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Monday, April 11, 2016

Civil war in Europe

A Danish professor's warning:
Writing in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, Professor Helmuth Nyborg, who is an expert in the connection between hormones and intelligence, discussed his previous research on how, “The effect of Europeans having few children and immigrants with low IQ” would lead to “Westerners (being) a minority in Europe, and that the average IQ drops so much that prosperity, democracy and civilization is threatened”.

Nyborg has previously asserted that low IQ migrants arriving from non-western countries leads to a decline in the average intelligence of western societies and therefore a drop in living standards and rising crime rates.

“In 2016, the current immigration policy gives us three alternatives – submission, repatriation or civil war. Unless Europe starts to lead a responsible family, immigration and integration policy, stated by the theory of evolution, I think civil war is most likely,” writes Nyborg.

Nyborg goes on to caution that simply referring to “right-wing extremism” will not make the chronic problems caused by overpopulation and failed multicultural policies disappear, warning that ethnic Europeans will be a minority in their own countries by 2050.

Ethnically homogeneous, civilized and democratic societies in Europe will be a thing of the past unless there is an “honorable repatriation” of migrants, warns Nyborg.
I concur. And I'll go much further. I think civil war in the USA is even more likely. The war in Europe isn't going to be much of a contest; Reconquista 2.0 will take 1/100th the time that its predecessor did. But the USA is considerably more divided, and considerably more muddled, than even the most heavily invaded European nation.

This shouldn't surprise anyone. As Martin van Creveld demonstrated in "Migration and War", mass immigration is almost invariably connected to war in one way or another.

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79 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 11, 2016 8:05 AM  

"stated by the theory of evolution" OMG!

Anonymous Dave April 11, 2016 8:20 AM  

wtf theory of evolution

Blogger SciVo April 11, 2016 8:27 AM  

Diversity + Proximity = War: The Reference List

Probably most people here already have it bookmarked, but just in case anyone didn't...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 11, 2016 8:29 AM  

Cruz voters and the SJW fundamentalist equalitarians will now be "man became pig, pig became man."

Blogger SciVo April 11, 2016 8:31 AM  

Also, best explanation of why you can't let people from low-trust cultures into high-trust societies, because it quite simply destroys the social capital built up over centuries.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 11, 2016 8:39 AM  

"... Europeans will be a minority in their own countries by 2050."

Much, much sooner than that.

Blogger SciVo April 11, 2016 8:41 AM  

Last link, there are alien cultures and alien cultures, and while our peeps from south of the border are not such great neighbors, at least they aren't invading with a sinister purpose. They mostly just try to keep their heads down and make money to send home.

I'd rather twenty million Hispanics than one million Muslims. Islam is so horrible that it hurts Muslims too. The poor dears deserve to have at least one country in the world where they can safely recant without fear of being murdered. Burn the korans, raze the mosques, hang the imams and send the rest home.

Blogger Sillon Bono April 11, 2016 8:58 AM  

Civil war will be, too many useful idiots, too many people got so many guts invested in their moral superiority they can not back-track, and if they do will do nothing but look to the side.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/10/thought-europes-muslims-gradually-blend-britains-diverse-landscape-known-better/

Our lovely elites will be too shitty scared by the time the shit hits the fan.

Along with the Orcs democracy will be swept off Europe, and our wonderful elites with them due to their cowardice.

Anyone here have any hope our rulers will have the guts to deal with a situation like the siege of Beslan?

Clock is ticking...

Anonymous R. Wilbur April 11, 2016 9:00 AM  

I'm curious what exactly a "civil war" would look like. Do you picture an all-out 4th generation neighbor vs neighbor scenario? Regions vs. Regions? Anarcho-tyranny? Or something that plays out almost exactly along the lines of Lind's fiction?

Blogger VD April 11, 2016 9:00 AM  

I'd rather twenty million Hispanics than one million Muslims.

You've gotten more than 2x that of both.

Anonymous Rollory April 11, 2016 9:01 AM  

Vox - You keep speaking very optimistically of Europe's ability to eject the invaders. Have you ever gone into detail about the specifics of why you have this optimism (or if not, could you)? The most detailed piece I've seen from you on this was your response to Matt Bracken last fall, but from my (possibly faulty) memory that was more specific to his predictions of home invasions and a loss of sovereignty this winter (which predictions were obviously not borne out).

I don't question that it can be done, with appropriate application of willpower; I am a lot less sanguine about the ease of doing it and thus the availability of that willpower, especially with respect to England as a whole and specific cities in other countries that have been essentially ceded.

Blogger Dirtnapninja April 11, 2016 9:02 AM  

The wars coming in Europe will resemble the Lebanese civil war, but on a much vaster scale.

Anonymous Big Bill April 11, 2016 9:04 AM  

The customary rules of war permit the relocation of populations, (also known as "repatriation" and "ethnic cleansing") when the civilian population either supports or does not do enough to prevent terrorists/freedom fighters/partisans.

The British used civilian concentration camps during the Boer War. The Allies cleansed Europe of Volksdeutsch after WWII.

I do hope gentle encouragement and honorable repatriation will work.

