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Wednesday, April 20, 2016

Cruz curb-stomped in New York

60.5 Trump
24.8 Kasich
14.7 Cruz

From the Decision Desk results, it looks as if Trump will take as many as 94 of the 95 delegates. So, obviously, the most important consequence is that it puts Trump back on track to win the 1,237 delegates he needs.

But the primary result also makes clear that Cruz is not a serious national candidate. No one who has observed the way he is attempting to lawyer himself into the nomination while getting repeatedly destroyed at the polls can possibly conclude that he is a viable Republican nominee, considering how he can't win in either the more liberal northeastern states or more conservative southern ones.

His core constituency appears to be cuckservatives in states with sufficiently low immigration who are still unaware of the realities of the great issue of our day.

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2016 4:08 AM  

The "Cuck Belt" from Wyoming to Wisconsin is his turf. Nowhere else. I also noted Cruz downplaying Trump’s win in his home state as nothing to be impressed about.

Now Scotty Numbers/SPERGOTRON 3000 will regale us with tales of derring do for the next 18 hours.

Blogger Scott6584 April 20, 2016 4:09 AM  

Like it matters...

Blogger Ahazuerus April 20, 2016 4:13 AM  

Of course it matters. It might not matter as much as some people think, i.e. It won't likely change the overall trend, but it matters.

If the American people don't elect Trump they can only elect someone much much worse...

Blogger SciVo April 20, 2016 4:17 AM  

Looks like 90, which is still great. That beats most expectations, and is right in line with 538's "deliberately optimistic path-to-1,237 projections."

Blogger peter blandings April 20, 2016 4:29 AM  

No one who has observed the way he is attempting to lawyer himself into the nomination while getting repeatedly destroyed at the polls can possibly conclude that he is a viable Republican nominee,

i think you're giving the RNC credit for more brains than they have. they ran romney twice even though the first time he lost to the guy who lost to obama. come 2020, cruz will be their boy. count on it.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 20, 2016 4:33 AM  

I'd have been more surprised if Trump had NOT won his home state. This merely slows Cruz's closure rate, not stops it.

I think Trump and Cruz are both going to get to the convention with around 1,100 delegates. This is going to a floor fight. If Trump doesn't win on the first ballot, he's in trouble. If he doesn't win on the second, he's done. Cruz...if he doesn't win on the second ballot, he's hurting. A failure on the third ballot throws it to None Of The Above.

And after the last primary in early June, I think we're going to see a serious attempt to find a suitable None Of The Above candidate. Get out the popcorn, this will get interesting.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch April 20, 2016 4:33 AM  

Cuckservative Cruz will never win against Hillary.

Blogger Scott6584 April 20, 2016 4:37 AM  

Actually, you Trumpbots should fully enjoy the victories Trump will get this week and next. Milk them for all they're worth.

Seriously. Enjoy them to the fullest.

Blogger Mandos April 20, 2016 4:51 AM  

Nailed it. It is a massacre for Cruz. Even Kasich crucifies him. He has no shot at the general whatsoever. At this point he is basically GOPe's kamikaze, common decency would suggest him to end this ridiculous game and surrender now but he can't help it, he must be really inhabited by this idea that he is the Chosen One. No wonder his naked ambition betrayed him in the Beltway plots.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2016 4:51 AM  

Scott,

It may surprise you, but I think Trump is full of shit. Just like I think Cruz is even more full of shit. Your boy is a cuban, not even American, and is literally sleeping with Goldman Sachs.

He is a liar, just like the rest of them. I simply look for any schadenfreude there is to be had.

Blogger tz April 20, 2016 4:56 AM  

@6 Cruz won't get over 1000.
Even with a manipulaTED result for a contesTED convention.
Trump will be the clear winner, and is likely to get 1237 after CA. If Trump gets over 1200 and gets cucked, there will be a revolt.

Blogger tz April 20, 2016 5:15 AM  

Cruz didn't get 50% of Texas. Trump got 60% of New York. Kasich similarly didn't go over 50% in Ohio, and Trump won MI.
I think Indiana will go for Trump, but it is a question.

Blogger Scott6584 April 20, 2016 5:18 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Scott,

It may surprise you, but I think Trump is full of shit. Just like I think Cruz is even more full of shit. Your boy is a cuban, not even American, and is literally sleeping with Goldman Sachs.

He is a liar, just like the rest of them. I simply look for any schadenfreude there is to be had.


As a Cruz supporter, I am actually pretty relaxed about the beating Cruz will take this week and next. For me, the next big hurdle is flipping Indiana into the Cruz Column, if possible.

Polls out of California show Trump with a 7 point lead (37% to 30%), but polls of likely Republican voters show them in a dead heat (36% to 36%). Of the 159 delegates in California, if the two split the vote, then that is 78 delegates for one of them, and 81 for the other. The guy with 81 delegates gets another 13 for winning the statewide majority.

So, that is 94 - 78, and whichever candidate wins that is a toss up. Indiana is big. The five states next week, plus NY tonight were already factored into the calculations, so they aren't going to discourage me. After next week, it's going to be difficult for Trump to collect more delegates out west, other than the coastal states.

I don't think he gets to 1200.

Blogger James Higham April 20, 2016 5:23 AM  

Cruz's eligibility inevitably comes down to his mother's doings and where she was prior to his birth, if she had relinquished citizenship, what her 8 year doings were in Britain. She's the key, as with Obama's mother.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2016 5:25 AM  

You're right, Scotty. You're pretty lax. That's why you type whole novels about Cruz.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch April 20, 2016 5:31 AM  

@13 I am actually pretty relaxed about the beating Cruz will take this week and next.

I'm actually pretty relaxed about the beating that the Republican Party will take after Cruz gets nominated. This country deserves 8 full years of Hillary Clinton, and the Republican Party deserves to die forever.

Whether my overlord, Donald Trump, wins or loses, I win either way.

Our destruction is at hand. Rejoice.

Blogger Lovekraft April 20, 2016 5:58 AM  

I expect the marxists to use their Soros money to bog down the right in lawsuit after lawsuit, all the while importing millions of turd-worlders.

Audit the fed, Soros, Zuckerberg, Saudi Arabia.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 20, 2016 5:58 AM  

The geographic contiguity of Cruz'support may be coincidental rather than an indication of a serious regional aversion to Trump - his hometown states plus Mormons plus easily manipulated closed caucuses plus Wisconsin. I don't think his support comes down to oblivious, isolated whites who are unaware of mass immigration. Trump won Southern states, New Hampshire, Vermont, which are as isolated. TX and OK have obviously been devastated by migrants. Trump won white rural areas of WI but not suburban whites fleeing the diversity of Milwaukee. Iowa has many meatpacking towns taken over by Hispanics.

Anonymous Steve April 20, 2016 6:24 AM  

Interesting stat:

Trump won more than 300% of the votes of all the Republican candidates combined in the previous New York Republican primary.

Anonymous Steve April 20, 2016 6:26 AM  

Interesting stat:

Trump won more than 300% of the votes of all the Republican candidates combined in the previous New York Republican primary.

Blogger YIH April 20, 2016 6:38 AM  

Laramie Hirsch:
Cuckservative Cruz will never win against Hillary.
I don't think so either. The closet door has been cracked open and bones have been spotted, but I suspect there's more where that came from.
Trump has begun to target the Lizard Queen, that shows he's starting to focus on the general, that might be premature, but it shows he's thinking ahead.
I suspect if Cruz is the nominee, he'll defer to Hillary like McCain and Romney did with Obama. It'll be another formulaic campaign of tax cuts, lip service to pro-life, vague pledges to cut that never defined ''waste, fraud and abuse'' and claims to redouble ''the fight against ISIS'' which, due to those who are supporting it is as much of a sham as we're already seeing.
The Lizard Queen will treat Cruz like her other favorite thing to eat.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2016 6:50 AM  

Doritos?

Anonymous Steve April 20, 2016 6:53 AM  

YIH - I too suspect Clinton would beat Cruz.

It comes down to personality and demographics. To win a presidential election a Republican candidate now needs to energise his own party's base and pick up non-traditional Republican voters.

Cruz, like Romney and McCain before him, lacks broad-spectrum popular appeal. He started his campaign with those amusing Photoshopped posters of a tattooed, devil-may-care rebel with a cause Cruz - which suggested he'd be a hell-raising populist outsider - but quickly morphed into Ned Flanders.

Hillary needs a good rhetorical kicking. A spergy lawyer quoting lengthy memorised passages from the US Constitution at her isn't going to get the job done.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2016 6:57 AM  

Who's more likely to repeat the stupidity known as "never ever hit a woman under any circumstances"? Whoever is will lose to a woman.

Blogger YIH April 20, 2016 7:12 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother:
Check that YouTube clip, I'm glad I never watched the remake of V, that scene was much better without the CGI.

