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Friday, April 15, 2016

500 more votes

MidAmericaCon II reports more than 4,000 nominating votes for the 2016 Hugo Awards:
Over 4,000 nominating ballots were received for the 2016 Hugo Awards, nearly doubling the previous record of 2,122 ballots set last year by Sasquan, the 73rd Worldcon held in Spokane, WA.
I would assume that this bodes poorly for the Rabid Puppies, as it tends to indicate a stronger turnout by the No Awards than predicted by Chaos Horizon. His prediction assumed 3,620 nominating votes, about 500 short of what we will assume was 4,100 votes.

So, I have to conclude that expectations of a second-straight Puppy sweep are highly unlikely, although we will likely get a few nominations where there is an amount of crossover appeal. If the vote had come in around 3,000, I would have felt reasonably confident. Over 4,000 and I tend to doubt the 500-strong Rabid Puppy vote can compete effectively with what has become an increasingly uniform SF-SJW vote until EPH passes.

However, this still indicates a high probability of an entirely satisfactory result, as our primary goal was to break the Tor cabal's stranglehold on the awards, not to dominate them in turn.

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99 Comments:

Anonymous Faceless April 15, 2016 10:22 AM  

At least we know they will jam through their change and forever enshrine parties in their awards process.

Blogger IM2L844 April 15, 2016 10:43 AM  

The OP title should be : "You're Welcome"

Anonymous Nietzsche April 15, 2016 10:51 AM  

So in your attempt to disrupt the awards you've made them more popular and more relevant than ever.
This is exactly what happened to you when you got kicked out of SFWA.

Blogger VD April 15, 2016 10:54 AM  

So in your attempt to disrupt the awards you've made them more popular and more relevant than ever.

That was what I assumed would happen, although I thought the other side would openly embrace slates. I've never been opposed to the awards per se. It wasn't the only possible outcome, of course. EPH is likely to have some unexpected consequences.

Blogger Didact April 15, 2016 10:55 AM  

our primary goal was to break the Tor cabal's stranglehold on the awards, not to dominate them in turn

I'd prefer to just burn them down wholesale, then sow the land with anthrax and sprinkle some VX on top just for good measure. But that works too, I suppose.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 10:59 AM  

"So in your attempt to disrupt the awards you've made them more popular and more relevant than ever...."

What is it with SJW's and the concept of 'relevant'?

In what sense is stories about dinosaur water falling on Thai Were-seal sodomites in an upside-down world 'relevant' but stories about clean-limbed fighting men of Virginia rescuing a Martian princess from savages or unwanted marriage 'not relevant'?

Ah, they mean relevant to the Grand Revolution allegedly meant to take place once Christianity and Capitalism and that hated, hated Republic are all swept away in a deluge of bloodshed, and the utopia of Brave New World combined with Nineteen Eighty Four is erected on the rubble.

In other words, 'relevant' means 'slandering the anything good, virtuous, or lovely, and praising the malign, vicious, and aberrant.'

Fools. Nothing is going to be erected. You will create rubble, spill blood, burn fair and goodly things which shall never come again on Earth, and achieve nothing. The revolution will dispose of you first of all.

Because a useful idiot who loses his use is just an idiot.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 15, 2016 11:11 AM  

The Tor cabal has the ethics and morals of a crazy woman, mainly because they have the minds of crazy women. My WAG it will be shit tests all the way down for them, each year crappier and crappier entrants on their part. I encourage such behavior, and they should say it louder.

Anonymous kfg April 15, 2016 11:14 AM  

"Ah, they mean relevant to the Grand Revolution allegedly meant to take place once Christianity and Capitalism and that hated, hated Republic are all swept away in a deluge of bloodshed . . ."

Well, ya know, the clean limbed Virginian went on to overthrowing the Church in a deluge of bloodshed.

But I suppose the SJW's are all too triggered by the princess rescuing bit to make it that far into the story.

Anonymous Scintan April 15, 2016 11:22 AM  

So in your attempt to disrupt the awards you've made them more popular and more relevant than ever.

