept his mouth shut in public.

Blogger Dexter March 04, 2016 12:00 PM  

Also, Rockefeller in 1964 was not a former presidential candidate.


false.


By which I meant, Rockefeller in 1964 had never been the NOMINEE (the successful candidate for the nomination) you aspie retard.

Rockefeller in 1964 was not equivalent to Romney in 2016. The 1964 equivalent to Romney today was NIXON - i.e., the party's candidate who had been defeated in the previous election.

Blogger Ingot9455 March 04, 2016 12:00 PM  

Never plan on a backlash effect. It can't be timed.

You can say that Carter's horribleness gave us Reagan but you can't count on it. Fraud and ennui gave us 8 years of Obama instead of 4. You can try to trigger the avalanche but you never know when the preference cascade will really start.

Even now, Trump is very mild of a backlash.

Blogger Doom March 04, 2016 12:00 PM  

Yeah, sure, fine. I'll go with the truth in there. However, those who stole the notion of conservativism, and turned that into globalism, are NOT conservatives. That is my point. I AM a conservative, they are not. I won't even debate that, and think those attacking globalists as if they were conservative need to make or choice or come clean. There are some who do that who really don't love America, or think she should be sovereign. They aren't on anybody's side, not any American's side.

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 04, 2016 12:11 PM  

Just a reminder how panicked and poorly run the anti-Trump campaign is by the Establishment: Last night Rubio said he'd support Trump if he got the nomination. Just on 2/27 he posted #NeverTrump and sells the gear on his website.

Their handpicked guy isn't very smart or consistent. Trump was right when he pointed out the other day that Cruz is smart, but Rubio is not.

Making Rubio sign off on supporting Trump was the biggest blunder by Fox News last night, and I'm surprised they made them answer the question.

Anonymous Mercy Vetsel March 04, 2016 12:12 PM  

Trump is no nationalist. He's a Trumpist above all else and possibly a protectionist but prior to 2015 he gave the strongest verbal and financial support to statists and globalists.

Thankfully, he's finally being exposed, especially in the last debate in Detroit where he changed his position on H-1B visas to echo globalist corporate talking points and praised Rubio for his flexibility on the Gang of Eight Amnesty and Citizenship Bill. As Cruz astutely points out that's the D.C. code word for "what I'm telling the voters is BS and I'm going to screw them over".

Finally pro-Trump bloggers like Lion of the Blogosphere are starting to realize that Trump is not sincere on immigration. He's doing exactly what he describes in The Art of the Deal and selling customers on their own fantasy.

If that's not enough to convince you that he's a phony, a sheep in wolves clothing as one commenter put it, then consider the audio recording from his cozy little off-the-record meeting with the NYT editorial board that left participants with the impression that he's not being sincere about immigration. Not releasing that audio is Trumps way of saying "f u, just trust me" to people supporting him because of his comments on immigration.

Trump has already screwed over anyone who voted for him specifically because of "his" position on H1B visas that some Sessions staffer wrote and which Trump never read. It's only a matter of time until he screws over voters on the other aspects of Trump v.2015. Imagine how you're going to feel when you find out that you've been screwed on illegal immigration as well.

Mr. Mercy

Blogger The Other Robot March 04, 2016 12:13 PM  

I would love to see President Trump reveal all the lies we have been told. Like the Osama bin Laden lies, the 9/11 lies, etc.

Blogger The Other Robot March 04, 2016 12:14 PM  

Thankfully, he's finally being exposed, especially in the last debate in Detroit where he changed his position on H-1B visas to echo globalist corporate talking points and praised Rubio for his flexibility on the Gang of Eight Amnesty and Citizenship Bill.

Oh Mr Mercy, you are too short for this ride.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 04, 2016 12:19 PM  

Even now, Trump is very mild of a backlash.

Trump is just another can they think they need to kick down the road. Maybe they will, but there will just be an even bigger can waiting for them.

Blogger RobertT March 04, 2016 12:22 PM  

Damn well time. Conservatism is a code word that means something different to everyone on the planet. An establishment concoction to mesmerize the masses.

OpenID denektenorsk March 04, 2016 12:25 PM  

Y'all want another reason to vote for Trump?

Here's another reason to vote for Trump.

Quelle horreur!


They so triggered.

Blogger praetorian March 04, 2016 12:26 PM  

Lawd have mercy, fellow conservatives!

Trump gon take away auh fones! You disability?

Trump? He suck.

