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Tuesday, April 12, 2016

Alt-Tech and Alt-Society

Eventually, the Alt-Right is going to transform into an entirely alternative society. The reason this will happen is due to the totalitarian nature of social justice. Notice that I used the term social justice, and not SJW.

Social justice inherently requires totalitarianism because it demands both total convergence and total compliance. This is why SJWs are just as likely to attack Stephen Fry as they are to attack Curtis Yarvin despite the vast ideological and identitational differences between the two men. The sin both men have committed are the same: a refusal to submit to the current social justice Narrative.

The reason societies devolve into civil war, split up, and eventually segregate is because it is no longer possible for one group to live in close quarters with another group. And it appears we are rapidly approaching the point where SJWs and non serviams can no longer occupy the same social media space because the latter are not permitted, as The Ralph Retort reports:

I had been trying to spend more time on the subreddit I setup lately, which is called SJWsAtWork. After Twitter suspended the account I had made for it, due to false spam reports, I kinda got out of the habit of posting stuff over there. Last night, I made a new account (@SJWAlert) and then went to post some new stories on SJWsAtWork itself. One of those was a link to Vox Day’s new site, SJW List. I had no idea this would be a controversial move, but it ended up getting my entire Reddit account suspended.

Honestly, Reddit is sort of a shithole, so I’m not too broken up about it. Still, I’m kinda pissed for the small community we have going on over there. I’m still going to continue posting with my new account, and I will get put back on the mod team by one of the other mods, but it’s just annoying. There was no sort of warning at all, just a straight permanent suspension.
The Alt-Right is still taking shape. But unless it develops the Alt-Tech and successfully creates its own alternative technological and infrastructural institutions, it will suffer the same fate as other minority groups that have been subjugated and forced to choose between submission and elimination.

Reddit isn't the only SJW-owned institution to act this way. Facebook just no-platformed A Voice For Men yesterday as well:
The A Voice for Men FaceBook page was unpublished by FaceBook today. No reason was given other than a generic inference that we were in violation of their community standards. I find no reason to believe that this means anything but the fact that we were in violation of their feminist based rules for speech.

This does not yet mean an Alt-Society is necessary. We can still drive the SJWs out, and indeed, their insistence on converging the organizations they infest significantly improves our chances of reclaiming control of society so long as stop supporting them and we keep them out of the new institutions and organizations. That is why they are so terrified of the SJW List and that is why they have been attacking it relentlessly almost since the moment of its creation.

Stop using Facebook. Stop using Reddit. Stop using Wikipedia. Only use platforms that play fair - say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people - and start building and supporting and using alternatives to the fully converged platforms.

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109 Comments:

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier April 12, 2016 8:11 AM  

It is one thing to struggle against wild beasts that want to eat you, fighting tooth and nail in an all out struggle for survival.

It is another thing to have to deal with a swarm of annoying gnats that fly everywhere and are just plain ANNOYING.

Why does my generation's enemies have to be the annoying type? Don't get me wrong, torn apart by a wild beast or suffocated by a swarm of gnats, either way you're dead. So, both enemies are dangerous. It's just that ours seem so... ugh.

Blogger Student in Blue April 12, 2016 8:11 AM  

At the very least, stop supporting them. That means no clicking on ads, no buying Reddit Gold, no donations to Wikimedia Foundation, none of it.

And for Facebook, that means delete your account entirely because they derive most of their value from you just being accessible through it. It doesn't matter if you use adblock on facebook, all they want is you to just use facebook so others will want to as well.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 12, 2016 8:29 AM  

My WAG is that the voice for men was primarily driven by complaints about feminism from white men so the fems get the easy route of attacking the "common enemy." IMO then this attack on VfM was attack on men of color, billions of them who could care less or are outright hostile to SJW femology.

Same goes for the 2A debate, I have repeatedly told the white SJW disarmament goons that object to a 2A to punch in AR-15 on Instagram. The last time the wife did it for me is was an endless about of Asian men posing with their iron.

Blogger Shimshon April 12, 2016 8:44 AM  

SJW List has been completely inaccessible to me today.

May I also suggest using .io for any alt-tech sites? Sci-Hub moved here after they were no-platformed on .org. They were obviously skirting legal thin ice, but I imagine the three-letter TLDs are much more susceptible to convergence than .io, from what I read.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer April 12, 2016 8:49 AM  

I too am seeing issues with sjwlist.com. It can be pinged but when you try to connect cloudflare eventually reports an unknown error from the site.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer April 12, 2016 8:54 AM  

Have tried with three different browsers. Same error on each one.

Anonymous The OASF April 12, 2016 8:55 AM  

"Only use platforms that play fair - say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people."

Not sure how far you go with "silencing" people but it certainly appears that their search engines are rigged. I remember looking up "John Eldredge" of Ransomed Heart Ministries on there years ago and the first returns were "BEWARE TEACHINGS OF HERETIC AND HEATHEN JOHN ELDREDGE" (or some similar phrase) from some obscure websites.

I noticed that pattern on Google with my searches ever since.

Blogger tz April 12, 2016 9:00 AM  

@1, watch out, those aren't all gnats, many are wasps (pun intended).

This is a 4gw battle. Read up on it. It is being fought and won or lost on the moral level. It is mostly bloodless for now.

Anonymous Peter Garstig April 12, 2016 9:01 AM  

Vox: I wonder if you ever recieved an 'inquery' by google or associated about your blogs hosted by them?

Blogger ScottD April 12, 2016 9:09 AM  

Is there an alt-land with alt-defenses to move to? Because based upon the convergence that has already occurred in the US armed forces, this one is doomed.