When did voter numbers become identical with the overall popularity, or relevance of an award? If the Oscars committee adds 50 voters to the list, that's not going to alter the popularity or relevance of the actual awards, after all.

Blogger J A Baker April 15, 2016 11:23 AM  

Charles Bukowski - This
self-congratulatory nonsense as the
famous gather to applaud their seeming
greatness
you
wonder where
the real ones are
what
giant cave
hides them
as
the deathly talentless
bow to
accolades
as
the fools are
fooled
again
you
wonder where
the real ones are
if there are
real ones.
this self-congratulatory nonsense
has lasted
decades
and
with some exceptions
centuries.
this
is so dreary
is so absolutely pitiless
it
churns the gut to
powder
shackles hope
it
makes little things
like
pulling up a shade
or
putting on your shoes
or
walking out on the street
more difficult
near
damnable
as
the famous gather to
applaud their
seeming
greatness
as
the fools are
fooled
again
humanity
you sick
motherfucker.

Saybwhat you will, what you must about Bukowski, but this poem really hits the nail on the head concerning what has happened to soany of these awards today. Vox you should think about starting your own awards.

Anonymous kfg April 15, 2016 11:37 AM  

" . . .this poem really hits the nail on the head concerning what has happened to soany of these awards today."

So many of these awards were founded with that intent in the first place. What set the Hugos a bit apart is that it belongs to a small group of awards that were founded with the intent to break that intent.

Blogger Salt April 15, 2016 11:38 AM  

it tends to indicate a stronger turnout by the No Awards than predicted by Chaos Horizon

I sense an increase in the convergence.

Blogger J A Baker April 15, 2016 11:39 AM  

And these mundane categories really reveal the true motive behind the awards, which is only to further ligitimize authors who have sold out.

I mean best this and best that?

Categories should be more meaningful, such as most honest, or most inspiring, even a category for most propagandized, politicized, and agenda driven if you will, and instead of just voting, voters should comment on and make a case for the work they are voting for. They should put up a valid Argent using quotes from the book to show they actually read it and care ebough about it to make such an effort.

Blogger J A Baker April 15, 2016 11:40 AM  

Sorry for my typos, I use a smart phone with very small keyboard.

Blogger J A Baker April 15, 2016 11:42 AM  

Yeah, well when something out lives it's usefulness you must leave it behind.

Anonymous dt April 15, 2016 11:47 AM  

Do I still get to 'pants' Teresa during the banquet as planned?

Anonymous Nietzsche April 15, 2016 11:54 AM  

@6 John Wrong

I had to get some coffee to make it through your long rambling post.

No one said that the dinosaur story was relevant (though it may have been, haven't thought about it), but that Theodore had made the Hugos 'relevant.'

You could argue that was a poor choice of words. Perhaps 'brought them to a larger audience' or 'reinvigorated their popularity' would be better. You, however, didn't argue that.

I am assuming that you feel your writing has been ignored, and that you write about "clean-limbed fighting men of Virginia".

If that is the case, I suggest you update your writing style from the 18th century to make it a lot less rambling and boring to the modern reader. Make it more... what is the word... what is the word... ah, yes... make it more relevant.


@16 Agree with you wholeheartedly

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 15, 2016 11:54 AM  

I don't think OSHA allows for the use of heavy equipment during public events.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 15, 2016 12:00 PM  

What is remarkable is that a voting block of 500 in lockstep was defeated by at least 501 voters agreeing on the exact same titles without the use of evil slates.

What a remarkable random coincidence!

Blogger Matt #0083 April 15, 2016 12:03 PM  

@17

Congratulations! You exemplify that cliché about "assuming."

Actually you exemplify several clichés.

Sometimes, one's purpose in life is simply to serve as a negative example for others.

Anonymous Michael Maier April 15, 2016 12:07 PM  

Nietzsche April 15, 2016 11:54 AM
@6 John Wrong
I am assuming that you feel your writing has been ignored, and that you write about "clean-limbed fighting men of Virginia".


And proving the point thusly is a drive-by moron Kraut ....

Anonymous dh April 15, 2016 12:08 PM  

When the totals come out, it will be easy to show what will happen under EPH, but it will probably guarantee Castalia a nominee in every category going forward with perhaps as few 500-750 votes.

