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Tuesday, April 05, 2016

Wisconsin results

This is your post to discuss the primaries in Wisconsin today. Poll average has Cruz ahead by 5 and Sanders by 3.

Preliminary exit polls show 7/10 GOP primary voters support the Muslim ban in Wisconsin. I doubt this matters much, however, as I expect many Cruz voters would support it too.

The best place for incoming results is Decision Desk HQ.

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Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 05, 2016 7:06 PM  

Trump for POTUS was paying out +400 today. We'll see where it is after he takes Wisconsin by surprise tonight.

Yes, I put my money where my mouth is.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 05, 2016 7:09 PM  

BTW, here are all the betting lines:

POTUS
Clinton - 250
Trump +400
Sanders +900
Cruz +1400
Kasich +2200
Ryan +4000
Biden +5000
Romney +20000

Democrat Candidate:
Clinton -1000
Sanders +600
Biden +3300

Republican Candidate:
Trump -138
Cruz +200
Kasich +600
Ryan +1400
Romney +10000

Anonymous A Visitor April 05, 2016 7:13 PM  

But but but Fox said that their exit polling show only 5% of voters said immigration is their top priority! RACIS!!!!!! MOAR IMMIGRANTS!!!! MOOOAAAAAARRRRR REFUGEESSS!!!!!!!! 3,000,000 MOAR!!!

Joking aside, come on Badger state! TRUMPENKRIEG!!!!!!!!!

Blogger SteelPalm April 05, 2016 7:18 PM  

Meh, I'm a Cruz supporter, but at this point, I just want Trump to win the nomination so he can smash the GOP Establishment.

Sadly, Cruz is turning into nothing more than a tool for the Republican leadership to foist someone like Paul Ryan on us.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 05, 2016 7:24 PM  

Question is, how will DNCe and GOPe finagle the delegates to crown Cacklepants and [To Be Determined Later] as the respective nominees? It's clear that the elites of each group have more in common with each other than with their base.

Uniparty not happy with the peasants.

Blogger Jourdan April 05, 2016 7:25 PM  

Wisc is prime Cuckservatopia territory. Look for a very large Cruz victory, and a surprising strong showing by the postman's son.

Blogger Jourdan April 05, 2016 7:26 PM  

@4 Wow, a Cruz supporter. Can you tell me what you like about him? He strikes me as a lawyer type who does the Jesus bit for the rubes, but maybe I'm wrong.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 05, 2016 7:28 PM  

Wisconsin is the most important primary that has ever been held in the entire history of the United States of America...this week anyway.

Next week it will be New York.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 05, 2016 7:33 PM  

There has been enough primaries at this point that a certain voting pattern has emerged.

Cruz does well in states where whites live next to whites. And NO, I do not just mean the NorthEast corrider. I mean anywhere where whites live next to whites. Cruz won in freaking Alaska where Trump had Palin stumping for him.

Trump does well in states where whites live next to non-whites.

Take from that what you will but that is the truth of it.

Blogger Eric April 05, 2016 7:34 PM  

Expect the worst, hope for the best. But please vote.

Blogger Jourdan April 05, 2016 7:35 PM  

@9 And the same is true on the D side.

Sanders does well in states where whites live next to whites.

Clinton does well in states where whites live next to non-whites (or non-whites are an absolute majority)

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 05, 2016 7:39 PM  

I understand the Apostle Kenneth Copeland hath anointed Cruzman-Sachs as next El Presidente - that's better than the bishop of Rome declaring Charlemagne to be Holy Roman Emperor. I wonder if the erections in Wisconsin are as famously orderly as those in nearby Illinoise (where Governors make your license plates).

Blogger SteelPalm April 05, 2016 7:43 PM  

@4 I like the same things about Cruz that I do about Trump; wants to stop illegal immigration and deport the ones that are presently here, drastically cut down on H1B visas, profile Death Cultists and smash their jihadis, and is a big supporter of the 2nd Amendment. (The last unquestionably moreso than Trump)

The question, of course, is how sincere each one is, and how far they will go to do it? I'm deeply suspicious of both Trump and Cruz in that regard. As everyone should be about any politician.

I used to be more confident in Cruz, but he hurt himself badly when he blamed the Soros thuggery on Trump.

At this point, it appears that Trump is the more popular of the two among primary voters and Cruz an unfortunate tool for the GOP Establishment to push someone like Ryan. So on that practical level, and to accurately represent the will of the party, I want Trump to win.

Blogger dienw April 05, 2016 7:44 PM  

Quite frankly,the Cruz supporters are being outed as either triggered fools at best or reprobates; we have moved beyond the necessity of pointing out Cruz's corruption, insider Goldman Sachs hand-puppet, and his use of whores. Anyone who thinks Cruz is honestly winning anything in Wisconsin is refusing to accept the contrary evidence:
UPDATE: Voting Machines Reported Flipping in Early Elections.
Wisconsin Voting Machines Fail to Count 1,000’s of Votes in Anti-Lobby Referendum
Meet Command Central, the People in Charge of Wisconsin Voting Machines

Source: Lame Cherry: Wisconsin Vote Fraud

Blogger Teri April 05, 2016 7:44 PM  

Trump takes enough delegates that Cruz can't call it a victory. Ford announcement about moving jobs to Mexico may sway a few votes. People are reporting heavy turnout, which tends to favor Trump. I guess we'll find out in a few hours.

Blogger dienw April 05, 2016 7:46 PM  


Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus cautioned supporters of Donald Trump who vocally disapprove of the GOP's delegate allocation and selection process.

"By the way, this is a nomination for the Republican Party," Priebus told 620 WTMJ in Wisconsin. "If you don't like the party, then sit down. The party is choosing a nominee."

Anonymous An Observer April 05, 2016 7:47 PM  

I think the race has shifted enough since there's only three candidates that Cruz's support is mostly reflected in polling, including his turn-out talent. So, 45% for Cruz is possible, but it's unlikely he sweeps Wisconsin's CDs and it's not that likely anymore that he outperforms his polling. His range in recent polling is 38-43%, while Trump's is 35-42%. And Trump has started outperforming his polling since the races narrowed to a small single-digit group of candidates.

Narrow loss for Trump or narrow win, but very close either way. There is no hidden reserve of support for the postman's son in any of the previous contests, and there's no sign that would suddenly change now.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz April 05, 2016 7:48 PM  

Gen Kong @7:39

Naw, In Wisconny they make you produce an actual valid Gov I'd to vote.

Blogger Eric April 05, 2016 7:49 PM  

After his abortion flub Trump seems to have finally said something so stupid even his most ardent supporters have taken pause. On the one hand I'm emotionally ready to say "burn it all down", but on the other it's very possible if Hillary is elected the country will turn into a shithole that works for enough people it will never get fixed. Venezuela Norte, in other words.

Blogger Ryby Tracker April 05, 2016 7:57 PM  

"Hypothetically, people who violate laws ought to be punished in some way"

That's not a "flub."

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 05, 2016 8:02 PM  

@19 Eric

On the plus side it could be Bernie.

The Fall will happen while we are still young and fit enough to fight.

Honestly I'm not all that keen about waiting around for 2032.

Blogger Patrick April 05, 2016 8:06 PM  

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Blogger pyrrhus April 05, 2016 8:06 PM  

@20 Yes, if there's a law against it, but no penalty of any kind, then there isn't a law against it, right!

Blogger Patrick April 05, 2016 8:09 PM  

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Blogger SciVo April 05, 2016 8:10 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Trump does well in states where whites live next to non-whites.

Take from that what you will but that is the truth of it.


Well, one of the implications is that in states that award delegates by Congressional district, Trump doesn't need as many votes per delegate, since they don't account for partisan lean. See: The GOP’s Wacky Delegate Rules Are Helping Trump

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd April 05, 2016 8:12 PM  

@20 "Hypothetically, people who violate laws ought to be punished in some way"

That's not a flub. Walking it back was a flub.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 05, 2016 8:13 PM  

@14 dienw

You've got to be kidding me.. Dominion Voting Systems?
You mean like Rafael Cruz Dominion ?

Blogger Timmy3 April 05, 2016 8:17 PM  

Cruz is now polling even with Trump nationally. Could it be a bit late? Still good news for Ted and bad for Trump. Trump needs to get his abortion policy right.

Blogger rumpole5 April 05, 2016 8:24 PM  

Trump-Cruze '16!

