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Friday, March 11, 2016

Yeah, it pretty much is

Florio trolls the NFL world in search of clicks:
No, this isn’t click bait or trolling or whatever other term the cool kids have come up with. It’s a legitimate question given the current state of the Denver roster.

Should they bring back Tim Tebow?

Manning finished the year averaging 6.8 yards per pass and throwing nine touchdown passes against 17 interceptions, with a passer rating of 67.9. In 2011, Tebow averaged 6.4 yards per pass, threw 12 touchdown passes against six interceptions, and had a passer rating of 72.9. He also added 660 rushing yards and six touchdowns; that’s 666 more rushing yards that Manning (minus-6) had this year.
No, it's not a legitimate question. There is no way that is happening. Tebow did nothing with the three other opportunities afforded to him post-Denver, and hasn't played in two years. I refuse to even dignify the absurdity with a link.

Elway got rid of Tebow because Tebow's inability to throw the ball caused the Hall of Fame rifleman genuine psychological pain every time he watched his offense take the field. And while I was genuinely pleased to see Tebow's unexpected success, particularly in the games against the Jets and Steelers, I can't blame Elway at all.

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77 Comments:

Blogger Tank March 11, 2016 8:39 AM  

Every general manager on every NFL team is wrong. Bring back Tebow.

LOL.

There is a reason no team has signed him.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 11, 2016 8:44 AM  

Oz left in part because Kubiak's breast/coast offense requires a defenseless qb with no line to tuck the ball against his chest and roll out into regular tackles three yards downfield if the 5 yard pass isn't open.

The RB does something similar without the pass. This keeps the clock running and field position in favor.

You just have to be willing to let your qb and rb get smashed a lot.

So they should get three durable cheaps to suit kubiak: Tebow, Ponder and Weeden.

Oz left because he wants to last longer than a season or two.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 11, 2016 8:55 AM  

Tebow? Why not Ryan Leaf? He's just as relevant.

Though I do understand Elway taking a strong look at Kaepernick.

Blogger Fred March 11, 2016 8:56 AM  

Humbug...Tebows sole offense is his public profession of faith in Christ. It was clear that his throwing shortcomings aside, was as AT LEAST good as 1/2 the loser quarterbacks in the NFL and could run the ball as well. I was glad to see Chip Kelly get punished by his release for cutting Tebow from Training camp last season.

Blogger VD March 11, 2016 9:01 AM  

Humbug...Tebows sole offense is his public profession of faith in Christ.

Do you even watch football? You can't set aside his throwing shortcomings, HE PLAYS QUARTERBACK!

I like Tebow. I wanted him to succeed. And I burst out laughing after watching his first attempts to throw the ball in a real NFL game and knew he could never, ever succeed as an NFL quarterback.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 11, 2016 9:03 AM  

FredMarch 11, 2016 8:56 AM
...I was glad to see Chip Kelly get punished by his release for cutting Tebow from Training camp last season.


Riiiiiiight. I happen to know that the Almighty is a Cowboys fan. If He wanted to punish the Eagles and make them truly suffer (and really, who doesn't?), there would have been divine intervention in the form of a 10-year contract EXTENSION for Chip.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 11, 2016 9:05 AM  

WITH Tebow as the permanent starter, 'cause God has a sense of humor.

Anonymous The OASF March 11, 2016 9:31 AM  

I always thought that the Tebo:316ing (literally, as that was Tebo's exact numbers for the game) of that world championship caliber Steeles team, which relegated it to the dustbin of history, was God's way of punishing the Rooneys for so strongly supporting that piece of shit Obama.

Oh well, at least we got years worth of Ike Taylor burn unit jokes out of it. I used to have the blokes at the local steelers bar almost crying with those.

Blogger Billy March 11, 2016 9:33 AM  

Do you even watch football? You can't set aside his throwing shortcomings, HE PLAYS QUARTERBACK!". There are QB's in the league that make Tebow look like Brady( a good example is Geno Smith). I hear what you're saying that Tebows lacks the mechanics of throwing, but the simple fucking fact why he's not in the NFL is because he wears his christianity on his sleeve. The NFL's owners are majority Jewish, not to mention the lying press. Who hate Christ.

Blogger Patrikbc March 11, 2016 9:35 AM  

I don't know, he still did better than the Eagles and 49ers current starters, according to this source.
Tim Tebow scored 16 TDS with 5 Ints in his first 271 attempts, 7 rushing scores in his first 8 games.

Bradford has scored 9 TDs with 10 Ints in 271 attempts

Kaepernick has scored 6 TDs with 5 Ints in 243 attempts, 1 rushing score.

