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Saturday, April 23, 2016

A message for the conservative establishment

Milo thunders like the prophets of yore:
I have a message for the conservative establishment: you fucked up big time… The assorted, well-fed, burbling lunatics, idiots and losers of the conservative media establishment and in conservative circles in general… These useless, fat blubbering losers!

“You conservatives made all the right noises but you have no appetite whatsoever to fix anything. You allowed the Left to continue to gain ground and gain ground and gain ground until a point at which — and I don’t think this is an exaggeration to say — the fabric of western culture is now at risk. From immigration, from multiculturalism, from the lies the Left tells.

Trump and I represent something that scares the Left — the utter, wholesale rejection of political correctness. Total defiance. The idea you don’t back down, you double down. When somebody comes to my event and says they’re offended by a joke, I rack my brain for a more offensive one… Trump does the same thing.

He has shown the one thing that no conservative politician or pundit or anybody really on the political Right in American public life has done for some 30 years. He has shown fearlessness, he’s not afraid of the Left. And that inspires terror in their hearts and I’m the same, I like to think.
Regardless of what you think of Milo, he is absolutely and utterly correct to condemn the craven conservative establishment in this manner. Their spirit of fear is not God-given, and their vaunted ideological principles have proven to be entirely nonexistent.

As my co-author, Red Eagle, conclusively demonstrated in Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America, conservatism is not even an ideology per se, but rather, an attitude, or to be less kind, a pose.
The early new rightists were interested in discerning the deeper roots of historical American political thought, and in turning its various strains into a viable, coherent political tradition. Some of them looked so deeply that they found inspiration from decidedly non-American sources, such as British conservative political thought. The latter was a generally elitist tradition, openly contemptuous of American-style independent citizenry and the freewheeling style of American political discourse. Among the leaders of this Anglophile camp was Russell Kirk, who is generally credited with coining the American use of the term conservative as a distinct political label. His most famous work, The Conservative Mind, proved to be quickly and profoundly influential soon after its publication in 1953. Kirk’s book synthesized various ideas from diverse 18th- and 19th-century thinkers, most prominently Edmund Burke, into six canons, or principles, of this new conservatism:
  1. Belief in a transcendent order, or body, of natural law, which rules society as well as conscience.
  2. Affection for the proliferating variety and mystery of human existence, as opposed to the narrowing uniformity, egalitarianism, and utilitarian aims of most radical systems.
  3. Conviction that civilized society requires orders and classes, as against the notion of a “classless society.”
  4. Persuasion that freedom and property are closely linked.
  5. Custom, convention, and old prescription are checks both upon man’s anarchic impulse and upon the innovator’s lust for power.
  6. Recognition that change may not be salutory reform: hasty innovation may be a devouring conflagration, rather than a torch of progress. Society must alter, for prudent change is the means of social preservation; but a statesman must take Providence into his calculations.
Whatever the left may say about them, Kirk’s principles are hardly the stuff of SS rallies. As a set of ideas, they’re not particularly systematic, particularly when compared with more radical philosophies like Marxism and its innumerable offshoots, or at the other extreme, the Objectivism of Ayn Rand. They are arguably more a set of generalized assertions and attitudes rather than principles per se. Even so, they do represent a particular worldview, though it is not the worldview of the Founding Fathers or of the early American political generations. Notice as well that several of these principles are primarily defined by that which they opposed: the dominant left-liberal worldview of the mid-20th century. From their very beginning the principles of conservatism were subordinate and defensive in nature, or less charitably, they were submissive and passive-aggressive in their relation to the left.
Conservatism cannot win. It cannot even conserve. If the West is to survive, it needs to abandon its consistent failures of the past and confidently embrace the pillars of its foundation: Christianity, the European nations, science, and capitalism. Any other strategy will fail. Any man who considers himself a Man of the West would do well to abandon the conservative establishment; it has already abandoned you.

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161 Comments:

Blogger Orville April 23, 2016 8:42 AM  

Wow. In all my 30 plus years as a former conservative, I was never exposed to Russell Kirk or explicitly to those six points. Seeing them in print I disagree with at least half of them. This is more like the Grand Old Fogey get off my lawn party of the country club set. Status Quo old chap.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 23, 2016 8:44 AM  

I'm not sure a movement needs to be systematic. It MUST be pragmatic. The Left is notorious for ill-reasoned dogmas. A policy of, "If it's not broken, don't fix it," works OK.

Anonymous Instasetting April 23, 2016 8:49 AM  

Since the Europeans killed themselves massively in two world wars, gave birth to Communism, had to be rescued THREE times (One, Two, and Cold), don't defend themselves now, are atheist, I'm curious what I'm supposed to learn from them.

Anonymous Modoc April 23, 2016 8:51 AM  

Amen. Do we need nationalist Christian parties? Most of the Elders at the church I attend say we do not, government must be secular. I disagree, but do not see a way to peaceful self segregation. We need a way to identify and congregate.

Blogger Orville April 23, 2016 8:51 AM  

There's the old pattern of Man, Movement, Machine and finally Monument with conflict being the initial driver of men and movements. The "systems" people step in during the machine phase. As far as I can tell this pattern is one of those unavoidable historical cycles. It may be that Kirk and his ilk were the systematizers and not the originators of the movement.

Anonymous Sam thre Man April 23, 2016 8:53 AM  

Edmond Burke was attractive back then because of his writings "Reflections on the French Revolution". In it he predicts all of the horrors to come out of that in the year 1789, if my memory serves me correctly. It was a sharp rebuke of unconstrained Utopianism. I think that what the conservative movement back in the period after WWII/Korea was trying to do was to come out with its own intellectual tradition to fight both the democratic new deal /Stalinist utopian visions.

At the same time I think they were internally fighting against the Taft view of freedom vs the Russell Kirk traditionalist movement, though I am less well educated on those movements, but that the Libertarian unconstrained view effectively ended with the election of Ike in 1952. However I think the internal fight was between a form of constrained traditionalism and unconstrained libertarianism as the guiding light of the individual.

I suppose what I am trying to say is the 1953 attempt to list some guiding principles was an attempt to form some ideals that could be intellectually defended considering the threats of that day. To really understand them, you have to do a careful study of what they saw as the major threats of the day, both internal and external. I think, from my limited reading that the real focus was sort of pragmatism based on reality, and that overlaying Burke was an attempt to overlay that man's ideals on what they saw as a similar situation to 1789, where communism was equated to the principles of the French revolution. So the response was both against the external authoritarian of Stalin and the internal threat of Libertarian willingness to throw traditions away in an effort to make a better society.

Not all that different than today. We all want to believe in freedom, but pragmatically open borders will end that. We all want to allow freedom of conscious and religion, but allowing in Muslims will eventually lead to battles over that enlightenment precept. In every generation there is a need to balance ones supposed principles against simple pragmatism.

Blogger Orville April 23, 2016 8:53 AM  

In any case, conservatism as we know it, is a weathered leaning monument in the back corner of the graveyard.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 23, 2016 8:59 AM  

I'll extend my comments...

Vox makes a good point. Buckley famously said that a conservative stands athwart the train tracks of history shouting, "Stop!"

That's a way to get run over, not win. We need a more aggressive stance. Kirk's principles are sound, but very high-level and intellectual.

But the big issue isn't ideas, its implementation. The objective is not to stop the left, it's to undo the madness and replace it with something that works. To go on the offensive. Half the frustration with the GOPe comes from their lack of fight.

Blogger Lovekraft April 23, 2016 9:13 AM  

The tendency to be healthily skeptical of power and authority is a fundamental tenet of Christianity, IMO. Those who speak of Christ's teachings being a simplified version of sandbox feelz fail in applying a harsh critical eye to any and all claims.

Once one has seen the result of, for example, multiculturalism one is faced with two options: 1. begin the process of dismantling this failed experiment completely, or 2. continue drinking the kool-aid while ignoring the violence and destruction in the forced integration.

The danger in the first approach may be the pendulum swinging too far the other way: hunting down those who enabled and excused the sin. This is to be actively discouraged. But it in no way limits the responsibility and duty of the Christian to shine a revealing light on the wicked.

Finally, the marxists, a godless, mischievous, parasitic lot look to the state to save them, completely ignorant to the historically-proven record of this resulting in more and more tyranny.

The Christian fully understand the temporal nature of any man-made construct and sets his sights on higher Truth, even if this is fraught with worldly danger.

Blogger Dexter April 23, 2016 9:19 AM  

Do we need nationalist Christian parties? Most of the Elders at the church I attend say we do not, government must be secular.

I said at my church once, "you might as well openly seek theocratic government, because the Left is always going to accuse you of wanting that anyway."

They stared at me in bafflement.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 23, 2016 9:25 AM  

"Belief in a transcendent order, or body, of natural law, which rules society as well as conscience."

I'm seeing the term, "natural law", as a substitution for God's Law and therefore just another step toward 'do what thou wilt'.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 23, 2016 9:28 AM  

I love Milo.

No homo.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 23, 2016 9:31 AM  

Papa Conservative ceded the Moral Level of political conflict to Big Momma Liberal and her unruly spawn Radical Child. When it really counts never cede the Moral Level to women in general. Honestly I thought you Christians knew that?

