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Friday, April 22, 2016

Jerry Pournelle on Donald Trump

A take on Trump that is entirely more interesting than my own on the man:
Trump is probably the least qualified candidate who ran for the Republican nomination this year. If you didn’t know that, you’d have to be a hermit to avoid finding it out. He also has far more delegates than any other candidate. I would think that would send a clear message to the Republican elite, particularly the country club establishment; but like the Bourbon kings of France restored after the Revolution, they have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.

Wouldn’t I want a more qualified, somewhat more experienced candidate? Well, of course. But the establishment wasn’t about to let anyone not within its ranks to get anywhere close to the nomination. In 1956 the goal was “anyone but Reagan” among the Republican elite. Now it’s anybody but Trump. Before Trump they made it clear to all: it’s going to be one of us, like it or lump it. We can deal with upstarts.

But they didn’t intimidate Trump, and now he’s laid all of their compliant candidates low, and they’re turning to an old enemy, Cruz, in despair. The notion is that he’ll “grow” in office; it’s for sure that Trump won’t grow under their definition of grow.

But in fact he’s likely to. He has some good advisors and he has a definite point of view that may be hard to discern because it’s masked by his blatant – loudmouthed and irritating, if you like – tactics. But he has never wavered on his desire to fill the Supreme Court with Justices as near in scholarship and view to Scalia as possible; that alone would be enough to get me to the polls for Trump if he’s nominated.

He has consistently said we need to turn control of the schools to the local districts and stop dictating to them from Washington. This has been taken as meaning that he doesn’t know what to do on a nation al scale. Well, I have news: neither does anyone else, and the attempt, even with the best of will, will always fail. The schools worked better, over all, when they were paid for by local school district taxes and run by local school boards elected by the people who paid those taxes. If you don’t believe that, get a copy of the California Sixth Grade Reader from a hundred years ago and compare it to your child’s present day ninth grade reader. Then weep.

No, he’s not a “movement conservative”, but I’m not sure I still am, and I was a protégé of Russell Kirk and Stefan Possony, and a friend of Bill Buckley and Willmore Kendall. I’ve been in that “movement” a long time. Long enough to see National Review use the egregious Frum to read most of us out of the movement.

Trump is not a movement conservative, but his inclination is to set goals and get people working on them, not to jail and fine them for not doing so. He understands that being served by mindless minions is not the path to glory or wealth. Compared to Hillary or Sanders or anyone in Obama’s train, I’ll take Trump any day. I would prefer someone with government experience – some, not one whose only experience is in government – but we seem to be fresh out of those. I suppose I’d rather have establishment country club Republicans than anyone likely to be nominated by the Democratic establishment even if a plague took all the present candidates; we tried that with Bush I, who cleared the White House of Reagan people the day after inauguration, and proceeded to saddle us with the Americans With Disabilities act and a new Federal bureaucracy; but that’s another story.

Trump is a pragmatic populist. I can live with that.
Considering the manifold failures of what we've been told are principled ideology, pragmatic populism is sounding pretty good right now. Whatever gets the borders closed and starts the respections. Say what you will about Dr. Pournelle, but he's not only smart, he has accumulated a fair bit of wisdom along the way.

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Anonymous MAGA April 22, 2016 2:44 PM  

Let's que up the Nate & Josh gobbledegoop of strung together words that mean nothing to try and refute this post. And then notice they don't even have an alternative candidate to offer in place of Trump. They only have words.

I used to enjoy Nate's opinions, but he's allowed the hatred of everybody from yankee land to obliterate any notion of common sense rationale. It's truly sad.

Anonymous Broken Arrow April 22, 2016 2:49 PM  

One of the fallouts of this primary season is that 17 candidates ended up at seriously in the fray. Of the 14 who are gone, how many even have political careers anymore, then how many could feasibly make another attempt at the nomination in four or eight years? Not very many.

An entire class, maybe even a generation of GOP hopefuls, have been taken out. Besides the immediate threat of Trump the establishment has to look at a fractured field of candidates who have been rejected.

Blogger James Dixon April 22, 2016 2:50 PM  

> And then notice they don't even have an alternative candidate to offer in place of Trump.

Oh, I'm sure Nate has alternative candidates. Just not for that office. As for Josh, he supported Rand Paul, and probably still would if he were running.

Blogger Krul April 22, 2016 2:51 PM  

Broken Arrow wrote:An entire class, maybe even a generation of GOP hopefuls, have been taken out. Besides the immediate threat of Trump the establishment has to look at a fractured field of candidates who have been rejected.

Maybe other business bigwigs could throw their hats into the ring.

Koch 2020

Blogger Dexter April 22, 2016 2:57 PM  

In 1956 the goal was “anyone but Reagan” among the Republican elite.

1976 not 1956.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts April 22, 2016 2:59 PM  

Anyone But Cucks.

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 22, 2016 3:01 PM  

I would say the sunlight is bad for Cucks as it is for the SJW they are both maggoty creatures best suited to the dark. What authority they have is quickly whittled away once they open their mouths and then someone puts them in their place - think gammas.

Reagan allowed the maggots in and they worked in the dark and with the help of idiots such as the personal manager for the admin who would not place Reagan appointees in jobs, his name was Devine perhaps Jerry knows the name

Blogger Salt April 22, 2016 3:04 PM  

Trump is up for a makeover.

Best election evah!

Anonymous johnc April 22, 2016 3:07 PM  

The problem with "pragmatic populism" is that the American people are drooling idiots and submit quickly to the narrative of the day, which is fashioned by evil forces.

That's how in the span of less than 12 months you can have Americans going from, "Of course the girls bathroom is for girls" to "not allowing anybody and everybody into the girls bathroom is an extremist and intolerable view!!!"

Trump is one of those people who positions his image to allow people to fill in the gaps with whatever beliefs they want. That's how the author is able to say, with a straight face, that Trump has "never wavered" and "been consistent" on anything, despite all the evidence to the contrary. We've never had a candidate who has been all over the map to the extent Trump has.

(And before anyone says anything, no, I don't like Cruz. I don't like any of them. It's all kabuki theatre and they're all working together on the same scam.)

Blogger James Dixon April 22, 2016 3:08 PM  

> Why do people like pournelle who have such little knowledge of governing think they should attempt to comment on the subject?

Do you enjoy sounding like an idiot when you post? Perhaps you should review his history before making comments in the future.

Anonymous tublecane April 22, 2016 3:11 PM  

I think most people realize conservatism is for losers. Otherwise, why would they always lose? The movement will die, but I don't know when, because they can still haunt people with the specter of the Inner Party and "extremists." I predict either they'll change without changing the brand name, as they already did when neoconservatives took over, or they'll be a new nominal ideology for the Outer Party.

New blood may even be rotated in to run the Outer. I don't know; it'st's possible. I do know the ruling ideology won't change, because they're winners. And defeating them has nothing to do with parties, nor democratic politics in general.

Anonymous CruzCrew7 April 22, 2016 3:12 PM  

The only choice is Cruz versus liberals.

If you, Pournelle, and other want to go liberal Trumptard, so be it.

You will be purged soon enough.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis April 22, 2016 3:14 PM  

Anyone the GOP and Democrats are willing to seriously put forward from their ranks will almost certainly continue the status quo. Trump might actually try to change it and at this point he certainly will have no love loss for the cabal in charge. It makes the choice rather simple.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis April 22, 2016 3:17 PM  

@11

I don't know how you can ironically make that statement considering who is the front runner for the democrats. No one on this earth is as shifty, or whose stances are as transitory, as Hillary.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 22, 2016 3:24 PM  

Cruz can't beat liberal Trump. How the hell is gonna beat liberal Hillary? He can't fuck all the ladies into submission. He got teary over a mere five!

Blogger Eric April 22, 2016 3:28 PM  

That has to be the most tepid endorsement I've ever seen.

This election sucks.

Blogger Josh April 22, 2016 3:30 PM  

As for Josh, he supported Rand Paul, and probably still would if he were running.

Correct

Blogger Student in Blue April 22, 2016 3:31 PM  

@11 johnc

Trump is one of those people who positions his image to allow people to fill in the gaps with whatever beliefs they want. That's how the author is able to say, with a straight face, that Trump has "never wavered" and "been consistent" on anything, despite all the evidence to the contrary. We've never had a candidate who has been all over the map to the extent Trump has.


WOOP WOOP LIAR ALERT

This gentleman is equivocating consistency on certain aspects with consistency in everything.

So being consistent on the specific subjects that Dr. Pournelle brought up is now according to this joker, "Whoa there you're totally saying he's consistent on everything!"

Also Pournelle did not say "been consistent", he said "has consistently".

Blogger CarpeOro April 22, 2016 3:32 PM  

CruzCrew7 wrote:The only choice is Cruz versus liberals.

If you, Pournelle, and other want to go liberal Trumptard, so be it.

You will be purged soon enough.


Your kind of slow, aren't you? Most of us were purged or left of the GOP of our own free will some time ago.

Anonymous NOMAD April 22, 2016 3:33 PM  

Hah! Curious to see what if anything Rand Simberg says about Jerry's comments above. Simberg has been on a extreme anti-Trump kick lately.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 22, 2016 3:33 PM  

Broken Arrow wrote:One of the fallouts of this primary season is that 17 candidates ended up at seriously in the fray. Of the 14 who are gone, how many even have political careers anymore, then how many could feasibly make another attempt at the nomination in four or eight years? Not very many.

An entire class, maybe even a generation of GOP hopefuls, have been taken out. Besides the immediate threat of Trump the establishment has to look at a fractured field of candidates who have been rejected.

I disagree. If anything, we've flushed out the second tier candidates, making room for a new generation. Governor Scott of Florida. If he manages reelection, Governor Hogan of Maryland. I don't count Rubio out (however much he's disliked).

