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Sunday, March 13, 2016

The violence inherent in the system

Michael Sebastian concludes that the "Trump is violence" meme being pushed by the media this week is the result of the Stop Trump meeting at Sea Island:
After Trump won the Michigan and Missouri primaries with strong numbers, the establishment went into panic mode. They arranged a meeting between execs of top technology companies Apple, Facebook, and Google, and the members of the GOP establishment including Karl Rove, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Ben Sasse and Kevin McCarthy.

The conspirators met on a private island off the coast of Georgia called Sea Island. Their goal? To plot how to stop the GOP front runner—Donald Trump. We don’t know what plans the elite concocted at this meeting because it was invitation-only. However, we may glean the nature of the plan from the events that followed.

After the meeting, the next Republican debate in Miami was a muted affair. Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich mostly laid back. While they did throw some light punches in Trump’s direction, it was probably the most civil debate to date. Did the other candidates know that the establishment had something in store for Trump?

The very next day, Trump was scheduled to have a rally in Chicago. MoveOn.org, Bernie Sanders supporters, and other leftwing groups coordinated a massive protest. This was combined with hundreds of threats of violence on social media, including threats against Trump’s life. To preserve the safety of his supporters, Trump canceled the rally.

Immediately after the cancellation, I noticed that all the networks suddenly were carrying the same story—how Donald Trump’s words provoke his followers to violence. There was nothing about the threats on social media to assassinate Trump. Only this unprovable allegation that Trump’s words somehow caused his supporters turn violent.

The major newspapers carried the same message:

One of the most startling things about is how quickly all of the mainstream media outlets adopted the “Trump’s rhetoric causes violence” message. It’s notable because Trump’s rhetoric has never been violent. At most, Trump told his supporters that if someone throws a punch at them at a rally, they should punch right back. To me, that is not a violent message. It is just common sense self-defense. It is the same advice my mom gave to me on my first day of kindergarten.

Some of the media outlets say that Trump’s message about building a wall and putting a temporary ban on Islamic immigration are somehow inherently violent. But those policies are several months old. Why did the violence narrative suddenly take hold? I believe that this was a coordinated attack by the media, which is owned and controlled by the elite.

If you would have asked me one year ago, I would have said that this was a crazy idea. But after we all lived through the attack upon Return of Kings surrounding the meetups, where dozens of news outlets in different countries all carried the same false message, it is clear that media coordination does take place.
The good news is that it is not working. The now-obvious fact of the establishment support for Cruz (which you may recall I observed from the start), to say nothing of Cruz's own missteps, is driving many of his supporters to Trump.

For those readers here who are not yet behind Trump, what I would ask you is this: do you support the US establishment? If not, then why aren't you lined up with the man they obviously hate and fear more than anyone?

Rubio, Kasich, and Cruz are all owned by them. Trump, for all of his ideological and personal flaws, is not. They are not pulling out all the stops in a desperate attempt to try to stop him in some sort of elaborate charade. Nor do they believe that Hillary Clinton can beat him, or they would simply let him enjoy his moment in the sun before defeat in the general election.

They fear him. So, ask yourself this: why?

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191 Comments:

Blogger Ezekiel March 13, 2016 2:06 PM  

Trump should hold another rally in Chicago to prove that he can't be cowed, and he should start paying protestors for all the help they're giving him.

OT: Any idea if Trump has said or done anything about the Oregon ranchers? Could use that as a warning that two can play at this game.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 2:07 PM  

OT: Any idea if Trump has said or done anything about the Oregon ranchers? Could use that as a warning that two can play at this game.

He supports the federal government's current land management policies.

Blogger Ezekiel March 13, 2016 2:09 PM  

>To me, that is not a violent message. It is just common sense self-defense. It is the same advice my mom gave to me on my first day of kindergarten.

Possibly worth noting that, in this day and age, this is the kind of advice that gets parents a visit from DFCS.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 2:09 PM  

For those readers here who are not yet behind Trump, what I would ask you is this: do you support the US establishment? If not, then why aren't you lined up with the man they obviously hate and fear more than anyone?

1) No

2) Because the lesser of two evils is still evil

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 2:11 PM  

At most, Trump told his supporters that if someone throws a punch at them at a rally, they should punch right back. To me, that is not a violent message. It is just common sense self-defense. It is the same advice my mom gave to me on my first day of kindergarten.

Untrue.

Trump has talked about wishing that it was like in the good old days when protestors would have been carried out on stretchers.

He's joked about paying the legal bills of his supporters who attack protesters.

Blogger Ben Cohen March 13, 2016 2:14 PM  

Trump will take down the establishment.

Just to see Williamson's head explode when he gets elected is worth it all.

Blogger Ben Cohen March 13, 2016 2:15 PM  

Who did you support Josh? Rand Paul?

Anonymous #NeverTrump March 13, 2016 2:15 PM  

Josh ... I stand with you, so does Rubio, Cruz, National Review and all SANE principled conservatives.

Vox Day is a nazi now. He needs to be taken out.

Blogger Blackburn #0040 March 13, 2016 2:16 PM  

Josh wrote:

2) Because the lesser of two evils is still evil


Sorry, Jesus is busy running the universe. He's more fit for king though anyway.

Blogger Blackburn #0040 March 13, 2016 2:19 PM  

So we destroy the Grand old foam Party, what is our new party going to be; American People's Front or The Peoples Front of America?

Blogger Ben Cohen March 13, 2016 2:19 PM  

The Cain Train has endorsed the Trump Train!

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:20 PM  

It has got to the point that when I read anything in the media I think "the opposite is probably true."

I am starting to place Josh in the same category.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:20 PM  

The Cain Train has endorsed the Trump Train!

The train is fine.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 13, 2016 2:21 PM  

"So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."

So, Josh will you let me throw a tomato at you without you defending yourself? What if I had used a syringe to inject bleach into it? Or if I had cored it and put a lead weight in it?
You really would not know what is being thrown at you, would you? Would punching the person cocking an arm to throw something at you be self defense?

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:22 PM  

I wonder if there is anyone still alive from 1930's Germany who can regale us with the similarities, or if there are any good translations of the media and its running dogs[1] and owners.

What's the use of Communist epithets if you can't use them when they are appropriate?

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 2:22 PM  

Who did you support Josh? Rand Paul?

Yes

Anonymous BGKB March 13, 2016 2:25 PM  

Trump is obviously to blame for the over 100 murders and over 500 shootings so far this year in Chicongo, twice the amount of the same time last year. Will the "Trump is violence" backfire on them with examples of leftist violence, and lead to the guillotines/ lampposts for the traitor class?

He supports the federal government's current land management policies.

That's like saying Bill C supports current rape & airplane/car sabotage laws.

He's joked about paying the legal bills of his supporters who attack protesters.

He only has to pay once and leftists will be too scared to protest.

OT:Brown male reporter says he dindu nuttin but was slammed and arrested at cancelled chicongo rally.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/12/media/cbs-sopan-deb-arrest-trump-rally

"CBS News also aired footage of the rally and of Deb's arrest, which he managed to capture on tape. In the accompanying article, Deb said police abruptly threw him to the ground and handcuffed him.

Deb was charged with resisting arrest, "although there is no sign of that on the video," according to CBS. "

What if I had used a syringe to inject bleach into it? Or if I had cored it and put a lead weight in it?

Or let Dan Savage spread disease on it.

Blogger RobertT March 13, 2016 2:25 PM  

The good news is that it is not working.

That warms my heart. But the OH WSJ Marist poll isn't good today.
WSJ has been repeatedly been off on polls, and the weekend turmoil may not be represented. Of course there's always MO.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:26 PM  

Perhaps Cruz just said, will no one rid me of this meddlesome German-American?

Cruz camp tried to steal the debate

I like the imagery.

Blogger #7139 March 13, 2016 2:27 PM  

The Establishment must be cast out into the darkness were there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.

Anonymous Roundtine March 13, 2016 2:30 PM  

@9

American People's Front replaces the GOP, The Peoples Front of America replaces the Democrat Party. We have staged fights about the salt content in fast food french fries in order to hide the fact that it's still a one party state.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:32 PM  

@19: I think you meant gnashing ... otherwise they should probably see a dentist.

Anonymous Karl Rove, GOP political supergenius March 13, 2016 2:33 PM  

These GOP voters are really fucking dumb. We need to do what the Democrats are doing, but call it something else. Limbaugh calls this "The Big Theory." We really need to pass No Child Left Behind but talk about abortion too.

Let me put it in my computer model here...

da da da

bebe bebebe beep beep beep beep beep

bzzz boopy boop bah

...

...

COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM!

Anonymous Cinco March 13, 2016 2:36 PM  

It has become self evident that the establishment is out to get Trump. While Josh is correct that the lesser of two evils is still evil, this is more cheering for David while he battles Goliath. I may think David ought to hit the weight room and use a sword to do his work, but at the end of the day Goliath is still in for it. The establishment needs to take a head shot, pure and simple. Who hits them in the head is largely irrelevant at this point.

Blogger praetorian March 13, 2016 2:42 PM  

Josh, I support G.K. Chesterton for President. But that shit ain't relevant.

Blogger Billy March 13, 2016 2:42 PM  

Its common knowledge Cruz was a Goldman Sachs funded puppet and free trade globalist. I just didn't realize that he was also a lying sack of shit politician(at least not to such a high degree). The fact of him siding with SJW and BLM crowd over patriotic americans at the Trump rally, justify all my suspicions.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:43 PM  

When Hitl--er-Trump starts serving free beer at his rallies, watch out:

The free beer distributed at NSDAP rallies was also a factor.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy March 13, 2016 2:53 PM  

My wife and I are in a heavy gay/Jewish precinct in Mich, 41 GOP to almost 700 dem votes cast. We did the right thing for Trump because he is saying the things that need to be said. My neighbors are loosing their minds with hate for him for saying double plus ungood things. I hope he does not get killed, I foresee a bad outcome long term for that.