Foles has scored 7 TDs with 5 Ints in 187 attempts, 1 rushing score.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 11, 2016 9:38 AM  

Billy, your Christian Persecution Syndrome is completely unfounded in this case. Tebow is a QB that can't throw the ball!

The NFL *loved* Kurt Warner.

Case closed.

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Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 9:40 AM  

> ( a good example is Geno Smith)

Not hardly. Geno can throw the ball fine. He just can't figure out who to throw it to. It's his decision making that's his problem, not his throwing fundamentals.

Blogger VD March 11, 2016 9:43 AM  

I hear what you're saying that Tebows lacks the mechanics of throwing, but the simple fucking fact why he's not in the NFL is because he wears his christianity on his sleeve.

No, it's not. He had his chances. He blew them. And then he declined to go and play in Canada, which is what he should have done if he wanted another shot at the NFL.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 9:44 AM  

And even with his poor decision making, the Jets improved with Geno as the starter over what they were with Mark Sanchez, who was also a poor decision maker.

Blogger YIH March 11, 2016 9:47 AM  

When I mentioned Tebow in the Osweiler leaves Denver thread it was plainly tongue-in-cheek. Several teams gave him a legit shot and all of them wound up letting him go.
He's refused to go to either the CFL or Arena Football. He wants to be an NFL starting QB and he just plain doesn't have the chops for it.
From what I've seen teams don't think he's even up to becoming a decent backup.
This ''They're afraid of his faith'' BS is just that, BS. They generally liked his professions of faith and 'Tebowing' and considering the rouges galley that have worn NFL unis (such as Lawrence Taylor) it wasn't his faith. Look how they tried to make ''the first gay NFL player'' work - it didn't either, 'cause he just wasn't good enough to rate even staying on a practice squad.

Anonymous VFM 8472 March 11, 2016 9:54 AM  

So you're saying there's a chance!

Blogger YIH March 11, 2016 9:58 AM  

VFM 8472:
So you're saying there's a chance!
There's a chance Bernie Sanders could be our next Prez, there's a chance I could win Powerball, there's a chance...

Blogger Gavin Veil March 11, 2016 10:03 AM  

Tim Tebow never completed 60% of his passes in the preseason and with the Patriots finished 13-36 as the 3rd string QB. That's not bad, that's unbelievably atrocious given he was mostly playing guys who would barely see an NFL snap. He can't throw the football his mechanics and footwork are just plain bad, this has nothing to do with his faith and everything to do with his talent and ability which are marginal at best.

Anonymous Dinner for Cucks March 11, 2016 10:13 AM  

Tebow could be in the NFL right now if he'd been willing to convert to another position - tight end, perhaps. He wont, so he isn't.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 10:14 AM  

c'mon Vox... you know the only reason Tebow isn't dominating in the NFL is because the NFL hates white christians.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau March 11, 2016 10:15 AM  

He'd be another Doug Flutie or Kent Austin if he went to the CFL. They'd love him up there.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 10:15 AM  

"Tebow could be in the NFL right now if he'd been willing to convert to another position "

everyone says TE... but I think he'd be a badass DE or LB.

Anonymous crushlimbraw March 11, 2016 10:15 AM  

"Tebow did nothing with the three other opportunities afforded to him post-Denver" - uhhuh - after Elway couldn't get rid of him fast enough (Tebow blew Denver's chance for Andrew Luck) - Wrecks Ryan used him for a tackling dummy; daPats were a total mismatch - he isn't Brady; Chip Kelly put all his eggs in his own genius and found it wanting - how do you run a read option when you're only option is pass or hand off?
My point - Tebow was NEVER given a chance to fail - playing; it was all presumption by timid coaches who didn't want the controversy; Cam made it to the SB in his 5th year - I wouldn't bet against him being back.
http://www.tebowsfirst16.com/rankings.html - Opportunities? Don't make me laugh!

Blogger Guitar Man March 11, 2016 10:16 AM  

Tebow can probably play a decent full back. He is no NFL quarterback.

Anonymous bgkb March 11, 2016 10:18 AM  

If he was a black wife beater with a diamond studded gold plated stripper pole some team would field him.

There's a chance Bernie Sanders could be our next Prez,

If he steals control of the democrat voter fraud machine from Clinton he has a chance. Hearing Bernie supporters talk about democrat voter fraud is the 2nd best thing of the campaign

Blogger ZhukovG March 11, 2016 10:20 AM  

I cannot count the times I have listened to a 'Brother/Sister in Christ', complain that they were getting the dirty end of the stick because of their faith, when the fact of the matter was that they were just being a jerk.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 11, 2016 10:24 AM  

Nate's right: Tebow would be a terrifying LB. But he has Disney Dreams. Dreams, I might add, that made him a delight in college.