Blogger Salt April 11, 2016 9:05 AM  

ethnic Europeans will be a minority in their own countries by 2050

Nope. Reconquesta 2.0 will be in full swing or even over by then. With statements like, "This is our country now. Get out!" and the constant recurring muslim induced headlines, it's not going to take long for anti-muslim violence to become the new normal.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 11, 2016 9:06 AM  

The problem in the USA has been stated here often; the "tribes" of whites in the USA are disparate enough to raise the threshold for cohesion quite high. It is very much like expecting the Crow, the Soux, the Fox, the Cheyenne, the Navajo, etc., etc. to all work together to expel the Spanish, the English and the French. This is all the worse when one or two of those "tribes" of whites are fifth columnists fragging their side full-time.

Perhaps the American Indian example is imperfect, but it gets the point across. To the people waging war on whites (and fair-skinned Asians), we all look just as interchangeable as the various Indian tribes looked to most European colonists.

It is the high bar for cohesion that makes Vox's forecast so unfortunately real.

Anonymous Meh April 11, 2016 9:06 AM  

The war in Europe isn't going to be much of a contest; Reconquista 2.0 will take 1/100th the time that its predecessor did.

The Europeans are gelded, pacifistic, demotivated, deChristianized, and thoroughly debellicized. They are thoroughly infiltrated with white Leftist "enemies within" who will resist any effort at Reconquista, and indeed, will employ the full power of the state (which they control) AGAINST any such effort. Finally, the European "average citizens" are not merely psychologically disarmed, they are physically disarmed.

So, good luck with that quick Reconquista...

Blogger dc.sunsets April 11, 2016 9:08 AM  

I still strongly suggest that we don't know what Civil War Two (or the resumption of the English Civil War, American version) will look like until after the current monetary/financial/economic mania is solidly over.

The term "phase change" cannot be overused in this context.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 11, 2016 9:09 AM  

SciVo, I don't practice Santoria, I ain't got no crystal ball, but if I had 2 million Muslims, I'd still be building up that wall.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 11, 2016 9:13 AM  

European demographics are much less disastrous than those of the US, where native whites are already a minority. Europe's other advantage is that they are being invaded when their economies are weak, debt is high and the state has already reached unsustainable levels. They also have parliamentary systems with anti-immigrant parties already in place. They are culturally as sick as can be but they still have a chance, unlike the US.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 11, 2016 9:14 AM  

It's vitally important to recognize, and not to forget, just who is responsible for this onslaught of non-whites into western society. They are a most powerful foe. I mean, think about it: They are so powerful that they were even able to brainwash the goyim into believing that Sarah Jessica Parker is a beauty.

Anonymous Tiny Duck April 11, 2016 9:17 AM  

If there was a Civil War in Europe the "Europeans" would get their asses handed to them.

Muslim and African Men, are just that, MEN.

Civil War is not likely seeing as how white girls have a fascination and thirst for the real masculinity and child giving that only Men of Color possess.

Blogger tz April 11, 2016 9:18 AM  

Reconquista? For the children they didn't have?
The economics will play a big role.
Japan has the problem of too many elderly now - when do you think they will start euthanAsia?

Blogger SciVo April 11, 2016 9:24 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I still strongly suggest that we don't know what Civil War Two (or the resumption of the English Civil War, American version) will look like until after the current monetary/financial/economic mania is solidly over.

The term "phase change" cannot be overused in this context.


Agreed. It's been fun talking it out, but my final conclusion is that the system has too much dynamic complexity for a solid prediction. Heck, even though cryptocurrencies put an inflationary tool in every man's hands, I'm still not confident that we won't see a deflationary spiral from debt contraction, because there's just so much of it.

Blogger Matamoros April 11, 2016 9:36 AM  

This is exactly the problem with the invasion of Mexican and Central American indios and mestizos into the U.S.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 11, 2016 9:37 AM  

I'm still not confident that we won't see a deflationary spiral from debt contraction, because there's just so much of it.

Debt is (perceived) wealth. Wealth makes people spend. Spending drives up prices. Prices (for assets) rise at the margin, making everyone with assets feel wealthier, so they're even more willing to spend (and borrow to do so), creating more debt, which is....wealth. Rinse and repeat for most of the adult lifetime of everyone living.

If you take a step back and think about how astronomically large is this feedback loop, you begin to realize that you'd have to leave the planet to step back far enough to see the size of the Hindenburg this debt-gassed asset mania has attained. There is no corner of life not warped into urecognizability by it.

Deflation is not an option, it is the inevitable.

Blogger Escoffier April 11, 2016 9:38 AM  

SciVo wrote:Last link, there are alien cultures and alien cultures, and while our peeps from south of the border are not such great neighbors, at least they aren't invading with a sinister purpose. They mostly just try to keep their heads down and make money to send home.

I'd rather twenty million Hispanics than one million Muslims.


This is dangerous nonsense. Are Mexicans as bad as Muslims? No. But that doesn't make light cigarettes healthy either. Don't know how many illegal aliens you've worked with but I ran kitchens in big cities and everything you said is false. They hate America, Americans, are under the impression that they are in a war with us and are winning that war and expect to impose their language by force and I quote "rape the White women."