Blogger James Dixon April 05, 2016 8:25 PM  

> On the one hand I'm emotionally ready to say "burn it all down", but on the other it's very possible if Hillary is elected the country will turn into a shithole that works for enough people it will never get fixed.

Regardless of what the polls say, Trump has as much chance of beating Hillary as Cruz does, probably more. He has much wider appeal among the (presumed mythical by the press and pollsters) Reagan Democrats.

Blogger Eric April 05, 2016 8:28 PM  

The Fall will happen while we are still young and fit enough to fight.

Speak for yourself. When I was the age where I could have handled something like The Fall women had Big Hair and wore dolphin shorts. People still smoked at their desks at work, and if you said something crude enough to offend a female coworker (women weren't yet weaponized to take offense) your boss would say "Knock it off, asshole". That would be the end of it.

Anonymous O.C. April 05, 2016 8:36 PM  

Right up until noon I was still getting saturation-bombed with email from both the Kasich and Trump campaigns, reminding me to get out and vote today. In the Wisconsin primary.

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan: whatever. I mean, it's all flyover country, right?

Blogger Eric April 05, 2016 8:36 PM  

Patrick, the flub was reversing himself twice. Trump does this all the time on other issues, and it hadn't hurt him because people sort of expect that from politicians on periphery stuff. But abortion is something people on both sides care very much about. He's going to keep bleeding until he picks a side and gives people the impression he plans to stick to it.

Not that he will. He was pro-abortion his entire life up until about five minutes before he announced his candidacy. Anybody who believes Trump would act at all to curtail the abortion mill in the US is crazy.

Anonymous An Observer April 05, 2016 8:38 PM  

Cruz is not polling even with Trump nationally. In one recent poll Trump was at 38% nationally...but Cruz was at 31%. Not exactly "even".

Also, re: the 538 thing, Cruz is benefiting from the proportionality skew in early GOP contests this cycle. If they were all WTA, Trump would have hundreds more delegates and Cruz would have been blown out of the race mathematically back on Super Tuesday. There have been cycles where the early contests weren't so heavily proportional and that helped set up an early frontrunner.

Blogger VFM #7191 April 05, 2016 8:39 PM  

Eric wrote:Anybody who believes Trump would act at all to curtail the abortion mill in the US is crazy.

None of the other Republican candidates are going to do anything about abortion, either.

Anonymous An Observer April 05, 2016 8:40 PM  

Eric, by your logic Romney should have lost 10 million or more votes because he had the exact same "pro-abortion until the last five minutes" thing going on. But he didn't. He didn't get as many votes as he could have, but it was certainly not because of his waffling on pro-life/pro-abortion.

Blogger David Power April 05, 2016 8:48 PM  

Just as a Nation is not a Nation if it doesn't control its own borders, a Law is not a Law if there is no penalty for breaking it.

Trump need to stick with his gut no matter how much the cows moo at him.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2016 8:57 PM  

Abort immigrants at the wall.

That would win the election in a bipartisan triumph.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 April 05, 2016 8:58 PM  

Trump most certainly is pro-choice, which is why when he claimed to be pro-life he didn't realize that "women aren't responsible for their actions" is just as true on the right as it is on the left despite how utterly nonsensical that is outside the context of rape or incest where they are likely without agency.

I am getting the sense that Trumpentum is waning a bit and it will be enough to cause a contested convention. I hope Trump scrapes up a win even if it is a photo finish.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 8:58 PM  

Cruz does well in states where whites live next to whites.

What about New Hampshire?

Blogger Eric April 05, 2016 9:00 PM  

An Observer, Romney lost for a lot of reasons, but there's no doubt he should have done better among white conservatives. I assume abortion was part of that, either directly or the less direct "He doesn't seem very conservative."

But at least Romney had a position on abortion and didn't give people the impression he hadn't really thought about it until five minutes ago.

Anonymous An Observer April 05, 2016 9:07 PM  

No, he did in fact give that very impression, Eric. And again, there's a good ten million (at least) people who are strict on abortion (think it should be outlawed except maybe life of mother) and most of them vote Republican. And they did for Romney. They didn't stay home in any meaningful numbers. Romney played the lying game a little better, but nobody really believed his "conversion". Much like Trump, they looked at his attractive wife and adult children and figured he was a decent enough pick anyway and held their noses.

Blogger Eric April 05, 2016 9:15 PM  

We'll have to agree to disagree, then. Romney certainly changed his position to run run for the presidency, but he stuck with it throughout the campaign. I don't remember him changing it twice in the same interview.

Blogger Jourdan April 05, 2016 9:20 PM  

@40 - Eric, you are wrong. Yes, "Mitt" had a more consistent position on abortion, but it was just as plastic, focus-group-tested and mealy-mouthed as the rest of that sad excuse for a man.

As expected (myself included), exit polling shows a BIG WIN FOR CRUZ tonight.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 9:20 PM  

Trump need to stick with his gut no matter how much the cows moo at him.

Trump needs to keep it focused on immigration and trade, the two issues that sets him apart. He really wasted the last couple of weeks over abortion and tweets when the Belgium bombers handed him his issue on a platter. Instead he allowed the focus to go elsewhere.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 9:25 PM  

Well that's it. Drudge is now reporting Sanders and Cruz have taken Wisconsin. That was exciting.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 05, 2016 9:27 PM  

Cruz does well in states where whites live next to whites.

11B
What about New Hampshire?

Kasich spent so much time there, he could have declared residency.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 9:27 PM  

I didn't realize Wisconsin was so cucky. I thought since Trump did well in MI he had good chance in WI. But I never been to either state, so I have no first hand knowledge.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 05, 2016 9:27 PM  

Based on the exit polls and early results, it looks like I might have been a tad optimistic about Trump in Wisconsin. However, if he can come a close second despite his recent missteps, it wouldn't be a total failure.

A win would have been nice as it would have basically killed Cruise. However, it isn't the end of the world. The important states are still to come.




Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 9:33 PM  

@48 - Cruz will probably be eliminated from being able to reach 1237 by April 26. He could still win a contested convention, but in about 3 weeks he will reach the point where he is about mathematically eliminated from winning on the first ballot.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 9:35 PM  

Anyone from Wisconsin here? Is there a chance Democrats are voting in the primary for Cruz to hurt Trump?

Anonymous Random American April 05, 2016 9:36 PM  

"Flubs" about abortion....if you are thinking things through, for a republican or conservative today, such a thing shouldn't be possible, no matter what the candidate says other than "Abortions? Yes, and they're delicious!"

I get the moral revulsion to abortion(with or without religious underpinning), but I simply can't understand people who fall for the party/pundit gimmick of pretending it's a real issue for a presidential campaign, that people should treat as some all-or-nothing must-have thing...it's just another meaningless hoop to disqualify the "wrong", non-establishment people. It doesn't matter, all this attitude does is provide "gotcha" scenarios to try to hurt republican or conservative candidates.

The president has almost nothing to do with abortion policy. Even if the country had a full-on New Great Awakening and elected Nehemiah Scudder or Billy Graham, he would be fairly powerless on the issue except as a cheerleader, or making a few small changes in discretionary funds and such. For abortion to actually be a practical concern to a voter in a presidential election, it would take a federal law passing both houses, which he could then sign or not, and if he did, Supreme Court challenges would still have the last say. It's funny to me that Trump was trying to deflect to the issue of picking a Supreme Court Justice (or two or three). As far as the President and abortion go, that is actually far more important than a candidate's personal commitment to the issue. Matthews should have followed up there, instead of pursuing a forced "gotcha", if actually enlightening the public about real consequences of the election was the goal.

I understand a "one issue voter" on some levels, but to openly refuse to vote for anyone who doesn't agree 100% on an issue that they really have no say over anyway, is just ceding ALL ground out of spite. For abortion laws to change radically (beyond, say defunding planned parenthood abortions or the like), the people and culture will have to change, and the members of congress will have to change, and the Supreme court will have to change. It will be gradual, like it or not. Making abortion an all-or-nothing proposition when the support simply isn't there is political suicide as a voter.

Note, this isn't the same argument as regards immigration, IMO, as current circumstances and consequences are different, nor is it a call for "lesser of two evils" voting at all times. It's just the legal and social reality of the moment. The support is just not there right now to run on "no abortions ever", and the president has very little sway in that particular issue anyway. Having a strong, competent leader willing to talk real about immigration and globalism is far more important right now...too many more losses on those issues, and there will never even be a chance to change abortion law, unless the Mexicans do it eventually.