But here we are in 2016 and all those great conservative intellectuals are scolding the alt-right for our transgressions against the 3 Deadly Sins, "Sexism, Racism and Homophobia, and Big Momma and Radical Child reservedly applaud

Anonymous Athor Pel April 23, 2016 9:34 AM  

"9. Lovekraft April 23, 2016 9:13 AM
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The danger in the first approach may be the pendulum swinging too far the other way: hunting down those who enabled and excused the sin. This is to be actively discouraged.
..."


Too late. The pendulum is already swinging back and it's going to swing back very very far indeed because it was pushed so far the other way.

Besides, the unrepentant deserve it and the truly repentant desire punishment for themselves.

If you can't see or hear the beast waking up you need to listen and watch more closely.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 23, 2016 9:35 AM  


Look at Frank Raymond. He has an interesting perspective on the Western elite establishment and
White Genocide.

He is non-white himself but rejects the anti-white agenda. Very interesting.

Frank Raymond - The Caucasian Mind: Transcending Biological Needs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEP0294BhLI

Anonymous ZhukovG April 23, 2016 9:35 AM  

The Alt-Right does not stand on the train tracks of history and we needn't yell anything. We a stand a good distance to the 'Right' , sighting in on the 'Train' with a Rocket Propelled Grenade.

Blogger Lovekraft April 23, 2016 9:37 AM  

@ 14. I agree that the dogs of war are lathering at their leashes. But I also believe wise minds will always prevail. This social media fad of having morons like Lindy West spouting their drivel is fast fading because she and her ilk have lost the debate.

What the Christian has to realize is that he should be wary of being the dupe.

Blogger tz April 23, 2016 9:41 AM  

It became like the not quite two party system. NR and Buckley became the right, sort of pre-ocon warmongers worried about the USSR as the neo-cons more recently and purged the traditional and libertarian wings. Even Cato purged Rothbard.
But this cuck right was as out of touch with reality as the socialist left.

Both wanted to replace Western Civilization with something better, only their vain imaginings weren't. Globalism, crony corporatism, whatever. Free markets an effect, not a cause. Self governing as well. Feminism light and backdoor population control were popular.

It has now gone too far. Trump authoritarian? More than the PC SJWs who insist bathrooms aren't binary? We need force to destroy force. God will not be mocked but is merciful.

Blogger pyrrhus April 23, 2016 9:42 AM  

Conservatives used to understand and emphasize the crucial difference between liberty and license. Now they don't, so license proceeds unchecked under the rubric of "freedom." Game lost.....I am now a reactionary, it's all that's left.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore April 23, 2016 9:44 AM  

The further down I go into the rabbit hole, the more I find myself battling mainstream conservatives and libertarians than SJWs and liberals.

Blogger FALPhil April 23, 2016 9:45 AM  

@6 . To really understand them, you have to do a careful study of what they saw as the major threats of the day, both internal and external. 

Correct. A hermeneutical approach is the only way to derive maximum wisdom from historic writings.

Blogger dienw April 23, 2016 9:47 AM  

@13. You are confusing the traditional conservatism of Kirk and his fellows with the Trotskyite Neo-cons who took over the conservative movement in the mid 1970s; even Buckley, a CIA asset, purged the older conservatism from his brand; the Neo-cons who took control of National Review in the late 90s in turn purged Buckley's brand of conservatism.

Blogger tz April 23, 2016 9:51 AM  

@11 - The Founding Fathers, nor Aquinas would have seen any difference where it applies to Civil law. Romans says the Gentiles - Pagans had reason and conscience so were guilty of intention, not mere negligence.

One can't be too careful with co-opted meanings, but Natural law is what CS Lewis called the Tao in Abolition of Man.

That is a key difference - reason must dominate, else "biblical" law becomes another form of Sharia - the Muslim's "god's law". While localities might pass Sunday blue laws, it is best to confine the civil law to the three commandments dealing with violence, theft, and fraud which are clearly reasonable, even to atheists.

Blogger tz April 23, 2016 9:53 AM  

The alt-right places a "Bridge Out" sign on the train-tracks of history within stopping distance, then makes pop-corn since they expect it to be ignored.

Blogger dienw April 23, 2016 10:06 AM  

tz wrote:The alt-right places a "Bridge Out" sign on the train-tracks of history within stopping distance, then makes pop-corn since they expect it to be ignored.

If Milo is speaking for the alt-right, then the alt-right is an electric bumper train running back and forth on a short, narrow gauge track having cement obstacles at both ends: the alt-right is cut off from the past, has no future, and has no idea from whence comes the electricity: the alt-right has only its lusts to guide it.

Blogger Mother Effingby April 23, 2016 10:06 AM  

Trump. Not a right-winger. Not a left-winger. He's the middle finger. Be the middle finger.

Blogger Phelps April 23, 2016 10:09 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWVxI6XZAuE

Blogger praetorian April 23, 2016 10:10 AM  

The alt right is going to blow the tracks and cut the breaks.

We are going to crash this train, with no survivors.

Blogger guest April 23, 2016 10:14 AM  

Yeah, Trump is as far left as it gets. The LWNJ aren't complaining that Trump is too far right, even if that were to be a position in the middle. They are complaining that Trump is a viable competitor to Clinton, on the left. Their squeals of damage got louder when Trump, ever the deviant, stated that men should be allowed to urinate in the same public space as girls and women.
Well, well, well. A people deserve the government they get.

Blogger Nick S April 23, 2016 10:14 AM  

If the West is to survive, it needs to abandon its consistent failures of the past and confidently embrace the pillars of its foundation: Christianity, the European nations, science, and capitalism.

This deserves to be expanded with a little more comprehensive specificity. Works to reference?

Blogger Dexter April 23, 2016 10:22 AM  

If the West is to survive, it needs to abandon its consistent failures of the past and confidently embrace the pillars of its foundation: Christianity, the European nations, science, and capitalism.

And the obvious problem is that the Left has successfully infiltrated, undermined, and seriously if not fatally weakened each of these.

You are confusing the traditional conservatism of Kirk and his fellows with the Trotskyite Neo-cons who took over the conservative movement in the mid 1970s; even Buckley, a CIA asset, purged the older conservatism from his brand; the Neo-cons who took control of National Review in the late 90s in turn purged Buckley's brand of conservatism.

In short, conservatism has utterly failed to conserve itself - so how can it be expected to conserve anything else?

Blogger VD April 23, 2016 10:25 AM  

had to be rescued THREE times (One, Two, and Cold)

That makes no sense. Europe had to be rescued from Europeans?

OpenID vfmshadow0342 April 23, 2016 10:32 AM  

@25:

Cyrus the Persian and Nebuchnezzar did the bidding of God (unlike the Kingdom of Judah).

The Lord works in mysterious ways.....

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 23, 2016 10:32 AM  

Dexter wrote:I said at my church once, "you might as well openly seek theocratic government, because the Left is always going to accuse you of wanting that anyway."
So in reaction you'd make the left's accusations true, rather than pushing for what's actually good for you (which theocracy almost certainly is not)?

Blogger guest April 23, 2016 10:32 AM  

Yeah, Trump is as far left as it gets. The LWNJ aren't complaining that Trump is too far right, even if that were to be a position in the middle. They are complaining that Trump is a viable competitor to Clinton, on the left. Their squeals of damage got louder when Trump, ever the deviant, stated that men should be allowed to urinate in the same public space as girls and women.
Well, well, well. A people deserve the government they get.

Blogger Nate April 23, 2016 10:37 AM  

"Trump and I represent something that scares the Left — the utter, wholesale rejection of political correctness. Total defiance. The idea you don’t back down, you double down."

I think those of you who really believe this... should accept the possibility that you are going to be very disappointed.

Blogger dienw April 23, 2016 10:38 AM  

In short, conservatism has utterly failed to conserve itself - so how can it be expected to conserve anything else?

You're blind: you ignore or refuse to acknowledge infiltration of movements and philosophies by outside parties who wish to affect their nature and direction: I gave you a hint that Buckley was a CIA asset; he was sent in to redirect conservatism to meet the needs of the intelligence deep state. Under Buckley's influence, the neo-cons were permitted to enter the movement posing as "true" conservatives while denigrating and ostracizing older conservatives as "paleo-conservatives."

Blogger VD April 23, 2016 10:39 AM  

Yeah, Trump is as far left as it gets.

That is either a very dishonest or a very ignorant statement. Trump wouldn't even qualify as Left by European standards.

Blogger VD April 23, 2016 10:42 AM  

I think those of you who really believe this... should accept the possibility that you are going to be very disappointed.

Read again and pay particular attention to the word "represent". Trump does represent that better than anyone else on the national political scene. That doesn't dictate his decisions in office should he win.

What many anti-Trump conservatives completely fail to grasp is the symbolic aspect of the Trump candidacy. It's like watching dialecticians criticize rhetoric.

Blogger Mark April 23, 2016 10:43 AM  

Trump and I represent something that scares the Left — the utter, wholesale rejection of political correctness.