The most dangerous thing about Mexicans in America is how easily they fool the gullible into thinking they are cuddly.

Blogger Stephen April 11, 2016 9:38 AM  

"Europeans will be a minority in their own countries by 2050."
Much more important than total numbers is the military aged male demographic specifically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF9V8POmuxg

QUOTE Meh:"The Europeans are gelded, pacifistic, demotivated, deChristianized, and thoroughly debellicized. They are thoroughly infiltrated with white Leftist "enemies within" who will resist any effort at Reconquista, and indeed, will employ the full power of the state (which they control) AGAINST any such effort. Finally, the European "average citizens" are not merely psychologically disarmed, they are physically disarmed. "

Much like the Germans in the 1920's. There will be blood.

Blogger Lovekraft April 11, 2016 9:43 AM  

Saudi Arabia, foreseeing the depletion of their rotting organic matter reserves, recently set up a two trillion dollar fund for this contingency.

The current Islamic expansion ties into this. They are establishing footholds for when the Middle East turns into a giant mushroom cloud. Invasion, nothing less..

The question is whether the islamists are smart enough to keep these footholds which is highly unlikely without full-scale war because they have invited it. Invited it due to mocking and rejecting these hosts countries.

Their future is likely going to be either domination in these various locations, or a reduction to Boko Haram-type piracy.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 11, 2016 9:53 AM  

Maybe I'm too sanguine, but I figure that when this thing turns Full Orc the smarter faction will run though OODA loops five times faster than the stupid faction and the latter's strength in numbers and innate viciousness will be irrelevant.

In a world now brim-full of technology, only one group has both the above-threshold numbers of high intelligence and the independent-minded culture to beat high-tech plowshares into swords. As soon as high intelligence whites stop giving the fruits of their genius to their adversaries, the entire game changes.

Blogger Escoffier April 11, 2016 10:00 AM  

Zoë: You sanguine about the kinda reception we're apt to receive on an Alliance ship, Captain?

Mal: Absolutely. What's "sanguine" mean?

Zoë: Sanguine. Hopeful. Plus, point of interest, it also means "bloody".

Mal: Well, that pretty much covers all the options, don't it?

Blogger YIH April 11, 2016 10:19 AM  

They hate America, Americans, are under the impression that they are in a war with us and are winning that war
Example 1
Example 2
And there are plenty more...

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum April 11, 2016 10:26 AM  

The war in Europe isn't going to be much of a contest; Reconquista 2.0 will take 1/100th the time that its predecessor did.

The first Reconquista took 770 years, from the islamic conquest in the 710s to 1492. So the second one should only take 7.7 years? (8 years if we round up.) Why do you say that? I don't think you understand islam.

I think it'll take at least 100 years myself. And that's assuming that we start tomorrow, and go full balls-to-the-wall: We tear ISIS to shreds, taking no prisons and disregarding any civilian casualties in the process, encouraging the mainstream media to broadcast the dead and wounded round-the-clock and across the globe. Next we turn mecca and medina into smoldering radioactive ruins. Then we start up a DNA database of jihadis we kill, and then we go country to country (Europe included), city to city, house to house, family to family, muslim to muslim, and those who are immediate blood relatives (son, daughter, brother, sister, father, mother) of a dead jihadi in the database gets immediately executed, and those who aren't are sent to reeducation camps run by ex-muslims where they learn about muhammed and the cult he founded.

Maybe after a century of that, we might start to see some progress.

It won't be a "civil war" in Europe. (jihad is anything but civil) It will be a religious and ethnic war. The muslims in Europe consider it theirs (islam says that the globe must submit to allah). They're not going to give up their gains without a fight. THEY think THEY are reconquering Spain/Al-Andalus. What was once under islamic rule, must remain under islamic rule, and if lost, must be regained no matter the cost or the time.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 April 11, 2016 10:31 AM  

"...an expert in the connection between hormones and intelligence..."
Really?
FULL STOP
I'd rather read a Lesbian Intersectionality Dance Theory college BA thesis.
CaptDMO

Anonymous ZhukovG April 11, 2016 10:36 AM  

The apparent weakness of the European nations is as superficial as is the strength of the United States.

Blogger Escoffier April 11, 2016 10:39 AM  

Credo in Unum Deum wrote:The war in Europe isn't going to be much of a contest; Reconquista 2.0 will take 1/100th the time that its predecessor did.

The first Reconquista took 770 years, from the islamic conquest in the 710s to 1492. So the second one should only take 7.7 years? (8 years if we round up.) Why do you say that? I don't think you understand islam.

I think it'll take at least 100 years myself. And that's assuming that we start tomorrow, and go full balls-to-the-wall: We tear ISIS to shreds, taking no prisons and disregarding any civilian casualties in the process, encouraging the mainstream media to broadcast the dead and wounded round-the-clock and across the globe. Next we turn mecca and medina into smoldering radioactive ruins. Then we start up a DNA database of jihadis we kill, and then we go country to country (Europe included), city to city, house to house, family to family, muslim to muslim, and those who are immediate blood relatives (son, daughter, brother, sister, father, mother) of a dead jihadi in the database gets immediately executed, and those who aren't are sent to reeducation camps run by ex-muslims where they learn about muhammed and the cult he founded.

