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Sunday, April 10, 2016

SJW attack on Jim Butcher

This is one of the many, many reasons that an alternative to SJW-run Wikipedia is badly needed. To the admins' credit, at least it has been tagged as "persistent vandalism".

It seems to have less to do with his inclusion on the Rabid Puppies list than it does with some SJW activist with a particular axe to grind at a literary celebrity's expense, but it tends to demonstrate that anyone, no matter how publicly apolitical, is subject to SJW attack.
Personal life

Butcher was born in Independence, Missouri, in 1971.[1] He is the youngest of three children, having two older sisters. He lives in Independence, MO, and has one son.

[Information about Butcher's personal life redacted.]

Following Spencer's lead, the moderators of the /r/dresdenfiles sub-Reddit proceeded to threaten any posters making negative comments regarding Butcher with a ban and deletion of their content.[3]

Many Reddit users protested, alleging that the moderators' actions constituted censorship, a practice that is generally regarded as anathema by artists, authors, and others in the creative fields.

In response, the /r/dresdenfiles moderators proceeded to codify their censorship by requiring users meet certain requirements prior to being able to post comments and also that new users or users with 'unpopular' points of view must have their comments approved by a moderator before publishing.[4]

On or around April 9, 2016, several of Butcher's fans posted an open letter requesting that Butcher comment on the North Carolina transgender law. Other fans requested that Butcher adopt a more public stance, similar to the actions of Bruce Springsteen.

There have been many concerns by Butcher's fans that Butcher's books were not friendly to LGBT issues.[5][6][7]

The /r/dresdenfiles moderators proceeded to delete and censor all comments regarding Butcher's views on LGBT issues, under the posture that those comments were "spam" or "shitposts." [8]

The /r/dresdenfiles moderators proceeded to post in other sub-reddits regarding LGBT issues and political issues in order to discredit the legitimate concerns of Butcher's LGBT-friendly fans. [9][10]
This is the great challenge of crowd-sourcing, as we've already seen on The Complete List of SJW. The problem is less the purely destructive vandals, who are easily anticipated and blocked, than those who see an opportunity to hijack the platform and try to use it for their own particular interests.

It would be good if we were also able to identify people like the vandal responsible for adding this to the page about Butcher.

As a general rule, if it is even necessary for you to explain your position, let alone rationalize or justify it, it does not belong on a wiki. The moment you find yourself telling someone "well, this is okay because", the moment you even use the word "because", just stop and give it up. If it's not so absolutely obvious that there is no need to explain it, then it does not belong.

If you're going to contribute to The Complete List of SJW, an excellent place to find SJWs is to look for quotes in articles by SJW journalists. For example, this pair of articles by SJW journalist Tess Townsend, who is running interference for the LambdaConf no-platform campaign, exposes several SJWs. They will readily hang themselves by their own words through their endorsements of no-platforming people on SJW grounds.

Also, Cynic in Chief: a) email me and b) lock it down now. We need admins.

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49 Comments:

Blogger weka April 10, 2016 5:50 AM  

Ah, so Jim Butcher did not follow the crowdthink and co sign their social justice proclamations. Instead he wrote complex, honourable characters, some of whom are Christian.

The pointing and shrieking was inevitable. The novels are very good.

And Jim, one hopes, still banks the royalty cheques... for even if the SJW editors hates hates him forever, he makes money.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 10, 2016 6:36 AM  

He's not even really pro-Christian, just Christian friendly. But that was enough to summon the hivemind.

Blogger The CronoLink April 10, 2016 7:00 AM  

This paragraph was ended prematurely it seems:

It would be good if we were also able to identify people like the

Anonymous Steve April 10, 2016 7:05 AM  


On or around April 9, 2016, several of Butcher's fans posted an open letter requesting that Butcher comment on the North Carolina transgender law.


JackieChanWTFface.jpg

There have been many concerns by Butcher's fans that Butcher's books were not friendly to LGBT issues.

And Bob the Skull is, like, a creepy heterosexist peeping Tom. OMG RAEP CULTCHUR!

Also, it's well known that Harry Dresden goes around telling women to touch his magic staff.