Blogger dlw April 15, 2016 12:28 PM  

> EPH is likely to have some unexpected consequences.

Unexpected by the Puppy Kickers, maybe.

As I understand EPH, they plan to block "slates" at the expense ofmaking individual categories vulnerable to smaller blocs.

The Torlings are a stampede, but the Vile Faceless Minions are a razor. Use them wisely for maximum effect.

Blogger Sir Thermite April 15, 2016 12:33 PM  

@ John Wright

Well put as always, sir. I'd say rhetorically that even a grocery list would be enjoyable to read if you were its author, but you've already answered that challenge and proven it to be true on an earlier occasion.

Anonymous kfg April 15, 2016 12:40 PM  

"I suggest you update your writing style from the 18th century . . ."

One of the reasons I like reading Thoreau, even where I find myself in disagreement with him, is that his 18th century writing style is beautiful.

But then one needs to be able to ascertain beauty to appreciate it.

Blogger lowercaseb April 15, 2016 12:52 PM  

Doesn't matter...if we force them to use their nukes, then they will take out their own precious awards in the process. Again.

Blogger lowercaseb April 15, 2016 12:58 PM  

J A Baker wrote:Say what you will, what you must about Bukowski, but this poem really hits the nail on the head concerning what has happened to so many of these awards today.

It depresses the hell out of me to think about the state of awards in general, but on the other hand. You managed to sneak a shot of Bukowski into my morning coffee. I'm coughing up my lungs, but I am also feeling that warm feral glow seeping through my body.

Blogger lowercaseb April 15, 2016 12:58 PM  

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Blogger Jon M April 15, 2016 1:11 PM  

"So in your attempt to disrupt the awards you've made them more popular and more relevant than ever."

The goal was always to break the Tor cabal. The more voters there are, the harder it is for one cabal to dictate the results.

Funny as a sweep is - it is a clear demonstration of breaking the Tor stranglehold - forcing Tor to scramble for hundreds more votes to secure nominations for their own team. It's a solid win any way you slice it.

Blogger Nick S April 15, 2016 1:20 PM  

Nietzsche wrote:@6 John Wrong

I had to get some coffee to make it through your long rambling post.

No one said that the dinosaur story was relevant (though it may have been, haven't thought about it), but that Theodore had made the Hugos 'relevant.'

You could argue that was a poor choice of words. Perhaps 'brought them to a larger audience' or 'reinvigorated their popularity' would be better. You, however, didn't argue that.

I am assuming that you feel your writing has been ignored, and that you write about "clean-limbed fighting men of Virginia".

If that is the case, I suggest you update your writing style from the 18th century to make it a lot less rambling and boring to the modern reader. Make it more... what is the word... what is the word... ah, yes... make it more relevant.

@16 Agree with you wholeheartedly


If you find 165 words a long slog, you have bigger problems than worrying about someones writing style. Even a sub-par reader could do that without blinking.

Anonymous kfg April 15, 2016 1:22 PM  

"If you find 165 words a long slog . . ."

Welcome to the Twitter generation.

Anonymous Wat Tyler April 15, 2016 1:25 PM  

These are the people who couldn't even get their confirmation emails out. Imagine how how much they can screw up trying to get their EPH programs to run right.

They'll end up just manufacturing the results.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 1:53 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 15, 2016 1:54 PM  

Wat Tyler wrote:They'll end up just manufacturing the results.
You mean they haven't been? Odd...

Blogger SciVo April 15, 2016 2:06 PM  

Nietzsche wrote:So in your attempt to disrupt the awards you've made them more popular and more relevant than ever.

This is exactly what happened to you when you got kicked out of SFWA.


The International Lord of Hate revealed that the Hugos were trivial. Award-winning books are bought by libraries. The result is entirely postdictable and healthy.

Since one of my favorite hobbies is answering rhetorical questions: Why do I have to explain these things?

Blogger Ingot9455 April 15, 2016 2:07 PM  

That a man would not know to whom is being referred by the term, "A clean-limbed fighting man of Virginia..."

