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Tuesday, April 05, 2016

Cheap at the price

Critics complain Trump's deportation plan would cost $500 billion:
Presidential candidate Donald Trump’s plan to deport all undocumented immigrants would cost between $400 billion and $600 billion and take at least 20 years to implement, according to a report from the American Action Forum.

The report estimates that there are currently 11.3 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States. To deport them, these individuals would have to be apprehended, detained, legally processed, and transported back to the country they originated from.

In order to do this in two years like Trump has proposed, the report estimates that there would need to be 90,582 federal immigration apprehension employees, 348,831 immigration detention beds, 1,316 immigration courts, 32,445 federal attorneys to process undocumented immigrants, and a minimum of 17,296 chartered flights and 30,701 chartered bus trips.

“If the federal government were to remove all undocumented immigrants in only two years, it would require a massive expansion of the federal government’s immigration enforcement personnel and infrastructure,” states the report.

The report says that if the federal government began enforcing mass deportation, about 20 percent of undocumented immigrants would begin to leave voluntarily which would leave about 9 million illegal aliens in the country. Currently, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement only has the capacity to remove 400,000 undocumented immigrants in one year.

“That means if ICE were to operate at its current maximum capacity, it would take over 20 years to remove 9.04 million undocumented immigrants,” states the report. “To remove those 9.04 million immigrants in two years, ICE would have to remove 4.52 million immigrants per year. That is 11.3 times larger than ICE’s current maximum capacity.”
I can solve those problems easily. The answer is private enterprise. The AAF estimate claims a cost of $55,555 per individual deported. So, the cost can be cut to less than $100 billion by simply offering a $10,000 bounty on every illegal immigrant delivered to a station on the Mexican border. Assume that it costs $5k to do a quick identity check to confirm their status and transport them home.

That means the USA would be saving nearly $250 billion per year based on the $346 billion per year that illegal aliens cost as estimated by the National Research Council. Trump is not only right to call for deportations, but America can't afford NOT to round them up and repatriate them.

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137 Comments:

Anonymous FisherOfMen April 05, 2016 4:52 AM  

Any worry about government costs from the left, establishment, or media is just concern trolling at this point and should be ignored, not treated as honest debate or arguments.

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2016 4:57 AM  

Even cheaper: send all deportations to Somalia. Allow embedded journalists to accompany them and docement the results. After a few flights of hundreds, the millions remaining will take themselves out.

Blogger Galahad78 April 05, 2016 5:16 AM  

Simple cost-benefit analysis.

Blogger SteelPalm April 05, 2016 5:31 AM  

Heh, an amusing response blending both dialectic and rhetoric.

Obviously, leftists complaining about government costs, as FisherofMen noted above, is like a serial rapist complaining about defenseless women walking alone at night.

However, Vox takes them at their word and shows that voila! It's actually a tremendous savings to the US if done properly.

Blogger James Higham April 05, 2016 5:41 AM  

I don't care what it costs. Just do it.

Blogger Sherwood family April 05, 2016 5:43 AM  

The original concept of "outlaw" is in order, I think. It meant more than someone who was a criminal. It meant someone who was to be denied all legal protections, whose property and person were forfeit. Since illegals are by definition in violation of the law and are also not citizens such an approach would be consistent with the law and would rather rapidly force these individuals to seek the protections of the laws in their own native countries rather than exist as lawful prey to U.S. citizens. They self-deport the problem is solved on the cheap.

Blogger Ron April 05, 2016 5:56 AM  

What a nightmare.

Blogger Lovekraft April 05, 2016 5:57 AM  

Send the bill to he who allowed them in in the first place: Obama.

Blogger Kona Commuter April 05, 2016 6:03 AM  

It's not rocket science. The left just want it to appear to hard in order for the only "easy" solution is theirs.

Blogger Shimshon April 05, 2016 6:04 AM  

If a $10K bounty were offered to the illegals too, many more than 20% would voluntarily self-deport.

Blogger KJE April 05, 2016 6:16 AM  

Simply to make liberal's head explode, I guarantee that Haliburton would get that wall up in 12 months or less...

Blogger Sherwood family April 05, 2016 6:18 AM  

The best policy would be a combination: a $10k incentive for every illegal within the first 60 days to self-deport, $10k bounty on any adult illegal for the 10 months following, and after that any who remain in country would be declared outlaw with no legal protections. Leave early make money, leave later get money made on you, stay and suffer losing all of your possessions/life.

Anonymous TBA April 05, 2016 6:21 AM  

The easiest and cheapest way could be to stop them from making a living: enforce the laws against hiring illegals, and refuse them any welfare benefits.

"If a $10K bounty were offered to the illegals too, many more than 20% would voluntarily self-deport."
Many would probably cross the border from Mexico to make a quick $10K. Maybe several times, if ID checks don't work properly.

Blogger Rantor April 05, 2016 6:29 AM  

Offer $500 and a one way ticket home to any illegal who walks in off the street... reduce cost to not more than $3,000.

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2016 6:30 AM  

Respect all immigrants now!

We are reliably informed that it is disrespectful to expect them to integrate, and diversity plus proximity equals war, so we can only respect them by gently (yet firmly) ensuring their exportation.

Anonymous Rogelio April 05, 2016 6:36 AM  

What about the court cost and economic cost of all the people arrested for kidnapping when the results of the quick identity checks at the border Are not as expected?

Blogger Jew613 April 05, 2016 6:39 AM  

What did it cost during operation Wetback for each illegal deported adjusted for 2016 dollars? How much does the average illegal cost the government in welfare benefits?

Blogger MATT April 05, 2016 6:45 AM  

Hitting the pockets would hurt the illegal Irish, polish Greek etc too. Win win

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 April 05, 2016 6:47 AM  

by simply offering a $10,000 bounty on every illegal immigrant delivered to a station on the Mexican border

...I can see that getting really ugly.