Still, I think he'd be an affordable disposable option. As in triple option. Kubiak doesn't want to admit that his scheme is successful at the health expense of a multimillion dollar face position.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 10:30 AM  

"Opportunities? Don't make me laugh!"

Proving once again... MPAI.

Blogger Ragin' Dave March 11, 2016 10:30 AM  

1 - Tebow can make any throw in the game. He just can't do it consistently. Therein lies the rub.

2 - He was horrible at reading defenses; kind of like the anti-Payton.

3 - He couldn't absorb the playbook well enough to give the OC a full spread of options.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of things he did well, and I think he's still a better QB than a bunch of "starters" in the NFL. But he's not the second coming of Steve Young. He's not even the second coming of Randall Cunningham. He's a man with extreme physical gifts that could not live up to his first-round draft pick and the high expectations loaded on to him.

I don't think his refusal to go up to the CFL makes him look bad; he was able to transition directly into a TV gig. In terms of looking out for your future, a well-paying gig in the hand beats the possibility of a career years down the road.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 10:34 AM  

tebow always sold himself as this All-American Boy who gosh darnit... just loved football.

But the fact is that narrative is bullshit. It always was bullshit. If he loved football so much, he would still be playing it. he wouldn't be a quarterback.. but he would still be playing the game.

The fact that he refused to switch positions is proof that he is not the leader, or even the team player he presented himself as.

He's a selfish little prima donna who took his ball and went home.

Blogger Patrikbc March 11, 2016 10:36 AM  

He does fit the TE position pretty well though too

Anonymous Jim Scrummy March 11, 2016 10:38 AM  

"Should they bring back Tim Tebow?" No. Next question.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 11, 2016 10:39 AM  

The fact that Tebow did succeed in the NFL is an indictment of the poor qb fundamentals allowed now in the bloated league and offensively permissive rules, not an endorsement of Tebow as qb.

Still he was fun while it lasted.

Anonymous Johnny March 11, 2016 10:40 AM  

As a sports commentator said about our local Titan's team: "If Jack the Ripper had NFL talent, the Titans would find a way to put him in uniform."

This was when they were still dealing with Adam "Pacman" Jones issues.

NFL owners care about dollars. For all the thugs, criminals, and wife beaters they field, they'd have not problem with Tebow to balance out the character flaws. He just didn't have the talent and wasn't willing to be flexible by changing positions. That's his choice.

Kurt Warner proves it for me. Solid Christian and two Super Bowl appearances. The talent was there so no problem.

Blogger YIH March 11, 2016 10:40 AM  

Dinner for Cucks:
Tebow could be in the NFL right now if he'd been willing to convert to another position -
He's be a great mascot!
All he'd have to do is dress like a furry and dance on the sideline.

Anonymous Dave March 11, 2016 10:43 AM  

Vox, ever consider starting a NFL blog? In your spare time of course. A number of good contributors already exist in the Ilk. Think of the debate potential such as Is Tim Tebow a god? or Are the Dallas Cowboys really America's team? PFT would be showering you with offers to buy the site within months.

Anonymous WaterBoy March 11, 2016 10:45 AM  

A more pertinent question is, "Would they bring back Tim Tebow?"

And the answer is John Elway laughing hysterically.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 10:50 AM  

"If Jack the Ripper had NFL talent, the Titans would find a way to put him in uniform."

For the record.. I have no problem with this attitude. Murdering prostitutes is purely an off-the-field issue and should be kept off-the-field.

Its not the National Gossip League.

Blogger VD March 11, 2016 11:01 AM  

Vox, ever consider starting a NFL blog? In your spare time of course. A number of good contributors already exist in the Ilk.

We looked into it. The level of interest was considerably more theoretical than genuine. The fact is that the vast majority of people are simply not cut out for blogging regularly.

Blogger Billy March 11, 2016 11:03 AM  

I mean, his Eagkes jersey was in the top twenty without his feet touching the field during a regular season game last year. If anything he'd make a good backup for a spread offence. He brings in fans and brings in revenue. -But he polarizing, bullshit. Christian beliefs are polarizing? For who

Anonymous GreyS March 11, 2016 11:03 AM  

He really should have went to Canada if he wanted to play. Same with Vince Young.

And yes Florio is just trolling for clicks. He hates Tebow and mocks him whenever he can then occasionally turns "serious" about Tebow whenever he is trying to drum up some clicks.

(chuckle)-- Is this some sort of Cernovich-inspired "see what I did there?" post?

