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Wednesday, April 27, 2016

Making the Hugos great again


 A roundup of reactions to the Rabid Puppies rampaging through the 2016 Hugo Awards. Jerry Pournelle's nomination alone makes the whole effort worthwhile:
I seem to have been nominated for a Hugo. “Best Editor, Short Form”. The only work mentioned for the year 2015 is There Will Be War, Volume X” released in November. It is of course a continuation of the There Will Be War series which appeared in the 1980’s and early 90’s, of which the first four volumes were recreated with a new preface during 2015; the rest are scheduled to come out in the next couple of years. I’ve edited a lot of anthologies, starting with 2020 Vision in 1973 (I think it will come out in reprint with new a introduction and afterword’s by the surviving authors next year. I did a series of anthologies with Jim Baen that was pretty popular, and one-off anthologies like Black Holes and The Survival of Freedom, amounting to more than twenty over the years, but this is the first time anyone has ever nominated me for an editing Hugo – and actually the first time I ever thought of it myself.

When I first started in this racket, Best Editor Hugo usually meant one for the current editor of Analog or Galaxy. That spread around over the years, but it meant Editor in the sense of someone employed with the title of Editor, not a working writer who put together anthologies, sometimes for a lark.

I used to get Hugo nominations all the time in my early days, but I never won. My Black Holes story came close, but I lost to Niven’s “Hole Man”. Ursula LeGuin beat me for novella. There were others. Our collaborations routinely got nominated, but again usually came second, so at one point I was irked enough to say “Money will get you through times of no Hugo’s much better than Hugo’s will get you through times of no money,” and put whatever promotion efforts I had time for into afternoon and late night talk radio shows and stuff like that. Which worked for sales, but not for Hugo awards. I’m unlikely to get this one – I’m a good editor but that’s hardly my primary occupation – but I admit I’d like to. I was already going to Kansas City this August, so I’ll be there, but I doubt there’s much need to write a thank you speech.
One of the reasons I never paid any attention to the Hugos in the past was due to their tendency to overlook excellence such as the There Will Be War series, one of the best and most influential science fiction anthologies series ever created. I'm delighted we were able to pay collective homage to the SF great; having worked closely with him over the past year, I can testify that he is still a much better editor than most of the award-winning editors of the past 30 years.

David Barnett's story in The Guardian was almost balanced and mostly stuck to the facts, which is rather remarkable considering that he is a Tor author. Sure, there are a few errors, such as the fact that SJWs Always Lie is a political philosophy bestseller, not "an essay", and "parody of erotic dinosaur fiction" is redundant, but he also, almost uniquely, went to the trouble of asking me what I thought about the awards, rather than asking my opponents what they imagined I thought.

It would appear that Barnett actually understood what I told him about the consequences of last year's ludicrous media coverage, and applied that understanding. “I think they [the Puppies campaigns] have successfully exposed the extent of the ideological bias in science fiction and fantasy publishing, and in the media. The media coverage last year was so insane and so over the top that it significantly boosted support for the Rabid Puppies.”
The annual Hugo awards for the best science fiction of the year have once again been riven by controversy, as a concerted campaign by a conservative lobby has dominated the ballot.

The Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies movements, which both separately campaign against a perceived bias towards liberal and leftwing science-fiction and fantasy authors, have managed to get the majority of their preferred nominations on to the final ballot, announced today.

This means that voters on the prestigious awards will now be choosing from a shortlist which includes SJWs Always Lie, an essay about “social justice warriors” by Rabid Puppies campaign leader Vox Day; a self-published parody of erotic dinosaur fiction called Space Raptor Butt Invasion, by Chuck Tingle; and My Little Pony cartoon The Cutie Map....

The Puppies factions will undoubtedly be celebrating their successes on the ballot, but for many people engaged in the science-fiction and fantasy genres this news will not be well-received. The Hugo awards, once the watchword of quality in the SFF world, appear to have been utterly derailed for the second year running.
Another Tor author, McRapey, was up to his usual tricks, attempting to minimize everything, including his own award-pimping and campaigning. Isn't it fascinating how many Tor authors are out there attempting to shape the media narrative? How utterly unexpected!
The Hugo finalists: John Scalzi on why the sad puppies can't take credit for Neil Gaiman's success

The Puppies will no doubt be happy to take credit for the appearance of these works and others on the finalist list. But, as with “Guardians of the Galaxy” last year, their endorsement probably doesn’t count for much in the grand scheme of things. “Seveneves,” one of the most talked-about science fiction books of 2015, was already a heavy favorite for an appearance on the finalist list for best novel.