Blogger Lazarus April 05, 2016 6:48 AM  

Looks like Italy needs a Trump, also ....





Italy Seeks Greek-Style Solution

The Financial Times reports Italy Pleads for Greek-Style Push to Return its Migrants.

In an interview with the FT, Angelino Alfano, Italy’s interior minister, says the EU should move to secure deals with African nations, which are the source of the vast majority of migrants arriving in Italy, offering economic aid in exchange for taking back their citizens and preventing new flows.



Mr Alfano’s request reflects renewed nervousness in Rome about the migration crisis following an 80 per cent spike in the number of arrivals to Italy across the central Mediterranean Sea in the first quarter of this year compared to 2015.

OpenID basementhomebrewer April 05, 2016 6:49 AM  

The 20% number someone pulled straight from their nether regions. Ruthlessly enforce the law against businesses that employ illegals and cut off all government services would cause 90% to self deport. The remaining 10% will stay for the purposes of criminal enterprise (drugs, trafficking etc.). The average american has no problem with those individuals being rounded up.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 05, 2016 6:51 AM  

The establishment writes this crap so the conservatives go sperg and start acting like green eye shade accountants that will quibble the details while allowing the moral level to slip towards the left

Blogger MATT April 05, 2016 6:52 AM  

"...I can see that getting really ugly."

I foresee Neo Glanton Gangs.

Anonymous Philipp April 05, 2016 6:59 AM  

"...by simply offering a $10,000 bounty on every illegal immigrant delivered to a station on the Mexican border."

Oh my, I can hear the screams of "racist" and "xenophobe" from the SWJ, the left, moderate Republicans and cuckservatives already.

The reactions to this proposal (if there is ever a leader who has the balls to actually suggest and implement) might even start the Second American Civil War.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 05, 2016 7:03 AM  

"Racist" so how can the use of that word be turned against the user?

"Only an assclown uses the word 'racist' anymore", yeah I know its weak but it is a start

Blogger Stephen April 05, 2016 7:05 AM  

Currently it is my understanding that in the USA State LEOs are not allowed to arrest people for immigration offenses. So a simple reform would be to make it mandatory for LEO to capture any illegal they find for deportation. It should also be mandatory Duty for any Tax official, Welfare agent, landlord, or employer to inform the relevant authorities about any illegal they encounter. With large punitive fines for all immigration collaborators, fines that can be offered as bounties to those who inform on such traitors.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2016 7:12 AM  

Bah. This isnt' that big a deal. Time to put those FEMA camps to use.

Blogger weka April 05, 2016 7:13 AM  

Bounty Hunting... I suggest Mr Trump read the works of the Manatee (Larry C.) for a model.

Wall and 100K per person delivered to the wall? Good employment for those who can track, over the internet and through the forest.

The issue is not as much logistics as political will.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2016 7:14 AM  

regardless... self deportation is obviously the way to go. "if we catch you here illegally we're sending you to syria to fight ISIS."

Watch speedy Gonzalez bail.

Blogger Jack Aubrey April 05, 2016 7:16 AM  

There they go with that 11 million number again. 30 is the new 11?

Blogger Subversive Saint April 05, 2016 7:19 AM  

It's important to note that the " impossible" task of clearing illegal immigrants from the shores has been proven possible with simple math. The protester already assumes the sale is closed by taking on the exercise of proving it would be too expensive.

Blogger Elocutioner April 05, 2016 7:27 AM  

Asset forfeiture. Split the auction results between law enforcement and whomever turned them in.

The idea that we're morally required to grant non-citizens trials and full legal proceedings as if they're Americans is ridiculous. Making any required legal changes should be easy. The courts should only be accessible to people here legally. Congress sets up the lower courts and their jurisdictions. I wonder why it hasn't been done already...?

Blogger John S April 05, 2016 7:34 AM  

Hey, they finally found a sector of government they don't want to grow: immigration enforcement.

Also factor in the long-term savings in welfare payments (Latin American immigrants use at %70 vs native %35!) versus a one time outlay to give these economically unproductive deadbeats the boot.

Here's a Molyneux video with a guy from the Center for Immigration Studies about this :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yjjSG705Inc

Blogger Patrick April 05, 2016 7:34 AM  

Let's allow a problem to metastasize and then claim it's too big to fix.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 05, 2016 7:34 AM  

So $30B per year assuming the high end and a 20 year time frame? Trivial. In other words, this report strongly supports the feasibility of the deportations and argues the number can be much highers and the time period much shorter while still being affordable. And of course the savings in government spending that would be saved as a result of removing low IQ parasites is not taken into account.

Blogger Doom April 05, 2016 7:37 AM  

I am easily down with this. And, I think the affordability problem is a fiction. As noted by many, even if that were the true price it's definitely more of a savings than cost, and there are many ways to mitigate or even eliminate most of that cost.

However, that solves a problem, which leads to the next problem. The only way to solve that next problem is to remove women from the workforce and encourage families. Unless they have children, workforce flow is a problem... among other things. One step at a time. Sure. Just understand that a step is just a start. But you don't get anywhere if you take one step and stop. Follow through, lads.

Blogger Patrick April 05, 2016 7:41 AM  

@32, How did Ike do it? Do changes in the law since then prevent it from being done that way?

Blogger Patrick April 05, 2016 7:42 AM  

@29, Ending sanctuary cities would be a great start.

