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Monday, March 21, 2016

Trump declares noninterventionist foreign policy

I realize many are skeptical that Trump is going to do anything that he says he is going to do. But look at the risks the man is taking. Look at the limbs he is willing to stroll confidently out upon. This is genuinely remarkable in American politics:
Donald Trump outlined an unabashadly noninterventionist approach to world affairs Monday, telling The Washington Post's editorial board that he questions the need for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which has formed the backbone of Western security policies since the Cold War.

The meeting at The Post covered a range of issues, including media libel laws, violence at his rallies, climate change, the NATO and the U.S. presence in Asia.

Speaking ahead of a major address on foreign policy later Monday in front of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Trump said he advocates an aggressive U.S. posture in the world with a light footprint. In spite of unrest abroad, especially in the Middle East, Trump said the United States must look inward and steer its resources toward rebuilding domestic infrastructure.

"I do think it’s a different world today, and I don’t think we should be nation-building anymore," Trump said. "I think it’s proven not to work, and we have a different country than we did then. We have $19 trillion in debt. We’re sitting, probably, on a bubble. And it’s a bubble that if it breaks, it’s going to be very nasty. I just think we have to rebuild our country."

He added: "I watched as we built schools in Iraq and they’re blown up. We build another one, we get blown up. We rebuild it three times and yet we can’t build a school in Brooklyn. We have no money for education because we can’t build in our own country. At what point do you say, 'Hey, we have to take care of ourselves?' So, I know the outer world exists and I’ll be very cognizant of that. But at the same time, our country is disintegrating, large sections of it, especially the inner cities."
Granted, George Bush ran for office on "a humble foreign policy" and we all know how that turned out. But at least we know he's not going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. It should be very interesting to hear what he has to say to AIPAC later today. I'm going to guess it won't be the ritual genuflection that is customary for Republican candidates.

I mean, he's openly talking about shutting down NATO. This is serious stuff.

UPDATE: Trump speech at AIPAC.

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198 Comments:

Blogger Doseux March 21, 2016 4:51 PM  

Is the AIPAC speech being streamed? I'd love to watch it. What he says there will be more important than all the previous debates combined.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2016 4:52 PM  

He certainly is starting to hit all the right notes to bring the RP crowd around, if ever so slightly.

OpenID aew51183 March 21, 2016 4:52 PM  

This is very prescient.

Given many EU nations are set to become majority sunni-militant thanks to the "migrants" they're importing, Trump is now backing away from NATO and pivoting toward possible containment strategies to the global militant islamic threat.

Blogger Alexander March 21, 2016 4:54 PM  

Regardless of where you stand on international organizations...

It strikes me as very odd that we would care about defending nations where the locals aren't reproducing. For what it's actually doing, we might as well phase England, Holland, and France out of NATO and just promise protection to Morocco, Algeria, and Pakistan.

Choo, choo, the Trump Train continues apace. If Europe wants a protection umbrella so they can sneer at how savage we are while their social welfare carries an anemic defense budget, screw em.

They've certainly enjoyed a century of screwing us.

America for Americans. Americans interests for Americans.

Blogger Richard Tengdin March 21, 2016 4:56 PM  

NATO has served its purpose to restrain the Soviet Union. Now we need to partner with the Russian Bear against our common enemy, militant Islam.

Jerry Pournelle's CoDomininum is coming sooner, rather than later.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 4:56 PM  

"I mean, he's openly talking about shutting down NATO. This is serious stuff."

If he throws in shutting down the UN, i'll sign up to be a Trump VFM.

Blogger Student in Blue March 21, 2016 4:57 PM  

I mean, Turkey is a NATO member.

And with friends like these...

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 21, 2016 4:57 PM  

The best indication of a candidate's policy regardless of what he says is his or her cabinet.

Anonymous Steve March 21, 2016 4:58 PM  

NATO should've disbanded in 1991, with thanks and gold watches all round.

What the hell is it for now?

1999 - Bombed the shit out of Yugoslavia. Result: Muslim fanatics take over part of Yugoslavia.

2011: Bombed the shit out of Libya. Result: Muslim fanatics take over Libya.

2001-2014 - Fucking around in Afghanistan. Result: Muslim fanatics still run Afghanistan.

It's not an impressive record, is it?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 4:59 PM  

NATO made sense in the past.

I'm sure there is a name for this, but it seems after many organizations achieve their objectives, they continue on instead of folding shop.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2016 4:59 PM  

He just issued fighting words to the NOVA crowd, standby for hysteria

Blogger VFM #7191 March 21, 2016 5:01 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:He certainly is starting to hit all the right notes to bring the RP crowd around, if ever so slightly.

It's notable that Walter Block recently helped launch the "Libertarians for Trump" group. Unsurprisingly, Block views Trump's relatively non-interventionist positions on foreign policy to be his main selling point.

Blogger Sam Lively March 21, 2016 5:02 PM  

Love how he's getting out in front of the bubble breaking too.

Blogger Verne March 21, 2016 5:03 PM  

Russia is no longer powerful enough to go to war with Western Europe and expect to come out of it in very good shape. Though if we left on short notice, Europe has let their militaries weaken badly, knowing that we are there to do it for them. Yes we need to pull out of Europe. We spend far to much of our nations wealth protecting the worlds wealthiest nations

Blogger tz March 21, 2016 5:05 PM  

Walter Block who asks questions that should not be asked is helping form Libertarians for Trump arguing mainly that war is the health of the state and is the main destroyer of liberty, and Trump is talking about shrinking the warfare state.

But, the perfect is the enemy of the good. It is our goal to throw our weight behind the candidate who has a reasonable chance of actually becoming President of the United States whose views are CLOSEST to libertarianism.

When put in this way, it is clear that The Donald is the most congruent with our perspective. This is true, mainly because of foreign policy. And, of the three, foreign policy, economic policy and person liberties, the former is the most important. As Murray Rothbard and Bob Higgs have demonstrated over and over again, US foreign policy determines what occurs in economics and in the field of personal liberties. Foreign policy is the dog that wags the other two tails.

We readily concede Mr. Donald Trump is no Ron Paul on foreign policy or anything else for that matter. However, compared to his Republican alternatives, the Donald stands head and shoulders above them. He has said, time and time again, things like “Look at what we did in Iraq. It’s a mess. Look at what we did in Libya. It’s a mess there too. And we’re going to repeat our mistakes in Syria? Not on my watch.” Would Cruz or Rubio ever say anything like that? To ask this question is to answer it. And, very importantly, who is the one candidate who went out of his way so as to not antagonize Russia and Premier Putin? It is the Donald, that is who. Do we really want to fight World War III with Russia? With Mr. Trump at the helm, we minimize the chances of this catastrophe occurring. (See Donald Miller’s brilliant article on this issue, mentioned below). Yes, future President Trump wants a strong military, but with only a few exceptions, fewer than the other Republican candidates, only to defend our country

Blogger Sam Lively March 21, 2016 5:06 PM  

Steve wrote:NATO should've disbanded in 1991, with thanks and gold watches all round.

What the hell is it for now?



I think you could make a case for keeping NATO around as a military treaty organization to resist immivasion of the West, particularly from Muslim countries. Kick out Turkey, retire the US and bring in Russia.

Of course, as you've pointed out, they've done the opposite.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 21, 2016 5:07 PM  

I'll vote twice for anyone who'll actually do something about vote fraud.
I'll vote 3 times for anyone who'd quit NATO.

Blogger Dexter March 21, 2016 5:12 PM  

Russia is no longer powerful enough to go to war with Western Europe and expect to come out of it in very good shape.

They are only because the Eurotrash are weak and spineless and think Uncle Sugar will always have their back.

Blogger tz March 21, 2016 5:13 PM  

Ron Paul showed the futility of playing the game and expecting that a humble, honorable, constitutionalist candidate could get elected, or that he would even be allowed to speak as long as the establishment was in power. So the logical thing is to blow the whole thing up, and then worry about how much is reconstructed later.

Blogger Bill March 21, 2016 5:13 PM  

And Bush had "a humble foreign policy", until 9/11.

Blogger Dexter March 21, 2016 5:15 PM  

It will be interesting to see what he says to AIPAC.

Wondering if he will go with the "I love Israel yaaay!" approach in order to defuse the "Trump is Hitler" crap.

Which won't work, because the Left will call him Hitler no matter what he does (he can ask Dubya how effective all his Israel-praise and neocon advisers were at shutting down all that Bushitler crap).