Blogger George March 13, 2016 2:55 PM  

This is starting to sound like Grover Cleveland in 1884.

"We love him for the enemies he has made."

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 2:56 PM  

Entirely off topic but why is it that so much that calls itself Science Fiction or Military Fiction today features men with tits?

Where is Kratman when you need a good read?

Blogger Bard March 13, 2016 3:04 PM  

Let us see if we have a massive chimp out in a heavy conceal carry city where thousand of Trump supporters gather

Blogger digra March 13, 2016 3:06 PM  

There is such a thing as a "necessary evil". Firefighters understand that sometimes we have to fight fire with fire.

Anonymous Rolf March 13, 2016 3:09 PM  

The left is big into "sustainable." How about calling it "sustainable government" or "7-generation decision-making."

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner March 13, 2016 3:09 PM  

This might be as good as Trump offering Pardons for anyone that kills a drug dealer, illegal alien drunk driver or MS-13 banger.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-pay-legal-fees-sucker-punch-protester-162717932.html

Blogger Rational Thinker March 13, 2016 3:09 PM  

The GOP Establishment and the media are pushing the same "violence" narrative they pushed effectively against the Tea Party. It's so obvious, I can't believe everyone isn't seeing the connection.

Anonymous Stickwick March 13, 2016 3:14 PM  

I have ultra-conservative friends who despise Trump and will not support him, because he's not an ideal candidate. They want someone gallant and principled, like George Washington. I want that, too. The problem is, we are not living in a George Washington time, we are living in a decadent and decayed time. We had our Washington candidate -- Ron Paul -- and he was rejected.

People make the mistake of thinking we are held down by bad leaders, but the truth is, we get the leadership we deserve. We do not deserve a Washington, we deserve the people on offer now. But by luck or by providence, we have a candidate who is not guaranteed to be an unmitigated disaster. Thanks to Vox, I understand that now.

I had intended to sit out this election, as I had sat out the last two, but I have changed my mind. In the previous election, friends tried to convince me to vote for Romney, not as a vote for the Republicans, but as a vote against the Democrats. Not even the prospect of another four years of Obama made me care enough to get off my duff for that GOP turnip. But now that the "conservative" establishment finally has its fangs out for Trump and for people like me, I care. They have managed to incense me in a way that even Obama could not. My vote for Trump will not be a vote against the Democrats, but a vote against the Republican establishment.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence March 13, 2016 3:15 PM  

"Entirely off topic but why is it that so much that calls itself Science Fiction or Military Fiction today features men with tits?"

Numerous reasons. Lots of gammas. Degenerate feminist culture. Lots of young guys, myself included, get soaked in it, think action grrrls are hot and have no respect for or exposure to feminine women. Get stuck on equalist bullshit. Then you make an actiony setting and you don't want the main group to be a sausage fest so suddenly it's time to write up yet another action grrrl. But unless you have shaken the gamma completely of course she'll be a Mary Sue because you can't write anything bad about m'lady.

Blogger Harsh March 13, 2016 3:22 PM  

You anti-Trumpkins can either get smart and start supporting the man now or be held responsible for the guy who comes next if Trump fails...

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence March 13, 2016 3:25 PM  

I can't believe I didn't see it before this post. I guess this is why Vox runs the blog. It's such an obvious forced meme. There is no way any honest person could be repeating this.

Sadly, and I've said it before, but so many conservatives I USED to respect are pushing Trump=Violence. It's bizarre. No honest person should be thinking it. No remotely intelligent person would side with leftist organized mobs. But they do. People who claim to be conservatives do and I don't understand it. Utter madness. They do NOT know who the enemy is.

"Entirely off topic but why is it that so much that calls itself Science Fiction or Military Fiction today features men with tits?"

Numerous reasons. Lots of gammas. Degenerate feminist culture. Lots of young guys, myself included, get soaked in it, think action grrrls are hot and have no respect for or exposure to feminine women. Get stuck on equalist bullshit. Then you make an actiony setting and you don't want the main group to be a sausage fest so suddenly it's time to write up yet another action grrrl. But unless you have shaken the gamma completely of course she'll be a Mary Sue because you can't write anything bad about m'lady.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 3:25 PM  

You anti-Trumpkins can either get smart and start supporting the man now or be held responsible for the guy who comes next if Trump fails...

I hear this claim a lot, but is there a historical precedent?

For example, who did the Germans reject before Hitler?

Or, is it the case that Hitler was actually the moderate alternative, and Germany never got to choosing someone worse than Hitler?

Blogger frigger611 March 13, 2016 3:26 PM  

Well I got my Trump ticket online last night and I stood in a queue in the cold pouring rain for nearly 3 hours. I showed up at 11 am for a 2 pm appearance. Even then the queue was about a 1000 feet long and 3-4 people wide. I took my place at the end and a volunteer said I was good - crowd numbered around 900 then for a 1300 seat venue.

The line moved at glacial speed but after 2 and a half hours I was within sight of the doors - my feet were by then absolutely numb from the cold rain. Proper dress shoes were a poor choice, but I digress.

Unfortunately at this same point in time, 2 adults ahead of me (aged 45-55 or so) suddenly ushered in their teenage children who HAD NOT WAITED IN LINE like the rest of us. (First 3 boys plied into the queue to the first adult, then 3 more boys to the 2nd. 10 minutes later 2 more boys wormed their way in as they were apparently friends with the first set of boys.

I was fuming but said nothing. I hoped not a lot of others did the same.

But apparently they did. I got cut off from entry (as did about 200 or 300 ahead of me).

Funny, I thought I was with a bunch of people who had tired of the kind of people demanding stuff or status they aren't actually willing to work for. Aggravating. I'm sure they aren't even aware. The millenials as bad as their boomer parents.

Blogger Lazarus March 13, 2016 3:26 PM  

Interesting. Former Rand Paul strategist has no problem working for Trump.

A pro-Donald Trump super PAC has tapped Jesse Benton, a veteran Republican operative with ties to Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell, to serve as its chief strategist.

Benton, 38, is a prominent figure in Republican politics. Earlier this election season, he oversaw a pro-Rand Paul super PAC. In 2014, he served as a top aide on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s reelection bid. In 2012, he helped to guide Sen. Ron Paul’s presidential bid. He also was top aide on Paul’s 2010 Senate bid.


Anonymous Stickwick March 13, 2016 3:26 PM  

Incidentally, I am having difficult accessing Twitter. It's been spotty the last two days, but now I can't get on at all. Anyone else having that problem?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 13, 2016 3:28 PM  

The "media" is in auto-delegitimizing mode, I would never miss pointing that out to someone who used them as the AUTHORITY.

Blogger Ahazuerus March 13, 2016 3:30 PM  

These fuckers have destroyed entire nations with their freedom bombs and love missiles; Afghanistan*, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia, Korea, Vietnam... they and the policies they support have killed millions, maimed millions more, and impoverished tens of millions.

... and they expect me to believe that they're deeply concerned about the inherent violence of Trump's political campaign, in which one female reporter has had her arm brushed by a stranger?

It's not the lies that bother me; I long ago came to expect those from self-serving opportunist arseholes such as these.

It's the contempt. They have nothing but contempt for other people. Especially and specifically the people who vote for them.

Anonymous Obvious Question March 13, 2016 3:30 PM  

Josh, you do recall that Rand Paul is not on the ballot?

Blogger Ahazuerus March 13, 2016 3:30 PM  

* ooops. Admittedly Afghanistan was pretty messed up already, but making the rubble bounce hasn't helped.

Blogger Rambam March 13, 2016 3:30 PM  

Powers that be are in panic mode. The question is: How far will they go? Is anything off the table? Well, I guess that's two questions actually.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 13, 2016 3:32 PM  

Those conservatives who push the meme of Trump=violence are women in mind and spirit, classic example of a gaggle of girls trying to shove another girl down the fem hierarchy.

Blogger collisioncat67 March 13, 2016 3:32 PM  

I realize that a Christian is not supposed to hate but every day my loathing of the GOP intensifies.
The way that they are treating their own front runner is despicable.
It's painfully obvious to even the most nieve that the GOP does NOT have the best interest of the country at heart.
The Repubs have revealed who they really are and whatever the outcome of the election, I hope and pray that people remember the hideous face behind the benevolent Republican mask.

Blogger Salt March 13, 2016 3:33 PM  

Rambam wrote:Powers that be are in panic mode. The question is: How far will they go?

Thay'll sQuEeze evey bit out they can.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 13, 2016 3:36 PM  

"For those readers here who are not yet behind Trump, what I would ask you is this: do you support the US establishment? If not, then why aren't you lined up with the man they obviously hate and fear more than anyone?"

It's clear what the game is now and how the players stack up. The neocons are so enraged that they are, at present, showing their asses. They see that their planned, eventual global stranglehold on the "the cattle" is in jeopardy because of Trump. So, a 180 for me. I fully support Trump now. He's our only chance.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 13, 2016 3:51 PM  

But after we all lived through the attack upon Return of Kings surrounding the meetups, where dozens of news outlets in different countries all carried the same false message, it is clear that media coordination does take place.

I was hoping somebody would connect these two dots. The similarity was eerie.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 3:54 PM  


A pro-Donald Trump super PAC has tapped Jesse Benton, a veteran Republican operative with ties to Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell, to serve as its chief strategist.


Trump is doomed

Blogger Doc Rampage March 13, 2016 3:58 PM  

I've got to admit, I've lost a lot of respect for Ted Cruz and other conservatives who have gone along with the media narrative on this. I understand that they want to defeat Trump--I do too--but they are advancing the cause of the main enemy to gain a minor advantage over a smaller enemy.