Likewise, Gaiman’s long-awaited return to the beloved Sandman universe means his finalist listing in best graphic novel was the closest thing to a shoo-in that the Hugos have. If “The Martian” hadn’t been a finalist in its category (best dramatic presentation, long form), people would have been stunned.

In these cases as in several others, the Puppies are running in front of an existing parade and claiming to lead it. Few who know the field or the Hugos would give the slates credit for highlighting works and authors already well-appreciated in the genre, many of which have appeared this year as finalists for other awards or on bestseller lists.
Of course the Sad Puppies can't take any credit for Neil Gaiman's nomination. The Rabid Puppies were responsible! As for whether Gaiman would have been nominated without RP support, they like to claim that sort of thing, but we'll have to wait and see what the numbers say. Given their past record of ignoring popular, bestselling works, that's hardly a given. In any event, as we proved last year in Best Novel, even when we don't control the category, we still have the ability to decide who will win and who will lose when the SJWs don't No Award the category.

In other news, we have a runner! Tom Mays belatedly decided to go the way of Marko Kloos. Not the brightest move; the time for virtue-signaling is before the nominations are awarded. It's no big deal, not everyone can take the heat, although I suspect Tom is simply more of a Sad Puppy who hasn't woken up to the cultural war yet. I was more interested to see that Black Gate caved and decided to accept their nomination this year; John O'Neill is a smart guy, he knows perfectly well that the nomination is well-merited, he grasps the genetic fallacy, and I suspect he has come to terms with the fact that the Rabid Puppies are not going away any time soon.

It's a bit amusing to see the SJWs suggesting hopefully that EPH is going to somehow "solve" the "problem of the Puppies". Do they really think I didn't know, from the start, that they were going to change the rules? Or that I don't know, better than they do, what the consequences will be?

The real question of this year's awards is on what basis the administrators disqualified all five computer game nominations in the Best Dramatic Presentation categories. That bears investigation. But these are minor concerns, as for me the three most important factors are these:
  1.  The rocks are being overturned and the long-hidden problem of pedophilia in science fiction is finally beginning to be exposed. This is the real story.
  2.  Jerry Pournelle being recognized for his excellent and ground-breaking editorial work.
  3. SPACE RAPTOR BUTT INVASION!
I don't know if we'll see more than five categories no-awarded this year, but it doesn't matter. They didn't think the Rabid Puppies could do it this year, but once more, the Puppies demonstrated that the SJW Narrative is a false one and the oft-repeated insistence that everyone subscribes to it is a lie.

I also sent out a press release:



RABID PUPPIES
Make the 2016 Hugos Great

Much to the surprise of the social justice warriors in the science fiction community, who believed stern disapproval and a record voter turnout would suffice to leash the Rabid Puppies, the nominations for the 2016 Hugo Awards were once more dominated by the corybantic canines. 64 of the Supreme Dark Lord's 81 recommendations made the 2016 shortlist, an increase of 6 from last year's 58 finalists.

"I'm not even remotely surprised to learn that the Rabid Puppies did so well," said Vox Day, as he mopped his brow with the flayed skin of an SJW after an arduous night of celebrating his fourth and fifth nominations. “For over 20 years, the mainstream science-fiction publishers have been trying to pass off romance in space and left-wing diversity lectures as science fiction. Support for the Puppies is a popular reaction to mediocrities and absurdities being presented as the very best that the field has to offer.”

Many of the finalists were delighted by the news. Chuck Tingle, author of "Space Raptor Butt Invasion", nominated for Best Short Story, tweeted: "understand #HUGOAWARDS nominate Space Raptor Butt Invasion as best book ever. This PROVES that we exhist in the first layer of tingleverse!"

Others were less pleased. Tor Books author David Barnett declared in The Guardian: "The Hugo awards, once the watchword of quality in the SFF world, appear to have been utterly derailed for the second year running."