Anonymous Cheddarman April 05, 2016 9:39 PM  

Wisconsin has most of its diversity in milwaukee. Plenty of land there for building new housing to accomodate white flight out into the suburbs.

Blogger Teri April 05, 2016 9:43 PM  

There are big chunks of WI that haven't reported yet. Waukesha is going heavily for Cruz and seems to have the earliest results.

Blogger MycroftJones April 05, 2016 9:45 PM  

Dirty SOBs, the election stealers are keeping Trump below 30% so he doesn't get any delegates. Rotten.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 9:48 PM  

Cruz is the spoiler. The establishment will use him and then stab him in the back.

Anonymous johnc April 05, 2016 9:48 PM  

I understand a "one issue voter" on some levels, but to openly refuse to vote for anyone who doesn't agree 100% on an issue that they really have no say over anyway

It's the concept of the non-negotiable. You wouldn't vote for a candidate who believed in jihad or sharia law or was pro-choice for terrorism, even if as president he couldn't influence the existing laws.

Blogger Lazarus April 05, 2016 9:50 PM  

If Cruz is the nominee, it is better that Hillary win. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Armageddon, f*ck ya!

OpenID aew51183 April 05, 2016 9:51 PM  

If Cruz is the nominee, it is better that Hillary win

Agreed. NEVERCRUZ

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2016 9:51 PM  

Dems wouldnt switch on this one. Col. Sanders needed them.

Anonymous Red Comet April 05, 2016 9:52 PM  

In my experience Wisconsin has a lot of shitlibs and (even worse) hicklibs, basically low income white trash that librages to ever more extreme degrees to make up for the original sin of being born poor whites.

This kind votes Sanders and the soft conservatives desperate to not be called racists by them are the kind who vote Cruz.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2016 9:57 PM  

Cruz couldn't beat Clinton with one booger tied behind his backstab. The only thing that would be funny would be watching him creep behind her in the debates and pantsing her.

Headline: Ted? Hillary? Depends.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 9:59 PM  

If Cruz is the nominee, it is better that Hillary win.

I am starting to come around to that opinion. If Trump doesn't get it, I think it best that Hillary does win. Then hopefully she will appoint a SC justice that wants to interpret the 2nd amendment as not pertaining to an individual's right to bear arms, and other leftwing lunacy. Then the cucks will either have to cave in or take to the streets. If Trump doesn't get it, then hopefully it will get so intolerable that the remnants of the historic nation will have no choice but massive street unrest.

Blogger Random April 05, 2016 10:00 PM  

Democracy is stupid. Why must I be subject to the whims of idiots and pagans?

Burn it all down, all of it. God will keep his own.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:01 PM  

Cruz is the spoiler for the establishment. Obviously he's not smart enough to realize their promises are worth nothing.

Blogger Student in Blue April 05, 2016 10:02 PM  

From my experience in Wisconsin and in retrospect, I'm not surprised by the results tonight.

Blogger Eric April 05, 2016 10:02 PM  

The president has almost nothing to do with abortion policy.

Not directly, no. But indirectly, through SCOTUS appointments, of which the next president may have three or four, the president decides abortion policy.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2016 10:04 PM  

Even if Cruz wins, the unrest will be bad enough. He'll play the Goldman Child and produce no wall, and that'll be the end of it. It seriously does not matter if it is Cruz or Clinton.

Good news is it won't be Cruz. He is playing for something else, and I don't know what that is.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 April 05, 2016 10:05 PM  

I won't mind Cruz, he seems to get better tail than Bill Clinton, and he does it without the rape allegations.

Blogger Timmy3 April 05, 2016 10:05 PM  

Weird that any Republican nominee means Hillary should be the winner, when there's no guarantee Hillary will become the nominee with Sanders winning another state. You guys are nuts. I'll vote for Trump regardless if he isn't my preference. Hillary is absolutely the wrong choice for President and Sanders is worse. But I wouldn't mind if Sanders keeps beating Hillary.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2016 10:06 PM  

Supreme Court loves abortion and always will, Eric. Don't be silly.

Blogger Lew Rand April 05, 2016 10:07 PM  

Again back to we are getting so close to critical care, is the patient savable, and if not who do we want to take most the blame for it.

I still waiting on someone to tell me how any non DT Republican flips any state that went for Obama in 2012...

Blogger Eskyman April 05, 2016 10:10 PM  

Sad and disappointing. It appears to me that this is mostly The Donald shooting himself in the foot, but there's also the fact that Rinse Penis is from those parts.

Also the electronic voting really should be done away with, but it won't be, as it makes it so very easy to change the machines to generate the results you want. Bring back the hanging chads! Or maybe bring back hanging... there are a lot who would be much more honest if they were dangling from a lamppost!

Blogger Mandos April 05, 2016 10:10 PM  

Well call me a conspiracy theorist but I do not believe these results are genuine for a second. I mean come on, where are the massive Cruz rallies. 52 to 30 with a poll average of +5? Could the media barrage fire be that efficient right now after having failed to dismount Trump for the past nine months? One way or another Cruz gets more votes than he should.

More generally Cruz is counting on a contested convention and the establishment not daring to dismiss him for a parachuted candidate. His Achilles heel is that he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell against Hillary in the general, let alone Sanders if by impossible he was nominated.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster April 05, 2016 10:10 PM  

"If Cruz is the nominee, it is better that Hillary win"

If Cruz is the nominee, the Republican establishment will play the Canadian Card, and replace him with Bush.

Voting for Cruz is voting to lose.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 10:11 PM  

I still waiting on someone to tell me how any non DT Republican flips any state that went for Obama in 2012...

They don't. I don't think any non DT republican can even flip the southern Obama states like Fl and VA, let alone the northern ones like Ohio.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2016 10:11 PM  

Hillary's nuts must be sore from the succession of kicks she has been taking to them.

Preview of her DNC speech: "But...but...you promised!"

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 05, 2016 10:16 PM  

Cruz will be the nominee plus whatever cuck is needed to the VP spot to get him the delegates. Oh well. Saves me the bother of voting in Nov. And at least Hillary's win will represent an American stomping a foreigner so there is the bone for the nationalists.

Blogger Eskyman April 05, 2016 10:16 PM  

@68- Cruz is a cat's paw, he's only there to be replaced by the establishment's pick. He has no chance in a general election, but he won't even get the nomination. Once it goes to a contested primary, the fat cats will relax, pour another scotch & resume counting their money.

And before too long we'll no longer have any kind of sovereign nation, we'll be part of the North American Union. Which Heidi Cruz has been working on very hard for a long time.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2016 10:16 PM  

Who is surprised by these results? Wisconsin is drunker Minnesota. Who'd they pick?

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 10:17 PM  

Could the media barrage fire be that efficient right now after having failed to dismount Trump for the past nine months?

These have been Trump's worst two weeks of the campaign. He even admitted on Hannity last night that he regrets sending out that tweet of Cruz's fugly wife. His wife even told Hannity that Trump gets carried away on Twitter. Trump had a golden issue fall in his lap with Brussels. Just two months prior he was pilloried by the NYT for calling Brussels a hellhole. But he was proven right and and he has been the most outspoken on not taking refugees or even muslim immigrants. But instead of running with this and cementing his lead, he went off course on twitter and the stupid "lyin' Ted" shit.

He now gets New York in two weeks which should put him back in the win column. The next few battles are in states were he has a lead. If he tightens his game and wins those states, Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from a first ballot win three weeks from tonight.

Hopefully for Trump the Mohamedans will strike again, and this time he will keep that issue front and center.

Anonymous VFM #7634 April 05, 2016 10:20 PM  

Way, way too many cucks in Wisconsin. /smh

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:22 PM  

@62
Hello McFly... The definition of "Cuck" is someone who caves in.

However I have to admit that all the opposition to Trump is the most energy I've EVER EVER EVER seen out of the Republican establishment.


PS Israel has a wall.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:24 PM  

@78
Bing! You win the prize.


PS Israel has a wall.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 05, 2016 10:26 PM  

We would be lucky if the problem was only the Republicans caving in. The Trump candidacy has revealed most of the establishment to be devoted leftists.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 10:28 PM  

@82 - No it's not. A cuck is a person who settles for the status quo. A cuck would be someone who happily supports the existing system rather than risk harm to himself, or God forbid being called a racist, anti-Semite or whatever other term is out there.