Blogger Josh April 22, 2016 3:36 PM  

I used to enjoy Nate's opinions, but he's allowed the hatred of everybody from yankee land to obliterate any notion of common sense rationale. It's truly sad.

What's wrong with hating Yankees?

Blogger CarpeOro April 22, 2016 3:38 PM  

I seem to recall a more positive rating of Bush I by Dr. Pournelle years ago as opposed to Reagan. Perhaps I misread his x-y axis chart of political leanings. Or maybe I just disagreed with the assessment. It has been a few decades after all.

Anonymous krymneth April 22, 2016 3:41 PM  

@CruzCrew7: Sounds like he's already self-purged. You only get to purge someone once. Ask our host how that can go.

Besides, if conservatism is purging from its current position, it's already "purged" itself pretty small.

That's not really the question though. Bucketing people into "liberal" and "conservative" is part of how the establishment works. Your establishment job, if you are in the "conservative" bucket, is to reflexively vote for the bought-and-owned candidate that through various processes decides to claim to be "conservative" during the election, who magically transforms into something between "completely ineffective" to "actively liberal" in office. "He's not actually conservative!" is your Establishment-assigned response to Trump. Then you go on to vote for someone approved by the Establishment, who promptly self-castrates. (Or reveals themselves to have been castrated all along. Whichever view point you prefer.)

Analyzing Trump in terms of conservative vs. liberal means you're just playing the establishment game. Trump is the only option we have for upsetting the entire apple cart. And given how your Establishment-assigned role is to vote for someone who will go on to be totally ineffective, you need to think a bit more tactically. Trump may not be your dream conservative candidate, but a Trump presidency is your only chance to have an option for a non-sham conservative in 2020 or 2024. (Or 2028, or 2032, or 2036... you get the idea here.)

On the Establishment-approved "policy checklist", where your assigned task is to go down the list checking off which policies you'd like your candidate to claim to support before he becomes an ineffectual, flaccid Establishment figurehead, and where you are maneuvered into a position of not considering any of the other attributes of a candidate, Trump may not be the best choice. But, again, playing the Establishment-approved patsy game is a loser move. Voting Trump isn't really about the policy checklist at all. It's about not playing the Establishment's game.

Blogger Tim April 22, 2016 3:44 PM  

I too can live with Trump. Certainly not my first choice, but if he gets to 1237 he will get my vote in the general election. He is a thousand times better than Bernie or Hillary.
Not my first choice by a long shot. He supports legal abortion by judicial fiat, where I insist it is a matter for state legislatures, and am willing to fight for the lives of the unborn there. He supports people with penises being allowed by judicial fiat into the restroom with my 10 year old granddaughters, but so do Hill and Bern. I guess I will just have to police that myself.
But I am getting pissed at both the never Cruz and the never Trump people. I do not consider either camp to be considering the good of the country. If you really think Hillary or Bernie is better than Cruz or Trump, you are as bad as those in 2012 who figured Obama was no worse than Romney.....and see where that has gotten us.
I fear Trump has no clear idea of the US as a Republic of 50 states with limited enumerated Federal powers....which I see as the only way to avoid dissolution of the Union into at least 4 if not 6 to 8 fractious regional powers, but at least he will not accelerate the process as Bernie or Hillary would do.

Blogger James Dixon April 22, 2016 3:47 PM  

> You will be purged soon enough.

I was purged over 20 years ago, sonny.

> There is no evidence in Jerry's essay that he has any experience, let alone the ability to assess the qualities of a candidate or party.

"...and I was a protégé of Russell Kirk and Stefan Possony, and a friend of Bill Buckley and Willmore Kendall. I’ve been in that “movement” a long time. Long enough to see National Review use the egregious Frum to read most of us out of the movement."

And that's just his exposure to the conservative movement, not actual political or public policy work, which I see you're to lazy to research on your own.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 22, 2016 3:47 PM  

Yup. Trump has been consistently populist for his career. That means he is going to piss off the vocal five percent who are Lifetards (like me) and the queer 2 percent of Choicewhores. Because abortion doesn't affect or matter to 99% of voters, including the "common sense" populist. Virtue signalling about abortion is out.

That is what people don't get:

Trump has two principles that he thinks are good for America: a wall and trade (really one thing really. Free movement of labor being trade...), which involves not pissing on the World to put out imaginary fires.

Everything else is going to go the way of the people: a moving target.

Blogger Giraffe April 22, 2016 3:47 PM  

Cogitans Iuvenis wrote:I don't know how you can ironically make that statement considering who is the front runner for the democrats. No one on this earth is as shifty, or whose stances are as transitory, as Hillary.

What has Hillary flip flopped on? You can find Donald Trump on both sides of almost every issue.

Blogger rumpole5 April 22, 2016 3:48 PM  

Have you ever seen Gov Scott Fla. talk?
I voted for him and like his governance, but he is just too weird looking and sounding for national office. Try Jindal or Walker.

Blogger James Dixon April 22, 2016 3:49 PM  

> He supports legal abortion by judicial fiat,...

But not that the type of judges he's talking about appointing won't.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat April 22, 2016 3:49 PM  

@18: There is no evidence in Jerry's essay that he has any experience, let alone the ability to assess the qualities of a candidate or party.

If you aren't aware of Mr. Pournelle's qualifications on the matter, you aren't tall enough for this ride. Go back to the kiddy pool.

I can't agree with Mr. Pournelle completely, because Bernie Sanders has been even more consistent than Donald Trump. Excluding a bit of wavering over gun control, he's pretty much the exact same hard-left Socialist he's been his entire life. He has no honest clue that he would happily march the US off the financial cliff Disney-lemming style, cursing the bankers and the 1% the entire time.

That's why my #2 choice for President is Bernie. I have no doubt where he would taking the USS Titanic, and how bad it'll get before the boilers explode. At least Donald's screaming "Iceberg!", even if his inclination is to ram the thing(*). The rest of the crew either wants to suggest Caribbean wear or are working to steal from the passengers' luggage.

(*) Of course the real Titanic should have been dodging icebergs, but there was something to be said for hitting it. The last computer model I saw demonstrated that the Titanic's frame could take the load of a head-on impact, while the glancing blow sheered rivet heads all across the one side, allowing water in.

Blogger kurt9 April 22, 2016 3:50 PM  

I agree 100% with Purnelle about Trump. I also happen to think that Trump will actually be a reasonably good president. The GOP establishment people need to have their heads handed to them.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 22, 2016 3:53 PM  

You kids need to remember that Dr. Pournelle has been involved in conservative politics since the 1960s.

The issue has been that the GOPe, most notably the National Review crowd, has been trying to marginalize anyone who disagrees with them for several decades. They can't handle disagreement very well. Some of the commenters here behave the same way.

Pournelle is particularly furious about David Frum claiming that anyone not supportive of the Iraq campaign in 2003 was Not A Real Conservative. Pournelle opposed it from the start, and was properly insulted when some twit half his age tried to read him out of the conservative movement.

I'll be voting for Cruz in the primaries, I think he's more reliable politically and more electable. But if Trump is the nominee, I'll back him 100%.

Anonymous Quartermaster April 22, 2016 3:59 PM  

@18
It would behoove you to do some research on Jerry Pournelle. Before you do that, shut up and quit making a fool of yourself.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 22, 2016 4:00 PM  

Josh wrote:What's wrong with hating Yankees?
It's not like he's hating his countrymen.

Blogger James Dixon April 22, 2016 4:00 PM  

> I'll be voting for Cruz in the primaries, I think he's more reliable politically and more electable.

I don't think he's more electable. I think Trumps appeal to independents and the Reagan Democrats outweighs any advantage Cruz may have among the rank and file. Add in the fact that I don't consider him eligible, and I can't support him in the primary. I'm still waiting to see if there's a Libertarian primary ballot in my state or not though. If there is, I won't be voting for any of them, since I'm a registered Libertarian.

Blogger praetorian April 22, 2016 4:04 PM  

This election sucks.

for you...

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 22, 2016 4:15 PM  

Inconsistently nationalist is superior to consistently socialist or globalist.

Anonymous johnc April 22, 2016 4:20 PM  

@23 This gentleman is equivocating consistency on certain aspects with consistency in everything.

That's not what I said. I said that it is amazing anyone could consider Trump as being consistent on any single thing, considering his biggest weakness in this campaign alone is that he's been all over the map. We're not even talking about positions from 20 years ago. We're talking about him saying X and then his campaign denying it 15 minutes later via Twitter. And Trump supporters don't want to see this as playing both sides. It's amazing to me.

So being consistent on the specific subjects that Dr. Pournelle brought up is now according to this joker

He brought up two "consistencies" of Trump and he was wrong on both. Trump has certainly not "said consistently" that education should be local. Just recently he has said that one of the top THREE functions of the federal government is education. So one day he says we need to get rid of Common Core and return education to local, the next day he's saying education is one of the primary roles for the federal government.

This is the perfect example of what I'm talking about here. He says, "the sky is blue" and "the sky is not blue", and Trump supporters only hear the statement they want to hear, and ignore the other, or brush it off.

And regarding Trump "never wavering" on SC justices... he's said that he thought his sister -- who is a kook -- would make a great SC justice. No, I don't think he would nominate her, but this isn't an area he's been consistent on either.

Anonymous johnc April 22, 2016 4:28 PM  

It's not like he's hating his countrymen.

It's not like the South has produced any winners for president or Congress in modern times either.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 22, 2016 4:31 PM  

@johnc
If you want someone who only makes tightly scripted focus-grouped carefully-nuanced statements, you want yet another GOP cuck. No-one besides "movement conservatives" is interested, and even many of them have given up on the GOP.
Trump talks off-script, off the top of his head ALL THE TIME. Yes he sometimes contradicts himself. So what? That's not necessarily changing his position.
The point is, he deliberates before he acts, but not before h talks.