He is not a man, but an insect of some sort.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 2:17 PM  

"That a man would not know to whom is being referred by the term, "A clean-limbed fighting man of Virginia...""

Did the cerebrally-challenged yet dullwitted buffoon believe I was referring to myself, not Edgar Rice Burroughs?

Anonymous kfg April 15, 2016 2:20 PM  

". . . an insect of some sort."

Yeah, they were there too. Ya gotta save the princess from something.

Blogger CarpeOro April 15, 2016 2:21 PM  

I'm guessing the troll call them self Neat-see? was aiming to imitate Nietzsche after syphilis caused his mental collapse? If so, one point for him.

Blogger CarpeOro April 15, 2016 2:22 PM  

John Wright wrote:"That a man would not know to whom is being referred by the term, "A clean-limbed fighting man of Virginia...""

Did the cerebrally-challenged yet dullwitted buffoon believe I was referring to myself, not Edgar Rice Burroughs?



That would be a yes. He is that unread.

Anonymous kfg April 15, 2016 2:26 PM  

"Did the cerebrally-challenged yet dullwitted buffoon believe I was referring to myself, not Edgar Rice Burroughs?"

I believe that the dullwitted buffoon was so focused on "slandering the anything good, virtuous, or lovely, and praising the malign, vicious, and aberrant" that it did not have sufficient wit left to spare to even consider the matter.

It reacted in a programmed, reflexive manner like, well, an insect.

Point to Ingot.

Anonymous kfg April 15, 2016 2:28 PM  

Although that does not preclude Carpe Oro from scoring a point as well.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 2:36 PM  

"If you keep writing it over and over and over maybe eventually it will be true. Keep plugging along slugger."

Good Lord, even their insults make no sense.

I can sense that the dullard is trying to assume an air of sarcastic condescension, but then he points at something no one has ever said before, and claims ... well, I am not sure what is being claimed here.

That the Glorious Socialist Utopia has failed is hardly something someone needs to repeat monotonously to convince the undecided.

Or is this a comment meant to be in support of my comment, namely, that Nietzsche needs to repeat his beliefs again and again?

I think a pannikin of Eighteenth Century clarity would be called for, both by microcephalic Tom Thumb and by the syphilitic Nietzsche.

Anonymous kfg April 15, 2016 2:48 PM  

"I am not sure what is being claimed here."

The rule is that SJW's always lie. That the lie assume an air of sarcastic condescension is both a necessary and sufficient condition. That the lie make any damned sense in this universe or some other is not necessary.

Blogger James Dixon April 15, 2016 2:56 PM  

> If that is the case, I suggest you update your writing style from the 18th century to make it a lot less rambling and boring to the modern reader.

The fact that your reading ability is pathetic is your problem and not Mr. Wright's.

Blogger Carlos Carrasco April 15, 2016 3:12 PM  

@Nietzsche

John C Wright has no shortage of fans who have praised his writing as some of the most exciting they’ve had the pleasure to read. His writing has also been praised by the Kirkus Review, The Library Journal, Locus and Publisher’s Weekly, which went as far as to call him “The fledgling century’s most important new talent…” and his work a “rare and mind-blowing treat” for those willing to be challenged by his “ornate and conceptually dense prose…” (Which we must surmise is too much of a challenge for someone who considers a 165 word post to be long and rambling.) It was mainly after Wright became a Christian that critics of his writing began to appear, swelling in numbers when he joined the fight to restore the Hugo Awards to their former standards and culminating in his last year’s shameful loss to ‘no-award.’ (The shame of which lies entirely with the ‘no-awarders’ and none with Wright nor his fellow nominees.)

As one of those aforementioned fans of John C Wright, I trust that his writing style will continue to develop, becoming ever more engaging and exciting. ‘Updating,’ his style as you suggest, would only dumb it down to the level of Twitter-tight minds like yours.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 15, 2016 3:12 PM  

It's not as if a recent movie, infamous for its poor marketing, considering a certain clean-limbed fighting man of Virginia did not come out within the past five years.