Blogger Cynic In Chief April 12, 2016 9:10 AM  

Sorry about the downtime guys. We were under a DDOS attack for quite a while. We're already behind CloudFlare and on a fast server, but it still was able to take down the site for a few hours.

Blogger tz April 12, 2016 9:11 AM  

One tactic where the organization is being converged and it refuses to stop is to accelerate the process - cultural euthanasia. Once in virtue-signaling dotage, they will die. Actually they're already dead though the hair and nails of the corpse are still growing.

Blogger Christopher Yost April 12, 2016 9:14 AM  

On sjwlist.com -

So that page stating it's "checking my browser" is normal?

Anonymous Lycurgus April 12, 2016 9:16 AM  

say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people

I don't feel at all secure that they will remain that way. Their values are definitely left-wing.

Blogger Cynic In Chief April 12, 2016 9:23 AM  

Christopher Yost wrote:On sjwlist.com -

So that page stating it's "checking my browser" is normal?


Yes, that is CloudFlare attempting to make sure you aren't a bot. I've got it at the maximum level of protection without paying $200 per month for the "Business" plan (which I can't afford). If it gives you a connection issue, than the server is down because of the load.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer April 12, 2016 9:24 AM  

@13

The web hosting company is trying to tell if you are a bot.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 12, 2016 9:31 AM  

@16 Ron Winkleheimer and others:

Cloudflare is a company that provides services in between the web server and the user's browsers, one of them being DDoS protection.

They provide lower tier free services to, among other things, ideally have those customers suffer new types of attacks first, and to collect data that helps them protect all of their customers. They're pretty open and transparent, write up all sorts of interesting stuff which often gets submitted to Hacker News, where they also participate in the discussions.

Anonymous A Visitor April 12, 2016 9:36 AM  

"Stop using Facebook. Stop using Reddit. Stop using Wikipedia."

√, never used Reddit, and √. For anyone wondering, the Encyclopedia Britannica and New World Encyclopedias are available, online. Just Google them.

@1 What you're saying is they're not worthy enemies. √!

@2 I deleted mine in 2011 and never looked back. To say it was liberating is an understatement.

@14 Neither do I

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer April 12, 2016 9:38 AM  

They provide lower tier free services to, among other things, ideally have those customers suffer new types of attacks first, and to collect data that helps them protect all of their customers. They're pretty open and transparent, write up all sorts of interesting stuff which often gets submitted to Hacker News, where they also participate in the discussions.

Cool.

Anonymous VFM 5080 April 12, 2016 9:39 AM  

I am following a project called ipfs. It is a combination of bit torrent, git, bitcoin, and DNS. All the data is indexed by content. It doesn't reside on a central server so it cannot be blocked. It is what we need to keep our data accessible and uncorrupted. Http://ipfs.io

Blogger FALPhil April 12, 2016 9:39 AM  

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Anonymous Mike April 12, 2016 9:40 AM  

#2,

You can't delete your Facebook account completely. It's not allowed. What you can do is something more obnoxious to them which is use Facebook with AdBlock Plus turned on and aggressively blocking their ads. That's even worse. Even their efforts to monetize your posts assume they can use that info to sell to advertisers. If you block the ads they sell, then it amounts to nothing.

Anonymous glenintenn April 12, 2016 9:41 AM  

Social justice inherently requires totalitarianism because it demands both total convergence and total compliance.

One of the problems is that your average person nowadays is so blithely ignorant of history and "we've been at this crossroads... many times... before" that the conversation is waved off as The Crazies have Arrived.

Even the watered down Reader's Digest version of Hayek should be accessible but... can't even have a basic conversation about it... zero. zip. It's not cognitively accessible to the majority of the population.

Blogger Sheila4g April 12, 2016 9:53 AM  

@15 Cynic in Chief: "I've got it at the maximum level of protection without paying $200 per month for the "Business" plan (which I can't afford."

I lack the tech skills to be of any assistance in this project in any other way, but I could/would like to be able to help in some way - perhaps funding? I can't handle $200 a month, but would be able to kick in a smaller monthly amount. Perhaps if a few other readers could as well, we could cover that amount. Would this help? Is anyone else available to provide funding here?

Blogger FALPhil April 12, 2016 9:54 AM  

@4
May I also suggest using .io for any alt-tech sites? Sci-Hub moved here after they were no-platformed on .org. They were obviously skirting legal thin ice, but I imagine the three-letter TLDs are much more susceptible to convergence than .io, from what I read.

Maybe we should petition for a ".alt" TLD.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 12, 2016 9:56 AM  

say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people

That's not true Vox. A couple of weeks before Davis Aurini was set to release his documentary, his YouTube channel was shutdown due to complaints about his theology videos.

So yes, Google is playing politics. Just not with Google+. Yet.

Blogger Robert Coble April 12, 2016 9:56 AM  

Vox writes: "Social justice inherently requires totalitarianism because it demands both total convergence and total compliance."

In addition to Vox, F. A. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom provides extensive argumentation that ALL forms of collectivism REQUIRE totalitarianism. It is amazing that a great mind looking backward during the early 1940s and observing the seeds of destruction being sown by collectivists could be so prescient about our current times. Maybe we are experiencing déjà vu with Vox's warnings. . .

George Santayana: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

There is a Readers Digest condensed version available for free, which also includes The Intellectuals and Socialism.

Link: The Road to Serfdom, with The Intellectuals and Socialism

Anonymous Winston April 12, 2016 10:00 AM  

But you still use twitter?

Blogger Sick Sigma April 12, 2016 10:01 AM  

I never Google anything. I use info.com and get even better results.