Blogger Nate April 22, 2016 4:34 PM  

That's a great piece from Pournelle. Not that we should expect anything less.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 22, 2016 4:34 PM  

@28 CarpeOro:

I seem to recall a more positive rating of Bush I by Dr. Pournelle years ago as opposed to Reagan. Perhaps I misread his x-y axis chart of political leanings. Or maybe I just disagreed with the assessment. It has been a few decades after all.

More like completely misunderstood its purpose. It's only designed to uniquely map everyone somewhere on it; what positive or negative ratings you then ascribe are completely independent of it, but it helps to, for example, completely separate Communists, full marks for their one, Scientific version of history, and Nazis, with their Führerprinzip, the "rationality" axis, while both worship the state, the other axis.

An example he used in presenting it in one the anthologies he edited, probably one of the There Will Be Government AKA Republic and Empire. This was the subject of his PolySci Ph.D. thesis, by the way.

Blogger Nate April 22, 2016 4:38 PM  

I'm genuinely curious Maga... given that Pournelle is actually saying the same things about Trump's regime that I have been predicting... which is that it really won't be that much different than any other american regime... why exactly would you expect me to attempt to refute it?

Trump is an indictment on the establishment. But that doesn't mean when he gets in office he will government like radical or crazy man.

The man is a professional. I expect he will govern as a professional. he will surround himself with smart people and listen to their advice and then make decisions.

Blogger James Higham April 22, 2016 4:39 PM  

Yep. Will you guys please take your Obama back from the UK, he's not wanted. Is there some way to terminate his commission early?

Anonymous LurkingPuppy April 22, 2016 4:52 PM  

Semi-OT: Someone recorded Trump's new campaign manager Paul Manafort saying that Trump speaks differently in private discussions of politics and policy than he does in public to a crowd. (And the recording was leaked to the press, and Trump's enemies are making a big deal out of it.) Folks here should recognize that as Vox's ‘bi-discoursality’: speaking dialectic where dialectic is possible, and speaking rhetoric where rhetoric is required.

Too bad the political/pundit class doesn't have those terms in its vocabulary.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty April 22, 2016 4:53 PM  

Tad, you are not welcome here. Please stop commenting.

Blogger Ceasar April 22, 2016 4:53 PM  

"Trump is probably the least qualified candidate who ran for the Republican nomination this year." This very well be the dumbest assessment of the 2016 GOP primary I have seen yet. POTUS is first and foremost Commander in Chief. Remove all the other candidates who have never been Governor or top executive in a large company. Now you may use that argument without being laughed at.

Blogger Timmy3 April 22, 2016 4:58 PM  

Saying Trump is not a movement conservative is not saying anything at all. He is Harry Reid 20 years ago. He is the Democrat of yesterday. Cruz is a movement conservative and that's the person Trump attacked. I have no idea who Trump will nominate to the Supreme Court especially with a Democratic Party that can filibuster any candidate and a Republican Party too willing to back down. If Bush was unwilling to get a hardline conservative candidate, how will Trump do better? Bush was nominally conservative. Trump is a liberal populist. I'm not even sure Trump will fulfill any of his promises. Goodbye Wall.

Anonymous maczmo April 22, 2016 4:58 PM  

People keep referring to the preferability of experienced politicians. The average approval rating for congress since 2010 is about 15%. If that's what experienced politicians bring us then give me someone outside the establishment.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 22, 2016 5:02 PM  

I'm genuinely curious Maga... given that Pournelle is actually saying the same things about Trump's regime that I have been predicting... which is that it really won't be that much different than any other american regime... why exactly would you expect me to attempt to refute it?

Trump is an indictment on the establishment. But that doesn't mean when he gets in office he will government like radical or crazy man.

The man is a professional. I expect he will govern as a professional. he will surround himself with smart people and listen to their advice and then make decisions.


Nate

1) I expect him to be at least somewhat consistent with how he's campaigning, because of his vanity and wanting to keep the regard of the American people (as VD has pointed out).

2) He already makes the SJWs and GOPe cucks throw temper tantrums. He will most likely make them continue to tear their hair out if he's elected.

3) He at least gives the impression of being on the right side on immigration, free trade, and foreign intervention. Cruz may say he is, but since he has the GOPe cucks all on his side, I'm certain that it's simple window dressing for the guns-'n-abortion crowd and that he is fully intending to carry out the GOPe agenda once he's elected. Unlike Trump, Cruz is keeping his campaign going via the GOPe machine, not the American voter, and that's where his loyalty will necessarily lie.

Anonymous Dave April 22, 2016 5:03 PM  

Thanks Bosoms

Blogger Rantor April 22, 2016 5:07 PM  

Jerry is a great man, people who dis him are ignorant, it is that simple. Met him 30+ years ago and will never forget him.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 April 22, 2016 5:08 PM  

Besides the immediate threat of Trump the establishment has to look at a fractured field of candidates who have been rejected.

Plenty of options in 2020

Paul Ryan
Scott Walker
Ted Cruz
Rick Scott
Rand Paul
Marco Rubio
Rick Snyder
Larry Hogan

And from the diversity field you have
Nicki Haley
Susana Martinez
Brian Sandoval

and of course you can never rule out any governor of Texas Greg Abbott

Blogger Student in Blue April 22, 2016 5:15 PM  

@johnc
That's not what I said. I said that it is amazing anyone could consider Trump as being consistent on any single thing, considering his biggest weakness in this campaign alone is that he's been all over the map.

Hm.

That's how the author is able to say, with a straight face, that Trump has "never wavered" and "been consistent" on anything, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

That's a possible reading of what you wrote, I'll grant. It requires a belief that Trump has literally changed position on every single position he's held, every thing he's said, or every thing he's done.

Or is it hyperbole? In which case there are indeed some things that he did not change position on - what was your evidence that what Dr. Pournelle was talking about were things he flipped on?

You gave witness of one of them (but no link, shame) but failed to mention the other. What's the other thing Dr. Pournelle was wrong on?

It's far more logical to read what you wrote and make the guess you were equivocating.

Anonymous Dave April 22, 2016 5:16 PM  

One of the definitions of a politician is: "One who seeks personal or partisan gain, often by scheming and maneuvering."

So does anyone believe Trump is inexperienced at scheming and maneuvering?

Anonymous Faceless April 22, 2016 5:22 PM  

LurkingPuppy wrote:Semi-OT: Someone recorded Trump's new campaign manager Paul Manafort saying that Trump speaks differently in private discussions of politics and policy than he does in public to a crowd. (And the recording was leaked to the press, and Trump's enemies are making a big deal out of it.) Folks here should recognize that as Vox's ‘bi-discoursality’: speaking dialectic where dialectic is possible, and speaking rhetoric where rhetoric is required.

Too bad the political/pundit class doesn't have those terms in its vocabulary.


Next you're going to tell me that, when he's addressing a crowd to get them whipped up to vote for him, he's going to use different language than when he's trying to write a persuasive essay think piece for the chattering class that claims to be all about the seasoned discourse.

The littlest Chickenhawk said that the Flesch scores were different, and, thereby, Trump couldn't have possibly written that essay, because everyone writes formal essays with the exact same language and diction that they speak to a group of people of widely varying degrees of education - especially somebody trained back when there was such a thing as the appropriateness of certain structures and words for written vs. spoken English, right?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 5:25 PM  

" Amazing how many intruths "
Idiot.
"You will be purged soon enough."
To wreck you and your "Party" will be a delight. You can thank us when we are done, cucksuckin' Cruztzard.

"What's wrong with hating Yankees?"
Nothing.
"It's not like the South has produced any winners for president or Congress in modern times either."
Jeff Sessions-winner. A true class act.
Chuck U Schumer - a fuck up of the first degree.
I'll be here all evening, lines are open.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 22, 2016 5:27 PM  

cruzcrew7

If you, Pournelle, and other want to go liberal Trumptard, so be it.
You will be purged soon enough.


You can’t purge me from the Republican party, because that party left me long ago. Now, if you are thinking of a “purge” like your Uncle Joe Stalin…bring it on, boy.

Blogger Lew Rand April 22, 2016 5:29 PM  

@37 : Assuming the ship was the Titanic and not the Olympic, sunk for insurance reasons.

I also agree with the Cruz elect ability. He's not going to bring in very many people outside the core that has lost two winnable elections in a row, and how many he's lost due to various cuck positions trying to torch Trump (me included).

Maybe people are tired of being noble losers when the stakes keep getting higher.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 22, 2016 5:33 PM  

Where the corpse of the GOP is, the Cruzzards shall gather.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 22, 2016 5:33 PM  

James Higam

Will you guys please take your Obama back from the UK,…

Er, he’s on perpetual loan to the Ministry of Redundant Redundancy so we’re rather hoping you’ll keep him. Perhaps you could pair him with Tony Blair in some extremely important enterprise to the Middle East that would take a lot of time to complete?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 22, 2016 5:38 PM  

There are two things missing from Pournelle’s essay. First, the utility of someone, anyone, in modern life who can shove the Overton window in the opposite direction. This is yugely important and a serious matter.

Second is the sheer, pure amusement that Trump provides: the SJW’s, cuckservatives, & all the rest of the flotsam and jetsam of the modern world have fits on a regular basis anytime Trump says something obviously true in the real world.

Trump 2016 4 teh LOLZ!

Anonymous DE-173/Code 19/Vox Nox April 22, 2016 5:41 PM  

I'm not necessarily a "Trump Guy", and it doesn't matter if I am or not, being in Pennsylvania, but the qualifications for President are to be a native born citizen and have attained the age of 35 years old.