Blogger SirHamster April 15, 2016 3:14 PM  

Sir Thermite wrote:@ John Wright

Well put as always, sir. I'd say rhetorically that even a grocery list would be enjoyable to read if you were its author, but you've already answered that challenge and proven it to be true on an earlier occasion.


Because it was a good read, a link.

Blogger GracieLou April 15, 2016 3:40 PM  

"If you find 165 words a long slog, you have problems"

Foniks iz HARD!!!

Blogger Mom April 15, 2016 3:46 PM  

Are we sure all the nominations were "accepted"? I never received an email acknowledging mine

Blogger Mom April 15, 2016 3:47 PM  

Are we sure all the nominations were "accepted"? I never received an email acknowledging mine

Blogger Harsh April 15, 2016 4:00 PM  

@Nietzsche

When you become a writer of Mr. Wright's caliber your criticism may hold weight, but now you're just an ankle-biting fool who seems covetous of another man's achievements.

Anonymous Tom Thumb April 15, 2016 4:33 PM  

John Wright,

Is your writing really so bad that ypu don't even read what you write? The subject matter might be different here, but your response is not. The other side is evil, hates the light and the truth, wants to destroy all that is good in the world, and on and on. Would you like me to link to blog posts where you say all this? From one dullard to another it really isn't that hard to remember these things bud.

Anonymous Keener April 15, 2016 4:52 PM  

John C. Wright's work is altogether a light in a dark world. He is gifted far beyond the ordinary. This is not debatable. Writers like John C. are a stout umbrella against a rain of trash. So. Glad I got that off my chest.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 5:00 PM  

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Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 5:04 PM  

"Is your writing really so bad that ypu don't even read what you write?"

Ah, so your argument is that if you say stupid things over and over and over, I should not answer more than once no matter the topic, lest the second comment remind you of the first, on the grounds that you are stupid and all logic, reason, eloquence and wit sounds the same to you.

You should be more cautious before admitting that what smart people say all sounds to you like BLAH BLAH BLAH GINGER BLAH BLAH BLAH GINGER

http://static.tumblr.com/yptklcp/FEVl6nors/blahblah_header.jpg

Blogger J A Baker April 15, 2016 5:14 PM  

I've never read anything by John C. Wright, what's a book you would recommend by hom?

Anonymous keener April 15, 2016 5:16 PM  

Start with Awake In The Night Land

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 15, 2016 5:23 PM  

Mom, I think your votes were likely counted. Their reply software is glitchy for everyone, but they have proven in the past to be fair counters.

Their bigger problem is they are less transparent than when they just established a slate for 50 or 100 "SMOFs" to push the preselected friends through.

Now, they have to muster 2000 to make sure they filter out the undesirable stories and authors.

To do that, they simply have to expand the qlique, thereby reducing the chances of the small central party from having carte blanche. They used to literally logroll, or what Stephen King derided as "sit at the right table, get an award."

Anonymous Nietzsche April 15, 2016 5:28 PM  

@37 John "Dodo" Wright

I did miss the John Carter reference. I forgot he was from Virginia. Are you under the impression that you have scored a big point?

You completely misunderstood what "relevant" was being applied to and chose to go off on an irrelevant and misdirected tirade against the Hugos.

Why would you misread something and use it as an excuse to go off on the Hugos?

I think you're bitter that you haven't won an award because your writing is pedantic and boring. That is a pretty serious accusation against a writer.

And in response to that you gleefully point out that I missed your stupid reference.

Even some of your rude defenders -- who are often a$$hats -- have more logical and coherent points than you do.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 15, 2016 5:40 PM  

Nietzsche wrote:I think you're bitter that you haven't won an award because your writing is pedantic and boring. That is a pretty serious accusation against a writer.
Well, we all think you're a retard who is inordinately proud of his room-temp IQ.

No I take that back. My daughter is retarded, and she's at least a decent and loving person.

You're just a slack-jawed iconoclast demanding the destruction of everything he doesn't understand, which is everything, because it makes you feel bad that you don't understand it.

You hate John, not because you think he's stupid, but because you know he's smart. Because you know he's smarter, more decent, more honest, more disciplined, more ethical and capable of far more than your life could ever amount to. Had you all eternity to enact your vision, you'd spend it masturbating in the corner, swearing at everyone who ever created anything strong or fair or beauteous in this world.