That's pretty hilarious coming just a few days after Trump caved to the nonsensical (but PC) men in women's bathrooms. And then of course because his instincts are so bad he has to be corrected later with the states' rights.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni April 23, 2016 10:45 AM  

Wasn't African slavery the first great multicultural experiment? How did that work out for the American nation? There was reason behind the early abolitionists' attempts to return freed slaves to Liberia.

Blogger Nate April 23, 2016 10:50 AM  

Ahem... be sure to mouse over the disco ball.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 23, 2016 10:53 AM  

“You conservatives made all the right noises but you have no appetite whatsoever to fix anything. You allowed the Left to continue to gain ground and gain ground and gain ground until a point at which — and I don’t think this is an exaggeration to say — the fabric of western culture is now at risk.

Without question. Look at the Indiana GOP Senate race. McConnel is backing Todd Young who is very much a middle of the road, pro-immigration guy versus the hard right Marlin Stutzman.

Now, I'm realistic enough to admit you would have run somebody like Young in Maine, if he was to have any chance at all. But there is no reason in hell to run a guy like Young in reliably right wing Indiana.

So why back him? Because Cuck calls to Cuck that's why. Purging the GOP is going to have to be job one. Or starting our own party and letting the Republicans die on the vine.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 April 23, 2016 10:54 AM  

"That's pretty hilarious coming just a few days after Trump caved to the nonsensical (but PC) men in women's bathrooms"

If you bother reading his statement, Trump is completely ambigious, and says nothing.

Also, the bathroom bill is a logical extension of the 'freedom' and 'equality' nonsense preached in this country.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 23, 2016 10:54 AM  

@42 Nate

I'm wearing my only purple tee-shirt.

Anonymous A Visitor April 23, 2016 11:00 AM  

“I’m tired of the generation that’s been raised to think everyone should feel sorry for them,' Yiannopoulos added to the roaring applause of a crowd of over 300."

THIS!!!!

It sounds like he quickly and effectively shut down a bunch of "protected" groups there.

"These episodes characterized the sometimes raunchy, nearly always combative spirit of the night, but most of the attendees and questioners were on Milo’s side. And nearly all of them were under 30."

Note the next sentence where they say it was not your grandfather's convention. The Daily Caller unless I'm mistaken is a lib rag. I was having a debate yesterday with a good friend (who is a dual citizen), his brother-in-law, and cousin-in-law; there was some serious lack of understanding. I pointed out, and his cousin-in-law concurred, that the media is controlled by the Left. End of story. So, to all the people ambivalent about the Donald's chances of winning in November, stop caring what the Left says, what the polls say, etc. With regards to what people think of Milo, etc. stop caring!

"But the main reason for Milo’s appeal among right-leaning college students and other young people is his war on political correctness. A phenomenon which has dominated college campuses."

It was bad enough when I was in undergrad during the mid to late 2000's. I can only imagine how bad it's gotten now, as reading about it only takes me so far.

“I have a message for the conservative establishment,” he declared in his speech, “you fucked up big time… The assorted, well-fed, burbling lunatics, idiots and losers of the conservative media establishment and in conservative circles in general… These useless, fat blubbering losers!”
“You [conservatives] made all the right noises but you have no appetite whatsoever to fix anything. You allowed the Left to continue to gain ground and gain ground and gain ground until a point at which — and I don’t think this is an exaggeration to say — the fabric of western culture is now at risk. From immigration, from multiculturalism, from the lies the Left tells.”

Pretty much.

"Conservatism cannot win. It cannot even conserve. If the West is to survive, it needs to abandon its consistent failures of the past and confidently embrace the pillars of its foundation: Christianity, the European nations, science, and capitalism. Any other strategy will fail. Any man who considers himself a Man of the West would do well to abandon the conservative establishment; it has already abandoned you."

I don't consider myself a conservative anymore, haven't for some time.

@1 I own a copy of Redeeming the Time. The frank problem is so few under 30 (I'll be 30 in December) have heard of him or other "icons" of the "conservative movement." The disconnect is huge but not surprising.

@3 Their roots. Or, if you want a current example, look at Poland.
"Vox makes a good point. Buckley famously said that a conservative stands athwart the train tracks of history shouting, "Stop!" "

@8 So dynamite the tracks, kill the conductor, build new tracks that simply demonstrate the locomotive at a fixed place in time, and kill anyone who tries to remove the train? Check!

@16 Is it an RPG-7 Stroke D or an RPG-31?

@26 Look here for further advice on that.

@38 Very true

@42 It didn't do anything.

@43 Thank you! Also, it's an open secret here but Cruz is trying to get our delegates to commit before the May 3rd primary.

Blogger Jeff D April 23, 2016 11:03 AM  

What many anti-Trump conservatives completely fail to grasp is the symbolic aspect of the Trump candidacy.

I don't know about "many anti-Trump conservatives," but I grasp that. Hop on board the empty symbolism train! No thanks. This is like, the real world we are talking about and stuff.

Anonymous PUMPsix April 23, 2016 11:03 AM  

Conservatism will become the new "In Thing." Even the Alt-Right hates us.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 April 23, 2016 11:03 AM  

@46:

I've heard Kasich has made inroads on Indiana delegates (about half).

Confirm or Deny?

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 23, 2016 11:04 AM  

OT: Love the mirror ball! Remember the Purple One!

NFL has released Prince's full 12-minute Superbowl XLI halftime show.

Anonymous Pax_Romana April 23, 2016 11:08 AM  

@42 I woke up this morning, and VP had turned into a MySpace page. Long live the early 00's!

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 23, 2016 11:09 AM  

Apologies wrong link. Correct link.

Anonymous Ain’t Too Fat To Fly April 23, 2016 11:12 AM  

Disco ball erratum: remove “isn’t”, insert “ain’t”.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 23, 2016 11:13 AM  

Mark...conservatives cave. It is what they do. Trump opines randomly off-policy and is satirically repetitive on-policy.

Learn the difference. It is the opposite of the hypermassaged Cruz-like candidate you have grown accustomed to since Reagan.

If you are behind on Aristotle's Rhetoric, go now and dive in.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 23, 2016 11:17 AM  

“Conservatives couldn’t even conserve conservatism”.

Succinct rhetoric, bumper-sticker sized.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 23, 2016 11:19 AM  

praetorian wrote:The alt right is going to blow the tracks and cut the breaks.

We are going to crash this train, with no survivors.

Bad idea. The train simile is tempting, but a comparison to a ship is better. If the ship of society sinks, we ALL drown.

No. We're going to take the engine room and bridge, and get the ship turned into safe, deep water far from storms, shoals, and icebergs.

Blogger Mike Romkey April 23, 2016 11:27 AM  

I have no problem with Burke, Kirk or Buckley, or the generalization that it is wise, when confronting political or social innovation -- same-sex marriage, for example -- to look to tradition, history, and institutions (such as the church, which has, alas, tended to fail us lately) to see what they have to say, and to be skeptical about what at the moment seems like a good idea, but that might not be good over the long haul.

That said, changing times call for changing strategies. Conservatism as it has functioned over the past 50 years, and the Republican Party, have needed, but failed, to adopt more aggressive ways to confront the forces assaulting our country, our culture, and our civilization.

We have allowed the other side to dictate the terms of debate and fallen into the PC trap that makes it impossible to win when the new Rule 1 is don't say anything to hurt anybody's feelings, and the new Rule 2 is be polite.

If there is anything lacking in Kirk's summation, in my opinion, it is the gentlemanly nod toward plurality and variety. While not in itself wrong, it has been used as a club with which to beat us all over the head. "Affection for the proliferating variety and mystery of human existence" is, in my mind, a good thing, but that does not mean all things are good, or useful, or equal. Indeed, some things are bad and harmful and deserve condemnation.

It seems to me the abandonment of the Kirk's first order -- belief in transcendent values -- is the keystone without which all things collapse. That collapse is what we now witness.

We need a more vigorous and dare I say manly conservatism, call it alt-right or whatever label serves.

I agree with Nick S in wishing to see a more in-depth discussion of your prescription to embrace the four pillars: Christianity, Europe, science and capitalism.

Blogger Josh April 23, 2016 11:27 AM  

Vox, are you aware of this?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/meganapper/prince-once-wrote-a-donald-trump-song-and-it-is-spectacular?utm_term=.geJq8lPrk#.mg58YwoRd

Blogger Josh April 23, 2016 11:28 AM  


Donald Trump (black version), maybe that's what you need.
A man that fulfills your every wish, your every dream.
Donald Trump (black version), come on take a chance.
A 1990s love affair, the real romance.

Blogger Teri April 23, 2016 11:28 AM  

My argument with Conservatives is: if the last accomplishments you can point to were when Reagan was in office, your movement is dead.

The interesting thing with Trump is how he takes down all the standard anti-Rep arguments. Saying the bathroom issue should be left to the states takes it away as a talking point for the Dems. Then they squeal like pigs and say Trump is just like Hillary.

Blogger MB April 23, 2016 11:28 AM  

Since the Europeans killed themselves massively in two world wars, gave birth to Communism, had to be rescued THREE times (One, Two, and Cold), don't defend themselves now, are atheist, I'm curious what I'm supposed to learn from them.