There are no other qualifications, so you are either qualified or not qualified. It's binary, not an unbounded analog scalar.

In terms of being "prepared" for the office, Trump blows away Cinders, and Shrillary.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 5:42 PM  

"Will you guys please take your Obama back from the UK,…"
Send him to Kenya where he belongs.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados April 22, 2016 5:51 PM  

Well, first off, Trump IS a lot more qualified to run for office, on top of him knowing who to hire to get shit done. That's why the Uniparty fear him.

Second, it's been very clear for month snow that Cruz has ALWAYS been part of the Establishment, as controlled opposition or whatever. All the Super-PACs are behind him now even though he keeps begging for donations from regular people. His numbers are crashing as people get to know him more because they see he's a disingenuous little toad. Cruz is a fraud, and Trump has done a very good job of baiting Cruz to further expose that.

Anonymous Steve April 22, 2016 5:52 PM  

The littlest Chickenhawk said that the Flesch scores were different, and, thereby, Trump couldn't have possibly written that essay,

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I get the sense that the attacks on Trump are becoming more feeble as he closes in on the nomination.

The earlier campaign attacks were more potentially damaging:

* Racist!
* Misogynist!
* Bully!
* Inciter of violence!
* Con-man!
* Hitler!

Stuff that would normally kill a political career stone dead.

None of that stuck though, albeit things looked a bit dicey for Trump when the Michelle Fields and abortion thing briefly seemed like they might resurrect the "War on Women" meme against him.

Recent attacks have been weak. Irrelevant nonsense about which bathroom trannies take a shit in (because that's the stuff Presidents need to take a stand on, amirite?) and fake outrage at the idea of a man communicating in different ways depending on the audience and setting. Because Hillary and Ted are so natural and plainspoken.

Their better material has failed and the recent Trumpstumping attempts now seems phoned-in, as if his enemies have subconsciously conceded that he's going to be the nominee.

Anonymous johnc April 22, 2016 6:04 PM  

@56 You gave witness of one of them (but no link, shame) but failed to mention the other. What's the other thing Dr. Pournelle was wrong on?

I responded to both examples of what Dr. Pournelle claimed Trump has been consistent on (local education and SC justices). I didn't feel the need to provide links since anybody who has been following this campaign even tangentially knows that they're facts.

Is there anybody here that doesn't know Trump said that the federal government has a major role to play in education? Or that his nutjob sister would make a great SC justice? I'm surprised that Dr. Pournelle was not aware of those statements.

@59 Jeff Sessions-winner. A true class act.

Ok, I'll give that to you. You managed to find one barely-tolerable statesman from the South. All the rest are losers just like the Yankees. The South will have the White House again when Hitlery wins in November.

Anonymous MAGA April 22, 2016 6:05 PM  

Josh, I hate Yankees too but he's the best we have this go around and I love how the GOPe is petrified he will do half of what he says he will.

Nate - "The man is a professional. I expect he will govern as a professional. he will surround himself with smart people and listen to their advice and then make decisions."

Then why can't we just leave it at that and let this play out?

Anonymous Andrew E. April 22, 2016 6:06 PM  

Some here have not yet mastered Trump-speak. Trump was once asked about his sister as a SCOTUS justice and, not surprisingly, Trump said some nice things about his sister. Imagine that! Trump saying some nice things about his sister while it was blindingly obvious the entire time that he was never seriously going to consider nominating her if he became POTUS.

Likewise, some moron in a townhall asked Trump some stupid question about the top 3 priorities of the federal government like this townhall was some high school quiz show. Trump recognized the question for the idiocy that it was and gave a very good and correct initial answer: security, security, security. Then, looking past to stupidity of the question and the questioner, graciously offered two more to be nice: health care and education (whatever popped into his head because it doesn't matter one iota). As it happens though, there is important work that must be done at the federal level to restore function and sanity to the health care and education in the US. Even if that important work is to pass and sign laws removing or reducing the federal role in such.

See, Trump-speak is really not that hard to parse.

Blogger Cicatrizatic April 22, 2016 6:07 PM  

Fox News California poll released today has Trump 49% Cruz 22% Kasich 20%

Reuters national poll has Trump 49%, Cruz 28%

Another CA poll released today has Trump leading in all regions, suggesting he will likely win the vast majority of the delegates there; CA apportions delegates by Congressional district.

Blogger tublecane April 22, 2016 6:10 PM  

@63-I prefer the Ministry of Redundancy Ministry.

Anonymous cheddarman April 22, 2016 6:12 PM  

"Then why can't we just leave it at that and let this play out?"

Because playing with your fool Yankee head is much more fun!

Blogger tublecane April 22, 2016 6:13 PM  

@63-I prefer the Ministry of Redundancy Ministry.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 22, 2016 6:15 PM  

Well, first off, Trump IS a lot more qualified to run for office, on top of him knowing who to hire to get shit done

Hiring is easy. Firing, now, that’s something Trump can do.

A hypothetical Trump Presidency should run Cabinet meetings on live TV, like The Apprentice. How much would you pay to see some DC apparatchik get called on the carpet for a screwup like that yuge mine-dump leak into the river in Colorado, then to be told:

You’re Fired!

Ratings gold! CSPAN-3! Trump 4 teh LOLZ!

Anonymous A Redundant Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 22, 2016 6:17 PM  

@73 and @75

I see what you did there.

Anonymous troublecane April 22, 2016 6:20 PM  

@63-I prefer the Ministry of Redundancy Ministry.

Anonymous troublecane April 22, 2016 6:21 PM  

@63-I prefer the Ministry of Redundancy Ministry.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein April 22, 2016 6:22 PM  

tublecane wrote:@63-I prefer the Ministry of Redundancy Ministry.

The Dept. of Redundancy Bureau warns of the danger of divulging your PIN number for your ATM machine in PDF files on your LAN network. Especially if you suffer from RAS syndrome

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 22, 2016 6:24 PM  

Timmy3 wrote:If Bush was unwilling to get a hardline conservative candidate, how will Trump do better? Bush was nominally conservative.
Bush was/is as "severely conservative" as my Labor Democrat sister. Less conservative, actually, because she's genuinely anti-abortion and anti-war.

Bush never was a conservative, but he played one to get elected. He was unwilling to nominate a genuinely conservative member to the SC because he was a liberal and didn't want a conservative justice.

Andrew E. wrote:See, Trump-speak is really not that hard to parse.
Millions of poorly-educated but honest Americans seem to have no trouble understanding him. Why do so many well-educated Cruzlims seem to misunderstand? It couldn't be intentional, could it?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein April 22, 2016 6:26 PM  

johnc wrote:@56 You gave witness of one of them (but no link, shame) but failed to mention the other. What's the other thing Dr. Pournelle was wrong on?

I responded to both examples of what Dr. Pournelle claimed Trump has been consistent on (local education and SC justices). I didn't feel the need to provide links since anybody who has been following this campaign even tangentially knows that they're facts.

Is there anybody here that doesn't know Trump said that the federal government has a major role to play in education? Or that his nutjob sister would make a great SC justice? I'm surprised that Dr. Pournelle was not aware of those statements.

@59 The South will have the White House again when Hitlery wins in November.




She. Doesn't. Count.

Anonymous BGKB April 22, 2016 6:27 PM  

Eric This election sucks.

Your really going to hate it when you cant go down to the home depot for a $20 wetback BJ.

shifty, or whose stances are as transitory, as Hillary.

We don't know much about Bern In Hell other than he got kicked out of a hippie commune for shirking his fair share of work, and paid less % in taxes that Mitt. Well he did say we don't need 27 flavors of deodorant, while people in Africa are hungry.

Cruz has ALWAYS been part of the Establishment, as controlled opposition or whatever. All the Super-PACs are behind him now

He will go to the matt for unwinnable positions but on things that could be run he does a full retreat.

Blogger Sam Lively April 22, 2016 6:33 PM  

@72

That and the new Indy polls showing a healthy 7 point lead suggest that this is snowballing at last.

If Cruz loses Indy, I think he might drop out, even after putting a lot of time into Cali.

Blogger lowercaseb April 22, 2016 6:37 PM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:" Amazing how many intruths "

Idiot.

"You will be purged soon enough."

To wreck you and your "Party" will be a delight. You can thank us when we are done, cucksuckin' Cruztzard.


Please don't heckle the comedians between the stripper acts. They are trying the best they can.

Blogger Tim April 22, 2016 6:39 PM  

As far as Jerry Pournelle's credentials, he has the dreaded Poly Sci degree....along with enough operations research and general history background to make him knowledgeable about where historical trends have led in the past, and is intelligent enough to see the similarities to where we are today. As far as his 4 axis chart, I remember and read when he wrote it, his contention was that Bush I was more centrist than Reagan and he was comfortable AT THE TIME with that. So was I. Comfortable with that. It was BEFORE he lied to everyone about taxes and before he showed that he was all about increasing Federal overreach. Until Trump (or Cruz) show that they are lying (IF they do) about limiting Federal power then we have to hope they will and vote for one of them....because both Hillary and Bernie will lead to more and more control from Washington, and less and less freedom....and the breakup we all hope won't happen.

Blogger lowercaseb April 22, 2016 6:40 PM  

CruzCrew7 wrote:The only choice is Cruz versus liberals.

If you, Pournelle, and other want to go liberal Trumptard, so be it.

You will be purged soon enough.


Tell me more two-fisted tales of ripping people's campaign signs out of their lawns. Your stories are fascinating!

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 22, 2016 6:48 PM  

They payout for Trump POTUS is down from +400 to +325.

Winning.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 6:50 PM  

69. johnc
THERE are several more than just Jeff Sessions, He just came to mind first.Bcause he's just that damn good. With yankees, a good politician is as rare as a queer bull. Just look 'em up, and get back with me on that.
OH btw, Hillbitch is a yankee,do your homework, dude.

