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Wednesday, April 20, 2016

Intel and labor mobility

Two points concerning labor mobility.

  •  Intel will lay off 11% of its global workforce, up to 12,000 employees, a painful downsizing aimed at accelerating its shift away from the waning PC market to one more focused on cloud computing and connected devices. In an email to employees, CEO Brian Krzanich said that after the restructuring, "I am confident that we’ll emerge as a more productive company with broader reach and sharper execution." Intel CFO Stacy Smith said that half the workforce reduction, 6,000 people, will be accomplished by the end of this year.
  • Intel Corporation has filed 6147 labor condition applications for H1B visa and 4238 labor certifications for green card from fiscal year 2013 to 2015. Intel was ranked 14 among all visa sponsors. Please note that 602 LCA for H1B Visa and 689 LC for green card have been denied or withdrawn during the same period. Intel had filed 8065 LCA and 3423 LC from fiscal year 2001 to 2010
Interesting how those numbers are so similar, is it not? It would be informative to know how many of the 12,000 are in the USA.

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65 Comments:

Anonymous Peter Blood April 20, 2016 1:04 PM  

AMD: All My Dollars.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 20, 2016 1:05 PM  

H1B visas need to carry a fee high enough to discourage firing Americans to import foreign workers. Say $25K for two years.

Anonymous Elipe April 20, 2016 1:06 PM  

What I really want to see is a new competitor to AMD and Intel. Strictly US only labor, except for offices necessary to handle marketing to foreign nations.

Anonymous Nathan April 20, 2016 1:10 PM  

So, is this the start of a terminal roll to the Left? Just imagine how many jobs could have been saved if that diversity payola to Anita went to payroll instead.

Anonymous روزگا April 20, 2016 1:14 PM  

آپ کے روزگار کے تمام ہم سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں.

Anonymous DE-173/Code 19/Vox Nox April 20, 2016 1:20 PM  

But Intel is big supporter of SSM and diversity; doesn't that make it impossible to ever need to need to reduce your workforce?

Anonymous Dave April 20, 2016 1:20 PM  

Nathan wrote: Just imagine how many jobs could have been saved if that diversity payola to Anita went to payroll instead.

Never happen Nathan, they are committed to expanding and GROWing the diversity and inclusion organization.

Blogger Salt April 20, 2016 1:21 PM  

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Blogger kurt9 April 20, 2016 1:22 PM  

The H1-B program is clearly being abused. It ought to be shutdown. One of the reasons why the H1-B program is bad is that it is being used as an anti-competitive tactic. Its the large companies that benefit most from the H1-B program because they have the political connections to utilize it effectively. Smaller companies have less this capability. I believe this is the reason why the giants Google, Facebook, and others have stayed on top for so long, whereas their predecessors (Myspace, Yahoo, etc.) went by the wayside after 5-10 years. Thus the H1-B program can be viewed as a component of crony capitalism.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 20, 2016 1:23 PM  

Jesse Jackson made a cottage industry out of shaking down corporations over "diversity."

I'd happily see someone begin shaking down corporations for outsourcing US jobs. Sit-ins, picketing, all sorts of attention-getting stuff meant to offset corporate PR and undermine their ad budgets.

Not sure we're ready for it yet, but that day be coming.

OpenID boardroomal April 20, 2016 1:25 PM  

New America! Here we come.

1. Better Labor Margins for Globalist Boardroom Types via Orc Invasions
2. SJW Sensitivity Thought Police for the Babes
3. Free Stuff for the Marxists


What could go wrong?

Blogger tz April 20, 2016 1:28 PM  

They should ban all layoffs for 3 years for any place that has even one H1-B.

Blogger Martin April 20, 2016 1:29 PM  

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Anonymous Determinator April 20, 2016 1:29 PM  

I work for Intel. I'm not particularly worried about my job, but I would welcome an excuse to leave. I have noticed the people around me have gotten darker, and the names less pronouncable, offer the last few years.