Anonymous aero April 05, 2016 7:47 AM  

There is two ways to move people. Fear and rewards. Take the rewards away from them. and increase the fear. They will move where they feel safe usually where they came from.
It cost more then 500 billion in rewards to them. So by not giving them anything we save that 500 + billion. Increase there fear by taking away all their hope and dreams. They cannot own anything except the clothes they wear. Everything else will be taken away. any one that gives them aid can loose everything they own except the clothes they wear. By doing this the government make money.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 05, 2016 7:54 AM  

Plenty of sunk costs eith the military. Bring military from abroad and use them to transport the illegals to tbe border.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 05, 2016 7:55 AM  

Plenty of sunk costs eith the military. Bring military from abroad and use them to transport the illegals to tbe border.

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2016 8:02 AM  

There are a shit ton of federal employees who have jobs for no other reason than they can't be gotten rid of.

Reassign them.

Problem solved with no additional cost. Maybe at a small savings.

Then, when the job is done, get rid of them too.

Blogger dienw April 05, 2016 8:13 AM  

Patrick wrote:@29, Ending sanctuary cities would be a great start.
Oddly enough, Obam has led the way in providing an example as to how that could be done: he has threatened to cut off all Federal monies coming to North Carolina because it just passed a law restoring sanity in the restroom wars.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 05, 2016 8:19 AM  

The big expense would be setting up courts to adjudicate legal status. Not impossible, though.

But the expulsion legislation needs to have carrot and stick. Give illegals 30 days to self-identify. Those who do have 90 days to wind up their affairs and leave with their goods. They may apply for legal entry later.

Those who don't, or try to overstay, are considered terrorists. If caught, they will be ejected to a destination of our choice with the clothes in their backs. If they attempt to enter the country again, they will be deported across a convenient border. 12 miles out to sea is convenient.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 05, 2016 8:27 AM  

What BS.

It's well-known that the IRS is extremely good at matching up all the records sent to it by employers & financial institutions. Every 1099, every FICA remittance and such gets matched.

What doesn't match? Phony or duplicate SSN's. What does almost EVERY illegal have?

Duh. It would be trivially simply to use the IRS' database to identify, locate and round up those in the USA illegally. Within four weeks of announcing such a program to so use the IRS system, 90% of illegals would go home, and those who were left would see their employers unwilling to take the risk of employing them.

Oh, and let's pass a law that anyone who employs an illegal is permanently barred from federal or state political office. I'm sick of reading about these douche-bag pols whose wives have Guatemalan nannies watching the kiddies.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 05, 2016 8:31 AM  

I get a belly-laugh at Leftists who are happy to use the IRS to enforce their MEDICAL mandates but no one imagines (oh, the horrors!) using the IRS to help enforce immigration and employment law (or even the tax laws associated with those.)

I hate the the IRS. 1913 was an inflection point in the demise of the American Experiment. But if we're stuck with it today, for once let it be put to a good use.

Anonymous RC April 05, 2016 8:40 AM  

Once delivered to the border they are part of a work camp for one year to build the wall, then landscape it.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 05, 2016 8:42 AM  

We already have debt slavery. Huge numbers of people work in order to pay off debt.

Make illegal immigration status a fineable offense. Make it a large fine with a graduated rate depending on distance to the Mexican border, closer to border = lower the fine, Make the fine a state or county level fine and not federal. Put the illegal to work paying off the debt, with chains if needed. Enforce his economic status by tatooing his face and only designated stores are allowed to sell him anything. Ban access to money wire services for all non-citizens. Voila, defacto chattel slavery and a powerful incentive to self deport.

Of course leftists will do this to their own and call it safety.

Anonymous WinstonWebb April 05, 2016 8:47 AM  

These are all fine ideas, lads. Unfortunately, you're all just a little too premature. The American electorate (and CERTAINLY the pols) do not have the desire to see this through on any significant level yet. Now, the pendulum has started to return and repatriation looks likely in our lifetimes, but (barring an "event") it's gonna be a while before any of these suggestions will get past a hostile Congress.

Anonymous NateM April 05, 2016 8:52 AM  

*Assume that it costs $5k to do a quick identity check to confirm their status and transport them home"

From a border station it Wouldn't even be that much. All Border Patrol station have the processing facilities, and rarely have men assigned to half the computers/fingerprint stations available. Many Border Patrol Stations are pretty slow these days so they can redirect men out of the field into processing to handle the influx and use drive the vans and use assigned vehicles to ferry the Mexican citizens to the border crossing. The OTMs (other than mexicans) will be more costly, but those they can transport up to the Sector HQ like they did during the big influx in 2007-2008 for removal. And honestly Mexicans outnumber OTMs a great deal, making 9 out of 10 the Patrol catches or more. These PAs are already on the payroll so no extra cost there,(many collect fat checks to sit around depending where they are) just cost of private contractors for transport to move them around to other stations like Nogales and Douglas that have huge facilities vs smaller stations with fewer guys and space.


Only drawback is the Tonks the Border Patrol catch who could be easily removed with minimal time/checks were considered voluntary removal (VR). They basically admit they're not present legally, you fill out one form and they get removed. This opposed to another formal removal where there's an A# attached that follows them each Tim they get removed. So if someone hasn't been deported there's no A# attached, so it's harder to prove. They do keep track of voluntary removals, so they could reference that and out the burden of privibg citizenship on them.

So tl;dr, it may not be as costly as you think, but could present logistical problems even once those aliens reach the border.

But then if the prove citizenship for re entry, no harm no foul, the bounty that was paid gets taken from the person who brought them and given to the incorrectly deported.

Blogger rumpole5 April 05, 2016 8:54 AM  

How about a $20,000 bounty and a ticket home to the illegal along with consent to implant a traceable chip to discourage 're-entry. This could be a real boon to their home economies.

Blogger dienw April 05, 2016 8:58 AM  

@ 45 dc.sunsets
Duh. It would be trivially simply to use the IRS' database to identify, locate and round up those in the USA illegally.

That is a great plan...for shutting down the IRS: the SWJs running the IRS would rather erase the database than see an effective means of ridding this country of invaders.