Anonymous hcm April 20, 2016 7:12 AM  

The delusion of the Cruz Cucks knows no limits, does it? He needs, what, 92% of the remaining delegates to win? Hell, at this point he needs something like 74% of remaining delegates to reach Napoleon's laughable scenario.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2016 7:13 AM  

Throat distension FTW. Although think of the special attention ahe could pay you with that ability!

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 7:31 AM  

***chuckle***

Since when is winning New York a good sign?

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 7:35 AM  

" Trump got 60% of New York."

I would remind you that these are the people who have elected Guiliani (who is a trump guy by the way) and Bloomberg... and on and on and on.

We all knew Trump would own New York people. I know he's had a bad few weeks and its nice to get some good news again. Enjoy it. Just remember when you're celebrating that you're celebrating the choice of a bunch of idiot socialists in a den of whores and vipers that most of us would just as soon see flushed into the sea.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 20, 2016 7:38 AM  

@24 Stg58:
Concur, but neither Trump nor Cruz will hesitate to hit. Cruz has shown the sort of no-holds-barred tactics Lee Atwater used to win with.

Blogger Gaiseric April 20, 2016 7:51 AM  

Actually, you Trumpbots should fully enjoy the victories Trump will get this week and next. Milk them for all they're worth.

Trumpbots? Trumpbots? Anyone who can come here and think those of us who think Trump is the best choice this election season can't possibly think that we're bots. That's just pure projection.

His core constituency appears to be cuckservatives in states with sufficiently low immigration who are still unaware of the realities of the great issue of our day.

The red pill is a process, not something that takes place in an instant. For those who are fairly conservative but who still have a few lingering wisps of blue haze floating around their heads as leftovers from their cultural Marxist indoctrination, the bizarre notion that the de-Americanization of America is the American thing to do is one of the last virtues left to signal.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2016 7:52 AM  

@Napoleon 12pdr
I think Trump and Cruz are both going to get to the convention with around 1,100 delegates.

Given how manic Cruz has appeared to been lately, I have no idea how you think that. There's a very real chance he's going to self-destruct spectacularly.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 7:54 AM  

Just a reminder about New York Primary Election history.

Mitt Romney got 62% of the votes in 2012.

Ron Paul got 14%.

Anonymous Steve April 20, 2016 7:55 AM  

Whoever is will lose to a woman.

Yes. And had Mr Cruz been the front-runner, and therefore attracting the shenanigans of performance artists like Michelle Fields, I suspect he'd have apologised, sacked his campaign manager, and be out of the race by now.

Ted's use of rhetoric is interesting. Good rhetoric is good rhetoric if it works. Is this good rhetoric?

Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz
Join me now on this journey: http://tedcruz.org

It is time for us as a nation to be who we are destined to be.


I'm not capable of judging whether this is inspiring to American voters or not. But I suspect not. It looks like politicalboilerplate.txt Is anybody excited by the possibility of being "who we are destined to be"?


Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz
We will restore our spirit. We will free our minds & imagination. We will create a better world. We will bring back jobs, freedom & security


This seems better to my mind, simply because he mentions a tangible sales benefit of choosing Cruz - jobs. The message as a whole has an unfortunate "twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!" cadence though.

Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz
I call on you to chart a new American journey forward. One that isn’t led by anyone in Washington, but by you.


This one is horrible, IMO. There's a reason why Rand Paul's "Defeat the Washington machine, unleash the American dream" slogan failed to catch on.

And here's Trump:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!


It's almost childishly simple and direct, and he repeats it regularly. That's why it works. Cato the Elder would approve.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 7:56 AM  

"Given how manic Cruz has appeared to been lately, I have no idea how you think that. There's a very real chance he's going to self-destruct spectacularly."

I don't think he's going to self destruct. I just think Trump is still going to win enough to get close enough to 1237 to make a deal and have it locked up before the first vote.

Trump doesn't have to get to 1237 before the convention. He has to get to about 1100. If he hits 1100 he'll be able to make a deal for the last 150 or so delegates he needs and that will be that.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 7:58 AM  

"It's almost childishly simple and direct, and he repeats it regularly"

its not almost childish. It is childish.

Anonymous Godfrey April 20, 2016 8:04 AM  

Well... since they may not be able to steal it from him, that leaves them with only three alternatives:

(1) a convenient accident or "lone nut"
(2) convert him to a cooperative (co-op)
(3)) Hillary

Anonymous aegis-1080 April 20, 2016 8:08 AM  

People that see "muh Constitution" lawyer spergery and rules lawyerism and think "Totally electable candidate there" are delusional. El Rato simply doesn't have what it takes, also, he's owned by Goldman Sachs.

Now that he can't win first-ballot, he's just another GOPe tool to try (and fail) to keep the nomination from Trum. Just like Kasich.

Anonymous Steve April 20, 2016 8:08 AM  

Nate - so was "Carthago Delenda Est".

So was "I Like Ike", or "Have A Coke And A Smile" or "Finger Lickin Good".

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2016 8:10 AM  

If Trump is genuine and not playing the heel, a bullet will find him.

I guarantee it.

Blogger CM April 20, 2016 8:11 AM  

@Nate

NYC has a huge impact on the perception of NY.

My family is from NY as is my husband... and they are all "conservative" and not in the cucky way.

People voting in that primary are not NY liberals. They are upstate conservatives dealing with the reality of laws that NYC has foisted on their state.

Blogger Legion of Logic April 20, 2016 8:11 AM  

Just like everything else about him. No wonder he has such a cult following.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2016 8:12 AM  

@Nate
its not almost childish. It is childish.

Are you trying to assert that Trump's a dumbass or something?

I have no idea what this pointless attempt at clarification is otherwise.

I don't think he's going to self destruct. I just think Trump is still going to win enough to get close enough to 1237 to make a deal and have it locked up before the first vote.

The former is not necessarily related to the latter. Trump could win big several weeks in a row and lose all the rest of them and not even break 1000, but if Cruz just melts down during those weeks while Trump is up...

Blogger Bob Hughes April 20, 2016 8:13 AM  

The Cuck Belt..... lmao

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 20, 2016 8:19 AM  

People, Cruz isn't literally sleeping with Goldman Sachs.

He is literally cheating on Goldman Sachs. 5 times.

He's sneaky good like that.

OpenID countenance April 20, 2016 8:22 AM  

Ted Cruz might be trying to "lawyer his way" into the nomination, but it's a "lawyering" process that, if successful, would not result in Ted Cruz winning the nomination. I'm trying to figure out if he realizes that the people using him to keep Trump from winning are also people that want no part of him, or if he's so blinded by his lifelong ambition to be President that he doesn't realize this.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly April 20, 2016 8:24 AM  

Those asking about Indiana upthread. Trump wins the 1st, 2nd, and 7th District. Cruz takes the rest and the state. So, without any kind of polling that I have seen for Indiana (which is always a hard thing anyhow, hurrah phone laws!): 9 delegates for Trump out of Indiana.

Trump gets the industrial northwest and north central that have been wrecked by the Rust Belt on the back of "America Great Again". The rest of the state is slowly being encroached by foreigners, but not enough to set off a full realization yet. And in a vast portion of Hoosierdom, "respectability" is still a major concern.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 8:24 AM  

"Trump won more than 300% of the votes of all the Republican candidates combined in the previous New York Republican primary."

And Hillary had 200% more than Trump.

While everybody else is focusing on race "diversity," I note that Bernie won in counties that in the last gubernatorial election voted second amendment single issue Republican.

Hillary won in counties that voted to retain Andrew "SAFE Act" Cuomo.

That will repeat in the presidential and Hillary will win NY against either Trump or Cruz, even though she only wins in three or four cities and the state itself will be solid red.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 20, 2016 8:28 AM  

Great for Trump, Bad for Cucks.

NY rejected the insult regarding, 'New York values.'

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 8:30 AM  

"The former is not necessarily related to the latter. Trump could win big several weeks in a row and lose all the rest of them and not even break 1000, but if Cruz just melts down during those weeks while Trump is up..."

You and I both know that isn't going to happen. PA is much more of an issue for Trump than Indiana. in fact... PA is the maybe the only remaining issue for Trump.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 8:32 AM  

as for the Cruz meltdown... mate that is wish fulfillment fantasy. Cruz is way to calculating and rational to melt down.

its like expecting Vox to melt down. It just isn't going to happen.

Anonymous Steve April 20, 2016 8:32 AM  

Kfg - And Hillary had 200% more than Trump.

Quite right. The Republicans saw a huge increase in turnout, the Democrats saw a slight dip, and Hillary did a bit worse this time than in 2008, when she was up against Obama.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 8:35 AM  


"Are you trying to assert that Trump's a dumbass or something?"

