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Wednesday, May 11, 2016

A tale of two rhetorics

Some of the white nationalists on Twitter have been remarkably sensitive over my observation that #whitegenocide is ineffective rhetoric. To be fair, most of them haven't read either me or Aristotle and quite clearly don't understand the difference between dialectic and rhetoric.

But even someone who doesn't should be able to grasp the fact that the term SJW has proven to be far more rhetorically effective than the "white genocide" meme, and it has done so in far less time.


That is what the empirical difference between effective rhetoric and ineffective rhetoric looks like. Interestingly enough, there are some indications that "cuckservative" may be similarly limited, but it is probably too soon to tell. However, the fact that "cuckservative" is already utilized half as often as "white genocide" despite being around for less than one year tends to indicate that it, too, is a more effective term.

Regardless, it is important to remember that clinging to suboptimal tactics is one of the most effective ways to ensure one fails to accomplish one's strategic goals.

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Anonymous Longtime Lurker May 11, 2016 11:29 AM  

Very interesting. What analytical tools are you using?

Anonymous #5454 May 11, 2016 11:30 AM  

Lurker, by the looks of it, it is a Google interface using elements of their brand standard. Google analytics of some sort I would guess.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 11, 2016 11:30 AM  

Don't forget that cuckservative has a shorthand "cuck" that "whitegenocide" does not.

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 11:31 AM  

" . . . clinging to suboptimal tactics is one of the most effective ways to ensure one fails to accomplish one's strategic goals."

"That didn't work, let's do it more and harder," is what the rabbits do.

Don't be a reflexive rabbit, be an adaptive predator.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 11, 2016 11:31 AM  

It was the first meme*, so it is hard to let go.

*(Maybe not the first - first, but it is the one that most have attached to.)

To teach sometimes requires patience. To learn sometimes requires patience.

Anonymous Til May 11, 2016 11:32 AM  

Cuck is everywhere these days. It drives the cons crazy, and people love saying it because it drives them crazy. The shortened version is by far the most popular.

Blogger Jason Lee May 11, 2016 11:33 AM  

Google Trends

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 11, 2016 11:34 AM  

"Cuck" went way up the month after December 6, and climbing. I'd argue that the political insult has to be a driver of that, considering that's when Cuckservative came out.

Anonymous BluePony May 11, 2016 11:38 AM  

I used cuck on the NR Online site a few weeks ago, and one of the GOP lickspittles told me I was using a naughty word and would get banned. Tsk tsk. I told him where he could put his wagging finger.

Still not banned.

Anonymous Difster May 11, 2016 11:47 AM  

I've been applying the term #Cuckchurchative to men that knowingly continue to attend culturally compromised churches. I don't really expect it to go viral given it's narrow focus, but it's effective.

Blogger Josh May 11, 2016 11:48 AM  

Google Trends is white genocide

Anonymous BGKB May 11, 2016 11:52 AM  

Leftists & Cucks played the race card pretty hard over cuckservative because they knew how hard it hit. Both saying their 5" tall stack of black on white cuck porn better defined the term than the combined works of Shakespeare and Chaucer that can fit on a thumb drive, written before any blacks were brought to the UK. People saw the "mother may I" women become cucks choosing to believe there was a black knight and black queen in England. I imagine the term is not popular with women who cheat on there men.

Calling people rhinos required explaining it was not a compliment. Cuckservative cuts right to the bone.

Blogger tridekka May 11, 2016 11:54 AM  

@8 good catch, and the timing on that is right on for the political trends, but both the top and rising terms for cuck are all porn related as far as I can tell.

Trends link

Blogger VFM #7634 May 11, 2016 11:55 AM  

"Cuck" went way up the month after December 6, and climbing. I'd argue that the political insult has to be a driver of that, considering that's when Cuckservative came out.

@8 VFM #6306
Cuckservative started up last summer, actually. Then, I suspect, only after that one became familiar, the shortened version "cuck" took off.

Blogger S1AL May 11, 2016 11:57 AM  

I'm wondering if it's not more effective to have a term that requires a simple explanation to understand - people who've never seen the term "SJW" ask what it means, and the explanation is very simple and easy to understand. "White genocide" both looks and sounds ridiculous (for reasons pointed out already), and requires no explanation. "Cuckservative" requires too much explanation because you're playing off of a much more obscure use for the term, and it rapidly devolves into inanity.

Blogger The Rev May 11, 2016 11:59 AM  

"White extinction"? Has the advantage of drawing out the pro-white extinction crowd. A term that can lock your enemies into using it is effective - very few anti-Whites are going to use #whitegenocide.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 11, 2016 12:03 PM  

@13 Cuckservative started up last summer, actually.

I know. I'm talking about the actual book with that title.