Anonymous Philipp March 21, 2016 5:16 PM  

Very good. I hope Trump will really conduct an non-interventionist foreign policy. The Iraq and Libya wars and their aftermatch were utter disasters and neither the neocons nor the liberal interventionists (Clinton, Rice, Power) have learned anything from it. They still want to topple Assad, which would only benefit AQ and IS.

Blogger praetorian March 21, 2016 5:18 PM  

/ looks at Josh and Nate /

Anonymous BGKB March 21, 2016 5:18 PM  

I have never heard any other politician mention the costs of military bases. S Korea doesn't even pay the costs of 100 soldiers.

I watched as we built schools in Iraq and they’re blown up. We build another one, we get blown up

Even worse when they get blown up by weapons HilLIARy gave ""moderate"" moslems.

Love how he's getting out in front of the bubble breaking too.

If it breaks on his watch he doesn't want the credit Clinton got for internet sales coming about.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx March 21, 2016 5:19 PM  

Trump said the United States must look inward and steer its resources toward rebuilding domestic infrastructure..."I just think we have to rebuild our country... we can’t build a school in Brooklyn. We have no money for education because we can’t build in our own country... our country is disintegrating, large sections of it, especially the inner cities."

This fits a thesis that I have not seen elsewhere. Trump is in real estate. He understands property values and what makes them rise or fall. He's looking at the US in the terms he is familiar with. He has probably seen a gated community or two as well.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 5:19 PM  

And the broken record keeps skipping over and over and over

https://twitter.com/shaqbrewster/status/712003043638820864

Anonymous BGKB March 21, 2016 5:20 PM  

Wondering if he will go with the "I love Israel yaaay!" approach in order to defuse

What if he said "I love Israel & have jewish grandkids, but don't think they need $8billion in aid a year, while pointing to Christian treatment in the middle east?

Blogger Cloudswrest March 21, 2016 5:21 PM  

He added: "I watched as we built schools in Iraq and they’re blown up. We build another one, we get blown up. We rebuild it three times...

For some reason Monty Python's Swamp Castle comes to mind.

Anonymous Steve March 21, 2016 5:22 PM  

Sam - I think you could make a case for keeping NATO around as a military treaty organization to resist immivasion of the West, particularly from Muslim countries.

We don't even need that.

The military threat from Muslim countries is zero.

Don't need a grand multinational nuclear-tipped entente cordiale to turn back fishing boats carrying illegals across the Med.

A few coastguard ships and some rifles would do the job just fine.

4GW is cheap.

Blogger frenchy March 21, 2016 5:23 PM  

@10,

The word is culminate.

Anonymous redsash March 21, 2016 5:28 PM  

Putin should be Christian America's closest ally. Leaving NATO ensures this.

Mexico won't pay for the wall? Then move the damn wall further south, much further south.

OpenID aew51183 March 21, 2016 5:29 PM  

"The military threat from Muslim countries is zero."

The military threat from Muslim countries is their borging of western europe through "migrants", and turning those weapons upon the rest of the West.

This is why disengaging from Nato and pivoting toward a Russo Alliance is a good idea.

Anonymous Jonathan March 21, 2016 5:32 PM  

I wonder if W would have been any better of a president had the terrorist attacks not occurred. He seemed to change rhetoric after they took place.

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 5:33 PM  

The best guy on Twitter right now is "Conservative Pundit" On the NATO point, he said:

Conservative Pundit ‏@DemsRRealRacist 1h1 hour ago
Trump is a madman. If we withdraw from NATO, then how is Turkey going to get us involved in a nuclear exchange with Russia? Think!

Anonymous Discard March 21, 2016 5:34 PM  

Top that, Bernie.

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 5:34 PM  

Conservative Pundit ‏@DemsRRealRacist 1h1 hour ago

George Washington is no doubt rolling in his grave at the prospect that the US might stop involving itself in internecine Mid East wars.

Anonymous BGKB March 21, 2016 5:38 PM  

"The military threat from Muslim countries is zero."

The low IQ 3rd world moslem refusegee living on taxpayer paid benefits has the most dangerous weapon, a full auto vagina. Its like a squatting version of a bomberwoman video game.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 5:38 PM  

Have you guys seen this? I'm still looking at it, but he has apparently named his national security advisers.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/21/trump-names-national-security-advisory-team/

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 5:42 PM  

I was only on Capitol Hill for work for six months, but even in that short amount of time I can assure you that there are only about six elected officials who are American nationalists and Senator Sessions is one of them. If Sessions is there (and his staffer, Steve Miller), you can rest assured that there is a strong, common-sense, American nationalist in charge.

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 5:44 PM  

No, that is wrong, there is no military threat, no reason for NATO to exist. Even my colleague who work there admit to me openly that everyone realizes there is no mission. It's nothing more than a mechanism to ensure U.S. military supremacy in Europe and to allow a high official to pretend he's Eisenhower and call himself the "Supreme Allied Commander".

It's make-work for the elite and powerful.

Military welfare.

Anonymous theblondbeast March 21, 2016 5:45 PM  

I love the rhetorical risks - and the weeping and lamentations of the SJW's which follow.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 5:46 PM  

Ok, found one CFR guy out of the handful listed in that article:

"Page, a graduate of the United States Naval Academy and now the managing partner of Global Energy Capital, is a longtime energy-industry executive who rose through the ranks at Merrill Lynch around the world before founding his current firm. He previously was a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations where he focused on the Caspian Sea region and the economic development in former Soviet states, according to his company biography and documents from his appearances at panels over the past decade."

I'm not sure how much weight this one guy would have on a team, but he must be watched like a hawk.

OpenID aew51183 March 21, 2016 5:47 PM  

"there are only about six elected officials who are American nationalists and Senator Sessions is one of them"

Then he shouldn't be relinquishing the power of a senior senate seat to join Trump's cabinet. He'd be in a much better position to serve Trump's interest in the Senate.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 5:49 PM  

I think these teams are for the campaign, not sure if it's time for any of them to be talking about cabinets yet.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 5:50 PM  

Have you guys seen this? I'm still looking at it, but he has apparently named his national security advisers.


It's in the article vox linked to...

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 5:51 PM  

I'm not sure how much weight this one guy would have on a team, but he must be watched like a hawk.

Trump's foreign policy team is bad.

Not as bad as the Cruz foreign policy team, but still bad.

Anonymous Steve March 21, 2016 5:54 PM  

BGKB - a full auto vagina

Sure.

Not a military weapon, and doesn't need F-35's or cruise missiles or AESA radar to defend against.

Stop paying the bearer of said clitless cooze welfare and send it on its not-so-merry way back to Goatpissistan.

Simples.

Immivasion is 4GW. 4GW is low-tech. All you need is a functioning set of bollocks and half a brain in your head.

This is the sort of problem our great-great grandfathers could've solved in a few months with steam engines, truncheons and Brown Bess muskets. And a few bits of rope for the Merkels.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2016 5:55 PM  

Yeah, the FP team could be worse but it could be a lot better.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 5:55 PM  

Daniel Larison of THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE on Walid Phares:

Phares is a former Romney adviser, and selecting him as an adviser reflects just as poorly on Trump as it did on Romney. Leon Hadar has described him in TAC as a neoconservative and “an academic who was involved with right-wing Christian militia groups during the Lebanese civil war,” but that doesn’t do full justice to Phares’ record of bad judgment and alarmist rhetoric about foreign threats. As McKay Coppins reported shortly after Romney named Phares as an adviser, “Throughout his career as a pundit, he has warned that some Muslims are plotting a secret takeover of American institutions with the end goal of imposing Sharia.” Like Cruz adviser Frank Gaffney, Phares has been convinced for years that U.S, foreign policy has been dictated by Islamists.

Anonymous Discard March 21, 2016 6:00 PM  

49. Josh: You had me at "right-wing Christian militia groups".

Blogger Ahazuerus March 21, 2016 6:00 PM  

He's really kicking the shit out of that Overton window - there's no doubt about that.

Whether he means it or not, he's pushed the edge of the envelope farther and faster than anyone since Rosa Parks.

Blogger Sam Lively March 21, 2016 6:01 PM  

@49

I read a Phares article on the Georgia/South Ossetia imbroglio. Even-handed. Certainly didn't come across as a conventional neocon in the McCain mold.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 6:02 PM  

@45 Josh

It's in the article vox linked to...
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I couldn't see that article says I've got to pay to look at it. Sorry about that :P


I'm also looking into this Phares guy. Sites say he is a neocon.