The leftists have a powerful narrative in place that has the conservatives as hostile, angry aggressors and leftists as peaceful victims who just want everyone to be happy. Every time a Republican opportunistically supports a particular instance of this narrative, he strengthens the overall narrative. And that overall narrative is a huge part of the support for the left.

Anonymous Clay March 13, 2016 3:58 PM  

Perhaps my vision is convoluted. Isn't every women having "plastic" surgery" on her face"?

I suppose it started with Greta Grips Sustern, after the OJ trial, and continued upon. Kim Foyle got her lips smacked. Rena had hers smacked. Lord knows the rest....you can continue.

Blogger Ceasar March 13, 2016 3:59 PM  

"2) Because the lesser of two evils is still evil"

Example.....One person is a murderer, the other cheats on his taxes. Since I am a true believer, like the "Anointed One" Cruz, I must punish and exile them both. They are both evil.

This type of moral equivalency is best known as being an insufferable shithead or a liberal. The compass either points North or South, they don't even know East and West exist.

This idea that if only we could get a true conservative as the nominee. Then they could "explain" to the masses why conservatism is the right way forward died during W. Bush term. The absolute heresy of their spending and not getting anything done that remotely qualifies as conservative let everyone know that they were hypocrites and full of shit. What now?

We need to survive. When people are hurting financially (no jobs, low paying jobs, no economic opportunity), they do not want to be lectured about the importance of conservative credentials (ie. my anointed holy ghost snake is bigger than yours). Start to solve their basic problems (economic) and then, maybe just maybe, you have earned enough trust that they will listen to your other ideas. Trump's three primary ideas to improve economy:

1) Build wall, stop illegal workers competing for jobs
2) Fair trade to keep companies from moving jobs overseas
3) Get Investment money back into USA to promote growth

Trump is not going to be the next Reagan (probably). But I can assure you Hillary will be the next Obama.

Blogger CarpeOro March 13, 2016 4:01 PM  

"You anti-Trumpkins can either get smart and start supporting the man now or be held responsible for the guy who comes next if Trump fails...

I hear this claim a lot, but is there a historical precedent?

For example, who did the Germans reject before Hitler?

Or, is it the case that Hitler was actually the moderate alternative, and Germany never got to choosing someone worse than Hitler?"

Read up a bit. Germany went a number of years after WWI before Hindenburg was elected. It was too late at that point. Hence Hitler.

Anonymous Alex March 13, 2016 4:02 PM  

https://www.rt.com/usa/335398-trump-defenders-group-protests/

Anonymous #NeverTrump March 13, 2016 4:06 PM  

Doc, glad you admit Trump is the enemy... so are his white trash followers.

President Cruz will deal with them justly.

Anonymous Faceless March 13, 2016 4:07 PM  

@55

Pat Buchanan covered this in great detail in "Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War"

Now, you may disagree with his premise that Churchill is the villain, and that Lady Asquith correctly judged his character when he "danced like the devil grinning about finally sticking the German pig" in buffaloing Asquith into WWI despite the Kaiser not wanting it, but he answers this:

There were pro-German politicians in the Weimar. They wanted to set up a pro-German trade policy with Austria. The French like Clemenceau would not have it - the trade policy of the Weimar must be decided by the global government, and that was to bleed Germany dry and to prevent them from making things and instead forcing them to buy from France and Belgium and England while, at the same time, demanding they make their reparation payments.

Buchanan recounts where the prime minister of Germany before Hitler begged the English and the French - please, give us a win, otherwise, we cannot hold onto the government. Request denied. Seeing the respectable right being incapable of doing one single thing, thus came the deluge.

Blogger Blackburn #0040 March 13, 2016 4:09 PM  

Trump is not going to be the next Reagan (probably). But I can assure you Hillary will be the next Obama.

Hillary is probably the next W more than the next O

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 4:15 PM  

Read up a bit. Germany went a number of years after WWI before Hindenburg was elected. It was too late at that point. Hence Hitler.

Well, I see where Wikipedia on Hindenberg claims:

In line with Lebensraum ideology, he advocated sweeping annexations of territory in Poland, Ukraine and Russia in order to re-settle Germans there.

So, it would seem that Hindenberg was not much of a moderate ... and differs greatly from Trump.

Of course, Wikipedia lies a lot ...

Blogger Jeff D March 13, 2016 4:25 PM  

"If not, then why aren't you lined up with the man they obviously hate and fear more than anyone?'

I suspect his whole campaign is one big snow job. (Bigger than most politicians even.) Plus, I don't actually agree with him about all that much.

Blogger Escoffier March 13, 2016 4:25 PM  

Josh wrote:Who did you support Josh? Rand Paul?

Yes


This explains a lot. With all due respect I never got the whole 'Paul' thang, whether Ron or Rand. Always felt a bit cultish to me and I found both men weak and pusillanimous (Sr. disavowing his newsletter, the one with his name on it? Jr. insisting that the real problem in Detroit is the D's?). I realize I'm chumming the shark tank but can someone explain this phenomenon to a simple cook?

Blogger Escoffier March 13, 2016 4:27 PM  

Karl Rove, GOP political supergenius wrote:These GOP voters are really fucking dumb. We need to do what the Democrats are doing, but call it something else. Limbaugh calls this "The Big Theory." We really need to pass No Child Left Behind but talk about abortion too.

Let me put it in my computer model here...

da da da

bebe bebebe beep beep beep beep beep

bzzz boopy boop bah

...

...


Yep, you caught the 'Tater!

Anonymous BGKB March 13, 2016 4:27 PM  

Those conservatives who push the meme of Trump=violence are women in mind and spirit,

They only self identify as women. Like this born a man, child sex offender leading the fight to allow males in women's bathrooms & showers http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article64943682.html

Almost as good as when an OH rapist lead an anti-gun group. http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/convicted-rapist-organizes-gun-control-demonstration-dayton-gun-show-media-fails-note-his

Blogger Escoffier March 13, 2016 4:28 PM  

collisioncat67 wrote:I realize that a Christian is not supposed to hate but every day my loathing of the GOP intensifies.

The way that they are treating their own front runner is despicable.

It's painfully obvious to even the most nieve that the GOP does NOT have the best interest of the country at heart.

The Repubs have revealed who they really are and whatever the outcome of the election, I hope and pray that people remember the hideous face behind the benevolent Republican mask.


As a Christian you're not supposed to hate individuals. Corrupt organizations however are fair game. Christ had a thing or two to say about the 'Teachers' and 'Lawgivers' of his day.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab March 13, 2016 4:30 PM  

If they succeed in this, in demonizing Trump, in fifty years Trump will be another Kingfish. Just a puffed up nothing demagogue is all history will remember.

They will minimize him and all his supporters. America will not recover this time. They will cover up the whole system being against him. Republicans who gave cover to the cucks and dems will cover their part and memory hole that the elites of both parties viciously attacked him and supporters.

Blogger Salt March 13, 2016 4:37 PM  

The edging towards violence has the flavor of being orchestrated.

Anonymous Icicle March 13, 2016 4:39 PM  

If they succeed in this, in demonizing Trump, in fifty years Trump will be another Kingfish. Just a puffed up nothing demagogue is all history will remember.

They will minimize him and all his supporters. America will not recover this time. They will cover up the whole system being against him. Republicans who gave cover to the cucks and dems will cover their part and memory hole that the elites of both parties viciously attacked him and supporters.


We have the internet this time. That's why companies like Youtube and Facebook are trying so hard with the Lady Macbeth "Come out, damned spot!" scrubbing.

Blogger haus frau March 13, 2016 4:40 PM  

Libertarians are always so eager to make the perfect the enemy of the good. The lesser of two evils is still evil but a choice still needs to be made. This attitude of a principled expectation of perfection is one reason why libertarians are no threat to the establishment. Progressives advance by many small imperfect policies. Libertarians demand the whole deal at once because anything less is compromising their principles.
There is a fine line between exercising strong principles and virtue signaling for libertarian street cred. One has practical value and the other does not. If someone really believes in spite of the establishment opposition that Trump is no different than any other option then they should sit it out. I wrote in Ron Paul last time around. I'm voting Trump this time around because if the people in the know really believed he was the same as Obama or Romney they would be happy to advance him. I certainly don't believe they oppose him because they care about the interests of American citizens.

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 4:49 PM  

@47 - love the sinner, hate the sin. A big RINO demon pretending to be an elephant is something it is OK to hate. Have you not read Lewis' Perelandra when Ransom fights the un-man saying he now understands why hate exists and what it is for?

Blogger praetorian March 13, 2016 4:52 PM  

Trump is doomed

The God-Emperor is so based, even Jesse Benton can't fuck The Trump Train up.

Blogger YIH March 13, 2016 4:52 PM  

Via Kevin MacDonald:
Chicago Protesters Reinforce the Implicit Whiteness of Donald Trump’s Candidacy: Trump voters fear becoming a minority
Recently there have been numerous articles and video comparing Trump to Hitler or the KKK (see here for a recent list compiled by Howard Kurtz of Faux News). Another example: (((Sarah Silverman))) appeared on the Conan O’Brien show dressed as Hitler and saying “I agree with a lot of what he says. A lot. Like 90 per cent of what he says, I’m like “this guy just gets it”‘ And here’s a skit from Saturday Night Live that couldn’t be less subtle.

What the poll is saying is that all of the propaganda coming from the elite media and academic world will be completely useless in converting Trump voters. They’re not listening any more.

On the other hand, anti-Trump media messages doubtless encourage the violent protesters who are becoming such an important part of the Trump campaign. Quite a few of the anti-Trump protesters in Chicago had tee-shirts with images of Hitler and Trump, and I noticed professionally printed signs with images of Hitler’s book Mein Kampf and references to Trump. These protesters are definitely paying attention to (((the media))).

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 4:56 PM  

One can argue that the lesser of two evils is still evil, yet there is still a threshold. If the choice is between a mortal and venial sin, the latter ought to be chosen.