I didn't used to think so but I am starting to. He's made some obvious mistakes lately that have honestly been embarassing. Bad hiring choices... and he's shown a complete inability to recognize the ground game problem and address it.

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2016 8:36 AM  

> Now that he can't win first-ballot...

Cruz currently has 559 delegates, there are still 734 available, both per Google. 559+734= 1293. Cruz can still win on the first ballot if he takes 678 of the remaining 734 delegates. Now, if you believe that's going to happen, I have some prime Florida real estate for you.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 8:37 AM  

"That will repeat in the presidential and Hillary will win NY against either Trump or Cruz, even though she only wins in three or four cities and the state itself will be solid red"

this is why I've always believed the next war will be Rural vs Urban.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 20, 2016 8:41 AM  

The GOP/Conservative, Inc. people are fat with decade after decade of returning incumbents to office (at a higher rate in the USA than were Soviet Politburo members in the USSR.)

A two-party system is very stable; so stable that it stays on a trajectory long past the point where popular consent ended. Trump's popularity is ample evidence that the GOP rode incumbency miles beyond their policy expiration date.

Unfortunately, nothing will change until there is practically a revolution. It requires "take to the streets" rage to extract the GOP ticks embedded by incumbency in Congress and state legislatures.

I don't see this occurring until the 40 year asset mania's euphoria finally evaporates, and it already feels like a pregnant woman 3 weeks past her due date.

Maybe the GOP's managers have every intention on pulling a fast one on Trump's supporters. If so, it simply moves the country closer to that "march in the streets" rage necessary to wash republican incumbents from legislative and executive branches of government en masse.

Anonymous WinstonWebb April 20, 2016 8:46 AM  

this is why I've always believed the next war will be Rural vs Urban.

Easy peasy. All the rural areas have to do is cut off the food supply to the cities.


Monsanto Company Headquarters
800 North Lindbergh Blvd.
St. Louis, Missouri 63167

D'oh!

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 8:48 AM  

UFC 200

Carl Urban Vs Redneck Rural

For the super-fatweights

Nate you do know that the rural area only has 10% of the population right? It is first world standard that 10% rural.

Anonymous Anonymous April 20, 2016 8:49 AM  

Cruz will win ...Trump is the devil.
Cruz will win ...Trump is the devil
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Cruz will win ...Trump is the devil
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Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2016 8:52 AM  

36. Nate April 20, 2016 7:58 AM
its not almost childish. It is childish.


granting the privilege of the franchise ( while pretending that it's a 'Right' ) to practically the entire adult population guarantees that a super majority of the voters will be < 120.

don't elect a people who are intellectual children ... and then complain that childish tactics must be used to win.

that's infantile.

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 8:52 AM  

I guess that is some sort of ... Camp fire chant???

To call the spirits of Romney maybe.

Anonymous Til April 20, 2016 8:53 AM  

Nate makes a great Presidential Campaign critic from his armchair over there.

He should be running.

Oh, and Nate, to make fun of Trump's slogan just shows how ignorant you are about politics. With universal suffrage, you need the vote of dumb people. This is obvious.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 20, 2016 8:54 AM  

Hoosierhillbilly, I remember vibrants rioting in Indianapolis every now and then. Seems like that could help Trump in indiana.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 20, 2016 8:54 AM  

this is why I've always believed the next war will be Rural vs Urban.

If "life imitates art" I'm rooting for a series of Escape from New York and its sequels. Ring 'em with walls & moats, shoot anything that tries to get out, and dump inside any 5th columnists.

Blogger Alexander April 20, 2016 8:57 AM  

The best thing about "Make America Great Again" is that Progressive oppose every single word of it. They oppose making things, they deny America, they despise greatness, and they believe that the march of time is always forward to the left.

Blogger Harsh April 20, 2016 8:58 AM  

You Cruz supporters are starting to sound as unbalanced as Bernie supporters...

Anonymous The OASF April 20, 2016 8:59 AM  

"Just a reminder about New York Primary Election history.

Mitt Romney got 62% of the votes in 2012.

Ron Paul got 14%." @33

When are you Ron/Rand Paul fanboys going to get it? Not a valid comparison. The Paul's failed spectacularly on the two issues that Americans actually care about... 1. Illegal Immigration 2. Social Security-Medicare. Trump got them right, and also stayed on the correct side on all the other issues, including the protection of the 2nd amendment.

I've always found this especially interesting considering that Mr. Protect the Constitution Ron Paul somehow glazed over Article 4/Section 4 of the US Constitution. He also never quite figured out that Medicare/Social Security is actually one of the few solvent Federal government programs ever created, less the Pentagon and Bankster looting of the funds.

Too bad Ron and his Stansberry Research buddies never put together an infomercial on that.

I have not idea exactly why the Paul clan failed so badly on these issues, but I assume that if they were to have crossed those lines... his GOPe subsidizers would dump him directly overboard and ostracized sonny boy.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 20, 2016 9:01 AM  

Eduardo, did you know that the rural areas produce 100% of the food? You win wars against the state by controlling the country side.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 9:05 AM  

"this is why I've always believed the next war will be Rural vs Urban."

Right, which is why I keep pointing out that the northeast is not the hotbed of progressivism that many who live outside of it tend to think it is.

Keeping cows forces a foundation in reality, and outside the few big cities there are still places where the cows still outnumber the people 10 to 1.

Rural will have all the food and a rifle behind every blade of grass, and they are getting ready for it.

Urban will have some cops, who won't be anywhere near enough to handle the urban riots when the food stops coming, the garbage stops going and the lights go out. They not only aren't ready for it, they are doing everything they can to ignore the fact that it's coming.

The question is whether rural has enough ammo to handle the locust swarm when it tries to bust out. Keeping them trapped in the hives with nothing but each other to eat is likely to be key.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 20, 2016 9:05 AM  

Social security is a ponzi scheme. Do you know what a ponzi scheme is and how they end?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx April 20, 2016 9:06 AM  

Steve wrote:Whoever is will lose to a woman.


Ted's use of rhetoric is interesting. Good rhetoric is good rhetoric if it works. Is this good rhetoric?

Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz

Join me now on this journey: http://tedcruz.org

It is time for us as a nation to be who we are destined to be.


I'm not capable of judging whether this is inspiring to American voters or not. But I suspect not. It looks like politicalboilerplate.txt Is anybody excited by the possibility of being "who we are destined to be"?
...



No, it's creepy. You have a good ear. I don't even know what street America is on but it doesn't take a brain spergeon to see through this spectacle.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 9:07 AM  

"Ring 'em with walls & moats, shoot anything that tries to get out, and dump inside any 5th columnists."

Exactly. And poison the moats.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 20, 2016 9:12 AM  

Ted Cruz in...Return of the Jeb Eye

"Marco Foam Rubio, you're my only hope...Marco Foam Rubio you're my only hope..."

Come back, Pool Boy. We was just playin' witchya.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2016 9:12 AM  

@Nate
You and I both know that isn't going to happen. PA is much more of an issue for Trump than Indiana. in fact... PA is the maybe the only remaining issue for Trump.

Nate, the train is fine. You're sperging out on Trump's chances after I pointed out that it's not even necessarily related, and only instead answered the main point after you posted your sperging.

as for the Cruz meltdown... mate that is wish fulfillment fantasy. Cruz is way to calculating and rational to melt down.

Noted, Nate believes that people who rely on logic and cold calculation can never melt down.

The difference between the pressure being put on Vox and the pressure being put on Cruz is that Vox's enemies keep trying to hammer on points that Vox just does. not. care about at all. The pressure being put on Cruz is him pressuring himself to win and succeed - thus he cares a metric crapton.

Regardless, we'll see. Willing to make a wager on it?

Blogger Chris Mallory April 20, 2016 9:15 AM  

@67 Not only food, but power generation is largely a rural endeavor. Cut the electricity going in to NYC and how long does it last?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgq4w4dqKsU

Anonymous Rolf April 20, 2016 9:16 AM  

If Cruz & the R insiders manage to lawyer him into being the presidential candidate of the Corporate Establishment Party, it will be a near perfect example of a pyrrhic victory. It will be turned into the modern-day horror-story titled "be careful what you wish for - you might get it."

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 9:19 AM  

"Regardless, we'll see. Willing to make a wager on it?"

absoluely.

We need a solid set of qualifiers to define melt-down though. Normally a meltdown is a "know it when you see it" thing but for betting purposes I doubt that is good enough.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2016 9:19 AM  

He also never quite figured out that Medicare/Social Security is actually one of the few solvent Federal government programs ever created, less the Pentagon and Bankster looting of the funds.

Math is hard

Anonymous Big Bill April 20, 2016 9:22 AM  

@23: "YIH - I too suspect Clinton would beat Cruz."