Some of the more notable Hugo Award finalists include:
  • Moira Greyland's account of her childhood abuse at the hands of her mother, the award-winning science fiction writer Marion Zimmer Bradley, nominated in Best Related Work.
  • SF great Jerry Pournelle, whose groundbreaking There Will Be War series returned after a 25-year absence due to the end of the Cold War, nominated in Best Editor, Short Form.
  • "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" by Chuck Tingle, a sensuous space romance that is a tribute to true diversity in science fiction, nominated in Best Short Story.
  • SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police, the political philosophy bestseller by Vox Day, nominated in Best Related Work.
  • My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic, Season 5, Episodes 1-2, “The Cutie Map”, nominated in Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form.
The official list of the finalists in all 16 categories, including the 2016 Campbell Award for Best New Writer, can be found here: 2016 Hugo Nominations.

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85 Comments:

Blogger Josh April 27, 2016 8:12 AM  

Make Gay Raptors In Space Great Again!

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2016 8:19 AM  

Mays' justification is preposterous. Tingle's dominance is so hot. Pournelle's honest acceptance is marvelous.

Blogger Ahazuerus April 27, 2016 8:23 AM  

I was surprised at the massive falloff in nomination votes after Best Novel.

Is that normal? Do you have any other thoughts about it?

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2016 8:25 AM  

I wonder which hurts McRapey worse: the fact that no one reads the LA Times or the fact that his best argument was one that ripped the technique that he honed for years in secret? He is so jealous that you are getting all the credit for inventing the Scalzi slate method, and he gets stuck with Famous Rape Artist as his literary legacy.

Blogger Gaiseric April 27, 2016 8:26 AM  

I can't wait to see what happens when the media tries to tiptoe around the implications of the Hugo nominated Moira Greyland story and Safe Space as Rape Room. Those are the real sleepers on the ballots. Even if the media tries to ignore them, the fans will be massively exposed to them anyway.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2016 8:29 AM  

Yes the falloff is normal. The nominating process is a slog. Same reason why Best Picture is saved for last at the Oscars - more people care about it vs. best foreign language short documentary.

A full ballot takes discipline and interest.

Blogger Shimshon April 27, 2016 8:32 AM  

I hope Chuck Tingle writes a novel this year. He deserves a bigger award than mere Best Short Story.

Anonymous JB April 27, 2016 8:36 AM  

Great job BUCKAROOS. I will be laughing for a year. Tingle all the way

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2016 8:40 AM  

Heh, JB.

Tingle's balls! Tingle's balls!
Tingle all the way!
Oh what fun the Hugos are
Now that Space Raptors are gay!

Blogger VD April 27, 2016 8:41 AM  

Is that normal? Do you have any other thoughts about it?

That is entirely normal. I knew Best Novel would be a tough category this year.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 27, 2016 8:43 AM  

One wonders: will the refusal to read Moira Greyland's story become a form of virtue signalling? Or will they simply attack her character?

How will they refuse to acknowledge the problem?

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 27, 2016 8:46 AM  

A gay space raptor also won the 1974 men's decathlon.

Blogger Salt April 27, 2016 8:51 AM  

I await with great anticipation for Chuck to add "Hugo Nominated" to the cover of Space Raptor.

Anonymous JB April 27, 2016 8:53 AM  

It's homophobic not to vote for Tingle, BUDS. Talk about painted into a corner. Not only that you all told them what corner you were painting them into. Fish in a barrel.

Blogger Edward Isaacs April 27, 2016 8:55 AM  

You absolute madmen. You actually went and got the ponies involved?

The fields are going to be drenched in unicorn blood. This is an act of God.

Anonymous Gorgo April 27, 2016 8:55 AM  

You left off "4. Self Enrichment by pushing the Castalia brand."

Blogger Basta Con La Droga April 27, 2016 8:59 AM  

Scalzi's going LITERALLY ballistic on his 5-billion-daily-visit blog. Laugh? I nearly bought me own ale.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2016 8:59 AM  

That goes without saying, Gorgo. Castalia House, like science, is self-enriching.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling April 27, 2016 9:04 AM  

Scalzi should be more upset that the last manuscript he turned in to Tor was so bad it required a serious rewrite or worse. When is he next going to even be eligible for a Hugo?