Anonymous Gecko April 12, 2016 10:03 AM  

say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people

I've been hearing about their silencing of various YouTube channels, etc. I don't follow these things too closely, Vox, but I really have to doubt your claim here. If you or anyone else here could elaborate, I'm all ears.

Blogger Badmojo April 12, 2016 10:04 AM  

Google isn't playing fair, they're doing more and more conditioning:
https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-internet-flips-elections-and-alters-our-thoughts

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros April 12, 2016 10:08 AM  

Mike wrote:You can't delete your Facebook account completely. It's not allowed.

Strange, I did so months ago. Unless their info page lied, I won't be able to regain access, and everything that was associated with my specific account has been deleted from their servers. I already have had it confirmed that my comments on other people's posts have vanished.

Anonymous DDT April 12, 2016 10:17 AM  

Reddit has a clear alternative in Voat, though the performance is iffy. At the same time, Reddit does have some communities that are pretty great - The_Donald comes to mind, among a few others.

Facebook strikes me as not needing an alternative. I don't use it though, so maybe I'm missing out on something important other than cultural effect and taking pictures of your dinner/cat/cat's dinner.

Twitter, though. I know of no alternatives, but at the same time, it seems easy to make an effective one: they have a public API. Make an alternative which also posts to twitter, ideally with a link to the alternative platform each time, using a link shortener.

Has anyone done that last one?

OpenID denektenorsk April 12, 2016 10:22 AM  

https://voat.co/ is an alternative to Reddit that supports free speech.

I too am seeing issues with sjwlist.com. It can be pinged but when you try to connect cloudflare eventually reports an unknown error from the site.

Cloudflare is a low level protection against DDoS attacks. I'd expect something on the back end is compromised or misconfigured. Not unexpected given the subject matter. There is an offline backup, yes?

Another attack vector is the site owners Registrar account. If you can crack their credentials then point the DNS to a bad IP and/or port. Voila, chaos ensues. The best part with a DNS hijack is you can point it to a non-existant site and it can take upto 48 hours for the changes to roll out. During that time some customers can see the site and some cannot depending on what DNS has what entry. If you change the DNS entries every day or so chaos ensues as some customers can see the old site and some cannot. Flip/flop to/from the good entry and a bad entry for maximum hilarity.

This is why HTTPS is a thing - both encryption and prevention of man in the middle attacks. The certificate ensures I am who I say I am and tries to prevent hijacking like the above plus snoopers in the middle.

May I also suggest using .io for any alt-tech sites? Sci-Hub moved here after they were no-platformed on .org. They were obviously skirting legal thin ice, but I imagine the three-letter TLDs are much more susceptible to convergence than .io, from what I read.

What on Earth are you refering to? A domain name is a ticket to look up an IP. The top level domain (.com, .co, .gov, .uk, .ca, etc.) is a simple hint as to the location and/or function of the site. There are some criteria for belonging to some of the domains (e.g. .mil and .gov sites being the obvious ones) but .com is wide open. .org was originally for non-profits but it's not an absolute requirement.

OpenID denektenorsk April 12, 2016 10:26 AM  

So yes, Google is playing politics. Just not with Google+. Yet.

Why bother... no one uses it. :)

Blogger Gaiseric April 12, 2016 10:30 AM  

DDT wrote:Facebook strikes me as not needing an alternative. I don't use it though, so maybe I'm missing out on something important other than cultural effect and taking pictures of your dinner/cat/cat's dinner.

Twitter, though. I know of no alternatives, but at the same time, it seems easy to make an effective one: they have a public API. Make an alternative which also posts to twitter, ideally with a link to the alternative platform each time, using a link shortener.

That seems like a rather solipsistic perspective: nobody needs Facebook because I don't use it, but twitter is important!

In my own experience, I'd have said the opposite; Facebook serves a genuinely useful purpose, while Twitter is specifically designed to be pointless. But I don't assume that my own experience is paramount or indicative of anyone else's.

Blogger VD April 12, 2016 10:33 AM  

I don't feel at all secure that they will remain that way. Their values are definitely left-wing.

That's true, but they are also very smart. I very much doubt they are unaware that more than half their global market doesn't share their values.

Anonymous HalibetLector April 12, 2016 10:38 AM  

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people

That's not true Vox. A couple of weeks before Davis Aurini was set to release his documentary, his YouTube channel was shutdown due to complaints about his theology videos.

So yes, Google is playing politics. Just not with Google+. Yet.


From what I recall, google didn't take down his channel explicitly. It was an automated response to abuse reports that originated from outside google. Google, to their credit, put Davis's channel back up pretty quickly, which is more than you normally get out of Google. Their typical customer support cycle is to have an automated system say "NO, you can't have your email back", wait until you make a stink on reddit or hacker news, then somebody internal escalates it up the chain, then you get your email back.

I have no doubt google has plenty of SJW entryists in their company, but from what I can tell, they're still in sleeper mode. I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong, if you have some solid evidence to suggest otherwise. I have no love for google.

Anonymous DDT April 12, 2016 10:45 AM  

That seems like a rather solipsistic perspective: nobody needs Facebook because I don't use it, but twitter is important!

I said I don't use it precisely to point out that I may be missing an important aspect of it. I'd apologize for throwing cold water on your Facebook hardon, but just as with your facebook status updates about your lunch, your pets and your children, I don't give a shit.

I've seen twitter referenced throughout this election alone pretty often. I've even seen reddit be effectively ground zero for Gamergate, Milo Yiannopolous' stuff, and more. Maybe I've missed something, but the only thing I've seen on Facebook is people bitching about being unfriended over politics posts.