If the the GOP base is too cucky to go with the only real reformer out there, then by all means let them have their noses rubbed into the ground by the other side until the lose their cuckiness and begin to fight back. I am tired of always being on the side that has been in constant retreat since I've been alive. I am tired of the gradual change that is consistent and unrelenting. If getting Hillary elected is what it will take to make our base take to the streets like their forefathers, then so be it.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:28 PM  

@84
LOL.. I stand corrected. You Sir are spot on.

Anonymous VFM #7634 April 05, 2016 10:28 PM  

@80 11B

The media has been making a bit fat-ass deal about the retweet, but it's complete BS. If Trump hadn't done it, they would have jumped all over him for some other non-issue they'd have dug up. I mean, it's ridiculous. Saying he destroyed his campaign over a retweet in retaliation for something Cruz did, but was never called out on?

Then you have idiots like Scotty on the other thread claiming to be rejecting Trump over it. He was never going to support Trump. Again, he'd have made up a different excuse. Extolling the virtues of the bankster Heidi Cruz?

I fully expected Wisconsin to go for Cruz, for the simple reason that both Minnesota and Iowa chose Cruz over Trump, and Wisconsin is full of the same type of people. Heck, Minnesota was the only state that Little Marco actually won, so go figure that one out. Most of Marco's potential voters in WI went for the Canadian instead.

Meanwhile, Trump is routinely polling over 50% in N.Y., but of course, that doesn't count. No, instead it's that Trump's campaign is dead because he lost a state that was never going to vote for him anyway.

Blogger Josh April 05, 2016 10:33 PM  

Trump is getting crushed. What a loser.

Blogger Alexandros April 05, 2016 10:33 PM  

That's right, pick the 'lesser evil' because of his stance on the issues

Hillary and Cruz are the same candidate. It blows my mind how anyone cannot see this.

Enjoy your new war in the middle east; your native boys will have their bodies pile up to the sky while barbarian savages breed with the women back home now that Russia has the strength to play the afghanistan card on you.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:34 PM  

@85
I too have watched the Republicans surrender for my ENTIRE life. But you have to realize that that is merely their role. That's their purpose.

*** They are the fake opposition Party.***

Anytime real opposition arises they go in FULL attack mode to put it down.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 10:35 PM  

@87 - Where Trump failed was not relentlessly running with the Brussels issue. Trump proved last summer that he could force others to talk about his issues even when they wanted to ignore them. Hence he made the GOP talk immigration and the amnesty guys got knocked out one-by-one. I thought he'd be non-stop Brussels, but instead he kept harping on "lyin' Ted" That shit is getting old. Going on Matthews was a mistake. Matthews is a former staffer for Tip O'Neil! Matthews has that rat-a-tat-tat delivery style where you can't get a word in edge wise. That was a huge mistake to go on MSNBC (poor ratings) against a party hack like Matthews.

Trump needs to remember what got him here. He needs to keep talking immigration, trade, terror, etc.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:36 PM  

@89
LMAO... right on. The question is will it be Goldman Sachs candidate "A" or "B"?

Blogger Eskyman April 05, 2016 10:36 PM  

@88- LOL! Thanks Josh, I needed a laugh!

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 10:36 PM  

just came with a great theory, write this one down, the "advice" that is given in politics is usually I find purposely bad advice to trip candidates up, if any sincere people are running I would tell you that 90% of the "advice" that you get is people actually trying to trip you up, ... the reverse doesn't hold though, the haters I think acutally do kind of hate the candidates too so they are in a tough spot

Anonymous AmStrat April 05, 2016 10:39 PM  

Raid on the Cruz HQ thwarted, with some damage, actually. Still, the Trump HQ stands tall and unblemished.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:42 PM  

@88
Maybe so, but he's ripped the mask off the Republican Party establishment and shown it for the fraud it is.

In my book that makes him a winner.

Blogger Jack Hanson April 05, 2016 10:46 PM  

So does Trump have to win NY by a gorillion points next week to prove he's competitive still despite Cruz appealing mostly to people who think Scripture says your sons need to be blown up for Israel? Or are we just going to ignore the Northeast?

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Blogger Mandos April 05, 2016 10:46 PM  

@80
Cruz never had a shot at winning on the first ballot anyway. He is counting on a second ballot nomination, hence the backdoor delegates game he is trying to play.

But he is a fool. What kills me is that Cruz supporters, totally focused on their hate for Trump, fail to grasp that what awaits Cruz is one of the three following outcomes:

- Getting screwed at the delegates game in Cleveland with birth issue as the main excuse to get rid of him
- Getting crushed by Hillary in the general (muh Bible Belt nutjob)
- Getting elected by some unforeseeable miracle, to find himself being nothing more than a dislocated puppet for the establishment, hated both on the right and on the left and bound to explore unprecedented lows in approval ratings.

It is sadly ironic that the divide & conquer game played by the establishment in hope to secure a Bush or Rubio nomination only ended up separating Cruz from Trump. Had these two maintained their initial non-agression stance, the primary would be over and the general election would look awfully bad for the Democrats.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:49 PM  

@97
Didn't you know? If we a WWIII worldwide nuclear holocaust Jesus will show up? Don't you read scripture. Cruz is mentioned right there... duh?

Anonymous Andrew E. April 05, 2016 10:51 PM  

Trump is facing hundreds of millions of dollars being spent against him along with all institutional support in the country. He's being attacked from all sides 24/7, expecting 100% message discipline is impossible. Everyone in the world already knows that Trump owns the issues of immigration, trade and terrorism. Cruz's sex scandal will break wide open at some point in the coming months and Trump will look downright prophetic with his Lyin' Ted, just like he has with Muslim terrorism and job outsourcing.

Bottom line for me is it's in God's hands at this point. If He decides that America deserves more time he will open a path through Trump's enemies and Trump will ascend to the Presidency. If not, it's President Clinton and then brace yourself.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 05, 2016 10:52 PM  

@99 I assume Cruz and his supporters would be satisfied with the third outcome. As long as the borders are open and there is money for foreign wars and insiders' pockets, the GOPe's wishlist is complete. And the and file get to hear some Jesus rhetoric. Everyone is happy except for native whites who have any desire to preserve their autonomy and culture.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 10:54 PM  

It is sadly ironic that the divide & conquer game played by the establishment in hope to secure a Bush or Rubio nomination only ended up separating Cruz from Trump. Had these two maintained their initial non-agression stance, the primary would be over and the general election would look awfully bad for the Democrats.

Recall early on after Iowa the talk was anti-establishment voters (Cruz, Trump, Carson) versus the establishment voters (Bush, Rubio, etc.). And though no one won 50%, the anti-establishment outpolled the establishment.

Now all I hear is that the vote is split between Trump voters and neverTrump voters. And all we are told there are more anti-Trump voters than Trump voters. That's bullcrap. This election was always about the outsiders trying to oust the establishment. But Cruz then allowed the establishment to co-opt him and suddenly the primary vote is between Trump and neverTrump of which Cruz is the big part. Gone are the days when Cruz was part of the anti-establishment. My guess is he was never part of the anti-establishment anyway

Blogger Teri April 05, 2016 10:56 PM  

Cruz supporters don't seem to understand what those You Tube videos of his dad would do to his chances in a general election. It's like they really don't believe Cruz is an evangelical. They are virtue signaling that they aren't part of the Dirt people.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 10:57 PM  

@97 - So does Trump have to win NY...

Jack, though Trump is up big, he is projected to take 60 of the 90 delegates in NY. Cruz, if he gets 30% will still take 30 delegates. It's too bad NY is not winner take all.

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 10:57 PM  

Cruz is a fraud. He's allowed himself to become a tool for the establishment.

A vote for Cruz is a vote for the establishment.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 05, 2016 11:00 PM  

If Trump is not on the ballot in November---I'm not voting. Period. The Globalist face of the Repuke party has shown itself. It is openly hostile to any Nationalist/populist/American First movement and it will shut it down. I'm NOT voting Republican ever again. My vote only goes to a Nationalist. And right now the demographics are against any sort of European majority vote and as we see in Europe, Most Europeans are glad to genocide themselves out of existence--same here in America. As we see in Idaho and Wisconsin, a lot of White Europeans are liberal weenies. I know because most of the Tea Party here in Southwest Michigan are liberal weenies. They run from the "racissss" card. No nationalism for them and most of them are Cruz supporters. So... its the demographics. With Cruz stealing delegates from Trump the second and third voting at the convention will take away from Trump. This makes me sick to my stomach. It's all disgusting!

