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Saturday, April 02, 2016

A Jewish case for white nationalism

Mytheos Holt explains why Donald Trump appeals to so many dispossessed and disadvantaged whites, as well as why white nationalism is on the rise:
This brings me to the first and, arguably, the most important lesson that Sylvia taught me about what drives people into the arms of white nationalism: that urge comes not from economic dispossession, nor spiritual dispossession, but cultural dispossession.

No, I don’t mean the sort of “where has my country gone” ignorance that I and my fellow coastal cosmopolitans like to mock over cocktails. I mean the sorts of people who are attracted to white nationalism are people whose own communities have been hollowed out by economic and cultural forces beyond their control, and who are now adrift in a society they perceive to be universally hostile to their heritage for no good reason.

That heritage, as white nationalists in America see it, is the heritage of Western civilization. If you wonder what that means (which is reasonable), let me spell it out: It means historically Western European cultural norms. Specifically, norms like respect for agents of the law, aspirational pride in work, willingness to accept the consequences of one’s actions, disdain for laziness and welfarism, and reproductive responsibility (i.e., not having children you can’t afford to keep).
They respect these norms not merely because these are what their own communities follow, but also because they think these norms make constitutional government, liberty, and classical republicanism possible. If you have to pick between the two, defend the norms every day, since temporary cessations of liberty will naturally recover if they’re still in place, whereas the institutions without the norms will become meaningless: the Constitution will become a pointless scrap of paper to which people pay only lip service, and constitutional government will become bureaucracy hiding behind the fig leaf of a separation of powers.

Where this otherwise perfectly respectable, conservative pride in Western culture atrophies into white nationalism when the person holding it comes to believe that respect for liberal Western civilization is inextricably tied to one’s race. One particularly irreverent white nationalist YouTube songster sums this attitude up in a video mocking libertarians: “It’s not that freedom is bad/But only whites think it’s rad.”

Moreover, and this cannot be stated enough: these people genuinely believe that to be proud of the history of Western European accomplishment, and one’s own descent from the people responsible, is taboo in modern America. If you look at what cultural studies departments, much of modern media, left-wing college students, and the crazy wing of the Democratic Party says, this is probably at least partially accurate. Unfortunately, however, it’s not just leftists who are responsible for the rise of white nationalism in communities like Sylvia’s. We conservatives bear some blame too, though in this case, largely because of misunderstandings of how our own behavior is perceived.
It's a fairly honest assessment, although I would say that it is not a misunderstanding of how conservative behavior is perceived, but rather a straightforward failure of conservatism to defend or conserve Western civilization. Conservatism is not, as Red Eagle and I chronicled in Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America, a set of principles or a coherent ideology. It is an attitude, and more, it is an attitude that is intrinsically incapable of holding its ground against the forces that assail both Western civilization and the various white nations that built and value it.

Now, I am not a white nationalist for the obvious reason that I am a red nationalist. Also, and more importantly, there is no white nation; only in America can anyone even contemplate the concept. When one lives in Europe, it is considerably more clear that the English nation is not the German nation is not the Dutch nation is not the Italian nation.

However, just as the Jews who historically considered themselves German discovered that it didn't matter what they considered themselves to be, many Americans of various European descents are learning that in the eyes of those who hate and envy them, they are nothing more than "white". And, as Holt observes, it should be no surprise that they are beginning to band together and respond to the tribalist attacks on them with a tribalism of their own.

But whether it is intellectually coherent or not, white nationalism is entirely Constitutional. Freedom of Association is an unalienable and Constitutional right. Diversity, imposed and involuntary, is intrinsically anti-Constitutional, anti-American, anti-human rights, and anti-Western Civilization.

Perhaps it takes a Jew to understand that if white nationalism is immoral, so is Jewish nationalism and the State of Israel.

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104 Comments:

Anonymous Discard April 02, 2016 8:16 AM  

The most important thing about the Trump campaign is the development of White racial consciousness. As a mix of northern, western, and central European ancestry, "White American" is the only shoe that fits.

And where does this writer get the idea that asking "Where has my country gone?" is ignorance?

Anonymous The S:PY April 02, 2016 8:19 AM  

I hope that Conservatism Inc. burns to the ground, and on the heap of ashes springs forward a healthy, patriotic nationalism.

Regardless of what happens with Mr Trump, I pray there's no putting this Jeanie back into the bottle.

Onward Christian soldiers!

Blogger Lovekraft April 02, 2016 8:22 AM  

In the day-to-day grind of making a living but having to interact with these PC police, there has to be recognition that these alt-righters are taking huge risks and suffering numerous indignities for simply standing up for themselves.

OpenID paworldandtimes April 02, 2016 8:24 AM  

Like the breaking of any habit, it felt awkward at first to start capitalizing "White" but now to me it seems strange to see it written in lower case. The word is a defacto synonym for "fully of European descent" and is not inclusive of light-skinned people like some East Asians or African albinos. It is not a semi-randomly distributed quality like "tall" that gets written in lower case, it derives from a proper noun.

PA

Anonymous Craigp April 02, 2016 8:27 AM  

whenever they sense any kind of white nationalism on the rise Jewish people tend to rally against it and it gets crushed, as a non-Jewish Caucasian I don't like that either but I guess they have their reasons, they don't like gambling they like certainty

Blogger Doseux April 02, 2016 8:31 AM  

The Federalist linking to Uncuck the Right?

This guy... I can't tell if he thinks everyone is as autistic as he is, or if this is actually a covert pro-WN piece.

Either way, everyone should check out UTR (now Walt Bismark) on Youtube. He does amazing parodies.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 02, 2016 8:31 AM  

Masonic influences in the FFofA

** "The bosom of America is open to receive not only the Opulent and respectable Stranger," George Washington had famously declared, "but the oppressed and persecuted of all Nations and Religions, whom we shall welcome to a participation of all our rights and privileges, if by decency and propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment".

Tom Gjelten quoting George Washington.
Gjelten, Tom (2015) A Nation of Nations, A Great American Immigration Story. NY, NY: Simon & Schuster. pg 6. From "Address to the Members of the Volunteer Association and Other Inhabitants of the Kingdom of Ireland Who Have Lately Arrived in the City of New York, 2 December 1783," The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799, Vol. 27, ed. John C. Fitzpatrick (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1938), 254.