Blogger James Dixon April 05, 2016 9:03 AM  

> The 20% number someone pulled straight from their nether regions. Ruthlessly enforce the law against businesses that employ illegals and cut off all government services would cause 90% to self deport.

I'd be more conservative than you and say 80%. But yeah, the 20% figure is bogus.

Blogger James Dixon April 05, 2016 9:04 AM  

> That is a great plan...for shutting down the IRS

Win, win.

Blogger rumpole5 April 05, 2016 9:15 AM  

Most of the solutions posited here focus on punishing the illegals. That is the wrong approach. Our greedy elite are the primary folks who should be punished. The illegals should be discouraged from coming by withdrawal of benefits (welfare, jobs, etc.) and encouraged to return by positive inducements. The main negative effects should be visited on Americans who encourage this mess.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 05, 2016 9:33 AM  

The will is not yet there, I agree, but no trend emerges full-sized. What is being reversed before our eyes is equalist cult dogma six centuries in the making.

It will be dismantled (and replaced by something else) one level at a time. Just as the Progressives who backed the Volstead Act could not imagine their direct descendants demanding men with hairy nutsacks be allowed to recline nude in front of 7 year old girls in the girl's locker room, the cultists of today cannot imagine that such successive layers of idiocy can be eliminated. Listen to these people carefully; they live like children in the Perpetual Now. They cannot begin to imagine trends that actually change.

We can. We have a better sense of what went before. We have a clearer vision of what has been lost. We know what must be recovered.

Anonymous Bz April 05, 2016 9:35 AM  

$500bn over 20 years is a budget rounding error. That's roughly the one-year federal budget deficit in 2015 (2.5% of 2015 GDP).

Blogger dc.sunsets April 05, 2016 9:38 AM  

The illegals should be discouraged from coming by withdrawal of benefits

Job One: no free treatment at hospitals. Who in the USA believes any of us could show up in Mexico at a hospital and receive free treatment? Forever? Don't make me laugh.

It will take time; since all services (educational, medical, etc.) are ultimately paid for, and money is fungible, it is impossible to "give" children benefits without for all practical purposes PAYING their parents. Ending payment to adults requires stiffing their kids, too. This will be a difficult bar to cross until many Americans wake up and realize that resources stripped from them to pay for illegals (kids and adults) are robbing their own children blind, deaf and dumb.

Blogger Otto Lamp April 05, 2016 9:48 AM  

There is a cheaper way: the IRS.

Disallow the deduction of any business associated with the employment of an illegal alien.

1) It's the law now. Business expenses associated with an illegal activity cannot be deducted as a business expense. Hiring illegal aliens is illegal.

2) The system to identify illegal alien employees is in place now. If the social-security-number, name, gender, and date-of-birth of the employee don't match what is in the federal system, they are illegal. Plus, this info already has to be reported to the feds, so nobody can argue about putting added burdens on business.

3) It would only take an executive order by the president to the IRS to tell them to start enforcing the existing law by disallowing ALL business expenses for illegal activities to implement this.

That cheap labor suddenly won't look so cheap when a business can't deduct the cost of it off their taxes as a business expense.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus April 05, 2016 9:59 AM  

How is it that we could deport a couple of million in the space of a few months using 1950s technology, but now it'll supposedly take 20 years to deport something like only six times more of them?

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 05, 2016 10:01 AM  

All of the early-on Repub candidates who failed to gauge Americans' feelings about immigration and the economy quickly disappeared. Trump was early-on aware of what the temper of the nation was.
Thought this sums it up:
http://buchanan.org/blog/what-trump-has-wrought-125088

Anonymous Great Again April 05, 2016 10:01 AM  

Offer $5000 and a one way ticket to any illegal immigrant to simply leave. They can take their stuff with them. Put a permanent tattoo on their forearm (or somewhere) that indicates that they participated in the voluntary departure program and got paid. If we find them again in our country, bad things will happen.

Anonymous BGKB April 05, 2016 10:06 AM  

Cut off benefits, have TRUMP offer pardons now for those who kill any illegal alien who has killed an American, has MS-13 facial tattoos, drug dealers, or shot dead with a full auto machine gun. Bath House Barry just set free drug dealers while leaving the life saving Leavenworth 10 in jail. A lot of the problem would self deport.

Pass a law that hospitals have to report any illegal alien they know is getting treatment, just as they do suspicious GunShotWounds, also let that pardon carry over to nurses so when they get that same illegal alien drunk driver for the 3rd time they can play black doctor.

No more fraudulent child tax credit for 20 kids, no more HR asking illegals to explain why 123-45-6789 came back as a social security number mismatch a year after they have been legally hired, letting them slip away. There is a woman whose ssn was being used by over 200 illegal aliens to work, but all claimed lots of children so the IRS investigated the one person that had a stable home for fraud.

Anonymous redsash April 05, 2016 10:07 AM  

Jail time and huge fines for the proprietors, partnerships, corporate officers and board of directors who hire illegal aliens would eliminate the problem within one year. A huge bounty for co-workers who rat out their traitorous bosses, coupled with an inability of illegal aliens to produce the correct papers (birth certificates, high school graduation records, etc.), problem solved.

Tennessee had around 110,000 employers and at least 50 field auditors back in 2004. Each auditor had to audit around 15 employers per quarter (60 audits per year per auditor / 3000 audits for the dept. per year / the U.S. Dept of Labor target was 2% of employers, and from memory, 2% of these had to be large employers with at least 100 employees.) I was the ENFORCER. These auditors were looking for HIDDEN W A G E S ! They had to examine Forms 940, 941s, W-2s, 1099s, state wage & premium reports, income tax returns, p/l statements, payroll journals, cash disbursements journals, check registers, plus check out suspect casual labor suspects. TAKE MY WORD that upon a call in secret, to a man and woman, these auditors would gladly quadruple their output if all they had to do was to listen to suspect accents, and look at birth certificates, W-2s, 1099s, and check registers.

