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Wednesday, March 09, 2016

The price of truth

Rollo explains the price:
One tenet of that build-a-positive-fantasy-life mental model is the clichéd notion that you should surround yourself with winners and blow off the losers in your life. It’s a simple aphorism that rolls off the tongue easy; associate with winners and that winning will rub off on you. What they don’t tell you to do is how to cut out the unhappy and unlucky persons in your life who also happen to be your oldest friends or closest family members.

This is one of those painful truths that will set you free, but still stings like a bitch.

But eliminate them, or marginalize them you must. Most guys know this, or they come to know it as the first thing once they unplug. There’s a cost to Red Pill awareness.
That being said, the cost isn't quite as great as most people fear. While it's true that neither liars nor those comfortable being deceived like being around those determined to seek the truth, the fact is that it's really not very enjoyable being around either sort.

The liars constantly engage in preemptive attacks to discredit you so that they'll take less damage in the event you call them out for their incessant shenanigans, and the deceived react angrily every time you say anything that might threaten their cherished illusions.

For most men, finally walking away comes as a great relief.

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Anonymous grey enlightenment March 09, 2016 2:14 PM  

The problem with this advice is what if the tables turn and you become the 'loser' who is down on their luck? Then you will have no one left to turn to. If you cut someone off, it;s likely then will never want anything to do with you again. Proceed with caution.

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Blogger Mussorgsky112 March 09, 2016 2:15 PM  

The price is small compared to the benefits of awareness. Sure, just as Plato warned us, some will run back to the cave and fasten the chains back where they were, but the rest of us enjoy enlightenment. Convert those you can but don't waste your time on those who refuse to open their eyes... Unless you have an audience that may be persuaded. Just as a debate with a communist, feminist, or cuckservative will not convince them that they're wrong, the audience is the true target for persuasion

Blogger Ahazuerus March 09, 2016 2:27 PM  

@1

Been down on my luck a time or two. Never become a loser thereby. The loser is the guy who lets his luck dominate him, who gives up eternal principles for temporary advantage.

A big part of not being a loser is learning this.

Blogger Anchorman March 09, 2016 2:31 PM  

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Anonymous patrick kelly March 09, 2016 2:31 PM  

Walking away is easy, figuring out where to walk toward is difficult. I've wasted too much time spinning in circles.

Blogger BassmanCO March 09, 2016 2:32 PM  

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Blogger BassmanCO March 09, 2016 2:33 PM  

@1

There is a difference between being unlucky and being a loser. They often go hand-in-hand, but not always. Good people will recognize the discrepancy if there is one.

Blogger Anchorman March 09, 2016 2:34 PM  

I unplugged about four years ago or so.

I think once you’ve recognized the reality and internalized the tenets, two things occur:

1) People definitely notice a difference or start reacting differently to what you say and
2) It’s not as difficult to cut ties once you’ve re-prioritized your life.

So, when the cut happens, they all but expect it.

The only time I found someone shocked was a woman I dated for three months. She really thought she had her hooks set and when I walked away, she was floored by the abrupt, non-traditional, "We're done" approach.

Blogger Chiva March 09, 2016 2:50 PM  

from the article:
there is no way a man can respect himself if he’s choosing to spend time with people who don’t respect him.

Been there, done that. No more.

Anonymous BGKB March 09, 2016 2:51 PM  

I have always known its better to be alone than in a bad relationship.

Blogger Rabbi B March 09, 2016 3:05 PM  

The liars constantly engage in preemptive attacks to discredit you so that they'll take less damage in the event you call them out for their incessant shenanigans, and the deceived react angrily every time you say anything that might threaten their cherished illusions.

As usual, spot on.

Help, Lord, for no one is faithful anymore;
those who are loyal have vanished from the human race.

Everyone lies to their neighbor;
they flatter with their lips
but harbor deception in their hearts.

May the L-rd silence all flattering lips
and every boastful tongue—

(cf. Psalm 12)

Trustworthiness in all things is a basic cornerstone and foundation of all human relationships. We should be able to trust in the words and deeds of our companions and make certain that our deeds are in conformity with our words, rather than engaging in pernicious trap-setting.

It all comes down to selfishness and vanity. Once selfishness reigns where altruism once held sway, mutual trust is inevitably eroded. What is the prime consequence of all this? The upshot? A complete corruption of the sacredness of the human word i.e. the "smooth speech" described in Psalm 12.