Blogger Monster May 11, 2016 12:19 PM  

"Cuck" is the term people are mostly using. It's more effective because it can be applied to more than just conservatives, and it's much shorter. It's probably used 100 times a minute on /r/the_donald alone.

Replace "cuckservative" with "cuck" in VD's link and you'll see that "cuck" is completely killing "white genocide".

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=white%20genocide%2C%20cuck&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-2

Blogger VD May 11, 2016 12:20 PM  

"White extinction"?

No. Because there are more whites now than there were 50 and 100 years ago. Horrible rhetoric.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak May 11, 2016 12:23 PM  

@12 The best part of the search terms for "cuck" is "cuck norris". Typo? Or is there something out there I really don't want to know about?

Blogger Kevin Blackwell May 11, 2016 12:25 PM  

I know of a polish video game streamer who uses the team "cuck" all the time. At first I thought I was missing something, but he's definitely using it as a catch all. Even the term "triggered" is being used. Instead of "are you mad bro" someone would say "are you triggered."

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 12:27 PM  

""Cuck" is the term people are mostly using."

It sounds like something nasty even if you don't know what it means. The response is visceral, not cognitive.

Anonymous stilllife May 11, 2016 12:28 PM  

Besides, cuckservative comes with its own mascot

Blogger FALPhil May 11, 2016 12:32 PM  

@4 kfg

Don't be a reflexive rabbit, be an adaptive predator.

If we can get that restated in Latin, it could make a real nice motto for our coat of arms.

Blogger Bas van den Berg May 11, 2016 12:34 PM  

White genocide might be even less effective than you think, since the region of interest is 100 in South Africa and then 15 in the US.

Anonymous Nxx May 11, 2016 12:43 PM  

The technical term for what white genocide, and the one the UN uses, is replacement migration. As a meme it is descriptive and non-hysterical.

In Europe the meme great replacement has gained traction all by itself. It has done so precisely because it is descriptive and non-hysterical.

#GreatReplacement
#WhiteReplacement
#ReplacementMigration

All work better than #WhiteGenocide and all mean exactly the same thing except they don't make the user sound like a wild eyed fanatic.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly May 11, 2016 12:47 PM  

White Plight.

Hashtag or whatever you internet savvy folks use.

Blogger Rabbi B May 11, 2016 12:49 PM  

Yes. A 'rhetorical meme' has to elicit an immediate visceral and emotional response to be effective. #whitegenocide requires an explanation to be understood, which renders the meme toothless.

There are, then, these three means of effecting persuasion. The man who is to be in command of them must, it is clear, be able (1) to reason logically, (2) to understand human character and goodness in their various forms, and (3) to understand the emotions-that is, to name them and describe them, to know their causes and the way in which they are excited. (cf. Aristotle's Rhetoric Book I Cjapter 2).

Here's a great resource if anyone is interested.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 11, 2016 12:52 PM  

I remember a over a year ago getting banned from commenting on a neocon site for referring to John Bolton a neocon (The Right Stuff or something). The mod said that it was an anti-Semitic pejorative and I was gone.

They are losing the narrative because we aren't going to be troubled with terms like neocon anymore.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 11, 2016 12:52 PM  

No. Because there are more whites now than there were 50 and 100 years ago. Horrible rhetoric.

@18 VD
Actually...... that's no longer true in some European countries.
Latvia Belarus Austria (subtracting foreigners)

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 11, 2016 12:53 PM  

Now we can call them ex-Republicants.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 11, 2016 12:55 PM  

Ethnic cleansing...

Blogger Student in Blue May 11, 2016 12:57 PM  

Since everyone's tossing their 2c in, might as well do the same.

Just plain ol' "Anti-white".

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 11, 2016 12:57 PM  

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Blogger John S May 11, 2016 12:57 PM  

I've been applying the term #Cuckchurchative Difster

Meh... Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue (or keyboard), does it? Maybe Cuckgelicals, Evangicucks?

Thinking that "Christian" couple that got the black triplets implanted. Doubt that's the first black thing that's been between her legs. Or the last...

Blogger VD May 11, 2016 1:04 PM  

Actually...... that's no longer true in some European countries.

What I said was 100 percent accurate. Don't try to correct a correct statement.

Blogger FALPhil May 11, 2016 1:11 PM  

@28 Arthur Isaac
They are losing the narrative because we aren't going to be troubled with terms like neocon anymore.

It's worse than that, Art. They are losing because they still want approval from their opponents. In the name of "taking the high road", they are absolutely and unequivocally willing to throw their allies under the bus for the most innocuous reason.

Take a look at the Marxists, both cultural and economic. If someone that is headed in the same direction makes an outrageous or uncouth statement, the Marxists will say something like, "Yeah, well he is out on the edge, but his intention is correct."