Blogger Jon M March 11, 2016 11:08 AM  

Comparing Tebow's best stats-line with other QB's worst yearly stats line is a fool's errand. Teams know Foles and Bradford can do better because thay have seen it and hope to replicate it. Teams know Tebow can't do better because he had every chance to do better and failed every time.

There are reasons to believe certain other QBs can do better; there is *no* reason to think Tebow can.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 11, 2016 11:13 AM  

In Billy's World 'O Persecution, there are 32 NFL teams that hate Jesus more than they love money and winning combined.

ROFL

Blogger Billy March 11, 2016 11:20 AM  

Y'aa are seriously underestimating the contemptrt these folks have, and are have forgotten the ridicule that was heaped upon him(not his football play). Remember that Queer Doogie Howser smearing john 3:16 on his face with a big fat fuck you to Christ and Tebow.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 11:30 AM  

"The fact is that the vast majority of people are simply not cut out for blogging regularly."

amen. I managed to do it consistently for years... but eventually life just takes over.

Blogger christopher.gage March 11, 2016 11:33 AM  

Totally agree with #4 Fred. The NFL haaaaates Tebow because he is unabashedly Christian, and because he is an "ugly" winner. He easily had a good enough pre-season to make a roster this year, what more did he need to do in game 4? Eagles and Kelly got what they deserved.

In hindsight Newton and Palmer cleaned this up a bit but... a screen shot from the 2015 NFL Draft coverage included the following stats:

Heisman Winning QBs in NFL: Regular Season Records as Starter:

Manziel 0-2
Griffin III 14-21
Newton 30-31-1 ***
Tebow 8-6 ***
Bradford 18-30-1
Palmer 70-73

*** Won Playoff Game

Obviously the commentary was something like, "Did I just see that Tebow is the only name on that list with a winning record? [Awkward laughter, change of subject.]"

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 11, 2016 11:35 AM  

Yes, Billy, the NFL clearly HATES Christian QBs.

Anonymous Josh March 11, 2016 11:49 AM  

The NFL's owners are majority Jewish

Please provide a list of all 32 NFL owners and identify which ones are Jewish.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 11:57 AM  

Let's see... VY has a winning record in the NFL...

Tim Tebow has a winning record in the NFL...

OMG... The NFL hates VY because he's a strong outspoken Christian!

Anonymous Athor Pel March 11, 2016 11:58 AM  

"30. Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 10:34 AM
...
The fact that he refused to switch positions is proof that he is not the leader, or even the team player he presented himself as.
..."


I didn't know this. Puts a whole other complexion on the situation. What respect I had for him based on the tiny bit I've seen in the media just evaporated.

Apparently he doesn't want to play football, he wants to be an NFL quarterback. Which really isn't the same thing.

It was mentioned above that his throwing fundamentals are bad which I find surprising. I don't watch NFL football. How do you get to the NFL without having your fundamental skills to at least an adequete level? It doesn't make sense to me. Why isn't he working on that skill to improve it? Can he not improve? What am I missing?

Anonymous WaterBoy March 11, 2016 11:58 AM  

Josh: "all 32 NFL owners"

Does that include all the stockholders of the Packers, too?

Aaaaaand it's official; Johnny Football can now take his place in the record books with the other major busts. Unless somebody wants to take on a serious rehab project....

Maybe Tim Tebow can go to SF if Cleveland gets Kaepernick?

Anonymous WaterBoy March 11, 2016 12:08 PM  

Athor Pel: " was mentioned above that his throwing fundamentals are bad which I find surprising. I don't watch NFL football. How do you get to the NFL without having your fundamental skills to at least an adequete level? It doesn't make sense to me. Why isn't he working on that skill to improve it? Can he not improve? What am I missing?"

You might find this video enlightening.

The fact that it takes Tebow 2 tenths of a second longer to get a throw off means that much more time for a defender to reach him or to get into better position to block his pass.

Now, he did work with various coaches on that throwing motion to reduce his release time, but in the end years of muscle memory would take over when the pressure overtook his conscious thought and he would revert to the old motion.

If there's someone to blame, it's probably his high school and college coaches, who didn't try to correct it. It was probably OK for their level, but doesn't work in the NFL.

Blogger Sean March 11, 2016 12:15 PM  

I agree with Nate. Its a waste his ego didn't allow him to take a position move. He had an amazing platform to promote his Christian values if he would have swallowed his pride.