Yes, "WELCOME" to Masonic America. What many people don't realize is that America wears TWO crowns. One half of America is Masonic and the other half is non-Masonic.

Anonymous old man in a villa April 02, 2016 8:32 AM  

That was painfully dishonest.

I only speak for myself, but more than the degeneracy of the culture, the flood of different people speaking in myriad tongues, the violence, the discord, the degradation of cultural norms, the mainstreaming of every perversion and sickening behavior is the flat out dishonesty and hypocrisy of the new normal. This guys writes cogent sentences, he obviously believes he understands the causation of our current discord and yet he lies so effectively that he actually believes what he is saying.

How can you possibly exist in a culture that is so diametrically opposed to reality?

Anonymous Godfrey April 02, 2016 8:39 AM  

Israel has a wall.

If the border of the US "should" be wide open, then why not the borders of Israel? I seem to recall Israel actually bombing the refugees in Gaza.

Anonymous Craigp April 02, 2016 8:40 AM  

but sometimes the Jewish people go overboard and get overly paranoid and they go after two non-Jewish white people that they see high five each other , they should relax

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 02, 2016 8:44 AM  

The Cucks including this author are the last anti-racists and anti-racism is nothing but anti-White.

WN is mainly a joke ran by cranks who refuse to see that they are cranks. These cranks have piled up mountains of tedious boring essays and tales of "daily outrage" and still the numbers of WNs is up to nothing.

If WN is to mature into something it won't come from WNs it will come from the recruitment efforts by the Left, they do marvelous work as do their idiot surrogates the cucks.

Anonymous old man in a villa April 02, 2016 8:46 AM  

"personal mission to deconvert her from her ideology"

"I obviously pounced on this as a first opportunity to break down her worldview."

"...all I managed to do was scare her, though she did actually put up a far better fight than any white nationalist has a right to, probably because, despite her sheltered upbringing, she was off-the-charts brilliant."

"I continued to send out feelers and message and speak with her online, keeping my ethnic heritage a secret at first so I could probe her ideology without sending up alarm bells."

"...this time with more gentle prodding, I started to make her doubt what she’d been taught. Of course, at some point I had to reveal that I am a Jew."

"That’s because what shocked her even more than my Jewishness was that I’d known she was a white nationalist and still willingly engaged with her like a human being and an equal."

And it continues on and on.

Lies, deceit, coverups, manipulations, total disregard of the Truth in every way imaginable and yet "...with the scales lifted from both our eyes about the other’s decency and humanity."

You see to me, decency and humanity cannot possibly be attributed to someone who engages in that level of deciept and calumny and with that level of intent. He started out not by listening or inquiring, but by deceptively trying to "send a cannonball through the foundation of her beliefs."

And he sees himself as some sort of heroic and moral paragon.

How do you coexist with someone who is not only bad in every sense of the word, but thinks that their behavior is good?

Anonymous Discard April 02, 2016 8:47 AM  

This Mytheos Holt is a patronizing slime hook. His article features some probably imaginary ultra-brilliant Nazi girl that he tries to win for Israel worship. Just the thing to give the warm fuzzies and a quick tingle to his fellow coastal cosmopolitans. He doesn't give a shit about Whites, only that we not turn on him and his kind.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 02, 2016 8:48 AM  

I finally got around to getting my fed taxes done the other day.

The subject of Trump came up in our conversation. I described the fact of the bi-factional ruling party and Trump's part in destroying at least the Republican half of it. The converstion then drifted to America's likely future. I talked about the US splitting apart and they brought up secession. People really do not like hearing about things that could be personally painful or even merely inconvenient. The guy from Hong Kong found the idea of the US fracturing hard to imagine.

It was only after I left that it fully sank in what I was seeing in their eyes. You see, the guy doing my taxes was from Hong Kong and the other tax preparer was from Honduras. What I saw was fear. I never said anything explicitly about White nationalism but they knew what was coming, at least at the edge of their consciousness they knew.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 02, 2016 8:55 AM  

The Jewsers being the crankiest of the cranks on the WN spectrum, nearly useless for whites in general, go ahead ask them how they are useful to whites.

"Culture of Critique" an informative book details a social hypothesis, so I ask the author on his website a legitimate question why don't he query his antagonists personally instead of the usual theorizing about their motives, guess whose post got deleted? Mine then 100+ posts of the usual Jewsing, useless.

Holt is still and assclown but not a one of the Jewsers would even dare ask him about his Identity politics or his shopworn scams.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 02, 2016 8:59 AM  

Yeah, there's a basic dishonest underneath his 'honest assessment'. I see it over and over.

An attempt to admit a problem to subvert it. There are 'cultural' issues but its not fundamentally cultural-- that's just an offshoot however important:


1.White people exist.
2. White people have the RIGHT to exist.
3. White people have the RIGHT to exist AS White people in White Communities and Nations.

One problem: Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for Everyone IS White Genocide.

Holt would NEVER say that basic truth. Nor admit it.

But that is the crime. It is white Genocide. It is state violence. And politicians, elites and media past and present must be held accountable. 'Just obeying orders' is not an excuse.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2016 April 02, 2016 9:00 AM  

It's all running the relativism meme.

Did Moses ascend mount Sinai and meet the actual Creator of Heavens and Earth.

All these arguments disappear in a puff of logic with one question: Is there any such thing as a universal set of human rights?

Is there any such thing as White?

Every evolutionist here has their creation story and their political equivalent. It all sucks. It's all falling apart. Entropy. Like heat death wasn't going to get to politics as well? Descartes: "I rant therefore I am" - except his parents taught him to speak and someone taught them. Regression has it's limits. Cheers at the end of the world.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 9:01 AM  

" Also, and more importantly, there is no white nation; only in America can anyone even contemplate the concept."

preach.

Anonymous omar's running shoes April 02, 2016 9:04 AM  

"...the heritage of Western civilization. If you wonder what that means (which is reasonable), let me spell it out: It means historically Western European cultural norms."