From a Goldman Sachs perspective, both Clinton and Cruz would make fine presidents. GS' real work is in locking up their two preferred candidates. Once Clinton and Cruz are selected, they can rest easy and leave the shadow-show election to the citizens.

GS: "Which do you prefer for dinner, Suzie? Chicken livers or tripe? It's your choice."

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 9:24 AM  

" You're sperging out on Trump's chances after I pointed out that it's not even necessarily related, and only instead answered the main point after you posted your sperging."

Pointing out that there is no chance donald trump isn't going to break 1000 delegates isn't sperging.

The assertion that it is even remotely likely that donald wont hit 1000 is borderline retarded.

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2016 9:24 AM  

@Nate
We need a solid set of qualifiers to define melt-down though. Normally a meltdown is a "know it when you see it" thing but for betting purposes I doubt that is good enough.

Given you defined him as calculating and rational, would even an instant of intense negative emotions count? Especially, but not necessarily limited to, if it paints him in a negative light and/or his polling numbers fall afterwards?

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2016 9:26 AM  

Pointing out that there is no chance donald trump isn't going to break 1000 delegates isn't sperging.

The assertion that it is even remotely likely that donald wont hit 1000 is borderline retarded.


It's sperging because the specific number was not relevant, rather the implication that Trump could fall far short of what we expect of him yet Cruz still meltdown, was.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2016 9:26 AM  

His core constituency appears to be cuckservatives in states with sufficiently low immigration who are still unaware of the realities of the great issue of our day.

NY republicans aren't anti immigrant.

From the WSJ on NY exit polling:

Some 60% of Republican voters said illegal immigrants working in the U.S. should have a chance of earning legal status, while 36% called for deporting them, exit polls showed.

Blogger Salt April 20, 2016 9:26 AM  

Eduardo wrote:Nate you do know that the rural area only has 10% of the population right?

About what it took to take on King George.

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 9:27 AM  

I like the idea of a march forward... To the left lol!

Seriously that cracks me up. Not that the Left is entirely made of bad ideas, but I find hard to see good things coming out of Left's thinking that don't involve stealing from the rich to give it to the poor while robin hood stays in Sherwood's private mansion!!! Or making people pay cause they are the oppressors.

But the real funny part is that people love this idea... Especially poor people with hard lifes. I guess it makes it easier on you if you think everybody else is the problem and that every social gain is made through coup-et-stat, and forcing the powerful to give you more rights like being able to change sex in public hospitals or teach children how to have a nice anal sex! Super important just like... Knowing that one day human beings were once monkey-like. Our population once were bacteria-like but that is not as humbling I suppose... And it also makes it clear that it is just irrelevant what we were a billions years ago! Or 100 years ago for that matter.

Well well... At least there is a march to the Right too, right???

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2016 9:27 AM  

And if I might add, that's pretty much the definition of sperging.

Anonymous liljoe April 20, 2016 9:31 AM  

but he's relaxed because he's already calculated Cruz's upcoming defeats into his calculations. the new math!

Blogger Legion of Logic April 20, 2016 9:31 AM  

Trump got 60 ish percent of the vote and over 90 percent of the delegates. What a corrupt system that Trump is benefiting from, right? Haha

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 9:32 AM  

Salt

Well... We are talking about a civil war here among city and rural people. It is very clear that the highly trained in subway riding, club-going, pencilpushing, sidewalk-walking and bus-riding veterans of the city have the upper hand. Those rural boys ain't gotta a chance

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2016 9:35 AM  

Trump got 60 ish percent of the vote and over 90 percent of the delegates. What a corrupt system that Trump is benefiting from, right? Haha

Yeah, crazy how corrupt a simple majority is. Down with democracy!

Blogger Wade April 20, 2016 9:39 AM  

"while 36% called for deporting them, exit polls showed."

That actually seems pretty good. And isn't that in line with what Nate says about most of America not being apposed to immigrants at this point? At least in the same way that Europe is?

Anonymous #AlwaysCruz #NeverTrump April 20, 2016 9:39 AM  

Looks like Trumps wailing propaganda (I wuz robbed!) against Cruz in Colorado and other states is working. This Trumpian bullying is intended to force the GOPe to cave at the Convention if Trump goes in there 50 delegates short of a win on the first ballot (shades of Germany in the 1930s). If you believe this is ethical and leadership and principled, then I have a Trump U course to sell you.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 20, 2016 9:40 AM  

The question is whether rural has enough ammo to handle the locust swarm when it tries to bust out.

The experience of Sarajevo a few years ago was instructive. "Snipers" (AKA anyone with a rifle, preferably with a scope) pinned down anything that moved and made any daylight (or often night) travel suicidal.

The USA is awash in "America's Rifle" (AR15) which scopes beautifully. Lots of folks probably have sprung for NV or even thermal scopes (too $$ for me) and billions of rounds have been vacuumed up and sit in storage.

If things came unglued, I see half the continent being too dangerous for travel of any sort. Highways would be kill boxes. Bridges would be shooting galleries. Control would be extremely local.

Yes, we're a long, long way from that, but phase changes are possible even if improbable from this vantage. Even a month of lockdown would reduce the orc, useless or unprepared population by 90% or more.

Long periods of calm embed the seeds of chaos.

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 9:42 AM  

Well... Errr... Forgot that tiny problem. Dude why you have to attack me with evidence... Such a microagression sir!

Well the city people could eat themselves!!! So there, see!!!

Okay in all seriousness i guess the Rural people have complete upper hand, still food could come from outside, a friendly state maybe, like Canada or Mexico. Guess a city if not sieged could battle for several months.

(Can't shake the feeling that city people are sissies... Just like New Yorkers being such a hard people melted the crap down after 9-11)

Blogger Alexander April 20, 2016 9:42 AM  

Let us assume a 10:1 advantage in the city-dwellers.

I'll use Atlanta as my example, being this is the closest blight.

Food, gas, and power stop coming into the city... first 72 hours, everyone in the city hunkers down, draining their home food supplies and those of local groceries, and hoarding gas.

So when we get into days 3-10, aka Africans Gone Wild, the logistics for getting out of Atlanta will cease to exist: if you don't already have a full tank of gas and supplies, you aren't going to be able to get them.

Not that it will help anyway, because traffic will be absolute shit, cars will be abandoned, and the highway will go to a standstill. Water will be a life-threatening concern.

In short: the fraction of the city that gets out on Day 0 will have a very high survival rate, though this group will be people who are 1. aware and 2. have funds or family where they can go to, meaning they are the least threatening group.

The rest of them, by the time they've burned and killed one another, or started a plague through their own sewage, or trapped themselves in a cage of their own making... meh.

And Atlanta has the advantage of - in theory - being able to escape in all directions with very few if any natural barriers. Most major urban areas are blocked to some degree.

Rural vs. City wouldn't even be classified as a fight.

Anonymous The OASF April 20, 2016 9:44 AM  

"Social security is a ponzi scheme. Do you know what a ponzi scheme is and how they end?"

Oh Lord, here we go with the ponzi schemes. Then all organized pooling of money is a ponzi scheme. And no, because car insurance is "private and not government and I can opt out" does not change that fact. We can debate the philosophy, all that, of SS/Medicare all day, but the fact is that it has worked out pretty well for most folks and hasn't bankrupted anyone or any country, despite media/government talking points.

My Dad was born in 1945 and he said he recalled that "they" were talking nonsense about mothballing SS/Med because of bankruptcy even way back when he was a kid. You see, the military/industrial/security/bankster/pharmaceutical complex always did want its hands on that money specifically because the program was SOLVENT.

So to get back on point, when Trump said "SS/Med would be just fine if we fixed the economy and made it robust again" he was exactly correct, the looting notwithstanding. Ron Paul's response to this quandary was to mothball the program for younger people with no reimbursement to them, but of course his age group and sonny boy's just had too much invested so they stayed above the "cut off." Yeah, not gonna cut it, Ron.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 April 20, 2016 9:44 AM  

Indiana is going for Cruz. It likes its government waste cutters a la Mitch Daniels (who incidentally has returned a bit a respectability to Purdue University since taking over as President after his term as Governor was over). In fact, it wouldn't shock me to see Trump come in a distant second there.


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Off topic but related Breivik has won a portion of a human rights case against Norway for his prison conditions. Though near as I can tell he was being afforded better accommodations than about 4 billion people on this planet already.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 9:45 AM  

@88 Eduardo:

The city people are more experienced at swarming and rioting. The rural boys are ready for a turkey shoot, but don't necessarily understand what a real swarm looks like.

They aren't ready for an organized siege. They're too spread out and independent minded. They're going to need some leadership to get them to ring in the cities before it's too late.