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 11:02 PM  

On a side note, apparently Missouri has finished counting the vote. They have 52 delegates. Trump had 25 to Cruz's 15. But now Trump will apparently pick up the remaining 12 delegates.

Does anyone have any info on this?

Anonymous Godfrey April 05, 2016 11:03 PM  

In Cleveland the Republican establishment should just nominate Hillary. Why not? She's basically their candidate and she aligns very well with the platform of war, more war, immigrants, more immigrants and ever more crony "capitalism".

Anonymous VFM #7634 April 05, 2016 11:04 PM  

It is sadly ironic that the divide & conquer game played by the establishment in hope to secure a Bush or Rubio nomination only ended up separating Cruz from Trump. Had these two maintained their initial non-agression stance, the primary would be over and the general election would look awfully bad for the Democrats.

@99 Mandos
Trump could've offered Cruz the Supreme Court job, since AFAIK there's no requirement to be a natural-born citizen to be on the SCOTUS.

And Cruz, despite his faults, is a much better candidate than either Juan McAmnesty or Mittens were. But the antics of Cruz's supporters, the GOPe, and the holier-than-thou #NeverTrump dorks backing him against Trump have completely turned me off to him.

And that's not even getting into his not being a natural-born citizen.

Cruz's sex scandal will break wide open at some point in the coming months and Trump will look downright prophetic with his Lyin' Ted, just like he has with Muslim terrorism and job outsourcing.

@101 Andrew E.
The newsmedia is covering for Cruz. This is exactly why they made the big stink about Trump's retweet: to draw attention away from the Enquirer article.

If they can cover up Hillary Clinton's or Bathhouse Barry's skeletons in the closet, they could certainly bury Cruz's misdeeds.

Or maybe they'll wreck Cruz if he steals the nomination from Trump and goes up against Hillary.

Anonymous VFM #7634 April 05, 2016 11:05 PM  

@108 11B

Yes, Trump officially has 37 delegates in Mo., and Cruz 15.

Blogger Lazarus April 05, 2016 11:07 PM  

Andrew E. wrote:Bottom line for me is it's in God's hands at this point. If He decides that America deserves more time he will open a path through Trump's enemies and Trump will ascend to the Presidency. If not, it's President Clinton and then brace yourself.

I am not privy to the mind of God, but it does seem to me that history suggests His bias is anti-empire and anti-global.gov, unless it be the Kingdom, so I would tend to recommend one brace.

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 11:10 PM  

Most Europeans are glad to genocide themselves out of existence--same here in America.

That's why you should hope that a Hillary or Bernie victory in November makes life so unbearable they will have no choice but to become more aggressive in seeking redress.

I've always been puzzled by the quote from Mao that "power flows through the barrel of a gun". It seems logical. But given in the USA the side that is armed to the teeth is constantly losing to the side that is afraid of guns, it seems to be contradicted in modern America. So I wonder what will happen if the Supreme Court ever votes to consider the 2nd amendment a group right and not an individual's right to own bear arms.

With Scalia the court stood 5-4 in the two most recent gun cases. But if Bernie or Hillary puts another Ginsberg on the court, conceivably the 2nd amendment could essentially be overturned. How would the GOP base react? Would they comply, or would they revolt? And if they did revolt, would this be a precursor to a bigger revolt that not just turns back that decision, but corrects other problems that have been festering for decades?

Anonymous anticuck April 05, 2016 11:15 PM  

Im from WI and whoever said Trump does best in states where whites live next to nonwhites is spot on. WI is almost entirely white, most people here simply have no exposure to multi culturalism and the media of course whitewashes everything so people think "diversity is our strength". I imagine most Cruz supporters would be more open to trump if they wren't naive to the fact that we're in a demographic cold war.

The fact that the states airwaves sounded like nazi germany spewing anti-trump propaganda 24/7 plus Walker and every establishment cuck supporting Cruz didn't help either.

Blogger Lazarus April 05, 2016 11:15 PM  

Josh wrote:Trump is getting crushed. What a loser.

Seriously, Josh. Your butthurt about the easily predictable failure of the Paulist Libertarian Revolution is unbecoming. A Southron Gentleman should exhibit more class.

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2016 11:16 PM  

Looks like Trump will get 6 delegates from winning Congressional districts 3 and 7. No returns from CD 4 yet, but that's Milwaukee.

Blogger 744 Bosoms of Liberty April 05, 2016 11:17 PM  

Josh wrote:Trump is getting crushed. What a loser.

It's those damn Cunningham cucks and their ilk. Ralph and Potsie know to vote Trump.

Anonymous traddadof4 April 05, 2016 11:17 PM  

1)Ted Cruz only Wins States with Racial Demographics of 1950s USA.
2)Wisconsin is liberal for the same reason Ireland is liberal.
3)Cruz will never get my support because he blamed Donald's inability to hold a rally in Chicago on Donald's "tone". If you don't realize those people are THE problem, what good are you?

Anonymous Karl Rove, Laughing All The Way To The Bank April 05, 2016 11:23 PM  

W. Lindsey Wheeler
If Trump is not on the ballot in November---I'm not voting. Period.

Oh, noes! All is lost! What shall we do? What shall we do?

We may lose the critical Wheeler vote!

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 05, 2016 11:24 PM  

WLW:
If Trump is not on the ballot in November---I'm not voting. Period. The Globalist face of the Repuke party has shown itself. It is openly hostile to any Nationalist/populist/American First movement and it will shut it down. I'm NOT voting Republican ever again. My vote only goes to a Nationalist.

Wheeler you pretty much took the iron pill long ago. You surely don't think Trump got to be a billionaire in the rigged debt-racketeering referred to my morons like Limbaugh as the "free-market" without serving the masters of the universe, do you? Yes, it's been the most entertaining Kabuki play in a very long time, but I have to wonder if Trump plans to self-destruct the same way Perot did. Maybe he really is betraying his class in which case they'll do everything in their power to stop him including murder. The one good thing about the whole farce is that it has opened at least a few eyes to the truth about the Gay Old Pedos - they're the R-squad of the same team the D-squad plays for: Team Bankster. As for Cruzman-Sachs, Heidi tells you all you really need to know about him. 100% guaranteed fake. A classic Repuke - would be surprised if pix surfaced of Apostle Copeland, Cruz and Narco Foamio in the hot tub, perhaps with Hi-Fellatin' Frannt tossed in for good measure.

Anonymous Craigp April 05, 2016 11:26 PM  

it might be my fault though, I bet if I supported Cruz then everyone would be going for Trump, its this weird thing that happens, I might be nuts but I really think a lot of what goes on in the media is driven by the attempt to piss me off, maybe I am wrong though

Anonymous The GOPe, Laughing All The Way To The Club April 05, 2016 11:27 PM  


Not directly, no. But indirectly, through SCOTUS appointments, of which the next president may have three or four, the president decides abortion policy.


That's what we told you rubes in 1980, and 1984, and 1988, and 1992, and 1996, and 2000, and 2004. You suckers believed us, too, and even gave us a Republican Congress and White House.

How did that work out, suckers?

Anonymous The Beer That Made Milwaukee Famous April 05, 2016 11:29 PM  

Who is surprised by these results? Wisconsin is drunker Minnesota.

PACK-ERZ!

Anonymous VFM #7634 April 05, 2016 11:30 PM  

@118 traddadof4

1)Ted Cruz only Wins States with Racial Demographics of 1950s USA.

The overall pattern is that Cruz and Sanders win a state if it's over 80% white, while Trump and Hillary win if it's less than 80% white. But there are also regional patterns, such as the snooty Upper Midwest or the Mormons looking down their noses at Trump because he's Not Nice.

2)Wisconsin is liberal for the same reason Ireland is liberal.

That might apply to Massachusetts, but Germany would be more appropriate for Wisconsin.

3)Cruz will never get my support because he blamed Donald's inability to hold a rally in Chicago on Donald's "tone". If you don't realize those people are THE problem, what good are you?

It's only consistent with Cruz representing naive whites who have never lived around large numbers of nonwhites and who consequently have never faced concrete penalties for being nice, civil, and above-it-all.

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Anonymous VFM #7634 April 05, 2016 11:35 PM  

The fact that the states airwaves sounded like nazi germany spewing anti-trump propaganda 24/7 plus Walker and every establishment cuck supporting Cruz didn't help either.

@114 anticuck
That's funny considering that Wis. is the most German state in the Union.