Give me a break. Amerikans never rescued anybody. What you did was repeatedly assault and destroy European supremacy in the world, to your own detriment. The vassal regimes you've imposed on Europe since 1945 are your damn fault! And it wasn't Europeans, but a well known tribe based in NY, that birth communism.

Blogger SouthRon April 23, 2016 11:29 AM  

At least now we know Vox has big shiny balls.

First Blue Hawaiians and Italian loafers, then the page goes all lavender and now the glowing disco ball shows up.

Slowly the closet opens...will he come out?

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 23, 2016 11:31 AM  

Milo's gonna die, Josh.

Blogger Teri April 23, 2016 11:33 AM  

Maybe what we need is something similar to Confucanism. I don't see how we can rebuild anything without a focus on strong family ties.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 23, 2016 11:34 AM  

The Lunatic Fringe says they are on the Right Side of History. History has no side, only owners who bought it by crushing their enemies. Make no mistake The Cuckoo Cuckservatives and their nigger loving diatribes are no less pathetic than the True Believers who expect something for nothing.
THERE AIN'T NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. Somebody's gonna pay and its not gonna be me. Let the Taste that Rainbow they love so much. Its a crazy quilt of life's losers and bottom of the gene pool gutter trash. They'll kill each other for the scraps whether we survive or not. They are too stupid to live.
Progress is a BIG LIE. Their looney tune environmentally defective free orgone cult is just a modern day Hippie Commune wanting to unilaterally disarm for "PEACE". Peace belongs to the strong, the weak hardly know it and cowards die every day because they'll never get it.
The Lunatic Fringe of the Left is a neo-luddite cult of primitism and hedonism. These stupid fuckers imagine that America and Africa were a paradise like the Garden of Eden before the ebil YT ruint it with modern technology and science. These crackpot crackheads know less about science than a retard. They parrot slogans cause that's what that fool Saul Alinsky told them to do. Slogans don't do shit for me...

Anonymous Til April 23, 2016 11:36 AM  

Nate, I thought you were smarter than this.

Politics is downstream from CULTURE. Trump has openly set PC on fire. The damage has already been done. Why would we be disappointed when he's ALREADY DONE what we are happy about?

For someone so anti-Government, it's odd to see you only grade trump based on what pieces of paper you think he's going to pass.

Blogger Mark April 23, 2016 11:39 AM  

@44

If you bother reading his statement, Trump is completely ambigious, and says nothing.

I listened to his original statement, where he said that a mentally damaged Jenner should be able to use whatever bathroom he likes. That the best thing he'd heard on the topic was that we should just "leave things the way they are", which is pig ignorant since the NC law was in response to the Charlotte City action.

In other words, he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, but he retreats to PC talking points when he's out of his depth.

Also, the bathroom bill is a logical extension of the 'freedom' and 'equality' nonsense preached in this country.

Actually, it's your sentence that's nonsense.

Blogger SouthRon April 23, 2016 11:43 AM  

@57 Damn you Josh. I'm trying to work. Can't do that with tears coming out my eyes from laughing so hard.

Anonymous Bz April 23, 2016 11:43 AM  

To rescue Europe, we had to destroy Europe (not quite done yet). Was it Wesley Clark who said that? Can't remember.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 23, 2016 11:44 AM  

American conservatism, especially after its Nick Bottom-style reincarnation as a Donkey under the leadership of William F. Cuckley, was conservative only in the sense that it would conserve the gains made by its allies in the leftist vanguard towards the utopian objective. This was a lot less obvious back in the the early days, but it can be seen in full-flower with the tea-party patriotard congress voted in to 'oppose' Magic Negro. It should be obvious by now with anyone above a room-temperature IQ that they are merely the rear-guard of the one political army on the field.

Even if Trump is just an advanced version of the Ross Perot scam from 1992, more have awakened to the reality than at any point in my memory. There's no going back to the American dream (perfectly described by George Carlin as being such a dream than one must be asleep to actually believe it) for more folks than ever before.

Blogger The Other Robot April 23, 2016 11:44 AM  

Those ungrateful Germans would do this after all we have done for them?

Blogger The Other Robot April 23, 2016 11:47 AM  

@68: From Wikipedia:

A famous quote from the Vietnam War was a statement attributed to an unnamed U.S. officer by AP correspondent Peter Arnett in his writing about Bến Tre city on 7 February 1968:

'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it', a United States major said today. He was talking about the decision by allied commanders to bomb and shell the town regardless of civilian casualties, to rout the Vietcong.[3]


Ahhh, yes, the ever reliable Peter Arnett.

Blogger The Other Robot April 23, 2016 11:49 AM  

@66: We know you have Trump Derangement Syndrome so STFU and lay back and enjoy the Trumpede in November.

Anonymous #5454 April 23, 2016 11:52 AM  

That disco ball Easter egg is nice. It made me laugh.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 23, 2016 11:58 AM  

Mother Effingby:
Trump. Not a right-winger. Not a left-winger. He's the middle finger. Be the middle finger.

You should send that to his campaign. It kind of summarizes the national mood. Be the middle finger! Vote Trump.

Anonymous Til April 23, 2016 12:03 PM  

This post just got stickied on reddit's Trump site.

Here comes the Trump Shitpost Army!

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner April 23, 2016 12:05 PM  

be rescued THREE times ((((One, Two, and Cold)))), don't defend themselves now, are atheist, I'm curious what I'm supposed to learn from them.

“And when they behead your own people in the wars, which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.” — Slobodan Milosevic

Vox makes a good point. Buckley famously said that a conservative stands athwart the train tracks of history shouting, "Stop!"

Perhaps he was talking to my ex boyfriend who Cruzed down by the train tracks.

I love Milo.No homo. He said he already has 8 concurrent boyfriends.

Too late. The pendulum is already swinging back and it's going to swing back very very far indeed because it was pushed so far the other way.

Hopefully it will have lost most momentum by the time it hits Whitopia.

Was it Wesley Clark who said that? Can't remember. (((Him and Barbra Specter)))

• American general, Wesley Clark, who was in charge of the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999. As he explained:
“There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th-century idea, and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.”
"I am the oldest son, of the oldest son, of the oldest son - at least five generations, and they were all rabbis."

Gen. Wesley Clark revels in his Jewish roots speaking to students at a Brooklyn yeshiva 1999. (Ron Kampeas, The Jewish Telegraphic Agency)

Anonymous Case April 23, 2016 12:16 PM  

Anyone who saw the riot at the Trump rally in Chicago understands that war has already been declared. It can't be wished away. The left will never voluntarily stop.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster April 23, 2016 12:18 PM  

"The train simile is tempting, but a comparison to a ship is better. If the ship of society sinks, we ALL drown."

If the 'ship of society' sinks, we can build a new one. The left can't, because they can't build anything, they can only destroy. Any surviving SJWs will soon be eating each other as they fight over the wreckage.

The very last thing we should be doing is trying to save the very people who smashed the holes in the hull that caused the ship to sink.

Blogger Jed Mask April 23, 2016 12:25 PM  

"If the West is to survive, it needs to abandon its consistent failures of the past and confidently embrace the pillars of its foundation: Christianity, the European nations, science, and capitalism. Any other strategy will fail. Any man who considers himself a Man of the West would do well to abandon the conservative establishment; it has already abandoned you."

^THIS right here. Well-summarized in a nutshell Mr. VD. Amen...

~ Sincerely,

Bro. Jed

Blogger kurt9 April 23, 2016 12:25 PM  

Is it possible that "conservatism" failed because there is no such thing? Consider the values that define Western civilization, particularly America: free-markets, work ethic, spirit of inquiry, pioneering, empowerment of the individual, technological innovation.

Viewed within the proper context of world history, these are very revolutionary values and the U.S.A., in particular is a revolutionary creation. There is nothing conservative about them. I think Rand was right when she said that "conservative" is a null word. Instead we are radicals for capitalism (and the empowerment of the individual).

Blogger VD April 23, 2016 12:28 PM  

Perhaps he was talking to my ex boyfriend who Cruzed down by the train tracks.

Stop trying to work references to your sexual predilections into every comment, Steve. I'm going to have the moderators start spamming them if you can't control yourself.

You're gay. We get it. No one gives a fuck.

Anonymous mature craig April 23, 2016 12:32 PM  

The still largely democrat leftist dominated media is a big problem for liberty lovers probably the biggest in my view

Blogger Josh April 23, 2016 12:33 PM  

Maybe the all the purple and disco got him too excited.

Stay strong, Steve.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau April 23, 2016 12:44 PM  

The Conservatives in Media and Government are Tories just like in 1775. They just want to get along. They don't care about the Liberty of the Common Englishman (or in these modern times Common Oceanic(U.K., North America, Australia)). They are part of the ruling class and will always be subservient to the whims of the King as long as they get to keep their subsidies from the Royal Treasury.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau April 23, 2016 12:45 PM  

The Conservatives in Media and Government are Tories just like in 1775. They just want to get along. They don't care about the Liberty of the Common Englishman (or in these modern times Common Oceanic(U.K., North America, Australia)). They are part of the ruling class and will always be subservient to the whims of the King as long as they get to keep their subsidies from the Royal Treasury.

Blogger Hobgoblin1975 April 23, 2016 12:59 PM  

Getting paid by soros or is your time donated here leftist?