Should any weight be given to information from this website?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/walid-phares-mitt-romney-lebanese-forces

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2016 6:05 PM  

"I'm sure there is a name for this . . ."

Mission Creep, or in case of organizations facing disbandment when their mission is accomplished, but there are still people drawing nice pay checks from it, I suppose it would be Mission Sprint.

The March of Dimes is still with us.

Blogger Mr. Bee March 21, 2016 6:06 PM  

Be still my beating heart.

Blogger Nick S March 21, 2016 6:07 PM  

To watch Kasich's blatantly gratuitous gush of name dropping was nearly more than I could stand. The way he tells it, he must be personal best friends with every Jew on the planet.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 6:08 PM  

Yeah Nick S, he was terrible. And now Paul Ryno? This is like the Cuckservative Hall of Fame speech or something.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 21, 2016 6:09 PM  

#9. Steve:
What the hell is it for now?

1999 - Bombed the shit out of Yugoslavia. Result: Muslim fanatics take over part of Yugoslavia.

2011: Bombed the shit out of Libya. Result: Muslim fanatics take over Libya.

2001-2014 - Fucking around in Afghanistan. Result: Muslim fanatics still run Afghanistan.

It's not an impressive record, is it?


You speak as if this were a bug. It is in fact a feature. The EUSSR's muscle is NATO - still with USSA bases all over the EUSSR from the UK okrug to the Polish okrug a full quarter-century after the Red Army went back to the motherland. You think any nationalist Euros would be allowed to actually take their own countries back from the banksta-bitches who run them presently? There's a reason some of us refer to the propositional notion headquartered in Sodom-on-Potomac as the Banana Empire. The Golden Kebabs in EUSSR serve the same purpose as Golden Dindus in the USSA. They're given a license to kill YT at YT's expense, while being adored as objects of worship under the new mass-opiate of Cuckstianity (which has largely supplanted the old Christianity, only practiced by a few scattered remnants) - epitomized by the present anti-pope fellating the invading dindus an kebabs on Lampedusa island.

Anonymous Garrulus March 21, 2016 6:12 PM  

I hold USA responsible for the invasion of Syria and coup in Ukraine.
It's a bit cheap for Trump to now blame it on Europe, since they just follow US lead in all things military.
As a european I will be glad if the occupation is ended and US forces leave our countries. Europe is best served with its own (non EU) defense treaties.

Stuff like the following ongoing trend (integration of dutch and czech cavalry in the german army) is excellent (except for the EU bit)


http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article153382058/Die-Bundeswehr-wird-zum-Labor-fuer-eine-EU-Armee.html?utm_content=buffer2c513&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 6:16 PM  

Speaking of bad foreign policy team, check out the Fruit Ninjas:

https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/711981491119628291

I see Trent Lott and Sununu listed FFS

I bet their favorite song is this old Punk Rock favorite:
Bomb The Russians

Blogger Sam Lively March 21, 2016 6:17 PM  

Reading further, seems like Phares is a big fan of nation building in the Middle East. Ah well.

It's like the opposite of the Trump pro vs. con on immigration - his instincts seem great, but his team not so much.

Blogger Escoffier March 21, 2016 6:29 PM  

Not even a little OT: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/me-gusta-trump-portrait-of-a-hispanic-trump-voter

"John Castillo grew up in Lincoln Heights, the heart of Hispanic Los Angeles, in a tight-knit Mexican-American family. His father’s name was Juan, but his mother decided to name their son John. . . .

After the Marines, Castillo moved back to California and went to work for U.P.S. He’s now an inspector for an aerospace company. He was once a Democrat but is now a conservative and a Republican. The transition happened in the Marines. “The way they scream at you, it hardens you,” he says. “It makes you understand the importance of respecting the law.” He also thinks travel helped him get rid of a “naïve” point of view that he associates with liberal politics. He believes in the importance of the Second Amendment. . . .

His Twitter bio reads “devout Catholic” and “lifelong pro wrestling fan.” He’s also a fan of Spanish-language radio, and he retweets Pope Francis and the W.W.E. with equal enthusiasm. And he is also a passionate supporter of Donald Trump.

When I responded that plenty of those whom he wants to protect could potentially be deported en masse by President Trump (there are a million undocumented immigrants living in Los Angeles County, more than in any other county in the United States), Castillo rejected the idea that his views were contradictory. I’d much rather live surrounded by my own people than any other,” he says, “but illegal is illegal.” And yet, there is a possibility that gives him pause: What if Trump keeps his word and rounds up Castillo’s friends and neighbors? “If he were to try that there would be riots and uprisings,” he says, blinking rapidly. “If he did that I would fight back.”


Wow! An ex-Marine who if the President enforced the law would fight against sworn lawful authority? But Sarah Hoyt assures me that this fellow is the best of Americans?

What is a poor hate filled bigot to think?

Anonymous The Kulak March 21, 2016 6:35 PM  

@20CONmittee, the fired ex-US Naval (Twitter) War College professor is already having a conniption fit over this. He tweeted that there's a big difference between neocon invade the world and abandon NATO positions. Indeed there is but what even Schindler won't say (perhaps for fear of pissing off his old buddy USNWC Tom Nichols of the 24/7 #NeverTrump Twitter camp) is that Trump's logic may be that if NATO permits Turkey to stay even after not so covertly aiding ISIS, openly aiding Jabhat al Nusra aka Al-Qaeda in Syria, and blackmailing the EU for billions or they send more Muslim invaders, what damn good is NATO? It seems useful only for issuing press releases and lining the pockets of a certain worthless anti-Russia lobby contigent and defending the Continent from phantom 'polite people', not the actual young Muslim male invaders who are showing up. Even the NATO ships that were sent to the Aegean to make it look like they were doing something aren't stopping any smuggler boats whatsoever. It's a joke.

Anonymous Bz March 21, 2016 6:38 PM  

When do we start? Added bonus: spend that spare cash on guns rather than importing al-dindus.

OpenID basementhomebrewer March 21, 2016 6:38 PM  

The getting out of NATO part is good. The implication that the Federal government should instead spend the money on schools in Brooklyn is bad. I would be much more enthusiastic about spending the money to retrain and restructure the military into a more capable fighting force.

Anonymous The Kulak March 21, 2016 6:41 PM  

@ 58 - @59 The EU(SSR) and to a lesser extent (Sorosian) Washington's pissing on the new Polish nationalist PiS government, its overt support for the Banderites and (WW2 era Volyn Pole massacreing) UPA worshippers in KYiv, ought to have disabused any self-respecting Pole by now. They will always be 2nd or even 3rd tier in the big EU boys club.

After the Americans go home, the Visegrad alliance with Czech-Slovakia and Hungary with maybe Slovenia and Croatia thrown in is Poland's future -- as is making Galicia for all practical purposes a Polish satellite even if borders don't officially change. Russia isn't the only country that has been quietly issuing passports for years in that part of the world, anyone with any brains in Ukraine with even the slightest ancestry besides Russian is claiming their Polish, Hungarian or Romanian passports if they can.

Besides if you're STILL truly paranoid about Russia or even another Molotov Ribbentrop dear Polish friends, I hear Japan has lots of surplus weapoons grade plutonium for their requirements. Nations with nukes don't get invaded.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2016 6:42 PM  

Trump is addressing AIPAC now.

Anonymous N5 March 21, 2016 6:47 PM  

Your great grandfathers did, mate. "They have their customs and we have ours" General Napier (I believe), said.

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Anonymous Culture Heretic March 21, 2016 6:55 PM  

Given many EU nations are set to become majority sunni-militant thanks to the "migrants" they're importing.

If Europe wants a protection umbrella so they can sneer at how savage we are while their social welfare carries an anemic defense budget, screw em.

They are only because the Eurotrash are weak and spineless and think Uncle Sugar will always have their back.

Damn, that's a lot of anti-euro knockbacks, as a European myself I have to say you might be surprised by what West Europe is capable of in the future.

And to prove I have a sense of humour (notice the spelling) here's some comedy:

Youtube: Kenny Everett General Cheeseburger

Anonymous Frank Brady March 21, 2016 6:59 PM  

rump's AIPAC speech was an unqualified disaster. He "outHillaried" Hillary in obsequiousness. I had hopes--but it appears that a Trump presidency will NOT bring about an end to the Israeli tail wagging the American poodle. How disappointing and disgusting!