Blogger Teri April 22, 2016 6:53 PM  

Paul Ryan is not that popular nationwide. He couldn't deliver Wisconsin to Romney. Rubio couldn't win Florida. Cruz has high unfavorability and is a regional candidate. Same with Scott Walker. There is a reason why some of these folks dropped out early this run. You have a few folks on there I don't recognize. Nikki Haley is another establishment disappointment, caved quickly on the Confederate flag issue. I have heard Susanna Martinez speak but she's basically establishment too.

People are looking for candidates that care about what happens to them. Any candidate that is busy looking out for the Chamber of Commerce will have hard sledding.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 22, 2016 6:56 PM  

BTW, +325 is still decent value. Once The Donald and Hillary go head-to-head, it will likely drop to +200 at least.

Blogger JimR April 22, 2016 6:59 PM  

This is interesting, the latest fox sponsored poll in california. Phrased one of the questions like this.

If Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are the two major party presidential candidates in November, would you:

Be satisfied with voting for one or the other,
Seriously consider voting for a third party candidate,
Or just not cast a vote for president at all? (Don’t know)

Seems like they carefully *didn't* as who the respondents would vote for.

Some real downer numbers for Cruz in that poll btw.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/04/22/fox-news-poll-california-presidential-primaries/

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 22, 2016 7:01 PM  

<a href="http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_771db279-34d6-5a3d-9557-a417a8afb212.html”> VA. Gov. McAuwful restores voting rights for 200,000 felons</a>. I’m sure this has nothing to do with the upcoming election. It’s just a coincidence. And there’s no way it could help Hillary! Rodan, nuh-uh.

Blogger Elder Son April 22, 2016 7:01 PM  

There will be no poli-gabbing 4 years from now. All this poli-gabbing this cycle will be saved and used for the next cycle of poli-gabbing. Only the candidates names will change. Other than that, the poli-gabbing will remain unchanged.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 22, 2016 7:05 PM  

@80 TontoBubbaGoldstein:

@59 The South will have the White House again when Hitlery wins in November.

She. Doesn't. Count.


She's from Chicago, born there, raised in a suburb 15 miles away from the downtown according to Wikipedia. Her Southern affiliation was only temporary, in the period where the best thing she could do was be Bill's carpetbagger wife, you notice she's not exactly returned to Arkansas to retire or anything, nor did she run for Senator in the state.

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2016 7:06 PM  

@17
"That has to be the most tepid endorsement I've ever seen.
"

It has the advantage of being truthful and honest.

Blogger Eric April 22, 2016 7:08 PM  

Cruz has high unfavorability and is a regional candidate.

Wait, what? You're talking unfavorables without mentioning the 900 pound orange gorilla? There are large demographics who hate Trump with a passion. You can't wave that away and at the same time try to ding Cruz for his (lower) unfavorables.

Blogger Eric April 22, 2016 7:10 PM  

She's from Chicago, born there, raised in a suburb 15 miles away from the downtown according to Wikipedia.

Yeah, Hillary is no Southerner. For all the time she spent in Arkansas she can't even fake the accent credibly.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 7:11 PM  

"Please don't heckle the comedians between the stripper acts. They are trying the best they can."
I know , but when the got a kick me sign on their backs your foot just wants to plant it square in their asses.
THANX MUCH FOR TEH FUNNEH.

Anonymous johnc April 22, 2016 7:14 PM  

Wait, what? You're talking unfavorables without mentioning the 900 pound orange gorilla? There are large demographics who hate Trump with a passion. You can't wave that away and at the same time try to ding Cruz for his (lower) unfavorables.

Trump supporters can do anything they want, because Trump lives outside the reality zone.

I do think that Cruz has zero shot of winning in November though... unless Hillary has more health or legal troubles.

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2016 7:15 PM  

@23 Josh

"What's wrong with hating Yankees?"

In general, nothing (and I'm from Michigan!). But in Nate's case, when he would rather lose with Cruz than to win with someone who could actually start to turn things around, based solely on the man's lifetime in (the admitted hellhole) of NYC, without looking at the big picture... well, that's intellectually stunted, and just plain pathetic.

I inititally didn't like Trump, but by September, I came to realize that the ONLY hope of preventing nationwide neighborhood vs. neighborhood bloodshed is for Trump to take office. And that still might not do it, but I can guarantee that Tedddy-bears-for-illegals Cruz, if elected, will not pursue the demographics problem, and thus, civil war, Rwanda-style, will be guaranteed.

Get rid of the illegal hispanics, and the Indi/Pak H1Bs running around and all of the sharia-lovers, and the BLM types won't feel "empowered" any more, and will slink back to whatever holes they crawl up from.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 7:25 PM  

88. Teri
Anybody that can lose a debate to that moron Biden ain't cut out for prime time.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 7:29 PM  

88. Teri
And don't get me started on Nimrata Haley, that caving uncultured bitch.

Anonymous JRL April 22, 2016 7:37 PM  

I'll be voting for Cruz in the primaries, I think he's more reliable politically and more electable.

People look at Cruz and see a weasel. It's an instinctive reaction and Cruz can't overcome it.

They may not like what Trump says, but he has a big enough personality that he can win people over.





Blogger Nate April 22, 2016 7:41 PM  

"
In general, nothing (and I'm from Michigan!). But in Nate's case, when he would rather lose with Cruz than to win with someone who could actually start to turn things around, based solely on the man's lifetime in (the admitted hellhole) of NYC, without looking at the big picture... well, that's intellectually stunted, and just plain pathetic."

Where do you get this idea that I am a Cruz supporter? The fact that I do not support Trump does not mean that I support Cruz.

In many ways I think Cruz is better than Trump. That however doesn't mean I would ever dream of voting for the man. The primary issue here is that sometimes people will offer false attacks on Cruz... and I will point out that they are false. Again.. that doesn't make me a cruz supporter. That makes me someone who happens to prefer accuracy and facts to falsehoods.

I also have this issue with consistency. and shooting holes in people's arguments is fun. I can come up with all kinds of reasons to shoot holes in both Pro-Cruz and Pro-Trump positions.

That shouldn't bother you. sparring with me should just be making you better able to defend your positions when the real enemy shows up.

Regardless though... I am not a cruz person. I can objectively admire his campaign in terms of organization without liking him personally. I can compliment his strategy and tactics without liking him personally.

Maybe that's the problem with you guys. You're taking this shit way to personally.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 22, 2016 7:46 PM  

I have to laugh when someone claims that Trump is not qualified. Compared to who? Motel Six Boosh? Guvner of Florida! Hah! Florida isn't a State, its a Theme Park surrounded by swamps and gators where Old Americans go to die. Hopefully he and his whole tamale clan can pack their panchos and go there for their last days. Take the other boobs with you Motel Six.
Kasich is another flaming homo whose water closet buggery has let his pimps own his ass. Willie Cuckley was one too. He was the fair haired boy for Conservatism during McCarthy's Anti Commie days, but his penchant for buggery blackmailed him into blackballing all the real conservatives and Americans and letting the Trotsky Neo-Cohens run his dirtbag rag, THE NEW ZOO REVIEW. These clowns are a sad sack of shit wrapped in a bad joke with an old out of style bow-tied corporate wrapper.
Donald Trump knows how to build stuff, he can make budgets, he can manage people, and he can find good advisors who can tell him who to delegate the authority to to get the job done. Like Perot, Trump was the only non-Whore to run. He has the Fuck You Money to not be bought. Anyone who doesn't say it straight, may as well wear their treason around their neck like an albatross. There's a Storm coming. Trump could stop it, but these dummies are too stupid and crazy to stop now. Bugger and Tubbman are gonna fly right off the cliff this time, boys.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 22, 2016 7:48 PM  

Consider your audience please. None of us go to home Depot for homo mexican manly love.

Blogger Student in Blue April 22, 2016 7:50 PM  

@johnc
I responded to both examples of what Dr. Pournelle claimed Trump has been consistent on (local education and SC justices).

Fair enough. I had misread part of what your post.

I didn't feel the need to provide links since anybody who has been following this campaign even tangentially knows that they're facts.

Context matters. That's why links, especially to primary sources, are important. So instead of trying to go off of my or your memory...

Is there anybody here that doesn't know Trump said that the federal government has a major role to play in education?

...It's kind of blindingly obvious it does. Whether it ought to is a different matter.

A link would help get to the bottom of this.

Or that his nutjob sister would make a great SC justice? I'm surprised that Dr. Pournelle was not aware of those statements.

Same thing with this. Andrew E said one thing but I'd rather not just go by he-says-she-says.

@cheddarman
Because playing with your fool Yankee head is much more fun!

There's a point where it's playing with someone's head, and where it's just shitting the bed.

Anonymous aero April 22, 2016 7:52 PM  

The individual that knows how to buy politicians to achieve a business goal. Knows more about how government works then the individual that can be bought. What many fear is that trump knows the game to well. He can expose their corruption making deal and the backroom deals a lot harder. Trump knows the players on both sides too well.

Anonymous LastRedoubt April 22, 2016 7:59 PM  

@CruzCrew

Frankly, if Dr Pournelle told me the sky was neon green with polka dots, I'd at least check before disputing him. You betray your ignorance

Blogger SciVo April 22, 2016 8:02 PM  

Steve wrote:Their better material has failed and the recent Trumpstumping attempts now seems phoned-in, as if his enemies have subconsciously conceded that he's going to be the nominee.

They've gone from subconsciously conceding that he's a credible candidate, to subconsciously conceding that he will be the nominee, to subconsciously conceding that he will be President. It's been fascinating to watch.