Blogger Glutius April 23, 2016 1:13 PM  

Separation of church and state must not only be reinforced, it should be extended to special interests (corporate and Super PACS included).

That does not mean that religion itself must be free of political influence. A nationalist Christian movement sounds brilliant.

Blogger Glutius April 23, 2016 1:14 PM  

Separation of church and state must not only be reinforced, it should be extended to special interests (corporate and Super PACS included).

That does not mean that religion itself must be free of political influence. A nationalist Christian movement sounds brilliant.

Anonymous Vienna Calling April 23, 2016 1:25 PM  

@3 Instasetting

Since the Europeans killed themselves massively in two world wars, gave birth to Communism, had to be rescued THREE times (One, Two, and Cold)

The US didn't "rescue" Europe. In each case, the US government picked a side in struggles between European powers.

With today's immigrant and migrant invasion, Europe faces the first truly existential threat to its existence since the 17th century. And the US government, hand-in-hand with the traitors among Europe's leaders, is squarely on the side of the invaders.

Anonymous Godfrey April 23, 2016 1:33 PM  

When you have nothing left to lose... well then, you have nothing to lose.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 23, 2016 1:49 PM  

Is it possible that "conservatism" failed because there is no such thing?

Well, there is such a thing, but the question is always “conserving what?”. Burke wanted to conserve monarchy and a hierarchical social order. Later English thinkers rebelled against all of that - John Stuart Mill.

Consider the values that define Western civilization, particularly America: free-markets, work ethic, spirit of inquiry, pioneering, empowerment of the individual, technological innovation.

Take your 20th century Chamber of Commerce hat off for a minute and consider that some of those things are mutually contradictory.

Viewed within the proper context of world history, these are very revolutionary values and the U.S.A., in particular is a revolutionary creation. There is nothing conservative about them. I think Rand was right when she said that "conservative" is a null word. Instead we are radicals for capitalism (and the empowerment of the individual).

Rand had her own issues, and Randoids have big problems. Let’s leave them out of this.

“Empowerment of the individual” now means that any man in a dress gets to use the ladie’s lavatory at Target, so how has that worked out for 99.99% of the people?

“Capitalism” now means that Mark Zuckerberg’s Facebook controls the news flow for a yuge number people in the US and 36 other countries.

“Conservatism” has conserved pretty much nothing outside of a relative handful of nice jobs, mostly in DC or NYC.

“Liberalism” has become not just illiberal, but dogmatically thought-policing.

All those 20th century “isms” are breaking down, because the conditions in the world have changed. Adapt or perish.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster April 23, 2016 1:51 PM  

"The US didn't "rescue" Europe. In each case, the US government picked a side in struggles between European powers."

Exactly.

WWI was a squabble between relatives in Europe's royal families, until America entered. All that did was extend the war, and prevent a negotiated peace that would have left Germany intact as a nation.

That led to the birth of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. And WWII. American support of the Soviet Union in WWII led to the Cold War. The Cold War led to the takeover of European and American institutions by Soviet subversion agents.

Europeans are now trying to get out of the EU. And, guess what? Obama is over there telling them they must stay... or else.

So, please, America, stop 'rescuing' Europe. Just stop. The very last thing it needs is more American 'help'.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 23, 2016 1:51 PM  

My, Blogger is being difficult today.

@79 kurt9

Is it possible that "conservatism" failed because there is no such thing?

Well, there is such a thing, but the question is always “conserving what?”. Burke wanted to conserve monarchy and a hierarchical social order. Later English thinkers rebelled against all of that - John Stuart Mill.

Consider the values that define Western civilization, particularly America: free-markets, work ethic, spirit of inquiry, pioneering, empowerment of the individual, technological innovation.

Take your 20th century Chamber of Commerce hat off for a minute and consider that some of those things are mutually contradictory.

Viewed within the proper context of world history, these are very revolutionary values and the U.S.A., in particular is a revolutionary creation. There is nothing conservative about them. I think Rand was right when she said that "conservative" is a null word. Instead we are radicals for capitalism (and the empowerment of the individual).

Rand had her own issues, and Randoids have big problems. Let’s leave them out of this.

“Empowerment of the individual” now means that any man in a dress gets to use the ladie’s lavatory at Target, so how has that worked out for 99.99% of the people?

“Capitalism” now means that Mark Zuckerberg’s Facebook controls the news flow for a yuge number people in the US and 36 other countries.

“Conservatism” has conserved pretty much nothing outside of a relative handful of nice jobs, mostly in DC or NYC.

“Liberalism” has become not just illiberal, but dogmatically thought-policing.

All those 20th century “isms” are breaking down, because the conditions in the world have changed. Adapt or perish.

Blogger ray April 23, 2016 1:54 PM  

Yup, America's 'conservatives' are bankrupt in every way except financially. And if they persist, they'll accomplish that, too.

Conservatives in America sold out their nation for an 'attaboy' and fake careers for their wives and daughters. While they threw the nation's sons under the bus. Or worse. At least the Leftists are often true-believers in their satanic ideology, whereas the Righties go along with wickedness they don't even BELIEVE in. LOL whatchoo gonna do with that? They cuckle because it gets them 'ahead' while they yammer to one another about Constitutional abstractions and related nonsense. While they cogitated and bought things for their women, the nation crashed and burned.

"Milo thunders like the prophets of yore"


The LORD's prophets are not homosexuals. Nor are they like homosexuals.

Blogger Lovekraft April 23, 2016 1:57 PM  

@ 64: quite the stream-of-consciousness post. Keep em coming but remember that when you bring in words-that-shall-not-be-spoken, the PC thought police are going to use them to paint us all the same colour. Not that I am disagreeing with you. There is an extremely violent, manipulable subsector of our population that is long overdue for a 'correction', but you need to be, shall we say, more strategic.

And to Nate who takes a shot at Trump in his (Nate) defending federal overreach: gayest comment ever.

Blogger Lovekraft April 23, 2016 1:58 PM  

Why gay? Because we here know how the msm leftists and the LGBT mafia lay traps. Trump didn't step in anything. You pointing it out is gay.

Anonymous Wesson April 23, 2016 1:59 PM  

The US has usually been a radically liberal entity, so what is the surprise? The only thing that is accepted as legitimate is the individual. Even the idea of a gender is now falling. Refugees aren't some ethnic group, as that would be non-liberal. They are "citizens-in-waiting" or some such. And American-style supposedly free market capitalism would make a fan of "Fire in the Minds of Men" blush.

Those who have been called conservatives have supported insanely liberal/Jacobin/Marxist policies for decades. The real question is why so many somewhat normal people didn't object much. At least Buckley had the excuse of being of an elite background as well as being an important CIA asset working to bring this about.

This problem didn't start with cuckservatives. Was Reagan really Mister Conservative? A Hollywood actor? Really? Anyone who has spent any time in that neck of the woods would tell you the common view of all the "conservative Republicans" in California. Kinky would be the least of it.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 23, 2016 2:08 PM  

All of you still buying that line about how the GOP just got slickered and were too afraid to be called "raciss"? C'mon boy, grow up and face the deceit. Lincoln's Legacy of Greed and Tyranny was controlled opposition the whole time. They're all a bunch of closeted fags and dirtbags who are both bought and blackmailed. Ole Henry Ford told the whole sordid tale in his Dearborn Newspaper. These hook-nosed imbeciles are destroying the world out of single minded greed. Its not ideology that makes them hate you, they have no beliefs or principles at all. They hate you for your morality and belief in law and order. A deformed inferior race of parasites could never compete with the Aryan Man. Aryan Man stands alone on the top of the World's Natural Heirarchy. Having invented our World, these diseased birdbrains with their insatiable lust for shiny shit to adorn their nests want to steal it and have the idiotic brown scum of garbageland slave for them and serve them.
Globalism is Utopia for greedy larcenous perverted worms with delusions of grandeur and a total lack of understanding of motivation. A World of Slaves is impossible. Slaves must be kept in check and these pathetic weaklings do not have the brains or brawn to keep from being dinner. If you see them call them what they are: Soylent Green in their magical rainbow delusion world.

Anonymous Nxx April 23, 2016 2:13 PM  

The danger in the first approach may be the pendulum swinging too far the other way: hunting down those who enabled and excused the sin. This is to be actively discouraged.

The regular marxists believed the bourgeoisie had to be eliminated because they were the source of all evil.

The cultural marxists believe white males have to be eliminated because they are the source of all evil.

The bourgeoisie tried to coexist with people who wanted to eliminate them. Result: a world war and 70 million dead.

What is to be actively discouraged is mercy toward those who want to eliminate you.

Because one cannot coexist with them.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 23, 2016 2:19 PM  

Nice disco ball in the upper left corner, my Leige Lord!

Blogger Scott April 23, 2016 2:20 PM  

Most of the Elders at the church I attend say...

In my experience the elders tend to be among the cuckiest of cucks. Inch by inch they cede control to the SJWs until one Sunday you find yourself shaking hands with a female minister and attending bible study with an SJW praising gay marriage with most everyone agreeing. Then you discover your minister accepted an invitation from a Muslim "awareness" group for an all expense paid visit to Turkey.