Blogger The Other Robot April 20, 2016 9:45 AM  

Now that it is mathematically impossible for Cruz (or Kasich) to win, the right thing for them to do now is to man up and withdraw.

Oh, wait.

Anonymous #AlwaysCruz #NeverTrump April 20, 2016 9:47 AM  

If you don't believe that Social Security is a ponzi scheme, then you are a liberal/leftist SJW.

Simple as that.

(Read, Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. Trump is a liberal fascist)

Blogger VFM #7191 April 20, 2016 9:47 AM  

Cruz is certainly not above losing his cool under pressure.

Sean Hannity Ted Cruz FULL HEATED Interview On The Sean Hannity Show

Blogger The Other Robot April 20, 2016 9:49 AM  

@97: If the city has bridges or tunnels to get to it, you drop those or fill them in. Also, block any freeways leading out.

People in cities usually don't know what to do next. Any that do are worth making exceptions for.

Blogger Harsh April 20, 2016 9:49 AM  

@AlwaysCruz

Don't worry, I'm sure your boy still has plenty of delegates to steal...

Blogger Harsh April 20, 2016 9:50 AM  

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Blogger S1AL April 20, 2016 9:52 AM  

I've said from the beginning, and I'll say it again: a Trump/Cruz ticket would be pretty much unstoppable. Shame it'll probably never happen.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 9:53 AM  

"My Dad was born in 1945 . . ."

When the baseline for support damn near went vertical. Now it is on the flip side of regression to the mean.

Can it be organized in a sustainable manner, given a robust economy. Yes.

But it ain't.

Blogger tz April 20, 2016 9:53 AM  

@72 return of the Jeb eye - good one
@54 700 delegates left, not all bound, 28 uncommitted.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R-PU.phtml

Ted won't get 1237 on the second ballot so it is the nightmare scenario if Trump doesn't get it on the first.

Rule 40 might affect things (8 states), but I expect it to fall.

Blogger Harsh April 20, 2016 9:53 AM  

Gamma tell = calling Trump a bully

Anonymous The OASF April 20, 2016 9:53 AM  

"Indiana is going for Cruz."

Indiana is "Straight Outta Cuckton."

Probably a rhetorical fail, but darn it, I liked it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 20, 2016 9:54 AM  

Eduardo
Okay in all seriousness i guess the Rural people have complete upper hand, still food could come from outside, a friendly state maybe, like Canada or Mexico.

Last time I checked Mexico was a net food importer. Probably a whole lot of railroad cars full of grains cross the border from the US to Mexico every day.

Everyone got a copy of "Grow or Die" yet?

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 20, 2016 9:54 AM  

WinstonWebb wrote:Easy peasy. All the rural areas have to do is cut off the food supply to the cities.
That would take days.  Shut off the electricity and natural gas, and the cities will start falling apart in hours.

For a real troll, cut off the juice to the cities just before poll-opening time on election day.  Even the graveyard voters will have trouble getting their ballots in.

kfg wrote:Urban will have some cops, who won't be anywhere near enough to handle the urban riots when the food stops coming, the garbage stops going and the lights go out.
The cops may be among the first to bug out.  They know the score, and most have families to defend.

The question is whether rural has enough ammo to handle the locust swarm when it tries to bust out. Keeping them trapped in the hives with nothing but each other to eat is likely to be key.
This is the sort of thing that's going to be handled with roadblocks and caltrops.  The street pirates can't handle a non-urban environment and are not equipped for hiking; flatten their tires and they'll be meat.  Leave a truckload of dirt blocking a bridge and they'll turn around.  Doubly so if the roadblock is a bunch of burned-out ghetto cruisers with a few wooly-haired heads impaled on rebar out front.

kfg wrote:The rural boys are ready for a turkey shoot, but don't necessarily understand what a real swarm looks like.
The swarms have never been under sniper fire in living memory.  They will stampede away because they have nothing resembling esprit de corps.  Once exhausted they will be picked off easily, or just tied and done with knives.  There goes your swarm.

Any local pig farms and rendering plants will be in great shape for a while.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 20, 2016 9:56 AM  

Anyone here besides me have a copy of Pournelle / Niven's SF epic Lucifer's Hammer laying around? Eduardo probably needs to get a copy.

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 20, 2016 10:01 AM  

Lucifer's Hammer is on my shelf but I'm not willing to give it up.  I would lend it in exchange for Grow or die, though.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 10:02 AM  

"It's sperging because the specific number was not relevant, rather the implication that Trump could fall far short of what we expect of him yet Cruz still meltdown, was."

Everyone keeps focusing on 1237. It isn't 1237. As has been pointed out 1000 times... Trump just needs to get close enough to make a deal.

If you can think of a way for Cruz to stop Trump from hitting 1100 I would love to see it.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 20, 2016 10:03 AM  

New Statue of Liberty

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 10:04 AM  

kfg

Well that is a good point, but swarming and rioting against a well placed redneck with an AR-15 set on fully semi-automatic (yeah it is a joke) will cause severe morale drop on the city people being attacked. Although the lack of leadership may be the one thing that tips the balance.

Anonymous The OASF April 20, 2016 10:04 AM  

@99

"If you don't believe that Social Security is a ponzi scheme, then you are a liberal/leftist SJW.

Simple as that."

You probably have dozens of relatives that are living fat and happy on SS/Medicare... be honest.

You see "all for me and none for you, and if you don't like it you are a cuck/SJW" isn't gonna cut it.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 10:04 AM  

"Given you defined him as calculating and rational, would even an instant of intense negative emotions count? Especially, but not necessarily limited to, if it paints him in a negative light and/or his polling numbers fall afterwards?"

That's a gaffe. Not a meltdown. A meltdown is where someone does or says something so out-of-control bizzare that they cannot recover from it.

Which, is what your premise was based on. Something that made Cruz supporters to embarrassed by the association to continue to support him, and thus hand the thing to Trump.

Blogger Teri April 20, 2016 10:06 AM  

That's the point when I realized Cruz was an insider. I thought Sabo's work was brilliant and expected Cruz to use it to run as an outsider. He didn't. He acted like it embarrassed him. And that led to reading about his record as a Senator and about his wife's career.

Think of it. We have two Senators and a Senator/Sec of State with no real accomplishments to run on.

OpenID aegis-1080 April 20, 2016 10:10 AM  

"Cruz is way to calculating and rational to melt down."

That's why he threw a temper tantrum when he was asked if he was going to support Trump in the general.....lol.

Also, Cruz's supporters have no shame whatsoever. Who brags about rules-lawyering democracy? Who wants to be associated with a lunatic like Beck? Is a bullshit standard.

Blogger Anchorman April 20, 2016 10:12 AM  

Primaries aren't elections.

They're the system a party uses to pick nominees.

Complaining that they're not held in the same way elections are held shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what a political party is and how it operates.

Anonymous John in Highland Park April 20, 2016 10:13 AM  

"If you don't believe that Social Security is a ponzi scheme, then you are a liberal/leftist SJW.

Simple as that."

You probably have dozens of relatives that are living fat and happy on SS/Medicare... be honest.

You see "all for me and none for you, and if you don't like it you are a cuck/SJW" isn't gonna cut it.

The programs are not sustainable mathematically. Just because something is certain does not mean it is imminent. Not sure your not a cuck you just don't seem to understand math or SS/Medicare.

OpenID randkoch April 20, 2016 10:14 AM  

Shouldn't be too happy over Cruz's loss. It won't matter if Trump wins, but it'll matter a hell of a lot if he doesn't.

We need a number two. Say what you like about Cruz, but he's the only other candidate who might do okay on immigration. No one else comes close. Kasich or Rubio would be a disaster.

Blogger tz April 20, 2016 10:14 AM  

@93 - fly it in? Food from Canada would have to reach the cities, and rioting causes problems.

Venezuela is providing a preview.

@97 depends on the area. Many around here already know where to set up barriers and we are 3 full tanks from any big city.

A swarm is disorganized and they will use the major roads. There are only 5 to cross WA over the Cascades. Cascadia fault 9.x earthquake will be a problem.

@109 and a big volcano just started erupting in Mexico.

Lucifer's Hammer? an EMP from a nuke or solar flare will take down the power grid, with a 90% death rate for the USA. http://www.inquisitr.com/1450711/isis-power-grid-threat-voiced-by-electrical-system-experts/

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 10:15 AM  

Anchorman

that is just silly, why doesn't the GOP just go and choose JEB! why would you choose a nominee that doesn´t have as many votes as possible in a country where vote is not mandatory???

It is deep down a democratic election for a representative with no rule of law... sort of.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 10:16 AM  

"They will stampede away because they have nothing resembling esprit de corps."

They have nothing like rational thought either. The swarm will swarm, even under sniper fire, because that's what swarms do.

It will take concentrated fire at the road blocks. The snipers will be to "encourage" them to stay contained to the roads, funnelling toward the concentrated fire.