Blogger Martin April 20, 2016 1:32 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 20, 2016 1:32 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:H1B visas need to carry a fee high enough to discourage firing Americans to import foreign workers. Say $25K for two years.
Screw that. To get an H1B in, you should have to pay a 50% premium in wages, after all, there's no qualified Americans, right? And double up the payroll taxes. Watch how absolutely needed H1B visas are then.
They get away with it because they lie about prevailing wages, lie about availability of workers, lie about every damn thing they are doing. I used to work with a lady from China, being paid $58k ($29/hr) as a senior software engineer. That was the "prevailing wage" according to the US Govt.Let them lie, but make them pay.

Blogger tz April 20, 2016 1:33 PM  

OT - science, remember how Freon was demonized once DuPont's patents were running out?
Now Statins are being demonized

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd April 20, 2016 1:33 PM  

@2 Napoleon: I'd like to see $ 110k per annum for the life of the visa. H1-B visas should be an expensive, last-ditch last resort, not a way to save money.

OpenID boardroomal April 20, 2016 1:48 PM  

I have experience with the H1B visas in tech scam...everything becomes tributary to Silicon Valley....they go to college here, take a job at a small or medium sized tech firm, get them to sponsor and pay for the H1B, then the moment they can leave they run to Zuky and the Crew who avoid the charges. Its a great scam. Actual citizens make better employees.

Anonymous glenintenn April 20, 2016 1:58 PM  

a friend of mine has worked as a subcontractor to Intel since early 2000s. he has trained his foreign replacements multiple times. He's avoided the chopping block in the subsequent mopping up of high cost local employees but it's a game of Russian roulette as he just narrowly missed a blanket termination under the "position elimination due to restructuring" musical chairs that H1B-laden companies play.

Blogger rumpole5 April 20, 2016 2:04 PM  

No, our jobs and everything else here belong to us. You suffer from delusions of grandeur if you think otherwise. Now that we have discovered our own fracking oil and gas, you can use your oil to grease your camels' asses because we don't want it, nor do we want your greasy selves anywhere near us.

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2016 2:11 PM  

> What I really want to see is a new competitor to AMD and Intel. Strictly US only labor, except for offices necessary to handle marketing to foreign nations.

There's this thing called ARM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_(processor_core)

Blogger Nate April 20, 2016 2:21 PM  

intel has a large manufacturing facility in costa rica. I would expect to see a lot of layoffs there.

Anonymous Dave April 20, 2016 2:27 PM  

I sympathize with Intel on this. When hiring Indians you can skim the cream of their top universities; when hiring Americans you have to get the correct racial balance. And you can't hire only the best whites, because then every white would be smarter than every black, and it would be obvious that the blacks are just decoration.

The alternative to the H1B is for Intel to reincorporate in a country that allows purely merit-based employment and invite its best employees, all white or Asian, to move there.

Blogger Alexandros April 20, 2016 3:02 PM  

@28
I sympathize with Intel on this. When hiring Indians you can skim the cream of their top universities;

Except your average pajeet that we see over here is an idiot who ends up costing the company hundreds of thousands of dollars due to his incompetence.

H1B's aren't just bad for the country, they produce undeniably terrible output.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty April 20, 2016 3:20 PM  

Dave wrote:When hiring Indians you can skim the cream of their top universities

Snicker.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 20, 2016 3:24 PM  

I learned about H1B visa back when I was using my computer and technician skills to drive shuttle buses.

This was back during the Clinton years, a regime that was more than happy to stick it to white guys. This was before the offices were SJW infected and "programmer" could have been viewed as a white dude thing.

So I was glad to vote Republican in 2000 to see an end to this.

And that end never came. That was when I learned something important about the two party duopoly.

Meanwhile, having managed to keep a job in a technical field, but nowhere near my potential, I get to deal with these H1B wonders every damned day.