On the other hand, the cuckservatives, when someone on their side says something outrageous or controversial, will stumble all over each other to line up to condemn that person.

They have forgotten about how to fight and what is at stake.

Blogger Student in Blue May 11, 2016 1:13 PM  

Honestly, I remember seeing a lot of reaction out of lefties over the "reverse racism" charge. That might be something that sticks and is worthwhile to pursue.

Anonymous NatLib May 11, 2016 1:15 PM  

@9 and @34 Cuckianity is what /pol uses. If you already know what cuck means, it's descriptive.

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier May 11, 2016 1:17 PM  

#WhiteGenocide has always sounded like an over statement to me. Even though it is effectively what is happening, like VD said, the initial mental images don't match and don't reinforce the right idea.

#DemographicDeath is too abstract.

I bet, #WhatWeveLost would work well. Peeps gotta be feeling nostalgic about now. Just pictures of how things used to be next to how they are now with the hashtag #WhatWeveLost.

Anonymous Gedrin May 11, 2016 1:18 PM  

Slightl OT: I could use some rhetorical help. I need a counter to my lib. friends posting about how unfair HB-2 is.

There was a post (here I think) about a black teenager forcing another to perform oral sex with a gun to the head of the kid on his knees. Would it be good rhetoric to say, "He's looking forward to declaring trans-gender and showering with your daughter next year.?

Is a line needed at the bottom saying, "Is worried the sex might not be as good."

Too far? Is it possible to get that much text on a Facebook photo and have it still be readable?

Blogger dienw May 11, 2016 1:25 PM  

@23
Non lepus reflexum , sit adaptive Predator .

Blogger CM May 11, 2016 1:27 PM  

Non lepus reflexum , sit adaptive Predator

I got "Non erit reflexum cunicum, erit versum praedatorem."

Blogger Timmy3 May 11, 2016 1:29 PM  

SJW has turned into a pejorative. This is a negative development.

Why use white genocide when nationalism and populism is good enough? "The Wall" is what's Trump's building. The counter culture likes Pink Floyd so appropriate their slogan "Hey Teacher, leave those kids alone!" Several messages in one song.

#TheWall

Blogger The Rev May 11, 2016 1:33 PM  

@18 Wait. If "there are more whites now than there were 50 and 100 years ago," then 'white genocide' may be the stupidest catchphrase ever.

#whitesurplus

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 11, 2016 1:36 PM  

Do they have strategic objectives? Some people want to be "right" far more than they want to succeed.

Blogger dienw May 11, 2016 1:36 PM  

@ 42
I keep getting what I got the first time.

Blogger John Williams May 11, 2016 1:39 PM  

Just saw the #AmericanSpring hashtag on twitter. Needs no explanation to know what it means. Seems to excite positive and negative emotions from the usual sides.

Anonymous It's 2015+1 May 11, 2016 1:39 PM  

Cuck is actually very effective when used appropriately. The term cuck has more google searches when compared to SJW. Cuck is getting more widespread as people have seen its effectiveness for all sorts of insults. The only problem that I can see is when it is the only form of rhetoric employed - calling someone a cuck for disagreeing or having the wrong opinion does not sit well with most people. However, providing reasons for why one might be cucked or considered a cuck usually ends up more effective.

I think that it also needs to be utilized for a variety of insults. Someone who lets their significant other cheat or walk all over them. Someone that has a belief that is not in their personal best interests, someone who's employer treats them poorly or if they are not compensated well enough etc. The wider its usage, the more it will be understood by regular people. Then when it is used politically, the left will be ineffective in their implications (re: lies) that it has racial connotations. I've noticed this personally as well. I've gotten many liberally-minded friends and colleagues to laugh (and join in) as we joke about various things and how they were cucked -- its quite effective with celebrity dating, or even when actresses claimed to receive lower pay simply because they are women. People seemed to find it funny when I claimed that Lebron James initially cucked Cleveland. I think delivery also matters. Being funny and using the term works well, but if it's used in a very serious tone people will then assume the worst.


Anonymous gxg May 11, 2016 1:42 PM  

The terms "SJW" and "cuckservative" hit hard, because they both take a term that was originally positive and twist it into an insult.

SJW = A couple years ago, calling any leftist a social justice warrior would make them proud. Not so much anymore, as evidenced by their fear of the SJW list.

Cuckservative = A twisted term for conservative.

Both of these terms are personal. Much like the word "racist," people are becoming fearful of being labeled as SJWs or Cuckservatives. This indicates that the terms are effective.

In contrast, "#whitegenocide" is more theoretical. While you CAN point at someone and shriek "SWJ!" or "Cuckservative!", you can't point at someone and shriek "White Genocider!"

Leftists are good at changing the meanings of words. We need to do a better job of doing the same.