It's a shame his failure in the NFL will taint his overall reputation. In my opinion he is the best college quarterback I've ever seen. Probably top 5 of any player all time. And I'm a Pac12 guy who thinks the SEC is overrated. I loved watching Tebow play.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 12:23 PM  

" And I'm a Pac12 guy who thinks the SEC is overrated. "

perhaps if your league decided to legalize defense and tackling your opinions would change.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 12:25 PM  

"How do you get to the NFL without having your fundamental skills to at least an adequete level?"

Becuase he played in Urban Meyer's high school offense which didn't require him to make NFL throws.

Blogger Sean March 11, 2016 12:32 PM  

Nate- You like the SEC but don't like soccer. I don't get it. Both are slow, boring, and very low scoring.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 11, 2016 12:35 PM  

Both are slow, boring, and very low scoring.

SEC- the Gamma males of college football

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 12:36 PM  

"Both are slow, boring, and very low scoring. "

bahahaha

Slow. Dude. SEC tackles are faster than Pac 12 line linebackers. SEC safeties are faster than PAC 12 WRs. and you don't even want to think about SEC WRs and CBs.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 12:39 PM  

and how about that slow boring championship game with Clemson huh? man... what a snooze fest that was...

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 12:41 PM  

"SEC- the Gamma males of college football"

gamma males have won 7 of the last 9 championships? I don't think you know what Gamma means.

Blogger Nate March 11, 2016 12:45 PM  

also... since we're talking about Tebow...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myNyMP9ddrg


never gets old.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 11, 2016 12:49 PM  

It was a joke, Nate.

Anonymous WaterBoy March 11, 2016 12:57 PM  

Is Peyton Manning GOAT?

Blogger RobertT March 11, 2016 12:58 PM  

Good read. Agreed. This is the NFL. Shit happens. Elway not panicking & making a mistake that will screw up the Broncos for years. Don't want to be wherever Malik went, or Cleveland. Go draft. Go cheap. And try to save the defense.

... Last time Miami took a running back from the Broncos, didn't work out so well. But D won't match the offer sheet. Wonder what they're going to do with all the cap room they suddenly have.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 11, 2016 12:59 PM  

Please provide a list of all 32 NFL owners and identify which ones are Jewish.

Bill Bidwillel
Arthur Blank*
Kim and Terry Pegulastein
Jerry Richardsonofsam
Virginia Halas McCaskey Berkowitz...

Yeah, its a real Sanhedrin out there...

*Atlanta Falcons - the most influential sports team ever.

Anonymous Eduardo the Magnificent March 11, 2016 1:58 PM  

Slow news day. Gotta keep the NFL in the spotlight 24/7/365, even if they have to dig up bones to do it. Keep cashing 'dem (ad) checks, Florio.

Blogger Guitar Man March 11, 2016 2:17 PM  

BRONCOS TRADED FOR MARK SANCHEZ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 11, 2016 2:25 PM  

Stop screwing around Guitar M--

What the...?

To do what??? Back up Tebow???

Good grief.

"Now that you have won the Super Bowl, Mr. Elway, what are you going to do?"

"I'm going to Dollar Tree!"

Anonymous Dave March 11, 2016 3:31 PM  

Broncos gave 2017 conditional draft pick for Sanchez and Eagles gain close to $5M in cap space. Now if they can sucker somebody into taking Sam "$76M guaranteed" Bradford

Anonymous WaterBoy March 11, 2016 4:06 PM  

Guitar Man: "BRONCOS TRADED FOR MARK SANCHEZ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No.

NO!

*sigh*

Anonymous Bob March 11, 2016 4:36 PM  

If Tebow were a negro, He'd be Michael Vick. Look at the stats. Tebow beat the Steelers. Vick beat the Packers. That was the difference.

Anonymous GreyS March 11, 2016 6:36 PM  

gamma males have won 7 of the last 9 championships? I don't think you know what Gamma means.

Heh-- All but one of those was gotten by talking, discussing, politicking and getting friends to like you, so yeah that's pretty darn gamma.

Blogger James Dixon March 11, 2016 6:36 PM  

> Vick beat the Packers.

Vick beat the Steelers too. Admittedly he was playing for them at the time.

Anonymous GreyS March 11, 2016 6:41 PM  

Sanchez is around the same level as Osweiler and will probably have a better year if they are both starters.

Anonymous Bob March 11, 2016 6:55 PM  

Upset play off road wins ... I thought I had an audience that follows the game.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 11, 2016 7:39 PM  

Damnit Bob, Vick's 40 was one of the fastest of all time, and a full half-second faster than Tebow's.

That's like saying a Chevy Citation is pretty much a Corvette if you just paint it red.

Blogger Lazarus March 11, 2016 9:58 PM  

Re: Sanchez.

Elway says not to get your knickers in a knot. It is just one stage in his brilliant plan.

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