Blogger ray April 23, 2016 2:21 PM  

"Too late. The pendulum is already swinging back and it's going to swing back very very far indeed because it was pushed so far the other way."


Those folks who did evil and sneered at me these many decades passed 'That's right I have the power'

now get their response 'Running is a great way to lose those unwanted pounds'

Ironically, it was these very persons who'd explain that another beatdown was necessary because the 'pendulum needed to swing' a little. So now they won't mind it swinging back.

Anonymous Sagramore April 23, 2016 2:25 PM  

@8 Buckley famously said that a conservative stands athwart the train tracks of history shouting, "Stop!"

You're supposed to
sabotage
it, silly. That clip explains it much better than, say, 28 pages of text.

Blogger bob k. mando April 23, 2016 2:27 PM  

42. Nate April 23, 2016 10:50 AM
Ahem... be sure to mouse over the disco ball.



mousing over doesn't do anything for me in PaleMoon, it's already rotating.



46. A Visitor April 23, 2016 11:00 AM
Buckley famously said that a conservative stands athwart the train tracks of history shouting, "Stop!" "



the quote is actually:
"It stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it."


the most interesting thing about this quote being, that it assumes that the *Marxist* "inevitable forces of History" exist and are happening.

Blogger ray April 23, 2016 2:32 PM  

"Cyrus the Persian and Nebuchnezzar did the bidding of God (unlike the Kingdom of Judah). The Lord works in mysterious ways....."


Took a mind-bath to convince Cyrus, and God had to turn Nebbie into a Potato Bug for awhile before he came around. So, it's not automatic.

Anonymous Sagramore April 23, 2016 2:36 PM  

@9 Unlike the masonic police, Christ never demanded a bribe to help me. And everyone forgets the cleansing of the Temple.

Similarly to how anonymoose is into masks rather than drilling down into Prothero's military records.

Blogger tz April 23, 2016 2:41 PM  

The train simile is fine

Anonymous Sagramore April 23, 2016 2:44 PM  

@36 My view of popular people and politicians is that their mass can be used as an acceleration slingshot tool, just like space probes. I tolerated a larger than life character in my life for many years because his edgelord antics brought change. Personally he's a hedonist and I can't stand him, but it worked. I think Trump is more likeable, but like you I am under no illusions.

Blogger J Melcher April 23, 2016 2:47 PM  

I wish we could dismiss the word "capitalism", at least as a desirable thing. Marx divided all factors of production into two piles -- labor, which was use-it-or-lose it perishable; versus what he idiosyncratically re-defined as "capital". Marx then then conflated methods, material, site, plant, tools, experience, reputation, literacy, and a host of other virtuous production factors that a business or even a labor force might possess. This durable agglomeration, Marx argued, allowed those who have it to exploit, and extort from, the less-endowed laborer the "surplus" value of participation in manufacturing, so shifting, by each day's transactions, more value from the laborer to the undeserving few who possess (land, ideas, work-ethic, a sense of delayed gratification) capital.

It's as if a professor of botany were to promote a theory of gardening in which fairies competed with trolls. Fairies of course, (and their partners, such as butterflies, geckos, desirable blossoms and vegetables) are always under attack by trolls (and scorpions, snakes, weeds, and toadstools) AND, by this line of dialectic, anyone who points out that such a theory of garden planning is idiotic must be called a "trollist" ? Defender of the evils that trollism has imposed upon the garden, defiler of fairies, self-deluded falsely-conscious apologist for evil, exploiter of stolen magic, and miserly hoard-master of the fruits of the garden of perpetual slavery ...

Trollism?

Hey, makes as much sense as "capitalism".

How about we allocate resources with alternate uses among individuals bidding against each other, rather than allowing an elite group of "value assessors" to decide according to "fair principles" among "deserving classes" according to the perceived will of "society"? We could call the latter scheme socialism and the former, "market-ism", maybe.

And while perfectly implemented "market-ism" has never been tried, any more than ideal "socialism", we might be able to compare the results of imperfect implementations and see which theoretical model might be closer to some underlying reality.





Anonymous Cyclone Bob April 23, 2016 3:00 PM  

Joshua Sinistar: "Slogans don't do shit for me."


That would make a great slogan.

Blogger bob k. mando April 23, 2016 3:29 PM  

103. ray April 23, 2016 2:32 PM
Took a mind-bath to convince Cyrus, and God had to turn Nebbie into a Potato Bug for awhile before he came around. So, it's not automatic.



Jonah ( parable picture of the Jewish people ) spent three days in the belly of Leviathan before he would do God's will.

then he threw a temper tantrum when the goyim of Ninevah repented.

iow, even after Jonah did what God told him to do, he was still pissed that God's goal had been accomplished.

pretty much the exact opposite of Job.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit April 23, 2016 3:31 PM  

Once again you have made a serious error. Just as the problem with the egregious assault on men is not women in toto, but feminists; just as the problem is not black people, but welfare culture (which is why British chavs are indistinguishable from what many here call 'groids); so too, conservatives.

The problem is mass-media culture.

The problem, as you may perceive from the patterns above, is the culture. That politics is downstream of culture is true, but the politics of the left have shaped our culture [see Mrs. Wright's expose: http://superversivesf.com/2016/04/13/school-of-darkness-or-how-i-discovered-that-i-was-wrong-about-everything/]

Which means, at bottom, you are trashing potential allies in a fight in which you are outnumbered and outgunned.

It's good to know you're Right and they're Wong; but it is better to win.

Blogger ray April 23, 2016 3:52 PM  

#108 -- "iow, even after Jonah did what God told him to do, he was still pissed that God's goal had been accomplished.

pretty much the exact opposite of Job."


Hardly exact opposites, as both are beloved servants of God, and both are identified in His holy Scripture. I suspect they aren't as far apart as you'd wish.

Where in the Scripture does bob k. mando appear?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 23, 2016 3:55 PM  

There is no culture anymore. The media is raw sewage now. The Vast Wasteland of vapid emptiness has now come to pass. Even the garbage from the 90s seems better than this. These studios have to burn down before it gets any worse. People are getting rid of TVs completely because its too offensive for them and their families.
Modern Art has always been a deconstructionist joke. Those tales of toilets being mistaken for exhibits is actually true and not urban legend. That painting of a campbell's soup can by Warhol was supposed to be a joke I think, but they actually exhibited it at a art gallery.
Music has became noise pollution. Vox has gone all fanboy over the corpse formerly known as an artist formerly known as a has been. I doubt anyone under thirty has any idea who the fuck he is. He was doing pop while the rap thing was going on. Apparently he made some movies and started the black/purple thing. Maybe they'll make a purple memorial shoe in his honor. Sports Authority hasn't had a good shoe riot in ages, they could use the insurance money.
Is this the Post-Modern World? Only if you're a cargo cultist who listens to Algore and fetishizes primitivism while living in an upscale uptown apartment with an Apple Computer and Smartphone. If we have any culture at all, it must be the vapid CLUELESSNESS of hipsters and their empty wasted lives of spending half a day caring about something - anything.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 23, 2016 3:59 PM  

Cyclone Bob wrote:Joshua Sinistar: "Slogans don't do shit for me."

That would make a great slogan.


I once bought a programmble keyboard from P.I. Engineering, "the no-slogan company"

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 23, 2016 4:12 PM  

In my experience the elders tend to be among the cuckiest of cucks.

In my experience the elders tend to be Boomers.

Wait, am I being redundant?

Blogger Were-Puppy April 23, 2016 4:24 PM  

@48 PUMPsix

Conservatism will become the new "In Thing." Even the Alt-Right hates us.
---

Wasn't there some old geezer politician that said something like - I was conservative before being conservative was cool ?

Blogger David Power April 23, 2016 4:26 PM  

The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage – earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country, who, if they add something to its culture, take much from its strength.

Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large proportion of our politicians. But what have they to offer but vague internationalism, a squalid materialism, and the promise of impossible Utopias. Nothing can save Our Country if she will not save herself.


Happy St. George's Day

Blogger Were-Puppy April 23, 2016 4:42 PM  

@55 Napoleon 12pdr

Bad idea. The train simile is tempting, but a comparison to a ship is better. If the ship of society sinks, we ALL drown.

No. We're going to take the engine room and bridge, and get the ship turned into safe, deep water far from storms, shoals, and icebergs.
---

I think the real danger to the ship is the fact nobody clears the damn barnacles off it any more.

Blogger bob k. mando April 23, 2016 4:50 PM  

110. ray April 23, 2016 3:52 PM
Hardly exact opposites, as both are beloved servants of God, and both are identified in His holy Scripture.



God left the persecution of Job to Satan, whereas God punished Jonah ( multiple times ) directly.

if you cannot comprehend the significant difference between the two, you aren't all enough for this ride.

further, being beloved of God in no way inures that person from greatly angering God or sinning.

else, Bathsheba's son would likely have lived and the House of David might still rule over the Jews.

Blogger bob k. mando April 23, 2016 4:51 PM  

110. ray April 23, 2016 3:52 PM
Where in the Scripture does bob k. mando appear?



where did i claim that my word was Scripture?

perhaps you should stop attempting to slander me.