Troops from S Korea and Europe could easily handle the logistics.

Blogger Rusty Fife April 05, 2016 10:09 AM  

The key is that you want the vast army of underemployed lawyers working for deportation; not against it.

If they are working against it, then it adds friction you want to avoid. Otherwise, they will find a way to lubricate the process for you.

If Big Law can make some scratch, the judges will fall in line.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 05, 2016 10:12 AM  

@26 "Currently it is my understanding that in the USA State LEOs are not allowed to arrest people for immigration offenses."

It is specifically in current immigration law that LEOs can check identification and arrest for immigration offenses:

1. If they are specially trained by the feds and given leave to do so - quite a few are in various programs in various states and of course are fought tooth and nail over it
2. If the president declares an emergency, all LEOs have the power to always check ID and always arrest for immigration offenses.

With the stroke of a pen, President Trump could give all LEOs the power to arrest and detain for immigration offenses.

Then we could see if we really have FEMA prison camps like the websites say to keep them in while we process them for removal. Declare no bail because of failures to appear.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 05, 2016 10:12 AM  

Maybe the illegals can also be made to shovel dirt and make the Rio Grande/Bravo into an expansion of the intra-coastal waterway ..; all the way to El Paso.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 05, 2016 10:16 AM  

We could also immediately deport everyone who applied for DREAMer status because they admitted they were illegal aliens on the application. It's a direct admission of guilt.

Blogger pyrrhus April 05, 2016 10:19 AM  

In the Middle Ages, the King could simply order a group to leave the country within, say 30 days. Any who violated the order would be Outlaws, who could be robbed, killed, or turned in for a bounty, perhaps, by any man in the kingdom.....no cost at all...

Blogger BunE22 April 05, 2016 10:23 AM  

If they cut off all government assistance, kick non-visa holder non-citizens out of the schools, and fine any employee that hires illegals I think a lot more would self deport.

The US is too hospitable to illegals, make it inhospitable.

Blogger Phelps April 05, 2016 10:25 AM  

My BiL is an ICE agent. I know from him that they've NEVER been allowed to actually find out what their "max capacity" is. I guarantee you -- they would find a way.

No one joins ICE as an agent to NOT deport illegals.

Anonymous Alec April 05, 2016 10:35 AM  

Allowing Qui Tam suits (a private lawsuit where the private party splits the fine with the government) for all immigration violations would quickly destroy illegal immigration (as well as much exploitation of legal immigration).

Anonymous BGKB April 05, 2016 10:37 AM  

I see your billions and list the cost of illegals retirement benefits alone as 1.3Trillion.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/17/robert-rector-estimates-lifetime-retirement-costs-of-illegals-granted-executive-amnesty-at-1-3-trillion/

500 billion would be 5 years of what illegals cost us now. Like the 500,000 in lifetime benefits its probably too low.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317

There are illegals collecting social security disability, and if given amnesty most would collect SSD for NO SPEAK ENGLISH just like Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico.

...I can see that getting really ugly.

I use the example of golden dawn tossing illegal aliens out of hospitals because citizens couldn't get treatment and ask if they would do anything to stop them because I would only say "oh you shouldn't do that, I am calling the supervisor when my break is over"

Asset forfeiture. Split the auction results between law enforcement and whomever turned them in.

That would only be good if drugs are legalized.

Ending sanctuary cities would be a great start.

Ending taxpayer money to sanctuary cities even better, they are usually the biggest money pits in a state.

No one ,but Hispanics, joins ICE as an agent to NOT deport illegals.

Blogger John Williams April 05, 2016 10:37 AM  

The Fedgov predicted Saddams burning oil wells would take years to put out. Private industry did it in months. The Fedgov predicted catastrophe from Y2K. Private industry averred the catastrophe. Time & time again private industry has shown efficiency & economy that beaurocrats imagine.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 05, 2016 10:38 AM  

Also, as Operation Wetback and Broken Windows policing shows; 5% real enforcement gets 95% results. Really deport a million harshly, ten million leave on their own. Hunt the remnant at your leisure.

Anonymous redsash April 05, 2016 10:40 AM  

#62, florescent tattoos.
#63, excellent.

And now you know my shame. I was a bureaucrat/ technocrat. I collected taxes, but only to hone my martial arts skills. Much like the Russian free style wrestler Aleksandr Karelin.

Blogger Jon M April 05, 2016 10:43 AM  

Okay, now how much will we spend on illegal immigration over the next 20 years if we *don't* deport?

The unspoken assumption in this analysis is that not deporting would cost zero dollars, and we all know that with our welfare state that just ain't true.

Blogger 744 Bosoms of Liberty April 05, 2016 11:03 AM  

Shimshon wrote:If a $10K bounty were offered to the illegals too, many more than 20% would voluntarily self-deport.

Offer double the bounty if the capturer is himself an illegal. Wreck whatever little trust they have in each other.

Blogger 744 Bosoms of Liberty April 05, 2016 11:04 AM  

MATT wrote:Hitting the pockets would hurt the illegal Irish, Polish ...

Remove Potato.

Blogger Sagramore Was Here April 05, 2016 11:05 AM  

Tonight, on a very special episode of Dog the Bounty Hunter...

Blogger 744 Bosoms of Liberty April 05, 2016 11:10 AM  

The outlaw approach is the obvious one from the point of view of a sane society. If you don't have permission to be in this legal jurisdiction, you are an invader. If you aren't wearing a uniform in a declared war, you have zero protection under any law.

It is always Invader Season, and there is no bag limit.