Maybe after a century of that, we might start to see some progress.

It won't be a "civil war" in Europe. (jihad is anything but civil) It will be a religious and ethnic war. The muslims in Europe consider it theirs (islam says that the globe must submit to allah). They're not going to give up their gains without a fight. THEY think THEY are reconquering Spain/Al-Andalus. What was once under islamic rule, must remain under islamic rule, and if lost, must be regained no matter the cost or the time.


No, it's when we stop caring about collateral damage and adopt the Derb's wise maxim: 'rubble don't make trouble.'

This isn't the days of swords and horses. The minute we start actually fighting this as a war and utilizing our superior firepower it ends pretty quickly.

Blogger kurt9 April 11, 2016 10:39 AM  

I think civil war in the USA is even more likely.

If so, the U.S. will likely break apart into several independent countries. This is likely before 2050. Both Heinlein and Hogan have written novels featuring such a balkanized North America.

Blogger "Al Fin" has numerous postings about Russia breaking apart sometime in the next 15 years. China is not all that stable either.

All of this fuels the theory of mine and various Thunderbird professors from when I was there in 1990 of the future "1000 state sovereignty" model world.

It appears "Snow crash" is on its way.

OpenID paworldandtimes April 11, 2016 10:40 AM  

I think it'll take at least 100 years myself. And that's assuming that we start tomorrow, and go full balls-to-the-wall

You're overestimating Muslims' rootedness in Europe. They rely on current Euro governments' protection and welfare to even exist.

One WWIII/reconquista scenario I've not seen mention and I hope doesn't come to pass, is Western European governments trying to cleanse their lands by trying to deport their mud to Eastern Europe, rather than back to their native lands.

PA

Anonymous J. J. April 11, 2016 11:01 AM  

I'm curious what exactly a "civil war" would look like. Do you picture an all-out 4th generation neighbor vs neighbor scenario? Regions vs. Regions? Anarcho-tyranny? Or something that plays out almost exactly along the lines of Lind's fiction?

I had the same question. I can see a bag of coffee and a jar of water vying for space on the shelf, but once you've brewed it, how do you separate the coffee and water back out? North vs. South was easier in this regard.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner April 11, 2016 11:11 AM  

I'm curious what exactly a "civil war" would look like.

Die verse cities with the power cut off and bridges blown by day 2. Cannibalism in die verse cities by day 14.

OT: David the Good moved to Ft Lauderdale. A city with 3-5 gay bathhouses, and gays have been moving there from South Beach since Versace was killed because of the non Asian minority attacks. I don't think he knows what he is getting himself into. If a plant he sells to someone dies from having booze+drugs vomited on it they will take it back for a refund, he better be ready to explain why all male mulberry bushes are a bad idea.

You keep speaking very optimistically of Europe's ability to eject the invaders. Have you ever gone into detail about the specifics of why

The Golden Dawn went through hospitals tossing out illegal alien patients because there where no beds available for citizens, no one opposed them. I am not living in a gayborhood because it wont be a good place to be when the pendulum swings back.

The most dangerous thing about Mexicans in America is how easily they fool the gullible into thinking they are cuddly.

I attended the showing of a ""(((documentery)))" about an illegal alien killed in a small town called Shenandoah, after the movie the (((maker))) had a Q&A session. I asked why she seemed to blame football(actually white people), while I understand not a week goes by that doesn't have news of an NFL player committing felonies, the most important thing about this event was reported by Lou Dobbs. Why did you not mention the illegal alien who raped a 13yo white girl in town shortly before it happened? She said she didn't see how they where related, so I asked "If I had MS-13 gangbanger facial tattoos and the only other people you saw with MS-13 gangbanger tattoos gang banged you, would that prejudice you against me?" Full cognitive dissonance.

I think it'll take at least 100 years myself. And that's assuming that we start tomorrow

You do know we will be cutting off the food stamps in year 1, moslems cant survive in the 1st world without handouts that they consider jizya

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 11, 2016 11:14 AM  

"Civil War is not likely seeing as how white girls have a fascination and thirst for the real masculinity and child giving that only Men of Color possess."

And then pithecoid Tiny Duck went on to say, "Move ovuh, crackuh. Let yo woman see what a real man like."

Vulgar, stupid, violent and irredeemiably consigned to the status of servants of the other races of the world.

Blogger Scott6584 April 11, 2016 11:30 AM  

Honestly, I don't think the Left could muster the will to fight a Civil War. They reflexively surrender. All it would take is the courage to secede, and endure the hardships of financial and political reorganization. The Left doesn't have the will to take up arms to keep the USA together.

In fact, an large percentage of them would be happy to see many "red" states depart.

On a corporate level, it would be interesting to see how many companies would choose to remain in the USA, and how many would choose to go with those who secede - at least from a corporate profits standpoint. Some are obvious how their top executives lean, but the goal of a corporation is to make money, and there would be a real adjustment to accomodate a new country(ies) that don't toe the liberal/left line.

There would certainly be some minor internal skirmishes within some states, but I don't believe you'd see the wide-spread blood-letting many think would come.