You're the angry peasant marching on Edison's lab with torch and pitchfork.

Blogger J A Baker April 15, 2016 5:49 PM  

Thanks, I'll give it a read.

Anonymous Tom Thumb April 15, 2016 6:01 PM  

@57

Poor dumb John, he still can't understand what I'm saying. Bud if you aren't bright enough to get it yet, just stop trying. Don't worry though the short bus will be over to pick you up soon. Try to avoid licking the windows, okay little guy? I did enjoy that the sum total of your wit and eloquence was a virtual version of a child sticking out their tongue screaming "You're a dummy".



Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 15, 2016 6:03 PM  

Tom Thumb wrote:Poor dumb John, he still can't understand what I'm saying.

Feigned intellectual superiority, the refuge of the SJW when caught short in an argument.

No-one believes you, Tad, give it up.

Anonymous Tom Thumb April 15, 2016 6:09 PM  

So John hasn't been feigning any intellectual superiority? I know his writing sucks, but you should at least read his posts before commenting. Did Jesus somehow give John the ability to discern the intelligence of any and all blog posters, based off one or two posts?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 15, 2016 6:13 PM  

Tom Thumb wrote:Did Jesus somehow give John the ability to discern the intelligence of any and all blog posters, based off one or two posts?

Give it up Tad. If your butt hurts, stop picking up guys at the gay bar.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 6:17 PM  

"Did Jesus somehow give John the ability to discern the intelligence of any and all blog posters, based off one or two posts?"

No, Tom. Just yours.

If that was too hard for you, let me write the same sentence at your comprehension level:

Blah, Tom. Blah blah.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 6:22 PM  

"Are you under the impression that you have scored a big point?"

Not at all, sir. It is a small point, but it establishes that you are not a member of the science fiction community in good standing. You don't know about us, about our books, or about what we love in them.

You are a heckler, an outsider, a nag, a scold, a termagant, a bore.

You want science fiction and science fiction writers to serve the great and glorious cause of socialist Morlockery everywhere. You want us to aid you in feasting on the flesh of your victims, pissing on everything good and bright and beautiful, slaying human dreams, strangling miracles, causing woe.

So I need not score any great points to count you out, sir. A thumb is large enough to squash a gnat.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 15, 2016 6:22 PM  

Hmm.

Interesting. We now know the maximum number of SJWs in the Hugoverse. Roughly 3,500.

That's it. That is the maximum number of revved up bodies they can bring to the party.

No where near enough to make a blip on NYT best sellers list. Which I suppose we knew anyway.

Ah well. See you all at Dragoncon. Where the FUBWABAs and the child molesters of Worldcon dare not roam.

Blogger Michael Maier April 15, 2016 6:32 PM  

John Wright: "So I need not score any great points to count you out, sir. A thumb is large enough to squash a gnat."

You dignify this mote entirely too much, sir.

Anonymous Tom Thumb April 15, 2016 6:42 PM  

John is so witty, eloquent, and smart that he literally just rephrases the things that I say to him and says them back. I bow down before your truly staggering ability sir. With writing skills like that, one would think you wouldn't even need a day job, or a tip jar on your site. I'm sure that can all be explained easily though, it's just those no good evil lovers, who hate everything that is good, light, true, or beautiful. That short list is really just shorthand for insert John Wright rant on evil here.

Blogger VD April 15, 2016 6:44 PM  

Say goodby to Tad's latest iteration, everyone.

Anonymous Nathan April 15, 2016 6:45 PM  

Well, so far, you're proving Straw John right.

Anonymous Tom Thumb April 15, 2016 6:47 PM  

So much for free speech.

Also I can definitively prove I am not and have never been Tad. So if you're gonna ban me at least have the courage to say it's because you are an opponent of free speech.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 15, 2016 7:04 PM  

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Blogger Blackburn #0040 April 15, 2016 7:07 PM  

That was kind of like watching the Stipe Miocic vs Roy Nelson fight from UFC 161.

Mr. Wright has a surgeon's gift for precision.