Here is what I can say:

- their English sucks and just about every time some white guy has to be on the same conference call to re-explain everything they are told.
- they have an extremely difficult time grasping "core concepts". That is, it's a western concept driving the technology at its core (goal and procedure wise) and they don't grasp it without a great deal of hand-holding. (Russian immigrants in tech I have dealt with have the absolute reverse of this problem, grasping thing better then Americans).
- they don't approach anything with an attitude of having "skin in the game". They are just here to make a paycheck that looks like a king's ransom compared to what they would be making back in Calcutta, and will live 10 to a house in the meantime until western civilization collapses and they will be on the last plane out before the aircraft get stripped and used to build Mad Max cars.
- they piss on service: everything is "it don't work fix fix!" and you have to drag things like error codes and diagnostics out of them. Then you have to remind them of their own responsibilities lest you end up having to do everything (though millenials and boomers will screw you like that too if you are not careful).




Individually they are not bad people and frankly who can blame them? If the choice is work some crap job in your home country and marry your sister or work in the USA for a decade and come back practically a king with better marriage and wealth opportunities what would you choose? These people are being exploited more than anything else.

So as usual, it's nationalism versus globalism.


Anonymous Maximo Macaroni April 20, 2016 3:33 PM  

It isn't just companies. A large state revenue department for which
I worked for years has massive amounts of H1B India Indians working in its headquarters financial department, most of whom can't speak comprehensible English. I'm sure thousands of local professionals are out of work as a result. It's probably done on a contract basis with an international employment agency company, but it is pure nonsense.

Anonymous BGKB April 20, 2016 3:37 PM  

H1Bs should be paid at the top 5% of the pay scale that's they only way to keep it from being abused.

OT - science, remember how Freon was demonized once DuPont's patents were running out?
Now Statins are being demonized


I heard plenty of bad things about Satins before the patents ran out.

Anonymous Culture Heretic April 20, 2016 3:43 PM  

This youtube video was linked on a certain forum, it's relevant to this thread, and the comments under the video are worth it alone.

Warning: The following video contains weaponised grade autism, and an immense inferiority psychosis from one of the darker races, you have been warned.

India In 2030

Anonymous BGKB April 20, 2016 3:44 PM  

OT: I know I made jokes about the GayKK before but http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/231932/

" “At Austin Peay University in Tennessee, the campus erupted in outrage when rainbow nooses were discovered hanging from a tree. Social media exploded and every social justice warrior on campus felt the need to express their displeasure. But later, it was discovered that the nooses were an art project by a student looking to draw attention to the high number of suicides in the LGBT community.”

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni April 20, 2016 3:45 PM  

"OT - science, remember how Freon was demonized once DuPont's patents were running out?
Now Statins are being demonized"

How about Freon and chloro-fluoro-carbons? It's not only cars that need to have the style changed every year to sell the newest and latest only. But at least the car companies can't send men with guns to make you buy only the latest and greatest.

Anonymous HalibetLector April 20, 2016 4:02 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> What I really want to see is a new competitor to AMD and Intel. Strictly US only labor, except for offices necessary to handle marketing to foreign nations.

There's this thing called ARM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_(processor_core)


Apples and oranges; ARM doesn't make x86-64 processors and is a British company. There is another competitor to Intel and AMD, the VIA Isaiah, but that's a Taiwanese company. I, too, would like to see an all American x86-64 processor manufacturer.

Blogger YIH April 20, 2016 4:06 PM  

Dirka Dirka Mohammad Jihad:
Wrong language. It's actually:
כל המשרות שלך שייכות לנו

Blogger James Dixon April 20, 2016 4:15 PM  

> Apples and oranges; ARM doesn't make x86-64 processors and is a British company.

The link I provided is about an open hardware standard. It is only 32 bit, but anyone can make it, anywhere in the world.

Anonymous Ain April 20, 2016 4:32 PM  

""I am confident that we’ll emerge as a more productive company with broader reach and sharper execution."

Laid off workers: "We don't care."

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 20, 2016 4:32 PM  

But will they still be able to pay our shake down money to Anita Sarkassian and Jesse Jackson?