Our Sages describe the Hebrew idea of smooth speech after this fashion:

The concept of smoothness connotes a division or a separation. The idea that nothing can cling to a surface that is entirely smooth, or support itself thereon. In other words, all of speech has been "polished" and words and expressions are thereby deprived of their "sharpness" or effect. They no longer offer a firm foundation for anything and become nothing more than smooth expressions that belie obedience.

We are exhorted to guard and fortify ourselves against this kind of speech, the kind of speech which does not express thoughts truthfully, but seeks to cloak our thoughts in falsehood.

As one of my favorite and revered teachers put it:

"When evil and falsehood are swathed in a cloak of goodness and truth, when men will attempt to do great things simply with words, and when the power of the human word is exploited for selfish purposes, then happiness and morality will indeed become scarce in this world."

There is no doubt in my small mind that we find ourselves living in such a time as this. May G-d have mercy. I frankly can't wait until the day the prophets speak about, a day when the whole world takes the following to heart . . .

These are the things you shall do:
Speak each man the truth to his neighbor;
Give judgment in your gates for truth, justice, and peace;

Let none of you think evil in your heart against your neighbor;
And do not love a false oath.
For all these are things that I hate,’
Says the Lord.”

cf. Zechariah 8)

That day can't come soon enough.

Blogger Jed Mask March 09, 2016 3:14 PM  

True. Amen.

Blogger tz March 09, 2016 3:15 PM  

Jason Stapleton (new libertarian media personality) notes that there are people who are without a job but are actively looking and there are losers who just want to sit around until a job finds them. Winners lose. Losers often don't even fight.

But the mentality goes beyond the psychosexual and social. What if a robber breaks into your house? Dial 911 even knowing average response time is 11 minutes or shoot? What if there is a natural disaster or terrorist attack and it will be a month (not just a week or two) of Katrina like conditions? What if the financial system collapses and your credit/debit cards won't work and the banks are closed for a while? In one sense the denial is worse - I won't be a victim of an implacable criminal, disasters won't happen, The FED wouldn't let that happen (like they prevented the dot-com bust and mortgage collapse). But the I'll call the cops, or FEMA will save me, The FDIC will show up with bags of cash is bad too.

Reality is something you must actively engage with, almost dance with, in all things and on all levels.

During Lent, you are supposed to examine your conscience and turn away from sin, but the other half is often not emphasized. You must turn toward God. I can extend that and say you need to recognized his creation and creatures including men and women as they are, not as you wish them to be.

After putting off the old losers, you can - if you are willing - find like minded people rooted in reality. Galt's Gulch is an archipelago, but rarely are the larger islands in the blue cities. Zion awaits, but you must travel there, and it won't be as "nice" (which doesn't mean anything like true or good) as the Matrix, but it will be real.

Blogger Ahazuerus March 09, 2016 3:27 PM  

Well said, Mr tz.

Blogger Ahazuerus March 09, 2016 3:29 PM  

OT: Rape Rape is quoting Twain on the exaggerated reports of his death, after the demise of the legendary Beatles producer George Martin.

But you just know, if you've read any of his A Song of Ice and Fire books, that one day before they're finished he's going to Robert Jordan the lot of us.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 March 09, 2016 3:32 PM  

tz, well put but you missed one in the denier category. Tthe. "I don't need to be prepared because God will take care of me." To me that is putting God to the test.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 09, 2016 3:36 PM  

All successful relationships are based on mutual respect. If it's not mutual, it's not a successful relationship...so turning off the bilge pump is usually enough to scuttle it anyway.

A corollary: Rationalization is a powerful thing. When your actions frequently come back and bite you personally, there's a good chance you're rationalizing something. Gambling, drugs/alcohol and toxic relationships are good examples of vices people often rationalize.

Blogger Lovekraft March 09, 2016 3:40 PM  

Gavin McInnis recently touched on this with the line (IIRC) that these people we are avoiding are like that neurotic aunt who flies off the handle at the first inkling of a serious discussion.

Blogger Student in Blue March 09, 2016 3:43 PM  

But you just know, if you've read any of his A Song of Ice and Fire books, that one day before they're finished he's going to Robert Jordan the lot of us.

Write a long and popular fantasy series with way too many characters and a plot line that starts out strong but winds up going nowhere as more and more characters pile on, each being interesting short term but ultimately meaningless in the long term, eventually writing himself into a corner?