Anonymous Jim Mortensen April 10, 2016 7:26 AM  

@2.
Yeah but in this particular warped mindset if you don't depict the Christians as venal and violent hypocrites; and instead depict them as indepth and nuanced characters just like everyone else in the book then its the equivalent of going round in real life and burning atheists at the stake or something (but only their right think atheists, cos they are the only true acceptable victims).
I have always loved the way Butcher has dealt with the topic of free will and the importance of choice, a piece early on in White Night and the foreword for The Warrior short story sum it up perfectly (and what was good in that shorty story is that when the main Christian character is fallible, he is fallible in an internally consistent way).
Butcher can also have a bit of fun, like Shiro the accidental Christian.
The villains are also equally in-depth. Mab's cruelty is shown to come from her extreme end of the spectrum survival of the fittest world view (which makes total sense when one of her functions is revealed), and not just vicious for the sake of it.
Even some of the Denarians appear to believe that they are actually doing the right thing, and can have deeper emotions like love and sacrifice.

And technically the books (im talking about Dresden Files since ive never gotten around to reading Alera) have all sorts of things to make the sjw types happy:

- a you-go-girl power female character who can go toe to toe with bigger men and scary monsters...though she is shown to have to work very hard for this ability, can get hurt/lose and when things go wrong she just moves on rather than wailing and damselling (strike 1)

- a rebellious blue/pink hair teenager who cant stand the restrictive nature of her religious parents...who grows up to become a functional member of society who still loves and respects her parents (strike 2)

- a black communist...who takes personal actions to do justice to his beliefs, and can admit he made mistakes, rather than putting on a Black Lives Matter t-shirt and grabbing a placard. (strike 3)

At least the Alphas and some of the Denarians might make the furry community feel represented.

Id thought it was weird that Butcher was left of the recommendations for that recent voting poll, seems they are going to make a concerted run at him. It obviously wont work but it was inevitable they were going to get around to him eventually.

Anonymous Steve April 10, 2016 7:37 AM  

seems they are going to make a concerted run at him. It obviously wont work but it was inevitable they were going to get around to him eventually.

Yar. Won't work because Butcher has Fuck You success and money. He never needed to suck up to SFF gatekeepers - he certainly doesn't need to jump into political bunfights because a handful of SJW's on Reddit or Facefart say so.

But they'll eventually come after every white man author, because white man. See: K. Tempest Bradford's recent fatwa. She has made it clear that white men and stairs are her natural enemies.

The SJW's will fail to get a reaction from Butcher and soon move on to softer targets.

And they don't get much softer than John Scalzi.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 10, 2016 8:13 AM  

5. Jim Mortensen

I suppose it's the urban fantasy thing.

Thanks to a couple of scribblers, the LBGTASDFQWERTYs think that that is their property. And all who enter, must bend the knee and pay obeisance to Shlongita; the God Who Insists He's Actually a Goddess.

Butcher is not towing that line and giving the defective women who read that junk boy on boy sex for them to dream lazily about.

What the hell is it with the Gamma Female and their obsession with gay male erotica? Normal women aren't turned on by that.

Blogger doug whiddon April 10, 2016 8:18 AM  

I have no idea what Jim Butchers politics are and I LIKE it that way.

Anonymous Dave April 10, 2016 8:20 AM  

And they don't get much softer than John Scalzi.

This is the source of his writer's block; attempting to write every character as LGBTBBWBBQ.

Anonymous Dave April 10, 2016 8:40 AM  

@Steve See: K. Tempest Bradford's recent fatwa. She has made it clear that white men and stairs are her natural enemies.

Escalators got wind of her stair hate and aren't gonna go down easy or up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PoeWPQPBfRc

Anonymous Baron Silas Greenback April 10, 2016 8:56 AM  

I saw Butcher one year at DragonCon. He was on a panel discussing his books and was asked if he was a Christian based on the positive portrayals of Christians in some of his books. I don't remember if he answered directly about himself, but I do recall him saying that the one-dimensional Christian characters in most books did not match what he had experienced in life. He wanted to create real characters, regardless of their beliefs. Obviously that is not acceptable to the SJW religion.

Blogger S1AL April 10, 2016 9:03 AM  

Butcher, as far as I can tell, is a true political moderate. The difference is that he doesn't seem interested in attacking either side, and he's a decent human being. This isn't the first time dumbbells has gone after him on this axis, and it won't be the last.