Anonymous Tom Thumb April 15, 2016 7:10 PM  

Cataline be honest, you've never actually seen a vagina have you?

Anonymous Albert April 15, 2016 7:29 PM  

I would like to suggest that the Dragon awards be referred to as "Enders".

Anonymous Tom Thumb April 15, 2016 7:32 PM  

I do seem to be able to still post, so I feel the need to apologize to our benevolent host for my extreme foolishness. It appears in this case I was an ignorant fool, and I apologize for that behaviour.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 15, 2016 7:36 PM  

Salt wrote:it tends to indicate a stronger turnout by the No Awards than predicted by Chaos Horizon

I sense an increase in the convergence.


"The workers' revolution has no bread!"

"Let them eat moderates."

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 15, 2016 7:39 PM  

John Wright wrote:Because a useful idiot who loses his use is just an idiot.

You mean "utility" :-P.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 15, 2016 7:56 PM  

While I was going through the 2015 LambdaConf speaker list for info, I decided to make a list of which speakers had signed the Statement on LambdaConf 2016, and which hadn't. Some of the "didn't" folks may eventually move to the "did" column, but it's still heartening:

Did not sign statement

Marconi Lanna
Aysylu Greenberg
Zeeshan Lakhani
Vlad Patryshev
Sergii Dymchenko
Alejandro Serrano Mena
Jared Roesch
Doug McIlroy
Paul Phillips
Adelbert Chang
Adam Pingel
Justin Campbell
Riccardo Terrell
Alex Gremm
Paige Bailey
Rob Norris
John A. De Goes
Colt Frederickson
Chris Allen
Nick Heiner
Ben Burdette
Brian McKenna
Emiliano Firmino
Chandu Tennety
David Greenberg
Joe Nash
Derek Chen-Becker
André van Delft
Anatoliy Kmetyuk
Priyatam Mudivarti
Mike O'Connor
Steven Proctor
Sharon Steed
Matt Farmer
Daniel Spiewak
Ron Toland
Rahul Kavale
Brendan McAdams
Kris Nuttycombe
Pawel Szulc
Jean-Rémi Desjardins
Alex Burkhart

Signed statement

Andi McClure
Joseph Tel Abrahamson
Ranjit Jhala
Gershom Bazerman
Richard Eisenberg
Jon Sterling
Phil Freeman
Vincent Marquez
Brian L. Troutwine
Richard Feldman
Harold Carr
Adam Foltzer
Mark Farrell
Deian Stefan
Andrew Cherry

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 9:23 PM  

"You mean "utility" :-P."

Embarrassing to correct the correct. Mr. Webster confirms my use, pardon the pun:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/use?s=t

USE: n. service or advantage in or for being employed or used; utility or usefulness.

Blogger 1337kestrel April 15, 2016 9:49 PM  

As long as you don't over-utilize the word "utilize" when "use" can be utilized instead.

Blogger John Wright April 15, 2016 10:36 PM  

Ah, me. I had just turned over a new leaf at Easter not to play the insult game with Morlocks any more. It's not good for my soul.

The snake tempted me, and I crushed him with my heel, I guess.

Anonymous Pictures of You April 15, 2016 10:50 PM  

This should tell you something about VD's influence and relevance, a post about Hugo Nomination numbers devolves into a John Wright is awesome/terrible match. Vivre le roi chiot!!!!!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 15, 2016 10:50 PM  

Cataline Sergius

Interesting. We now know the maximum number of SJWs in the Hugoverse. Roughly 3,500.


Wait, is that Hugo-verse, or Hug-overse? It's ambiguous. Besides, given the number of hugboxes around now, the Hug-overse should be larger. Much larger. Much, much, much larger, perhaps Size XXXXXL larger. But I digress.

That's it. That is the maximum number of revved up bodies they can bring to the party.

That's it? All the sand and dust in the air, all the smoke and noise, that's it?

Well.

How much overlap is there between the gamer world and SF? Sure, I know there is some, but I can name long term SFF fans who knew only what they were told about #gamergate. It wasn't hard to explain to some of them what was really going on.

