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Tuesday, April 19, 2016

Interview with The Right Stuff

The Death Panel are joined by special guest Vox Day.Topics include free trade vs. protectionism, The Dissolution of the US, Trump.

    0:00 Intro- Vox Interview
    1:30 Free Trade/Protectionism
    44:45 The US Breakup
    1:25:00 Sad Puppies/Rabid Puppies
    1:47:25 The SJW List

I was impressed with how well these guys know their economics. It was also interesting to see how they clearly understood the difference between the various European nationalisms and white nationalism.

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62 Comments:

Blogger Kona Commuter April 19, 2016 5:13 AM  

First

Blogger Gifford Pinchot April 19, 2016 5:34 AM  

Great to see my two favorite alt-right sites interact! It could only get better if Greg Johnson joined in.

I'll be looking forward to listening to this once I finish my study.

P.S
Vox, have you read any of Jack Donovan's books, have you read his newest one "Becoming A Barbarian"?

Blogger VD April 19, 2016 5:38 AM  

No, I don't know who Jack Donovan is.

Anonymous kfg April 19, 2016 6:13 AM  

@VD: "No, I don't know who Jack Donovan is."

You probably should.

Blogger John S April 19, 2016 6:22 AM  

Oooosh, shit... Alright!

Blogger SciVo April 19, 2016 6:49 AM  

On World War Z and Israel: I heard an interview on NPR with (IIRC) the son of Mel Brooks, who wrote the book that the movie was based on, and also an earlier zombie survival guide. They asked if the survival guide was a joke and he said no, he wrote it to work through his fears. So basically the author was a neurotic Eskimo.

Blogger SciVo April 19, 2016 6:50 AM  

I mean, Mel Brooks' son wrote it.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 19, 2016 7:09 AM  

OT: reviewed link of SJW's, outstanding coverage and archiving.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 19, 2016 7:55 AM  

Excellent. Thanks for this.

Blogger Gaiseric April 19, 2016 8:05 AM  

I'm getting a time-out on the link. If I go directly to their site, they seem to show #80 as the most recent.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 19, 2016 8:10 AM  

@10

go here:

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/e/d/b/edb5a97811daf3fa/TRS081.mp3?c_id=11505560&expiration=1461068858&hwt=4c5c61d5e97816ab5c74a83dc277d259

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty April 19, 2016 8:13 AM  

Jack Donovan is the quintessential alt-righter: a homosexual presuming to lecture straights on masculinity.

Blogger Salt April 19, 2016 8:30 AM  

That's a great discussion, and unfortunately one that liberals could not comprehend.

Anonymous 3booksanon April 19, 2016 8:36 AM  

Jack Donovan is the quintessential alt-righter: a homosexual presuming to lecture straights on masculinity.

I have read his "the way of men" and it was one of the weakest books I have read on the current situation we are in. His ideas are a lot more pro-group-of-men/ anti-family/ anti-pair-bonding than what a heterosexual would write. There are quite a few subsections of his books where he basically reduces women to objects which can be stolen, used and raped to foster a new civilization built by men. The whole Rome story for example. The book has a very cold, very MGTOW touch of things.

I read "the way of the superior man" right after it and it exemplified the contrast. The way this book talks about women and femininity is drastically different, while still maintaining a strong case for masculinity and the man as the leader. Another book in a similar direction is "The Power of Now" - but in this one we still have the "women are wonderful" aspect full in effect aside similar spiritual ideas which are in the way of the superior man.

Blogger WrenchTurner April 19, 2016 9:04 AM  

Great the 2 sites i read most in one show.

Blogger WrenchTurner April 19, 2016 9:05 AM  

The show usually posts the newest episode around 9:30 am

OpenID mickoneverything April 19, 2016 9:09 AM  

The starting point for Donovan is a short essay:

http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2011/03/violence-is-golden/

Anonymous Seventh Son April 19, 2016 9:21 AM  

VOX! I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming on our show, as I'm a long time fan of yours. It was a pleasure talking to you.

Our server can't seem to handle the load when we publish fresh episodes lately, so anyone who is interested, please follow the direct download link:

http://traffic.libsyn.com/therightstuffbiz/TRS081.mp3

Thanks again!