When they can't do that, you'll know they are in trouble.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 20, 2016 4:42 PM  

How many more stories like this do people need to be convinced? Surely the conversion rate has hit diminishing marginal returns.

Blogger PW April 20, 2016 5:21 PM  

Vox some data for your upcoming debate:
Labor Mobility and the News

http://www.niemanlab.org/2016/03/the-game-of-concentration-the-internet-is-pushing-the-american-news-business-to-new-york-and-the-coasts/

Blogger Kona Commuter April 20, 2016 5:26 PM  

@ #2 "H1B visas need to carry a fee high enough to discourage firing Americans to import foreign workers. Say $25K for two years"

In Australia we suffer from a similar issue. Ours is called 457 visas. Those visa's are supposed to be used for roles companies have trouble finding qualified Aussies for. In practice though they're used for hairdressers and the like.

IMHO I'd like to see them carry a 100% tariff based on the average Australian wage with the min payable to the employee 150% of the average Australian wage. All of a sudden industry will start considering training as an investment again

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 20, 2016 5:33 PM  

Determinator:
I work for Intel. I'm not particularly worried about my job, but I would welcome an excuse to leave. I have noticed the people around me have gotten darker, and the names less pronouncable, offer the last few years.

…and the office decor has gone from modern to Punjabi Baroque, namaste?

Anonymous TLM April 20, 2016 5:36 PM  

With the exception of the really fat ones, all the Hindu HB1 fags I see look like the How Can She Slap dude.

Blogger Chiva April 20, 2016 5:40 PM  

Where I work, a large corporation in Silicon Valley, we had Indian food for Saint Patrick's Day.

I love diversity
/s

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 20, 2016 5:52 PM  

tz wrote:They should ban all layoffs for 3 years for any place that has even one H1-B.



I'm sure a tariff would suffice.

Anonymous jon April 20, 2016 6:06 PM  

Where do you get the info on the H1B Visas? Is there a government website that compiles all of this?

Anonymous Type 5 April 20, 2016 7:09 PM  

I like the idea of a drastic reduction in the number of visas and then do a cap & trade on it.

Anonymous Dave April 20, 2016 7:12 PM  

"H1B's aren't just bad for the country, they produce undeniably terrible output."

They're still arguably better than your average American affirmative-action quota-hire. Or would you care to explain to the EEOC why only six of your thirty programmers, all white men, have commit privileges?

Blogger Eric April 20, 2016 7:31 PM  

H1B visas need to carry a fee high enough to discourage firing Americans to import foreign workers. Say $25K for two years.

The best idea I've seen to fix the H-1B program is to require employers to bit on slots by salary. The number of slots should be adjusted every year such that the lowest salary puts the recipient's income in the top 5% (about $205k at present).

Supporters of the H-1B program say they need to hire the best people the world over to stay competitive, and this scheme would accommodate that need. But the days of firing your American-born employees and replacing them with hey-it's-a-warm-body Indian contractors would be over.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 20, 2016 7:41 PM  

Dave wrote:"H1B's aren't just bad for the country, they produce undeniably terrible output."

They're still arguably better than your average American affirmative-action quota-hire. Or would you care to explain to the EEOC why only six of your thirty programmers, all white men, have commit privileges?


What are the chances someone at the EEOC even knows what that means? Serious question.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 20, 2016 7:42 PM  

jon wrote:Where do you get the info on the H1B Visas? Is there a government website that compiles all of this?

If there is/were, I wouldn't trust it.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau April 20, 2016 7:51 PM  

The SJW'S in HR made a big deal about Diwali holiday. The Sepoys just ignored them.

The thing most fun about the H1B's is when you have to mediate between the Telugu speaking Sepoy engineer and the Tagalog speaking Pinoy on the helpdesk to figure out why no one can connect to the server.

Blogger Timothy MEEHAN April 20, 2016 7:57 PM  

@3 Ben Garrison Semiconductors of Montana will hopefully be a thing.