Feel free to explain what Facebook offers that needs to be replicated. If you can't, hey - observation stands.

OpenID basementhomebrewer April 12, 2016 10:46 AM  

OT: Washington Post has gone full in pro-European suicide.

Europe is abandoning it's Values!!!!

and

Europe is punishing refugees!!!


Included on the list is "requiring refugees to identify themselves" and "requiring refugees to learn German and integrate" This is full on advocacy of the destruction of European culture. The writers and editors that approved these stories should be introduced to lamp posts.

Anonymous DDT April 12, 2016 10:47 AM  

That's true, but they are also very smart. I very much doubt they are unaware that more than half their global market doesn't share their values.

The only worry I have there is that Google and other companies are also good about being regionally selective about their values. It's a bit like the recent religious freedom laws in the States - companies and people attack the states over 'homophobia' and try to punish them, and then happily deal with countries where being homosexual yields a one way trip off the top of a building.

Blogger Nate April 12, 2016 10:50 AM  

"Feel free to explain what Facebook offers that needs to be replicated. If you can't, hey - observation stands."

what facebook offers is what cannot be easily repicated. It offers connection and community which only comes from a massive userbase.

For example... you can start up a facebook group for you neighborhood.. and POOF... you will have tons of people in your neighborhood using it. Just like that.

You can poo poo it becuase its facebook... but the fact is in terms of marketing or community organization it is extremely useful. Its why I laugh when people say "stop using facebook". Its like the lefties saying stop using nukes.

We can move away from nukes when you provide us with a soy-based alternative that can obliterate cities.

We can move away from facebook with you can provide us an SJW-Free alternative that already has a built in user
base.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2016 10:55 AM  

aurini's YouTube channel is sorta kinda restored but he clearly was hit with a no-platform complaint-bot attack.

Kafkaesque is not a word I use casually, but reading through his account of dealing with YouTube's complaint section it is clearly applicable.

Blogger Salt April 12, 2016 11:02 AM  

Nate wrote:We can move away from facebook with you can provide us an SJW-Free alternative that already has a built in user base.

One thing strikes me about using FB, Twitter, etc, and that's not levaing but increasing visibility and numbers. Overwhelm our adversaries, making our usage increasingly indispenable.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 12, 2016 11:02 AM  

The problem is that in typical Google style, certainly needed in part because of their scale, YouTube complaints are handled first by algorithms (computer programs), and then only maybe by humans.

So their amenable authority is a machine, "nothing personal" and gameable, but they certainly try to fix the latter problem, because there are all sorts of griefers trying to take down YouTube channels for all sorts of reasons, many if not most this sort of political.

Blogger Nate April 12, 2016 11:09 AM  

hey.. SJWlist is still down. if someone can provide me a copy of the front page I will throw it up on my blog. and I encourage all of you to post it anywhere you can as well.

Anonymous DDT April 12, 2016 11:19 AM  

You can poo poo it becuase its facebook... but the fact is in terms of marketing or community organization it is extremely useful. Its why I laugh when people say "stop using facebook".

For example... you can start up a facebook group for you neighborhood.. and POOF... you will have tons of people in your neighborhood using it. Just like that.

Sure - marketing and certain kinds of community organization, I can see. I can even see, on a case by case basis, a situation where Facebook's rottenness may be overridden by the tradeoff in terms of impact or utility for a given goal.

Here's where things get a little more dicey.

You can poo poo it becuase its facebook... but the fact is in terms of marketing or community organization it is extremely useful. Its why I laugh when people say "stop using facebook". Its like the lefties saying stop using nukes.

Except not every move is worth it. I like Baldur's Gate/Forgotten Realms. I like the world, I'm familiar with the setting, and there's no real recent alternative for me, gamewise, if I want to play in that world, with those characters. Does that mean I'm committed to buying the most recent Baldur's Gate? No, because it's currently deved/written by a bunch of SJWs who I don't want to support, so that's that. Saying "There's no alternative" doesn't really mean shit, because principles overrides want there.

Now, if I'm marketing a mobile game and I want to reach as large of an audience as possible with it? Facebook offers a way to do that, and at least on the surface it seems like less of a petty concern. Especially if I'm a person who will take their money and influence and do something positive with it that will outweigh the tradeoff of using Facebook. There's dangerous slippery-slope spinoffs that can work with that kind of reasoning, and from it many a cuckservative has been minted. But to a certain point, an exception makes sense. Where's the line? Beats me - people will argue about it.

But if you tell me that Facebook is important because Mittens is -adorable- and you don't get nearly as many likes for your pictures of Mittens on an alternative platform so even suggesting you use it as a non-starter, akin to asking a lion to subsist entirely on breakfast cereal for the rest of its life, no. Doesn't seem like a compelling argument.

That said, Facebook has a public API, and I suspect it's similarly possible to combine it with another platform so at least you can base things off that platform and try to scrape other people to it. Using Facebook to leech Facebook users to another platform strikes me as acceptable. Call it similar to using a nicotine patch to quit smoking.

Of course, that's just my opinion, and maybe I just don't appreciate how important it is to maximize ease of access to pictures of someone's lunch or making it easier for the parents of the South Boston High School Football Team (Go Sahaugins!) to network.

Blogger The Other Robot April 12, 2016 11:22 AM  

For example... you can start up a facebook group for you neighborhood.. and POOF... you will have tons of people in your neighborhood using it. Just like that.

Nate like the fact that people can join a community with no effort at all and then converge it.

Blogger Ahazuerus April 12, 2016 11:24 AM  

Self-fulfilling prophecies.