Blogger Ahazuerus April 19, 2016 9:25 AM  

Really good interview. Lots of fun and interesting dialogue.

Blogger praetorian April 19, 2016 9:52 AM  

Donovan is a faggot

The alt-iest alt-right has a iron-pill boner for this guy. I guess reading evola while PR'ing a dead lift while taking it in the ass while taking a selfie while meditating on the meaning of violence appeals to some of the kids these days.

Not useful for building a civilization, but in a world of decontextualized existence, even a bit of truth can make up for a lot of hemorrhoids, intellectual or otherwise.

Blogger praetorian April 19, 2016 9:56 AM  

Seventh Son, thanks to you and all the TRSwaggots for The Shoah.

Don't agree with everything you faggots say, but when you are funny, you are really, really funny.

Richard Spencer...

Blogger Josh April 19, 2016 9:59 AM  

Wait these right stuff dot biz guys are also faggots?

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown April 19, 2016 10:07 AM  

@14 And here you are highlighting one of Jack's main points; any discussion about men and masculinity quickly devolves into a discussion about what women want from men.

"The Way of Men" is important because Donovan is able to easily and succinctly define masculinity according to the three tactical virtues (strength, courage, mastery) without dumbing it down to levels of "personhood" or "adulthood". He doesn't pontificate about women or femininity because that's not the focus of the book.

Yes, shortly after I read "The Way of Men", I learned that Donovan is a homosexual and it bothered me. After thinking it over, I still couldn't poke any holes in his assertions, and came to the conclusion that no man who was concerned with impressing, persuading or sleeping with women could have written that book.

If by "the current situation we are in", you mean that Western society is living under the rule of the feminine imperative, then you should really read "No Man's Land", which is available as a free Kindle/PDF download on Donovan's website. Here he attacks feminists and their enablers directly.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown April 19, 2016 10:11 AM  

Seventh Son, I can't wait to hear this episode of the Shoah. You hilarious goys just kill me.

Anonymous 3booksanon April 19, 2016 10:17 AM  

He doesn't pontificate about women or femininity because that's not the focus of the book.
My point was: He DOES.

any discussion about men and masculinity quickly devolves into a discussion about what women want from men.
What is missing is what men want from women. And that is not in Donovan's equation. Likely cause he doesn't want from them what heterosexual men want. Especially what men concerned about traditionalism and civilization want from women. I'm not talking about PUA and game here. If you define masculinity completely outside of the huge aspect of procreating, being a father and finding a suitable mother - how are you supposed to end up with something useful? Going back to the podcast. It's like discussing economy and ignoring the differences between ethnicity.

Anonymous Roundtine April 19, 2016 10:23 AM  

Wait these right stuff dot biz guys are also faggots?

Everyone on the alt-right is a faggot with a jewdick in their butt and an anime waifu.

Blogger Josh April 19, 2016 10:33 AM  

Everyone on the alt-right is a faggot with a jewdick in their butt and an anime waifu.

Thread. Winner.

Blogger praetorian April 19, 2016 10:35 AM  

Wait these right stuff dot biz guys are also faggots?

It's the risk you take when you are OP for the alt-right.

Blogger Josh April 19, 2016 10:40 AM  

The Gay is over 9000:

Launched in December of 2012, we are a political and cultural blog with four major goals:

Reinvigorating dialogue among a disparate and edgy right-wing.
Severely rustling jimmies among the childish and regressive left-wing.
Putting cuckservatives in the cuck shed where they can watch us with their civilization.
Using the therapeutic power of LARPing to help tens of thousands of young men manage their autism.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 19, 2016 10:46 AM  

The Gay is over 9000:

And you haven't even learned of The Standard Foam Party.

Blogger Nate April 19, 2016 10:51 AM  

No one involved in any kind of LARPing has ever had sex with a woman.



Anonymous kfg April 19, 2016 11:00 AM  

I suppose it should be pointed out that Donovan is a homosexual androphile who hates faggots.

He's a sort of mirror twin of Milo, and although he doesn't have the media presence that Milo does, he is influential, and that is why VD should know about him.