Blogger Gaiseric March 04, 2016 12:30 PM  

Broken Arrow wrote:Their handpicked guy isn't very smart or consistent. Trump was right when he pointed out the other day that Cruz is smart, but Rubio is not.
I was surprised in general how gracious Trump was of Cruz in his press conference on Super Tuesday last week too. I don't know how to read the relationship between them. Are bridges good and burnt, or is that all just "the job" to them?

Blogger DBSFF March 04, 2016 12:32 PM  

Speaking of "immigration," Pope Francis made a reference to an "Arab invasion" of Europe as a social reality. I'm not sure if that's a positive development given his socialist leanings and because he added: "Ma aggiunge subito — ei teorici della 'grande sostituzione', cara all'estrema destra, resterebbero allora delusi — quante invasioni ha conosciuto l'Europa nel corso della sua storia! Ma ha sempre saputo superare se stessa, andare avanti per ritrovarsi poi come accresciuta dallo scambio tra le culture." http://bit.ly/1oVvzeX

Blogger Stilicho March 04, 2016 12:32 PM  

Nationalism is just another word for patriotism.

Anonymous Philalethes March 04, 2016 12:34 PM  

@30

With a name like Cernovich isn't Mike simply being an American Weebo or a USian?

It would be hard for you to be more completely wrong. He's not even a US resident.


His Twitter page gives his location as Los Angeles. He has two Facebook pages (?), but neither has any location listed. So where is he?

Cernovich is certainly not an Anglo name, but then neither is Trump – if, as I read somewhere, it was changed from Drumpf by his immigrating ancestor. Anyway, none of that matters – all that matters now is like that old song, "Which side are you on?"

@62:

Maybe so. Maybe Trump is lying with everything that comes out of his mouth. I don't think anybody here is according him the sort of childlike faith that Hillary's/Bernie's people have. We all know he's a gamble – but we also know that all the other candidates are not gambles precisely because we know they're lying (well, with the possible exception of Bernie, who probably actually believes what he's peddling), and we know they'll continue the Program if elected. And the Program is close to the point of no possible return.

And even if Trump is lying, he has literally exploded the field of discourse, such that all the things you couldn't say in public are now being talked about. In Canada and Europe, as we know, it is literally illegal to question the official Holycaust narrative; but here the cat is now out of the bag, and they won't be able to stuff it back in. As noted, Trump is a moderate compared with what will come if he's torpedoed.

OpenID denektenorsk March 04, 2016 12:38 PM  

Nationalism is just another word for patriotism. Both are very dirty words. HOW DARE you take care of your own first. Now, if you broach it in terms of "national values" (and those said values tend to run counter to the interests of the citizens of the country) then that's totally fine. We do that in Canada all the time.

We don't have hundreds of new food bank users, with nearly half of them speaking neither official language. Nothing of the sort.

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 12:38 PM  

58. Dexter March 04, 2016 12:00 PM
By which I meant, Rockefeller in 1964 had never been the NOMINEE (the successful candidate for the nomination) you aspie retard.



oh. well, now that the aspie retard has finally figured out how to properly phrase his question, i'll give you a different and EVEN MORE OBVIOUS answer.

Theodore Roosevelt was not simply the prior presidential candidate, he had already served 8 years as president when he ...

tried to cut Taft's ( Teddy's hand picked successor and sitting president ) legs out from underneath him and went so far as to form the new Progressive ( colloquially known as the "Bull Moose" ) Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

Anonymous BGKB March 04, 2016 12:40 PM  

I'm... not exactly sure about this. Are we including unintended consequences in their policies as evidence of belief?

Snowden released the Rivkin document that shows what they think. Individual national culture stands in the way of globalists poisoning the well and food sources. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/05/14/in-honor-of-french-reader-understanding-the-rivkin-project/

@ White Knight Leo Does it matter? Did the Hispanic that raped 8yo white Maddie Middleton to death mean to kill her?

40 Y'all want another reason to vote for Trump?Here's another reason to vote for Trump. Quelle horreur!

Makes you wonder if the Hookers for Hillary are being forced to support her by the pimps.

My Jewish neighbor across the street used almost the exact same words. Is there an email with talking points going around?

I still get emails from MoveOn I will have to look.

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 12:41 PM  

"He's doing exactly what he describes in The Art of the Deal and selling customers on their own fantasy."

Certainly.

"He's a Trumpist above all else . . ."

He's a Trump imagist above all else. If he LARPs his way into the history books as President TRUMP!, what difference does that make to me?

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 04, 2016 12:46 PM  

On the definition of conservative/conservatism.

Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll
Chapter 6. Humpty Dumpty

(snip)

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. 'They've a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they're the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'

'Would you tell me please,' said Alice, 'what that means?'

(snip)

http://sabian.org/looking_glass6.php

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 04, 2016 12:46 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:Broken Arrow wrote:Their handpicked guy isn't very smart or consistent. Trump was right when he pointed out the other day that Cruz is smart, but Rubio is not.

I was surprised in general how gracious Trump was of Cruz in his press conference on Super Tuesday last week too. I don't know how to read the relationship between them. Are bridges good and burnt, or is that all just "the job" to them?


The VP bridge is almost certainly burned down, but there's no reason he couldn't appoint him to something in his administration or have an ally in Texas. Trump's IQ > 140 and I read Cruz is ~145 so they recognize each is smart guy.

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 12:50 PM  

"The VP bridge is almost certainly burned down, but there's no reason he couldn't appoint him to something in his administration . . ."

SCJ

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2016 12:50 PM  

The left is a top down organization my WAG is that a few dozen people write it's script and by left I mean high correlation with the Democratic party

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 12:52 PM  

Q: What's the difference between a Socialist and a Democrat?
A: Silverware.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 04, 2016 12:53 PM  

Vie Drudge Report, Jim Webb: I won't vote for Clinton, but I may for Trump.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/jim-webb-no-hillary-clinton-220255

Webb as the Dems' candidate for POTUS would have caused me to give the Democrat Party a passing glance. a potential VPOTUS for Trump? SecDef?

I wonder what Wm. Lind thinks of Webb?

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 12:54 PM  

His Twitter page gives his location as Los Angeles. He has two Facebook pages (?), but neither has any location listed. So where is he?

If it's on Twitter, it must be true!

I live in Europe. I've had dinner with him and his wife twice. Where do you think he is?

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 04, 2016 12:56 PM  

In 2012 I was watching a county level GOP PCO meeting get totally hijacked with help from a nearby totally corrupt county GOP.

In the midst of all that, a thought appeared in my mind. So loud and with such clarity, it was as if hearing a voice.

And that thought was "It will take more than conservatism to save us".

That was the last time I had anything to do with the GOP.

Blogger Nick S March 04, 2016 12:56 PM  

Nationalism is just another word for patriotism.

Well, yes, it can be used and thought of that way, but it also encompasses an assortment of particular brands with very specific connotations and they don't universally agree with one another.

The good news and the bad news is that the death of conservatism is prompting a resurgence of investigative journalism. Some of it will be sloppy and amount to nothing more than propaganda, but, on the other hand, some of it will undoubtedly be thorough and useful for sussing out the truth. It's going to require an above average level of discernment to correctly determine which is which. It should be fun.

Anonymous Anonymous-9 March 04, 2016 1:00 PM  

Dear Vox,
This is my first post here. I was told so many horrible things about you, even by some people that I trusted, and I approached this place like it was probably radioactive. But then, curious, I bought your book "SJWs Always Lie" and found there was a lot of wisdom. Then I found you backed Trump and had very good reasons for doing so. This latest post today, absolutely nailed for me that you have the best analysis on why "we the people" are backing Trump even though we may not be able to analyze and articulate what we instinctively feel. Thank you so much for this blog and speaking your truth. God bless you.

Anonymous Mike March 04, 2016 1:00 PM  

I bounce around, and was just in South Africa.

Blogger praetorian March 04, 2016 1:06 PM  

And even if Trump is lying, he has literally exploded the field of discourse,

That's what a lot of anti-trump folks don't get: he has already won. Winning the election would be gravy and, of course, a mighty cataract of kek, but the overton window has been permanently expanded.

If Trump gets run out in a contested convention: great! If Trump gets nuked in the general by the swarthy hordes and costal elite, great! If Trump wins, great!

It's all great. The train is great.

The anti-trump shills just can't even. They just can't.

And so, my Overton Window expands...

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 1:06 PM  

87. Mike March 04, 2016 1:00 PM
I bounce around, and was just in South Africa.



*points and shrieks*

Globalist!

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 04, 2016 1:09 PM  

Mercy Vetsel wrote:Trump is no nationalist. He's a Trumpist above all else and possibly a protectionist but prior to 2015 he gave the strongest verbal and financial support to statists and globalists.

Thankfully, he's finally being exposed,...