Side note: I like Ango-American. It mirrors African-American and doesn't focus on skin color so much as culture. We're not allowed to be proud of our color, but we CAN perhaps be proud of our heritage.

For those who accurately point out that Anglo is associated with England, I agree. But I don't think that matters. After all, how many "African Americans" are from Africa?

Anonymous gxg May 11, 2016 1:44 PM  

Crap... A typo above. Obviously, I meant "ANGLO-American." (Not "Ango-American.)

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 1:52 PM  

Cuckservative is probably used more than the graph shows.
The shortened form Cuck is all over comment sections.
It also has a lot of variations like Cuckster.
People stick it in for fun into names, such as John McCuck.

don't count that one out as unsuccessful yet.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 1:57 PM  

@22 stilllife
Besides, cuckservative comes with its own mascot
--

The Cuckster Supreme!

Anonymous Bagger Vance May 11, 2016 1:58 PM  

Nxx wrote:The technical term for what white genocide, and the one the UN uses, is replacement migration. As a meme it is descriptive and non-hysterical.

I like it, but maybe consider Displacement migration? That's how many workers feel, jobs shipped overseas and migrants shipped in to work whatever's left. Displaced.

#GreatDisplacement

Blogger CM May 11, 2016 1:58 PM  

Dinew, google translate isn't all that reliable. It translates praedatorem as "pirate" (it means hunter, too), adaptive isn't a proper latin word, lepus is the nominative form for hare or rabbit (cunicus means rabbit as well) and you want the accusative for a direct object. Lepum would be the right ending.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 2:00 PM  

@34 John S
I've been applying the term #Cuckchurchative Difster
---

Isn't that what they call Churchians around here?

Blogger Lovekraft May 11, 2016 2:01 PM  

I'm sure there have been many attempts at meme-ing or countering the left's slogans. Heterophobia, No Blood for Mohammed are a couple that come to mind.

If countering the left ultimately means adopting their Alinsky-isms, wouldn't we just skip this and prepare for what Alinsky-ites really want? Civil war.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes May 11, 2016 2:04 PM  

I wonder if something along the lines of #WhiteHater would be effective. It's something you can label someone, which puts them immediately on the defensive. That's why Cuck is so useful. It forces the opponent to defend.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 11, 2016 2:06 PM  

@gxg

Since America was founded by the English, and is based on the Rights of Englishmen, Anglo-American has a certain appeal.

However, the hyphenation sort of reduces those of English (or white) heritage to just another group of Americans, instead of The Americans.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 2:08 PM  

An interesting thing about Cuck and Cuckservative is the lefties don't, or can't, use it. At least from what I have seen so far.

SJW, on the other hand, is a word they used with pride, that has been taken from them to kick their asses. Some of them may still use it in ignorance, but that's fine too.

Anonymous gxg May 11, 2016 2:11 PM  

#52: Cuckservative is probably used more than the graph shows...The shortened form Cuck is all over comment sections. It also has a lot of variations like Cuckster...

That's a really good point. Six months ago, I'd never heard of the term. Now, I'm seeing/hearing hearing variations all over the place. Cucked, Cucky, etc.

Blogger Lovekraft May 11, 2016 2:11 PM  

I never really liked the term "Cathedral". Seems too focused on one religion, to the advantage of the other two.

When have whites truly been flourishing, rather than in a defensive morass like the current geo-political situation likely centers around a period where masculine values were dominant.

So #westernmasculinity

Blogger Sillon Bono May 11, 2016 2:12 PM  

#NoWhitesNoNiceThings

#NoWhitesNoFreedom

#WhitesProduceNiceThings

#WhitesMakeModernWorld

#OnlyWhiteSocietyWorksForEveryone

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan May 11, 2016 2:13 PM  

Hell, let's talk about some important issues.

VD, are you going to resume the VPFL this year?

If so, I'm throwing my name in the pot. For what it's worth. (been watching Fantasy Football already)

I've been the Champ twice in your League, skipped a year of playing, and got the Championship Trophy for the past two years, just playing strangers.

Some REAL strangers.

Anonymous VFM #5651 May 11, 2016 2:17 PM  

I like it, but maybe consider Displacement migration? That's how many workers feel, jobs shipped overseas and migrants shipped in to work whatever's left. Displaced.

Careful, your dialectic is showing.

"Replacement" is more immediately and viscerally effective. Contrast your reactions to the statements "You've been displaced" and "You've been replaced."

Anonymous Bob May 11, 2016 2:19 PM  

@39

I like #WhatWeveLost (and the current tag #WhatIfWeWon). It encapsulates the purpose of the #whitegenocide tag while hitting the emotions with concrete and effective visuals.

If we want to keep the whole "genocide" concept that some are so wedded to, we could try something more concrete with clearer visuals. #WhiteReservations, #WhereDoWeGo, or something like that would capture the displacement and cultural denigration with clearer visual and emotional connections.