Blogger Joe Doakes April 27, 2016 9:05 AM  

"The Hugo awards, once the watchword of quality in the SFF world . . . ." Yes, exactly right, ONCE. But not for the last 20 years, which is why they needed to be derailed again. And again. And again, until they start being about quality instead of quotas, until stories matter more than authors. Kudos, Vox, yours was, in fact, a cunning plan. I'm glad I sat there and filled in every box all the way down the ballot.

Blogger VD April 27, 2016 9:06 AM  

I'm glad I sat there and filled in every box all the way down the ballot.

As am I. Well done.

Anonymous Golden Flowers April 27, 2016 9:07 AM  

Read the last post on the page. Mormont exposes VD for the sad little man he is.

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/128074-eligible-works-for-hugo-worldcon-2016-deadline-31st-march/&page=11

Quote: "He's looking to amplify his influence and claim victory whatever happens. He thinks this is a Machiavellian master stroke double-bluff no-lose genius gambit, instead of just a sad little dickhead playing silly buggers."

Anonymous Steve April 27, 2016 9:13 AM  

The nominating process is a slog.

Especially given the ballot was hosted on a Commodore PET with a 300 baud acoustic coupler modem, and the website's bandwidth was stretched harder than Rachel Swirsky's Spanx.

Took me hours to get my vote completed.

Blogger Alexander April 27, 2016 9:14 AM  

So... is anyone on the other side finally admitting that Vox did not game the 2014 Hugos?

Blogger YIH April 27, 2016 9:19 AM  

Only one name better than Chuck Tingle, and ironically, it wasn't a pseudonym:
Dick Trickle. No, for real.

Anonymous Nathan April 27, 2016 9:23 AM  

@22,

The one place I went to check on was resigned to wait out "VD's trust fund" before they got results they wanted. And that's from one of the less out there Kickers. Most of them are seeking evidence for the arguments from voices in their heads than taking a good hard objective look at what happened. Projection galore. So none of them will, especially when they can virtue signal and strawman instead. Anything to erase the fact that there are 500 people who chose to pay to play in the Hugos and actively detest their likes.

Blogger The Kurgan April 27, 2016 9:25 AM  

If they nuke everything they are exposed as the pedophilic protectors they are.

If they do not, they are exposed as the pedophilic protectors they are.

I did see this early last year and I helped with my own small contribution to this effect. The popcorn... It flows like a river. One of the flooding ones on Mars. They are over 10 times the size of the Amazon river.

OpenID denektenorsk April 27, 2016 9:28 AM  

In other news, we have a runner!

I admit, I LOLed. As you say... why now? The time to show his virtue is long past. Some Filers are giving kudos for taking a principled stand however so there is that. The mental gymnastics continue...

Anonymous Rolf April 27, 2016 9:31 AM  

Now if there ever was a Hugo nominee worthy of an asterisk, it would be Chuck Tingle. "Butt-butt-butt," you say, "what about the fact it's a short (snerk) story?" Don't worry - I'm sure it'll get longer....

Filling out the nominations took a while. Worth it, thought, to see Pournelle, Moira, MLP, Tingle, et al, take the field in force. The fact the other side cannot distinguish troll from not-troll much of the time makes it all the sweeter.

NOW - On to TRIUMPH!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 27, 2016 9:35 AM  

Buy stock in junk food companies, many carbs will be vanquished.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 27, 2016 9:37 AM  

It would be great if Dr. Pournelle won a Hugo, it's long overdue. I think a history of the Hugos would show that the deterioration set in much earlier than people want to admit - "Rendevous With Rama" was a decent book, but there's no way it was better than "The Mote in God's Eye". The latter is one of the best SF novels ever written.

My one grudge was that Wright did not get nominated for "Somewhither."

Blogger Nate April 27, 2016 9:38 AM  

As I watch them shriek in horror at Space Raptor... I am moved to note that these are exactly the same people who cheered their black hearts out when Samuel Delany was named Grand Master.

Blogger SteelPalm April 27, 2016 9:39 AM  

Another well-written, funny press release. And yeah, I don't know what world Tom Mays is living in. Oh well. Some people just learn more slowly.

Blogger SS April 27, 2016 9:42 AM  

YIH wrote:Only one name better than Chuck Tingle, and ironically, it wasn't a pseudonym:

Dick Trickle. No, for real.