Limiting religious freedom to those who practice Christianity would be a good start. Allowing the free reign of other ideologies has been a fundamental flaw in our founding principles. The original draft of the first amendment did limit religious freedom to Christians, which would have defined Christianity as a national religion, but allowed variations of it to flourish without impediment. Also, defining Chrisitanity as the official religion of the state would stop the nonsense about taking crosses out of state seals, and removing the ten commandments, and nativity scenes from public display on government property. Christians need not be shy about demanding a "safe space" to practice their religion in a public way. And Islam should be specifically banned, since it is diametrically opposed to Christianity, and Western-style freedom overall.

Anonymous trollFollicle April 11, 2016 11:35 AM  

@25 I second this, from first hand experience. 'Optimistic' people are guilty of sample bias. Everyone is pleasant with you when they want something from you, especially money. The polite help at Potemkin resorts in Cancun is not representative.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 11, 2016 11:41 AM  

On a corporate level, it would be interesting to see how many companies would choose to remain in the USA

While I think you're assuming a whole lot more continuity than seems merited, there's a question of competitiveness between firms that stick with headcounts larded with Affirmative Action hires and other no-longer-relevant Virtue Signals and firms that are dedicated to nothing but market-proven success.

Modern firms are stuffed with dead wood only because their competitors are similarly stuffed, while the regulatory bureaucracy slashes the Achilles tendons of any upstarts.

Business in America is all now like the railroads were in the late 19th century.

Blogger John Williams April 11, 2016 12:13 PM  

Maybe I'm too sanguine, but I figure that when this thing turns Full Orc the smarter faction will run though OODA loops five times faster than the stupid faction...
The OODA Loop is a logical process. If one is driven by emotions or easily triggered, they'll never complete the first iteration.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 11, 2016 12:39 PM  

@43 Cool. Get 'em all lathered up and stand on the other side of a deep chasm, "disrespecting" them as visibly as possible.

Blogger kurt9 April 11, 2016 12:39 PM  

Limiting religious freedom to those who practice Christianity would be a good start. Allowing the free reign of other ideologies has been a fundamental flaw in our founding principles.

When you say that religious freedom should be limited to Christianity, does this mean that Christianity should be the only religion allowed in the U.S.? Or are you suggesting membership in this religion should be a requirement for legal residence in the U.S.?



Blogger Sillon Bono April 11, 2016 12:50 PM  

@9

"""I'm curious what exactly a "civil war" would look like."""

Nasty Balkans style, things will get so bad quickly, that many Orcs will flee back to their lands if they do not manage to kill the natives first.

"""Do you picture an all-out 4th generation neighbour vs neighbour scenario? Regions vs. Regions? Anarcho-tyranny? Or something that plays out almost exactly along the lines of Lind's fiction?"""

I picture a mess as ultimately it will become hard to trust orcs (no mind-reading machine) the natives will shoot first, ask question later.

While predicting "the future" is not easy predicting specifics is even harder.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I do not have any hope in anybody other than expect the worse.

The worse from our rulers, the worse from the orcs and the worse from us, once we're unleashed there is no going back, and oh boy! do we have records in Europe when it comes to the worst.

I expect tyranny as we're moving towards it already.

Blogger Eric Guillaume Dilasser-McDowell April 11, 2016 1:04 PM  

@31 I've wanted to see Mecca nuked with 50 megatons since I was 9, but the problem with doing that is that Pakistan possesses nukes of their own, not great in number but sufficient to destroy, say, Jerusalem, New York, Washington, Boston, Paris, London, Rome, Madrid, Berlin, Vienna, all of Rhine-Westphalia, and a good many other places we hold dear or sacred. We should wait until a failsafe missile shield is active before we do such a thing, I'd even consider giving it to the Chinese for free as long as they didn't intervene.

The rest of what you propose would take a maximum of 10 years, not 100. Once the balls are to the wall and the blood of the West runs hot with zeal, the weapons we've wrought over the years won't take very long at all to exterminate the shitskins currently in Europe, 6 few months at most considering non-stop civilian pogroms will be taking place, and I really don't think it would take even the dumbest goatfucker out there much time to figure out that continuing to practice Islam would be a bad move when the Tenth Crusade has come to a close.

It will have to get worse in Europe before it gets any better. But there isn't much longer to wait, we WILL see the end of Islam in our lifetimes.

Anonymous CC April 11, 2016 1:39 PM  

I also wonder how it's going to pan out regarding the Reconquista. Islam is like cancer, sometimes it's more benign, at others malignant. It comes down to the numbers of muslims in a society and the virulence of the leaders. It will all depend on if and when enough people in Europe and the US wake up. I sincerely hope Europeans will band together to chase out the invaders like they did in the past, and I think they will. Some of the other advantages we have is that muslims generally congregate in their own dumps making it easier to uproot them. This happened in Budapest over 100 years ago, the army rolled in and kicked the tumour out. Another plus is their low trust culture makes them mostly useless at modern warfare, this is why Israel could always hand her much bigger neighbours their asses. Good article about that here:

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

I hope Vox is right in his optimism though. I can't really share it right now, too many people are still fast asleep.