A semi-related idea: I'm thinking we redo the "Don't Mess with Texas" ad, but with images of Ferguson or similar riots - and an old white man in his Army fatigues looks on with a tear in his eye.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy May 11, 2016 2:21 PM  

CM wrote:Dinew, google translate isn't all that reliable. It translates praedatorem as "pirate" (it means hunter, too), adaptive isn't a proper latin word, lepus is the nominative form for hare or rabbit (cunicus means rabbit as well) and you want the accusative for a direct object.

Not when the verb is some form of ‘esse’. In that case, the noun phrase which the subject is being equated with belongs in the same case as the subject itself (nominative here and usually; accusative in ‘indirect discourse’).

Lepum would be the right ending.

“lepus” is of the third declension (genitive “leporis”) and non-neuter (specifically masculine), so its accusative singular is “leporem”.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 11, 2016 2:22 PM  

An interesting thing about Cuck and Cuckservative is the lefties don't, or can't, use it. At least from what I have seen so far.

SJW, on the other hand, is a word they used with pride, that has been taken from them to kick their asses. Some of them may still use it in ignorance, but that's fine too.


@59 Were-Puppy
Considering they put a lot of pride in "reclaiming" slurs, this is actually quite funny and ironic.

Anonymous gxg May 11, 2016 2:25 PM  

@#8601 Jean Valjean. Since America was founded by the English, and is based on the Rights of Englishmen, Anglo-American has a certain appeal. However, the hyphenation sort of reduces those of English (or white) heritage to just another group of Americans, instead of The Americans.

Very true. And that's a good point. But thinking out loud, I wonder if that's such a terrible thing. Every other group is benefiting from identity politics. So far, we have refused. I'm not sure it's done us any favors.

Something Vox said in his recent interview with Stephen Molyneaux has really stuck with me. He mentioned how the kids in Italy were so excited about the Soldiers of Odin. It's been a long time since anything Anglo was considered cool. How this all fits, I'm not quite sure. But it's quite thought-provoking.

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 2:25 PM  

" . . . wouldn't we just skip this and prepare for what Alinsky-ites really want? Civil war."

What do you think we're doing?

I'll continue to object to using Anglo to mean something other English, or even within certain contexts British (although it tends to trigger the Welsh).

I appreciate effective rhetoric, but one of the things I like about high culture is precision of language. Without it, as Orwell noted, we soon become unable to even think outside that precision.

So we'd just end up having to drop the concept of Anglo, or invent a new, synthetic term for it.

People of the Angles is not terribly euphonic in English.

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 2:28 PM  

On the other hand, calling Gauls Anglos tends to piss them off, so the term as a generic has that going for it.

Anonymous gxg May 11, 2016 2:32 PM  

Another observation: Regular people can use the terms "SJW" and "cuckservative" without appearing to be kooks. The terms are delightfully snarky. They trigger their targets, but amuse everyone else. They make normies want to laugh and point at the person on the receiving end of the insult.

In contrast, "white genocide," makes normies want to laugh and point at the GIVER of the insult. That's seldom a good thing.

Blogger Nate May 11, 2016 2:34 PM  

appears to me that Cuckservative and White Genocide have very close to the same ceiling.

NEXT.

Anonymous One-off May 11, 2016 2:43 PM  

#whitespace

... coupled with the following image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZrWhPwW0AANfhR.jpg

The hashtag should be superimposed over the little white cutout people in the space in the bottom corner, and the rest of the text below that deleted or simplified to cut down on dialectical clutter. Sorry, I do not know how to attach an image here.

If anyone knows how to re-do the little white cutout people with their arms raised, like they're trying to hold up the "ceiling" against the others, that would be even better.

Anonymous Roundtine May 11, 2016 2:43 PM  

Cuckservative is an in-group name. SJW is used by everyone, so much higher ceiling.

I see the left trying to claim SJW is a right-wing pejorative, but wasn't it originally used by the left? People actually called themselves social justice warriors. Shitlord is the opposite, a pejorative created by the left and embraced by the right.

Anonymous CitizenOutkast May 11, 2016 2:44 PM  

Sillon Bono wrote:#NoWhitesNoNiceThings

#NoWhitesNoFreedom

#WhitesProduceNiceThings

#WhitesMakeModernWorld

#OnlyWhiteSocietyWorksForEveryone


Suggestions:
White makes right
White is beautiful
Whites have rights
That's White of You

I can make simple rhetorical images, but where would they be posted? I don't do Twitter or Facebook.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 11, 2016 2:45 PM  

@68 gxg - it would be interesting to see who would "identify" as Anglo-American if the term were to come into common usage.