Blogger Student in Blue April 19, 2016 11:03 AM  

And here we have Nate and Josh missing the tongue-in-cheek aspect of said quote.

Blogger Josh April 19, 2016 11:09 AM  

I suppose it should be pointed out that Donovan is a homosexual androphile who hates faggots.

That whole sentence is advanced faggotry

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty April 19, 2016 11:16 AM  

praetorian wrote:The alt-iest alt-right has a iron-pill boner for this guy. I guess reading evola while PR'ing a dead lift while taking it in the ass while taking a selfie while meditating on the meaning of violence appeals to some of the kids these days.

loled.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty April 19, 2016 11:19 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:And here we have Nate and Josh missing the tongue-in-cheek aspect of said quote.

Surprise.

Blogger praetorian April 19, 2016 11:21 AM  

Southroners not understanding self-deprecating yankee humor: The Thread.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty April 19, 2016 11:28 AM  

They're totally capable of understanding facetious humor; it's that they're too excited to have found potential prey to look before leaping.

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade April 19, 2016 11:35 AM  

Vox on the Daily Shoah...anti-semitism jimmies rustled in 3...2....1....

Blogger Were-Puppy April 19, 2016 12:39 PM  

Listening now -

Blogger praetorian April 19, 2016 12:57 PM  

The contrast between Vox and Enoch/Ghoul is breddy meta-funny.

Blogger Old Ez April 19, 2016 1:37 PM  

All of these Alt Right forces coming together is exciting. Speaking from personal experience, the TRS "pool parties" are a resounding success. I've attended 4 in my city so far and each one has more people than the last. We're all going on a #HATEHIKE this weekend.

Blogger Old Ez April 19, 2016 1:38 PM  

I just realized "the TRS...." contains a redundancy. Please excuse.

Anonymous kfg April 19, 2016 2:31 PM  

@43:

You'll need to enter your PIN number to process that.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown April 19, 2016 2:40 PM  

@25 "My point was: He DOES."
Is there another example you're thinking of besides the founding of Rome? Yeah, you can't continue a civilization without women, but that hardly qualifies and defining women, much less pontificating on femininity.

"What is missing is what men want from women. And that is not in Donovan's equation.
"The Way of Men" is an in depth 100-level study of masculinity in and of itself. It has nothing to do with game, relationships or courtship in general. If you can't articulate what manhood is and why it has inherent value, you might a well be a "gender is a social construct"-spouting SJW. Women, marriage and fatherhood are all outside the scope of the book, and thus 200-level stuff.

While we're at it, hundreds of books, articles and blogs have been written about marriage, relationships and what women want from men. Jack Donovan writes one short book about masculinity from the perspective of men, and all of a sudden he "reduces women to objects which can be stolen, used and raped". What sort of entry-ist tripe are you trying to pull here?

Once again, according to trad-con white knights, there can be no. male. space. ever. Even when discussing masculinity.

"If you define masculinity completely outside of the huge aspect of procreating, being a father and finding a suitable mother - how are you supposed to end up with something useful?"
Did you even read the book? One of the core concepts is that there's a difference between being a good man and being good at being a man. Sure, the Western Civilizational ideal is to be both. However, society's OCD-like focus on the former at the utter expense of the latter for the past 50+ years is exactly why everything from the sexual market place to the role of women in the military is so incredibly screwed up.

Blogger Josh April 19, 2016 2:43 PM  

Speaking from personal experience, the TRS "pool parties" are a resounding success. I've attended 4 in my city so far and each one has more people than the last.

Did you see Marco Rubio at any of them?

Anonymous kfg April 19, 2016 3:52 PM  

What is missing is what men want from women. And that is not in Donovan's equation.

There's no crying in baseball.

Anonymous 3booksanon April 19, 2016 4:52 PM  

Gunnar, am I attack one of your heroes here or why are you that defensive?

Women, marriage and fatherhood are all outside the scope of the book, and thus 200-level stuff.
Even in the very book we are talking about Donovan mentions Bonobo and Chimpanzee 'societies' and how courtship works in them.

What sort of entry-ist tripe are you trying to pull here?

Once again, according to trad-con white knights, there can be no. male. space. ever. Even when discussing masculinity.