They may not know what the heritage of Western civilization is (reasonable) but they all seem to know where to find it because that's the only place on Earth they are all headed to.

As the old saying goes, 'no White man, no orange soda.'

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 9:07 AM  

"1.White people exist.
2. White people have the RIGHT to exist.
3. White people have the RIGHT to exist AS White people in White Communities and Nations."

How many children do you have?

OpenID paworldandtimes April 02, 2016 9:12 AM  

How many children do you have?

Pointlessly petulant. A while back there was a pro-natalist post here and VD responded to someone who neenered-neenered him on not having 10 kids with something along the lines of separating the message from the messenger.

PA

Anonymous Anonymous April 02, 2016 9:14 AM  

Frank Raymond - An Outsider's Insight into the White Mind & Caucasian Culture - Hour 1

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2016/03/RIR-160316.php

Frank Raymond was born in the Indian subcontinent and spent his early life in Calcutta, Darjeeling, and Dhaka in Bangladesh. He went to college and university in England, and later returned to Bangladesh, where he spent many years running an industrial business and immersing himself in the mind and culture of the people of India. For the past 20+ years Raymond has resided in Vancouver, BC, and due to witnessing the slow destruction of the once-proud Canada, he was inspired to write his first book, “Sweet Dreams and Terror Cells.”

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 02, 2016 9:15 AM  

#18 Do stop with your tedious Churchian response to WN.

The answer is obviously you can never have enough white children, unless you like the crazy and yes genocidal left hate white children and wish to torment them, but if you do please tell us why.

Blogger The Hammer April 02, 2016 9:25 AM  

I saw this article linked as a headline and read it on my phone, not realizing it was Salon. I was surprised someone there gets what could be coming soon with regard to ethnic conflict and how Trump could be a delayer.

"What if, in other words, Donald Trump isn’t an aberration created by the miscalculations of a party elite, but the political expression of a much deeper, and more dangerous, frustration among a very large, well-armed segment of our population? What if Trump isn’t a proto-Mussolini, but rather a regrettably short finger in the dike holding back a flood of white violence and anger this country hasn’t seen since the long economic boom of the 1950s and ’60s helped put an end to the Jim Crow era?

One way or another, we’re going to find out soon. Trump made headlines when he suggested his supporters would riot if he were denied the nomination despite his lead in the delegate count. Even if we are spared that spectacle, the Trump era will almost certainly come to an end by November. And then we will be left with the naked fact of his followers, too few in number to affect meaningful change on their own, too numerous for the rest of us to ignore, too angry to sit still for long."

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/01/uh_oh_where_does_all_the_white_rage_go_when_donald_trump_loses/

Blogger Salt April 02, 2016 9:26 AM  

OT - An interesting development in the Best. Election. Evah!

"According to Montgomery Blair Sibley, the former attorney of DC Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey, an 'election bombshell' is already online"

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 02, 2016 9:29 AM  

George Washington was a Mason.

Blogger Amateur Brain Surgeon April 02, 2016 9:29 AM  

Ethnos absent Logos is suicidal

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 9:29 AM  

"#18 Do stop with your tedious Churchian response to WN."

Its not the churchian response. Its the demographic response. The future belongs to those who show up for it.

The primary means to insure your beloved white race exists in the future is breeding with white women. Its much more important to do that than anything else.

See I have this friend who's a white nationalist.. and he has a nice pretty white wife and 7 kids. I have a lot of respect for that.

As for the message and the messenger... in this particular case the behavior of the messenger and the message are linked. There is no right of anything to exist. There is only the iron law of demographics. The white race can either breed and exist.... or stop breeding and die. Nothing else matters.

Anonymous PUMPsix April 02, 2016 9:34 AM  

I haven't read much on American history, nor have I read Cuckservative; however, from my reading on the French Revolution, it was a sharp restarting of the social order that separated the "Conservative" Aristocracy from maintaining control.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 9:34 AM  

"The answer is obviously you can never have enough white children"

well that depends on your definition of enough... but in this case lets take enough to mean the minimum requirement. that would be 3. replacement plus 1. I have 5. my friend has 7. I figure between us we have done far more to prevent white genocide than most.

Anonymous Millenium April 02, 2016 9:36 AM  

Culture comes from race. This jew does not understand that even as he fulfils the jewish stereotypes.

Anonymous Ness1 April 02, 2016 9:40 AM  

#18, #25

So you are justifying White Genocide if the answer is wrong??

That's faulty logic. And disturbing ethics. Which you would not like.

What is the right answer??

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 9:44 AM  

"So you are justifying White Genocide if the answer is wrong??"

There is no justification. Nature doesn't require justification. A race that is to lazy and stupid to reproduce isn't something that the world is going to miss much.

Blogger Ahazuerus April 02, 2016 9:58 AM  

"Perhaps it takes a Jew to understand that if white nationalism is immoral, so is Jewish nationalism and the State of Israel."

I have to admit I laughed at that, but this particular Jew (Holt, not me - I'm white trash) doesn't actually come to that realisation anywhere in the article, that I could find.

Is this a view of his found elsewhere, or was that just a throwaway of your own?

Anonymous paradox April 02, 2016 10:09 AM  

"there is no white nation; only in America can anyone even contemplate the concept."

And even then, it's a hard concept for those of us in the South. I have nothing in common with clam chowder eating "white" Yankees.

Blogger tz April 02, 2016 10:10 AM  

The problem with white nationalism is all the white knights - Marxism wasn't imposed by Malcolm X.
The gene pool needs a cleaning.
You can separate race from culture, but it does mean imposing western civilization on everyone (not unlike libertarians need to impose the NAP, not just talk). Much of that is simple biblical (protestant) Christianity. But those norms must be imposed, with violence (even by omission - no work, no eat, work or starve).
Race conserves culture with the instinctive tribalism - you keep with norms. It works both ways, so we get Baltimore and Ferguson. You can't change it when there is a different, easier norm.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 02, 2016 10:17 AM  

The recent setback for Trump is just like a stock market correction. It's a perfect buying opportunity for those who have procrastinated betting on The Donald.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner April 02, 2016 10:23 AM  

Last night we stopped at a McDonalds after 11 for milkshakes, there was an elderly white man working the drive thru. It enraged me that my taxes are paying for Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico to collect social security disability for NO SPEAK ENGLISH,& illegals fraudulently collecting child tax credit payouts, while a white guy in his twilight years has to work fast food night shift.