Do not assume Divine Providence - who has twice sent us Ron Paul, whom we have rejected like Israel did the righteous and honorable prophets, would not send us an ugly messenger. A scandalon. A stone to be rejected based on the surface.

One does not worry if the metal the Sword has been forged from has been blessed, or the water used to quench it during the forging holy. One only worries it is sharp and is being wielded by the hand of God.

Anonymous Mark Goldberg Horowitz Cohen March 13, 2016 4:56 PM  

Sarah Silverman and Jon Stewart are two of the finest comedians we have working today.

Anonymous Frank Brady March 13, 2016 5:00 PM  

You are self-evidently neither sane OR principled.

Blogger M.S. March 13, 2016 5:00 PM  

The ultimate retort is to simply point out that Trump supporters are no more "asking for violence" than women in miniskirts are asking to be raped.

Blogger Sheila4g March 13, 2016 5:08 PM  

Vox, while Rubio is obviously a GOPe shill and is going nowhere, did you note his comments when denouncing Trump's purportedly inciting violence? Steve Sailer has a post on it:

"This is what a culture and a society looks like when everybody says whatever the heck they want, when everyone just goes around saying ‘I’m just going to speak my mind,’” Rubio said at a morning press conference in Largo, Fla. “Well, there are other people that are angry, too. And if they speak out and say whatever they want, it all breaks down. It’s called chaos. It’s called anarchy. And that’s what we’re careening towards.”

Free speech = chaos and anarchy. It's always 1984.

Anonymous p-dawg March 13, 2016 5:10 PM  

@digra: Fire isn't evil. Tell me, is the fruit of a poisoned tree sweet?

Blogger praetorian March 13, 2016 5:12 PM  

Shhh, shhhhhh. No tears, only The Wall and keks now.

If we don't get The Wall: whatever, we weren't gonna get it anyway. We will at least get the keks. And hey, look at that, we might get a hot civil war, the complete breakdown of the GOP and Literally Hitler thrown in for fun as well.

How can you guys not be on this Train yet?

Anonymous Frank Brady March 13, 2016 5:14 PM  

There will NEVER be a President Cruz. Take your meds and quiet down.

Anonymous Glenn Beck March 13, 2016 5:18 PM  

There will NEVER be a President Cruz. Take your meds and quiet down.

He just won nine of the 12 delegates in Wyoming. Nine. The Divine Providence is at hand.

OpenID basementhomebrewer March 13, 2016 5:25 PM  

I would agree that this thing is an in-artful coordination. The second that Trump was rushed in Dayton the morning after cancelling the Chicago event I knew this was planned strategy. There were no incidents like this (or even hinting at something like this) for ~8 months and then all of the sudden they start happening multiple days in a row?

The media all echoing the same talking points is nothing new but it usually takes them a day or two after a story to all get their messages on point. This time it was near immediate.

Anonymous Icicle March 13, 2016 5:29 PM  

How can you guys not be on this Train yet?

Trump reminds me of glasnost in the Soviet system. Weeeeee! Here it comes!

Anonymous JI March 13, 2016 5:33 PM  

"For those readers here who are not yet behind Trump, what I would ask you is this: do you support the US establishment? If not, then why aren't you lined up with the man they obviously hate and fear more than anyone?"

I'd decided years ago to vote for whomever the major news outlets all dislike, and I think it's a good policy. Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul and now Donald Trump fall into this category.

Blogger Josh March 13, 2016 5:55 PM  

Who did you support Josh? Rand Paul?

Yes

Blogger lowercaseb March 13, 2016 5:58 PM  

@75 I love your username but you forgot your hyphens.

I agree with you. They both had to work hard against the oppression of being a jew in show business. Somehow, the persevered and broke that glass ceiling.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 6:16 PM  

The function of people like Ron Paul and Rand Paul is to split off from the 'conservative voting base' those who want purity in their leaders.

Blogger White Devil March 13, 2016 6:17 PM  

re: lowercaseb
What do you mean, Jewish? Is that some kind of slur?

Blogger Stilicho March 13, 2016 6:27 PM  

Nothing good ever came of a secret, invitation-only meeting on an island off the coast of Georgia. Nothing. There is only one proper response for any decent, patriotic American: kill it with fire.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 6:28 PM  

Poor Matthew Yglesias probably needs to emigrate to Mexico or Canada or somewhere:

Trump terrifies him

Poor little boy.

Blogger CM March 13, 2016 6:34 PM  

@39 The Other Robot

Wikipedia has this -
Although 84 years old and in poor health, Hindenburg was persuaded to run for re-election as German President in 1932, as he was considered the only candidate who could defeat Adolf Hitler. Hindenburg was re-elected in a runoff. He was opposed to Hitler, but he played an important role in the Nazi Party's rise to power, due to the increasing political instability in the Weimar Republic. He dissolved the parliament twice in 1932 and finally appointed Hitler Chancellor of Germany under pressure in January 1933. In February, he issued the Reichstag Fire Decree, which suspended various civil liberties, and in March he signed the Enabling Act of 1933, which gave Hitler's administration legislative powers. Hindenburg died the following year, after which Hitler declared the office of President vacant and made himself head of state.

I am not good at drawing parallels between current and historical figures (more events and big pictures than details), but if I had to guess, I'd say Hindenberg would have been a Romney if Romney had won. I don't think Germany HAD a Trump alternative to Hitler.

What is clear is that Germany was having political turmoil leading up to 1935, turmoil that was exacerbated and increased by a more palatable alternative to Hitler, whose incompetence (likely due to his age at the time) made things so much worse that Hitler launched himself off with it.

So yes, historical evidence that if you don't solve the problems now, they'll be so much worse that what you hate actually becomes a "viable" option. Since we are here now, I suppose Trump COULD be a Hitler to others, but deporting illegal immigrants and stopping legal immigration for a time is not the same thing as making political prisoners of citizens of a certain persuasion and killing them in gas chambers.

Anonymous Nxx March 13, 2016 6:36 PM  

The media script assumed that the Chicago violence would have been far greater as well as two-sided. When Trump cancelled he ruined the plan; there was insufficient violence and none directed at protesters. The media went ahead with the script anyway which caused cognitive dissonance between narrative and reality.

Trump dodged a bullet. I've heard reports that the plan was for one hundred protesters to violently rush the stage. Given the heavy Secret Service presence it is likely some protesters would have been killed. That was the objective: Give the media some dead anti-Trump protesters to spazz out over.

I realize I'm chumming the shark tank but can someone explain this phenomenon to a simple cook?

Libertarians are right wing marxists who believe that people are economic units and that a given system or incentive structure will always yield the same result irrespective of the human material it operates with.

The libertarian's model state is Somalia with its low to non existent taxes and regulations as well as its freedom to bear arms and do drugs.

The libertarian's nightmare state is Denmark with its high taxes and regulations and its large welfare state.

Curiously, 100% of libertarians would rather live in Denmark than in Somalia. Nobody knows why. Several researchers have investigated but, alas, they all accidentally suffered career termination for racism before they could complete their inquiry.

Blogger Elocutioner March 13, 2016 6:47 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:The media all echoing the same talking points is nothing new but it usually takes them a day or two after a story to all get their messages on point. This time it was near immediate.

Couple that with the Joel Pollock comment from the post this morning (https://archive.is/3Lk3I) - "In war, we wait for orders that are based on a careful plan. So wait." It's not unreasonable to connect a few dots.

On a related note to media collusion, it would appear that The Littlest Chickenhawk found himself a sugar daddy which could explain his sudden onset of Trump Derangement Syndrome. (Much like Mercer buying himself Breitbart.)

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/11/more-manipulative-media-exposed-website-ownership-driving-ideological-content/

Also, Kasich, who just picked up Boehner's endorsement, went full potato saying he'd sign amnesty in the first 100 days and Trump has been running ads pointing out how he voted for the Assault Weapons Ban and is signed Common Core. Probably a safe bet that FL and OH go Trump.

Anonymous Jay Will March 13, 2016 6:58 PM  

Anti-Trumpism is globalism. There really is an elite, they own the media, they own the politicians. Trump isn't one of them and this is glaringly obvious. Think of this, if Trump gets in that is potentially 70 years of work down the drain for these people. A global communistic humanity ruled over by politically unaccountable trillionaires, every "identity group" represented with a black, white, Muslim, Christian shill - like Rubio, or Obama, or Clinton, even whitey will have his own guy by that time (course probably a few hundred million dead in "nation building" exercises to get there).

He was inspirational this week on the live feeds. The way he is playing these people is genius, a true alpha at play. His snap instincts are so good. He will rip Clinton's character to shreds in a heads up meeting. She is utterly useless as a public speaker. And her woman card is no good, Megyn Kelly is much tougher and he wrecked her. Go Trump!! If he gets in we can wipe the floor with the stupid EU scum, they are all useless and just suck up to US power.

I have no idea why people can't see through them easily. Quite thick people all know that politicans are liars, you don't need to fact check, just look at their faces when they talk. They are lying. And lying your whole life, living a lie, messes with your head. They can't engage with people on any normal level. A million fake handshakes. These people are evil.

Anonymous Millenium March 13, 2016 7:04 PM  

If anyone wants to be a shitlord and do something then sign this petition to declare moveon a terrorist group.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/classify-moveonorg-terrorist-group-due-their-violations-1st-amendment

10,000 signatures and Obama has to publicly say something about Soros's personal army

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 7:07 PM  

Also, Kasich, who just picked up Boehner's endorsement, went full potato saying he'd sign amnesty in the first 100 days

I wonder if he has commissioned any focus groups to see if that will go down well with the electorate? Somehow I think he hasn't and hopes that lots of illegals will vote for him.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 13, 2016 7:09 PM  

TRUMP KEK.