Blogger Scott6584 April 11, 2016 1:51 PM  

kurt9 wrote:Limiting religious freedom to those who practice Christianity would be a good start. Allowing the free reign of other ideologies has been a fundamental flaw in our founding principles.

When you say that religious freedom should be limited to Christianity, does this mean that Christianity should be the only religion allowed in the U.S.? Or are you suggesting membership in this religion should be a requirement for legal residence in the U.S.?



I'm not talking about the USA. I'm talking about whatever new entity arises after the dissolution of the USA.

Blogger Scott6584 April 11, 2016 1:55 PM  

And being a Christian would not be required. Freedom of expressions of Christian religion would be allowed. Public expressions of other religions would not be, but would be allowed privately. But no law restricting expressions of Christianity in schools, public buildings, or practices in government would be allowed.

You don't have to be a Christian, but would not be allowed to use religious freedom laws to proscribe public expression of Christianity.

Blogger SteelPalm April 11, 2016 1:57 PM  

Yeah, I must agree with @11. I wish I could share Vox's optimism about the European continent, but with the exceptions of particular nations that have closed their borders and haven't been infected with leftism, matters appear grim.

Many Europeans have simply lost the survival instinct, as best exemplified by that Norwegian activist who was anally raped by a Somalian member of the Death Cult, only to feel sad and guilty when his rapist was exiled back to his hellhole after being in jail.

Blogger Scott6584 April 11, 2016 1:58 PM  

Finally, preferential treatment of avowed Christians in immigration policy would be the law of the land. Maintaining a majority Christian population would be an explicit purpose of government.

Blogger clk April 11, 2016 2:04 PM  

"Honestly, I don't think the Left could muster the will to fight a Civil War. They reflexively surrender. All it would take is the courage to secede, and endure the hardships of financial and political reorganization. The Left doesn't have the will to take up arms to keep the USA together."

Its always dangerous to believe ones own rhetoric.. I think we will find the right is not as tough as you think and the left not as weak as you assume .. but overall both the right and the left will be capable of the required actions in the event of revolution depending on the circumstances and what you want done.. neither side will participate in killing of children, innocents etc so if that is what we define as tough then neither side is really tough .. society would have to degrade significantly before you get to that point.

The US has always been much further away than most of Europe in regards to war and revolution .. especially now (ignoring that little war of southern aggression). We don't have regions of high concentrations of one type (race, religion, politics .. pick the category) while in Europe there are groups that have essentially stayed together for 1000's of years and of which the current EU pacifistic trend is only a passing curiosity ... There are plenty of Yankee fans in Texas and lots of Dallas Cowboy fans in Mass... Some of my best friends come from the south/west/north .. sure there are pockets.. but generally the differences between different areas of the country are at historically low levels. ...

The far/alternate right doesn't scare me. A Christian Taliban is not possible for any length of time because the teachings of Christ run deep in those on the alt right ... .. "Hi .. we are the Christian Taliban.. we demand that you follow the 10 commandments and love your neighbor and lover your God" .. or maybe its the "Libertarian Taliban" .."Hi we demand that you mind your own business and minimize the size of government" .. they tend to be self limiting situations.

Blogger Scott6584 April 11, 2016 2:15 PM  

The key issue is not allowing a minority religious "veto". A single Jewish, Atheist, or Muslim family should not be able to successfully sue to limit public religious expressions of the Christian majority.

Blogger Scott6584 April 11, 2016 2:16 PM  

Of course the right is not strong. Otherwise, secession would already have occurred.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner April 11, 2016 2:32 PM  

I think we will find the right is not as tough as you think and the left not as weak as you assume

The most leftists could hope for is the 2 black female cops looting a wallmart in uniform, on TV, 2 days post Katrina.

neither side will participate in killing of children, innocents etc so if that is what we define as tough then neither side is really tough

Leftists only do charity with other peoples money. Perhaps this situation from Sandy will explain how children will die, nits make lice. Groidet let her 2 kids get washed away in water, bangs on door of white guy who stayed home to protect it from looters while his family was safely away. White guy thinks its an ugly back guy banging on door and doesn't let it in. Groidet expected him to go out swimming to save the niglets while she ate his food, and got sympathy from leftist news despite Groidet admitting on video to tossing a flowerpot to try gain entry by breaking whitey's window.
Liberal View https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121105/arrochar/mom-whose-kids-were-swept-away-by-sandy-confronted-neighbor-next-day
Reality view http://thetalkofbwe.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-unreported-glenda-moore-story.html
"Two young children had to die, for no reason, because Glenda had to go driving around in the evacuated area instead of just staying in her house which was on high ground and in no danger of being flooded."

The key issue is not allowing a minority religious "veto". A single Jewish, Atheist, or Muslim family

As long as one man in a wig is denied access to the little girls room or one Christian baker(but not moslem) refuses to bake gay cakes, the leftist fight against the 1% can wait.

I've wanted to see Mecca nuked with 50 megatons since I was 9, but the problem with doing that is that Pakistan possesses nukes of their

Nukes have to be maintained, as do rockets. Do you really think that if affirmative action hampered NASA cant make it to the space station without Russia's help, that Pakistan has a delivery system with an effective range farther than a mule cart?