One particularly irreverent ... “It’s not that freedom is bad/But only whites think it’s rad.”

Basicly his entire post summed up in one sentence.

OT:WEKA Remus is back to Tuesday postings http://www.woodpilereport.com/

Blogger James Dixon April 02, 2016 10:29 AM  

> No, I don’t mean the sort of “where has my country gone” ignorance

As Discard said, how does this qualify as ignorance?

> If you have to pick between the two, defend the norms every day, since temporary cessations of liberty will naturally recover if they’re still in place, whereas the institutions without the norms will become meaningless: the Constitution will become a pointless scrap of paper to which people pay only lip service, and constitutional government will become bureaucracy hiding behind the fig leaf of a separation of powers.

I'd say that's a fair characterization of our current situation.

> Where this otherwise perfectly respectable, conservative pride in Western culture atrophies into white nationalism when the person holding it comes to believe that respect for liberal Western civilization is inextricably tied to one’s race. One particularly irreverent white nationalist YouTube songster sums this attitude up in a video mocking libertarians: “It’s not that freedom is bad/But only whites think it’s rad.”

Atrophies? Yet another insult disguised as a comment. Of course, nowhere does he give an argument as to why the singer or the opinion is wrong. It's just taken as a given that it is, when even a casual review of the governments around the world leads one to exactly that conclusion.

> ...these people genuinely believe that to be proud of the history of Western European accomplishment, and one’s own descent from the people responsible, is taboo in modern America.

Again stated as if it can't possibly be true, when the day to day experiences of millions of people routinely demonstrate that it is.

Blogger Doom April 02, 2016 10:36 AM  

"Perhaps it takes a Jew to understand that if white nationalism is immoral, so is Jewish nationalism and the State of Israel."

True. But that is precisely why many, especially "elite" American Jews reject Israel. To Jewish demise in the area? Perhaps incidentally. They would never accept guilt for weakening Israeli borders, or arming Iran (or other muslim nations) with the bomb, but they do support those things. Actually, reminds me a great deal of the elite Jews in Germany who flatly supported Hitler, or in nations taken by Germany told their people not to resist or run, that they would work things out. Of course, since then, they have all suggested it was not their fault, even scrubbing their involvements and betrayals.

Those how honestly believe in Israel, however, even in spite of being atheist types, might well still call an exception because of their once favored status with God. Funny how people can twist shit they don't even believe into a safety net for what isn't anything other than what it is. Bleh.

Blogger Ahazuerus April 02, 2016 10:36 AM  

@tz

In western european history it was traditional practice, when the jails and streets were overflowing with the inconvenient, indigent, ignorant, and ineducable, to round them all up and send them off to some god-fosaken foreign hellhole to die.

If, in the process of dying for God, King, and Country, they inadvertently expanded the boundaries of Empire, good. If not, still they had served their purpose and maintained the high standard of the home country, by absenting themselves from it.

But the dominance of the British and then American empires has provided us with the calamitous circumstance wherein our victorious armies mostly come home alive, and thus their service is no longer what it once was.

One can, naturally, foresee a soon-coming future wherein this circumstance reverses itself and so the wheel of time turns, one age passes and a new age begins, and there is nothing new under the sun ...

Anonymous Takin' a Look April 02, 2016 10:41 AM  

It's the rank hypocrisy. That's what goyim who are waking up are sick of.
An example: look at the headlines of these two articles by Menachem Rosensaft

Jews for the most part have no real concept of "hypocrisy" and why goyim, especially hajnal-line goyim, tend to lose their shit when it is shoved in their faces once too often.

Anonymous BGKB April 02, 2016 10:49 AM  

And where does this writer get the idea that asking "Where has my country gone?" is ignorance?

I imagine he would clutch his pearls if someone pointed out it has gone $8billion a year to Israel, from the taxpayers.

His article features some probably imaginary ultra-brilliant Nazi girl that he tries to win for Israel worship

He probably writes stories about STR8 guys that fall in love with trannys in his spare time.

How many children do you have?...having 10 kids with something along the lines of separating the message from the messenger

If the jews Barney Frank and Lena Dunham want white children to be plentiful in the future more than you do, does it matter if their reasons are nefarious?

the former attorney of DC Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey, an 'election bombshell' is already online"

Lets speculate as to which candidate is a whoremonger?

But that is precisely why many, especially "elite" American Jews reject Israel.

They reject Israel because they know they would have to do community service to become a citizen and even though gays can marry now only the religious jews are breeding, making it likely reversed.

OpenID paworldandtimes April 02, 2016 10:50 AM  

A race that is to lazy and stupid to reproduce isn't something that the world is going to miss much.

Whites are reproducing so that's a non-sequitur. Those who aren't or are doing it at lower rates still might contribute to WN in different ways. Ann Coulter has no children but if her writing persuades politicians to close the borders, then she would have done her part, so to speak, in making it easier for other White families to have more kids.

My reason for separating the message form the messenger in natalism discussions is the act that they are male, and men -- going back to the laws of biology -- have never reproduced at the rates that women do. Childless WN commenters are an equivalent of a teenage boy who got killed in a Mammoth hunt, except that they are still alive and promote a pro-White future.

On a personal level, I have children but I understand that many WNs don't for reasons that were at least to some degree outside of their control. Some may have realized the value of family when they were too old to do anything about it. Not everybody has had the benefit of growing up in a rooted community or in a strong extended family clan that helped counter the system's anti-natalist indoctrination.

