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Sunday, April 10, 2016

A review of the gods debate

Robert Beisert reviews On the Existence of Gods:
In the past couple of weeks, an amazing written debate on the existence of gods (not God, but gods) was published to the Amazon store. Theist Vox Day (Theodore Beale, for those who care) and atheist Dominic Saltarelli exchanged three rounds of debate concerning the question of whether or not gods could exist. Though it does not establish an airtight case on either side, it serves as an interesting launching point into the debate itself.
He does regret that the arguments were not examined more deeply, but a debate is simply not the idea mechanism for that sort of thing. I would like to consider some of the ideas Dominic and I discussed in more detail at some point, but right now my hands are more than full.

Anyhow, it's good to see that people who are serious about the subject appear to have thought rather well of both the approach as well as the exchange of ideas.

And don't miss A Pius Geek's review of Iron Chamber of Memory, which he says has more in common with Victor Hugo than James Patterson.

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Blogger SciVo April 11, 2016 12:07 AM  

Also don't miss Stacy McCain's most stunningly honest article ever, and that's saying something.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 11, 2016 1:23 AM  

This is so great the debate came to fruition!!

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Blogger Avraham April 11, 2016 5:28 AM  

I think the issue of "why is there evil," is confused with existence. Also I think in the West, a metaphysical structure of the world was denied beginning in the Middle Ages with the idea that universals do not exist and getting up to the British empiricists. Both of these issues I think tend to obscure the central issue.

Anonymous FrankNorman April 11, 2016 5:36 AM  

3. Avraham April 11, 2016 5:28 AM

I think the issue of "why is there evil," is confused with existence. Also I think in the West, a metaphysical structure of the world was denied beginning in the Middle Ages with the idea that universals do not exist and getting up to the British empiricists. Both of these issues I think tend to obscure the central issue.


The people most likely to use the "problem of evil" as an argument against Christianity tend to have a very blurry conception of evil.
And also often to be the same people who reject the very idea of there being any transcendent standards of right or wrong.

Blogger Avraham April 11, 2016 5:56 AM  

Frank: you brought up a good point that both points used against existence are contrary one to the other. If they hold no objective metaphysical structure of the world exists then there is no objective evil and so the problem of evil does not exist.

Blogger VD April 11, 2016 6:47 AM  

If they hold no objective metaphysical structure of the world exists then there is no objective evil and so the problem of evil does not exist.

Precisely.

Blogger John Wright April 11, 2016 11:51 AM  

The problem of pain, however, continues to exist for anyone who holds God to be omnipotent, omniscience, and benevolent, provided we define benevolent narrowly to exclude medicinal or tutorial or judicious uses of pain (that is, as a medicine, as a teaching instrument, or as a punishment).

All that to one side, nominalism, the idea that words are arbitrary labels, is indeed the source of nearly all modern philosophical confusion.

Blogger Student in Blue April 11, 2016 12:55 PM  

@John Wright
The problem of pain, however, continues to exist for anyone who holds God to be omnipotent, omniscience, and benevolent, provided we define benevolent narrowly to exclude medicinal or tutorial or judicious uses of pain (that is, as a medicine, as a teaching instrument, or as a punishment).

It's more of a problem for people who completely forget that God describes Himself as 'just'.

Blogger RobertT April 11, 2016 2:02 PM  

Great review of Iron Chamber. I have to chime in and agree. Generally I find the swing's in Wright's writing a little too much for my tastes, but I keep trying because when I find one I like, I really like it. This one I really like. Perhaps masterpiece level. Wright may be one of the great writers alive right now. He will put Castalia House on the map. Whether people hate you guys or love you, they can't ignore you.

Blogger John Wright April 11, 2016 7:46 PM  

"It's more of a problem for people who completely forget that God describes Himself as 'just'."

With all due respect, justice often inflicts pain, whereas benevolence rarely does. Your argument would only have traction when discussing men innocent of wrongdoing, or children, or animals.

Such arguments turn on what view of mankind one has.

Blogger John Wright April 11, 2016 7:46 PM  

Thank you, Robert T!

Blogger Patrikbc April 12, 2016 6:52 AM  

We're purified by fire, not marshmallows and warm fuzzier.

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