And while places like Manhattan are easy to contain at the bridges, places like the Bronx and Yonkers don't have any bridges and a zillion ways out. A line will have to be held at 287, which will be hard enough on the NY side. On the Jersey side it will be problematic.

Blogger Bill April 20, 2016 10:16 AM  

As far as a Cruz meltdown, this is close enough for me;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tItyzR3zV78

“Senator, I don’t know why you’re mad.”

Blogger praetorian April 20, 2016 10:16 AM  

How funny is it that Muh Dixie is the rock upon which the God-Emperor's ascension will be built?

Best of all possible worlds.

Anonymous #AlwaysCruz #NeverTrump April 20, 2016 10:17 AM  

"You probably have dozens of relatives that are living fat and happy on SS/Medicare... be honest."

I tell them every time I see them they are moochers. Many of these white trash relatives are voting for Trump too. I try to tell them about conservatism and the Constitution and they want to talk about WWE and UFC and sportsball.

I literally ripped a Trump sign out of my cousin's front yard. He asked why and simply said "because Hitler."

Blogger Student in Blue April 20, 2016 10:19 AM  

@Nate
Everyone keeps focusing on 1237. It isn't 1237. As has been pointed out 1000 times... Trump just needs to get close enough to make a deal.

If you can think of a way for Cruz to stop Trump from hitting 1100 I would love to see it.


As only you have pointed out 1000 times, you mean. I may be wrong but I don't recall anyone else posting that here.

You're still focusing on Trimp's numbers for some reason and taking a huge tangent from the point being discussed. Stop that. That's literally sperging. That or monomania, but they may be related.

That's a gaffe. Not a meltdown. A meltdown is where someone does or says something so out-of-control bizzare that they cannot recover from it.

Which, is what your premise was based on. Something that made Cruz supporters to embarrassed by the association to continue to support him, and thus hand the thing to Trump.


Incorrect. My premise was based on him self-immolating metaphorically, not based on handing the thing to Trump.

A gaffe, especially to a calculating and rational man, does not involve emotion, but is instead a mistake in perception or a slip of the tongue. A meltdown involves a slip of the emotions.

Any man can have a meltdown in his own private home and have it not publically affect him - thus meltdowns logically are not defined by their results in the public sphere.

Blogger Ahazuerus April 20, 2016 10:19 AM  

@Anchorman

The train is fine.

We're talking about people who've started multiple wars on the basis of exporting democracy.

But you can't export what you ain't got.

Horrific blood-drenched hypocrisy may not trouble your peculiar political wa, but for some it is disturbing ...

Blogger Anchorman April 20, 2016 10:21 AM  

that is just silly, why doesn't the GOP just go and choose JEB! why would you choose a nominee that doesn´t have as many votes as possible in a country where vote is not mandatory???

It is deep down a democratic election for a representative with no rule of law... sort of.


It's not silly. Not at all. The GOP changed their primary system to be less vote-driven to deliberately stop popular, non-party approved candidates, like Paul, and to favor deep-pocketed organizations with better "ground game."

They just haven't finished the work and, ironically, this election cycle is biting them in the keister.

A political party is under no obligation to select their candidate by popular vote. None.

So, why are folks aghast when they tinker with their own rules to try to get only preferred candidates?

Next cycle, they will likely complete the overhaul to ensure candidates, like Trump and Cruz, never get anywhere close to the nomination.

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2016 10:23 AM  

> He also never quite figured out that Medicare/Social Security is actually one of the few solvent Federal government programs ever created, less the Pentagon and Bankster looting of the funds.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

> Cut the electricity going in to NYC and how long does it last?

Winter time or summertime?

> If Cruz & the R insiders manage to lawyer him into being the presidential candidate of the Corporate Establishment Party

The R insiders don't want either of them. They may be willing to take Cruz over Trump, but not if they can help it.

> Oh Lord, here we go with the ponzi schemes. Then all organized pooling of money is a ponzi scheme.

Social Security requires roughly a 4 to 1 worker to retiree ratio to remain solvent. The retirement is continually growing (though that may not be true in another 20 years when the boomers die off). So you need a continually growing pool of workers. By definition, that's a Ponzi scheme, whether you like the definition or not.

> Everyone keeps focusing on 1237. It isn't 1237. As has been pointed out 1000 times... Trump just needs to get close enough to make a deal.

Specifically, he needs 1090. Kasich currently has 147 delegates. Cruz needs to be working for that VP slot right now, not a couple of weeks down the road.

Blogger bob k. mando April 20, 2016 10:25 AM  

70. Spartacus xxxxx April 20, 2016 9:06 AM
No, it's creepy. You have a good ear. I don't even know what street America is on but it doesn't take a brain spergeon to see through this spectacle.



Cruz has recognized what Obama / Trump did and is trying to emulate them.

unfortunately for Count Tedula, he hasn't managed to hire anybody who can write rhetoric effectively nor does he have an ear for it himself.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 10:28 AM  

"I literally ripped a Trump sign out of my cousin's front yard. He asked why and simply said "because Hitler.""

This is a parody right?

Blogger Anchorman April 20, 2016 10:28 AM  

The train is fine.

Not sure you understand what others are saying here.

I'm like a bystander who saw the train was going to derail, because of the track design and the train's refusal to slow or change direction.

Folks are freaked out after it goes off the track.

My reaction, "What did you expect? It's how the train and tracks were designed?"

Blogger praetorian April 20, 2016 10:29 AM  

Specifically, he needs 1090. Kasich currently has 147 delegates. Cruz needs to be working for that VP slot right now, not a couple of weeks down the road.

Supreme Court Ted.

Kasich as VP to bring home the republican base who can't handle the bantz.

Anonymous DE-173/Code 19/Vox Nox April 20, 2016 10:29 AM  

NY republicans aren't anti immigrant.

"From the WSJ on NY exit polling:

Some 60% of Republican voters said illegal immigrants working in the U.S. should have a chance of earning legal status, while 36% called for deporting them, exit polls showed."

That makes them pro-illegal, pro-invasion and stupid, not pro-immigrant.

Now lets start treating tax evaders like border breakers. We need to bring "undocumented taxpayers" "out of the shadows".

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 10:31 AM  

Hey would Vox be insane enough (yes, we know he is insane enough) to put this Rural Vs Urban on that ASL game he made???

Maybe play with his son!!! It would be awesome.

Blogger Teri April 20, 2016 10:31 AM  

I suspect Trump will make a deal with Kasich and maybe Rubio. He won't choose them for VP, but there's something else they want.

Blogger S1AL April 20, 2016 10:32 AM  

Nobody ever accused Cruz of being charismatic.

Also, it kills me how some morons are dismissing the old west States as irrelevant because "muh immigration". There's a reason this is the brightest red part of the country, and not soaking to immigrants is one of those reasons. Despising the federal government is another.

But you Johnny-come-lately " conservatives " have the same attitude towards us that coastal liberals do. It's cute.

Blogger jay c April 20, 2016 10:32 AM  

Cruz's core constituency are strongly anti-immigration Christians who are desperate to believe there's still hope for the Old Republic. He's an intellectual with the kind of political history that the Christian right has been begging for. His biggest problem is that he's still playing the same political game that every GOP candidate has played for the last 100 years while Trump's anti-game is revealing the process for the fixed game that it has always been.

Trump has far more political weaknesses than Cruz, but he and his followers don't care about the politics, while Cruz and his do.

Cruz can't win because the Old Republic is dead and he's playing the wrong game. If he tried to play Trump's game now, he'd lose most of what remains of his support. He should have gotten down in the mud with Trump 8 months ago. It's too late now.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 10:32 AM  

"Specifically, he needs 1090. Kasich currently has 147 delegates. Cruz needs to be working for that VP slot right now, not a couple of weeks down the road."

yep. something along those lines.

Blogger Teri April 20, 2016 10:33 AM  

Yep, but the guy lives in Florida. I like Steve Solomons Gardenening When it Matters better.

Anonymous #AlwaysCruz #NeverTrump April 20, 2016 10:33 AM  

"This is a parody right?"

No, I really did this. And I will do it again. I am not "talk" like most of you here. I have no hesitations calling out people for voting for Trump in the real world. If you collect social security, you are a mooch and a statist. If you have a union job, you are a mooch and a statist. If you are a policeman or a solider, you are mooch and a statist.

And yes, I have made it known that I will report anyone at my company to HR if they are Trumptards.

At my local GOP party, I will report anyone suspected of Trumpian sympathies to the higher-ups.