I won't elaborate, because I have the disturbing feeling that people are reading this that I don't want to understand what's going on. Sorry.

But anyway, it's basically already a done deal, even in Democrats' heads. We can all go home now.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 8:06 PM  

"Maybe that's the problem with you guys. You're taking this shit way to personally."
Nate,
The Cruztards take everything personal.
That' s what keeps 'em goin', dontcha know.

Blogger Teri April 22, 2016 8:10 PM  

@95,

Basically everyone in this election has high unfavorables. It just means that we don't have a lot of wishy washy candidates this time out. All that will change as it comes down to Dem vs Rep in the general. This election has some real enthusiasm on the Rep side and there will be a lot of "holding my nose and voting for Hill" on the Dem side. I've read that 25% of Sanders supporters won't vote for her.

Blogger Eric April 22, 2016 8:14 PM  

This election has some real enthusiasm on the Rep side and there will be a lot of "holding my nose and voting for Hill" on the Dem side. I've read that 25% of Sanders supporters won't vote for her.

I read this every election and it never actually happens. Democrats will vote for Hillary if she's nominated. Turnout might be a tiny bit lower than it would have been otherwise, but not enough to matter.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice April 22, 2016 8:16 PM  

@2 Broken Arrow

One of the fallouts of this primary season is that 17 candidates ended up at seriously in the fray. Of the 14 who are gone, how many even have political careers anymore

Depends on how many would be willing to swallow their pride and accept an appointment in a Trump admin. What about putting Rand Paul in charge of the Fed? If Scott Walker's term-limited, what about making him head honcho at Labor?

If they play their cards right, they could join Trump as part of the wrecking crew headed to DC ...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 22, 2016 8:20 PM  

What's been fascinating for me is watching Trump bring the principles of 4G war, what Scott Adams call 3-D view, to bear in politics.

Most Cruzlims still won't believe that they lost Cruz the nomination by trying to justify his 2G delegate moves in CO and WY.

Americans love a fight, but they prefer the appearance of a fair fight. Crowing about bringing sap to a fistfight turned off literally 10s of thousands of potential Cruz supporters.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 22, 2016 8:20 PM  

@105 Cheddarman:

Consider your audience please. None of us go to home Depot for homo mexican manly love.

Eh, you never know when obscure info might come in handy. Suppose, for example, you wake up one day hankering to write an urban fantasy novel involving lower classes than yourself....

Blogger Elder Son April 22, 2016 8:25 PM  

TrusTED Cruz Cash For The Poor Program?

https://youtu.be/K-pwGx4vv2g

Here: http://dailybail.com/home/busted-video-catches-ted-cruz-bribing-a-delegate.html

Blogger JimR April 22, 2016 8:26 PM  

@111
According to http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/04/22/fox-news-poll-california-presidential-primaries/ 36% of Sanders voters would consider voting for a third party in a Trump vs Canckles race.
The survey doesn't ask how many would be voting T instead of H though, just that only 52% of Californian Sanders voters would be satisfied voting for one of them.
Just a poll, in California, so make of that what you will

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 8:27 PM  

" I've read that 25% of Sanders supporters won't vote for her."
I've heard about 40% or more won't vote for that harpy, but I wouldn't count on'em gettin' out of bed to vote for Der Trumpen either. fuckin' flea bitten hippies roll that way.

Blogger JimR April 22, 2016 8:30 PM  

@118 John Mosby
I'd settle for 40% of Sanders supporters staying home. That pretty much throws it to Trump no worries. I doubt it would actually be that high, but I'd not be surprised at 25%

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 22, 2016 8:33 PM  

Teri wrote:@95,

Basically everyone in this election has high unfavorables.


That's a bigger point than people think. And I'd love to see intensity numbers.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 8:38 PM  

"Americans love a fight, but they prefer the appearance of a fair fight. Crowing about bringing sap to a fistfight turned off literally 10s of thousands of potential Cruz supporters"
This is going to get Clinical.
Blood, teeth and sundry body parts will get spilled on the floor.
And it's a good thing.

Blogger lowercaseb April 22, 2016 8:43 PM  

Nate wrote:Maybe that's the problem with you guys. You're taking this shit way to personally.

Muh Feelz! You hurt muh feelz!

Actually, it's one of the reasons I enjoy reading your rebuttals. Although I disagree with you on the choice, you state your points clearly and you stick by them even when the whole blog is giving you shit. That definitely gives me pause to re-consider my choice.

However, it is all for naught. I'm still voting for Kucinich. He is the only one that can stop ISIS.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 April 22, 2016 8:46 PM  

@88 I am not talking about good candidates from the perspective of this board, just what the GOP bench looks like presently. And there are plenty of credentialed warm bodies with various regional appeal for most important election ever. Somebody like Walker didn't have a shot because Trump destroyed anybody that wasn't an establishment darling or have a built in base.

She's from Chicago, born there, raised in a suburb 15 miles away from the downtown according to Wikipedia.

Park Ridge has changed quite a bit since she grew up there though. It used be a solidly middle class place. These days its for top quintile whites that are willing to trade yard space for shorter commute time and find the diversity in Oak Park somewhat questionable.

I've read that 25% of Sanders supporters won't vote for her.

That is why she is why Hillary is contemplating the double vaj ticket and running with Vox's kinswoman. Sure she was a corporation lawyer and a Ivy League law professor but apparently that who trans-indian thing gives her plenty of prog cred.

Blogger lowercaseb April 22, 2016 8:46 PM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:This is going to get Clinical.

Blood, teeth and sundry body parts will get spilled on the floor.

And it's a good thing.


...and it's still the primary. Just wait for when the general election happens.

I will not be satisfied if this election does not have UN observers in blue helmets monitoring the polling places to keep the peace.

Blogger SciVo April 22, 2016 8:48 PM  

Eric wrote:This election has some real enthusiasm on the Rep side and there will be a lot of "holding my nose and voting for Hill" on the Dem side. I've read that 25% of Sanders supporters won't vote for her.

I read this every election and it never actually happens. Democrats will vote for Hillary if she's nominated. Turnout might be a tiny bit lower than it would have been otherwise, but not enough to matter.


I personally know a Sanders supporter who made a mutual anti-establishment treaty with her Trump-supporting male relative (brother? I forget) that if only one of the two made it, they would both vote for him. I know, just an anecdote.

Blogger M Cephas April 22, 2016 8:52 PM  

I always thought not being qualified, not being a politician, was a plus. Though if you count his experience in buying politicians, or maintaining relationships with them, I wouldn't say he has no experience in government.

Blogger SciVo April 22, 2016 8:55 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Americans love a fight, but they prefer the appearance of a fair fight. Crowing about bringing sap to a fistfight turned off literally 10s of thousands of potential Cruz supporters.

Any sigma lawyer couldn't help it, and that goes quadruple for one not steeped in American culture for quadruple generations.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 8:56 PM  

Those blue helmets makes for an easy target.
Let us roll.

Blogger SciVo April 22, 2016 9:01 PM  

lowercaseb wrote:I will not be satisfied if this election does not have UN observers in blue helmets monitoring the polling places to keep the peace.

I will not be satisfied if this election does not see the dissolution of the UN, for taking men from fatalist low-trust rape cultures, handing them guns, and then surrounding them with vulnerable women and children. Utterly reprehensible.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 9:05 PM  






"Park Ridge has changed quite a bit since she grew up there"
She's still a godamn yankee any way you look at it .
Fuck her.



Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 22, 2016 9:18 PM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:"Park Ridge has changed quite a bit since she grew up there"

She's still a godamn yankee any way you look at it .

Fuck her.



No, thanks.

I've always thought Hillary sounds like a Chicago Jew, acts like a Chicago Jew. I wouldn't be surprised if mama Rodham had a little sumpin'-sumpin' goin on on the side back in the late '40s.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 April 22, 2016 9:26 PM  

Nobody that grew up a stones throw from Chicago is a Yankee. Her selling influence while Sec of State through her Clinton Foundation was textbook Chicago. Its about as close to mafia rule as you can get in the US. After the great separation Chicago is going to be a city-state with some sort of corrupt dictatorship. If it happens before the minorities take over the city it will be a functional one, otherwise it will slide into Detroit.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 9:26 PM  

No, thanks
Don't blame ya Snidely , not one bit.

Blogger ray April 22, 2016 9:31 PM  

@13 CruzCrew7 --


FoxForce5

OK. Now, you.

Blogger Lazarus April 22, 2016 9:36 PM  

lowercaseb wrote:However, it is all for naught. I'm still voting for Kucinich. He is the only one that can stop ISIS.

For the WIN!

Blogger Harold April 22, 2016 9:45 PM  

What Trump has going for him if he gets the Republican nomination is that there are plenty of us out here who would crawl over broken glass to vote for Syd the Syphilitic Camel to defeat Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife. And Trump is a better candidate then Syd.

Having said that, my first choice among all the Republican candidates at the start was Walker, who has shown he can stand up to Dems. Trump was my last choice. (Still is, despite my respect for Dr. Pournelle.) And a third party candidate instead of Kasich- he wasn't a choice at all.

Trump may have people who dislike him, but none who'll crawl over broken glass to vote against him. The negative intensity against Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife is probably greater then it has been against any other candidate in my lifetime.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 9:48 PM  

@8 Mr.MantraMan

I would say the sunlight is bad for Cucks as it is for the SJW they are both maggoty creatures best suited to the dark.
---

SJWs are like leeches.
Cucks are like Ticks.

Anonymous Case April 22, 2016 9:51 PM  

The GOP is competitive in this race because Trump ran. Trump's people are Trump's people. If he leaves, they leave with him. They couldn't care less about the GOP. Cruz isn't actually a contender. He's a place holder. He'll get steamrolled in the general election.