Oh, wait, you just meant "died".

Anonymous BGKB March 09, 2016 3:46 PM  

OT: Feminists toss urine at woman for saying only 2 genders exist, but they are against drug testing welfare recipients http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/05/libertarian-lauren-southern-assaulted-by-anti-fascist-protesters/
"“The feminist girls all were laughing at me and giving me the middle finger on the street, guys were screaming at me that ‘maybe that washed the scum off you,’” she recounted. “Despite their professed feminism, they don’t care about women if they have the wrong opinions. And despite their professed concern for ‘violence against women,’ they don’t care if women who disagree with them are physically attacked.”

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. March 09, 2016 3:53 PM  

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Blogger Mr. B.A.D. March 09, 2016 3:54 PM  

Winners are still winners even when they lose. They may lose everything but they never consider it final. Just a set back. Just a lull between winning.

Blogger praetorian March 09, 2016 3:54 PM  

The problem with this advice is what if the tables turn and you become the 'loser' who is down on their luck?

Unless you turn to a rather facile definition of "winner", wherein an internal mental state is all that is required, Gamma style.

I think this phrase captures the core problem I have with this vein of thought:

cut out the unhappy and unlucky persons in your life who also happen to be your oldest friends or closest family members.

There are people who are perfectly correct to be unhappy. We should apply reason and ask: "Is this unhappiness appropriate given the situation they find themselves in." And set the idea that someone who is simply unlucky should be avoided against the Sermon on the Mount. Particularly your friends and even more so your family: you have a duty to them that requires forebearance.

Yes, there are truly awful people that should be cut out of our lives, or, better avoided to begin with. Pearls, swine and all that. But I can't share the enthusiasm for this concept that others have. It seems a bit too much like Chicken Soup for The Superman's Soul.

/ prepares for ass blasting /

Anonymous Viking March 09, 2016 3:54 PM  

Off Topic, my opinion of the Queen just went up.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/08/happy-and-glorious-queen-elizabeth-ii-backs-britain-leaving-the-european-union/

Anonymous Kentucky koolaide Killer March 09, 2016 3:56 PM  

Shit yeah, in January we're cutting millions of losers.

Anonymous BGKB March 09, 2016 4:01 PM  

Particularly your friends and even more so your family: you have a duty to them that requires forebearance.

Family is different from Friends. You can have friends that leech off you for years without you realizing it because you have never needed to ask anything of them.

OT: Private Catholic School Gives in on Trannies http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/09/lgbt-lobby-bullies-catholic-school-into-accommodating-transgender-students/

Anonymous Pax_Romana March 09, 2016 4:09 PM  

I am in a position where both my immediate superior and my coworker are "losers." Despite being Christians, they refuse to take the red pill and remain moderates.

You are quite right, Vox, in your constant warnings about moderates, for my friends will only ever attack me and other right-winged individuals; never would they dare attack the left, or disagree with a woman.

However, because, they not only go to my church, but are people I work with, I think I'm going to have to emotionally distance myself, do my job to the best of my ability, and then disengage when my contract expires.

Thanks for posting this. I had been wondering why I had been feeling so attacked as of late, and they are probably part of the reason.

Blogger praetorian March 09, 2016 4:11 PM  

Family is different from Friends. You can have friends that leech off you for years without you realizing it because you have never needed to ask anything of them.

I completely agree. But good and long term friends are owed something from us as well.

And I recognize that this can be and is used to justify staying in abusive relationships. It's a complicated topic, of course.

Blogger tz March 09, 2016 4:14 PM  

@17 - That is true and by coincidence was the subject of Radiofree Redoubt this weekend. Some other points - most people buy insurance and have flash-lights or candles.

Somehow quitting your job and waiting for manna to feed you doesn't sound like a good idea.

Back in Genesis 3 the curse was that Adam would need to work to get the land to yield its produce. Why didn't he and Eve just go to Walmart and use their SNAP/EBT card?

There is something about being independent itself which is freeing. Having to steal to avoid starvation is the other side of the begging coin. It is one thing if you have a garden and some chickens, another thing is depending not really upon God, but your neighbor that has the garden and chickens to feed you in case of a catastrophe. "You can have some of my eggs if I can have some of your manna and quail you insisted God would provide". "But I have a need". "yes, but I have a gun and my preps are for my family".