Blogger Escoffier March 13, 2016 7:10 PM  

tz wrote:
Do not assume Divine Providence - who has twice sent us Ron Paul, whom we have rejected like Israel did the righteous and honorable prophets, would not send us an ugly messenger.


Please tell me this is trolling, please?

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 7:14 PM  

@99 No. Unfortunately. Sometimes the message and the messenger are both ugly. On all levels.

For example, there is a use to the rapefugees entering Europe - they can be UN peacekeepers, hopefully somewhere far, far away

Anonymous Alice De Goon March 13, 2016 7:16 PM  

Quoting Counter-Genocide Commissar:

The Wyoming vote today was not the real Wyoming primary. It was a small, closed set of party insiders (they call it "county conventions.") The actual primary that involves voters will take place later this year.

Today's "primary" is just a party insiders' tactic - comparable to Hillary's superdelegates. It's misreported simply because it creates an anti-Trump narrative. As usual.

Source: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/WY-D#0409

Anonymous Alice De Goon March 13, 2016 7:19 PM  

Dang, I was trying to Quote Glenn Beck but my Comment Fu failed me. Here's the quote I was responding to:

There will NEVER be a President Cruz. Take your meds and quiet down.

He just won nine of the 12 delegates in Wyoming. Nine. The Divine Providence is at hand.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 7:20 PM  

Here is where Vox and I part company:

If you would have asked me one year ago, I would have said that this was a crazy idea.

In the English I grew up using, the past perfect is used in the first clause. That is:

If you had asked me one year ago, I would have said ...

Other than that, I cannot think of any substantive differences.

Anonymous Ted March 13, 2016 7:24 PM  

He just won nine of the 12 delegates in Wyoming. Nine.

Yeah beotches! Nine delegates. In Wyoming. What're you gonna do about it? I won nine delegates in Guam too. It's not even a f*cking state. Hahaha

Anonymous Alice De Goon March 13, 2016 7:27 PM  

I've noticed some of my posts aren't posting. Is it because I've been responding to troll posts?

Anonymous Alice De Goon March 13, 2016 7:29 PM  

Oh wait a minute. My posts showed up again. Somethings amiss with my browser or blogspot had a hiccup. Sorry to bother everybody.

Blogger Cinco March 13, 2016 7:31 PM  

Kasich is a fool. He could have wheeled and sealed for a VP slot on the Trump Train. All he had to do was bail out before Ohio and say vote Trump. Could still happen tomorrow, but I doubt it.

Anonymous Ted March 13, 2016 7:35 PM  

Doesn't matter Alice, just be sure to vote for me. Wr all need to come together to keep Hitler out of power.

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 7:43 PM  

The delegate process in Wyoming is arcane and byzantine and complex and something starting with the letter D if I could think of it after a few beers.

Teddy got some delegates (alternates may differ). My county includes ex senator Alan Simpson, whom I disagree with but respect. I was at our county convention, but decided I did not want to try for a state delegate or alternate.

Cruz might get delegates, but he won't win.

For those who are unfamiliar, you had to be there 2 or more weeks ago (it varies) to vote for delegates to the county convention yesterday (3/12) who can vote for a delegate or alternate, pledged or unpledged in Cleveland, as well as send many to Casper for the state convention where 12 more will be assigned.

There are many moves for a (sane) primary to replace it in four years, and our county seems to desire it to happen.

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 7:45 PM  

I should mention I was an alternate so I couldn't even speak up, though it wasn't quite the train wreck. And our county was designated to elect an alternate instead of a delegate this year.

And they had a good cold-cut sub for lunch.

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 7:46 PM  

Politics make strange Ted-fellows. But better that than Goldman's Geisha as a bedfellow.

OpenID 0cb7333c-e974-11e5-a6f2-b36c52ab7e43 March 13, 2016 7:49 PM  

They fear him because they believe, not without reason, that Trump will do irreparable damage to the GOP brand, and his nomination may well cost them control of the Senate, at least.

I fear him because he has given no evidence he has the intelligence, temperament, or experience to be President. No one has ever been President who hadn't previously held elective office. commanded an army, or held Cabinet rank (Hoover).

Lack of experience has often been cited as the reason for Presidential failure; who can possibly believe someone with no political experience at all would do better?

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 8:05 PM  

Someone was trying to ship two Hellfire missiles from Lebanon to Oregon.

I guess they sound similar.

Were they expecting to ship them across country to some Trump rally?

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 13, 2016 8:06 PM  

Why would you think this is trolling? Ron Paul was not a prophet, he will be the first to admit, but like (a similie, a comparison) the prophets rejected by the House Of Israel truth itched ears, with plenty of false-prophets willing to scratch and gain favor with the king.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 8:07 PM  

@111: None of those have worked, so time to try something completely different.

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 8:12 PM  

@103: Somehow I failed to notice that it was in the quoted part ... so maybe it was not Vox using that grammar.

Blogger Keith Glass March 13, 2016 8:15 PM  

Except. . . .all the actual violence seems to be coming from the other side. To wit: the home of this 80-year-old Trump supporter. . .


http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/103448821-story

Blogger The Other Robot March 13, 2016 8:21 PM  

@94: I think Kasich just wants to get off the merry-go-round.

Anonymous johnc March 13, 2016 8:25 PM  

With all the other Stop Trump efforts failing miserably, it's time for them to push the assassination angle. It won't be some CIA hit-job, of course. Instead they turn up the rhetoric to get the low-informed people all spun up -- like this guy that tried to take out Trump yesterday. Some nutcase will do the dirty work for them.

I tell ya... people in the media are some of the worst people around. Something needs to be done about it.

Don't forget also that Hillary is under a tremendous amount of pressure. She's not just running to win an election, this is the run for her life. So expect her to start Vince Fostering people left and right when the time comes, and that includes Trump.

Blogger JACIII March 13, 2016 8:30 PM  

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Blogger JACIII March 13, 2016 8:31 PM  

tz, It is good to see you back in action and at the top of your game. Makes me miss ResIspa.

Blogger tz March 13, 2016 8:50 PM  

@117 the paper mache' horse candidate?
competing with one stallion and two geldings?
@120 - Thanks. ResIs posting occasionally, though I'm not sure where from - WY is a large state and not flat.

Anonymous Joe Blowe March 13, 2016 8:52 PM  

Curiously, 100% of libertarians would rather live in Denmark than in Somalia. Nobody knows why.

Somalia is full of low IQ Stone Age throw backs with AK-47's. Denmark if full of good looking, high IQ Nordics. Any socialist or laissez faire society would fair well if its is peopled with Danes. Somalians wreck any society they inhabit in numbers as the residents of St. Paul would attest.

Anti-Trumpism is globalism.

That's why it doesn't matter how good, bad, or ugly Trump is. Trump is just a figurehead, a vessel in this deadly fight against Globalism. And it must be fought. Globalism is the death of Western Civilization and Western Man. If a man understands this and still opposes Trump that man is our mortal enemy.

We have the internet this time.

If the Internet existed back in the 1930's there would have been no war, The Kingfish would have won the Presidency in 1936, FDR would be as reviled as crooked one term Socialist failure, and Hitler would be regarded as Germany's Rudy Giuliani. As it was the official history was written by the victors and endlessly repeated by the Corporate Media and Academia. Those that spoke of alternative histories were denounced and treated like heretics.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey, Director of the CIA

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 13, 2016 9:40 PM  

CM said:
"...making political prisoners of citizens of a certain persuasion and killing them in gas chambers."

You mean "...making political prisoners of citizens of a certain persuasion and employing them in work camps," right?

Blogger Student in Blue March 13, 2016 9:52 PM  

Meanwhile, local media manages to completely miss the point - "Vote Rubio!".

I'd write to the editor but you're limited to 250 words, not nearly enough to point out everything wrong. Then again, I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about honesty.

Blogger Desiderius March 13, 2016 10:06 PM  

"I wonder if he has commissioned any focus groups to see if that will go down well with the electorate? Somehow I think he hasn't and hopes that lots of illegals will vote for him."

No, it's a come-on for donor money to keep him alive until the convention.

Blogger Young Heaving Shipping Containers of Liberty March 13, 2016 10:18 PM  

Alice De Goon wrote:Oh wait a minute. My posts showed up again. Somethings amiss with my browser or blogspot had a hiccup. Sorry to bother everybody.

Your posts get autospammed a lot. I release them whenever I bother to check the spam folder.

Blogger Desiderius March 13, 2016 10:18 PM  

"I have ultra-conservative friends who despise Trump and will not support him, because he's not an ideal candidate. They want someone gallant and principled, like George Washington. I want that, too. The problem is, we are not living in a George Washington time, we are living in a decadent and decayed time. We had our Washington candidate -- Ron Paul -- and he was rejected."

Seriously? I'm as big a Washington find as you'll find (his Farewell Address is my favorite founding document) but c'mon - he was one of the richest men in the colonies and perhaps the largest landholder. He was yuuugely to gain from the Revolution, a cause he only joined once his own ambitions were thwarted within the Empire of the day.

His esteem among his countrymen at the time before the outcome of the Revolution was settled is not dissimilar to that Trump enjoys today, complete with all the Tories of the time being utterly horrified by the man.

Blogger David of One March 13, 2016 10:19 PM  

Ever since I heard about the "meeting" at Sea Island nothing about it seemed right.

I wasn't till early last week when I saw articles specifying the attendees that this all began to percolate until yesterday it occurred to me that what has been going on is "organized crime" ... racketeering.

Any organization that actively acts against it's bylaws, rules and membership likely has a number of what would appear to have a number of "legal issues".

Add to this the fact that Democratic/DNC members, operatives and financial supporters in attendance of the same meeting and it readily appears that criminal activity was occurring at Sea Island.

In violation to existing federal law and oaths of office ... no action will be taken by the AG, DOJ or FBI. But it does seem a number of State AGs can take action.