I refuse to allow myself to get too emotionally involved with Presidential elections but I really think Hillary would do serious damage to what's left of the USA--and Trump's work ethic and ego has the potential to make him a surprisingly good President.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 9:51 PM  

@13 CruzCrew7
The only choice is Cruz versus liberals.

If you, Pournelle, and other want to go liberal Trumptard, so be it.

You will be purged soon enough.
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Hey hey! A Cruzlim! Didn't see that coming.

Blogger Noah B April 22, 2016 9:55 PM  

"The only choice is Cruz versus liberals."

Cruz's strongest selling point, ironically, may be the fact that he's Canadian. The sooner we get rid of the idea that only citizens can be presidents, the sooner we can elect Vladimir Putin.

Blogger Akulkis April 22, 2016 10:01 PM  

@105. Cheddarman

"Consider your audience please. None of us go to home Depot for homo mexican manly love."


Your response begets the question: "OK, so where do you go?"


*ducking and running*

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:05 PM  

@46 James Higham

Yep. Will you guys please take your Obama back from the UK, he's not wanted. Is there some way to terminate his commission early?
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The best thing you can do is ignore Obamis entirely while he is there.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:08 PM  

@55 b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440

You need a real American in there like Hulk Hogan

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 10:12 PM  










"As for Josh, he supported Rand Paul, and probably still would if he were running."

"Correct"
When you are a Libtard, you back a Libtard, no matter if they suck to high heaven, get in there and suck with 'em to the bitter damn end.
pull that pud, sonny. THINX about your chap's fuche.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 22, 2016 10:12 PM  

Brother John, she said she was always a Yankees fan.

Anonymous Charie Baud April 22, 2016 10:13 PM  

Steve wrote:Recent attacks have been weak. Irrelevant nonsense about which bathroom trannies take a shit in (because that's the stuff Presidents need to take a stand on, amirite?)

It should be. If we don't have a leader that can stand up to the cultural marxists, then we have no shot of fighting back in the culture war. I've heard too many excuses from faggy libertarians about how we need to give up on social issues for the sake of appealing to imaginary moderates.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:16 PM  

@68 Steve

Because Hillary and Ted are so natural and plainspoken.
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If you've been able to choke down viewing any of the Democrat rallies, then you've seen:

Bernout - yelling and shouting like some deaf guy from NYC railing about some old communist crap.

Hitlery - She has taken to shouting or yelling or somehow turning the pain of listening to her meter up to 11 lately XD And that's without the cackles.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:18 PM  

@69 johnc

Is there anybody here that doesn't know Trump said that the federal government has a major role to play in education?
---
I have heard him say it should be abolished.


Or that his nutjob sister would make a great SC justice?
--
And he was joking when he said that.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:20 PM  

@71 Andrew E.

See, Trump-speak is really not that hard to parse.
--

It's apparently very hard.

Some people have a hard time telling when Trump is obviously joking. Or it's obvious to me.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:26 PM  

@87 jOHN MOSBY

OH btw, Hillbitch is a yankee,do your homework, dude.
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I'm afraid to look into where Hildebeast was born because I might have to see another photo of her if I do. But she sure doesn't sound like she is from Arkansas. And we know she carpethagged her way into NY as a Senator.

Blogger Lazarus April 22, 2016 10:27 PM  

I keep reading about what candidates said while they are campaigning, as if it has any relevance to what they would actually do or not.

Please make it stop. It has no bearing on the outcome whatsoever. It never has, it never will.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 22, 2016 10:27 PM  

Cities like Chicago are likely to be depopulated by a combination of starvation then disease in the event of a civil war. I hope it does not come to that but if I could bet on it, that would be my wager.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:28 PM  

@94 Elder Son
There will be no poli-gabbing 4 years from now. All this poli-gabbing this cycle will be saved and used for the next cycle of poli-gabbing. Only the candidates names will change. Other than that, the poli-gabbing will remain unchanged.
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You're like the 2016 version of the guy who put pallet swapping into Mortal Kombat for new characters.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 22, 2016 10:29 PM  

Effing hillarious.

Anonymous BGKB April 22, 2016 10:32 PM  

@105 Cheddarman: Consider your audience please. None of us go to home Depot for homo mexican manly love.

At least you have an answer for jobs STR8 white men wont do for $20. Since I didn't put a gender on the $20 BJ, you must know that girl wetbacks charge less.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 10:37 PM  

152. Were-Puppy
IF SHE'S FROM THE BLESSED BY GOD SOUTH,
I'm a nigger navigator.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 22, 2016 10:38 PM  

I am looking forward to seeing the Donald crush the shit out of hilldog. She may end up withdrawing from the race for health reasons after he unleashes on her.

Blogger Lazarus April 22, 2016 10:42 PM  

Cheddarman wrote:Cities like Chicago are likely to be depopulated by a combination of starvation then disease in the event of a civil war. I hope it does not come to that but if I could bet on it, that would be my wager.

An actual civil war in America would be like nothing ever experienced in history. Certainly not like Round One, with 2 clearly defined antagonists. More like a five or six way territorial Balkanization with racial overlaps of conflict.

The STATE will go full Tyrant to suppress anything like that. All with the help of the Globalist agenda.

Your deliverance will not come from the actions of men.

Anonymous Case April 22, 2016 10:42 PM  

Old taffy head Bernie caused Hillary to have to do overtime in the bathroom during a break in their debate.

She'll have to bring a slop jar with her to a debate against Trump.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:47 PM  

@118 Elder Son
TrusTED Cruz Cash For The Poor Program?

https://youtu.be/K-pwGx4vv2g

Here: http://dailybail.com/home/busted-video-catches-ted-cruz-bribing-a-delegate.html
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Teddy bribing a delegate? Let's not jump to conclusions. This looks more like a quick drug deal.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 10:48 PM  

"Brother John, she said she was always a Yankees fan."
So is Shep Smith. That Ole Piss faggot needs to be hung from the highest tree. I kinda like Josh, I hope it don't come to that with him.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 10:54 PM  

160. Lazarus
Shotgun weddings end in the nastiest of divorces.
Let it be so, Dear Lord I pray.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 10:58 PM  

@159 Cheddarman

I am looking forward to seeing the Donald crush the shit out of hilldog. She may end up withdrawing from the race for health reasons after he unleashes on her.
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I recently read that she dented her head after face planting going up the stairs onto an airplane. There is some drain bamage.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 22, 2016 11:01 PM  

@161 Case
She'll have to bring a slop jar with her to a debate against Trump.
--

She'll need an iv and a colostomy bag.

Anonymous johnc April 22, 2016 11:09 PM  

@147 Brother John, she said she was always a Yankees fan.

Who isn't?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 22, 2016 11:16 PM  

"Who isn't?"
ME. THAT'S ALL THAT COUNTS.
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Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 22, 2016 11:31 PM  

Great post!! Thank you for all you do; our host, VFM, CH's successes and countless others. Thank you.

"Whatever gets the borders closed and starts the respections. Say what you will about Dr. Pournelle, but he's not only smart, he has accumulated a fair bit of wisdom along the way."

What saddens me is that Dr. P is ignored or unheard, and its not true, we read and hear what Dr. Pournelle state along with out host's post supporting Trump. We have to be of utmost willingness to hear, read and see reality for our futures. No, reality and futures might be a little scary but push through that silly fear and use that fear or panic for productivity and clarity.

I am concerned the family, well, I hope the Trump and Pump for SUCCESS AND A FUTURE...goes for a victory in just a few short months. It's just the leading econo indicators are doom and gloom if not utter anarchy and shadow stats..

But in WV paranoia is felled; if we dont vote for Hill or Bernie (whom should be on a single ticket, Hill Pres or Bern Pres or whatever those pple want - you know, baby boomers are never ever satisfied, they have millions and still want power) some think they will be punished for voting for Trump.

Also word at the gym was that Trump will be stopped from any succession to the POTUS.

I challenged that matter and said vote for whom is best.

Required listening, I am worried or hoping Ice T and PM Dawn stay well, this is pure bliss...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SApNy_QTtM4

It is our gen, our genre, our era. Let us pray, celebrate the good and move forward. Pray for the best yet fully understanding epic decline is upon us (stateside)

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 22, 2016 11:34 PM  

Edit:

we read and hear what Dr. Pournelle state along with out host's post supporting Trump.

Should have appeared as: we read and hear what Dr. Pournelle state along with our host's post supporting Trump.

(Just carelessness and spirits.)

Blogger SciVo April 22, 2016 11:35 PM  

The STATE will go full Tyrant to suppress anything like that. All with the help of the Globalist agenda.

It will try, but when things break down along identity lines, there will be identitarians in the State too. (The rest will be foreign agents.)

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 22, 2016 11:40 PM  

OT: AGW is like feminism a felled, failed, dying worldview

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-22/weather-channel-founder-slams-global-warming-theory-has-failed

Blogger rumpole5 April 22, 2016 11:44 PM  

"It's not like the South has produced any winners for president or Congress in modern times either."

I believe that the gentleman has inadvertently identified one of the reasons our last 20 years of presidential material has been of such poor quality.

Blogger weka April 22, 2016 11:46 PM  

Gentlemen and minions.

1. The USA is not recovering from a great depression.
2. Obama is this depression's Hoover.
3. Trump is this Depression's Roosevelt

And yes the party of the elite is now a donkey, not the elephant. Which is why the Republican establishment lose: their demographic has changed sides.

Trump may consider the productive classes, and make something akin to the union plus Dixie coalition that was the democratic party of Truman and Stevenson.

It is interesting.... And the other parallel is that the antipodes are getting out of their recession because,unlike China and the USA we are too poor for crony capitalism to survive.

Blogger weka April 22, 2016 11:46 PM  

Gentlemen and minions.