Yes, it's been the most entertaining Kabuki play in a very long time, but I have to wonder if Trump plans to self-destruct the same way Perot did.

@120 Gen. Kong
Nah, I think they're relying on the newsmedia bitching about very minor things like a certain retweet, or making things up like GrabGate. The seething hate backed by a hundred $million thrown at Trump simply never existed with Perot, which suggests to me that Trump is for real and has no plans to take a dive.

Anonymous Craig April 05, 2016 11:37 PM  

but if the motivation is to piss me off I have to imagine, that cant be sustained over a long period time, im sure people have mre imporatnat things to do with their lives then sitting around trying to come up with ways to piss me off,

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2016 11:37 PM  

The AP has returns with percent reporting by CD, which is one of the few things missing from The Green Papers

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Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 11:40 PM  

Slightly OT, but how do posters here feel about Cruz being born in Canada? Doesn't it violate the spirit of the Founder's intent, if not the law? For people who regard the Constitution like the Bible (Glenn Beck) doesn't it seem that being born in another country violates what the Founders had in mind?

Anonymous 11B April 05, 2016 11:41 PM  

Cruz just rode in like a white knight to save the establishment.

That is actually not a bad theme that the Trump people might want to run with. They need to let people know a vote for Cruz is a vote for the establishment.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 05, 2016 11:43 PM  

@118 You underestimate the 1950s. NY and LA were whiter then than Omaha is now. And Milwaukee is only 1/3 white so I am not seeing Trump's loss being a result of whites living in blissful isolation.

Blogger Alexandros April 05, 2016 11:44 PM  

No Patrick, remember that Cruz is the establishment's worst nightmare! He's the mormon prophecy in the flesh! He will save you from those dastardly bankers and evil politicians!

First item on the agenda is to protect Israel by starting world war 3 with russia and exterminating all Christians in the mid-east.

Blogger praetorian April 05, 2016 11:44 PM  

Cruz cubanuck-cucked Wisconsin?

That really rustles my rofumo.

Anonymous The Cat, Out Of The Bag, Running Down The Road April 05, 2016 11:46 PM  

Slightly OT, but how do posters here feel about Cruz being born in Canada?

What, after all, difference does it make?

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 05, 2016 11:48 PM  

@130 In a healthy society, we wouldn't even get to the Constitutional argument. He was born to a Cuban father in Canada and long held Canadian citizenship. Even his American mother is part Italian. He is an outsider and shouldn't even be a consideration for any self-respecting native.

Anonymous johnc April 05, 2016 11:52 PM  

If Trump loses he has nobody to blame but himself. He couldn't even be bothered to familiarize himself with the policy positions on his own website, not to mention contradict his own statements on a regular basis. And then you have the times that he makes a joke of himself, like when he says he's going to pay down the debt within 8 years, or that the top three roles of the federal government are security, healthcare, and education. Or when he says that he's going to appoint a Supreme Court justice to look into Hillary's emails.

Blogger Teri April 05, 2016 11:54 PM  

Well I guess the good thing is that we won't have to pay any more attention to Wisconsin for awhile.

OpenID randkoch April 05, 2016 11:55 PM  

11B wrote:Slightly OT, but how do posters here feel about Cruz being born in Canada?

Doesn't bother me. It would be different if he was born as other than a U.S. citizen, but I don't buy that he was. The founders' intent was about loyalty. That's not an issue if he never thought of anything other than an American.

Besides that, I don't Cruz him disqualified. I greatly prefer Trump but Cruz is better than any of the others. I don't want Cruz out of this race until after Trump safely has a majority of delegates. There's too much that can go wrong at this point.

Anonymous VFM #7634 April 05, 2016 11:56 PM  

@136 Bobby Farr

Sure, but he won over millions of Americans with that deep-fried Texas accent.

It's just one more example of how Cruz voters make their choice using feels just as much as Democrats.

Anonymous 11B April 06, 2016 12:03 AM  

I don't want Cruz out of this race until after Trump safely has a majority of delegates. There's too much that can go wrong at this point.

That's the problem. Cruz has a good shot of preventing Trump from getting the 1237 magic number. Cruz almost ensures we will have a contested convention. If Cruz left tomorrow, Trump would easily hit 1237 and there is nothing the establishment could do. Cruz knows he won't get 1237. But he thinks he will take it in round 2 of a contested convention. All he will do is ensure neither he nor Trump get the nomination.

Cruz needs to remember he is only 45. He could wait out a Trump presidency and then run. He would still be quite young. Now he risks mucking up the whole reform movement

Blogger dh April 06, 2016 12:04 AM  

Biggest news here is that Sec. Clinton only won Milwaukee county by a few percentage points representing a few thousand votes. This was supposed to be her best county because of the black population. That is a signal that her support among black voters is being eroded by Sen. Sanders. Especially since there are a string of states coming in with less than huge black populations.

Anonymous 11B April 06, 2016 12:07 AM  

He couldn't even be bothered to familiarize himself with the policy positions on his own website, not to mention contradict his own statements on a regular basis.

I must admit I thought a Wharton graduate would be more on top of the details. I still like Trump, but my idea of a Wharton grad is somewhat different than what Trump presents.

Blogger Elocutioner April 06, 2016 12:11 AM  

@128 SciVo - http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/WI-R#0405

The AP has a more detailed breakdown though.

So with 36/42 delegates - 86% - Cruz remains on path to lock up the delegate count...

Blogger The Other Robot April 06, 2016 12:19 AM  

Did Wisconsin vote for Bill Clinton? They certainly seem to like adulterers.

Blogger pyrrhus April 06, 2016 12:26 AM  

@144 Delusional. If Trump wins NY and CA, Cruz has no chance...

Blogger pyrrhus April 06, 2016 12:26 AM  

But Trump-Cruz becomes very viable....

Anonymous Spartan April 06, 2016 12:28 AM  

@51 "[Abortion is] just another meaningless hoop to disqualify the "wrong", non-establishment people."

At least half of the establishment is Democrat, and abortion on demand is the law of the land by Supreme Court decree. That's as establishment as it gets, but you appear to mean "non-establishment Republicans" here. Leaving Trump out of it for now, what non-establishment Republican presidential candidates since Reagan have been disqualified based on their support for abortion?

"The president has almost nothing to do with abortion policy."

Not true, given that Roe v. Wade is the cornerstone of it, and the president nominates Supreme Court justices.

"For abortion laws to change radically (beyond, say defunding planned parenthood abortions or the like), the people and culture will have to change, and the members of congress will have to change, and the Supreme court will have to change."

The same could be said for all major policy shifts, and the pro-life movement recognizes it. It's not as if they're moving only on the presidential front.

"Making abortion an all-or-nothing proposition when the support simply isn't there is political suicide as a voter."

Much like with immigration policy, the problem with abortion policy hasn't been on the voter end.

"Note, this isn't the same argument as regards immigration..."

Actually, your argument works better regarding immigration. Immigration is much more of a third rail for the establishment than abortion is. As Buchanan and Trump have shown, it's much easier to get yourself disqualified by the establishment for heresy on immigration than it is for anything you might say about abortion. The president also has less formal power over immigration policy than he has influence on abortion (via Supreme Court nominations), assuming one ignores the lawlessness of recent administrations, which is, sadly, a lot to ask.

"Having a strong, competent leader willing to talk real about immigration and globalism is far more important right now...too many more losses on those issues...."

Agreed, but I'd say we've had the same amount of losses on all three issues.

Blogger Teri April 06, 2016 12:33 AM  

I don't see any way for Trump and Cruz to kiss and make up. And since Cruz is the establishment guy, you wouldn't want him as VP. Too much incentive for an assassination attempt.

At what point can we just ignore Kasich? He doesn't seem to have been a factor at all tonight.

Blogger pyrrhus April 06, 2016 12:35 AM  

Let's not exaggerate, the states that are heavily Scandinavian/Liberal are not going to be fans of Trump, in general....

Anonymous 11B April 06, 2016 12:39 AM  

Let's not exaggerate, the states that are heavily Scandinavian/Liberal are not going to be fans of Trump, in general....

And they are not going to be fans of the GOP in November. The GOP coudn't even carry WI in 2012 with Ryan on the ticket.

Blogger Elocutioner April 06, 2016 12:46 AM  

@pyrrhus It was sarcasm.