Blogger Sagramore Was Here April 05, 2016 11:15 AM  

The original concept of "outlaw" is in order, I think. It meant more than someone who was a criminal. It meant someone who was to be denied all legal protections, whose property and person were forfeit.

Listening to Weedman St. talk about bandits in the Just Watch Me scrum first clued me in to the meanings of words. The FLQ were Plumbers, but he wasn`t going to shoot spies on site.

Blogger newanubis April 05, 2016 11:16 AM  

Gimmigrant removal savings for the welfare state and literal saving of the United States. I wouldn't want that 10,000 in fiat though. :-)

Anonymous Uncle Maffoo April 05, 2016 11:24 AM  

"In order to do this in two years like Trump has proposed, the report estimates that there would need to be 90,582 federal immigration apprehension employees...32,445 federal attorneys to process undocumented immigrants, and a minimum of 17,296 chartered flights and 30,701 chartered bus trips..."

Wait, why can't these just be the new "shovel-ready" jobs the Left claims to love soooo much?

Why wouldn't the SEIU or LEO unions get behind something like this? The Teamsters, the airlines, the air employee unions??

And since the .Gov disproportionately employs more blacks that are otherwise unemployable, NOT repatriating illegals is just another way to Keep the Black Man Down.

Racists.

Anonymous Bz April 05, 2016 11:24 AM  

How is it that we could deport a couple of million in the space of a few months using 1950s technology, but now it'll supposedly take 20 years to deport something like only six times more of them?

19.5 years will be spent in court.

Anonymous redsash April 05, 2016 11:29 AM  

Your nation has been invaded by those with different languages, religions, alien cultures, opposite views of what America's future should look like. Your Congress should declare total war against these invaders, but traitors like open borders Paul Ryan need to be dealt with first and made examples of.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 05, 2016 11:30 AM  

@13.
The easiest and cheapest way could be to stop them from making a living: enforce the laws against hiring illegals, and refuse them any welfare benefits.

Yes, and use the asset forfeiture laws against those who've hired them - from Google and Microsoft down to the local lawn-care bozo. Wonder how Bill and Melinda would hold up in the big house next to Shitavious and his homies. Being even more devoted worshippers of the Golden Dindu than your average Evangelical pro-lifer, they could assume the position with a clear conscience and probably enjoy being ridden by those they worship from afar.

You'd have to dismantle the whole welfare racket as well and use asset forfeiture against SJW-converged "churches" as well. No more section 8, no more EBT cards, etc. The vast majority of the bloodsuckers would be headed back to their respective trash-heaps in short order. There are much fewer Bizniss owners and "charities" to direct enforcement resources against than the parasitical orcs.

Of course, assuming Trump is not another scam for a second, he'd probably have to become an emperor to actually accomplish something like this. People seem to forget how massively converged government and the entire "just-us" system has become. Barnhardt's assessment is correct. There is no rule of law in the Banana Empire. That's also why all chatter about Cruzman-Sachs' nativity story are irrelevant also. If Hussein got away with it, why can't Cruzman-Sachs?

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 11:56 AM  

deportation plan that would be good for American citizens bc then there would be more job opportunities for American citizens and maybe even higher wages,

Anonymous Brick Hardslab April 05, 2016 12:00 PM  

We could get them to self deport in a matter of months. Nobody seriously disputes that. We could force them to deport in a short time if we are serious, longer if we are going to play patty cake and hold their hands.

Or we can let our society continue into a long slide and decline. The elites of a Latin American country do fine. Better than fine because they enjoy the cheap labor and control they have over their 'clients'.

Twenty five hundred years later and we fall back into the Roman system of client and patron.

The only chance we had was electing someone like Trump. Now we slide or crash or maybe both and our grandchildren will live in enclaves or maybe be pushed out entirely.

The West is committing suicide and the left is jumping off the building while slicing their own throats.

Anonymous HerewardMW April 05, 2016 12:01 PM  

How much did the Bush clans wars cost? Stop doing stupid stuff and the money will be easy to find.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 05, 2016 12:06 PM  

This thing is scary:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Blogger kmbr April 05, 2016 12:16 PM  

@89 I can tell you right now that here in AZ when Jan Brewer was governor we had a proposition and I can't remember much about it or what the number was but I remember everyone was up in arms over it. There were several but I think this one in particular was the one where they were allowed when stopping for routine traffic stuff or crimes to ask for papers and send immediately to ICE.

I think it has since been turned over. I know I am not much help with specifics.

However, my wider point is, during that time--it was absolutely beautiful. The illegals were scant and few. They were all leaving for more friendly states.

Anonymous Red Comet April 05, 2016 12:23 PM  

I don't see why it would cost $500 billion to round up every brown face and Spanish name and toss them over the wall into Mex-shit-co. If they were actually a citizen then they can present their papers and get verified at border security control to get back.

Living in the third world for 5-10 years while they wait in line to get processed is the least they deserve for voting for their fellow travelers instead of the interests of real Americans.

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 12:41 PM  

and that's one thing I like about Trump, I feel like he has a deep sense of how important JOBS are, sometimes I feel like the other candidates don't get that

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2016 12:49 PM  

@6 Sherwood family: "The original concept of "outlaw" is in order . . ."

I have been proposing this for so long I really ought to just program it to an F Key.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 05, 2016 12:58 PM  

Cuckservatives double down
GOPe mouthpiece Priebus says "The party is choosing a nominee".

Yes, by all means burn your party down this year, get it over with.

Anonymous freddie_mac April 05, 2016 1:01 PM  

immigration detention beds

What about all of the mothballed military bases throughout the US? Those could easily be converted to temporary processing centers. If they were good enough for US military ...