We'll vote for a third party when one stands a chance of winning.

Necessity is the plea for every breach of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

Blogger The Other Robot April 12, 2016 11:25 AM  

hey.. SJWlist is still down. if someone can provide me a copy of the front page I will throw it up on my blog. and I encourage all of you to post it anywhere you can as well.

That is a good idea ... put it everywhere on the internet.

Blogger The Other Robot April 12, 2016 11:27 AM  

Post it on Facebook ...

Blogger Salt April 12, 2016 11:36 AM  

The Other Robot wrote:Nate like the fact that people can join a community with no effort at all and then converge it.

Not if you control it.

Blogger Nate April 12, 2016 11:51 AM  

"Nate like the fact that people can join a community with no effort at all and then converge it."

Nate likes closed facebook groups.

Anonymous BluePony April 12, 2016 12:04 PM  

"Why does my generation's enemies have to be the annoying type? ... It's just that ours seem so... ugh."

Maybe you are underestimating them?

Racist article on Quartz

We're now animals to be trained (read: broken) from our oh so awful ways. Clutch pearls. Faint on couch. End scene.

Sure, there's the endless legions of useful SJW idiots, but those pulling the strings are evil like humanity has rarely seen. They are not stupid, and know exactly what they are doing. Their goal is subjugation and authoritarian dominance. A new era of lords and serfs based on ideology. How much of the government do they already infest? About 98% here in California.

No platforming? These people dream of and masturbate to fantasies of sending BadThink SWAT teams to haul you off to a correctional camp for expressing "problematic" opinions, maybe shooting a "threatening" pet or child that gets in the way.

Anonymous BluePony April 12, 2016 12:05 PM  

"I will throw it up on my blog"

Phrasing! [/archer]

Blogger kurt9 April 12, 2016 12:06 PM  

I got into a tussle with a few of you over the relationship between the alt-right and classical liberalism. May I suggest as an alternative to classical liberalism that you promulgate a "Heinleinian" competence-oriented conservatism as an alternative to classical liberalism. Although his world-view changed throughout his life, one constant of Heinlein's world-view is that freedom and ignorance did not mix and that the ideal society is comprised of competent, self-reliant individuals. Perhaps this is the ideal the alt-right should strive for.

Anonymous DDT April 12, 2016 12:07 PM  

By the way, I keep talking about these APIs. For the lazy and curious, here you go.

Right there is access to Facebook's API. And Twitter's. And a whole lot more. That site is a great professional resource in general, but relevant to this thread is: are you a programmer? Then go brainstorm.

The biggest problem I ever have with these kinds of things are considerations about ISP-level blocks and controls. I'd set up webpages myself for alt-right purposes, but I always end up wondering how to find a place that won't shut me down.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 12, 2016 12:07 PM  

Nate is right about Facebook. There's a reason it has so many users, and it's not cat videos. Local newspapers, radio, etc. are all pretty much dead. Facebook has become their replacement.

(and the biggest challenge to local FB communities isn't SJW convergence, it's bored housewives with an outsized need for manufactured drama.)

I do think it's possible (and desirable) to change that. I have some ideas. Maybe even some time...

Blogger kurt9 April 12, 2016 12:18 PM  

Take the combined works of Robert Heinlein, Murray Rothbard, and Ayn Rand and you have the philosophical foundation for a new Western renaissance.

Blogger jay c April 12, 2016 12:20 PM  

The primary values of Facebook in my experience are maintaining social connections; marketing of events, products, and personalities; and encouraging group conversations among people of common interests... pretty much everything that social media everywhere is used for. And it does it very well. If the only things you see on Facebook are other people's lunches and cats, then you need new friends.

Until there's a viable replacement for Facebook, people aren't going to abandon it no matter how agenda-driven it might be.

Anonymous Philalethes April 12, 2016 12:20 PM  

@22 Mike

What you can do is something more obnoxious to them which is use Facebook with AdBlock Plus turned on and aggressively blocking their ads.

I haven't gotten into adblocking software, lacking the time/energy to figure out and configure it. And, being conscious of what pays for my "free" Web, I don't mind reasonable advertising. However, it's getting pretty far out of hand, and I've begun using Brave for particularly obnoxious sites – primarily, I'm sorry to say, Breitbart News, which is unusable in other browsers on my Mac or iPad. And now Brave is under attack from NYT, WSJ, among others. Boo-hoo-hoo. (Btw, the linked story is, ironically, a good example of the kind of site that's made Brave necessary. Too many clever gimmicks – Web designer fapping, if you ask me – and annoying slide-over ads.)

@45 Nate

hey.. SJWlist is still down. if someone can provide me a copy of the front page I will throw it up on my blog.

Unfortunately, same here; as of 12m EDT, it takes five minutes or more even to get to CloudFlare, then Error 502. Unfortunately, the Internet Archive Wayback Machine had not gotten around to archiving the site, so for the moment the site is definitely down. I don't have the techxpertise to help, so can only wish the staff the best.

Blogger jay c April 12, 2016 12:21 PM  

...what Nate said.

Anonymous Philalethes April 12, 2016 12:23 PM  

I have a Facebook account (using my "public" email) with nothing in it, which I found I needed to view pages of family and friends. I never enter anything on the site. I'll try the AdBlock Plus refinement when I can get around to it.

Blogger Nate April 12, 2016 12:31 PM  

(and the biggest challenge to local FB communities isn't SJW convergence, it's bored housewives with an outsized need for manufactured drama.)

Truer words were never spoken. In act.. the greatest threat to any community is bored women.