Mr. Mercy, What you say may have a grain of truth. In America, you CANNOT have a true nationalist. That is just the state of America. Many people in America have been marxisized and so one can not be forward with one's nationalism. Trump is taking baby steps. Mr. Mercy, do you read the political reality? Trump is true to his words. He is the only one to stand up to Political Correctness. You think that Trump's dissimulation is directed towards us--maybe it is directed to the New York Times. The American Press broke Barry Goldwater. It can break the Trump train with the cry of racism.

I'm still votin' for Trump for there is no other. And after he is elected, I will continue to hold him to his word--that is how it works.

Mr. Mercy--there are very very powerful forces in America arrayed against Trump and any sort of populism. Huey Newton was Assassinated and George Wallace was also almost assassinated.

So lighten up Mr. Mercy. There ain't another out there to compete with Trump and we have to stop Hillary and the Democratic Party. We have to get Trump into the White House!

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 1:14 PM  

This is my first post here. I was told so many horrible things about you, even by some people that I trusted, and I approached this place like it was probably radioactive. But then, curious, I bought your book "SJWs Always Lie" and found there was a lot of wisdom. Then I found you backed Trump and had very good reasons for doing so. This latest post today, absolutely nailed for me that you have the best analysis on why "we the people" are backing Trump even though we may not be able to analyze and articulate what we instinctively feel. Thank you so much for this blog and speaking your truth. God bless you.

You are quite welcome. The Ilk play rough, but they generally play fair. No one is going to tear your throat out with their teeth or anything like that.

Unless you're an SJW, of course. Then the VFM will rip you to shreds. But you're not, so no worries.

Blogger Gaiseric March 04, 2016 1:17 PM  

Nationalism is just another word for patriotism.

Only if you happen to happily live in a nation-state. Which are very rare in the developed world, because the globalist elite have declared war on the very concept.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 04, 2016 1:19 PM  

Awww (((Kevin))) doesn't like me and says my defeat is both inevitable and deserved.

Guess I'll give up.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 04, 2016 1:20 PM  

@86.

What VD said. Blood is best warm, else, as sausage. ;)

Anonymous BGKB March 04, 2016 1:26 PM  

Q: What's the difference between a Socialist and a Democrat?A: Silverware.

I thought one of them had an AK-47, or was it a poisoned water supply?

Blogger Gaiseric March 04, 2016 1:27 PM  

Trump is taking baby steps. Mr. Mercy, do you read the political reality?

Speaking of Trump taking baby steps; a big part of the reason I'm less concerned about a "conservative track record" with Trump, and why his apparent support of contradictory opinions in the past is that, of course, I've done so myself.

Not that I was ever anywhere close to a liberal politically or philosophically, but for most, who grow up not really thinking much about politics at all, and not really political, and indoctrinated softly through public schools and the entertainment media into being apathetic psuedo-liberals without active constant vigilance against it, the "red pill" isn't a moment of epiphany. It's a process. Even on the Right side of the aisle, there's free trade dogma, blank slate dogma, Marquess of Queensbury rules expectations of behavior and comportment, and irrational fear of the "Nazis" among us that all have to be gradually rooted out of your paradigm.

It takes at least a small degree of above average intelligence to actually find the relevant data that will torpedo the prevailing paradigm, analyze it accordingly, and draw from it the correct conclusions. It also takes a certain amount of personal integrity and some moral courage to face your often cherished self-image and beliefs and admit that they were wrong.

I'm usually willing to forgive one for being wrong, if they recognize that they were wrong and aren't anymore. Who wouldn't be?

Anonymous Roundtine March 04, 2016 1:29 PM  

If that's not enough to convince you that he's a phony, a sheep in wolves clothing as one commenter put it, then consider the audio recording from his cozy little off-the-record meeting with the NYT editorial board that left participants with the impression that he's not being sincere about immigration.

Trump is advocating for immigration restriction. If he wins, it validates immigration restriction as a majority position. There's a risk that Trump screws over his supporters, as all politicians do, but as the most vocal anti-immigration politician, he is a symbol of it. It took Cruz until February to recognize he should be running to the right of Trump on immigration. Rubio and Kasich will open the borders.

The best strategy is to support Trump and make sure real conservatives are elected in House and Senate races. Trump strikes me as very malleable on issues. If he has a Democrat or GOPe Congress, he will do deals with them that lean left. If he has a conservative Congress, he will do deals that lean right.

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 1:30 PM  

91. VD March 04, 2016 1:14 PM
No one is going to tear your throat out with their teeth or anything like that.



ummm, iz not entrails on ceiling time?