Anonymous BGKB April 05, 2016 1:03 PM  

I wouldn't want that 10,000 in fiat though. :-) I would rather be paid in BMWs my self, goes better with Hugo Boss

we could deport a couple of million in the space of a few months using 1950s technology, but now it'll supposedly take 20 years to deport something like only six times more

Same reason we could go to the moon before affirmative action when the world had less computing power than a smartphone.

This thing is scary: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ That's nothing compared to the US unfunded liabilities, larger than the worlds GDP.

Anonymous horsewithnonick April 05, 2016 1:15 PM  

dienw wrote:@ 45 dc.sunsets

Duh. It would be trivially simply to use the IRS' database to identify, locate and round up those in the USA illegally.

That is a great plan...for shutting down the IRS: the SWJs running the IRS would rather erase the database than see an effective means of ridding this country of invaders.


Did somebody say "Xanatos"?

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 1:26 PM  

I think democrats use illegal immigration as a sort of democrat-voter-factory if you will, I think its a very treacherous tactic and I don't like it, its so typical of them

Anonymous Determinator April 05, 2016 1:26 PM  

This is definitely a "cheap at any price" situation. Assuming the cost is accurate, most Americans would gladly pay thrice that.

I like the idea of having a facial tattoo for easy recognition, but it can easily be tatted over. Having a combo of a tattoo on one side of the face and a brand on the other side would simplify things.

Also, I keep wondering why people are suggesting charter buses. They don't deserve a bus. Pack them like sardines into an un-air-conditioned trailer or shipping container. They can pray they're shipped back in March rather than August.

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 1:36 PM  

me personally I wouldn't have the heart to deport people, but if a president decided he was going to -deport illegal immigrants- I wouldn't object,.. I would focus on other things, I would hope that good people wouldn't be getting kicked out of the country though

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 05, 2016 1:51 PM  

I actually agree with White Knight Leo. Allowing bounty hunting as much fun as that would be for the hunters is asking for bloodshed and/or court intervention

It has to be done by the State with the possibility of using private contractors.

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2016 1:54 PM  

"I would hope that good people wouldn't be getting kicked out of the country though"

Really. Imagine if repressed peasants like Steinway, Schwinn and Einstein hadn't been able to sneak across the border in the middle of the night to finally blossom under American freedoms.

Blogger Jon M April 05, 2016 1:58 PM  

Whattaya mean "good people"? The devil lies in that little detail. Good people don't up stakes, invade another country, feed off the largess of the host nation, and then do their damnedest to turn their host nation into the hellhole nation they fled.

Anonymous Attica Stowe April 05, 2016 2:11 PM  

The legal fees to defend the bounty hunters and incarceration of the bounty hunters make this plan impossible

Blogger Stilicho April 05, 2016 2:18 PM  

Paul Krugman tells me that another $500 billion in debt doesn't matter if we owe it to ourselves. Besides, think of the stimulus to the economy. We definitely owe it to ourselves to try.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 05, 2016 2:18 PM  

What about all of the mothballed military bases throughout the US? Those could easily be converted to temporary processing centers.

FEMA already has dibs on those.

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 2:22 PM  

and just another observation tangentially-maybe-related,... on that Matthews interview, Matthews at one point said with a goofy grin on his face and a lisp (were you the guy in high school who gave people nicknames...) What does being in high school have to do with giving people nicknames, I think he is afraid of creative people coming up with nicknames that will destroy democrats, so is making like its a high school thing to come up with nicknames

Anonymous BGKB April 05, 2016 2:27 PM  

Also, I keep wondering why people are suggesting charter buses.

If a Deuce-and-a-half trucks are good enough for transporting US soldiers they are good enough for outlaws

Related Chicago cops respecting blacks by not doing street stops.
"- stops are down 90% and shootings are up 80%? But there is no such thing as an "ACLU effect"?
http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2016/04/stops-are-still-down.html

Investor's Business Daily - “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 2:38 PM  

debt doesn't matter sometimes when I analyze lets say "financial data" I come to that same conclusion that -debt doesnt matter- but my IQ is only in the 130s, I think I am wrong

Blogger weka April 05, 2016 2:41 PM  


19.5 years will be spent in court.

Deport the lawyers.

Look, this is simple. I'm a Kiwi. I have a right to move to OZ, but I can't claim Australian benefits or Meidicare or student loans. If I don't work, I starve ro fly back home.

If I commit a crime I'm put on a plane back to NZ the day I am released from jail.

NZ has a GDP of about 25K a person, Aussie is around 50K a person. Because they have Uranium and we have Greens.

If 20 odd million, with many SJW and trolls can do it, so can 300 million Septics.

Anonymous kfg April 05, 2016 2:52 PM  

"Also, I keep wondering why people are suggesting charter buses."

Hand the problem over to the Department of Education. Let them be useful for once.

Blogger ray April 05, 2016 3:54 PM  

Tangential --

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/ted-cruz-says-donald-trump-has-a-problem-with-173611614.html


Calls himself a 'Christian'. Here's a flash for Earth: King Jeshua has no place for backstabbing castrati. Especially when they use his name.

Outside the temple he goes, with the garbage and pigs and snuffling bitches.

Blogger Silent HunterSan April 05, 2016 4:02 PM  

500 billion would still be less than for example the german welfare system costs per year. So really on this scale it is not even that much money for such an important project.

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 4:16 PM  

but the thing that is interesting seems like some kind of force is really BACKING Cruz, and Trump also seems to have solid backing too, so it will fun to watch something when I really don't have a clear sense of the outcome at all, I guess the word is unpredictable

Blogger Ingot9455 April 05, 2016 4:24 PM  

Let cops impound the vehicles of any illegal immigrant they catch on a routine stop. Sell at auction, money goes to police via standard civil forfeiture, viola. Buy-in, cash cow, self-sustaining cycle.