Blogger David of One March 13, 2016 10:23 PM  

I wasn't till early ... = It wasn't till early

Blogger Desiderius March 13, 2016 10:24 PM  

Escoffier,

"I realize I'm chumming the shark tank but can someone explain this phenomenon to a simple cook?"

They're nationalists. Their nation has a lot of black people in it and a majority of whites committed to the strategy of trying to turn those blacks into nice white people. Contesting that strategy is not a hill they're willing to die on.

Anonymous FP March 13, 2016 10:32 PM  

" If not, then why aren't you lined up with the man they obviously hate and fear more than anyone?"

It has been interesting to see that there are many in the gun rights community that despite talking tough the past few years are all screeching about how much of a fascist etc. Trump is. Just look at the Sipsey Street blog... all Trump supporters are the duped or neo-nazis according to him. These are NRA neo-con cucks either.

Blogger Lazarus March 13, 2016 10:41 PM  

@112

Lack of experience has often been cited as the reason for Presidential failure; who can possibly believe someone with no political experience at all would do better?

Failure to do what, carry out the program of their handlers? Have you been asleep for the past 100 years, Rumplestiltskin? How is all that experience working out for ya?

Anonymous Holmwood March 13, 2016 10:50 PM  

The Other Robot wrote:Well, I see where Wikipedia on Hindenberg claims:

In line with Lebensraum ideology, he advocated sweeping annexations of territory in Poland, Ukraine and Russia in order to re-settle Germans there.

So, it would seem that Hindenberg was not much of a moderate ... and differs greatly from Trump.

Of course, Wikipedia lies a lot ...

First, that section is plagiarized almost whole cloth from Showalter and Astore's book, Hindenburg. Wikipedia doesn't even have the grace to mention it as a source, and quotes it wholesale with no attribution.

Second, the SJW editor decided to cleverly insert the phrase "Lebensraum ideology" as opposed to the simple reference to lebensraum as a concept.

The difference? In 1916, the time Astore and Showalter were referring to, Germany arguably had the upper hand. Tsarist Russia had collapsed. Territorial surrenders as the successful conclusion of a war were common -- and indeed would rebound to Germany's detriment in 1919 and 1945.

The idea in 1916 of annexing territory was very, very, very different from the idea of doing so ('Lebensraum ideology') in 1933-1939.

What do SJW's always do?

None of this is to suggest Hindenburg did a good job, but to sneakily connect him with Hitlerian ideology and actions in this fashion is beneath contempt.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2016 10:58 PM  

Vox... I know you don't keep up with American Politics all that much.

But I would simply ask that you google up on the Council for Foreign Relations. it literally fights for everything you are against.... and everything you think Trump is against.

And yet... Trump counts Haas... the current head of the Council... as an advisor and he listed Haas as a guy who he listens to on foreign policy.

Haas is a straight up globalist. He was a big time advisor of Colin Powell.

These are the people you are fighting against. These are the people you want to convince people Trump is fighting against. and he is literally telling you to your face that he not only isn't fighting them. He supports them and listens to them.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:08 PM  

Someone dropped this link on Breitbart from 1991

Donald Trump - Thug - bat

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:10 PM  

@10 Ben Cohen
The Cain Train has endorsed the Trump Train!
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Hey Hey!

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:18 PM  

@17 RobertT
WSJ has been repeatedly been off on polls, and the weekend turmoil may not be represented. Of course there's always MO.
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It's been a while since I did this:

WSJ
SJW
JWS

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:21 PM  

@23 Cinco
While Josh is correct that the lesser of two evils is still evil, this is more cheering for David while he battles Goliath.
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Or in shorthand, can't see the forest for the tree. But it's ok, we don't want an echo chamber in here !

Blogger Lazarus March 13, 2016 11:25 PM  

@135 Nate

And yet... Trump counts Haas... the current head of the Council... as an advisor and he listed Haas as a guy who he listens to on foreign policy.

It is a little more complex than that, Nate:

Haass is a centrist foreign policy thinker and president of the Council on Foreign Relations, a think tank seen as a fixture of the U.S. foreign policy establishment. The State Department's policy planning director at the time of the Iraq invasion, he wrote later that he was largely against the war.

"I did not believe in the Iraq war,” Haass said in a 2009 interview with National Public Radio.

Trump has proposed barring Muslims from entering the United States, demanded that Mexico fund a wall to control illegal immigration across the U.S. border, and praised Russian President Vladimir Putin.

He has called for building up the U.S. military while also saying he wants allies to pick up more of the burden in conflicts such as Syria and Iraq. He has vowed to destroy Islamic State.

A spokeswoman for Haass, Iva Zoric, said that he briefed Trump on foreign policy in August 2015. In a tweet late on Thursday, Haass wrote: "I do not endorse candidates. What I have done is offered to brief all candidates, & have briefed several, D(emocrat) & R(epublican) alike."

Jacobs, now a frequent television commentator, won the Medal of Honor, the highest U.S. military decoration, in the Vietnam War. He has expressed skepticism regarding large scale American military interventions in the Middle East and has suggested that waterboarding, an interrogation technique that many call torture and that Trump has endorsed, is ineffective.

Trump softened his stance on torture on Friday, saying he would not order the U.S. military to break international laws on how to treat terrorism suspects.

Jacobs has been critical of political leaders who send American troops on missions without what he considers a well-defined strategy. Jacobs, writing in 2007, criticized the post-invasion plan for Iraq, including the "foolish decision" to disband the Iraqi army.

Pressed on Thursday night to identify his foreign policy advisers, Trump said that Haas and Keane were "excellent" and that he liked Jacobs "very much." Jacobs declined to comment on whether he was helping Trump.

"I have many people that I think are really excellent but in the end it's going to be my decision" on national security matters," Trump said.



Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:27 PM  

@39 The Other Robot
Or, is it the case that Hitler was actually the moderate alternative, and Germany never got to choosing someone worse than Hitler?
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That's interesting. I wonder if anyone has written a story about the usual go back in time to stop Hitler, succeeded, and then someone far worse came in the aftermath?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:31 PM  

@41 Lazarus
Interesting. Former Rand Paul strategist has no problem working for Trump.
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The thing bugs me is the ties to B1tch McCuckle. But it says a PAC. I heard or read Trump doesn't like PACs and has shut them down if they were trying to work on his behalf. So this whole thing is suspicious.

Blogger SirHamster March 13, 2016 11:35 PM  

@ Young Heaving Shipping Containers of Liberty

Interesting new nic. Are you drawing an equivalency to your previous ones, or is there a really bizarre news event that I need to read up on?

Blogger Lazarus March 13, 2016 11:40 PM  

@142
I heard or read Trump doesn't like PACs and has shut them down if they were trying to work on his behalf. So this whole thing is suspicious.

Its true. Trump's Lawyers told them they could not use Trump in their name, so they called it GreatAmeicaPAC. Still in support, however.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:43 PM  

@68 Salt

The edging towards violence has the flavor of being orchestrated.
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When I first saw that the other day, I wondered if that pepper spray would be good on a steak

Blogger Lazarus March 13, 2016 11:45 PM  

@141

Hitler's predecessor:

Kurt von Schleicher was a shadowy figure; a right-wing militarist who saw himself as the "savior" of Germany. He gained political power through close association with the ageing President Paul von Hindenburg. Like some other politicians in the early 1930s, Schleicher thought he could co-opt or control the Nazis by striking a political deal. Like others, he was wrong: he and his wife were murdered by the Nazis in 1934.

Blogger Lazarus March 13, 2016 11:48 PM  

@39

Rohm was full retard Nazi. Did not want to work with elites, and wanted to replace the military with his SA.

Also, a gay person.

Night of the Long Knives, no more problem

Blogger Lazarus March 13, 2016 11:49 PM  

History is your friend. Embrace it. Care for it. Cherish it.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:50 PM  

@78 Sheila4g
Free speech = chaos and anarchy. It's always 1984.
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It's an old Jebster talking point.
Trump the Chaos Candidate

Blogger Were-Puppy March 13, 2016 11:53 PM  

@83 basementhomebrewer

The media all echoing the same talking points is nothing new but it usually takes them a day or two after a story to all get their messages on point. This time it was near immediate.
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I thought Stargate SG1 and Atlantis were fiction, but the press appears to have a Wraith Hive Mind operating at high efficiency.

Blogger 1337kestrel March 14, 2016 12:00 AM  

do you support the US establishment?

No.

If not, then why aren't you lined up with the man they obviously hate and fear more than anyone?

The establishment hates Ebola, doesn't mean I'm going to support it.

Blogger Nate March 14, 2016 12:00 AM  

""I did not believe in the Iraq war,” Haass said in a 2009 interview with National Public Radio."

holy shit... this guy was Colin Powell's top advisor... and you beleive him when he says he was against the Iraqi War?

i know you want a nationalist. And I know you want to believe trump is a nationalist.

But he is not. And he is straight up telling you he is not.

Anonymous rubberducky March 14, 2016 12:04 AM  

The Sea Island conspiracy angle is attractive. Here's an alternate theory for the events surrounding Trump Chicago confrontation. Looking at the turnout numbers on the Democrat side, we see huge problems over there. Turnout is down 30% since 2008. The problem is they don't have Obama, who inspired all the minorities to get out and vote, simply based on his identity. His policies weren't a big factor, frankly. They voted for the man, the statement, the history, etc.

Nobody aside from SWPL hipsters are going to walk a mile for Hillary or Bernie, and they haven't been. The solution is to stoke and inflame the base with hatreds and race politics. The pieces have already been put, purposefully, in place. They've built BLM up precisely for this purpose. It's a GOTV machine, that's all it is. Watch, if a Democrat wins in November, BLM will quietly fall away just like the Occupooers did when they had served their purpose.

But the point is this: it doesn't matter who the GOP frontrunner is. Trump is not the issue. None of the GOP candidates are the issue, nothing on the GOP side is the issue. The issue is on the Democrat side entirely. The point is to work up the *Democrat* base, here. That's the one goal.