PA

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 11:01 AM  

' I have nothing in common with clam chowder eating "white" Yankees.'

correct.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 11:07 AM  

"Some may have realized the value of family when they were too old to do anything about it. Not everybody has had the benefit of growing up in a rooted community or in a strong extended family clan that helped counter the system's anti-natalist indoctrination. "

its interesting to me that there is an obvious delta in the geography of white nationalism and the perception there-of. The media portrays white nationalists as rural retards. But from my own observation it appears the complete opposite. White nationalists tend to be more urban... not rural. In fact most of the redpill types are urban.

so you have this barrier in the WN movement much in the same way you have a barrier in the Dark Enlightment movement. These are largely groups of urban men who have realized they have been fed a bunch of bullshit and are angry about it. They have been duped and they would like a pound of flesh for retribution.

Their rural counterparts though, who share the same views, do not have the same attitudes and are loathe to accept them though... because they were raised very differently have never actually got duped in the first place. They were never red pilled. They didn't have to be. They were not born in the Matrix to begin with.

Blogger 744 Bosoms of Liberty April 02, 2016 11:22 AM  

Cities were invented by Cain.

Blogger Stilicho April 02, 2016 11:23 AM  

Wheeler, masonic/= Jewish. You sound exactly like the wild_haired Greek guy on the history channel "I'm not saying it's aliens, but... it's aliens!"

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2016 11:27 AM  

So...a Jewish guy writes one of the more sympathetic essays on white nationalism...and the reponse of the WN here is OMG! BEWARE THE TRICKSY FALSE JEW!

Awesome job, guys. Awesome job.

Anonymous Homesteader April 02, 2016 11:30 AM  

I think Nate is right-I fit that description. I was raised as blue pill as a "man" could be- all female household, absent father, 70's zeitgeist liberalism.

The progression-
1. Discover National Review. (1999 or so.)
2. Read Derbyshire
3. See Derbyshire defenestrated by Lowry
4. Follow Derb to Taki's
5. Read Goad et al
6. Discover Rollo, Heartiste, And Vox
7. Read Oculus and the 14 words
8. Realize how fucked a good portion of my life has been, divorced from my own identity as a White, Christian, Man.
9. Start trying to earn the right to be called Patriarch.
10. Teaching the Red Pill by example.

I have been fortunate to meet men raised red pill. I use them as mentors and guides

Sadly, our brethren unenlightened are Legion

There's much to be done.

Anonymous Conker April 02, 2016 11:39 AM  

What's wrong with Asians in America? Hardest working people with an average IQ higher than that of whites. Should they be lumped in with blacks and Hispanics and be repatriated?

Anonymous Greg April 02, 2016 11:45 AM  

‘You Are Not The People, You Are The Past’ Public Broadcaster Tells German Critics Of Mass Immigration
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/02/you-are-not-the-people-you-are-the-past-critics-of-mass-immigration/

Anonymous Homesteader April 02, 2016 11:47 AM  

Sigh. What's wrong with Whites in South Africa? Hardest working people with an average IQ higher than Blacks. Should they be lumped in with Kenyans and Nigerians and repatriated?

Anonymous BGKB April 02, 2016 11:50 AM  

Not sure if this is on (((topic))) http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/24/heres-who-benefits-from-worsening-puerto-ricos-debt-crisis/

You thought the education gap for non Asian minorities was bad but didn't know about the diaper gap
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/03/10-mil-to-end-diaper-disparity-after-free-diaper-laws-fail-twice-in-congress/

Anyone want to quit their dayjob http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/state-dept.-hiring-interior-designers-salaries-up-to-141000/article/2587055

OpenID sigsawyer April 02, 2016 11:58 AM  

"constitutional government will become bureaucracy hiding behind the fig leaf of a separation of powers"

103 years and counting...

Anonymous Takin' a Look April 02, 2016 11:58 AM  

@ Josh

We.Don't.Care.... it's too little,too late and this entire article is one big, sniveling back-handed compliment.

Where were these little faggoty-assed cuckservatives 20 years ago? Busy sucking cock so hard, the foreskin grew back. All for 30 shekels, while that appalachian miner was getting screwed over.

"Spits"

As for your stupid concern-trolling, isn't it more insulting to insinuate that jews must be treated with care and kid gloves as opposed to being adult, rational agents?

Which is more honest, calling a kike out for their never ending perfidy or verbally performing oral sex on them in the hopes they will come around to your way of thinking?

Actually, have the (((Cosmopolitans)))
EVER brokered with the goyim in good faith?

Blogger Were-Puppy April 02, 2016 12:14 PM  

@12 old man in a villa

How do you coexist with someone who is not only bad in every sense of the word, but thinks that their behavior is good?
---

You do not. Unless you make a very public mockery of this guy and everything he does.

Blogger bw April 02, 2016 12:26 PM  

George Washington was a Mason.

I've covered this in detail many times. The infiltration and use of Masonry-as-network and was just beginning to take place. Washington himself noted this as did others, and he did not attend a lodge by his own account for the last 30 years of his life. He understood the deal.
It is the Brotherhood that has taken his name and used it for their purposes after the fait accompli, and they built the Phallic monument. He has been appropriated.

that jews must be treated with care and kid gloves

Most people have no idea of the history and agency of (((the Network and their Finance and place in Western Civ for Centuries))), and they don't wish to know. World view house of cards would crumble.


“Are we any better off than we were 50 years ago?
Absolutely.... White dominance is on the decline as the demographic white majority heads for oblivion over the course of the next 30 years.” – Jew Mark Potok, SPLC

What the POS lies about by failing to say it is that TheTribe has agitated for it, accomplished it to great ends, and wants it desperately. It is THEIR agenda, and White Traitors are just along for the ride and the goodies.

Anonymous Fn April 02, 2016 12:27 PM  

Wheeler will rise and thrash.

Blogger bw April 02, 2016 12:32 PM  

Excellent podcast on Tribe immigration involvement etc

Blogger Were-Puppy April 02, 2016 12:34 PM  

@25 W.LindsayWheeler
George Washington was a Mason.
--

George Jefferson was a dry cleaner

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 02, 2016 12:35 PM  

On the Seal of the United States of America:

"E Pluribus Unum"---Out of many, One.