Anonymous Brettmann April 05, 2016 4:31 PM  

One word: kickstarter. We'd have the needed funds raised in less than 48 hours.

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 4:38 PM  

and I could see myself feeling like really really stupid if it turns out that Cruz is good and he goes on to become a fantastic president "bringing back the Reagan coaltion" I really have to control myself better and be an adult,

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 05, 2016 4:56 PM  

Doom wrote:he only way to solve that next problem is to remove women from the workforce and encourage families.
At the rate work is being automated, that may not even be necessary.

Of course, immigration is only going to make this problem worse.

Blogger Rusty Fife April 05, 2016 5:13 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:I actually agree with White Knight Leo. Allowing bounty hunting as much fun as that would be for the hunters is asking for bloodshed and/or court intervention

It has to be done by the State with the possibility of using private contractors.


Can you say "lettre de marque"?

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 05, 2016 5:16 PM  

@110 Don't confuse Marxist "climate" policy with an actual climate policy; like bloodletters, their prescription is always the same regardless of the illness.  An actual climate policy would prohibit the shipment of goods like coal boilers or mining equipment to countries not meeting GHG reduction goals.  Since those countries can't make their own, their emissions would cease when their stuff broke down (which is in progress in S. Africa).  Preventing migration to first-world countries would keep the problems where they belong, no economic redistribution required.

France essentially decarbonized its electric system in less than 20 years.  The funny part is they weren't even trying to do that, they were just trying to switch from suddenly-expensive oil to cheap uranium.  Uranium is STILL cheap.  Is it any wonder that the Marxists have declared it anathema?  A cheap energy source they can't control wrecks their whole scheme.

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 5:16 PM  

if debt doesn't matter then why were there -debtor prisons- from what I hear

OpenID simplytimothy April 05, 2016 5:17 PM  

Ike implemented Operation Wetback and it was a resounding success.

The article pre-supposes a government payroll doing the job, well, bull-fucking-shit. "Bring your AR-15 and we will pay you $1000.00 per week tax free,three hots and a cot to Do The Job the WSJ Said Americans Will Not Do!"

It just needs a completely offensive, non-PC name. Operation Greasy Burrito perhaps.




Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 05, 2016 5:20 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:"Racist" so how can the use of that word be turned against the user?

"Hey man, its 2016. We've passed peak "Hitler" already, racists is so 2015 its meaningless.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 05, 2016 5:32 PM  

Stilicho wrote:Paul Krugman tells me that another $500 billion in debt doesn't matter if we owe it to ourselves.
By which he means, of course, that $500,000,000,000 more debt doesnt matter if all of us owe it to (((some of us)))
Which is obviously false. It matters to those who owe, all of us, and especially matters to (((those we owe it to)))

Anonymous BGKB April 05, 2016 6:24 PM  

It just needs a completely offensive, non-PC name. Operation Greasy Burrito perhaps.

Operation Genderless Pussy: The cat lady convergence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/04/05/dont-laugh-i-have-a-serious-reason-for-raising-my-cats-gender-neutral/

Blogger Were-Puppy April 05, 2016 7:26 PM  

@123 Craig
if debt doesn't matter then why were there -debtor prisons- from what I hear
---

They didn't used to have bankruptcy laws back then?

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2016 9:28 PM  

These are all fine ideas, lads. Unfortunately, you're all just a little too premature.

As an ex-left-libertarian, I understand how the left works. And they consciously say outrageous things to shift the Overton window. And it works.

At this point, Rodham has staked out such an extreme position on abortion that anything less than the due date would be a compromise. And I've staked out such an extreme position on illegal immigration that anything less than shipping them all to Somalia would be a compromise.

Be unreasonable. Don't pre-compromise. Make them make you.

It's a tactic.

Anonymous craig April 05, 2016 9:57 PM  

And if I stay here for awhile I'm gonna be positive. townhall is gonna be townhall just like snl is gonna be snl that's just the way it is

Anonymous craig April 05, 2016 10:03 PM  

And I don't want to just have this be an outlet for me being a hater and taking cheap shots at people and projecting all my insecurities and all that I'm not doin that anymore

Anonymous craig April 05, 2016 10:07 PM  

It's gonna be intelectual edification sincerely talking about how awesome Vox is and hopefully some humor.I believe Humor has serious health benefits

Anonymous Hoss April 05, 2016 10:15 PM  

I love when the lefties act like they give a shit about how much something costs. As if.

Blogger The Other Robot April 06, 2016 12:35 AM  

When you have boys advocating real change how can you win?

Anonymous Discard April 06, 2016 2:44 AM  

Declare war on Mexico. They've certainly given us a causus belli. That legitimizes all sorts of stuff, including treason trials for those who give aid and comfort to the enemy. A military draft could provide a couple million SJWs for the Army engineers. Who else to build a wall, with barbed wire, mines, and prepared fields of fire?
War is the answer, if diversity is the question.

Blogger Al Goldstein April 07, 2016 12:11 AM  

The first comment is spot on the money: "Any worry about government costs from the left, establishment, or media is just concern trolling at this point and should be ignored, not treated as honest debate or arguments."

Blogger Technomad April 08, 2016 3:49 AM  

One thing that would help would be finding some way to counteract the fact that most Boobus Americanus are bathed in treacly propaganda about Ellis Island, happy immigrants weeping with joy at the sight of the Statue of Liberty, and all the rest of it, for years in school. Kind of like how it's going to take removing To Kill A Mockingbird from people's consciousness to do something about the dindus. Too many people equate the wetback hordes with the immigrants of yore, and think that any white-vs.-black confrontation is TKAM, if not the Bridge at Selma.

And we'd also need to rewrite or get rid of the employment discrimination laws to allow employers to refuse to hire illegals. The screams of horror from the SJWs at "disparate impact" would be music to my ears.

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