You're gonna go down this road and forget Congressman Dick Armey?

Anonymous roo_ster April 27, 2016 9:44 AM  

Best $40 I ever spent on entertainment.

Blogger The Other Robot April 27, 2016 9:45 AM  

This year is shaping up to be awesome.

However, I keep expecting the Vampire Squids to forge Europe into a nation that can defeat those racist troglodytes in the US!

Blogger B.J. April 27, 2016 9:46 AM  

The comments section on the Guardian article prove everything:

-Puppies point out the awards are ideologically biased
-Everyone screeches about how the puppies have the wrong ideology
-Point proven (again)

Anonymous Dave April 27, 2016 9:47 AM  

"I'm not even remotely surprised to learn that the Rabid Puppies did so well," said Vox Day, as he mopped his brow with the flayed skin of an SJW after an arduous night of celebrating his fourth and fifth nominations. “For over 20 years, the mainstream science-fiction publishers have been trying to pass off romance in space and left-wing diversity lectures as science fiction. Support for the Puppies is a popular reaction to mediocrities and absurdities being presented as the very best that the field has to offer.”


Soon even your press releases will be nominated...

The Butt Invasion Hugos


OpenID denektenorsk April 27, 2016 9:50 AM  

From the article:

"And then the Rabid Puppies crashed the party, coming close to hijacking the Hugos in 2015. Everyone in science fiction and fantasy writing was involved: it even dragged George RR Martin away from finishing the long-awaited sixth book in his Game of Thrones series and in to the furious fight online, as the tussle over the different ideologies grew ever more ferocious."

Oh no! SDL, you are the reason Martin didn't finish book 6. Not writers block or an inability to manage his time but you. I hope you are suitably chastised?

Blogger Gaiseric April 27, 2016 9:57 AM  

Joe Doakes wrote:"The Hugo awards, once the watchword of quality in the SFF world . . . ." Yes, exactly right, ONCE. But not for the last 20 years, which is why they needed to be derailed again. And again. And again, until they start being about quality instead of quotas, until stories matter more than authors.
It's interesting that in the Guardian article, Rape Rape continues to talk about the long history of ideological diversity in the science fiction field; why here's a few examples of some nominally conservative moderates who worked in the 40s and 50s! Some of them in the early 60s even!

Blogger Shimshon April 27, 2016 10:01 AM  

...Rape Rape continues to talk about the long history of ideological diversity...

After all, back when Rape Rape was young (and writing) there were only two flavors of Doritos. Today, there's gotta be nearly a dozen! Choices for everyone across the entire ideological spectrum.

Anonymous Broken Arrow April 27, 2016 10:08 AM  

Chuck released a new story!

Blogger SciVo April 27, 2016 10:09 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:How will they refuse to acknowledge the problem?

Mostly by ignoring it. If they open their mouths to condemn child abuse, they'll end up blathering about ephebophilia and hebephilia and how "it's perfectly normal to admire a 14-year-old in a Vampirella costume, you know historically that was a normal age for a woman to get married and in the spec-fic community we can unshackle our minds and imagine things differently you know."

I predict that some will be sufficiently lacking in social awareness to actually do that.

Blogger Salt April 27, 2016 10:09 AM  

Chuck Tingle has updated his Amazon bio - "Hugo Award nominee Dr. Chuck Tingle ..."

Just fyi.

Anonymous Steve April 27, 2016 10:11 AM  

Oh no! SDL, you are the reason Martin didn't finish book 6. Not writers block or an inability to manage his time but you. I hope you are suitably chastised?

When Rape Squared has his inevitable Dorito-fuelled HNNNGGGGGHHHHHH!, and the forklift truck lowers his jumbo-sized coffin into the earth, I hope nobody laughs.

Anonymous VFM #9617 April 27, 2016 10:21 AM  

Gee, is it my my imagination or does it almost sounds as though Scalzi is admitting that the Puppies are nominating based on quality as a way of minimizing us?

An own goal is bad enough, not recognizing it worse, but to celebrate it? It's like the SJW's have discovered four dimensions of fail.

We'll need more faces and palms.

Blogger VD April 27, 2016 10:21 AM  

Soon even your press releases will be nominated...

In fairness, my press releases are more entertaining than most of the short stories nominated in the last ten years and nearly everything Scalzi has ever written.