#whitereservation #whitespace

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 11, 2016 2:49 PM  

I had no idea that Taylor Swift was held in such high regard by the Alt-right and #whitepride movements until Milo wrote about it today.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 2:52 PM  

@62 Sillon Bono

#ThatsMightyWhiteOfYou

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 2:56 PM  

Another good place to mine for rhetoric is Trump quotes.
I've used a few of them and they will usually get either a bunch of upvotes, or a bunch of butthurt.

For instance, when you see a troll going on in eubonics, or some other foreign type language, simply put

#InAmericaWeSpeakEnglish

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 2:57 PM  

"#ThatsMightyWhiteOfYou"

I have taken to complimenting SJWs for shouldering the White Man's Burden, but that one is a real stiletto I'll have to tuck into my boot. Not sure how I overlooked it.

Thanks.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 3:01 PM  

@75 CitizenOutkast

I can make simple rhetorical images, but where would they be posted? I don't do Twitter or Facebook.
---

https://imgflip.com/memegenerator

I use this thing. Once you finish one, you can get a link to it from there and post it anywhere.

You can also upload a completed image or meme, and do nothing to it, and store it there.

I usually don't submit mine there, but just create it and then use the URL from the image.

Anonymous BGKB May 11, 2016 3:08 PM  

post (here I think) about a black teenager forcing another to perform oral sex with a gun to the head of the kid on his knees

@40 Gedrin, I like the "as long as one gay KKcaKe lay unbaked or one man in a dress is barred from the little girls bathroom, the leftist fight against the 0.1% can wait", because there are leftists that will agree with it. No race card to play there.

An interesting thing about Cuck and Cuckservative is the lefties don't, or can't, use it. At least from what I have seen so far

They don't want to bring attention that they are cucking their lovers. CUCKED is a natural state for them.

Anonymous Great Again May 11, 2016 3:08 PM  

Sillon Bono wrote:

#NoWhitesNoFreedom


I like that one!

Blogger Weouro May 11, 2016 3:15 PM  

"Cuckservative" is limited because it doesn't sound polite enough for mainstream usage. #whitegenocide has the same problem and also a note of overblown hysteria. The best meme rhetoric seems to be droll irony, like SJW, or academic/sciency sounding but meaningless, like "cisgendered" or "transwoman." I think Trump's use of "love fest" was on point rhetorically. It's positive, droll, ironic and repudiates the "Trump people are violent" meme, all at once.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 11, 2016 3:50 PM  

@ #84 Scold. As a noun.

That's all they do, scold and lecture, ironically (for the cognitive dissonance I think).

#NewPuritan
#ScoldSoJustice
#ThoughtEugenics

Blogger FALPhil May 11, 2016 3:50 PM  

@74 Roundtine
I see the left trying to claim SJW is a right-wing pejorative, but wasn't it originally used by the left?

It was, but the alt-right started using it in the context of derision, with particular emphasis on the stupidity of it.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 11, 2016 3:55 PM  

I think that #whitemakesright is too aggressive, 14-88 for the normies, the fence sitters or the liberals who while not us, are also pro White and potential allies on some issues,

Whiter=Better is the same thing simple and to the point.

With certain crowds it can lead into the "what if most of the non whites vanished." talk too.

This is a useful thought experiment for some as once people realize after a short crisis, nothing would get worse and many things would get better.

You can see where that might lead,

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 11, 2016 3:56 PM  

http://theweek.com/articles/623410/dear-hillary

"Then tell the staffers who remain that they need to be nimble, thinking on their feet and outside of the proverbial box."

One more reason Hillary is toast. When has she or her staff ever been "nimble"? lulz....

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 4:15 PM  

Although the metaphor creates a paradox, you can't be nimble when walking on eggshells.

The little bitches need to concentrate on avoiding the ire of the Queen Bitch.

Blogger SciVo May 11, 2016 4:21 PM  

I think you can add cuck definition to cuckservative since it's three of the top ten hits.

Blogger Jew613 May 11, 2016 4:21 PM  

Does anyone know who coined the term social justice warrior?

Blogger Noah B May 11, 2016 4:28 PM  

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Blogger Noah B May 11, 2016 4:31 PM  

It needs to be shortened into something more tractable, but the concept of "Immigration is Rape Culture" is highly effective rhetoric, especially when discussing muslim immigration.

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 4:35 PM  

"The term "social justice warrior" was first used as a pejorative in the blog "Social Justice Warriors: Do Not Engage", launched by Will Shetterly on 6 November 2009."

-Rational Wiki, agreeing with other sources

Others note that 2009 is the earliest date that the term shows up on a Google search.

Blogger SciVo May 11, 2016 4:35 PM  

Thomas Davidsmeier wrote:I bet, #WhatWeveLost would work well. Peeps gotta be feeling nostalgic about now. Just pictures of how things used to be next to how they are now with the hashtag #WhatWeveLost.