Anonymous Godfrey April 10, 2016 9:12 AM  

There is a lot of mental disorder among the masses. Those with week minds are VERY susceptible to the cultural rot spewed by the establishment. SJWs are the result of the evil. The SJW is the brainwashed minion or lackey eager to please.

Anonymous Godfrey April 10, 2016 9:21 AM  

@12
"[Butcher] is a true political moderate...a decent human being"

Ah... thus his "sin". To the SJW if your don't continually chant the slogans then you're an enemy.


Dear perverts, If my wife walks into a public bathroom and there is a man present, I'm going to walk in and drag you ^%$#*^@ psychologically disordered ass out. I'm not playing this game. I'm done.

Blogger Matamoros April 10, 2016 9:26 AM  

It seems that SJWs are trying their takeovers in the South as well, as witness at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.

University Student Government Plans to Force Out Pro-Trump Senator

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/04/09/student-government-plans-force-pro-trump-senator/

Any ideas of what non-students can do to push them out, Vox?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 10, 2016 9:29 AM  

Women can be the worst, Jim Jones's most dedicated acolytes were his white chick girlfriends, ever on the prowl for heresy, and per usual with female mammals fighting the never ending hierarchy battles. Find a cult leader you will find his female hatchet gals, even Beck when on top of his game had legions of fat white women organizing and thought policing his prayer rally.

Even though they are bullies I do think they are the weakspot in any cult you find, because they loathe and fear the concept of responsibility, it's why they are in a cult to begin with

Blogger Mad Dok Rob April 10, 2016 9:30 AM  

doug whiddon wrote:I have no idea what Jim Butchers politics are and I LIKE it that way.

This is a big reason I LIKE Butcher. I cannot stand most modernist sci fi, because I cannot take "progressive" politics being showed down my throat every page. Butcher is just fun. Oh, and I like that Chirstians are not automatically Hollyweird style Christians.

Blogger Escoffier April 10, 2016 9:40 AM  

Steve wrote:

Also, it's well known that Harry Dresden goes around telling women to touch his magic staff.

I'll have you know this is my go to move with the lovely ladies of comic con.

Anonymous Pooter April 10, 2016 9:50 AM  

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/10/thought-europes-muslims-gradually-blend-britains-diverse-landscape-known-better/

This report is by a black, former Labour politician and Equalities Commissioner, and I am stunned at his public turnaround. A lightbulb moment in 21st century British history?

Blogger The Other Robot April 10, 2016 9:52 AM  

From that second article:

Some say they think Yarvin applies to speak at conferences, especially those that use blind speaker selection processes such as LambdaConf, as a trolling tactic. "Now that he's done it twice, it's clearly a strategy," says Valerie Aurora, principal at diversity and inclusion consultancy Frame Shift Consulting. "The true purpose is to get a bunch of people angry and fighting on Twitter."

Ahhh, yes, that Val Hensen is another SJW ...

I had no idea that there was such a thing as a diversity inclusion consultant, but I guess I should have realized after I saw that fat half-savage wandering around the office.

Anonymous Jim Mortensen April 10, 2016 9:55 AM  

@6
It would be extremely satisfying if Scalzi's own mob turned on him, unfortunately I feel that behind the scenes he is enough of a networking snake oil schmoozer and knows where enough bodies are buried that he would have to do something fairly extreme for the established machine to turn against him.
My immediate guess is that after they cant get Butcher to respond they'll take a run at Sanderson, he has bad-think personal values and was snubbed from the latest recommendation list just like Butcher.
They might also try Rothfuss, they went after him in a mild way like 5 odd years ago for some hobbit stripper joke on his blog and got him to back down, so they might consider it time to make him abase himself again. That said all his visible charity work might make him too sympathetic a figure to try. (He also might've finally caught onto the game since he is a friend of both Butcher and the PA guys - who did a good job of rooting out the convergence in their organisation when they axed their game review wing and Ben Kuchera citing they wanted to focus on comics rather than 'empire building', and they rebelled against encroaching censorship by adding a comments section to each of their comics as other sites started removing comments completely)

Finally I could sadly believe that some snivelling capering fool might try dancing on Pratchett's grave for attention, though the backlash to that would be huge.