That is the other half of the Seal= "Novus Ordo Secularum". The New Order is without priests and nations. Adam Weisphaut, founder of the Illuminati, said, "Priests and Nations will disappear from the face of the earth". His prophecy is coming true. America is the first Masonic republic. Modern France is the second Masonic republic. Then, the Marxists then grafted themselves upon the Masonic foundation of this country. Gnosticism. All leftists are Gnostics--hatred of reality. What do you think are the Rockefeller Republicans? The Republican party was started by Gnostics, social Justice warriors.

No, there is an engraving of George Washington in his Masonic apron leading the Masons in laying the foundation of Washington DC. We live under Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 02, 2016 12:41 PM  

"However, just as the Jews who historically considered themselves German discovered that it didn't matter what they considered themselves to be..."

It may not have mattered much to the Germans when the Jews first began entering the country. The Germans are a friendly people and the Jews slowly, incrementally took advantage of that friendliness and obtained ascendancy over the press and the financial system. The resulting state of affairs mattered very much to the Germans. As far as the Jews are concerned, it has ALWAYS mattered to them what they consider themselves to be--that is, the favored race that has a right and an ineluctable destiny to subject all other races to Jewish domination. It's their thing. Any goy who doesn't get that is delusional.

"Perhaps it takes a Jew to understand that if white nationalism is immoral, so is Jewish nationalism and the State of Israel."

Jews find such a notion laughable. With the exception of a tiny number of Jews (such as those of the Jews-against-Zionism mindset, Torah Jews, etc.), the vast majority of them would vehemently decry such a sentiment.

Blogger adp April 02, 2016 12:46 PM  

Or maybe neither are immoral.

OpenID denektenorsk April 02, 2016 1:02 PM  

The Democrats sold out the nation for power, the Republicans sold out the nation for cheap labour/profit and a growing portion of middle class 'persons of European descent' are tired of being vilified for voting in their own interest. That about cut to the chase of these tiresome essays?

When a Jewish person (or any other ethnicity) cries and bemoans 'persons of European descent' doing something in their own interest and with the very same breath goes on about the well being of their own ethnicity or Israel, I have a few simple words. F#$K off hypocrite.

When you are finished remaking the Western world in your own image and the parasite finally kills the host where will you scamper off to then? Everyone bemoans how racist 'persons of European descent' are (who as a portion of the planets population are A MINORITY, gasp) and how aweful the West is, and yet they all seem to want to come here. If it's so awful there is a simple answer. Stay home.

Blogger VD April 02, 2016 1:14 PM  

Jews find such a notion laughable. With the exception of a tiny number of Jews (such as those of the Jews-against-Zionism mindset, Torah Jews, etc.), the vast majority of them would vehemently decry such a sentiment.

If so, then let them laugh. And let the world see them laughing.

OpenID denektenorsk April 02, 2016 1:15 PM  

"1.White people exist.
2. White people have the RIGHT to exist.
3. White people have the RIGHT to exist AS White people in White Communities and Nations."

How many children do you have?


Just because many 'persons of European descent' are choosing to have zero kids and instead be taken care of the husband state doesn't mean we have to import millions upon millions of people from other countries and encourage them to outbreed us here and there. It simply means you spend within your means. If you want to be a land whale rad feminist with a posse of 30 cats, have at it. Just don't expect me to support you in your old age. If your gender / underwater basket weaving degree can't provide for YOUR I fail to see how that is MY problem.

Less people on the planet is not a bad thing for either the remaining people or the planet itself. If governments spent in a sustainable matter immigration would be a non-starter. I'll go hunt my unicorn now...

Anonymous Discard April 02, 2016 1:51 PM  

50. Conker: Orientals are not us. At best they mimic us in order to get admission to our universities and jobs. And the culture they mimic is not American, but multi-cult. They have a higher IQ because they don't send us their rice farmers or factory workers. China has a job for these folks: becoming the next Jews, and turning America to doing what's best for China.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 2:09 PM  

"Just because many 'persons of European descent' are choosing to have zero kids and instead be taken care of the husband state doesn't mean we have to import millions upon millions of people from other countries and encourage them to outbreed us here and there."

actually it does. Garbge doesn't pick up itself. Rooves don't self repair.

There are basic jobs that have to get done. Whites can set themselves up as overlords... or they can breed.

Right now they are doing neither.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 2:11 PM  

"Where were these little faggoty-assed cuckservatives 20 years ago?"

where were you 20 years ago?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 02, 2016 2:13 PM  

Conker wrote:What's wrong with Asians in America? Hardest working people with an average IQ higher than that of whites. Should they be lumped in with blacks and Hispanics and be repatriated?

Have you ever lived among Asians? Their racist tribalism makes Jews look deracinated. The only value Whites have in their eyes is as middle managers extracting money out of other Whites, Blacks and Mexicans, and as sex toys.

Blogger RobertT April 02, 2016 2:50 PM  

I don't really buy this. I'm white as the falling snow. With the exception of two indian tribes. my entire heritage is Northern Europe. So that I'll buy. But I'm neither dispossessed or disadvantaged. Nor is anyone I know who's supporting Trump. I honestly believe you have an ability to develop a coherent thought to support Trump. My guess is the low iq types, who are most likely to be dispossessed or disadvantaged, support Hilary or Bernie.

Blogger RobertT April 02, 2016 2:50 PM  

I don't really buy this. I'm white as the falling snow. With the exception of two indian tribes. my entire heritage is Northern Europe. So that I'll buy. But I'm neither dispossessed or disadvantaged. Nor is anyone I know who's supporting Trump. I honestly believe you have an ability to develop a coherent thought to support Trump. My guess is the low iq types, who are most likely to be dispossessed or disadvantaged, support Hilary or Bernie.

Anonymous Takin' a Look April 02, 2016 3:02 PM  

@ Nate...ya know, for all your intelligence in some areas you really do sperg out on Whites needing to "buck up" and accept responsibility for their situation. Even though we are trout with ravenous lampreys scooping holes out of us and cheater males cucking our hard-won eggs.

One group of people I will clap happily to see jerking and twisting in the wind on the DoTR will be farmers and ranchers. Those bastards are every bit as evil and traitorous as the bankstas and cucks. Their love of cheap brown low iq labor was so out of control, Eisenhower had Operation Wetback. It gave breathing room for whites and blacks who were low skilled agricultural workers. But as ever, the confluence of events worked together to ensure that the masssive turd world hordes returned. Mostly because we didnt want to pay higher wages for white people who were "beneath us"

As for me, I have no influence and twenty years ago I had no influence or knowledge. That should be good enough for your data spider. If not, tough.