Blogger The Remnant April 06, 2016 12:59 AM  

An aside on some commentary concerning the supposed "law of the land" as it pertains to abortion. Supreme Court decisions are NOT the law of the land. They are merely the opinions of one branch of the federal government, which is inferior to the Constitution. To sit back and let the Court assume the role of absolute lawgiver is tantamount to treason. As Andrew Jackson quipped, "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it." It would be nice if someone of equal mettle were to assume office and tell the Supreme Court to go fellate itself, but I won't hold my breath.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 06, 2016 1:18 AM  

After careful research, I have uncovered the true identity of Scotty Numbers.

Tamara Holder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OlmKXbMQfc

Blogger Were-Puppy April 06, 2016 1:47 AM  

@88 Josh
Trump is getting crushed. What a loser.
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You should get to the hospital if your hateboner for Trump lasts for more than 4 months

Anonymous HBS April 06, 2016 1:49 AM  

@105

That's not how the New York primary works. NY is winner take all by congressional district (3 a district) if you win more than 50% in that district. The winner of the district automatically gets 2 delegates as long as they get above 20%, and the runner up in a district gets 1 delegate as long as they cross the 20% threshold. The problem for Trump in New York is more Kasich than Cruz as I could see Kasich taking away votes from Trump especially in the NYC districts.

Anonymous Deadlocked April 06, 2016 1:57 AM  

traddadof4 wrote:2)Wisconsin is liberal for the same reason Ireland is liberal.

Why are Wisconsin and Ireland liberal?

Blogger praetorian April 06, 2016 1:59 AM  

OT: Vox any chance you can convince Tom Woods to have an amicable debate on international free trade? I DM'd him on Twitter after you guys got into it but no reply. An "On The Effects of International Trade" debate between you two would be fantastic.

Anonymous rubberducky April 06, 2016 2:29 AM  

11B @130, RE: US Citizenship of Ted Cruz -- To your question, "Doesn't this go against the intent of the Founders?" Well, yes it does, how ironic for a supposed original intent guy like Cruz.

Mark Levin has taken point arguing the legal position for Cruz on this, and they boil it down to the fact that Ted's mom was a US citizen ergo Ted's natural born. One US citizen parent is all that is required. This was not the meaning of natural born as the Founders understood it.

Under the Cruz argument, southeast Asia is full of ready candidates for US president, thanks the US soldiers chasing LBFMs on R&R in places like Bangkok, Saigon and Manila. The current Crown Prince of Jordan has an American mom, under the Cruz argument he, too, is eligible to run for president. That result would be unthinkable to the guys who wrote the Constitution and also *precisely* the kind of thing they sought to avoid!

And also ironically, we cannot challenge this in federal court because they'll tell us we have "no standing" in the matter. That's incredible, and a fact also much lamented by Mark Levin, who has become a hypocrite twice over now with this legal position!

Anonymous Wyrd April 06, 2016 2:36 AM  

Why are Wisconsin and Ireland liberal?

Copious drink, of course.

Anonymous Wyrd April 06, 2016 2:39 AM  

You should get to the hospital if your hateboner for Trump lasts for more than 4 months

As tiresome as Josh's trolling can be, you were fished in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zANt-yzuhZk

Blogger Were-Puppy April 06, 2016 2:57 AM  

@129 Patrick

Cruz just rode in like a white knight to save the establishment.
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Canadian Mountie style!

Blogger Were-Puppy April 06, 2016 2:59 AM  

@130 11B
Slightly OT, but how do posters here feel about Cruz being born in Canada?
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Many think he is not eligible to run because of this.

Scruz supporters hand wave it off.

Then you have others who say "Obama did it so it's ok". Which doesn't make any sense to me.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 06, 2016 3:03 AM  

@142 dh
Biggest news here is that Sec. Clinton only won Milwaukee county by a few percentage points representing a few thousand votes.
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Why is this big news? The whole Hitlery vs Bernout thing is boring as hell. We all know the fix is 100% in through super delegates to give it to Hitlery. Nothing either of them do or say is the least bit interesting. It's like watching boring old worn out beardless Marxists yammering away about some crap while you wish they would STFU and get out of your face.

OpenID aew51183 April 06, 2016 3:05 AM  

For those who still think cruz is an "outsider" or "insurgent", his Wisconsin victory speech should be a real eye opener. He pretty much thanks everyone grassroots republicans hate with the fury of a thousand suns.

Anonymous TroperA April 06, 2016 3:39 AM  

One question....The media might be trying to memory hole the Cruz Adultery story now, but if he wins the nomination, what's to stop them from unleashing the dogs of war and piling every scandal on his head that they can think of? Do Cruz voters actually think that because the media is sitting on this stuff now, that it will continue to sit on it once Trump is out of the way? Cruz seems like he'd be a really big liability as a candidate. Do the people who want to vote for him even know or care?

Anonymous Haxo Angmark April 06, 2016 3:40 AM  

worked through the remaining states and, under the most Trumpaholic assumptions, T falls 50-100 delegates short of a 1st ballot nomination. Given that a large chunk of Trump's delegates are RNC plants, the fake "anti-establishment" Establishment neoCon - Cruz - will get the nomination no later than the 4th ballot...maybe as early as the 2nd. Setting up the usual GoldmanSachs vs GoldmanSachs fake "election", which Mrs. Clinton - once most of Trump's NASCAR crowd goes back to watching cars making left turns - should win quite easily

Anonymous TroperA April 06, 2016 5:01 AM  

OT: My last few posts have been deleted soon after I've posted them. I don't know who or what is responsible for this. (It only started happening recently and it seems to be happening too quickly for it to be a deliberate act by a human.) Are there certain "cursed" IP Addresses that blogspot refuses to recognize?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 06, 2016 5:03 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@130 11B

Slightly OT, but how do posters here feel about Cruz being born in Canada?

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Many think he is not eligible to run because of this.

Scruz supporters hand wave it off.

Then you have others who say "Obama did it so it's ok". Which doesn't make any sense to me.


It isn't okay. I've written on the subject and there are links to five different articles that explain the NBC clause and that Cruz was a Canadian citizen at birth. The Title explains what is going on Were-puppy: The Republican Party's Response to the Natural Born Citizen Clause: Cowardice, Hypocrisy and Perfidy
https://www.academia.edu/23179986/The_Republican_Partys_R
esponse_to_the_Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause, Cowardice, Hypocrisy and Perfidy

The Republican Party, the Democrat Party and the Judicial Branch really don't give a rat's ass about the Constitution.

Blogger Rusty Fife April 06, 2016 5:31 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@130 11B

Slightly OT, but how do posters here feel about Cruz being born in Canada?

---

Many think he is not eligible to run because of this.

Scruz supporters hand wave it off.

Then you have others who say "Obama did it so it's ok". Which doesn't make any sense to me.


Trump has a similar problem with his Scottish mother.

It comes down to which magic dirt they were born on.

Blogger Rusty Fife April 06, 2016 5:37 AM  

TroperA wrote:OT: My last few posts have been deleted soon after I've posted them. I don't know who or what is responsible for this. (It only started happening recently and it seems to be happening too quickly for it to be a deliberate act by a human.) Are there certain "cursed" IP Addresses that blogspot refuses to recognize?

There was a bug for a while that manifested that way when you refreshed too soon after commenting.

Anonymous Craig April 06, 2016 6:13 AM  

wanted to apologize for my recent offensive comments to the entertainment cpmmunity and the writer community and anyone else I offended I become a bad person on the internet and I get insane, don't take me seriously, Im gonna stay off the internet bc I am simply unable to comment without being mean so I am banning myself

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir April 06, 2016 6:51 AM  

How can we trust them?

http://wcmcoop.com/2012/05/22/meet-command-central-the-people-in-charge-of-wisconsin-voting-machines/
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7906

Massive voter fraud, it's the American way.

Blogger weka April 06, 2016 6:52 AM  

@170.
Do not apologise.
Unless Troll, in case I suggest you rapidly phase shift back to being human. Maewyn likes her trolls slow roasted with fava beans and good Chianti.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 06, 2016 6:54 AM  

If my family from Wisconsin is any indicator "Respectability" is the most important attribute a candidate offers. From the looks of the electoral map by county it looks like "civilized" counties went Cruz while stumpjumper counties went Trump.

I would prefer a Trump third party candidacy , being in the GOP he has to in the end if he prevails put lipstick on a bunch of rats

Anonymous Steve April 06, 2016 7:08 AM  

under the most Trumpaholic assumptions, T falls 50-100 delegates short of a 1st ballot nomination.