Anonymous Godfrey April 10, 2016 10:13 AM  

SJWs are high functioning morons. If the power elite promoted screwing roadkill in the middle of the street SJWs would enthusiastically chant the required slogans and demand your participation.

Want to understand the SJW mindset? Look to Jamestown.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 10, 2016 10:21 AM  

@18. Escoffier

That line actually works at Dragoncon.

Anonymous rat64 April 10, 2016 10:25 AM  

A suggestion for the list.
Give the individual on the list a 50 word response field.
moderate it for language.
IAW theory, an SJW would use that to double down and effectively establish their place on the list directly.

Anonymous Alsos April 10, 2016 10:25 AM  

OT: crowdfunding an SJW publishing house: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rosarium-publishing-the-next-level#/

"Like diverse scifi?" Only if it's actually good.

Anonymous Dyskord April 10, 2016 10:32 AM  

I suppose it makes sense that they're trying to thought police Jim Butcher. He like Brandon Sanderson and Brent Weeks havent been towing the line and are more succesful and wider read with a far larger and more solid fanbase than their list of approved authors like Anne Leckie. Also despite not being favored by their awards are better regarded.
I just hope Butcher doesn't try to placate the SJW crowd like Rick Riordan did with his feminist muslim character and making the emo son of Hades gay in Sword of Summer.
Or Joe Abercrombie who did a 180 within his The Shattered Sea series and relagated Yarvi to a side character into book 2 and 3 while pushing the Strong women narative a little too far like Rey in Star Wars VII.
These 3 and J.L Doty are far and away the current benchmark in SFF.

I already fear GRRM will have compromised ASOIF since he's marching to their drum.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner April 10, 2016 10:33 AM  

There have been many concerns by Butcher's fans that Butcher's books were not friendly to LGBT issues

You cant have an action/adventure, with actions having consequences, with realistic positive descriptions of GLBT. Ronda Roidy Rousey could probably take on all the bouncers in all the NYC gay bars as long as they came at her one at a time(I obviously meant fight them). For a magic based series,there would be people scrying with crystal balls on their exes, I know what would happen if a couple of rings of invisibility went on sale at a gay club(moaning Myrtle was not actually a ghost), Milo would pursue black magic & gays who normally try to prove their manliness by berating waiters would purposely become lycanthropes, only to find themselves were-kittens.

What the hell is it with the Gamma Female and their obsession with gay male erotica?

Fag hags get to hang out and be seen with far hotter guys than would ever give them the time of day, even going shopping. Have you seen some of the STR8 sad sacks holding women's purses in the mall? Well fag hags can hold their own purses.

He wanted to create real characters, regardless of their beliefs.

His next client Butch Cohen-Goldhiemstien is no longer able to stalk his ex boyfriend, who had fled to another dimension. The Ricky Lake show had accurate depictions of how gays are.

Anonymous BGKB April 10, 2016 10:36 AM  

I already fear GRRM will have compromised ASOIF since he's marching to their drum.

Compromised? It got rape raped.

Blogger Michael Maier April 10, 2016 11:39 AM  

Ronda Roidy Rousey could probably take on all the bouncers in all the NYC gay bars as long as they came at her one at a time(I obviously meant fight them).

Dude... get real.

Blogger lowercaseb April 10, 2016 12:20 PM  

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Blogger lowercaseb April 10, 2016 12:22 PM  

If it's not so absolutely obvious that there is no need to explain it, then it does not belong.

This is damn good wisdom. Consider me chastened and I will do better.

Blogger lowercaseb April 10, 2016 12:30 PM  

Mad Dok Rob wrote:doug whiddon wrote:I have no idea what Jim Butchers politics are and I LIKE it that way.

This is a big reason I LIKE Butcher. I cannot stand most modernist sci fi, because I cannot take "progressive" politics being showed down my throat every page. Butcher is just fun. Oh, and I like that Chirstians are not automatically Hollyweird style Christians.


Exactly, Michael Carpenter is a damn interesting character and one of the best written paladins ever.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 10, 2016 12:42 PM  

Whenever I come across one of these wiki edit wars, it's always astonishing how reliably anti-social these people are who claim to be fighting for "social justice" and who's politics could accurate be described as "socialist."