There are those who like in Luke are just building bigger warehouses so they won't have to depend on God but they aren't as common. Most are just practical - Ted Koppel is not an alarmist but he wrote about the fragility of our power grid. 2008 showed out what happens when there is no very short term credit - no one will honor credit cards, and the banks would fail - even if you could wait for the FDIC. Or even something like what happened in San Bernadino or Paris. Small or large, everything is so interdependent and high-tech so is extremely brittle.

If you don't prep, you are planning to be a burden on other Christians who did, though you can euphemistically call it "the church". If you are dependent on the state, you very specifically aren't looking for God to provide but FEMA.

There is some interdependence from the division of labor, but at some point you don't want to place yourself where you have to beg Pagans or worse just to survive. And there are very, very, few preppers who don't claim to follow Christ. Better to be able to barter with your fellow Christians if the rapture doesn't happen on schedule.

Blogger Student in Blue March 09, 2016 4:18 PM  

@praetorian
/ prepares for ass blasting /

The problem with this is, of course, the definition of winner, loser, unhappy, unlucky.

Winners are people who win, that's a facile definition. But winners cannot realistically win all the time, they just win more often than not. So then, to be a winner you generally have to follow some sort of guidelines that will allow you to be more successful and competitive than others.

It's obvious that to be a winner, you have to do more than just "think like a winner"... you have to actually go out and do said things. You can't just believe you're a secret King and bam suddenly you're a King.

So in this same method of thought, losers are are not just someone who didn't happen to succeed this time, but someone *defined* by losing. Using the opposite definition of winning, "someone who loses more often than winning" is also ultimately a facile definition. There's nothing special about it, it's essentially the status quo since there's only a handful of winners and the majority are de facto losers.

Therefore someone who's defined by losing is more of a loser than normal. Those are the people who are wanting to drag you down.

"Unlucky" in these contexts then get defined in the vein of, "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." If someone is unlucky, either they never ever have opportunity... or they never bothered preparing. The latter is far more often the case.

So these people are essentially blaming others for their lack of progress. Should you completely cut them out of your life? That depends on the circumstances. Certainly the harder they try to wreck your life, the quicker you should drop them, but at the very least minimize bad influences on your life. Minimizing doesn't necessitate complete and purposeful dropping.

If you're a recovering alcoholic, shouldn't you try to minimize your time spent around your very-well-intentioned-but-heavy-drinking friends? At least when they're drinking?

In this case, the drinking is happening constantly.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 March 09, 2016 4:23 PM  

OT: what is with 17.5 million being the new league min. for QB in the NFL... Please somebody explain what Bradford, Oz, or Cousins has done to deserve that kind of scratch?

Blogger Marie March 09, 2016 4:55 PM  

"from the article:
there is no way a man can respect himself if he’s choosing to spend time with people who don’t respect him."

I'll have to remember to teach this one to my girls.

I could have saved my husband a lot of grief if I had figured this out sooner.

I thought it was important to maintain some family relations despite the disrespect. My husband was kind but firmly said no. Took me a while to figure it out. Now I'm a bit embarrassed I ever expected him to put up with those people.

Anonymous WaterBoy March 09, 2016 5:09 PM  

b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440: "OT: what is with 17.5 million being the new league min. for QB in the NFL... Please somebody explain what Bradford, Oz, or Cousins has done to deserve that kind of scratch?"

Supply and demand. When the supply of higher-caliber QBs is non-existant, demand shifts to the next lower tier with a corresponding upward shift in price.

The fact that the cap was just raised by another $12 million also factors in, as teams have a little more money to throw around.

Blogger J Van Stry March 09, 2016 5:12 PM  

Hence the term in many 'fandoms' and other 'creative' circles: Gafia or 'Gafing'. Getting Away From It All.

Where you finally get tired of the people who are so wrapped up in their little fantasy and deceit that they not only can't see reality, but they attack unmercifully those that do.

It's why a lot of very talented people have left the liberal arts over the decades, the SJW attacks just became too much trouble to bear and they moved on to something more productive.

It's also why those groups and circles are so heavily preyed upon by con man and compulsive liars.

Blogger John Williams March 09, 2016 5:18 PM  

Grey Coward, Go do it, regardless. You might even have a scary dream where you'll be riding a truck out of town with your buddies and they'll all be falling out the back, one by one and you know you'll be left alone if you stay in the truck and leave town. You won't die in the dream or real life. You'll do well and you buddies will do well.