Blogger VD April 27, 2016 10:22 AM  

Chuck Tingle has updated his Amazon bio - "Hugo Award nominee Dr. Chuck Tingle ..."

Mission accomplished.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 27, 2016 10:34 AM  

denektenorsk: "Oh no! SDL, you are the reason Martin didn't finish book 6."

No, he just stepped in to lead the parade.

/s

Anonymous FP April 27, 2016 10:35 AM  

Al Pacino to star in Space Raptor Butt Invasion the Movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvTpEoi0tzE

Anonymous Nathan April 27, 2016 11:05 AM  

And Rape Rape just doubled down on his "True Hugo winners award". Why cater to an electorate so apathetic that 3/4ths of the ballots fail to nominate in all categories?

Anonymous Quartermaster April 27, 2016 11:10 AM  

@FP
Aren't the guys that did Deliverance still available?

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream April 27, 2016 11:53 AM  

The pure fun continues. Best $50 I ever spent. Best use of an hour to fill out forms online.

And as a fillip, the Hugo nominee list is returning to its historic role of turning us on to great works that were unforgivably obscure. Dr. Chuck Tingle, your oeuvre is now receiving the attention your masterpieces deserve.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer April 27, 2016 11:55 AM  

I have kindle unlimited. I could actually get Space Raptor Butt Invasion for free, but I won't.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 27, 2016 11:57 AM  

I have to admit this was a pleasant surprise.

Given the number of ballots cast, I was wondering how well we were going to do this year. But the results aren't too different from last year.

We might not have quite as many runners this year because the narrative that they had already decided (from the looks of thing about a week ago) is that the Puppies are out of steam. Consequently they won't be able to scream quite as loudly at the weaker nominees this year.

The funniest thing was naturally Scalzi's article. I read the whole thing and clearly this is still all about him!

Yeah John, you and only you are the reason we get up in the morning. By the way nice timing on the article BTW. A full half hour before the nominees were announced.




Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2016 12:00 PM  

"Slammed in the Butt with My Hugo Nomination" is an early favorite to claim the top in the 2017 Hugos.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 27, 2016 12:12 PM  

From the comments section of Making Light:


Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: April 26, 2016, 02:46 PM:
Zvi @5:

RP non-'slate' here:

Conclusion: RP picks swept almost everything. Except novels (2/5).

Yup. Here we go again. The Pups are going to f*ck up another year's worth of Hugos. They have no more excuse for it now than they ever had before.
What's different: This year, the Pups salted their slate with some high-quality non-Pup nominees (in spite of furious objections from a number of them).

Well down Toadina! You've scouted out your primary, secondary and tertiary lines of exfiltration this time. This is much better than last year when you simply picked a hill to die on...And then died on it.

Two thoughts. First, I don't think the Pups did it to honor the non-Pup nominees' work. I think those names are there purely as protective coloration, and that the Pups are hoping to thereby avoid triggering the SF community's immune responses.

Two thoughts

First: HA HA HA (*gasp... wheez*) HA HA HA

Second: Yes, we live in abject terror of the SF community's immune responses.



Second, I don't think the Pups are actually going to vote for any of those camouflaging nominees. I think that when they cast their final ballots, they're going to vote for their own guys again.

SJWs Always Project

The Pups didn't go to all this trouble just so they could give Hugos to people who aren't Pups. They've come up with multiple contradictory excuses for what they're doing, but at bottom it's always been about getting Hugos for Pups.

Remind me, Oh Toadina, who won for best novel last year?

OpenID denektenorsk April 27, 2016 12:42 PM  

George takes more time from finishing book 6: http://grrm.livejournal.com/483848.html

Blogger VD April 27, 2016 12:43 PM  

The Pups didn't go to all this trouble just so they could give Hugos to people who aren't Pups. They've come up with multiple contradictory excuses for what they're doing, but at bottom it's always been about getting Hugos for Pups.

And that is why we win. Talk about violating Sun Tzu's dictum!

OpenID denektenorsk April 27, 2016 12:51 PM  

From Georges blog:

"In some of the online comments I've seen, these writers are being called "shields." I've even read some people calling for them to withdraw, simply because they were on VD's list.

Withdrawing is the LAST thing they should do.