Fascism needs to be crushed by all liberty-loving people. If that gets me called a "sperg" then so be it.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 10:34 AM  

"I suspect Trump will make a deal with Kasich and maybe Rubio. He won't choose them for VP, but there's something else they want. "

Personally I think Trump is going to pick Paul Ryan as his VP... which is why Ryan is doing all these wierd campaign style speeches.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 20, 2016 10:36 AM  

I'll add that the whole #nevertrump and #nevercruz business disgusts me. Either would be infinitely preferable to what the Dems have on offer.

And the GOP needs to get over their notion that Hitlary Clinton Is Ten Feet Tall. She's not invincible.

FWIW, I rate the odds of Trump, Cruz, and None Of The Above as about equal. Things will clear after the last of the primaries, when people start working to identify a viable None Of The Above candidate. (Hint - don't bother with a loser from 2016 or 2012)

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 10:36 AM  

"At my local GOP party, I will report anyone suspected of Trumpian sympathies to the higher-ups.

Fascism needs to be crushed by all liberty-loving people. If that gets me called a "sperg" then so be it."

ok... so its a Parody. Awesome.

Blogger praetorian April 20, 2016 10:37 AM  

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Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 10:38 AM  

@138 Eduardo:

It would be harder, but better, to do it as an RTS, where A(lack of)I can be properly implemented.

Turn based strategy games like ASL depend on being entirely controlled by rational thinkers.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 10:38 AM  

"But you Johnny-come-lately " conservatives " have the same attitude towards us that coastal liberals do. It's cute."

That's because a big chunk of Trump's constituency is in fact made up of coastal liberals. That's why you see such an over-lap between Trump and Sanders.

Blogger praetorian April 20, 2016 10:39 AM  

#NeverTakeTheBait

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 20, 2016 10:42 AM  

I'll add that Nate brings up a good point. Trump has to have a Plan B if he can't get 1237 delegates...which will probably involve cutting a deal, most likely with Kasich. Kasich is in the middle of his second term as governor, he'd give his eye teeth for the Vice Presidency.

Blogger Anonymous-9 April 20, 2016 10:42 AM  

Popcorn with extra butter, please. Progressive panel meltdown after Hillary takes New York.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/20/young_turks_panel_meltdown_are_hillary_voters_ignorant_people_you_respect_start_to_sound_like_bush_supporters.html

Anonymous #AlwaysCruz #NeverTrump April 20, 2016 10:43 AM  

Nate - what is parody is Vox Day who has chosen Trumptardism versus reason. Never go full Trumptard.

By the way, this is how real conservatives talk:

"Citing GOP frontrunner Donald Trump’s long history of supporting “ultra-liberal” Democrats, Rafael Cruz, father of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97%
, told Breitbart News Daily SiriusXM host Stephen K. Bannon that as president Donald Trump “would be worse than Hillary Clinton, but he cannot beat Hillary Clinton.”"
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/19/rafael-cruz-donald-trump-would-be-worse-than-hillary-clinton-but-he-cannot-beat-hillary-clinton/

Anonymous 5343 April 20, 2016 10:44 AM  

"And yes, I have made it known that I will report anyone at my company to HR if they are Trumptards."

Hmm. Sounds like there's a certain list you ought to be on ...

Blogger praetorian April 20, 2016 10:44 AM  

That's why you see such an over-lap between Trump and Sanders.

It's true. I view "Bern'en it down" as the second best option: if I can't have a God Emperor, I want an elderly socialist Jew grinding what's left of the republic into dust before shooting it into the sun. Although as I said up thread, it's very funny that Trump is relying on Dixie to win this thing.

Cruz would be funny as shit in his own way. And, really, so would Clinton.

We can't lose this year.

Blogger S1AL April 20, 2016 10:45 AM  

"That's because a big chunk of Trump's constituency is in fact made up of coastal liberals. That's why you see such an over-lap between Trump and Sanders."

Nate, I know that you know this. I'm talking to the answering Trump chumps who think that their sudden bouts of "nationalism" are somehow the most important thing ever.

Blogger praetorian April 20, 2016 10:48 AM  

That's why you see such an over-lap between Trump and Sanders.

It's true. I view "Bern'en it down" as the second best option: if I can't have a God Emperor, I want an elderly socialist Jew grinding what's left of the republic into dust before shooting it into the sun. Although as I said up thread, it's very funny that Trump is relying on Dixie to win this thing.

Cruz would be funny as shit in his own way. And, really, so would Clinton.

We can't lose this year.

Blogger Marty Johnson April 20, 2016 10:49 AM  

I wonder why? It is about the most liberal, godless, socialistic state in the nation. I'm GLAD those idiots voted for Trump. If they voted for Cruz I'd be upset. Now, I am upset that such a liberal state gets so many delegates, because no Republican is ever going to win NY.

Blogger Austin Ballast April 20, 2016 10:49 AM  

@36 Nate,

You are on a site that focuses on rhetoric claiming that rhetoric is childish?

Our whole culture is childish, so being correct is meaningless.

Anonymous Eduardo April 20, 2016 10:51 AM  

@149 kfg

Hmmmm, well you are right! The RTS would be a superior experience.

hehe... rational minds... guess that is why I suck at anything strategy.

Blogger Felix Bellator April 20, 2016 10:53 AM  

"...the way he [Cruz] is attempting to lawyer himself into the nomination..."

Trump needs to use this. Who likes a lawyer?

Trump choosing Jeff Sessions for VP would seal the deal.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2016 10:53 AM  

You are on a site that focuses on rhetoric claiming that rhetoric is childish?

This site doesn't focus on rhetoric

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2016 10:53 AM  

> It is about the most liberal, godless, socialistic state in the nation.

I give that nod to California, with Massachusetts and New York vying for second place.

Blogger Mark April 20, 2016 10:55 AM  

Don't know about anyone else's counting, but from the results, it looks like Trump fell short of 50% in 13 districts. That would cap his delegates at 82, not 94.

Still a huge win, but IIRC 91 was the goal for Trump to be on track for 1,237.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis April 20, 2016 10:55 AM  

Something to keep in mind. Trumps total share of the NY primary vote was 2.7x greater than the total primary vote of 2012 in a state where you had to have been registered since October 2015 to be able to vote in the primary which negates some of Trumps strongest supporters (blue collar democrats and independents). Overall participation in the NY primary was over 4x greater this year than it was in 2012.


Contrast that to the democratic primary. Hillary managed to win less votes in 2016 than she did in 2012 and the democrats attracted less voters this time around than in 2008.

Ladies, Gentlemen and marrow sucking trolls of the ilk, Trump is putting NY into play.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2016 10:55 AM  

ok... so its a Parody. Awesome.

Was there any doubt?

Anonymous The OASF April 20, 2016 10:58 AM  

"That's because a big chunk of Trump's constituency is in fact made up of coastal liberals. That's why you see such an over-lap between Trump and Sanders."

Or perhaps the overlap exists because people under the age of 30 can put spreadsheets together and see that in not so many years they won't be able to even pay for water, electric, and housing much less have anything to save or anything left over to spend (something I said was coming years ago after living in a high cost coastal area - only now are the news articles starting to circulate). To say nothing about the fact that there is a much more probable chance that most of us will lose our jobs/businesses/whatever entirely rather than gaining additional income.

And also to say nothing about the establishment-run government's solution to the problem hanging over all of our heads which curiously consists of, ya know, ordering more FEMA coffins...

These prospects seem to have a funny way of creating overlaps where none should exist.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2016 10:59 AM  

Ladies, Gentlemen and marrow sucking trolls of the ilk, Trump is putting NY into play.

No he's not. Primary turnout is not an indicator of general election turnout.

Blogger Josh April 20, 2016 11:01 AM  

Contrast that to the democratic primary. Hillary managed to win less votes in 2016 than she did in 2012 and the democrats attracted less voters this time around than in 2008.

Clinton received 1,037,344 votes.

Trump received 518,601

Which number is bigger?

Blogger BassmanCO April 20, 2016 11:03 AM  

Fascism.

You keep using that word. Based on your actions, pot meet kettle.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 20, 2016 11:04 AM  

POTATO

Blogger Arthur Isaac April 20, 2016 11:04 AM  

After Cruz's antics out West and on Hannity, no state that has an ACTUAL election is going to go for Cruz. Trump has painted him as a weasel (rightfully so) and he's going to bang on that drum in Indiana and California.

People are mad at the GOPers and that is what Cruz is. Yesterday, Limbaugh fielded a call from a gal that was equally sick of the backroom play and good ole boys network for selecting delegates. The voices and anger are out there and they are focusing on Cruz. Cruz actually tarred himself with that brush, and Trump let him.

Blogger BassmanCO April 20, 2016 11:06 AM  

Fascism.

You keep using that word. Based on your actions, pot meet kettle.

Anonymous BGKB April 20, 2016 11:08 AM  

59.8 Trump 24.7 Kasich 14.4 Cruz

Cruz lost to the guy who wants people to bake gay cakes.