Blogger Frank Brady March 21, 2016 7:00 PM  

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Blogger Frank Brady March 21, 2016 7:03 PM  

Trump's AIPAC speech was an unqualified disaster. He "outHillaried" Hillary in obsequiousness. I had hopes--but it appears that a Trump presidency will NOT bring about an end to the Israeli tail wagging the American poodle. How disappointing and disgusting!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2016 7:09 PM  

OR its a clever gambit to pull the kosher wool over AIPAC's eyes and line up Gal Gadot as wife number 4!

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 21, 2016 7:10 PM  

``1999 - Bombed the shit out of Yugoslavia. Result: Muslim fanatics take over part of Yugoslavia.

2011: Bombed the shit out of Libya. Result: Muslim fanatics take over Libya.

2001-2014 - Fucking around in Afghanistan. Result: Muslim fanatics still run Afghanistan.

It's not an impressive record, is it?''



If you're mohammedan, it probably looks pretty impressive. This NATO is some sort of Saudi military alliance, right?

Anonymous Ratchet March 21, 2016 7:11 PM  

That John doesn't care so much if somebody else's illegal ox gets gored but he wants to keep his.

Blogger Doom March 21, 2016 7:17 PM  

Shutting down NATO? Nice. Next the UN. All good.

As for trust? Shouldn't ever trust a politician, not even a Trump or Reagan. They have to be pushed, after some point. They get a lot of feedback for changing things and need support and an greater push from our side.

As you and others have suggested, just by 'going there', he is shaking and rattling. When both parties are terrified, you have a good start. What was that old saying... if politicians aren't afraid, than we should be. And, just to shake another tree... Yum!

Anonymous John Steed March 21, 2016 7:19 PM  

@73 As long as he doesn`t `do the wailing wall` bit, it`ll be fine.

Blogger Dexter March 21, 2016 7:21 PM  

Trump's AIPAC speech was an unqualified disaster. He "outHillaried" Hillary in obsequiousness. I had hopes--but it appears that a Trump presidency will NOT bring about an end to the Israeli tail wagging the American poodle. How disappointing and disgusting!

So all the Trump haters who say "he's just lying to get elected, don't trust him!" will believe this promise, or something.

Anonymous Discard March 21, 2016 7:23 PM  

71.-73. Frank Brady: I'd lie to Israel too. No, Trump's not going to nuke them, but once he's in office, he doesn't have to put up with them either. See how his standing goes up whenever he gets a public whipping from his betters? If Reagan was the Teflon President, Trump could be the Kevlar POTUS.

Blogger Gaiseric March 21, 2016 7:23 PM  

Every. Single. Time. Trump articulates a clear policy proposals, it's not only more serious than I expected it to be, it's better than I ever dreamed I would hear a politician in the US ever be. He truly is an amazing candidate.

Anonymous JamesD March 21, 2016 7:23 PM  

Ignore the Trump AIPAC speech. You know how it goes. It will take a few years until AIPAC is not important. Today it is.

Blogger lowercaseb March 21, 2016 7:24 PM  

Escoffier wrote:Wow! An ex-Marine who if the President enforced the law would fight against sworn lawful authority? But Sarah Hoyt assures me that this fellow is the best of Americans?

Ironic, since the service oath is the defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Looks like he just labeled himself as a domestic enemy.

Blogger Lazarus March 21, 2016 7:24 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:NATO made sense in the past.

I'm sure there is a name for this, but it seems after many organizations achieve their objectives, they continue on instead of folding shop.


Neo-Con Convergence?

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2016 7:28 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:NATO made sense in the past.

I'm sure there is a name for this, but it seems after many organizations achieve their objectives, they continue on instead of folding shop.


The organizational imperative is existence, same as organisms. Just another piece of evidence for metapeople.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 7:29 PM  

Here's another new domestic enemy, The TrAnti-Trump

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2016 7:31 PM  

Trump always gets the right enemies, now the Stormfronters will disavow him. So now that the Israeli issue is off the table we can get back to business.

OpenID denektenorsk March 21, 2016 7:32 PM  

He's the next Hitler obviously... I mean he's advocating going out and grabbing Lebensraum for the volk!

Seriously though, he has a point - intervention in the middle east has earned as much good will as doing nothing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Surely Venezuelan oil is just as easy to import.

The exception is you have a massive debt in the US for being the security force of NATO (which has allowed the rest of NATO to become a bunch of pussies). Europe is 8% of the worlds population, ~20% of the world economy and 50% of social spending? You don't get to do that without someone else footing the security bill.

I say this as a Canadian who has "benefited" from my high taxes going to a social net instead of a military. The West needs the US/NATO, the US does not need NATO. If we broke down the numbers I'm sure the US pretty much IS NATO as far as actual boots on ground and cash spent is concerned. I know Canada contributes a fly speck. At any point in time we may have 3 active diesel subs... one of which is not safe enough for deep dives. The 4th is permanently dry docked - essentially used as scrap/parts. We have 12 frigates that are being retrofit (by Lockheed Martin Canada, who is sucking that gubmint tit long and hard) and it is years behind schedule.

Time to take care of your own people first.... Step back, let Europe fence the Middle east in, and they can have the wars/take out the trash as they so desperately need.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 21, 2016 7:38 PM  

If NATO was disbanded, where would the Neocons pop up next? I doubt they just roll over and give up.

Blogger Lazarus March 21, 2016 7:40 PM  

JamesD wrote:Ignore the Trump AIPAC speech. You know how it goes. It will take a few years until AIPAC is not important. Today it is.


Here is the transcript, so that people can ignore it actively instead of passively.

http://time.com/4267058/donald-trump-aipac-speech-transcript/

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2016 7:41 PM  

The technical term is hijra, because of course Muslims have a word for conquest through immigration.

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2016 7:42 PM  

That was a response to this:

aew51183 wrote:"The military threat from Muslim countries is zero."

The military threat from Muslim countries is their borging of western europe through "migrants", and turning those weapons upon the rest of the West.

This is why disengaging from Nato and pivoting toward a Russo Alliance is a good idea.

Blogger Sam Lively March 21, 2016 7:46 PM  

Well, he did genuflect, staying on script with his speechwriter. Was boring and safe for the first time in a while (other than the last debate).

This bit was solid: "The parties must negotiate a resolution themselves. The United States can be useful as a facilitator of negotiations, but no one should be telling Israel it must abide by some agreement made by others thousands of miles away that don't even really know what's happening."

Anonymous VFM #7916 March 21, 2016 7:47 PM  

@90 Thanks, Lazarus for the link.

Some interesting ideas there. Some pokes in there, subtly, for SA too.

Blogger Doseux March 21, 2016 7:49 PM  

now the Stormfronters will disavow him.
I'm waiting for the headlines like: "David Duke Disavows Trump, Support Drops 80%!"

Wait, that's not going to happen.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2016 7:49 PM  

Muslims have a word for conquest by picking their fucking noses.

Blogger Jew613 March 21, 2016 7:52 PM  

Trump AIPAC speech
If you missed the live speech here is the full version.

If the USA would not interfere in Israeli politics, such as the Obama administrations efforts to bring down bibi and end Aid to Israel that would be for the best. The USA cant afford to give away money and accepting aid weakens Israel making us dependent on foreign governments.

Anonymous Ratchet March 21, 2016 7:53 PM  

In an ideal world they would be found swinging from lamp posts.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2016 7:53 PM  

Muslims have a word for conquest by picking their fucking noses.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 21, 2016 7:56 PM  

Josh wrote:Phares has been convinced for years that U.S, foreign policy has been dictated by Islamists

Sounds to me like he knows about the Bush ties to the Saudis.

OpenID talkinhorse March 21, 2016 7:57 PM  

Trump's analysis is disturbing but correct. America has used its post-WWII power to maintain a (reasonably) stable world order. An American withdrawal is dangerous; a vacuum is likely to be filled by something far less benign (e.g., the rise of ISIS). However, we're doomed to pull back one way or another, because America simply cannot carry this burden. We could do it when we dominated the world's productivity; now we're borrowing and importing. So we've got to do *something* in pursuit of economic balance and national survival. If not Trump's roadmap, then what? It's a fair question.

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 7:57 PM  

What a bad day for Trump.