Blogger RobertT March 09, 2016 5:19 PM  

This is something that just happens naturally as red pills live their lives. They're not in any danger of getting hooked with a loser in the first place. They can spot losers a mile away. If someone they can't avoid is a loser, like a family member, they simply marginalize them. It's unlikely their feelings will be hurt because they're probably marginalizing you at the same time. These are the people who will spend their lives talking about how egotistical you are.

Blogger J Van Stry March 09, 2016 5:23 PM  

@24, there is a lot more to it than that. I would suggest picking up Scott Adam's book 'How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big'.

I suggest it, because most of what he talks about I've done my whole life, and I've done very well since I learned those lessons.

Winners are people that win. They win because they don't quit and they refuse to lose. They're positive and they're happy. And because they refuse to quit, they always win, sooner or later, even if it wasn't the goal that they were originally trying to win at.

Losers are people who quit, are always done, are fast to give up, always have an excuse and are generally unhappy people. These people will drag you down with them, just like a drowning man. So you must cut them out of your life, or at least limit your exposure.

Blogger RobertT March 09, 2016 5:30 PM  

31. Student in Blue. You're overthinking. Losers and winners is way too simplistic a way to look at this stuff. So your're drilling down on a red herring. This is where i generally tell people, "Assumptions kill."

Blogger J Van Stry March 09, 2016 5:31 PM  

@1 The problem with this advice is what if the tables turn and you become the 'loser' who is down on their luck? Then you will have no one left to turn to. If you cut someone off, it;s likely then will never want anything to do with you again. Proceed with caution.

As someone who lost everything in his life once I can tell you that what you are saying doesn't matter. The losers aren't going to be the ones that help you, because they can't, they're losers. The only ones that can help you, are the winners, and they will help you, if they see you are working hard and trying to pull your own weight.

You can't ask a friend to let you couch surf if they don't have a couch, and they're not going to do it for you, unless they know it will only be temporary because they see you not only working your butt off, but you clean house for them, cook for them, and go build that deck out back that they've been talking about for years.

Bad things happen to all of us, it is how you respond to it that says if you're a winner or if you're a loser. It took me years to come back, but I never gave up.

Blogger Student in Blue March 09, 2016 5:57 PM  

@39. RobertT

Feel free to explain your position then.

Blogger Jourdan March 09, 2016 6:08 PM  

Yeah, this is one of a few areas where my views don't mesh here with most others'. While there are clearly such things as winners and losers, in my experience they tend to be outliers, and as such there are not many of them. Most people are somewhere in-between and will change, sometimes dramatically, as a result of experience. There are plenty of people I knew in my 20s who I thought at the time were winners, who are clearly losers now, and vice versa.

And the elephant in the room is the subjective measure by which the judgment of winner is made. In modern, American culture, there are a lot of things that make "winners" out of people that I find morally repugnant.

Anonymous FooBakka March 09, 2016 6:34 PM  

@Garrulus

Actually, LWN has had that model for about a decade now. I've been a subscriber on multiple occasions.

I am a fan of Jonathan Corbet and the work he's done for the Linux and OSS community. He's a technologist who's articles about the Linux kernel internals and community processes are top notch.

That being said, I am disappointed that he has succumb to the SJW movement. My feeling on him is that what makes him a great technical writer (empathy; being able to grok other people's code AND the technical reasons for the code) and the fact that he mostly embodies the profile of hardcore geek has led him to submit to the SJW cause.

I wish I knew him in person - I would get his but into the gym to up his T and have him use his talent to focus on improving Linux and OSS instead of getting led-on by SJWs.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 09, 2016 6:44 PM  

Let the dead weights and do nothings go, if one must pray for them FROM a distance. My experiment of ending the wrong relationships since 11/2015 has worked but the hangers-on are boomers wanting to mommy, daddy me, run me or pester me - Don't know, Don't care.

Prayed for them, cut em' loose to the point of ending my landline phone.

Which is not uncommon, no cable tv, no cell phone, no texting, not into it.

Blogger Azimus March 09, 2016 7:00 PM  

you should surround yourself with winners and blow off the losers in your life

For the winners, doesn't this create a situation where they are surrounded by a cloud of servile wannabe's?

Anonymous BGKB March 09, 2016 7:24 PM  

In modern, American culture, there are a lot of things that make "winners" out of people that I find morally repugnant.