Nah.

He needs 497 more delegates.

NY - 95 delegates. Winner take most. Trump should get at least 70 if I understand correctly.

Maryland - 38. Winner takes all.

Pennsylvania - 71. Winner takes all.

Indiana - 57. Winner takes all.

California - 172. Winner takes all.

NJ - 51. Winner takes all.

On my quick back-of-fag-packet calculation, if Trump wins the above he just needs an additional 38 (out of 221) delegates from Delaware, Rhode Island, Nebraska, West Virginia, Oregon, Washington, Montana, New Mexico, and South Dakota.

Of course, this doesn't factor in local party shenanigans or "events". But the former can only go so far and the latter could go either way.

Blogger Josh April 06, 2016 7:31 AM  

You should get to the hospital if your hateboner for Trump lasts for more than 4 months

Trumpboner? Trumpenrection?

Blogger Josh April 06, 2016 7:32 AM  

Seriously, Josh. Your butthurt about the easily predictable failure of the Paulist Libertarian Revolution is unbecoming. A Southron Gentleman should exhibit more class.

Concern troll is concerned?

Blogger Stilicho April 06, 2016 7:35 AM  

Steve, Trump probably won't win IN, but I expect he'll win the others on your list. That will leave him to pick up 95 out of the 221 remaining proportional states. Tight race but doable.

Anonymous Wild Bill April 06, 2016 8:08 AM  

I'm not surprised by the outcome. These are the same country mouth-breathers that were dumb enough to convict Steven Avery twice for crimes he didn't commit based on clearly planted evidence. Asking them to choose a sensible candidate for president would be too much.

Blogger CM April 06, 2016 9:03 AM  

The whole Hitlery vs Bernout thing is boring as hell. We all know the fix is 100% in through super delegates to give it to Hitlery.

It would be interesting if it ends up being the D party that ends up being over after all of this. The struggle and interest seems to be all in the R party. If it fractures, could the old Dem RINOs and cucks be enough to reform and obliterate the current Communist Dem party? With the new R party reforming under a new name and Nationalist sympathies?

Blogger Rusty Fife April 06, 2016 9:21 AM  

Josh wrote:Seriously, Josh. Your butthurt about the easily predictable failure of the Paulist Libertarian Revolution is unbecoming. A Southron Gentleman should exhibit more class.



Concern troll is concerned?


I'm beginning to wonder if Trump ends up with a bigger bully pulpit as a martyr or president?

Martyr suites him better.

Anonymous VFM #7634 April 06, 2016 9:22 AM  

@174 Steve

Pennsylvania delegates are unbound, so we'll have to write off that state helping us, unfortunately.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 06, 2016 9:24 AM  

@174 Steve

I think Pennsylvania delegates are unbound, and PA voters have to vote for delegates rather than Trump directly. That could make things much more difficult, since the snake Cruz and the GOPe have been stealing them right and left.

Anonymous Craig April 06, 2016 9:25 AM  

one last comment that is actually a question bc I know there are a lot of smart people here, then I really gotta go, ... Regan barely ever talked about ISis Isil or Muslim (correct if I am wrong) how I that in just 28 years now all you hear about is Isis, wise Reagan didn't seem to be too worried it, what is the difference between 1988 and 2016 in that regard, that is what I would like to know

Blogger VFM #7634 April 06, 2016 9:26 AM  

Rusty Fife

Trump has a similar problem with his Scottish mother.

It comes down to which magic dirt they were born on.


Trump was born in New York City. Ergo, he's a natural-born citizen.

Cruz was born in Canada. Ergo, he's not a natural-born citizen.

Slight difference.

Anonymous BGKB April 06, 2016 9:29 AM  

wise Reagan didn't seem to be too worried it, what is the difference between 1988 and 2016 in that regard, that is what I would like to know

Actually the amnesty he signed opened the floodgates with affirmative action govt workers willing to pry the floodgates open even farther for letting 3rd worlders in. After 911 leftists had the idea if we let 3rd world illiterate moslems in on welfare that moslems wouldn't attack places they couldn't possible be qualified to work at without magic dirt. Japan had no moslem problems before they let 27 moslems in only to have a gang rape happen under their strict asylum standards.

If Raygun was wise we would already have the wall.

Blogger dienw April 06, 2016 9:32 AM  

For those who think Cruz is legitimate winner and not a criminal: Still Report #768 - Voter Fraud in Wisconsin

Anonymous BGKB April 06, 2016 9:33 AM  

The media has been avoiding covering TRUMPS WALLL plan because they know it would have given him a boast. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/05/trump-delivers-solid-outline-of-how-mexico-pays-for-border-wall-potus-balks-liberal-media-apoplectic/

Blogger Mike Romkey April 06, 2016 9:56 AM  

Glass-half-full: It's interesting we have a genuine race in both parties. I still think Trump will get there. Cruz I don't trust.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean April 06, 2016 10:15 AM  

According to this map, Trump won a huge part of Wisconsin, at least geographically speaking!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfXUlfFUIAAPoDD.jpg

Blogger Nate April 06, 2016 10:29 AM  

"Cruz was born in Canada. Ergo, he's not a natural-born citizen."

Wrong. You're literally making the idiot magic dirt argument and you don't even realize it.

The dirt doesn't matter.

Cruz was born to two americans. He is therefore a natural born american citizen.

You're bitching over paperwork that is just as irrelevant as the anchor baby paper work.

Blogger Josh April 06, 2016 10:40 AM  

Cruz was born to two americans. He is therefore a natural born american citizen.

Trump's mother was not American, making Trump a half-breed.

Trump's children are similarly half-breeds.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 06, 2016 10:45 AM  

@188 dienw

I don't really think they needed to do vote fraud.

Trump got 24% in both Iowa and Minnesota, so his getting 35% in Wisconsin looks to be about right for him.

@192 Nate

That's ridiculous. From above, rubberducky made a great point, and I'll just copy it here:

"Under the Cruz argument, southeast Asia is full of ready candidates for US president, thanks the US soldiers chasing LBFMs on R&R in places like Bangkok, Saigon and Manila. The current Crown Prince of Jordan has an American mom, under the Cruz argument he, too, is eligible to run for president. That result would be unthinkable to the guys who wrote the Constitution and also *precisely* the kind of thing they sought to avoid!"

Blogger Rusty Fife April 06, 2016 10:49 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Rusty Fife

Trump has a similar problem with his Scottish mother.

It comes down to which magic dirt they were born on.


Trump was born in New York City. Ergo, he's a natural-born citizen.

Cruz was born in Canada. Ergo, he's not a natural-born citizen.

Slight difference.


The slight difference being...

...wait for it...

...Magic. Dirt.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 06, 2016 10:53 AM  

/smh

Rusty Fife, Nate:

Okay, answer this: do you think the Crown Prince of Jordan is eligible to run for president?

Anonymous Craig April 06, 2016 10:56 AM  

thanks BGKB, and just to officially leave on a high note, I have to go on record and sincerely say...

I haven't seen a finer human being than Vox Day in my 39 years on the planet he is the best ever,, peace

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler April 06, 2016 11:16 AM  

Josh wrote:Cruz was born to two americans. He is therefore a natural born american citizen.

Trump's mother was not American, making Trump a half-breed.
The FFofA were very familiar and well read in Vattel. This is what Vattel wrote in the late 1790s:

“The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to [218] all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. [102]”

Citizenship passes thru the Father. That is the Natural construct of the Natural Order of things. Children FOLLOW THE CONDITION OF THEIR FATHERS! That is the Natural Born ingredient!

Trump's mother became a US Citizen FOUR years before the birth of Donald, making him a Natural Born Citizen! She was a Citizen.

Cruz's Father on the other hand was a Cuban Citizen at his birth. Canadian Law did NOT allow for dual Citizenship. Cruz had a Canadian Birth Certificate! In Appendix III of this paper is 7 different links all showing the definition of NBC and that Cruz is not NBC. The Republican Party's Response to the Natural Born Citizen Clause: Cowardice, Hypocrisy and Perfidy
https://www.academia.edu/23179986/The_Republican_Party

Blogger Rusty Fife April 06, 2016 11:29 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:/smh

Rusty Fife, Nate:

Okay, answer this: do you think the Crown Prince of Jordan is eligible to run for president?


Not a lawyer, but I expect if he renounced his crown and lived in the US for 14yrs...technically yes. I'm not saying I agree with it.

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