By visiting the editors of the Washington Post, he empowered his enemies to no good purpose.

He then followed it up with a standard-issue speech to AIPAC that will gain him nothing but dismay many of his followers, who are seeking for a NATIONALIST voice in foreign policy, not more Israel-hugging.

A bad day.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob March 21, 2016 7:58 PM  

Jew613, if we stop interfering in your politics, will you guys stop interfering in ours?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2016 8:06 PM  

That speech won't have any negative effect, it was a boring pro-Israeli boiler plate speech given a thousand times with a few personal anecdotes.

My advice to the Arabs, surrender, accept a second class citizenship in spirit if not law and move on in to the 21st century, now that's a deal believe me, believe me.

And any nationalist should on some level admire AIPAC.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 21, 2016 8:09 PM  

"It will be interesting to see what he says to AIPAC.

Wondering if he will go with the "I love Israel yaaay!" approach in order to defuse the "Trump is Hitler" crap."

He did, but,

"OR its a clever gambit to pull the kosher wool over AIPAC's eyes and line up Gal Gadot as wife number 4!"

I go for the latter.

Blogger pyrrhus March 21, 2016 8:10 PM  

Trump is the only private citizen, with no experience in government, EVER to run for President and be a strong contender. His proposals are light years more sensible than the DC Establishment's. Trump may be our last chance to open the system....He may fail, but anyone who supports any part of the Goldman, Citi, Israel-first, minority pandering DC Establishment doesn't understand that it will be a disaster, and that includes Cruz.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 8:10 PM  

http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/donald-j-trump-remarks-at-aipac

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 8:10 PM  

@105 - Right, just like all those times Bush did something stupid BUT it was really a clever part of his master plan to prevail victorious.

Come on.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 8:12 PM  

When I become President, the days of treating Israel like a second-class citizen will end on Day One. I will meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu immediately. I have known him for many years and we will be able to work closely together to help bring stability and peace to Israel and to the entire region.

Very non interventionist!

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 8:13 PM  

Israel-first, minority pandering

Did you read his aipac speech?

Anonymous cincinnatus March 21, 2016 8:13 PM  

rump's AIPAC speech was an unqualified disaster. He "outHillaried" Hillary in obsequiousness. I had hopes--but it appears that a Trump presidency will NOT bring about an end to the Israeli tail wagging the American poodle. How disappointing and disgusting!

@71 Frank Brady
There's a full transcript at theconservativetreehouse.

It's honestly not bad, and I speak as one who can't stand Israel-firsters. He makes it clear that he'd call out Israel's enemies for their bad behavior, and force them to actually go through with deals -- I mean, we're talking muzzies here -- but it was not obsequious. He told them what they wanted to hear.

For instance, he left out the bit about dealing with Putin as a legitimate leader, and bombing the h*ll out of ISIS.

And yes, if Iran and its terror groups act like pricks, they should be called out on it by anybody who wants to be an impartial actor. Likewise if Israel does so.

It was fair, a bit flowery, but I wouldn't call it "Israel-first". No mention of neoconnery or of our sending forces to multiple Middle East sandboxes to keep Israel safe, as Rubio, Kasich, and the other GOPe all want to do. Instead, it was all about getting Israel's local enemies to negotiate.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 21, 2016 8:16 PM  

Lazarus wrote:

Here is the transcript, so that people can ignore it actively instead of passively.


Looks pretty tame to me. Other than siding with the Saudis against the Iranians; nothing is solid.

Jourdan wrote:

He then followed it up with a standard-issue speech to AIPAC


Yep, it's called highlighting agreement and minimising disagreement. This is "Winning Friends and Influencing People" 101.

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 8:19 PM  

@111 - No, cincinnatus, that is wrong; the speech was horrible and its open pandering and declaration of war against Iran on multiple fronts is an interventionist as it gets.

Trump had a real opportunity today and he blew it.

And if he thinks he's all of a sudden going to get good press and not be called Hitler anymore...well, I can't see him being that stupid.

He empowered his enemies today, both at AIPAC and at the Post. And no doubt I'm not the only supporter worried about it.

If it's going to be business as usual today in the Beltway and with fighting Iran for Israel all over the Middle East, I don't see how that is nationalist.

OpenID denektenorsk March 21, 2016 8:20 PM  

Read the speech. He is becoming more 'presidential'. I await the next media meltdown with anticipation.

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 8:22 PM  

@112 - Yeah, and if he did really well at making friends and influencing people, perhaps only 93% of Jews will vote against him and donate to his adversaries as opposed to 95%.

Meanwhile, American nationalists have a right to ask: what is in it for the real, existing United States and the American people if the agenda Trump outlined in his speech today is executed at 100%?

More billions spent, more dead American soldiers, more Jewish and Islamist rage directed at us, more blame heaped on American soldiers when--shock of shocks!--these two Stone Age tribes end up hating each other just as much as they did when this latest effort to "bring peace" fails.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 8:23 PM  


Trump always gets the right enemies, now the Stormfronters will disavow him. So now that the Israeli issue is off the table we can get back to business.


Karl Rove, is that you?

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 8:25 PM  

Meanwhile, American nationalists have a right to ask: what is in it for the real, existing United States and the American people if the agenda Trump outlined in his speech today is executed at 100%?

Bagels and falafel?

Blogger Rusty Fife March 21, 2016 8:27 PM  

Jourdan wrote:If it's going to be business as usual today in the Beltway and with fighting Iran for Israel all over the Middle East, I don't see how that is nationalist

Recall how frustrated everyone was with Bush when Cheney, the SECRETARY OF WAR, would come out and say something about how the sands of Iraq would drip with blood. The same day, Powell as Secretary of Peaceful State, would talk about all the flowers we were going to plant. It is called strategic abiguity. Trump has been doing this the whole campaign.

He just did it with AIPAC and that other TV interview. All it means is that we have no idea what he is going to do...just like any other politician.

Blogger praetorian March 21, 2016 8:28 PM  

MUUUUUUUUUH DIXEEEEEEEEEEE.

Short of digging up Abraham Lincoln's corpse, burning it, grinding the bones into dust, salting the dust and then shooting them into the sun while doing the moonwalk to A Countryboy Can Survive while fireworks in the shape of the battle flag go off in the background, what, exactly can Trump do to get a moderately approving "hmmpf" from y'all?

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 8:31 PM  

what, exactly can Trump do to get a moderately approving "hmmpf" from y'all?

Hey I already said his foreign policy team was less of a disaster than the Cruz team, what else do you want?

Blogger praetorian March 21, 2016 8:33 PM  

Just a sieg heil, Josh. Just a sieg heil.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2016 8:38 PM  

Compelling imagery though, Praetorian but You left out the General Lee.

FAIL

Blogger The Other Robot March 21, 2016 8:38 PM  

No doubt Obama will claim that Trump has white privilege to explain why Trump can do so many things Obama couldn't.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 9:00 PM  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 9:07 PM  


DIEHL: About Ukraine, was it right for the United States to impose sanctions on Russia when they invaded Crimea and would you keep those sanctions on them?

TRUMP: I think the answer is yes, it was, but I don’t see other people doing much about it. I see us doing things about it, but I don’t see other people doing much about it.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 9:08 PM  


DIEHL: And could I ask you about ISIS, speaking of making commitments, because you talked recently about possibly sending 20 or 30,000 troops and—

TRUMP: No I didn’t, oh no no no, okay, I know what you’re saying. There was a question asked to me. I said that the military, the generals have said that 20- to 30,000. They said, would you send troops? I didn’t say send 20,000. I said, well the generals are saying you’d need because they , what would it take to wipe out ISIS, I said pretty much exactly this, I said the generals, the military is saying you would need 20- to 30,000 troops, but I didn’t say that I would send them.

DIEHL: If they said that, would you go along with that and send the troops?

TRUMP: I find it hard to go along with—I mention that as an example because it’s so much. That’s why I brought that up. But a couple of people have said the same thing as you, where they said did I say that and I said that that’s a number that I heard would be needed. I would find it very, very hard to send that many troops to take care of it. I would say this, I would put tremendous pressure on other countries that are over there to use their troops and I’d give them tremendous air supporters and support , because we have to get rid of ISIS, okay, just so — we have to get rid of ISIS. I would get other countries to become very much involved.

Anonymous FitzRobert March 21, 2016 9:19 PM  

Didn't love it, didn't hate it. I would have preferred the assertion of neutrality and condemnation of entangling foreign alliances, but I knew I wasn't going to get that. At least it wasn't showing them his throat and promising to be their attack dog.