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 1:32 PM  

@BGKB: "I thought one of them had an AK-47 . . ."

I was riffing off an old Anglican joke, but it works.
Yours works too, it's just looking through the other end of the telescope.

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 1:58 PM  

> I was riffing off an old Anglican joke, but it works.

Are there any Anglican jokes that aren't old?

Anonymous Mike March 04, 2016 2:07 PM  

Yes it's ironic, I am more of a "citizen of the world" than most, which is why I understand why America must be preserved. The more you travel, the more you understand that a nation is its people, not its soil.

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 2:12 PM  

"Are there any Anglican jokes that aren't old?"

In my neighbourhood they all seem to be about 70-80.

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 2:13 PM  

> The more you travel, the more you understand that a nation is its people, not its soil.

There was actually a SciFi short story that proposed the alternate once. I can't remember any details beyond that, unfortunately.

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 2:36 PM  

I am more of a "citizen of the world" than most, which is why I understand why America must be preserved. The more you travel, the more you understand that a nation is its people, not its soil.

Bingo. America for the Americans. Israel for the Israelis. France for the French. Undsoweiter.

Blogger Nick S March 04, 2016 2:56 PM  

Trump strikes me as very malleable on issues.

I agree. I think Trump is vulnerable to manipulation with the argument that control of global resource logistics, including reserve currencies, should be reserved for the elite/smart which he presumes himself to be a part of. However, neither an alpha's confidence level nor his wealth is directly proportional, by necessity, to his intellect. For the record, I believe Vox is much smarter and vastly better informed than Trump. Trump is a gamble, but the payout could be yuuuge in the long run! I'm still on the fence about Trump.

Blogger BunE22 March 04, 2016 3:00 PM  

@62

Last I heard the NYT off the record recording is a non-issue. Of course you don't see that all over the news or internet.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/editor-ny-times-not-sitting-on-a-news-story-with-trump-tapes/article/2584720

Blogger CarpeOro March 04, 2016 3:03 PM  

Nick S wrote:Trump strikes me as very malleable on issues.

I agree. I think Trump is vulnerable to manipulation with the argument that control of global resource logistics, including reserve currencies, should be reserved for the elite/smart which he presumes himself to be a part of. However, neither an alpha's confidence level nor his wealth is directly proportional, by necessity, to his intellect. For the record, I believe Vox is much smarter and vastly better informed than Trump. Trump is a gamble, but the payout could be yuuuge in the long run! I'm still on the fence about Trump.


No, Trump is opportunistic. Look up "malleable" in the dictionary and you find Romney - who was on was on the side of an issue that was the same as whoever he talked with. With Romney, you had to be the one that talked to him last. Trump you need to convince it is the winning approach.

Blogger Nick S March 04, 2016 3:14 PM  

Trump you need to convince it is the winning approach.

Easy to do. That's my point.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 04, 2016 3:16 PM  

Gaiseric, good points. I've never been anything close to a liberal but I did used to believe in Free Trade and a robust foreign policy. I learned better through experience. There are a lot of attractive follies in the world. The worst you can do is let your investment in one become irrevocable because it became your self image.

People criticize men like Trump for having big egos, but an ego that let's you define yourself does protect you from becoming a prisoner of faddish beliefs.

Blogger Sheila4g March 04, 2016 3:21 PM  

@101 Mike: "Yes it's ironic, I am more of a "citizen of the world" than most, which is why I understand why America must be preserved. The more you travel, the more you understand that a nation is its people, not its soil."

While I certainly widened my horizons and opinions in college, it wasn't until I lived abroad for some years that I truly understood nationalism and what makes a people. Ironically, it was in the mother country of England that I really noticed minutiae and cogitated on things. By the time I moved on to the USSR I was ready to enjoy a pretty mindless, emotional patriotism. All the years and countries thereafter merely helped solidify and clarify my feelings. I truly don't understand those whose travel convinces them that everywhere EXCEPT the US has it all worked out. Even as I'm more aware than ever of America's flaws, and have the warmest memories of wonderful other places and people, I recognize that America was home, and why America today is not. As deplorable as the state has become, it's the wholesale replacement of the people that has me a stranger in a strange land.

I could happily live in plenty of places in Europe (pre Arab invasion), and don't believe I'd come across as an American chauvinist, but I'd still observably be American.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 04, 2016 3:29 PM  

Pope, Mexico, Romney, McCain, Beck, the frankenzombie media, Rubio, Cruz, (Krugman?), NRO, Jeb, Murdoch as of last night, FoxSorceressMegynEyes, Young person Shapiro,James Fallows, Chris Cillizza, 'DC brass' are against Trump.