I urge them all to stand their ground. They wrote good books, stories, graphic novels, they did NOT take part in any slate. In some cases they were largely unaware of all this. In other cases they explicitly denounced the slates ahead of time (Reynolds, again). Punishing them... demanding they turn down this honor... simply because VD listed them is insane. "

Last year wasn't all the rage to demand they refuse a nomination if the wrong sorts nominated them?

Anonymous MendoScot April 27, 2016 12:57 PM  

Sanderson exlains why he is not going to withdraw.

http://brandonsanderson.com/hugo-awards-2016/

"More importantly, I don’t believe I should be in the business of choosing which fans are allowed to like, or not like, my fiction. And this is a more important point I think we need to discuss."

Blogger evilphilip April 27, 2016 1:30 PM  

I'm actually curious about what the plan is for NEXT year now that the rules are changing. Would love to talk to you about how you want to approach this in the face of changing rules.

Blogger VD April 27, 2016 1:54 PM  

I'm actually curious about what the plan is for NEXT year now that the rules are changing.

If you've ever played Kingmaker from Avalon Hill, you'll know. Presumably less beheading, though. Probably.

Anonymous WinstonWebb April 27, 2016 2:24 PM  

George Rape Rape Martin declares:
"Rabid Puppies are 'big winners' of 2016 Hugos."

OpenID denektenorsk April 27, 2016 2:39 PM  

SDL! It has happened. "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" in Newsweek! http://www.newsweek.com/hugo-awards-dinosaur-erotica-story-just-got-nominated-prestigious-science-452912?rx=us

OpenID denektenorsk April 27, 2016 2:41 PM  

I'm actually curious about what the plan is for NEXT year now that the rules are changing. Would love to talk to you about how you want to approach this in the face of changing rules.

If it is open to fan voting then fret not. The only way to "save it" from the wrong type of fans is to prevent fans from voting. If there is a set of rules they can be gamed.

OpenID denektenorsk April 27, 2016 2:47 PM  

Chuck Tingle on his nomination. https://www.inverse.com/article/14881-is-chuck-tingle-and-his-hugo-nominated-dinosaur-erotica-a-sad-puppies-plant

They confuse Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies, but research is hard.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2016 3:36 PM  

Simply put, the new rules would require the anti-puppies to split their 1000 votes 5 ways and hope that the Ranid Puppies have less discipline than they do now....

It is suicide for them. If I am at the business meeting, I am totally pushing for its passage...don't tell them!

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2016 3:43 PM  

See, what they think they are getting with the new vote is a Tor faction, a queer faction, an oppressed faction and a women's faction, leaving us with one nominee per category.

But that doesn't prevent a a Gamer Faction, a Brony Faction, a Tingle Faction, a Trump Faction and a Rabid Faction, for instance...

Anonymous JB April 27, 2016 4:32 PM  

The Hugo's are now in the Tingleverse. This is clearly the work of Ted Cobbler.

Anonymous Be Not Afraid April 27, 2016 4:34 PM  

If we haven't gotten involved yet, we have to register for Midamericon to vote, yes?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx April 27, 2016 4:37 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:See, what they think they are getting with the new vote is a Tor faction, a queer faction, an oppressed faction and a women's faction, leaving us with one nominee per category.

But that doesn't prevent a a Gamer Faction, a Brony Faction, a Tingle Faction, a Trump Faction and a Rabid Faction, for instance...


This is going to be fun. Making E. Pluribus Hugo Great from the Get. Almost like a board game.

...the computer game moves nobles into packs more quickly and hunts any crowned official, so it is wise not to have your heir crowned as King prior to eliminating all competition. Highly playable your victories are ranked according to how fast you conclude the game and crown for victory. There are powerful nobles and factions that can be assembled with offices and the aid of the Church but there is frustration due to appointed nobles being called away just when you get them together and plague can wipe out promising nobles and heirs to the throne...

Blogger Dave April 27, 2016 4:41 PM  

Salon twitter account inadvertently Trumpifies the Hugos? Emphasis added.