Cuckservative Cruz will never win against Hillary.

Especially if he is too cucked to check if the HillDOG's coin has 2 tails on it. I knew someone that used a 2 headed quarter to assign people to sections they would have to actually do work in.

Seriously. Enjoy them to the fullest.

I bet that Scotty thinks that when Trump starts slapping around Clintons record on the war on women raped by her husband that it will turn away women voters from him.

Hillary needs a good rhetorical kicking. A spergy lawyer quoting lengthy memorised passages from the US Constitution at her isn't going to get the job done.

Cruz "sperg sperg sperg" Trump "I fly on a private jet because its bad luck to get on a plane that has multiple women raped by Bill C. on it."

Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz
Join me now on this journey: http://tedcruz.org It is time for us as a nation to be who we are destined to be


A brown country gringo but via legal crimmigrants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwIRD9HFDE

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 11:12 AM  

"Contrast that to the democratic primary. Hillary managed to win less votes in 2016 than she did in 2012 and the democrats attracted less voters this time around than in 2008."

I will reiterate that she still had twice the votes that Trump did and still owns the cities that own the state. If Hillary is the candidate you only need to count the votes in NYC/Island, Syracuse and Buffalo. Nobody else matters beyond local politics.

I have a lot of experience in my vote not mattering.

If you want to see NY in play for Trump, you want Bernie as the candidate, who beat Hillary in Trump's stronghold.

Otherwise the carpetbagging bitch takes it. Because that's just the way it works here.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis April 20, 2016 11:13 AM  

@170

Don't be intentionally stupid Josh. You know full well that NYs registration rules in regards to the primary makes it very hard independents and crossover democrats from participating. Comparing GOP to Democratic primary numbers is comparing apples and oranges because of it.

What you need to compare is participation rates of this primary to the last real one. The facts are thusly:

GOP Primary participation is up 4x from what it was in 2012. Trumps massive win , getting hundreds of thousands of more votes than entire participants in 2012, is indicative that he is energizing the NY GOP base. Contrast that to Hillary, who has seen her share of voters decline and democratic overall participation remain largely flat.

This is why NY is in play. It doesn't mean that Trump will necessarily win but what it does mean is that Hillary will be on the defensive because she will have to focus resources preventing Trump inroads in previously democratic strong holds. Trump will not have the same issue.

Anonymous Case April 20, 2016 11:16 AM  

Cruz understands that he can't win the general election after gaming the delegate system against a wildly popular frontrunner.

He's just butthurt because Trump called him out for being a liar in national TV and he's doing everything he can to keep the nomination from Trump--even at the expense of handing the White House to the Democrats.

The RNC would rather see Hillary in the White House than Trump also, so they're walking Cruz through the whole delegate strategy process.

I'm sure he's been promised something for doing so.

Basically, Cruz is now an enemy of the rank and file Republicans in America.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis April 20, 2016 11:16 AM  

@176

Syracuse and Buffalo are perfect places for Trump to make inroads considering that they have been hemorrhaging industrial jobs.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 11:18 AM  

"Or perhaps the overlap exists because people under the age of 30 can put spreadsheets together "

Let me stop you right there. These are the fucking people who went 200k into debt for a degree in Gender Studies or African Dance.

They can't use spreadsheets. They can't do basic math. They can't even sign their fucking names. They draw pictures instead because they can't write in cursive.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 20, 2016 11:18 AM  

Ponzi schemes like social security run fine when you had 20 people paying in for everyone taking a pay out. Now we are down to about 5 or fewer people paying in vs those receiving a payout. With the massive numbers of boomers retiring the system will go broke. It is already insolvent.

Blogger Nick S April 20, 2016 11:19 AM  

Nate - what is parody is Vox Day who has chosen Trumptardism versus reason.

Good grief, I hate sticking up for Vox, but there are a few things I'm certain of. Vox supports Trump for strategic reasons; not emotional ones. He may admire Trumps ability to recognize and leverage MPAI principals and use rhetoric in order to manipulate people's emotions with surgeon like precision. That's not the same thing as going full Trumptard like some here.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis April 20, 2016 11:21 AM  

Let's also keep in mind that there are tons of issues plaguing Hillary which Trump will be able to exploit in the general. If Vox were so inclined, I would suggest that he set up an ILK pool where we predict how hard her poll numbers drop because I expect them to drop like a rock when she goes toe to toe with Trump in debates and is found wanting.

Anonymous Vlad Ulyanov April 20, 2016 11:22 AM  

Ahazuerus:
If the American people don't elect Trump they can only elect someone much much worse..

Worse is better!

Anonymous Brick Hardslab April 20, 2016 11:23 AM  

Nate wrote:"I literally ripped a Trump sign out of my cousin's front yard. He asked why and simply said "because Hitler.""

This is a parody right?


It was obvious a couple posts back.

Blogger lowercaseb April 20, 2016 11:23 AM  

Nate wrote:ok... so its a Parody. Awesome.

More like fanfaction... But entertainment is entertainment, I'm not going to turn my nose up at it.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 11:24 AM  

@179:

That didn't work just two years ago when "we" reelected Cuomo (and Cuomo even lost Rochester). It won't work this year. Inroads just aren't enough, the numbers are just too massive.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 20, 2016 11:24 AM  

Just cut off the inflow of malt liquor to the cities and they will all self immolate.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 20, 2016 11:26 AM  

The overlap between Trump and Sanders is because both are the inevitable result of their respective parties giving the finger to protest movements against their establishments six years ago.

The Tea Party and Occupy movements were both protests against their parties bailing out banksters et al. Different viewpoints, but both reacting to a problem so obvious, even the Occupy idiots could sense something wasn't right.

Blogger Arthur Isaac April 20, 2016 11:27 AM  

As far as city dwellers vs. rural folks. The city has several things to its disadvantage: large diverse populations, a lack of food production, and a general lack of understanding either rural terrain or the means of production of that food.

Think Zimbabwe.

I have seen city folks get lost 20 yards past where they can see the nearest road. Their navigation skills tend to suck, and hyperventilating under a tree in the dark forest is not conducive to survival.

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 11:27 AM  

'This is why NY is in play.'

Mate. This is pure grade A delusion.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 11:28 AM  

" . . .even the Occupy idiots could sense something wasn't right."

But God help you if you even suggested to them that they ought to be occupying the Fed.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 April 20, 2016 11:28 AM  

RE: "PA is the maybe the only remaining issue for Trump."
Anecdotally here in Murtha’s old dysfunctional district, the ONLY presidential political signs I am seeing are for Trump. Of the 13 delegates offered to us. 3 are committed to Trump, 3 for Cruz, 6 for whoever wins vote, and 1 undecided. Of course PA’s insanity is concentrated in Allegheny and Philadelphia counties.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis April 20, 2016 11:30 AM  

@186

Well the great thing about this prediction is unlike some others we won't have to wait 20 years to see if it comes to fruition. Sp we will see now wont we?

On a related note, what percentage of the popular vote in NY would Trump have to win (if he is the GOP nom) to make my prediction not "grade A delusion". Keep in mind I didn't say he would win but that he would be competitive.

Anonymous average bob April 20, 2016 11:33 AM  

It qualifies you for the title of "Spergatron."

Blogger Elder Son April 20, 2016 11:36 AM  

@14

Was Cruz ever subject to, and owe any allegiance, to any foreign power? Was any of his parents subject to, and owe any allegiance, to any foreign power? Hence, Cruz is not, and never will be, a natural-born citizen. Ever. Repudiating your citizenship in a foreign power that you, and one, or both your parents, were subject to, and owed allegiance to, does not instant-presto make you suddenly a natural-born citizen. Heck, he was still a Canadian U.S. Senator a year before he decided to run for president.

Blogger Gapeseed April 20, 2016 11:38 AM  

For what it's worth, I voted in yesterday's New York Republican primary. Taking each candidate at their word and ignoring the Goldman connection, I voted for Cruz, along with approximately six of my fellow New Yorkers. He just strikes me as an articulate constitutionalist, which would be quite an improvement over most Republican candidates past and present. Trump's stances seem incoherent by comparison. That said, if Trump is serious about being the nominee and is ultimately shown not to be running interference for Hillary or simply trying to generate publicity for his media projects, I'll pull the lever for him against Hillary in November.

Anonymous Red April 20, 2016 11:41 AM  

>Trump won white rural areas of WI but not suburban whites fleeing the diversity of Milwaukee.

Cruz was helped by hugh number of Clinton cross over voters so much so that she lost the state.

Anonymous kfg April 20, 2016 11:42 AM  

" . . .what percentage of the popular vote in NY would Trump have to win . . .?"

49% of the three cities, and if it's that close he'll have to win the fourth city, which, if not likely, is at least not delusional.

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