Anonymous Takin' a Look April 02, 2016 3:07 PM  

@ RobertT

Solopsism doesn't become you.
As for the Berniebots, at least 10% state they will vote trump if rodan gets the nom. I suspect the actual numbers will climb very rapidly as the chicanery of the DNC and the minorities disillusion the Whites so much, the Dems effectively become the Black Party.

Anonymous Dave April 02, 2016 3:16 PM  

"Should [Asians] be lumped in with blacks and Hispanics and be repatriated?"

If they'll obey the law, pay taxes, and not vote, let them stay, but don't let them breed with whites. Miscegenation is unfair to Asian men and White women, and "hapa" kids are seriously messed up, like they have a race riot inside their heads.

Anonymous Craigp April 02, 2016 4:28 PM  

also I wanted to apologize for a lot of childish offensive and immature things, that I am deeply ashamed of that I said here in 2004-2006, hope to not make a fool of myself this time around

Blogger Robert What? April 02, 2016 4:42 PM  

I am very sympathetic to the White (Red) Nationalist movement and I am of Jewish ancestry. But then, I've always been an outlier.

Anonymous Discard April 02, 2016 4:51 PM  

Robert T: So, you're neither dispossessed nor disadvantaged. Good for you. Maybe your employer has not been forced to adopt affirmative action hiring. Maybe your skills are so rare that you have no competition. Maybe you live in a Whitopia.

I am not low IQ, but I never imagined that the sort of manual work I like and am good at would be sent overseas. I never imagined that employers would prefer less able non-Whites over myself. If I'd seen what was coming, I would have stopped and regrouped, but I did not imagine that the country would throw away its jobs and its people. I don't think you or very many other people did either, but your abilities and your choices fortuitously kept you out of harm's way.

Unless you think that having your town taken over by Mexicans or Armenians or Chinese and run by them and for them is not dispossession.

Blogger Sheila4g April 02, 2016 5:02 PM  

@8 old man in a villa: ". . . the flat out dishonesty and hypocrisy of the new normal. This guys writes cogent sentences, he obviously believes he understands the causation of our current discord and yet he lies so effectively that he actually believes what he is saying."

I'd give him a B for effort and a C for finished product. The first comment at the original site says the purported "Nazi" girl who learned a language in 2 weeks was the plot of a (recent?) movie. Overall, the tone managed to remain faintly sanctimonious, despite the author's purported epiphany that White Nationalists are not genetically evil. They're merely poor, misguided souls.

At least nowhere did he use the detested "Judeo-Christian" label. I'll give him that much. Instead, he boosted "West European" culture, while studiously avoiding that only one race gave birth to and nurtured that culture. Despite lists of awards and claims of credentialism since 1945 (or even 1875), it's not the race that his ancestors were part of.

Anonymous BGKB April 02, 2016 5:39 PM  

Have you ever lived among Asians? When Asians talk about respecting elders they don't mean an old Asian they don't know.

I'm white as the falling snow... But I'm neither dispossessed or disadvantaged.

With Pigford and the Hispanic version of Pigford the govt basically handed out $50k checks to any Non Asian minority willing to lie, and promised they wouldn't investigate at all for fraud. If you don't think you are being dispossessed visit your local city ER waiting room on a Friday night, and realize your taxes are paying for all of them.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2016 5:40 PM  

" Even though we are trout with ravenous lampreys scooping holes out of us and cheater males cucking our hard-won eggs. "

psht.

That's because when you talk like this you sound like such wimps. oh noes the dangerous lampreys! i mean you're talking about blacks and browns and jews here.

You're like great white sharks complaining about the evil mean grouper that are schooling around.

Anonymous Takin' a Look April 02, 2016 5:58 PM  

@ Nate

Okay Mister White Shark, do RealTalk every day with Whites who have the survival instincts of rats infected with Toxoplasmosis gondii. See how far it gets you when the OTHER white sharks eat you alive. Don't even worry about the other fish.

Most of us are not as fortuitous, intelligent, well-placed and quite frankly, lucky as you are.

You told a fella in another thread about pipefitting jobs for whites in Alabama. That was was very nice but also proved his point. The majority of the White nation, if you are not Legacy, you are fucked.

OpenID paworldandtimes April 02, 2016 6:12 PM  

Whites are the exact opposite of Jews in that we can't graft ourselves to another's social pyramid to skim off it and intermarry into and still remain who we are.

White prospects are not dependent on individual excellence (except in key places, but not for the mass of us). Our long-term prospects are dependent on having a purely homogeneous or effectively segregated society within which to live.

This is why a race-aware upper middle class White man feels a pang of despair when he sees a brown foreigner working in a convenience store. We really do need a pure habitat. This is also why rooted communities and strong extended family networks are important for us.

PA

Anonymous Craig April 02, 2016 6:14 PM  

lol at the name "BigGayKoranBurner" that's so internet,

the best part is that the individual is big,

Anonymous Craigp April 02, 2016 6:26 PM  

and I wanted to apologize to Vox personally bc my "ways" on this site were just so generally snake-like and treacherous

Anonymous BGKB April 02, 2016 6:58 PM  

lol at the name "BigGayKoranBurner" that's so internet,the best part is that the individual is big

It turns out koranburningfaggot was already trademarked by an author.

race-aware upper middle class White man feels a pang of despair when he sees a brown foreigner working in a convenience store.

Its not that we need a pure habitat its just that others don't share our work ethic, & the brown foreinger is less likely to wash his hands after going to the bathroom. Bangladeshis evolved to live & survive in sewage while being better off drinking water their upstream neighbor bathed in than UNICIFs arsenic water. http://www.eutimes.net/2010/04/uk-allows-muslim-nurses-to-not-wash-to-protect-their-modesty/
Also brown people wont intercept their breaks to save the life of a white person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/9162051/Woman-died-after-Muslim-nurse-refused-to-help-as-he-was-praying.html

In fact other than defibrillators all the CPR changes have been done in hopes that whites will be more likely to do CPR on others because non whites sure wont do it.