All of which boosts Trumps.

Trump was better off skipping the childrens table last night at Fox.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 04, 2016 3:35 PM  

64 Debates are like a circus these days, a devolution or grave decline. Postamerica will receive the leader in accordance to its own willful dysfunction. So far its Hillary, Trump or Bernie?

Heard something cute on local talk radio, why is Karl Rove so quiet and why was Jeb pushed onto the national scene too soon, far too soon?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 4:03 PM  

@19 swiftfoxmark2
So we have a Canadian, a Cuban, and an American as the top three frontrunners.

And the American is being attacked because he's American in his own damn country. Go figure.
---

Exactly.

These anchor babies are so privileged to run for president and concoct all kinds of plots to prevent the "Natural Born American" from gaining the nomination.

It really looks like a tentacle of the globalists.

Anonymous Discard March 04, 2016 4:19 PM  

Why can't Mike Cernovich support American nationalism? Many of us here support German, Hungarian, Russian, and Japanese nationalism.

Anonymous Discard March 04, 2016 4:29 PM  

62. Mercy Vetsal: If Trump stabs us in the back, or if Hilary wins, the anger won't go away. It will only grow. And more and more liberals will drop their multi-cult platitudes and join team White. The Nazis didn't win the first time out either.

Blogger Josh March 04, 2016 4:52 PM  

So we have a Canadian, a Cuban, and an American as the top three frontrunners.

Doing the jobs Americans just won't do

Blogger Escoffier March 04, 2016 5:46 PM  

When I talk to Conservatives today it has the same feel to me as talking to Communists did back in the eighties. The ideology has failed utterly and yet they can never admit that the ideology failed. It's always shoot the messenger or 'they just didn't do it right' but as someone asked upthread what's been conserved guys?

If you still call yourself a Conservative I would be curious as to why?

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 6:07 PM  

117. Escoffier March 04, 2016 5:46 PM
The ideology has failed




Pro-tip:
it's not a formal political ideology

Anonymous Anonymous March 04, 2016 6:08 PM  

a nation is defined by having it's own borders, language and culture. Currently all of these are being eroded by obummer. Whatever label one wants to apply toward the republican candidates, the are generally oriented in varying degrees toward these values. Arguing the labels is a waste of time.

Blogger Retrenched March 04, 2016 6:36 PM  

The modern conservative wants to conserve Israel, cheap labor, and not much else.

Blogger Retrenched March 04, 2016 6:37 PM  

If they weren't owned by the US firearms industry they'd fold on 2A as well...

Blogger Escoffier March 04, 2016 6:41 PM  

Pro-tip:
it's not a formal political ideology


That's a special kind of dumb. I'm not trying to define it, I'm not a conservative anymore. But many here self identify as conservative and even if each one has a different definition my question stands: what has been conserved?

Blogger dfordoom March 04, 2016 6:50 PM  

@72. Philalethes

And even if Trump is lying, he has literally exploded the field of discourse, such that all the things you couldn't say in public are now being talked about

That's the one thing Trump might actually achieve - he might shift the Overton Window just a little. And that explains the fear that he creates. No-one in the political establishment, Democrat or Republican, wants forbidden topics like immigration or free trade back on the political agenda.

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 7:22 PM  

> But many here self identify as conservative...

And many more don't.

Blogger SciVo March 04, 2016 7:54 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:Broken Arrow wrote:Their handpicked guy isn't very smart or consistent. Trump was right when he pointed out the other day that Cruz is smart, but Rubio is not.

I was surprised in general how gracious Trump was of Cruz in his press conference on Super Tuesday last week too. I don't know how to read the relationship between them. Are bridges good and burnt, or is that all just "the job" to them?


I think that to burn a bridge with Trump, you would have to betray his trust. And I doubt that he would trust a competitor in a Presidential primary. So at least on that side, their relationship should be fine.

Trump observably uses a tit-for-tat strategy to train people to not attack him. And alphas don't suffer stress responses after the stressor is removed. (They're the boogeymen that others worry about at night, not the other way around.)

Blogger Rusty Fife March 04, 2016 8:12 PM  

White Knight Leo #0368 wrote:They believe Americans do not have a right to exist as a people, and that America does not have the right to exist as a nation.

I'm... not exactly sure about this. Are we including unintended consequences in their policies as evidence of belief? Because I think it's more that they are unconcerned with the effects of their policies on these issues, unlike the way the Left thinks about the aforementioned Israel.