#WhatWeLost is shorter, means the same, and riffs better off of #WhatIfWeLost.

Blogger SciVo May 11, 2016 4:53 PM  

Sillon Bono wrote:#NoWhitesNoNiceThings

#NoWhitesNoFreedom

#WhitesProduceNiceThings

#WhitesMakeModernWorld

#OnlyWhiteSocietyWorksForEveryone


Good, good, very positive. There's already #WhiteGirlsAreMagic, so try riffing on that with #WhiteMenAreScience and #WhiteKidsAreGold.

Then maybe #DayWithoutGringos in reference to February's #DayWithoutLatinos.

I don't know, I'm not on Twatter myself. I'm thinking of joining FreezePeach; would these same kind of memes work as well there?

Blogger SciVo May 11, 2016 5:09 PM  

Elijah Rhodes wrote:I wonder if something along the lines of #WhiteHater would be effective. It's something you can label someone, which puts them immediately on the defensive. That's why Cuck is so useful. It forces the opponent to defend.

I don't know, it's ambiguous whether the white is the hater or the hated. We have more precise terms like leukophobia and oikophobia, but they aren't good rhetoric because their meanings aren't obvious. Maybe... #YUH8YT?

Blogger SciVo May 11, 2016 5:12 PM  

Noah B wrote:It needs to be shortened into something more tractable, but the concept of "Immigration is Rape Culture" is highly effective rhetoric, especially when discussing muslim immigration.

#AlienRapeCulture maybe?

Anonymous JN May 11, 2016 5:13 PM  

@94

ImmiRapetion?

Blogger SciVo May 11, 2016 5:18 PM  

Arthur Isaac wrote:@ #84 Scold. As a noun.

That's all they do, scold and lecture, ironically (for the cognitive dissonance I think).

#NewPuritan

#ScoldSoJustice

#ThoughtEugenics


#ImmoralScold

Blogger Noah B May 11, 2016 5:25 PM  

Thought of #Immigrape but I just picture Mexicans growing on vines.

Anonymous gxg May 11, 2016 5:28 PM  

#anglophobe
Someone who fears and denigrates white communities & culture.

Obama is an anglophobe.

Anonymous Nxx May 11, 2016 5:28 PM  

#RapeCulturalism?

Blogger SciVo May 11, 2016 5:39 PM  

#RapeMultiCulture

Anonymous CC May 11, 2016 5:43 PM  

SJW, on the other hand, is a word they used with pride, that has been taken from them to kick their asses. Some of them may still use it in ignorance, but that's fine too.

This is the key thing, it takes what these people regard as their virtues and shows them up for what they really are.

I'd guess the people came up with all the stupid lefty rhetoric like "check your privilege", the various phobias, racism, safe spaces, rape culture, stale pale male etc. would have always spent ages polishing it. Whenever I first come them they always baffle me and then I'm even more baffled at how effective it is. Most sensible people would rather argue in good faith than use stupid insults but as Vox points out Rhetoric is how these people communicate and it works far better on them than it ever would on us. At best, it only confounds or silences us, but it can really burn them. So it's more worth it than ever to use it and turn the tables on them.

They do seem to be losing their touch though and may have met their match in Trump. If "Drumpf" is the best they can do now, we don't need to worry.

I agree now that #WhiteGenocide and even the #GreatReplacement wouldn't work (or at least not yet) as privately our opponents would admit that's exactly what they want or that they don't care. And it's too big a concept for ordinary people to grasp. The people who would get it would already be aware and persuaded. I think what we need is something to show up the open borders and globalist crowds. And something that attacks them personally.

What about:

#HomelandWrecker

#NeverSayDiversity

#NationDevastation

#RuiNation

#BirthrightBandit

This is fun actually. The first one to come up with a meme that destroys the narrative gets a free lifetime supply of national pride.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 11, 2016 5:49 PM  

#rapiculti
#immirapist
#rapigrant
#immigrationisrape
#whitelivesmatter
#whitesallright
#rightsforwhites
#donthatewhity

Maybe put cracker in place of white? #crackerlivesmatter?

It's not rocket surgery, but you do have to pay attention to reactions. Produce Tingle-level butt-hurt in the enemy, and snickers and at least tentative agreement elsewhere.
If it's fun or draws blood, use it more. If it doesn't get the right reaction, drop it and try something else. Take something they say, and twist it to serve your end.