Anonymous Dave April 20, 2016 8:06 PM  

"What are the chances someone at the EEOC even knows what that means?"

One of your quota hires thinks she's really a programmer and tries to check in some crappy code. It's rejected, you keep stalling on fixing this "problem", she complains to the EEOC, and your goose is cooked.

Blogger Timothy MEEHAN April 20, 2016 8:08 PM  

@43 Years ago reading Simon Travaglia's BOFH series I noticed that the pub food mentioned was mostly butter chicken and curries, rather than bangers and mash.

Blogger Mike Romkey April 20, 2016 8:40 PM  

Always follow the money.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 20, 2016 9:48 PM  

@34
Yep.

Blogger Robert What? April 20, 2016 9:53 PM  

I'm confused. Cloud computers are still computers and need chips, right? They aren't real ... like ... clouds, right?

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 20, 2016 10:02 PM  

No. They are literal clouds.

The kind you see in the sky on a gorgeous day...

...in India.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 21, 2016 3:38 AM  

Dave wrote:"What are the chances someone at the EEOC even knows what that means?"

One of your quota hires thinks she's really a programmer and tries to check in some crappy code. It's rejected, you keep stalling on fixing this "problem", she complains to the EEOC, and your goose is cooked.


Makes sense, thanks.

Blogger Akulkis April 21, 2016 6:10 AM  

Easily solved... you just give the EEOC hires their own private commit server, that doesn't actually forward anything to the actual commit server. Actual commit server propagats changes to fake commit server, but not vice-versa.

Blogger James Dixon April 21, 2016 9:33 AM  

> Years ago reading Simon Travaglia's BOFH series I noticed that the pub food mentioned was mostly butter chicken and curries, rather than bangers and mash.

That's a side effect of so many Brits spending years in India when they controlled India, not Indian immigration.

Anonymous FirstThink April 21, 2016 9:48 AM  

VD

The main idea is weak. Just because the numbers are the same doesn't mean they're doing the same thing or have the same skill set.
A lot of the layoffs might have been HB1s. You don't know.

@2
Most companies hiring H1Bs would love that proposal. Some pay nearly that much in fees and costs (recruiting, legal etc)

@9
You straightforwardly refuse to see what actually happened. Did you ever use MySpace? Do you use Yahoo? On your own theory, those companies would have retained "superior" US tech know how.
If what you say is true, that is an argument for bringing in more tech labor if it turns a MySpace into a Facebook.

@14
Can they spell the word "over"?

@16
So 1.5 x 68 would be the fee?
If you instituted that and removed the cap you would get a lot more H1Bs, not less.

@19
That's because those companies pay more! Of course you would go there if you had the mobility. Duh.
But this undercuts the thesis that these are low skilled workers.

@22
1. Arm is british
2. It does well because its used in mobile
3. Intel messed up on the chance to dominate mobile

@25
So why can't the companies see this?
Why do they continue to work and end up as CEOs of Microsoft and Google?

@33
Exactly!

@35
You missed his point. (Although I am sure you'll claim he missed yours.)


Anonymous Bukulu April 21, 2016 6:01 PM  

No, I'd prefer to be in crowd witnessing the bulldozing if the last remaining EEOC office.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 21, 2016 9:00 PM  

Well now you know how the Planet of the Apes happened. They fired the White guys who grew up fixing cars and making shit and gave the jobs to the Stone Agers who were too dumb to live in caves. Which way will you go? Will you choose between the Alien Overlords, and say don't blame me I voted for Kodos the executioner? Will you embrace the sweet cold death of divers-kitty and see General Ursus riding roughshod over you?
Join the Mobile Infantry. Get citizenship. BUGS need killin'. We need good men willing to fight? Do you want these apes to live forever?

Blogger Randy April 25, 2016 10:10 PM  

@45 - sources are:
visa numbers - http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Intel/267260.htm

It looks like it may be the Chandelr AZ plant closing - http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/blog/techflash/2016/04/intel-employees-expected-to-know-monday-of.html

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