Anonymous BGKB April 02, 2016 7:07 PM  

I said before about gay Hispanic nurses changing little boys diapers...

Anonymous Anonymous April 02, 2016 7:17 PM  

I just want to be able to live in a 100% homogeneous white society. I don't want to live, work, or go to school around non-whites. But there is nowhere you can run to escape from non-whites, not even Europe. That's what makes people angry. We are forced against our will by the government to exist around people we hate.

OpenID denektenorsk April 02, 2016 10:03 PM  

There are basic jobs that have to get done. Whites can set themselves up as overlords... or they can breed.

Right now they are doing neither.


These jobs can get done by your fellow countrymen and women. Yes, you might have to pay more than $6/hour. Perish the thought.

For that matter, one could take the approach of the Japanese. They let Koreans in to do the shitty labour, but they don't become Japanese Japanese.

Which brings me to another point - if you want to see naked racism ask a first generation Chinese immigrant what they think about the Japanese. Nanking is apparently still a bit of a sore spot.

Blogger Doc Rampage April 02, 2016 10:33 PM  

Saying it doesn't make it so. "Conservate" means what people think it means, not what you dug up in some obscure book from the 50s. And what it means is dedication to certain principles. It has nothing to do with conserving anything. American conservatives want to change a lot more things about this country than Leftists do.

And "conservatism" doesn't have any responsibilities, least of all to defend Western culture. That is a job for people, not ideologies.

Blogger praetorian April 02, 2016 11:00 PM  

They were not born in the Matrix to begin with.

Excellent point, Nate.

Josh, I think some of the delta in ((())) blame may come from there too: urban converts to WN see a lot more of the parens, and are more viscerally pissed about it.

Anonymous David James April 03, 2016 12:52 AM  

"Now, I am not a white nationalist for the obvious reason that I am a red nationalist. Also, and more importantly, there is no white nation; only in America can anyone even contemplate the concept."


Then how does your vision of America differ from that of white nationalists? You have also said you desire a repatriation of the post-1965 non-European immigrants.

To be sure, you have also said that such repatriation is not feasible. But the point is that you seem to advocate an America that is almost identical to what white nationalists themselves advocate.

Blogger 1337kestrel April 03, 2016 1:23 AM  

childish offensive and immature things, that I am deeply ashamed of that I said here in 2004-2006,

Harry Lime? Go forth, and sin no more.

I'm much more optimistic on the genetic future of mankind than most. Of course we need to reverse some trends.

Anonymous Discard April 03, 2016 2:11 AM  

If you said something offensive and childish ten years ago, just change your handle and keep quiet about it. This is the internet. Nobody will know or care.

Blogger Rusty Fife April 03, 2016 5:36 AM  

Discard wrote:If you said something offensive and childish ten years ago, just change your handle and keep quiet about it. This is the internet. Nobody will know or care.

Don't harsh his mellow. Asking for forgiveness is difficult and an important Christian activity.

Granted, I wasn't around nor offended 10yrs ago either.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 03, 2016 7:49 AM  

"...you have also said that such repatriation is not feasible."

What IS feasible is, in whatever way it might happen, the appropriation of suitable land on which to live in a homogeneous white nation. White people have done that before in history. An ever-growing number of white people are waking up to the fact that they have been propagandized, over decades, into feeling guilty about being white, and into denying the facts of history concerning what is manifestly true regarding the magnificent cultural, scientific and philosophical contribution of white people to western civilization. This propaganda was employed by an enemy force in order to divide and conquer the white Christian culture, and thus to subdue it. White people created western civilization subsequent to Christ's advent 2000 years ago. The enemy has been diligently working to destroy that civilization ever since. Of course, it is now verboten to point that out.

Anonymous Craig April 03, 2016 11:33 PM  

and I these largely share your view of the republican party in general, though I did like Bush, as a whole it seems the main purpose of the GOP is to just -be annoying- not un like the mainstream media in general

Anonymous Discard April 04, 2016 1:44 AM  

94. Rusty Fife: I stand corrected.

Anonymous Discard April 04, 2016 1:47 AM  

95. Michael O'Duibhir: Repatriation is always feasible. Are not Whites being displaced from the places we grew up, the towns our fathers and grandfathers built? If we can be pushed aside, so can they.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 04, 2016 7:43 AM  

"If we can be pushed aside, so can they."

At a local Home Depot last week a 60-ish female employee who was assisting me, an affable redneck lady who has assisted me in the past, mentioned something about her insurance premiums rising. She said that she phoned the agency and asked why the increase and was told that it was due to rising prices in the overall economy. From there our conversation eventually evolved into the awful condition that our country was in and just "who" was ultimately behind it all. So, here we have what would be stereotyped as a redneck, NASCAR, DWTS devotee, and she gets it. People are talking. There is hope.

Anonymous Craig April 04, 2016 9:18 AM  

actually to say the main purpose of the GOP is to be annoying is not accurate either, a major purpose of the media and the entertainment industry is to be annoying (though they manage to be slightly entertaining once in a rare while imo, but its not worth the time investment to be sunjected to all the annoying parts) and the GOP get caught up in that culture and become a part of it in ,... but putting that aside the GOP problem is they are mixed bag of sincere people and dirty treasonous traitors who I think outnumber the sincere ones (I wouldn't know how bad the ratio is now bc I stopped paying attention a long time ago) they have to round up the traitors and kick them out the party

Anonymous Craig April 04, 2016 10:01 AM  

and they also have to clearly define what their beliefs are as a party, nad if people don't believe in those things that they shouldn't be in the party

Anonymous Craig April 04, 2016 10:38 AM  

well now that I got all that off my chest, im gonna make an effort to stay away from this very awesome high quality site. I think Vox sets a great example for everyone, For my own personal reasons I have to leave bc internet message boards cause me problems nd staying here would be like a recovering alcoholic hanging out a bar, and .most everything I disagreed with Vox with about 10 years ago I realized that Vox was right, Peace,

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