Nope. The International Socialist Fabians really do want to destroy the US as constituted. They really do hate you and everything you believe WKL.

https://mises.org/library/fabian-freeway-high-road-socialism-usa

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice March 04, 2016 8:42 PM  

@6 Ron Winkleheimer

So the left is going all in on the raciss charges to try to make him toxic.

I can't wait for this part -- Trump's going to hit back twice as hard. Some points I'd love for him to make are:

--- Al Sharpton's past as a racist agitator, which led to death (Freddy's Fashion Mart) and character defamation (Steven Pagones);
--- La Raza;
--- Black Lives Matter vs the state of blacks in Dem-controlled inner cities;
--- Obama's beloved pastor, Jeremiah Weight ...

and that's just off the top of my head. The whole David Duke thing is just a blip on the radar (honestly, I was positive that he'd back Carson!).

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 10:12 PM  

121. Escoffier March 04, 2016 6:41 PM
what has been conserved?



i'd say the Cultural Marxists have done a pretty good job of preserving their "march of the inexorable forces of history", even if they have to keep redefining what those forces and outcomes are.

maybe a couple of more decades and they'll have managed to move the Overton Window on polymorphous perversity over to include unlimited pedophilia, which has been a Frankfort School goal since the 1930s. they're already pretty far along in implementing World War Trans.


regardless, you keep misusing the language.

don't assert that you knew what you were asking when you can't even compose your questions properly.

yes, all of us here are well aware that, at best, the Republican Party is following the Democratic Party into their Satanic holiness spiral with a delay of no more than 30 years on the pace the Demoncrats are setting.

even that crazy Nationalist Libertarian Vox is trying to 'conserve' the principles of limited government and personal freedom. heck, the Alpha Game subtitle explicitly says he's trying to save ( conserve ) Western Civilization.

and i've no doubt that you yourself are also trying to 'conserve' some philosophical or political viewpoint.

being afraid to label yourself as such has nothing to do with whether or not your actions or desires qualify for the word.

maybe you'd like to label yourself a Progressive? as you move away from the ideas you used to hold?

Blogger alecj March 04, 2016 11:25 PM  

Just passing through but i had to say---

wow...just, wow.

This is delusional stuff, folks.

Im not sure what Trump rabbit hole youve gone down, but its reminiscent of the wild accusations and mutual masturbatory fantasies i see on far left websites.

Everywhere Trump has a fan club, the once proudly intellectual have delved into conspiracy, and odd confirmation bias.

None of us have changed. The conservatives who dont happen support a pathological liar, con man, are not hiding some sudden secret globalist cabal. Listen to yourselves.

Its an echo chamber in here. Thats the only reason im saying anything. Ill never bother you again.

The attacks that are soon coming my way dont matter. If it makes you feel better, have at it.

The term "cuckservative" has become an over used, slap fight attack, by alt right, nut jobs who are a bit too clingy to "white race" talk. You might as well blame the Jooooooos. Its unbecoming. Also, immediately a stain on your credibility outside the echo chamber.

Its all just an observation. Ignore it as you like.

AJ.


Blogger Groot March 04, 2016 11:48 PM  

@47. BluePony:
"an old, established power class of alpha sociopaths who will say anything and cross any line to get what they want."

Trump, defined. Except for the little fingers. That's the one part of being an alpha you can't fake.

@62. Mercy Vetsel:

Fuck me for agreeing with a Jersey liberal, but you nailed this one. Some of the cucks I've cucked were in genuine pain, but some had the little smirk, and those I truly despise. Short Fingers is already flirting with the waitress, the nanny and your sister: He propounded his support for H1-B visas. "In 2008, I supported Hillary Clinton." "Repudiated the Jeff Sessions Immigration Plan -- which was the only reason to support him -- by declaring he was 'changing' and 'softening' it because we need all these highly-skilled people to take our jobs. Then said he would be 'flexible' on the wall and deporting illegals and pretty much admitted he'd said as much to the New York Times editorial board, and then, in case you were unsure if you'd heard him right, praised Marco Rubio's Amnesty plan as 'fine' and a good opening bargaining position."

Finally, "His answers to questions about Trump University and the budget were somewhat uncomfortable to watch, in much the same way that it is uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school for blind children and even worse the clowns were doing their "Gasoline Comedy" act that day and now all the blind children are on fire and the clowns are trying to squirt water on them with their stupid lapel-flowers but the flowers are just squirting out more gas and the children are crying tears of fire out of their Unseeing Dead Eyes and holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners and they're chasing around the fiery blind children trying to rub up on them with these bobbling clown-boners with big red bulbs on their tips."