Anonymous Nxx April 23, 2016 5:11 PM  

Conservatism will become the new "In Thing." Even the Alt-Right hates us.

Because being a systematic loser is sexy?

Here's a definition of conservatism from 1879:

Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last to the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today the accepted principle of conservatism.

RL Dabney, 19th century Southern theologian and philosopher. Served as chief of staff to legendary confederate General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson.

https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/conservatism-standing-like-a-stone-wall/

It's been over a century since Dabney wrote that and conservatism has remained exactly the same; an ideology of proud loserism for noble ankle-biters.

OpenID simplytimothy April 23, 2016 5:49 PM  

"Trump is a Conservative American Nationalist along the lines of Russel Kirk" is true enough as a rhetorical device to demolish the assumption that the neocon agenda of globalism, war, fiat money and open borders is 'Conservatism'


It highlights that the definition of 'conservatism' has radically changed and that the word itself does not belong to those who have corrupted it. It establishes the proposition that isolationism, sound money, peace and closed borders are historically conservative positions.




Blogger G-S. April 23, 2016 6:08 PM  

Therapist: How can I help you today?

Yiannopoulos: The Left continues to gain ground and gain ground and gain ground until a point at which — and I don’t think this is an exaggeration to say — the fabric of western culture is now at risk.

Therapist: And how does this make you feel?

Yiannopoulos: Fuck how I feel. And fuck how the fucking cucks feel too.

Therapist: Go on...

Yiannopoulos: Trump and I represent something that scares the Left, we have shown fearlessness, total defiance, we inspire terror. It also scares the lamestream right wing cuckservatives.

Therapist: So does this make you feel powerful?

Yiannopoulos: Of course. We're not like those limp dicks on the left or the middle. We know what we're doing. They are all fucking stupid. They just don't get it. We got better ideas and better history.

Therapist: And yet here you are...

Yiannopoulos: There's so fucking many of them. I don't get it. Why the fuck aren't we winning big? Why does my side have to fight so hard? Those assholes need to be run out of the country so we can run it right.

Therapist: Have you talked with anyone else about this?

Yiannopoulos: I tried my pastor, but I'm not sure that's the best route. I want to talk with my atheist friends but too many of them are stoopid liberals.

Therapist: So you feel alone in your fight for what you believe is right?

Yiannopoulos: I don't need those fucking libtards or cucks.

Therapist: What is it you are trying to accomplish exactly?

Yiannopoulos: I want everything to be right again. I want to make the world a better place. It's going to hell quickly.

Therapist: Don't you think inspiring terror, as you say, works against your goals? I doubt inspiring terror is a conservative principle. Doesn't persuasion work better than force? Instilling fear will not make others love you.

Yiannopoulos: Fuck you therapist! Fuck off! I'm outta here. (Shoots therapist) Stupid fucking cuck!



Blogger bob k. mando April 23, 2016 6:09 PM  

118. Nxx April 23, 2016 5:11 PM
RL Dabney,



i have the entire Dabney essay converted to text as well as the link to the .pdf source.

the number of points and predictions that Dabney made, and that have come true, are staggering.

Anonymous BGKB April 23, 2016 6:31 PM  

Ole Henry Ford told the whole sordid tale in his Dearborn Newspaper. These hook-nosed imbeciles are destroying the world

Now they have Dearborn over run with 3rd world black moslems.

While TRUMP chalk on a sidewalk sends rabbits scurrying, calling for dead cops is cool on campus.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/unlike-trump-written-chalk-death-pigz-brings-major-student-support

Blogger John Wright April 23, 2016 6:36 PM  

"I'm seeing the term, "natural law", as a substitution for God's Law and therefore just another step toward 'do what thou wilt'."

You drink the Leftist Koolaid without noticing it, if you think YOU get to define what terms mean in reality.

'Natural Law' is a term of art that appears in theology, moral philosophy, and metaphysics. It refers to the objective moral truths innate known, or able to be known, to all men.

Jewish scholarship refers to this as part of the Noachine covenant, that is, the standard to which all sons of Noah are held.

It is the mere opposite of 'do as thou wilt'.

It is the part of God's law to which St Paul refers when he says even men who never heard of Christ or Moses are held to the standard God put in all men's hearts.

Blogger ray April 23, 2016 6:39 PM  

Youre quite the bitchy little bob aintcha?

Blogger Akulkis April 23, 2016 6:52 PM  

"And it wasn't Europeans, but a well known tribe based in NY, that birth communism."


They're getting bolder, now, too. A thick (3-inch) biography I saw recently has the title "The Jew who Defeated Hitler." It's about Henry Morgenthou, and basically it's bragging about how Morgenthouc manipulated FDR and the US Army into being the Jews' gollum.

Blogger The Other Robot April 23, 2016 7:45 PM  

Time to tell Fuckerberg and Huffnpuff to keep their hands off the election.

Blogger bob k. mando April 23, 2016 7:47 PM  

124. ray April 23, 2016 6:39 PM
Youre quite the bitchy little bob aintcha?


*shrugs*

the fruit don't fall far from the tree, does it ray?

Anonymous johnc April 23, 2016 8:00 PM  

@25 If Milo is speaking for the alt-right, then the alt-right is an electric bumper train running back and forth on a short, narrow gauge track having cement obstacles at both ends: the alt-right is cut off from the past, has no future, and has no idea from whence comes the electricity: the alt-right has only its lusts to guide it.

I think I agree. What is going on today can be plainly explained as a punishment from God. And why? Because He's extraordinarily angry, duh. Nothing is going to improve as long as God is withholding His blessings.

All that being said, we really need to get this sodomy crap under control before we get wiped off the face of the earth again. It's one of the four sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man April 23, 2016 8:04 PM  

“That does not mean that religion itself must be free of political influence. A nationalist Christian movement sounds brilliant.”



Which, as demonstrated by the Puritans in Massachusetts and the Anglicans in Virginia, resulted in NO separation of church and state.

We’ll pass.

“And the US government, hand-in-hand with the traitors among Europe's leaders, is squarely on the side of the invaders.”



Well, considering that tens of millions of Americans over the decades in some way, shape, or form has supported immigration, either for their own kind or for others, you are going to have major difficulty discerning “traitors” from “patriots”.

“Any surviving SJWs will soon be eating each other as they fight over the wreckage.”



Assuming that there will be this bloody civil war and that, out of the rubble and ashes, emerges a group that espouses THEIR version of Christianity, the European nations, science, and capitalism that ought to be the model for everyone.

“The cultural marxists believe white males have to be eliminated because they are the source of all evil.”

Ask the average America about the deception and cruelty of “cultural marxists”, and they are clueless. Meaning, of course, that this cult devoted to exposing the scourge of this philosophy is even more meaningless.

Anonymous johnc April 23, 2016 8:08 PM  

Chesterton didn't seem to have much use for -isms. Orthodoxy and orthopraxis are what drive culture to the promised land.

"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types -- the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution."

Blogger Cinco April 23, 2016 8:18 PM  

What is going on today can be plainly explained as a punishment from God.

Doesn't He typically send a messenger before He punishes His people?

Couldn't this be more easily explained as a self-destruction. We have a warfare-welfare state, that is an economic drain, in order to pay for it we print money and import a diverse work force. I really don't think a punishment from God is necessary when we are this t****** stupid.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 23, 2016 8:34 PM  

"123. John Wright April 23, 2016 6:36 PM

"I'm seeing the term, "natural law", as a substitution for God's Law and therefore just another step toward 'do what thou wilt'."

You drink the Leftist Koolaid without noticing it, if you think YOU get to define what terms mean in reality.

'Natural Law' is a term of art that appears in theology, moral philosophy, and metaphysics. It refers to the objective moral truths innate known, or able to be known, to all men.

Jewish scholarship refers to this as part of the Noachine covenant, that is, the standard to which all sons of Noah are held.

It is the mere opposite of 'do as thou wilt'.

It is the part of God's law to which St Paul refers when he says even men who never heard of Christ or Moses are held to the standard God put in all men's hearts.
"


By painting me with a leftist brush you smear the messenger instead of the message. Does that make you a Jesuit?

By using 'nature' instead of God those that hate God get to avoid mentioning God at all.

Yes, 'natural law' is a term of art but that still doesn't unmake it as a dodge designed by clever but evil men.

Anonymous mature craig April 23, 2016 8:43 PM  

Re cinco 818. Try walking by faith and not by sight and leaning not on your own understanding. I find that helps


Anonymous johnc April 23, 2016 9:09 PM  

@131 Doesn't He typically send a messenger before He punishes His people?

Fatima and Akita should be sufficient messages for this age. Hey, we can't say we weren't warned!

Couldn't this be more easily explained as a self-destruction. We have a warfare-welfare state, that is an economic drain, in order to pay for it we print money and import a diverse work force. I really don't think a punishment from God is necessary when we are this t****** stupid.

We're not really a stupid people, though. So how can such poor policy be explained? The vector that allows Satan to work in the world is personal sin. The mess we have is so global that there is a "conspiracy" of sorts moving all of the various governments and institutions. But the leader of all of that is basically Satan. We have turned from God, and therefore His providence, so Satan has much power over the world.