So this isn't going away. Remove Trump from the board, you do not remove the problem, they will target the next foil. And the media will be on that foil just like they were all over Trump on the Sunday shows today, bogging him down on explaining why when the left attacks him then it's his own fault, demanding mea culpas and apologies, and self-neutering statements, just like SJWs always do.

Blogger Nate March 14, 2016 12:04 AM  

i mean at this point Trump could name Chuck Schumer as his VP... and you people would still call it brilliant.

Blogger Student in Blue March 14, 2016 12:15 AM  

Okay Nate, Trump is horrible evil terrible and so is every other candidate.

Are you trying to go somewhere with this? You keep insisting everyone here believes Trump is perfect and without fault which is absolutely untrue. You keep saying he's no different than anyone else.

So why not vote for him, on the remote chance that he's actually telling the truth? Rubio and Kasich are guaranteed to do the same, and Cruz is more than happy to accept Jeb Bush's donators...

Or are you still clinging to the belief that Cruz is really, truly fighting for you, the Constitution, and against the establishment?

Anonymous Millenium March 14, 2016 12:28 AM  

The day after Trump's wall is built, all illegals are deported, muslims banned, American troops bought home, the tpp repealed and the fed audited Nate will still be whining about Trump being a secret undercover globalist running for Hillary and who will be out by October.

Blogger James Dixon March 14, 2016 12:28 AM  

> In the English I grew up using, the past perfect is used in the first clause. That is:

You're ignoring the subjective.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 14, 2016 12:29 AM  

@154 Nate

i mean at this point Trump could name Chuck Schumer as his VP... and you people would still call it brilliant.
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Ok, you're right. We'll all vote for Hillary now.

Blogger Josh March 14, 2016 12:46 AM  

The day after Trump's wall is built, all illegals are deported, muslims banned, American troops bought home, the tpp repealed and the fed audited

#banmillenials

Anonymous The other robot March 14, 2016 1:05 AM  

You're ignoring the subjective.

Do you mean the subjunctive? If so, were is used for that, not would have. Moreover, it is only used for counterfactuals these days. As in: If wishes were horses ...

However, if you are referring to something I am unaware of I am happy to be educated.

Blogger Scott6584 March 14, 2016 1:09 AM  

Grouping Cruz in with Rubio and Kasich as Establisment tools is laughable. The only similarity Cruz shares with them is that he is running against The Donald.

The Donald employees Establishment insider Republicans, and has advisors from the Council on Foreign Relations. He's been endorsed by several Establishment Republicans including that tool Chris Christie. He has a daughter who is married to a Jew, and has converted to Judaism. He has acted as Grand Master in parade to support Israel.

Conclusion: He is just doing what needs to be done to win. And he won't let the Jews control him.

Cruz calls the Senate Majority Leader a liar from the Senate floor, makes an hour long speech from the floor exposing the corruption of the Republican Party Leadership, and exposes the deal Boehner made with Obama to pillage the Treasury yet again. Bob Dole comes out and says that a lot of people would rather Trump win than Cruz because they can make a deal with Trump, but Cruz won't deal with them. But Cruz does support moving the US Embassy to the current capital of Israel, Jerusalem, instead of placating Muslims by keeping it in the old capital of Tel Aviv.

Conclusion: Cruz is just an Establishment tool, and running for President of Israel.

Trump goes on a national debate and changes his position on immigration. Afterward, he realizes that he may have alienated some supporters, and issues a statement trying to parse the difference between H1-B and H2-B visas (something a lawyer would do). Most anti-immigration voters don't know or care about the difference.

Conclusion: Trump made a mistake, but he corrected himself.

Cruz sponsors an amendment to the Gang of Eight bill which, if adopted, would have resulted in all the Democrats refusing to support it, which would have killed the bill. He votes against it in the Senate, and when it passes the Senate anyway, Cruz organizes a revolt against the bill in the House of Representatives which results in the bill's failure.

Conclusion: Cruz is a fake opponent of Amnesty, and secretly supports it.

According to Trump's financial disclosure statement, he is CURRENTLY $270 million in debt to several NYC banks including Goldman Sachs.

Conclusion: Trump is completely independent of the banks, and his debt is just a cost of doing business.

Cruz takes out a one-time loan of $1 million, backed by his personal assets, to run for the Senate. That debt is completely repaid. In this election cycle, Goldman Sachs employees donate $483K to Bush, $80K to Rubio, and $170K to Clinton. But out of the $55 million Cruz has raised to run his campaign, he has received $48K (00.09% of total contributions) from employees of Goldman Sachs.

Conclusion: Cruz is a shill for Goldman Sachs.

*********

You guys have finally convinced me. Cruz is an super-secret Establishment plant, who wants to flood the nation with immigrants, and is in the pocket of Big Banks, especially those evil Jooos.

I'm voting for Trump because that $270 million he owes to big NYC banks is NOTHING compared to accepting a few thousand dollars from some employees of the banks. I'm voting Trump because endorsements from Christie and Bob Dole don't mean anything, but having Glenn Beck support you means your part of the Establishment. I'm voting Trump because having a daughter convert to Judaism, and having little Jewish grandchildren, and being the Grand Marshall in a parade supporting Israel means nothing. But supporting moving the US embassy to the actual capital of Israel makes Cruz a Jew lover. He should refuse, just like the US refused to move its Embassy from Bonn, Germany to Berlin. Uh, oops.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 14, 2016 1:42 AM  

@161 Scott6584

The Donald employees Establishment insider Republicans, and has advisors from the Council on Foreign Relations.
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This statement alone is so damn stupid, I'm not even reading the rest of it.

Tundra Ted is boning a CFR author of the North American Union. Bushies now in Tundra Teddies campaign, opening offices all across Florida. And Mr. S&L Himself Bush is now on his finance team.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 14, 2016 1:45 AM  


Search for Heidi Cruz on this CFR page

Anonymous PVB March 14, 2016 1:54 AM  

Ben Shapiro quit Breitbart. Michelle Malkin slams Drudge. We have a meltdown going on.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 14, 2016 2:00 AM  

We've seen the type protesters at a Trump rally, but have you guys seen the type protesters that appear at a RUBIO rally ? :p

https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/709104935363854336

Blogger SciVo March 14, 2016 2:49 AM  

rubberducky @153:

Those explanations are compatible. Democrat apathy for why, Republican crisis for when. After all, much of the donor class is on both sides.

Anonymous Discard March 14, 2016 2:57 AM  

112. ocb7rb6u7,7vb8b/pb/7y:
Grant, one of our greatest Presidents was a very successful general.
LBJ, the most honest man ever to sit in the oval office, was a powerful Senator and Majority Leader.
Jiminey Carter, the most gifted negotiator this country has ever seen, was Governor of Georgia.
George W. Bush, who liberated the Moslem world from centuries of decay and turned it into a secular paradise, was Governor of Texas.
Warren Harding, compared to whom even George Washington was nothing but a mail clerk, was Governor of Ohio.

Blogger SciVo March 14, 2016 3:00 AM  

The other robot wrote:If wishes were horses ...

... beggars would eat steak every day.
... beggars would have someone to sleep with.
... beggars would have a cavalry to trample their enemies.
... beggars would be buried alive under a mountain of horseflesh.

Those are a few of the more normal variants of one of my stranger hobbies, as I am both easily bored and easily amused.

Blogger Scott6584 March 14, 2016 3:20 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@161 Scott6584

The Donald employees Establishment insider Republicans, and has advisors from the Council on Foreign Relations.

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This statement alone is so damn stupid, I'm not even reading the rest of it.

Tundra Ted is boning a CFR author of the North American Union. Bushies now in Tundra Teddies campaign, opening offices all across Florida. And Mr. S&L Himself Bush is now on his finance team.



I don't even care about the Council on Foreign Relations or any other conspiratist nonsense. The reality is that it is nigh on impossible to find advisors on foreign policy that are NOT part of the Council on Foreign Relations. It's like the NFL is for football players; it is where people interested in foreign policy go to be in the "big leagues". It doesn't mean that they are part of some grand conspiracy.

So, I don't care that Trump has advisors that are part of the CFA, just like I don't care that he has $270 million in loans from Jewish owned banks like Goldman Sachs, or that his kid converted to Judaism. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of condemning Cruz, while supporting Trump.

If you like Trump better, then fine. Vote for him. I don't care. I'm not condemning him the way you are condemning Cruz. I'm not even blaming Trump for your hypocrisy. I'm just pointing out that YOU are the hypocrite, not Trump or Cruz. They are just both competitors trying to win an election.

What bothers me is your slavish devotion to Trump; but I blame that on you, not him. I'm supporting Cruz, and all your incendiary condemnations aren't going to change my mind. If Cruz loses, then I'll figure out what I'll do after that. But Trump winning is NOT the end of the Republican party as you so hopefully desire. It's just one more turn in the evolution of the modern world.

The entire world is headed for a bloody reckoning. Trump won't stop it, and neither will Cruz. Or Hillary, or Bernie, or anyone else. It is already past the point of saving. The only question is what comes after...

Blogger Groot March 14, 2016 4:54 AM  

OP: "For those readers here who are not yet behind Trump, what I would ask you is this: do you support the US establishment? If not, then why aren't you lined up with the man they obviously hate and fear more than anyone?"

Since you ask, I support parts of the establishment, including families, the Constitution, the rule of law, the study of history, and an emphasis on science and technology, but not others, including a kleptocracy, crony capitalism, central banks prostituting the currency, and the corruption which Jourdan mourns (thanks, Jourdan). The latter evils are incarnate in Trump, the most corrupt, the most crony, the most kleptocratic cuck that draws breath today.