Perhaps #gamergaters are an untapped reserve of votes for things like Hugo's?

Blogger Salt April 15, 2016 11:06 PM  

John Wright wrote:The snake tempted me, and I crushed him with my heel, I guess.

A good use of your heel, or would it be more accurate to say performed a utility well suited for.

Anonymous Eduardo April 15, 2016 11:27 PM  

John Wright (or Wrong for comedic purposes)

Well John, the Hydra has more than one head and the one you just crushed is growing again! No worries I shall be your Esquire!!! Onward Sir Wright! Take your Esquire the young...ish Vox Day!!!

And use the Lengendary flaming sword Exjay-W-ur and cut the remaining head never allowing it to grow again!!!

(Exjay-W-ur...)

Anonymous Eduardo April 15, 2016 11:35 PM  

Oh damn forgot to erase me as esquire... Well such a wonderful knight could have two esquires. Or one eaquire and some to clean horsesh....

U____U siiiigh

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 16, 2016 12:07 AM  

I was making the connection to John Stuart Mill's utilitarianism, and the humor follows from that.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 16, 2016 12:09 AM  

Never change, Eduardo.

Blogger Wes April 16, 2016 12:25 AM  

Mr. Wright, your comment from April 15, 2016 10:59 AM was right on the money. A hearty "Amen" to that.

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson April 16, 2016 1:05 AM  

@59

There are three points of view that it seems I cannot be tempted to join because, viewed from outside, they produce an obvious smallness of soul.

First, there is the "New" variety of atheist. The Bible has inspired great men for 2,000 years, and Western Civilization for all of its existence, but the New Atheist sneers that it is full of bad and boring stories.

Second, there is the materialist. When someone says that universals are real and also immaterial by definition, he sneers, and he reacts with shock as if this is a new and unconscionable idea unworthy of entertainment, though philosophers have discussed it for literally thousands of years.

Third, there is the SJW, who says John C. Wright, who has written some of the finest passages in current English literature, the guy who wrote Awake in the Night Land, is a bad author.

Each of these, and they are by no means mutually exclusive, appears to have killed something in himself, some capacity to behold truth or beauty, or to contemplate great ideas. It is no wonder that Postmodern man obsesses over sexual perversions and so-called identity politics; he has lost the ability to imagine anything greater.

Blogger John Wright April 16, 2016 2:34 AM  

Save for the flattery that overpraises an undeserving author, I must say the comment by DGD Davidson is very well said, concise, poignant, and shockingly true.

Anonymous Eduardo April 16, 2016 8:43 AM  

Undeserving writer? All your fans heard was "blah blah Ginger Blah blah blah"

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 16, 2016 2:03 PM  

We now know the maximum number of SJWs in the Hugoverse. Roughly 3,500.

I wonder how many of the new players are friends/spouses/children/pets of the usual suspects and how many have Rape Rape Martin "scholarships"? SJWs usually need their money for food and iPhones - can't see a few hundred more turning up just by accident - they were already maxed out on people who gave a shit last year.

I imagine Rape Rape as the George Soros of SF/F, using his money to enforce his perversity on the public against their will through feckless proxies. If they're anything like Soros' antifa, he probably has to pay them salary so they'll actually nominate and vote on top of buying the memberships.

Anonymous Neitzsche April 17, 2016 11:01 AM  

@60
1. Sorry about your daughter
2. I never said John Wright was stupid (though he may be)

@65
Oh, you got me. Good one. Very funny metaphor there. Haha, you funny fellow.
You're very good at judging the efficacy of your own comebacks and announcing it to others.
Anyone who says John Wright is riding on the coat tails of VD and would be a broken and forgotten man if it were not for VD is completely wrong as you have demonstrated with your incisive wit.

@87
There is no accounting for taste, though i haven't (coudn't) read through all (much) of his stuff. John Wright proved to be the Ambien of writers.

You don't like new atheists buy you're okay with the old variety?

Blogger EscapeVelocity April 18, 2016 7:09 PM  

I think your readin it wrong. #GamerGate joined the fight more fully this year. Those 500 probably tilt Sad/Rabid Puppies way.

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