Incidentally, I consider stormfronters too moderate. If I can stomach this I expect most other nationalists can as well. It was about as good as we could ever have expected.

Blogger Curtis March 21, 2016 9:25 PM  

Nationalist:

America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

- John Q. Adams

Blogger Curtis March 21, 2016 9:29 PM  

Maybe someone can explain to Trump that the USgov spent 5 Billion USD to destabilize Ukraine, whose main purpose was to kick Russia's Black Sea Fleet out of Crimea.

Blogger Curtis March 21, 2016 9:36 PM  

Crimea <-------> Tartus (Syria).

Bold move, but I am surprise that the State Dept/NATO thought Putin was stupid/weak enough to let them pull it off.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 21, 2016 9:40 PM  

I could not care less about what Trump says. I just like what he does. Do I hope for a wall? Yep. Do I see a wall? Nope. Not yet. Do I hope for a candidate who pisses everyone off, kicks the GOP and Donkeys in the nuts, and whips them all for turnout and votes. Yep. Do I see that?

Yep.

Anonymous Hoss March 21, 2016 9:43 PM  

Way off-base, Donald. Don't piss away money rebuilding anything in the inner-city, might as well be pissing in the wind; spend the money in the suburbs (or anywhere else, really)where you actually get a return on your investment.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice March 21, 2016 9:43 PM  

@106. pyrrhus March 21, 2016 8:10 PM

Trump is the only private citizen, with no experience in government, EVER to run for President and be a strong contender.

Source?

I've been curious over the past several months about when we made the switch to presuming that non-politicians are automatically incompetent. Ross Perot was a bit like a small yappy dog, but I certainly didn't think that he stupid because he wasn't in politics (actually, that was probably a sign of his intelligence!).

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 21, 2016 9:43 PM  

"Not as bad as the Cruz foreign policy team, but still bad."
I'ts a damn big improvement than what we have now. And these guys jobs are not set in stone. You know Der Trump has not been elected yet ,Josh.
I take everything is going well for you and yours, Pops. My best to ya,lad.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 9:48 PM  

I take everything is going well for you and yours, Pops. My best to ya,lad.

Thank you sir.

It's been an absolute blur the last two weeks. Mom and baby are doing great. Thank God for coffee.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir March 21, 2016 9:51 PM  

"Israel-first, minority pandering..."

If-and that's still an IF-he wants to rid us of the vermin who have done this to us, then he has to work with what he's got. And what he's got is a situation in which the vermin, behind the curtain where the ropes and pulleys are hidden, are the ones in control. He has to know this. So, he has to pull a Judith and Holofernes. We'll see if he does (if he's elected, that is).

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2016 9:53 PM  

Trump going where went but wetted his [Rand's] pants.
If Trump would see the light in the Saudi-Iranian conflict I could really go for Trump.
Trump sounds good re. NATO but I think that it is a rather safe play.

Anonymous Hoss March 21, 2016 9:55 PM  

"If he throws in shutting down the UN, i'll sign up to be a Trump VFM." (were-puppy)

If he throws in shutting down the UN, I'll get a Trump 2016 tattoo.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 9:56 PM  

If-and that's still an IF-he wants to rid us of the vermin who have done this to us, then he has to work with what he's got. And what he's got is a situation in which the vermin, behind the curtain where the ropes and pulleys are hidden, are the ones in control. He has to know this. So, he has to pull a Judith and Holofernes. We'll see if he does (if he's elected, that is).

SUPER DOUBLE SECRET PLAN GOYS, I MEAN GUYS!

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 21, 2016 9:57 PM  

"I've been curious over the past several months about when we made the switch to presuming that non-politicians are automatically incompetent."
Funny how that works, ain't it ? The pundits are poopin' they diapies over this, Cucks are in WFO, Libs going ape and the Marxists are showing the ass because.
The Forgotten Man, he smiles.

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2016 10:03 PM  

Less than 19 minutes in and Kasich is not a bad public speaker. It's hard to do what he's doing with the echoing (pun not intended).

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2016 10:05 PM  

You pretty much have to set a script to run in your brain.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 21, 2016 10:07 PM  

"If he throws in shutting down the UN,"
That's on the punch list, you betcha.
No need to get inked, lest you want it.

Anonymous cincinnatus March 21, 2016 10:09 PM  

As long as he doesn`t `do the wailing wall` bit, it`ll be fine.

@78 John Steed
I'm with you on that one. There are no pics of Trump at the Wailing Wall... and may there never be. It's idolatry.

@113 Jourdan
Did you actually read the transcript? He was pointing out what Iran was doing, and stated he intended to get them to deal properly with Israel. There was absolutely nothing about bombing them or going to war against them, or even sending the military over there.

Again, given that any serious American presidential candidate has to deal with relations with Israel, I think he did about as well as anybody in that position could speaking to AIPAC.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 21, 2016 10:11 PM  

" Thank God for coffee."
YUP.

Blogger Lazarus March 21, 2016 10:16 PM  

John Steed wrote:@73 As long as he doesn`t `do the wailing wall` bit, it`ll be fine.

Some important factoidals....
Here are a few facts about the Western Wall:

The Western Wall is not holy and it is not a remnant of our Holy Temple. The Western Wall is part of the expansion project of the Temple Mount undertaken by Herod. The famous saying of our Sages, “The Shechinah (G-d’s Presence) has never left the West wall” refers to the western wall of the sanctuary of the Temple, itself – certainly not to the retaining wall of the Temple Mount. There is no such thing as “Jewish law of the Western Wall” because according to Jewish law, the sanctity of the Western Wall is no different than the sanctity of the Jerusalem Convention Center. The truly sacred place, according to Jewish law, is above the Western Wall, on the Temple Mount, which we abandoned to the Moslems.

The Western Wall is a sentimental place for Jews. Over the past hundreds of years (before that, Jews prayed in different places) it has absorbed the prayers and longing of Jews from all over the world. As such, it is certainly precious to our Nation. Historic value, personal and national sentiment – yes. Not sanctity and not Jewish law.

The Western Wall is not a synagogue. It is a national heritage site. Thus, “Jewish law rulings” pertaining to the Wall have nothing to do with law, but rather, with hegemony. Rabbinic Judaism, which represents the absolute majority of Jews and their natural lease on the customs pertaining to the site throughout the years – is doing all in its power to preserve its status (this is quite understandable). But it has no connection to Jewish law.
The place where Jewish law is trampled upon on a daily basis is just a few steps from the Western Wall; at the truly sacred site – the Temple Mount. Approximately half the commandments in the Torah can be fulfilled only there, on the Mount. Some of those commandments can be performed even if the Holy Temple is not built. Tragically, the Temple Mount has become a place for Arab soccer games, picnics, incitement and ISIS.


Moshe Feiglin

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2016 10:22 PM  

... going where Rand went ...

Anonymous BGKB March 21, 2016 10:23 PM  

Phares has been convinced for years that U.S, foreign policy has been dictated by Islamists...Sounds to me like he knows about the Bush ties to the Saudis.

Did you forget HilLIARy took $40million from nations that execute gays while secretary? I guess its not a monomania.

Josh who was involved with right-wing Christian militia groups during the Lebanese civil war,” ...“Throughout his career as a pundit, he has warned that some Muslims are plotting a secret takeover of American institutions with the end goal of imposing Sharia.”

Sounds like reality based advisors with the only problem if he thinks moslems plans are a secret, I mean they consider being on welfare to be jizya.

Overton window ... he's pushed the edge of the envelope farther and faster than anyone since Rosa Parks

Are you counting from when the ((((reporters))) tried to do the staged hoax with a younger black woman and no one cared?

The March of Dimes is still with us. TB made a comeback thanks to open borders Bath House Barry would let it in if he could. Even if you had 3 doses in the past you might need a booster now. For those old enough to have had the smallpox vaccine the NIH says there good chance it wore off "The expected median duration of protection from disease ranged from 11.7 to 28.4 years after primary vaccination, and the qualitative pattern of duration could be described using Gompertz's Law."

Sodom-on-Potomac as the Banana Empire. I cant even find a gay there that doesn't do drugs.

now the Stormfronters will disavow him....headlines like: "David Duke Disavows Trump, Support Drops 80%!"