3h3 hours ago
Salon.com ‏@Salon
Sci-fi’s Tea Party trolls go to war: Self-righteous voters want to bully their way to victory at Huge Awards


Already have the Donald Trump of SF why not the Yuge Awards to match?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx April 27, 2016 4:47 PM  

VD wrote:[Teresa Nielsen Hayden wrote:]The Pups didn't go to all this trouble just so they could give Hugos to people who aren't Pups. They've come up with multiple contradictory excuses for what they're doing, but at bottom it's always been about getting Hugos for Pups.

And that is why we win. Talk about violating Sun Tzu's dictum!


We must be sure to tell her, as before, in exacting detail what we are doing and why we are doing it. Then let the Three Laws of SJWs work their magic again and again.

Blogger James Dixon April 27, 2016 4:53 PM  

> If we haven't gotten involved yet, we have to register for Midamericon to vote, yes?

Yes, but only at the $50 level. You don't need to attend to vote for the Hugos. You do need to attend to vote in the business meetings.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 27, 2016 5:57 PM  

@16 Gorgo
You left off "4. Self Enrichment by pushing the Castalia brand."
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Idiot SJWs once pushed that as a way to get Vox out of the picture. Make him so successful he spent all his time counting money instead of kick their asses.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 27, 2016 5:59 PM  

@24 YIH
Only one name better than Chuck Tingle, and ironically, it wasn't a pseudonym:
Dick Trickle. No, for real.
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I once saw a folder. On the folder tab was the name "Wacker, Richard".

Blogger Didact April 27, 2016 6:07 PM  

Conan! What is best in life?!

To CRUSH your enemies, to see them DRIVEN before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

By that measure, life is very good indeed right now.

Blogger Didact April 27, 2016 6:11 PM  

By your word and will, Dark Lord, this was done. We stand ready to do your dark bidding once again.

... which is just my way of saying that I haven't had this much fun related to sci-fi in years. Taking the time to fill out that entire, ridiculously antiquated, online nominating ballot was totally worth it.

I can't wait to see what happens when the Hugo Awards committee suddenly realises that they're going to have to choose between giving pretty much everything a No Award, and nominating "Safe Space as Rape Room" and Space Raptor Butt Invasion as the best that the world of sci-fi has to offer. This should be a riot.

Blogger Duke Sagramore April 27, 2016 6:13 PM  

@72 Talk Trump into a whistle stop in KC and I'm there. USSS will take care of any SJW issues.

Anonymous Azimus April 27, 2016 6:46 PM  

The Forlorn Hope of Rabid Puppies has breached the citadel of the SJW! Who would've believed it? But can it be taken?

Anonymous Type 5 April 27, 2016 9:49 PM  

"Teresa Nielsen Hayden wrote: The Pups didn't go to all this trouble just so they could give Hugos to people who aren't Pups. They've come up with multiple contradictory excuses for what they're doing, but at bottom it's always been about getting Hugos for Pups."

Damn. The projection is so naked that I'm blushing.

Anonymous kawaika April 27, 2016 10:40 PM  

"
I'll also admit that seeing some of the stuff on the Rabid slate has tainted them by association for me. Even if they're things I like and know are good, and that I know were deliberately placed on the slate to get them voted down, they'll never be as pure and good as they once were."

apep727

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx April 28, 2016 2:32 AM  

kawaika wrote:"

I'll also admit that seeing some of the stuff on the Rabid slate has tainted them... they'll never be as pure and good as they once were."

apep727


Going through some of the comments, it's striking how disconnected they are, including GRRM- On the other hand, Best Pro Artist is a joke, Short Story is if anything weaker than last year, and Best Related Work is a toxic swamp.

It's too late tonight to go through the list category by category... We will have a Hugo packet eventually, which will make the process easier.


Good, sound like something to hold him to. A search on both pages (essay and 102 comments) failed to turn up:

rape
pedo
chil
boy
girl (one ref in sidebar to a tag 'suicidegirl')
sj

In their desire to virtue signal and cluck they have to studiously ignore the herd of elephants crapping all over their living room floor. Lies of omission.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit April 28, 2016 3:02 AM  

The campaigners to End Puppy-Related Sadness are true-blue fen who really care about award. The torling and CHORF puppy-kickers also care about the Hugoo, albeit for somewhat different reasons.

You, and the rabids simply have other fish to fry in this game.

That is why we lose and you win.

But because of the sheer monumental unfairness and bad faith employed by the CHORFs

I don't care.


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