Blogger Cynic In Chief April 12, 2016 12:33 PM  

SJWList is back up. I've installed a new module that should help cut down on the DDOS load. I'm also making daily backups of the site so I can spin up a new copy if that gets taken down or hacked. Whatever happens, we won't be going away.

Blogger jay c April 12, 2016 12:38 PM  

Cynic In Chief, you should consider a way to get some paying sponsorship without compromising the integrity of the list.

Blogger The Other Robot April 12, 2016 12:39 PM  

Does O365 have an API where you can probe for names ... so I could download the list of SJWs off of sjwlist and then probe to see if any of them are in the company I work for?

Blogger jay c April 12, 2016 12:49 PM  

O365 probably does, but for now it might be easier to just search your company directory. You could even copy/paste the names into the BCC field in Outlook and press ctrl-K. Remember not to send.

Blogger The Other Robot April 12, 2016 12:51 PM  

Sure, but the appearance of such an app on a web site is sure to send even more shivers up their spines, if they have any.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 12, 2016 12:55 PM  

Also check out the Disconnect Chrome browser extension, it will automatically block those Facebook, Google (G+ I think) and Twitter icons that track you on web sites even when you're not logged in, and pages will load faster.

It will, however, unless you change the settings for a particular site (which is easy), not display Facebook based comments, in case you're on a site that benighted enough to use them, as HotAir just started doing. And likewise you'll miss some images displayed on sites like this one or Drudge that come from Twitter.

Blogger Austin Ballast April 12, 2016 1:10 PM  

So are they now saying that DDoS is a valid tactic to use? I wouldn't do that myself yet, but it is at least a good thing to be able to note.

Anonymous Gecko April 12, 2016 1:16 PM  

Also check out the Disconnect Chrome browser extension

Thank you, sir! I think this may join AdBlock Plus as part of any Chrome install I ever perform. I noticed I had to uncheck Amazon advertisements in order to see the book covers on this blog. Hopefully there's not much else I need to tweak.

Anonymous BGKB April 12, 2016 1:28 PM  

say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people

So that ((((Cohen))) was working all by himself to undermine Syria? Google will not even autocomplete "black people stole my" . I remember someone posting here that he couldn't find a blog post of his own when typing the entire title in.

companies and people attack the states over 'homophobia' and try to punish them, and then happily deal with countries where being homosexual yields a one way trip off the top of a building.

Apple Ceo Timmy Cook is ok with baca bazi because he has a small _______

Blogger Nate April 12, 2016 1:30 PM  

http://bloggerblaster.blogspot.com/2016/04/sjwlist-attack.html

I've got the list up on my blog. If you have a site or a blog I encourage you to recreate it.

Decentralize it.

Blogger Mark Mitchell April 12, 2016 1:31 PM  

Can I point out that Maelstrom is now in beta? I have no idea if it is converged, but it could be a way forward, and would leapfrog both DDoS and hosting problems.

Blogger praetorian April 12, 2016 1:34 PM  

If I may offer an alt-tech that I have found to be both excellent and against the spirit of the age: http://intercoolerjs.org/

The javascript community is lousy with SJWs, and this library has helped me avoid it while still building modern web apps.

Blogger Cynic In Chief April 12, 2016 1:36 PM  

jay c wrote:Cynic In Chief, you should consider a way to get some paying sponsorship without compromising the integrity of the list.

I've thought about making a donations page to defray at least some of the costs that I'm racking up, but I don't know of a good way to accept donations without also exposing another weakness for the SJWs to exploit. Paypal is already converged and I'd like to keep my anonymity as long as possible. Self funding is the easiest and most secure way right now.

Blogger CM April 12, 2016 1:38 PM  

We can move away from facebook with you can provide us an SJW-Free alternative that already has a built in user
base.


Curious if a way to get this is to have the alt-fb have an option to post to facebook with a link "Posted with Alt"...

So piggy back off the fb user base until a sufficient number shift to the new community group.

Lol @ what JC said about needing new friends.

Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2016 1:49 PM  

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Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2016 1:50 PM  

> We're now animals to be trained (read: broken) from our oh so awful ways. Clutch pearls. Faint on couch. End scene.

Too bad we're strawberry roans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3BkHtlSYR4

> Sure, there's the endless legions of useful SJW idiots, but those pulling the strings are evil like humanity has rarely seen.

If you're a Christian, you know who's pulling the strings, and we're well acquainted with that evil.

Blogger Rusty Fife April 12, 2016 1:51 PM  

kurt9 wrote:one constant of Heinlein's world-view is that freedom and ignorance did not mix and that the ideal society is comprised of competent, self-reliant individuals. Perhaps this is the ideal the alt-right should strive for

H8TR! What about us lazy shift less incompetents? Are you going to let us die in the streets?!

Blogger kurt9 April 12, 2016 2:05 PM  

say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people

That is not 100% true. Blogger "Al Fin" had an excellent series of blogs on both energy policy, where he favored nuclear over solar/wind, as well as HBD, which presented the usual information. He also had an excellent series of blog posts about raising "dangerous children" (a must read for anyone with kids - its about raising thoughtful, self-reliant children). Google administratively locked him out of his blogs about three years ago. He since then got his own domain name in order to prevent this problem in the future.

https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/

A must-read for anyone with kids and/or pro-family:

https://alfin2101.wordpress.com/

Blogger Sean Carnegie April 12, 2016 2:06 PM  

Cynic In Chief, you should consider a way to get some paying sponsorship without compromising the integrity of the list.

Might I suggest using Vox as a filter for the Ilk sending you caysh. I'm in for a monthly.

You know, if the Dark Lord isn't otherwise occupied doing what he does every other night... Try to take over the world!