Farrakhan endorsed Trump the Week before Duke. I have seen one of Duke's videos, he thinks gays are victims of jew mind control. He would probably be a better neighbor than any moslem you could find.

Here's another new domestic enemy, The TrAnti-Trump

Considering TRUMPS opposition I thought an ugly woman/tranny attacking a horse would be more like a donkey show.

Trump always gets the right enemies, now the Stormfronters will disavow him.

Like Satanists for Sanders, no better choice for the Stormfronters & Louis Farrakhan's black panthers than Trump.

Anonymous BGKB March 21, 2016 10:46 PM  

Sorry I was not clear, the March of Dimes started with Polio which like TB still exists in the turd world. Even if you got 3 polio doses they might have worn off requiring a booster, and I used the example of smallpox vaccine that was stopped in the early 70s that had "The expected median duration of protection from disease ranged from 11.7 to 28.4 years after primary vaccination" to highlight vaccine protection times. If you went to the Turd world you should get a booster, but the turd world is coming to US.

Blogger Student in Blue March 21, 2016 10:49 PM  

Honestly that AIPAC speech will probably have won Trump a ton of Eskimo supporters. He showed quite a bit of chutzpah in his delivery.

The rest of his supporters who aren't heavily into Israel-hugging probably aren't going to disavow him for it because he's still the best option so far in their mind.

So far it seems like a win-win for Trump, and it's not like he's majorly changed a position by doing so -- pretty sure he was saying he "loved Israel" back in summer 2015, if not fall 2015.

Blogger Lazarus March 21, 2016 10:54 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:Honestly that AIPAC speech will probably have won Trump a ton of Eskimo supporters. He showed quite a bit of chutzpah in his delivery.

Jews are genetically incapable of voting Republican.

The story has it that during the George H.W. Bush administration, James Baker proposes to his boss an idea that would go against Israeli interests. “The Jews aren’t going to like it,” President Bush says. Mr. Baker replies: “They don’t vote for us anyway—screw ’em!” Fast forward 15 years, when Rahm Emanuel proposes a different idea to his boss that would also go against Israeli interests. “The Jews aren’t going to like it,” President Obama says. Mr. Emanuel replies: “They vote for us anyway—screw ’em!”

Such, one might say, are the advantages of bloc voting for ethnic groups. Just as Democratic politicians assume the support of black voters, the Jews have been in the pocket of the Democratic Party at least as far back as Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and though there are few Jews alive today who were old enough to have voted for FDR, they, the Jews, are still in that pocket. This despite the fact that we now know that FDR was not such a grand friend to the Jews, for he did nothing to stop or even slow the Nazi genocide of Jews during World War II, and instead, when told by Rabbi Stephen Wise of the death camps, counseled silence on the subject.

Blogger Josh March 21, 2016 10:57 PM  

Mike (((Cernovich)))

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2016 10:59 PM  

"Because when Israel is safer, America is stronger."

That doesn't even make sense. Someone was overpaid.

Anonymous Bill #79 March 21, 2016 11:03 PM  

"Trump Says Removing Qaddafi Was Mistake, But Pushed For Libya Intervention In 2011" video:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-says-removing-gaddafi-was-mistake-but-pushed-for-libya#.abY5yzvkx

If Trump is the isolationist that he says he is, why did he suggest removing Gaddafi for humanitarian reasons?




Blogger Student in Blue March 21, 2016 11:03 PM  

Jews are genetically incapable of voting Republican.

Even if they don't vote for him, just getting out of his way will be quite beneficial.

Anonymous BGKB March 21, 2016 11:04 PM  

Jews are genetically incapable of voting Republican.

Ben Shapiro assured me that only the bacon eating c#ck sucking godless jews vote leftist. All the rest vote right.

Blogger praetorian March 21, 2016 11:08 PM  

If Trump is the isolationist that he says he is, why did he suggest removing Gaddafi for humanitarian reasons?

A man who can advocate for something, see it fail, and then cease advocating for it?

James, bring the fainting couch! Quickly!

Blogger SciVo March 21, 2016 11:09 PM  

Josh wrote:Mike (((Cernovich)))

Everything is problematic, and we don't care.

Anonymous Andrew E. March 21, 2016 11:12 PM  

If Trump is the isolationist that he says he is, why did he suggest removing Gaddafi for humanitarian reasons?

Trump had Rwanda on the mind, not Arab Spring. Go in, stop the killing, leave. No nation building. No toppling dictators. Simple pragmatic humanitarianism. Not great, but far from Wilsonianism. (And he couldn't have knows that it was US State Dept. that created the chaos through back channels)

Blogger Jourdan March 21, 2016 11:18 PM  

@144 - Yeah, I read the transcript and it was a joke. Since you're obviously a true believer, let me start with a simple illustration.

-- In order to make a lasting peace, you need a deal, and believe me, I know all about making deals, because I wrote the art of the deal and I'm all about deals,and the two parties need to come to a deal and not have one imposed from the outside.

-- I will move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem and recognize it as Israel's capital.

You see a problem inherent in those two statements there, smart guy?

Or do I need to further spell it out for you?

Do I really need to go into detail about what sort of promises he made this evening about stopping Iran's involvement in no less than 25 different nations?

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 21, 2016 11:34 PM  

Overall, diplomatic Trump, still listening, minus these young neocons yapping guilt tripping everyone about everything.

I still liked Chatuea Heartsites Pump and Trump post, cute and serious for possible but fading future.

Perhaps the UN building in NYC can close too, what do the desk jockeys do there?

Moron critics, Drudge posted some stories about Anti Trump Anti AIPAC'ers with Nazi signs, what a bunch of mixed up oddballs, can't they go protest wallstreet or promote a movement of Jewish Lives Matter Most? Ah, I forgot, paid trouble makers or the protesters dont value German and Jewish lives.

That is how absurd and nonsensicla these threats of riots and protests are. We've seen protests before no matter the person, big deal, let us listen with an available mind to a viable candi' in Donald Trump and gaze upon his beautiful wife.

Restore: Beauty, honor, an economic future for the West, sanity, maybe some border/immigration matters, 2016.

I don't know, attempting to remain positive, have a ill sense about current conditions. Econ, banking and major econ indicators, cooked stats, real stats - I'm bereft but always listening per God's Grace.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. March 21, 2016 11:39 PM  

144, 160, just continue to observe, remain objective its very early in the election season. Let the week unfold as Trump will dominate media coverage as Megyn Kelly's and the rest of the pressygoofs are just stupidly entertaining.

Anonymous johnc March 21, 2016 11:46 PM  

Trump is all over the map. Who knows what the guy really believes or how he would govern, but hey he sounds kinda funny with his speeches and it's not like the rest of them are that good.

Blogger Nick S March 22, 2016 12:10 AM  

Trump is affable, enthusiastic and a very good pitch man. He reels me in while I'm listening to him. He's like that time-share salesman. I'm thinkin', yeah I need a time-share. Where do I sign? Then, when I take a minute to think about it, I'm like wait..what? Nice try, Donald.

Blogger praetorian March 22, 2016 12:27 AM  

Tell me more, fellow alternative right wing conservative, about how you kind of like Donald Trump but then you, like, think about it and are all like, hey, wait a minute, no.

As a fellow alternative right wing conservative, I find your alternative right wing conservative opinions on the matter compelling, and I wish to conform mine with yours, fellow alternative right wing conservative.

Anonymous Discard March 22, 2016 12:31 AM  

155. Student in Blue: If this speech gets Sheldon Adelson out of the way it's worth it. As Henri IV of France said, "Paris is worth a Mass".

Blogger exfarmkid March 22, 2016 12:44 AM  

Just watched the Trump AIPIC speech.

Is the son of a bitch running to be the President of these United States or Israel?

Blogger Hunsdon March 22, 2016 12:54 AM  

@165.

Word to the streets.

Blogger Latigo3 March 22, 2016 1:06 AM  

I believe we have all been sold a bill of goods in this country about what we ought to believe. We have been told what to believe by various generations of opinion makers and pundits. No one thinks for themselves anymore. Trump is this. Trump is that. I just like the fact that he has all of the elites and bosses nervous. He is playing it by his rules.
In the end, when we hear all the chattering and gnashing of teeth, we ought to remember what our founders declared; "We recognize no Sovereign but God and no King but Jesus".

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 22, 2016 1:13 AM  

Which one of the political bunch has not been a pitchman ?
Trump does it better, and they hold that agin' him ?