1. The USA is not recovering from a great depression.
2. Obama is this depression's Hoover.
3. Trump is this Depression's Roosevelt

And yes the party of the elite is now a donkey, not the elephant. Which is why the Republican establishment lose: their demographic has changed sides.

Trump may consider the productive classes, and make something akin to the union plus Dixie coalition that was the democratic party of Truman and Stevenson.

It is interesting.... And the other parallel is that the antipodes are getting out of their recession because,unlike China and the USA we are too poor for crony capitalism to survive.

Blogger Doom April 23, 2016 12:03 AM  

I may vote for Trump. I will not vote for Cruz, or less even than he. Cruz may or may not have been mainstream. But when he saw he couldn't win legitimately, he went there as quickly as he could. Sold out faster than either Clinton, though Sanders, if he made it would sell out about as quickly when things dawned. If they use Cruz to split the ticket, they will not use him to fill the space. Does he know that? He must. Which means he has definitely sold out... no one is that naive.

What amazed me was how open candidates like Bush and Kasich were. Wow, fucking morons. Poodles, water carriers, evil, openly. And running as Republicans. Man, I knew it had gone south, I just didn't realize how far until they were clear about it. Traitors running openly for the "conservative" party. That party is either dead or should be. Can only afford, and maybe not even that, one traitor party at a time. If this open running of traitors didn't wake conservatives who say they are Republican, nothing will. What comes is what is deserved.

Blogger tublecane April 23, 2016 12:10 AM  

@75-"Trump is this Depression's Roosevelt"

Then God save us from Trump. Or do you just mean he's going to win a lot? In that case, hooray!

But I don't see it. He could pull in more voters and forge coalitions, but he won't have control of his party. FDR had his troops in lockstep. Trump will be under constant barrage from the mushy right. Also, FDR had the press and the intellectual class as a whole under his thumb.

Not that Trump isn't resilient. 9.9999 out of ten politicians would've succumbed to every attack he's weathered so far. But "revolution within the form," fundamental transformation, and winning election after election not just for you but for your party is about more than weathering attacks.

Also FDR had two huge crises to take advantage of. We're not out of the slough, but it's also not 1933 or 1941.

Blogger Technomad April 23, 2016 12:14 AM  

I will admit that I'd have liked to see Scott Walker go the distance, if only to watch libtards' and union thugs' heads asplode if he won. The sobbing and wailing would be sweet, sweet music, and their tears would be gathered to clean my gun collection with.

Blogger bob k. mando April 23, 2016 12:24 AM  

Jerry Pournelle is a Trumptard ...

doesn't the SFWA consider this Act of Micro-Aggression grounds for expulsion?

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Blogger Akulkis April 23, 2016 12:29 AM  

@109

"The individual that knows how to buy politicians to achieve a business goal. Knows more about how government works then the individual that can be bought. What many fear is that trump knows the game to well. He can expose their corruption making deal and the backroom deals a lot harder. Trump knows the players on both sides too well."

That has been PRECISELY my thoughts on why the establishment fears him so much that they're shitting bricks every other day.

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Anonymous Emmanuel April 23, 2016 12:35 AM  

There is a typo in the beginning regarding the "anything but Reagan" which was in 1976, not 1956

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 23, 2016 12:48 AM  

We're not out of the slough, but it's also not 1933 or 1941.


Yet.

Blogger Akulkis April 23, 2016 1:03 AM  

@159

Two debates, max, before she tries to call "no mas."

It's going to be glorious.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 23, 2016 1:04 AM  

He is a fellow southron. You guys need to stick together.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 23, 2016 1:12 AM  

I would like to see different people here write out and post their scenarios for the breakup of the USA with dates and total body counts. I expect the first half of this century to get very bloody. Not just in the usa but also canada, Europe and china.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 23, 2016 1:14 AM  

You could add Brazil and Africa to that list of countries and continents that will blow up

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 23, 2016 1:14 AM  

We stick tighter than ticks.

Anonymous Millenium April 23, 2016 1:58 AM  

BREAKING: Prosecutors expose ISIS plot to bring terrorists into the US through Mexico

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89V0GKMAVBc

Not voting for Trump so he can build his great wall and ban muslims should be considered treason.

Blogger bruce April 23, 2016 2:32 AM  

>175
1) Obama is this depression's Hoover
2) Trump is this depression's Roosevelt.

Batting at least 500. 1) is clearly true. I pray 2) is true in spades: America could use a right wing Roosevelt.

Anonymous Steve April 23, 2016 4:17 AM  

Were-Puppy:

Bernout - yelling and shouting like some deaf guy from NYC railing about some old communist crap.


Ha! True.

I watched a Bernie rally yesterday. I think it was at a university, so the audience were all kids, but it reminded me that people under the age of 30 have no business voting.

The highlights were:

* Cute brunette rabbiting on and on about how much of a victim she is. And how that's "NOT OK!"

* Problem glasses everywhere

* A she-Mahomettan dressed in a black bin bag, carrying a sign saying "A Future To Believe In"

* Butch black lady preacher complaining about helpless thugs and rapists are "spiritually traumatised" by prison, the poor darlings.

* Another gravelly-voiced woman complaining about stuff.

After half an hour of this, they finally played Bernie's funky prog-rock theme tune and the man himself appeared.

WOOOO! BERNIE! YEAAAHHHHH!

Bernie has an odd style, for an American politician. He's more like a British socialist from the 1970's. The hunched shoulders, freestyle hand gestures and querulous tone of bristling indignation are very Michael Foot.

The content of his speech was actually pretty boring and conventional. Free shit... free shit... climate change... free shit.

Now, I understand Bernie's appeal to Millenials. They mistake his silly-old-man polyester 1970's socialist nonsense for new and shiny. And who doesn't love free shit?

Hillary's shindigs are quite different:

* Lots more black folks
* Lots of "muh vagina" stuff about wage gaps and whatnot
* Where Bernie is just old, Hilldog looks old and sick. It's like she's permanently struggling with a head cold.

Bernie is boring, but Hillary is viscerally repugnant. Seeing her beady, restless eyes slide over the audience like she's a lizard ready to catch flies, her croaking hectoring, her wattle quivering with anger... it's enough to make a man yearn for the days when witches were given free swimming lessons.

Blogger Escoffier April 23, 2016 6:46 AM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:

"Park Ridge has changed quite a bit since she grew up there"

She's still a godamn yankee any way you look at it .

Fuck her.



And yet you assholes foisted Lindsey Graham on this nation more than once. When you deal with the utter shame of that you can post on this blog again.

Blogger Escoffier April 23, 2016 6:47 AM  

I just assumed as we were in the days of declining empire Trump was our Caligula? Did I miss something?

Blogger Escoffier April 23, 2016 6:49 AM  

Akulkis wrote:@105. Cheddarman

"Consider your audience please. None of us go to home Depot for homo mexican manly love."

Your response begets the question: "OK, so where do you go?"

*ducking and running*


Rence Priebus, I though you knew?

Anonymous Raphael Semmes April 23, 2016 7:35 AM  

Lindsey Graham

Graham. Are you kidding me???

Just to say, the University of N. Carolina is as faggot as hell itself.

Yes, the South used the Army Of N. Carolina as it's marching military...(tho some toothless idiot from N.Carolina shot Stonewall Jackson), but that was being used as a buttress to keeps the Godless Yankees up north. As was the Army of Northern Virginia.

Anonymous mature craig April 23, 2016 7:40 AM  

Another good intangible about Trump... He has an effect on people of making them want to clean themselves up and not be losers. And I think its good for the country just him being on Tv

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. April 23, 2016 9:28 AM  

Rence Priebus will retire/take some time off this year.

192 we need Hill, Bern and Chelsea to all run together, facepalm.

Anything can happen this year.

I've suffered through enough of the bifactional vampervs speeches and rallies.

BUT! Trump's 'rally rallies' happiness, fun sound bites, always happy, beautiful people.

Bern and Hill are utterly depressing, its depressing and misery enough stateside. Trying to coexist with ugliness and austerity takes its toll, but really Hill and Bern 2016 running together.

Trump is so popular if he didn't choose or want a VP no one would mind.

Cruz can pull lies but has no game in that he doesn't understand his opponent; Trump can win by losing, Trump won the issue over Colorado, Cruz errored. Rush errored when he stated Colorado changed their rules last summer so their would be no vote unless I heard wrong...

The under 30 crowd, under 25vers may understand the current times but Berns/Hill's peeps believe everything they are told, never question anything, live in a suspended reality, they actually think things are ok, fine or normal. Even Chelsea's grooming college kids as a new mommy that debt freedom isn't realistic, nice.

Overall, I'm listening, my vote is open. Knowing how things are around here like past elections, I'll be told my ID doesn't match or my registration isn't right, can't vote. The vote is rather humorous in that post americants are just livestock for the vampires. And truly - I dont think women should vote anyways, I mean how can gen x (not to be divisive) outvote boomers and mil'lens all screwed up on their meds, recall, postamericans are doped up err medicated.

Or I am wrong, which is often and there will be upset with a HILLBILLBERNCHELsea win as Trump is denied or derailed from being POTUS.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar April 23, 2016 11:01 AM  

Unlike what all these Southrons say, it ain't Johnny Rebs vs Yankees. There ain't no Yankees anymore. Up here we like niggers to be on the move, away. If you want to know what the breakdown of Civil War II is gonna be, then look at the election map from 2014.
Red is YOU, Blue is the ENEMY. See where you are and make sure you're not behind enemy lines. This shebang is gonna start quick and snowball like a Sonnuvabitch. Get ready NOW.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 23, 2016 11:58 AM  

@167 johnc
@147 Brother John, she said she was always a Yankees fan.

Who isn't?
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Where to begin? How about JOHN ROCKER :P

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