The person who buys lists of Alzheimers patients to scam will have more money than most legitimate winners. But winners are those that will did ditches if they have to in order to eat.

Anonymous 5343 March 09, 2016 7:46 PM  

If you have to cut people (especially relatives) out of your life to cope or prosper, it speaks to a weakness in your own character. It's better to manage them: use common sense to limit the time and damage they are able to do while remaining a decent, unselfish human being.

There is this cool word called "No" that I'm told works exceedingly well ...

Blogger Kona Commuter March 09, 2016 8:00 PM  

How about when you realise that _you're_ the loser? That's a kick in the guts!

Blogger Nate March 09, 2016 8:14 PM  

Yes. But that is step one to improving.

Anonymous Rolf March 09, 2016 8:14 PM  

In my experience, most people really, really don't want to hear, find, or know the truth unless it supports their pre-existing view of something. They want to be "right" in the sense they never hear contrary evidence or reasoning. Try to put forth a supportable fact (no, more concealed carry permits has NOT resulted in higher murder rates, here are the FBI stats to support the point), reasonable assumption and logical chain of events (if you make welfare comfortable enough, you will increase the number of people choosing to be on it), and they turn to stick their fingers in their ears and sing LA-LA-LA-LA, or call me cold-hearted, or try to DISQUALIFY, or dismiss it all as "well, those are just YOUR facts, but I've heard otherwise" (while never, actually, you know, having other facts they are able or willing to provide), or tell me I need to keep an open mind.

I'm constantly telling people "I'd be happy to be proven wrong - where is the opposing data or logical chain of reasoning?" And I mean it, truly I do. I want to be right in the "my views conform with reality" way.

Blogger JCclimber March 09, 2016 8:43 PM  

There is one thing that can avoid some of this lack of respect. You need to have something in your life that can be pointed to as a life changing event. Something that can allow them to open up the box where they have pigeon-holed you into whatever your past socio-sexual status was.

Becoming a Christian.
Near death experience.
Major traumatic event (not losing a girlfriend or something).
A visit to AA or something similar.
Living abroad for a period of time.

Then you just say "that event changed everything for me. I'm a completely different person from the one who was before . I love the new me."

And then shut yer mouth on the topic, leave it mysterious, and SHOW them that you are completely different. And then if they still won't change their perception, ghost them.

You'll find that most people will accept the changes, unless you are constantly backsliding. Also, if you're trying to jump a couple rungs on the ladder, that is going to be a tougher sell.

Anonymous Jay Will March 09, 2016 8:45 PM  

"Winners" and "losers" are defined by character. A man at the lower end of the success spectrum can have solid character, super rich players can display horrible character. Jack Nicklaus has always come across like a man with strong character. Family man, don't detect false modesty in him. Men with strong character never sweat the small stuff. People can achieve success and have poor character quite easily, specific skills learnt etc, but when it goes wrong they have nothing to fall back on in their core being.

The Nazi experiment would be to allow a man to build his life, then take ALL of it away, not just stuff but all the people he cares about. Who is he now? The stronger his character the easier for him to rebuild, if he is weak in character he will likely crumble.

Unsurprisingly mine is very low, hence in the loser camp, therefore to be avoided.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice March 09, 2016 9:09 PM  

@47 5343
If you have to cut people (especially relatives) out of your life to cope or prosper, it speaks to a weakness in your own character. It's better to manage them: use common sense to limit the time and damage they are able to do

Definitely set parameters on relationships like this so you're not sucked dry. Say you've got a friend/relative who is constantly in trouble ($, drugs, whatever) and you're constantly bailing this person out. At some point, you need to explain that your help will end until he/she makes some changes. Maybe you just need this person to meet you half way, but you can't force someone to change -- it needs to be a conscious decision on that person's part.

Blogger Groot March 09, 2016 9:39 PM  

Most guys just need to show up, and then keep at it. The most pervasive fear I hear in those who don't hit the weights is that the big guys will mock them. And yet in all the years I've attended gyms, the only sentiment I've ever heard expressed about the scrawny newbie is, "At least he's working out." There will be plateaus where progress slows, but there's always a surge of improvement at the start. The only losers are those who don't try.

Blogger The Other Robot March 09, 2016 10:07 PM  

A convicted sex offender leads transgender efforts to allow men to use women's bathrooms.

Priceless.