Trying to rhetoric my point away won't do shit. I'm incredibly used to people reacting emotional and throwing a hissy-fit.

Calm down tiger, Donovan won't sleep with you if you white knight for him on some message board.

Blogger Hostem Populi April 19, 2016 5:20 PM  

I read "The Way of Men," not knowing anything about Donovan's sexuality, and would still have no idea except that other people keep bringing it up.

Blogger Hostem Populi April 19, 2016 5:20 PM  

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Blogger praetorian April 19, 2016 6:30 PM  

That's great. What'd you think of it, Hostem?

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty April 19, 2016 6:38 PM  

Hostem Populi wrote:I read "The Way of Men," not knowing anything about Donovan's sexuality, and would still have no idea except that other people keep bringing it up.

That's not something to brag about.

Blogger praetorian April 19, 2016 7:21 PM  

Finally got through the vox section of the podcast. It was awesome, especially Vox walking everyone through using rhetoric v. dialectic responses to SJW attacks.

The Autiste is epic this week as well: the philosopher NEET considers the labor theory of value. Josh & Nate, if you don't listen to anything else, at least hit that section up at around 2:02.

Thanks again to TRS and especially Seventh Son.

Blogger Hostem Populi April 19, 2016 7:51 PM  

@51 The big idea I got out of it, praetorian, was a modification of Hobbes' state of nature. I think Donovan got it right essentially, that the default government of mankind is a gang.

Blogger Josh April 19, 2016 8:27 PM  

I think Donovan got it right essentially, that the default government of mankind is a gang.

Thus saith the Vox:

To paraphrase the great English philosophers, gay men lurking in cellars distributing fluids is no basis for a civilization.

Blogger Michael Maier April 19, 2016 9:29 PM  

Is it just me or is this place getting weird?

Anonymous BigRed April 20, 2016 2:09 AM  

So, to echo Mike Enoch, does a white goy who isn't an expat American Indian (VD), a gay homosexual (Milo), a latino (Correia), a latina (Hoyt), or a miscegenist (Torgerson), have any rhetorical standing?

Blogger Hostem Populi April 20, 2016 7:05 AM  

@Josh The train is fine.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown April 20, 2016 8:44 AM  

@ 3booksanon,

Gunnar, am I attack one of your heroes here or why are you that defensive?
I'm still trying to figure out how you read "The Way of Men" and walked away with those conclusions?

Even in the very book we are talking about Donovan mentions Bonobo and Chimpanzee 'societies' and how courtship works in them.
The entire point of that chapter was to compare and contrast Bonobo matriarchy with Chimpanzee patriarchy, and extrapolate a few concepts to present day America. Donovan's conclusion was that matriarchy (aka the "Bonobo Masturbation Society") has nothing useful or meaningful to offer men. I may be way off base here, but your earlier posts mentioned "traditionalism and civilization". If you are, in fact, in favor of those things, how can you take issue with Donovan's points about matriarchal societies?

Calm down tiger, Donovan won't sleep with you if you white knight for him on some message board.
And now who's being defensive and rhetorical?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 20, 2016 9:03 AM  

@57

This is what Enoch was not understanding.

It isn't about your rhetorical status, it is about their rhetorical status. Hit them where you can rhetorically. Don't use the dialectic on them, it is of no value.

Blogger praetorian April 20, 2016 1:10 PM  

The train is fine.

But the train of steriod-abusing homosexuals might not be the most sound source for your worldview.

Fam, if you didn't make it to "The Dad Pill" segment of the Shoah, you missed out. SeventhSon, if you read this shit: fucking awesome. Dadcore respect, muhfuh.

Blogger VD April 20, 2016 9:13 PM  

So, to echo Mike Enoch, does a white goy who isn't an expat American Indian (VD), a gay homosexual (Milo), a latino (Correia), a latina (Hoyt), or a miscegenist (Torgerson), have any rhetorical standing?

There is no such thing as "rhetorical standing". There is no information content in rhetoric. Some of you guys really need to learn to stop trying to opine, or criticize, in obvious ignorance. You're not impressing anyone, you're just looking snarky and stupid.

And you're 2400 years out of date.

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