I really don't think it would take even the dumbest goatfucker out there much time to figure out that continuing to practice Islam would be

When did Tommy Hass stop posting?

Anonymous Discard April 11, 2016 2:36 PM  

In China during the 1950s there was a program called "Let a Thousand Flowers Bloom". The idea was that the Revolution might have been a little too harsh, and that criticism was needed to correct the excesses. So, the thinking sorts of people gave their ideas, and the Party now had a new list of troublemakers to jail.

So it is today. Every dirtball has been encouraged to revile civilization, exalt scumbaggery, and attack decent, normal people. They've done so, and boast about it. They've created their own, very public, dossiers for humans to use against them. Should war start, it's as if our enemies are all wearing red coats in the forest while we wear brown or green. The SJWs are fish in a barrel.

And their pets and allies, the Orcs, cannot change their uniforms. Should things go bad in earnest, it would be a short fight. We won't need God to sort them out.

Anonymous BGKB April 11, 2016 2:38 PM  

neither side will participate in killing of children, innocents etc so if that is what we define as tough then neither side is really tough

Even better example of leftists when the going gets tough. http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2012/11/left-behind.html

"People are defecating in my building, in the hallways." Another black woman then proceeds to demand that the mayor should have been there, because "we are a community just like everywhere else."

Black people defecating in the hallway? Blame the white mayor. All that is required is the good cops get out of the way, and the leftist enforcement goes looting Wallmarts.

Anonymous Discard April 11, 2016 2:47 PM  

25. Escoffier: I'm sure you know not to be around drunk Mexicans. That's when their true feelings come out.

And the 4th of July seems to piss some of them off.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 11, 2016 3:43 PM  

The wars coming in Europe will resemble the Lebanese civil war, but on a much vaster scale.

@12 Dirtnapninja
One thing that might prevent Europe being as much of a giant Syria is state boundaries. It will be "cleaner", between nationalists and Muslims for the most part. Leftist Europeans won't be much of a factor if any, since they're cowardly and low-T and their ideas will by then be discredited among most Europeans, although I do expect some to fight alongside the Muslims.

The problem in the USA has been stated here often; the "tribes" of whites in the USA are disparate enough to raise the threshold for cohesion quite high. It is very much like expecting the Crow, the Soux, the Fox, the Cheyenne, the Navajo, etc., etc. to all work together to expel the Spanish, the English and the French.

@15 dc.sunsets
I do agree that any second U.S. civil war will most likely involve two or more different factions of white Americans. It might even perhaps be the successors of the Trump and Cruz factions in the current election. (But not the Hillary, Kasich, or Sanders factions, who will be pushed around by everyone else.)

Hispanics will also be split, although unlike the whites the Hispanic factions will be in different parts of the country and therefore unlikely to fight each other. Except maybe in NYC or Miami. Blacks will be ideologically homogeneous and unified -- purely Marxist -- but in places they dominate, they'll start minor civil wars for trivial reasons.

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 11, 2016 3:53 PM  

Eric Guillaume Dilasser-McDowell wrote:I really don't think it would take even the dumbest goatfucker out there much time to figure out that continuing to practice Islam would be a bad move when the Tenth Crusade has come to a close.
I bet it's going to be even quicker and uglier than that.  If you're obviously non-European, you are unlikely to have other choices than dead or fled.

CC wrote:muslims generally congregate in their own dumps making it easier to uproot them.
Scorched-earth tactics will work just fine if you don't mind sacrificing the real estate.  It won't be difficult to shut off water, gas and electricity to all the "no-go zones" and then start firebombing.  With no way to fight the fires, the whole area will burn to the ground.  Shoot everyone who comes out and bulldoze the ruins so they can't be re-occupied by guerrillas.

Right now, Tower Hamlets in London is a colony.  In a serious campaign, it would be a death trap.

Blogger James Dixon April 11, 2016 3:57 PM  

> I think we will find the right is not as tough as you think and the left not as weak as you assume...

The right is even tougher than we think. But the left isn't weak. Both sides will fight.

> ...neither side will participate in killing of children, innocents etc so if that is what we define as tough then neither side is really tough .. society would have to degrade significantly before you get to that point.

Tell that to folks who know what Sherman did. Southerners have long memories. There won't be any innocent civilians this time around.

The only hope of avoiding a horrific death toll is for the separation to be peaceful.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 11, 2016 4:22 PM  

Oh, Vox, I'll forgive your ignorance because you haven't been here for a long time. I suppose if you watch the media or read the fishwrap it seems the government has a plan. There is no plan. Rumors fly that oligarchs have bought land in New Zealand, and underground bunkers are the new second home.
Everything is happening as I have forseen. The enemy is so consistent its scary. Its Weimar 2.0. SWEET.

Anonymous Discard April 11, 2016 4:24 PM  

61. Mr Rational: The Los Angeles Metropolitan Area, the most diverse place on Earth I'm told, is essentially an island. To the south, 100 miles away, is Mexico. To the immediate west is the ocean. To the east is a thousand miles of desert. To the north are several mountain chains, with only three passes, two of which lead to the desert. They import most of their water and almost all of their food. There are 12 million people there, dependent on distant resources for daily survival, and in an emergency, they can't leave because there are not enough roads and not enough gas. It would become a slaughter pen were the aqueducts, railroads, and interstates to be cut.