Anonymous Bobby Farr March 22, 2016 1:36 AM  

If there was any doubt Cruz would bring more of the same - neocon wars, open borders and looting by the elites - his consideration of Rubio for VP should put it to rest. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/exclusive-marco-rubio-rejected-unity-ticket-with-ted-cruz-221066

Blogger Student in Blue March 22, 2016 1:52 AM  

@Jourdan
You see a problem inherent in those two statements there, smart guy?

Yeah, Trump's not perfect by any means, and while he declares noninterventionist foreign policy, those almost guarantee a conflict with Iran in the future.

Blogger pyrrhus March 22, 2016 1:55 AM  

Look, Trump has to do some pandering to you-know-who....but Trump has also taken on PC frontally and with brutal disdain--that is a huge move forward. He also said,haha, that he would be neutral between Israel and the Palestinians...and he understands that these trade deals are completely f*cked, and have been for 30 years.

Blogger Student in Blue March 22, 2016 1:56 AM  

Anyway we disagree about Trump, we can still enjoy things like this.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2016 March 22, 2016 2:39 AM  

read the speech,

He only said one thing that mattered. He'd move the US embassy to Jerusalem, eternal capital of the Jewish people..

that's unambiguous..

The word "embassy" means there is daylight between the US and Israel. Accepting Jerusalem say's "f.... u" to the UN.

All the rest is minor detail. The was a real estate man talking.

Blogger SciVo March 22, 2016 3:18 AM  

Seriously? "Wow. It is really nice to see you here today." That's what Paul Ryan went with. I know Donald Trump goes for small words that work, but damn.

Blogger SciVo March 22, 2016 3:25 AM  

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Blogger SciVo March 22, 2016 3:27 AM  

"It is action and deeds that builds trust." And I'll bet you Voodoo doughnuts to dollars that Paul Ryan will criticize Donald Trump's grammar within 24 hours of saying that.

Anonymous George of the Jungle March 22, 2016 3:35 AM  

Trump is no Hitler, but maybe the time is right in this failed republic for a Caesar.

Blogger SciVo March 22, 2016 3:37 AM  

I just noticed that Paul Ryan shaved his face. I find that interesting. He's doing a very good job of speaking, but his voice isn't very deep -- possibly baritone, but raised by stress -- and the shave makes him look less masculine. Why?

Anonymous Bobby Farr March 22, 2016 3:50 AM  

@180 Maybe he is trying to appear as emasculated as possible so he can be the compromise cuck nominated at the Republican convention.

Blogger SciVo March 22, 2016 3:55 AM  

Holy shit. Trump is being amazing. People who think he's stupid are stupid. He's explaining how to make deals.

Blogger SciVo March 22, 2016 4:11 AM  

Holy shit. He just made all the Jews love him by promising to veto any UN proclamation against Israel. He didn't even have to say that he would do anything for them. No, just don't let anyone fuck them over (and there's a huge number of countries that hate them).

Blogger SciVo March 22, 2016 4:20 AM  

Total silverback. I don't even like him and I would follow him anyway.

Anonymous Bukulu March 22, 2016 8:56 AM  

"I'm sure the US pretty much IS NATO as far as actual boots on ground and cash spent is concerned."

Hey, it's right there in the name: Needs Americand To Operate.

Blogger James Dixon March 22, 2016 10:15 AM  

> Thank God for coffee.

We tried to tell you, Josh. :)

Blogger Austin Ballast March 22, 2016 11:11 AM  

I have not heard the AIPAC speech, but many of you are sounding like anything short of committing to nuke Israel off the map is insufficient for Trump.

I am a strong supporter of Israel as I believe it is part of God's people and a result of old prophecy. I don't think the US should be commanded by Israel, but they should definitely work with Israel at least as much as they work with any other party in the region.

Stopping pushing Israel to give up their territory, make deals with those who won't stand up to their part, etc. That would help and support Israel more than enough and would be a great non-interventionist approach.

What did you all expect/demand?

Anonymous Quartermaster March 22, 2016 11:37 AM  

@5
There will never be a Codominium. Russia is on its last legs and what we are seeing in Syria and Ukraine are merely the first of the death throes. To a lot of people, Putin looks strong. He's actually an idiot leading Russia down a dead end road that swallowed many an empire.

@16
Russia has empowered some of the worst of the radical Islamic states. It's been said that one of the reasons Russia pulled out of Syria is the domination of Iran in Syria. Putin has been quite stupid in the Levant. Nearly as stupid as Obama and Bush.

@59
There was no “coup” in Ukraine. Yanukovich left the country and was removed in accordance with the Ukrainian constitution after he abandoned his office. Maidan was home grown. The Orange Revolution, OTOH, was the USA's creature.

@129
The 5 billion thing has been repeatedly discredited. The Ukranians wanted the Russians out of Crimea, but they still signed a new lease that would have taken them past 2040. It was after that Putin decided to invade.

If you want to find the people destabilizing Ukraine, you need to look at Moscow. No one else has any interest in doing so.

@133
Perot was a strong contender until he pulled out contending Daddy Bush was after him.

@78 @144
What is called the “Wailing Wall” isn't at the true site of the Temple any way. Archeologists have located the true Temple site and it's several hundred feet south of what has been traditionally called the Temple Mount. The actual site is in the City of David National Park. The traditional Temple mount is the remnant of Fort Antonia.

@154
I doubt Trump was very familiar with the Libya situation. Like much of the Arab world, Libya had an autocrat stabilizing the country. Anyone paying attention would have realized that removing the strongman running things would destabilize the place. I don't think Trump was paying much attention to Libya.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 22, 2016 12:00 PM  

@96 Stg58/Animal Mother
Muslims have a word for conquest by picking their fucking noses.
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Those GD Cavemen! haven't they learned the hands free way yet that was displayed in exquisite perfection by Teddy?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 22, 2016 12:10 PM  

@119 praetorian

exactly can Trump do to get a moderately approving "hmmpf" from y'all?
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Show up to his inauguration in The General Lee

Blogger Were-Puppy March 22, 2016 12:12 PM  

@124 Josh
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/
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The stupid WaPo always wants me to pay to view those articles, which I'm not going to do

Blogger Were-Puppy March 22, 2016 12:27 PM  

@164 Nick S
Trump is affable, enthusiastic and a very good pitch man. He reels me in while I'm listening to him. He's like that time-share salesman. I'm thinkin', yeah I need a time-share. Where do I sign? Then, when I take a minute to think about it, I'm like wait..what? Nice try, Donald.
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That's a good way of putting it :P

Blogger Were-Puppy March 22, 2016 12:29 PM  

@167 exfarmkid

Is the son of a bitch running to be the President of these United States or Israel?
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I ask that about every one of them these days. Must have had blinders about this in the past, but it seems very in our face this contest.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 22, 2016 12:31 PM  

@171 Bobby Farr
If there was any doubt Cruz would bring more of the same - neocon wars, open borders and looting by the elites - his consideration of Rubio for VP should put it to rest.
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What brain dead adviser thought a double Cuban Anchor Baby ticket is a winner?

Blogger Nick S March 22, 2016 12:32 PM  

@170

It wasn't intended as a slur, jOHN. I enjoy the company of many good bullshitters. I don't have to become mesmerized and ignore the fact that it's bullshit in order to appreciate it.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 22, 2016 12:33 PM  

@180 SciVo
I just noticed that Paul Ryan shaved his face.
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Because he looks like a hobo with that infidel beard.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 22, 2016 12:37 PM  

@188 Quartermaster
@133
Perot was a strong contender until he pulled out contending Daddy Bush was after him.
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From what I recall, Perot plummeted right after he came out in support of gay rights.

Anonymous BGKB March 22, 2016 12:44 PM  

If Trump is the isolationist that he says he is, why did he suggest removing Gaddafi for humanitarian reasons?

I have dated more than my fair share of Hispanics, and now I want policies that would make it less likely to always be able to have an 18yo Hispanic boyfriend if I lived in TX? The fact I don't live in TX now should support it being an informed decision.

Trump had Rwanda on the mind, not Arab Spring. Go in, stop the killing, leave. No nation building. No toppling dictators

He sure wouldn't have destroyed the worlds largest water treatment and distribution network on the first day. It would make people think of a (((stereotype))).

Show up to his inauguration in The General Lee

You know they replaced the rebel flag on it for the PC Dukes Of Hazzard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-OvBAlSrc

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