Blogger Cynic In Chief April 12, 2016 2:11 PM  

Some SJWList statistics:
- 514,886 Total Requests
- 22,766 Total Unique Visitors
- 4 GB Total Bandwidth

This is including any DDOS stuff that gets through, but overall a pretty good number.

Anonymous Mature-Craig April 12, 2016 2:18 PM  

groups that have been subjugated and forced to choose between submission and elimination.
something in me always resists submitting to man, however I know that it is wise to submit to God... as far as submitting to a Godly man they have to be very Godly

Blogger ray April 12, 2016 2:21 PM  

"But unless it develops the Alt-Tech and successfully creates its own alternative technological and infrastructural institutions, it will suffer the same fate as other minority groups that have been subjugated and forced to choose between submission and elimination."


Correct. They will shut the door on you incrementally, banning individuals or groups from various platforms/media, as little consensus exists, and little collective defense. Same strategy used in the workplaces, courts, and schools the past forty years -- isolate, silence, and destroy individual resistance. Men remain quiet (or overtly complicit) while Some Other Guy gets stomped. Same old cuckfest.

'Open discussion' will only be allowed for so long, as they see now that resistance is forming and their traitorous scams are exposed. The only external edge you have is in technology, hacks, communications and etc., because genius in these areas rests largely with individuals, and not all of them can be hired-in or otherwise co-opted.

Appropriate persons already should be working on alternate platforms and messaging systems, in addition to developing 'helpful aids' for SJW/Establishment systems.

Put another way, the enemy's major deficiency is inability to control all software, human and otherwise. If you wait to exploit this, they'll slam the doors on you and turn you into Offenders, one by one. Then call it Progress and Public Safety.

Anonymous Mature-Craig April 12, 2016 2:22 PM  

as far as submitting to a Godly man they have to be very Godly

yesh they have to almost omnimanifest a divine nature for me to submit

Blogger ray April 12, 2016 2:31 PM  

#2 -- Right. Men have no business at places called Titter, Bumbler, and ptooey Facebook. Hated them from the getgo. Get away from those estrogen abysses and don't return. Any grown man that needs to be 'Liked' should get a visit from Dr. Kervorkian.

Anonymous Mature-Craig April 12, 2016 2:35 PM  

Stop using Facebook. Stop using Reddit. Stop using Wikipedia

I can enthusiastically avoid the former and the middle but as far as the latter...

Wikipedia is good for, for example looking up what years the show the Jeffersons was on TV (1975-85), for those of us that sometimes need to know things like that.. I am not sure if there is an alternative

Blogger Jeff Wood April 12, 2016 2:47 PM  

@75

"Self funding is the easiest and most secure way right now."

Competence and self-reliance in one.

However, if you find a way to raise funding, just let us know, Old Boy.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 12, 2016 3:21 PM  

Agreed.

I will say some parts of Reddit are fine though R/European and R/NorthAmerican are free speech havens and fully 100% pro White. The are well modded and infiltrators handled well. About the only "infiltrators" that end up are marginal philosemites which are not an issue. They don't get banned just booed

Amusingly R/European has more subscribers and more traffic than the SJW R/Europe which should tell you something

Also R/Darkenlightenment and R//TheRedPill are pretty good ad well though these might end up chopped.

/Pol can be dicey. I haven't been banned yet and I've done my Dread Ilk duty a few times. Not as well as I'd like but still can get the point across.

As for Wikipedia, I used to donate to them but since they got infected with SJW's no longer. They aren't bad for junk information as Mature Craig noted.

As soon as as a more Conservative option is out there, I'll dump Wikipedia though.

Eventually Reddit will get the axe though I think the subreddits save /pol I mentioned are still very good.

Anonymous BoysMom April 12, 2016 4:20 PM  

Facebook is the 2nd way we communicate with the Church youth, face to face Sunday morning being the 1st. We have a fair percentage from unchurched families. The basic requirement for us is that it has to be a platform the youth use. We don't expect facebook to always work for this--it used to be calling on the phone, then it was email, then it was texting--but facebook works for now.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 12, 2016 4:25 PM  

Mature-Craig:
Wikipedia is good for, for example looking up what years the show the Jeffersons was on TV (1975-85), for those of us that sometimes need to know things like that.. I am not sure if there is an alternative.

WP is also very good if you are referring to areas where the SJWs haven't yet been able to destroy things (give them time). For example, every Bach cantata (there are over 200) has its own WP page, with a thorough listing of movements, history of the texts used, scriptural references, etc.

That said, WP's content is creative commons so it is entirely possible to fork huge segments of it. The other issue is money. Wikipedia has 65 million USD on hand to pay employees, pay for admins, tech, etc. Wikimedia and Wikidata are likewise very useful. The main requirement for observation of the creative commons license is that the creator of the item in question be credited for their work (attribution). CC licenses come in different flavors, including some with non-commercial restrictions, viral aspects (share-alike), etc. The salient feature is that they terminate automatically when any of the license terms are violated (failure to attribute, using an n-c item commercially, etc.), leaving the violator open to full-bore copyright infringement.

Anonymous BluePony April 12, 2016 4:31 PM  

"If you're a Christian, you know who's pulling the strings, and we're well acquainted with that evil."

I'm not really anything at the moment other than confused but seeking answers in the dark and fallen world I find myself in. I've had sufficient personal experiences to let me know there's something going on outside the physical, so I'm no atheist. Faithful agnostic, perhaps?

Anyway, I tend to resist ascribing the evils of people to any sort of higher (lower?) agency. I feel it lets the people off the hook, even if only a little bit. I also think many folks can be deeply evil all by their lonesome, or, more often, in groups. And even if there is something greater going on, well, I can only fight what's going on here.