Anonymous gxg April 11, 2016 4:53 PM  

64. Discard: (Los Angeles) would become a slaughter pen were the aqueducts, railroads, and interstates to be cut.

True. This article, Why Collectivism Is Doomed, ran a few years ago on Natural News, but was then deleted for being too harsh. I had to find an archived copy on InfoWars.

The Premise: City-dwelling liberals will die in massive numbers in the event of any crisis. It specifically highlights L.A. as a death trap for reasons similar to those mentioned above.

To quote the article: Modern-day cities are artificial constructs ripe for collapse.

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 11, 2016 5:36 PM  

What would be the point of taking out the entire city of Los Angeles?  Would anyone do this as part of an ethnic-cleansing effort?

(Big place, I know.  I once spent some time working in Irvine and hung with friends in Lancaster.  Quite the road trip.)

Blogger Timothy MEEHAN April 11, 2016 6:25 PM  

@13 They did it in Acadia too and it's about to come back to bite them in the arse, 260 years later.

Anonymous Cheddarman of Christendom April 11, 2016 7:24 PM  

James Dixon, having lived my whole life in various states in the rust belt and New England, I can tell you the South has nothing to fear from the northern red state types. We view you as good people. We would have our hands full up here when the government runs out of money and the free shit armies start burning things down. I think William Lind was right in his novel Victoria. The Old Confederacy will come out of the break up in fine shape. I predict that southern ohio, Indiana and Illinois, and Missouri will petition to join the South or be vassal states when the dust settles.

Blogger JCclimber April 12, 2016 12:42 AM  

While I am hopeful it will be relatively peaceful, I am 100% confident that it will be massively bloody.

With spillover into many parts of the world. And the pendulum will swing far into the other direction, and as hard as it has been pushed to the left, it will be swung to the right.

Blogger rho April 12, 2016 3:30 AM  

When the European Civil War occurs, y'all are third generation I don't give a fuck. Some hopped up Red Indian with pretentions to Mexican heritage living in go-fuck-yourself-Italy.

No thanks.

Anonymous James James April 12, 2016 7:50 AM  

'Martin van Creveld in "Migration and War"'

Where is this published?

Anonymous LurkingPuppy April 12, 2016 9:50 AM  

James James wrote:'Martin van Creveld in "Migration and War"'

Where is this published?


It's in ‘There Will Be War Volume X’.

Anonymous Realitycheck April 12, 2016 10:49 AM  

Helmuth Nyborg was fired for producing low quality work. His research is rubbish.

I know, I know, you refuse to believe it, and you think its a conspiracy etc. I won't bother trying to convince you.

However, he also argued, quite strongly, that atheists are much smarter than the religious (most of his research was on Christians).

By the way, the religious research was mostly in Europe and the US, and the effect is much stronger than the effect of gender (in his research).

So if you are really worried about the effects of low IQ, you should kick out the Christians, by your own logic.

Anonymous Bz April 12, 2016 12:19 PM  

More precisely, it looks like Nyborg was the subject of an SJW attack for his heretical views. (Should we call that subset "Science Social Justice Warriors", SSJWs?)

Here is his homepage: http://www.helmuthnyborg.dk/

Much of the fight seems to be in Danish (good luck!), but the section named "Universities in a global witch hunt" will sound familiar to the experienced reader.

Anonymous Discard April 12, 2016 3:50 PM  

66. Mr Rational: The Los Angeles Metropolitan Area is largely foreigners, their offspring, and their supporters. Many of the smaller cities are dominated by one flavor or another of outsider. Artesia is India. Glendale is Armenia. La Cresenta is Korea. Arcadia is China. Beverly Hills is Iran. Lots of cleaning to do.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 12, 2016 4:33 PM  

@56 BigGayKoranBurner:

I've wanted to see Mecca nuked with 50 megatons since I was 9, but the problem with doing that is that Pakistan possesses nukes of their

Nukes have to be maintained, as do rockets. Do you really think that if affirmative action hampered NASA cant make it to the space station without Russia's help, that Pakistan has a delivery system with an effective range farther than a mule cart?


There are many ways of delivering ordnance:

"Police Officer Shows Judge ‘How Grenade Works’ In Court — Three Injured"

"Authorities say the police officer will be severely punished once he recovers from his injuries."

I'm sure....

Blogger EscapeVelocity April 12, 2016 8:01 PM  

Repatriation is the most humane policy prescription. Minimizing misery for all concerned, both Europeans and the Muslim immigrants.

Blogger Akulkis April 19, 2016 3:11 AM  

@77
"Repatriation is the most humane policy prescription. Minimizing misery for all concerned, both Europeans and the Muslim immigrants."

And why should we be the slightest bit interested in "minimizing misery" for the hijarists (Those who engaged in deliberate, unarmed invasion of a non-Moslem land for the deliberate purpose of out-breeding the locals until they have the numbers to slaughter all non Moslems.)

If you don't want that sort of thing to happen again, the best way to protect the society is this:

A policy towards the Moslem after the shooting stats that is simply: No Escape, No Survivers, No Converting from Islam.

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