Look at Wikipedia. This had the potential to be a great benefit to humanity - a huge knowledge base available essentially for free, a gift from us to each other. It's the epitome of the old commie claim about "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need", except unlike, say, oceanfront real estate, knowledge is a field where that could actually work.

But it isn't working, and it's not capitalists or Christian fundamentalists or any of the other socialist boogeymen who are destroying it. It's so-called socialists themselves who vandalize, politicize, and generally degrade the thing.

Same with Open Source software. It's the socialists and social justice advocates who are damaging it.

Blogger Escoffier April 10, 2016 12:51 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:@18. Escoffier

That line actually works at Dragoncon.


If only emoticons were allowed dear lady.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 10, 2016 1:19 PM  

That line actually works at Dragoncon.

Yes, but apparently you have to be careful she's not lifting your wallet with her left hand while she's touching your magic staff with her right.

Blogger RobertT April 10, 2016 1:21 PM  

"shitposts."

Way to go Reddit.

Anonymous Steve April 10, 2016 2:56 PM  

Dave - Lol!

Jim - They bullied Joss Whedon off Twitter, so nothing would surprise me.

Escoffier - if that one doesn't work, you need to equip WAND OF FUCKING +2

Blogger Happy Housewife April 10, 2016 3:04 PM  

"What the hell is it with the Gamma Female and their obsession with gay male erotica? Normal women aren't turned on by that."

As a normal woman, I can tell you I'm flabbergasted. Just the thought of gay male erotica gives me the heebie jeebies. And it's not a subject I care to dwell on.

God bless Jim Butcher. Urban fantasy is usually rife with chapter long, graphic interspecies sex scenes mind bogglingly terrible plots. He's a bright light in a roiling sea of poo.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2016 3:16 PM  

I'm about 4 or 5 books into the Dresden files. Good stuff.

Anonymous Greg April 10, 2016 4:29 PM  

If I were Cynic in Chief, I'd be leaving it unlocked for a few days, in order to gather IP addresses of potential SJWs. Maybe map it out afterwards, and possibly use it for other projects.

Blogger Eric April 10, 2016 5:57 PM  

I have no idea what Jim Butchers politics are and I LIKE it that way.

I don't mind authors who don't try to hid their political views, though when I'm reading books for entertainment I don't want to be preached to. I eventually dropped Kevin Hearne for that reason - I was tired of wincing as shoehorned SJW-friendly characters into some otherwise stellar writing.

Blogger Eric April 10, 2016 5:59 PM  

Yes, but apparently you have to be careful she's not lifting your wallet with her left hand while she's touching your magic staff with her right.

As if you could find a woman at Dragoncon who was thin enough to reach your staff and wallet at the same time.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice April 10, 2016 8:40 PM  

8. doug whiddon April 10, 2016 8:18 AM
I have no idea what Jim Butchers politics are and I LIKE it that way.

THIS!!! I hate when entertainers stick their noses into social and/or political issues; just stick to your job (entertaining me) and I'll keep buying your product. Pick a side, and your product goes in the trash.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 11, 2016 12:42 AM  

As if you could find a woman at Dragoncon who was thin enough to reach your staff and wallet at the same time.

You're confusing Dragoncon with a standard Syffy con.

This and this are what you can find at Dragoncon (links semi-safe for work, depending on how many SJWs you have looking over your shoulder. Definitely safer than what Steve would post...).

Blogger Reallynewguy April 12, 2016 11:25 AM  

What kind of people DEMAND an author to say their views on every little political issue?

Blogger Reallynewguy April 12, 2016 11:29 AM  

Tranny crossdressers feel oppressed because they can't invade women's bathrooms. Waaaah!

Blogger Reallynewguy April 12, 2016 11:31 AM  

SJWS are about diversity of gender, sexuality, race. But the first hint of political diversity? They want to drive the heretic out!

Blogger Reallynewguy April 12, 2016 11:34 AM  

This is the problem with SJWS, if you're an author, enertainer, etc and your views don't line up, well that's just wrong. Realistically, most entertainers and authors will probably lean left. But I don't see anything like a protest or hounding of them for their views like SJWS.

Blogger Reallynewguy April 12, 2016 11:53 AM  

They need bogeyman to function. They can easily turn their own into "Right wingers" because they disagree on one issue, like Identity politics or gun control.

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