Look forward to more mockery, you limp, closeted cucks.

Blogger bob k. mando March 05, 2016 1:43 AM  

128. alecj March 04, 2016 11:25 PM
The term "cuckservative" has become an over used



Vox is the man who invented the term, you twit. did it make you clutch your pearls? it was supposed too.



128. alecj March 04, 2016 11:25 PM
wow...just, wow.



you realize this is SJW language you're using? probably not, you guys tend to be pretty oblivious.



129. Groot March 04, 2016 11:48 PM
Look forward to more mockery, you limp, closeted cucks.



who was it you wanted us to vote for, again? the Canadian national?

yeah, you aren't so Groot anymore.

Blogger Groot March 05, 2016 3:06 AM  

Yet, you are so k. mando, you panty-less bitch. Limp, closeted cuck. This is going to be so much fun, Princess. Lap it up, bob on the nob. I can hardly wait.

Blogger Escoffier March 05, 2016 6:49 AM  


being afraid to label yourself as such has nothing to do with whether or not your actions or desires qualify for the word.

maybe you'd like to label yourself a Progressive? as you move away from the ideas you used to hold?


Since I've self identified as a Nationalist on several occasions I'm pretty sure I'm not scared of labelling myself.


and i've no doubt that you yourself are also trying to 'conserve' some philosophical or political viewpoint.


Actually no Bob, I'm trying to conserve a Nation and a people.

Blogger The Other Robot March 05, 2016 9:56 AM  

Hey Mr Mercy, you cuck sucker, many of us registered to vote in the Primaries for you know who!

Also, lots are going to vote for Trump today.

Blogger bob k. mando March 05, 2016 2:30 PM  

132. Escoffier March 05, 2016 6:49 AM
Actually no Bob, I'm trying to conserve a Nation and a people.



and you think this particular nation is worth conserving simply because they're "your family"? there's no ideological basis to your stance at all?

then why are you demanding that "Conservatives" defend themselves ideologically? especially when you can't even define the ideological base upon which they are supposed to be standing.


so far as Groot is concerned, nice to see that you've decided to go completely content free and descended to total invective.

shall we call the this the "Full Hoyt" strategy? everybody knows you never go Full Hoytard, boy. the Academy doesn't go for that.


Anonymous Bukulu March 05, 2016 3:45 PM  

" America for the Americans. Israel for the Israelis. France for the French. Undsoweiter."

So far so good, but what about the globalists? Maybe Antarctica for them?

Blogger Groot March 05, 2016 4:32 PM  

@130. bob k. mando:
"you aren't so Groot anymore"

That's kind of a weird compliment. Remember when "retarded" was the polite way of saying "idiot" but now elicits gasps? And no matter what you call Black folks, it soon becomes an insult. "Groot" became a compliment because I am Groot. And I am Groot wherever I go and wherever I am, for decades now, and using whatever handle I choose. And, no, I won't do your hypothetical wife/girlfriend.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 06, 2016 10:19 AM  

There ain't no "World". Globulism is the same type of delusional fantasy as Zionism, Communism or Utopianism. It erroneously believes that all men are brothers in an infernal humanist fraternity. It is a Modern Version of The Tower of Babel.
If you are not of my ancestors, then you ain't my brother. You're not even a second cousin three times removed. Nations are Blood and Soil, and anyone who tells you different is either Stupid or Lying. Race is NOT a social construct. Racism is a social construct. Preferring people of your own ancestors is NORMAL and HEALTHY.
NORMAL and HEALTHY are what Globulists, Communists, Socialist, SJWs and Cuckservatives all HATE. All their HATE is just disguised antipathy to NORMAL and HEALTHY behavior. Only the Sick and Twisted need Nanny Gubmint to feed, shelter and wipe their noses with PC SHIT.
Sick and Twisted is what they are, and why they HATE us. HATE them back, its reciprocity. Treat them the way they treated you. Embrace the HATE. Feel it flow through you. The Sick and Twisted have no place in OUR WORLD.
THE NEW ORDER must be based on Blood and Soil. The Sick and Twisted are not welcome, even as prisoners. Get thee out, Satan.
Join the Mobile Infantry, get citizenship. Only Veterans and those who are willing to fight may ever VOTE. Join the Dark Side. Light is the Lie of Lucifer. Join US or Die.

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