I've been slumming it here for months, and I get that the low-information voter, with perhaps a high-school education and a low-forehead incomprehension of economics, thinks that anything other than fast-growth makes some sense, but it's like talking to rabbits.

For the love of Pete, I am forever defending libertarianism against charges of anarchy, but here you proudly forward it. Trump doesn't even hide it, he straightforwardly cucks you, you midwit idiots.

If he clinches it, he veers hard left for the General. If Cruz clinches it, he doesn't veer, he steers straight, as he has his entire life.

Blogger Ahazuerus March 14, 2016 5:19 AM  

You fans need to step back a moment.

Our good host - May His enemies walk forever barefoot in a Land of Lego - has simply said that Trump is the only candidate opening the Overton window (and especially in regards to immigration/invasion, a critical issue as of today) rather than closing it down to an ever-narrower set of approved positions.

Whether anyone likes Trump, trusts Trump, wants to argue "Trump: great president or greatest ever?", or (heaven forfend) wants to have Trump's illegitimate children ... all that is utterly irrelevant to most of the people reading here.

I'm not complaining about your turgidly long-winded love/hate-fest. Go for it, if that's what gets you through the night.

I'm merely noting that it is incredibly dull and fantastically irrelevant. For all that you are obviously clever people, you're way off into the weeds and arguing about the breed of dog that laid the turd you're sniffing, based on its composition, moisture content, and size.

I thought being a Vile and Faceless Minion of a Dark and Terrible Shitlord was supposed to be fun?

Blogger Shimshon March 14, 2016 6:41 AM  

I can understand taking the position, whether principled or not, to not vote. I can also understand choosing to vote for Trump despite his many weaknesses and verbal incontinence for the one very good reason that the GOPe, and just about the entire mainstream, despise him (or worse). It's actually a very good reason to vote for the man. But people who are sticking with the likes of Cruz? He is a shill. He's a polished shill who speaks much of the language the right likes to hear, but still carries water for the establishment.

Despite all of Vox's rhetoric supportive of Trump, it's not actually clear he's going to vote in a primary or (assuming Trump is still running) the national election. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.

Blogger Lazarus March 14, 2016 6:52 AM  

@152 Nate

holy shit... this guy was Colin Powell's top advisor... and you believe him when he says he was against the Iraqi War?

Belief has naught to do with it. I don't believe much of what anybody says. I just said it is more complex.

Blogger James Dixon March 14, 2016 6:56 AM  

> Do you mean the subjunctive?

Probably. My wife is the English major. I'm a tech.

> If so, were is used for that, not would have.

There's a term for this, Past perfect subjunctive? But I'd have to ask my wife to be sure. I know for certain this isn't the only time I've seen it used that way by people who know how to write better than I do.

> Moreover, it is only used for counterfactuals these days...

Since when does Vox or the others who frequent here care what the current trend is?

Let me know if you want me to forward it on to my wife for her analysis.

Blogger James Dixon March 14, 2016 7:09 AM  

OK, some quick googling, and yes it looks like this is a clear case of the past perfect subjunctive. See:

http://www.grammaring.com/past-perfect-subjunctive
http://www.englishcafe.jp/englishcollege/etense2/e8-1-3.html

for examples.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 14, 2016 8:04 AM  

Desiderius wrote:They're nationalists. Their nation has a lot of black people in it
Black people are citizens of the country, but in no way are they part of the nation and few are at all compatible with it.  That is a major problem.

Blogger tz March 14, 2016 9:06 AM  

@161 - the Cruz loan - seems dodgy since Ted claimed he and Heidi had to raid their retirement - was for the campaign. The Trump "loans" are standard business loans. I'm sure Trump also has several credit cards too.

The GOPe has bought into the SJW tactics and it trying to scare gammas.

The violence narrative is basically the USA will turn into one huge Ferguson/Baltimore because Trump is a brutal Policeman.

This is already backfiring - Law Enforcement is dumping Cruz as are many others.

These "protestors" look an awful lot like terrorists, and the main part of the electorate doesn't want to give into terrorists.

We (unfortunately) didn't ask after 9/11 why did they attack us, but now the media is basically asking what is Trump doing to provoke these nice people (who make pro-ISIS videos).

There's an unfortunate amount of hero-worship toward the police, and the media doesn't do well when they say the police are provoking violence. They reverse sometimes like the Texas cop where there was that huge funeral and "war on cops". Several of those "war on cops" turned out to be hoaxes, and the one in Texas was an adulterer shot by a psycho off his meds like most of the massacres, not a conspiracy to target the police. But in any case, the media is taking the side of the terrorists and thugs.

By trying to be moderate in DC, the country has become more polarized, and we see people choosing sides - they are being forced to. The Trump, America First!, anti-establishment side, v.s. the progressive globalist establishment.

Google and Apple have chosen the latter and will regret it. If you are going to kill the king, you better be sure you succeed. Failing or merely wounding will insure your own destruction.

Blogger Desiderius March 14, 2016 9:07 AM  

Nate,

"holy shit... this guy was Colin Powell's top advisor... and you beleive him when he says he was against the Iraqi War?"

Yes. Powell was always skeptical about Iraq. It's what he fell out with Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield about.

Blogger James Dixon March 14, 2016 9:31 AM  

Well, a new and well stated "Mostest important election, ever", I'll give it that: https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/03/preferring-pirate/

Blogger Student in Blue March 14, 2016 9:48 AM  

I thought being a Vile and Faceless Minion of a Dark and Terrible Shitlord was supposed to be fun?

The life of a soldier is full of long and boring downtimes. It's not all special ops covert missions 24/7, you know.

Blogger Young Heaving Shipping Containers of Liberty March 14, 2016 10:49 AM  

SirHamster wrote:Interesting new nic. Are you drawing an equivalency to your previous ones, or is there a really bizarre news event that I need to read up on?

If you had listened to Nate's ATF radio show, you'd get the joke.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis March 14, 2016 11:32 AM  

Here's the thing, even a couple of days ago I would have told you I was most likely not voting for Trump. But as time goes on I find myself drifting more and more towards "I might vote for the guy" if only because of the insane reaction he is getting towards the media.

I don't trust the guy, I don't think he would be a particularly great president (though he would be no worse then the current sitting and former president) and I don't for a second think he will build that wall (if only because too many people attribute far too much power to the office than they should) but it's getting to the point where Trump could possibly be shot or seriously injured by a crazy yet the media will go "Well it's not good that a presidential candidate was attacked but he kind of had it coming" It's fucking insane. I think Obama is one of the weakest, most unsuited men, to sit in the presidency in a long time yet if someone bum rushed the stage when he was giving a speech and the secret service ended up perforating the guy my only response would be 'idiot deserves it'.

I wonder if the media, GOP, or democratic elite are even cognizant that their antics are pushing people who would otherwise never consider Trump into possibly voting for him. I mean Mark Kern doesn't look like someone who would typically bat for someone on team red.

https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/709209908365778944

Fuck, the more I think about this the more it feels like we are in the wanning days of the Roman Republic. How was what Bernie Sanders supporters did in Chicago any different than what the Gracchi Brohthers, or their Senetorial equivalents, did back in days of yonder?

Blogger Mussorgsky112 March 14, 2016 12:08 PM  

I love how naked the aggression is on the anti-Trump side. "Trump is violent, his supporters are violent, everyone else is violent... which is why we need to 'take them out!' Let's advocate for assassination and conduct violence and terrorism because we're so pure and holy in our cause."

And people wonder why feminism is compared to Islam and why the left loves Islam and Marxism so much. Not only does it increase their power but they can morally absolve themselves of all the horrible things they do in the name of their holy jihad. Of course, most of the people outside of their cults that look inside can see it for what it really is.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 14, 2016 1:15 PM  

@169 Scott6584

What bothers me is your slavish devotion to Trump;
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Then let me clear up a misunderstanding. I don't have a slavish devotion to Trump. I have a slavish devotion to preventing foreigners and anchor babies from becoming president of the united states.

Anonymous hoosiertoo March 14, 2016 1:40 PM  

I backed Cruz from the outset of this cycle over Paul. I still do. Trump has been useful on insofar as he has been a drafting partner for Cruz. IMO, Trump would be a lousy president. It's nothing more complicated than that.
All that said, if he wins the nomination, I'll give him a vote. I don't like the GOPe anymore than the next guy.
All that said, I think the confrontation with the PC left - in both parties - needs to happen. I'd just rather Cruz play Sinn Fein to the Trumpsters' IRA, imperfect as the analogy might be.

Blogger SirHamster March 14, 2016 4:28 PM  

Young Heaving Shipping Containers of Liberty wrote:If you had listened to Nate's ATF radio show, you'd get the joke.

Thanks.

OpenID 0cb7333c-e974-11e5-a6f2-b36c52ab7e43 March 14, 2016 9:06 PM  

A lack of experience (among other factors) has been cited for the problems that confronted Carter, Bush and, currently, Obama.

Obviously, experience is no guarantee of Presidential success, Taft being one excellent example.

Trump has less experience than any President we've ever had. Can anyone think of any head of state who came in off the street and governed effectively?

Anonymous Discard March 15, 2016 5:57 AM  

187. 0cbl7b;nn.hbyib88 .obu bun: Lincoln was a railroad lawyer who had served one term in the U.S. House of Representatives, and 12 years as a part-time state legislator. Like him or not, he was among the least experienced and most able of Presidents.
Trump is not coming off the street. He has many years of experience getting big things done in places like New York City and New Jersey. He IS a professional politician, just not an elected one. Yet.

Blogger James Dixon March 15, 2016 7:20 PM  

> Like him or not, he was among the least experienced and most able of Presidents.

From http://www.civilwar.org/education/civil-war-casualties.html:

"The Civil War was America's bloodiest conflict. ... Roughly 2% of the population, an estimated 620,000 men, lost their lives in the line of duty.

That's able alright. Whether it's an ability to be admired is another matter.

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