Blogger Student in Blue March 09, 2016 11:11 PM  

@Azimus
For the winners, doesn't this create a situation where they are surrounded by a cloud of servile wannabe's?

In what reality would servile wannabe's ever be classified as winners, and thus something winners should surround themselves with?

Blogger bob k. mando March 09, 2016 11:13 PM  

50. Rolf March 09, 2016 8:14 PM
In my experience, most people really, really don't want to hear, find, or know the truth unless it supports their pre-existing view of something. They want to be "right" in the sense they never hear contrary evidence or reasoning.



that's According to Hayt in a nutshell.

on the one hand, she proclaims herself "more American" than these guys:
http://www.vetsfordonaldtrump.com/

while at the same time refusing to ban people laughing about the Rotherham rapes ... because that guy is on her side.

Blogger SciVo March 10, 2016 12:05 AM  

You should be able to tell the difference between the guy or gal who just got stunned with a setback, and the one who is a bottomless black hole of need. If you can't tell the difference, then you have bigger problems. And if you can tell the difference, then you should absolutely cut the latter out of your life, since his or her issue will drag you down.

Doesn't matter if it's drugs, alcohol, gambling, stealing, slutting around, drama making or whatever. Cut out the endless pit of energy.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 10, 2016 1:36 AM  

47, 48 very agreed.

Some families dont love, reject/abuse any blood relative whom outshines their own kids or whom disturbs their precious peace.

Major character flaws; since 11/2015 that was on mind quite often in my experiment or path to end the problematic or excessively stressful orbiters. Which led me to ask if I was the lower vibrational toxic person or the trouble or if its the generational disconnect I suggest it could be any of the three.

What galls me was how often I noted humanity seeking me or another young person out to drain, constrain, repress or re-create the past (failed, deceased, void) relationships with me being their future gal pal. It could be my already existing semi anti social reluctance and (looking back to historical evidence) past falling outs with the boomerhumors that led me to root them out.

In 2/2016's experiment, I did contact all necessary family parties to say hi and advise them of my disconnect plan due to economics. At any time they could have added me to their phone plans at $10 per mo., so perhaps they dont want me around anyways. I remind them of my father whom they neither regard nor regard me but alas I tried.

I'm at fault for the loss or the distance of friends within my peer or age group - I failed them so to speak.

Spending under $4 for the office phone or lobby pay phone per month versus the $115 to $135 for web and landline combined is unlivable, austerity, econ requires harsh hair cuts.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 10, 2016 3:18 AM  

"Most guys just need to show up,"
Will you ? ya know,"show up?" Or are you one of those obsessed with someones behind that you prefer to (ahem ) lead from there ". Groot you wooden headed fool, You talk shit but you won't do shit. I won't relent my own damn self, comic book boy.

Blogger The Kurgan March 10, 2016 6:22 AM  

Grey enlightenment,
May your kind die of spontaneous human combustion. Spineless creature. Your interest is in being part of some group, any group, truth be damned. I hate your type of creature with a passion. Your kind is what causes all vileness on Earth. YOU are people of the lie.
And to be clear, VD referred to truth being the defining factor, not some other ephemeral function. Truth.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx March 10, 2016 8:29 AM  

Pro tip: If you want to make the loser go away forever, just loan him some money (or a tool, etc.) the next time he asks. Every time he surfaces, ask "hey got that $20?" It's effective and inexpensive.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 10, 2016 11:03 AM  

Winners are people that win. They win because they don't quit and they refuse to lose.

Let's be clear though that "don't quit" and "refuse to lose" doesn't mean you never pull the plug on any specific endeavor. Not everything you try is going to work, and a huge part of success is knowing when it's time to move on to the next idea and having the self-confidence to accept when you've failed without wallowing in a pit of self-despair.

"Don't quit" really means "don't take the easy way when the hard way is better" and a lot of the time, the easy way is to keep trudging along on a march that isn't going to go anywhere.

Anonymous Discard March 10, 2016 3:27 PM  

63. Jack Amok: I can think of a couple easy examples of losers who are losers because they don't quit. Not good enough athletes and entertainers. If you're 43, waiting on tables, and waiting for a call Steven Spielberg, you're probably a loser. Same for 28 year old amateur shortstops hoping to break into the major leagues.

Blogger mistaben March 10, 2016 5:38 PM  

Orrin Woodward put it this way: Winners hate losing enough to change, and losers hate changing enough to lose.

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