It won't change until the sin ends. This is not a political problem with a political solution. We either end our sinful behavior voluntarily or God will end it His way.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 23, 2016 9:16 PM  

@131 Cinco

I really don't think a punishment from God is necessary when we are this t****** stupid.
---

Yep. The flip side of this same coin is blame it on the devil. I once heard a sermon titled "It's not the devil, dummy, it's you." :P

Blogger Were-Puppy April 23, 2016 9:19 PM  

@133 johnc

We either end our sinful behavior voluntarily or God will end it His way.
---

It is impossible for mankind to end sin.
That's the entire point of Jesus, unless I am missing something.

Anonymous Nxx April 23, 2016 9:22 PM  

@ 129. Rhetoric Man

“The cultural marxists believe white males have to be eliminated because they are the source of all evil.”

Ask the average America about the deception and cruelty of “cultural marxists”, and they are clueless. Meaning, of course, that this cult devoted to exposing the scourge of this philosophy is even more meaningless.


1. Cultural marxism is commonly known as political correctness. Every single person in America knows exactly what it is.

2. The cult devoted to exposing cultural marxism is so meaningless that defying political correctness will now automatically make you the presidential front runner.

3. The sound you heard six months ago was the overton window shifting. Please do try and keep up.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 23, 2016 9:26 PM  

The Genocidal Assumptions of Progress and 'Diversity' (aka White Genocide):

Every single place on the planet that is currently White in any proportion or degree, should be getting less White from here on out. Indefinitely.

You name it: it could be Cambridge, Rotterham, Berlin, Toronto, Denver, Lillehammer. If there's White people there now, at all, the premise
is 'there had better be fewer White people there both proportionately and absolutely in 10 years time then there are now'.

What could be more blatantly Genocidal and evil than that?


'No place left White' is the mantra of Progressive Cultural Marxism.

Anonymous mature craig April 23, 2016 9:27 PM  

don't let voices of pessimism bring you down don't be a pessimist it doesn't glorify God be an optimist and promote optimism.




















glorify God in everything we do

Anonymous Thor Son April 23, 2016 9:43 PM  

I don't know about Christianity being one of the pillars, people. What to do about this?

http://bbs.dailystormer.com/t/evangelicuck-impregnates-wife-with-negroid-sperm-produces-triple-negroids/22894

P.S. Milo is a gay jew. He does NOT speak for this new right, or whatever we're called.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 23, 2016 9:50 PM  

Their obvious genocidal tendencies have already doomed them. Let them babble on about the hollowcost. They will pay in blood for their unholy acts and crimes. Forget your prophecies and see the signs. The Earth trembles, and the skies cry. Sinistar is now complete. I HUNGER I LIVE. The Destroyer has returned. The Wrath of God is already here.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 23, 2016 9:50 PM  

Team Milo, its loony central stateside - the pro death crowds, the obey, consume, shop, fear, obey nullsense is insane. one would not believe the blowback from insane policy after untenable, unlivable policies. I would not know where to begin as its already covered here.

Trump, MIlo and others have already said it, we dont have time for political correctness, its all deception.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 23, 2016 9:53 PM  

Team Milo!

Stateside is lunatic central, political chicanery/anarchy, moral awfulness and the most insane untenable continued economic and varied other policies still in action kinetic or not.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 23, 2016 9:55 PM  

140 Josh try 2010 "Destroyer" by My Chemical Romance, worth a twirl.

Blogger John Morris April 23, 2016 11:07 PM  

Kirk's _Conservative Mind_ made a lot more sense once I learned the original title of _The Conservative Rout_ was rejected.

Our problem isn't a question of left or right, it is facing. Everyone looks to the Sunny Uplands of History. Proggies look and see a utopia and the right sees a nightmare they can't avert their gaze from. Because no political idea competes with it, everyone debates on it's terms and on the assumption that we are going there.

A few fringe NRx and a few of the Libertarians types realize the need for an actual alternative idea of the future but none have produced one yet.

Blogger The Other Robot April 23, 2016 11:48 PM  

Now I have seen everything. There is a Wonder Woman episode where they have the Nazis take over Hollywood.

No wonder the Neocons have taken over the Conservative movement.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 23, 2016 11:56 PM  

It seems to me that numero uno on the target list of any Christians should be that which calls itself Christianity at present - from the carnival-barker antics of apostle Copeland to the bowing, scraping and God-knows-what of the anti-pontiff Hi-Fellatin' Franny making a complete joke of the Vatican. The religion itself appears to be nearly completely converged, regardless of whether its Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox. CWNY has an exception article today, but seems to not understand that even the white Christians over in Mandelaland - targeted openly for extermination by the regime and its legions of orcs - are much more interested in singing praises to their new god (Golden Dindu) and extolling the joys of their new gospel (Galatians 3:28) than they are in their own survival - virtue-signaling taken to its Pharisaic conclusion. Obviously, Christ's sacrifice was insufficient to appease or please their new god. The same can be said for every church in the West, and more than a few elsewhere.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 24, 2016 12:27 AM  

These churches are not of the Lord. Baal and mammon rule these whorehouses where paedophiles diddle little choir boys and lascivious tales of fornication bring not penance but excitement from tasteless mounds of sloth and avarice. That Old poop is the last of the line. The Gods have no patience for such chicanery. Like the televangelists, that traitorous foul faker will fall down hard amongst his sleazy debauched rabble of false saviors and feigned moralisms.

Anonymous johnc April 24, 2016 1:15 AM  

@145 Now I have seen everything. There is a Wonder Woman episode where they have the Nazis take over Hollywood.

No wonder the Neocons have taken over the Conservative movement.


Can't they just send in the Film Actors Guild to take care of business?

Anonymous Satan's Hamster April 24, 2016 1:52 AM  

"I don't know about Christianity being one of the pillars, people. What to do about this?"

Or this?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/23/austrian-border-fence-will-gap-church-refuses-wall-building-land/

You'll need to get the cucks out of the church, first.

Anonymous Instasetting April 24, 2016 1:58 AM  

Thank you, A Visitor.

Rest, thank you for your time. I doubt anything I could say would reach ya'll.

Blogger weka April 24, 2016 2:42 AM  

@38 Yeah, Trump is as far left as it gets.

That is either a very dishonest or a very ignorant statement. Trump wouldn't even qualify as Left by European standards.


Hilary is about where the English Tories are: she would get on really well with some of the harridans in Cameron's Cabinet. Sanders is about where Corbyn (UK Labour leader) is. Most European politicians -- with the exception of the Nationalists -- are to the left of Corbyn.

@94 The US has usually been a radically liberal entity, so what is the surprise? The only thing that is accepted as legitimate is the individual. Even the idea of a gender is now falling. Refugees aren't some ethnic group, as that would be non-liberal. They are "citizens-in-waiting" or some such. And American-style supposedly free market capitalism would make a fan of "Fire in the Minds of Men" blush.

Those who have been called conservatives have supported insanely liberal/Jacobin/Marxist policies for decades. The real question is why so many somewhat normal people didn't object much.


Tories are believers in aristocracy, the Queen (Happy birthday, your Majesty!) and the conservation of social structures. They know that the chapel and pub are needed as much as the cathedral and gentleman's club. Most can function in both.

They do not look for perfection. They look to tradition for ways that allow this people to live. And this is specific: Florence works differently from Vienna or Oulu. Sydney works differently from Auckland. Chicago is not Toronto.

The ideologue wants all identical and fitting their model. And ideologues fail: both neoconserativecucks and trotskysocialjusticecucks.

Milo knows this and uses the current social justice cuck shibboleths to speak with more freedom than this knuckle dragging ancient colonial would be able to get away with.

@104. Agree. But the train is not a metaphor. The social welfare state is unaffordable, and will end. And then, you better have the ability to earn.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2016 9:44 AM  

Satan's Hamster wrote:

Or this?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/23/austrian-border-fence-will-gap-church-refuses-wall-building-land/

You'll need to get the cucks out of the church, first.


I seems to me that one would have to build the wall with the church on the other side, wouldn't one?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 24, 2016 9:50 AM  

Any cleric who tells you to love and succor your enemies is NO CHRISTIAN. He is a traitor. A Judas Goat for Satan and his malicious ways. None of you know Satan. You believe his lies that he wants to rule the world and offers his minions power. This is another lie. This insane idiot only wants death and destruction. All those who follow this malicious false angel will die an ignoble death and be hated forever for their misguided ways and pathetic end.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man April 24, 2016 3:39 PM  

"It seems to me that numero uno on the target list of any Christians should be that which calls itself Christianity at present - from the carnival-barker antics of apostle Copeland to the bowing, scraping and God-knows-what of the anti-pontiff Hi-Fellatin' Franny making a complete joke of the Vatican."

The thing is, Gen. Kong, you're really in no position to tell Christians how they believe in the faith, nor in essence condemn them for allegedly bastardizing the sacrifice of Christ.

So, Joshua Sinistar, what is your progress toward your goal of being the new Holy Roman Emperor?

Blogger Methadras April 27, 2016 3:18 PM  

@7 Orville April 23, 2016 8:53 AM

In any case, conservatism as we know it, is a weathered leaning monument in the back corner of the graveyard.


Rather it's a dead ideology walking.

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