I'm just trying to resist the feeling that the battle was lost years ago. Every day I see people with billion of dollars and global organizations working against me and mine. And who do we not even hear about?

Anonymous Mature-Craig April 12, 2016 4:43 PM  

thinking about it a bit more I have to say that Wikipedia has always been there for me when I have turned to it for information, I have never felt unsatisfied with information from them, however I don't care for the prefix -Wiki- maybe they can change that

Anonymous Mature-Craig April 12, 2016 4:47 PM  

thinking about it still more... Though I would advise younger people to not get sucked up into the internet like I did, ... life experience is much more valuable than reading about things on wikipedia

Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2016 4:51 PM  

> Anyway, I tend to resist ascribing the evils of people to any sort of higher (lower?) agency. I feel it lets the people off the hook, even if only a little bit.

Not when they willingly choose their master. They're still fully responsible for their actions.

Anonymous Greg April 12, 2016 5:37 PM  

Cynic: "but I don't know of a good way to accept donations without also exposing another weakness for the SJWs to exploit"

Bitcoin (or other cryptocurrencies) are the way to go.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2016 5:50 PM  

Greg wrote:Bitcoin (or other cryptocurrencies) are the way to go.
Bit coin is neither private nor secure. every bitcoin transaction is traceble through the bitcoin itself, and identity can be tracked through the wallet sites. And can be stolen there too.

Anonymous Bowman April 12, 2016 6:14 PM  

It's exactly what Curtis Yarvin is working on with Urbit, an independent client with decentralized communities.
Also OpenBazaar for business, and plenty of others.

Bitcoin privacy is worked on intensely, there are already coin mixers, and new solutions are coming.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2016 7:01 PM  

@83 Mature-Craig

groups that have been subjugated and forced to choose between submission and elimination.
something in me always resists submitting to man, however I know that it is wise to submit to God... as far as submitting to a Godly man they have to be very Godly
---

You've triggered me. Good Golly Miss Molly :P

Anonymous Greg April 12, 2016 7:23 PM  

"Bit coin is neither private nor secure. every bitcoin transaction is traceble through the bitcoin itself, and identity can be tracked through the wallet sites. And can be stolen there too."

I'm not sure that's an up-to-date understanding of how Bitcoin works. For example, each transaction can have a unique address.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 12, 2016 7:50 PM  

Cynic-in-Chief: "I've thought about making a donations page to defray at least some of the costs that I'm racking up, but I don't know of a good way to accept donations without also exposing another weakness for the SJWs to exploit."

A donation via Castalia House "purchase" might be something to consider. Those purchases would be handled the same way as others are from donors to CH, while the details of funds transfers to you from CH would be invisible to everybody else.

Depending on whether or not they're amenable to the idea, of course.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 12, 2016 8:25 PM  

BoysMom: "Facebook is the 2nd way we communicate with the Church youth, face to face Sunday morning being the 1st. We have a fair percentage from unchurched families. The basic requirement for us is that it has to be a platform the youth use. We don't expect facebook to always work for this--it used to be calling on the phone, then it was email, then it was texting--but facebook works for now."

You might consider Nextdoor for that kind of thing. Like Facebook, you can create a private group for your church and disseminate information only to members via that channel. The drawback (or pro, depending on how you look at it) is that it's not as anonymous as Facebook since it's tied to a real name and an actual physical address.

And I'm not sure how converged it is in comparison to Facebook...though given their user guidelines and San Francisco base of operations, I'd say it's probably a fair bet that it's not far behind.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 12, 2016 10:56 PM  

Bitcoin privacy is worked on intensely, there are already coin mixers, and new solutions are coming.

Do you really think a digital currency, exchanged over Internet connections, is going to be untraceable?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2016 11:23 PM  

My face when I discover that most of my bit coin transactions have gone through US Govt owned or govt compromised computers

Anonymous cheddarman of Christendom April 13, 2016 1:46 AM  

To capture the bored women demographic from facebook, there has got to be a way to give them a virtual alpha male delivered slap on the ass for using a nonconverged platform. I don't know what this would look like but understanding game and sociosexual hierarchies could help provide an answer.

Anonymous zzzz April 13, 2016 3:30 PM  

"Stop using Facebook. Stop using Reddit. Stop using Wikipedia."

agree with that 100% but stop using twitter as well

"Only use platforms that play fair - say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people - and start building and supporting and using alternatives to the fully converged platforms."

in addition to selling out their users' privacy for $$$ and then laughing "what, you didn't think you had any privacy on the internet did you? hahaha" google also makes their best data avail only to demorats. im not surprised if their search results are slanted as well. their involvement in so called arab spring and possible involvement in encouraging refugees to flood Europe. ive had enough of them.

Anonymous zzzz April 13, 2016 3:43 PM  

"7. The OASF April 12, 2016 8:55 AM

"Only use platforms that play fair - say what you will about Google, but they are not in the business of no-platforming and silencing people."

Not sure how far you go with "silencing" people but it certainly appears that their search engines are rigged. I remember looking up "John Eldredge" of Ransomed Heart Ministries on there years ago and the first returns were "BEWARE TEACHINGS OF HERETIC AND HEATHEN JOHN ELDREDGE" (or some similar phrase) from some obscure websites.

I noticed that pattern on Google with my searches ever since."

I even notice this with Startpage/Ixquick as well. maybe 1 in 10 results doesnt belong - and I go to the page and see if there are tags or something but there arent. more and more spanish lang results too. almost like there is an agenda comng from on high.

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