Anonymous Joe Blowe May 11, 2016 5:59 PM  

SJW and Cuck are fun attack words. Very alpha-ish. Most people know who SJW and Cucks are and already hate them even if they don't know their names. Explain what a SJW and Cuck are and they go "Ah ha!"
I try to spread other fun attack names:

Dindu Nuffins
3rd World Invader
Globalist Bankster

Most people instinctively know who they are and already don't like them. The point of spreading these memes is that it makes it acceptable to attack and make fun of our enemies.
#WhiteGenocide is defensive, a bit whiny, and a downer.
Something like #White Civilization would work on a couple of levels. It’s positive and not demanding anything. Just hearing the words forces the idea into people’s minds, especially those of SJW and Cucks. It instantly conjures up images of our amazing deeds and feats and compares them to the failure and mediocrity of the darker races. Most importantly it forces those that read it to think that Whites are a distinct people that can come together to look out for our interests. That alone would be a success. If they think that maybe they will come to believe it and if they believe it they will take action to achieve it.

Blogger Mike Romkey May 11, 2016 6:09 PM  

If you're going to fight, you want to land punches, not just swing your arms.

Blogger Nate May 11, 2016 6:12 PM  

does anyone pay attention?

Positive.

You need it to be positive.

Blogger Ilíon May 11, 2016 6:19 PM  

SciVo: "#AlienRapeCulture maybe?"

JN: "ImmiRapetion?"

#Eurapia

Blogger Josh May 11, 2016 6:22 PM  

Y'all suck at rhetoric

Blogger Ilíon May 11, 2016 6:23 PM  

Though, admittedly (and sadly, given the high percentage of Jew-haters who comment here, 'Eurapia' seems to have been coined by a Jewish woman ... who *gasp* even has "Cohen" in hewr name.

Blogger 1337kestrel May 11, 2016 6:27 PM  

White Genocide succeeds on a dialectical level. Once you get someone to see that point of view, regardless of whether they go around retweeting #whitegenocide memes, they can't unsee it. Rhetorically it does lack punch.

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 6:36 PM  

@113:

Ya gotta figure that there's a few who don't see the sense in flooding Germany with antisemities in order to live down having been Nazis.

Blogger Matthew Heaving Bosoms May 11, 2016 6:46 PM  

Rules are for white people.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 11, 2016 6:59 PM  

The little bitches need to concentrate on avoiding the ire of the Queen Bitch.

Oh-kay- a visual that just popped into my head is something out of Aliens.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 11, 2016 6:59 PM  

The little bitches need to concentrate on avoiding the ire of the Queen Bitch.

Oh-kay- a visual that just popped into my head is something out of Aliens.

Anonymous It's 2015+1 May 11, 2016 7:00 PM  

Here are a few ideas for you guys that were discussing this...apologies in advance

#Molestigration
#Molestigrants
#ForcibleEntry
#DeflowerEurope
#CarnalMigration
#CarnalDiversity
#FateRape
#SexualEmergency
#EroticMigration
#SexualMigration
#X-RatedMigration
#AdultMigration (#XXX)
#FornicateEurope
#ConsensualRape
#Rapedemic
#EmbraceRape
#SexualAppropriation
#RapeBlitz
#DesecrateEurope

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 11, 2016 7:00 PM  

The little bitches need to concentrate on avoiding the ire of the Queen Bitch.

Oh-kay- a visual that just popped into my head is something out of Aliens.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 11, 2016 7:52 PM  

#NotMyNigguh

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Blogger Harsh May 11, 2016 8:07 PM  

#HaveYouHuggedWhiteyToday

Blogger Stan Hai May 11, 2016 8:18 PM  

Some time ago I remember seeing a poster in the U.S. that said "Love your race", which seems much more effective than "white genocide." The former is positive, gives people something to do, and you can't really argue that it's hatred against any particular race. Not sure if its rhetorical or dialectic, but I think it is a good example of a bulletproof meme.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 9:03 PM  

@94 Noah B

It needs to be shortened into something more tractable, but the concept of "Immigration is Rape Culture" is highly effective rhetoric, especially when discussing muslim immigration.
---

What's wrong with Rapefugees? The Europeans came up with that one and it's great.

Blogger Marsh 01701 May 11, 2016 9:11 PM  

#crackerJack

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Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 9:12 PM  

I have been thinking for a couple days about something along the lines of this post. One positive, and one negative. Still haven't formulated it, and not on Twitter, but working on it.

#WhiteGuyDidThat
Or something like this - then would send pics of say walking on the moon, discovering double helix, etc.

#NonWhiteInventions
Here was thinking of pics like showing Detroit before and after pics, or looting, rioting, etc

Blogger Were-Puppy May 11, 2016 9:13 PM  

#OrcsInTheShire
send lot of riot and looting pics, mexican flag waving rioters, etc

Anonymous Gabo May 11, 2016 10:59 PM  

That doesn't demonstrate which one is effective rhetoric, it demonstrates which one has been searched more often. If you compare SJW to 'big boobs' that doesn't demonstrate 'big boobs' is more effective as a form of rhetoric, it just shows that guys like searching for images of women with big breasts.

Blogger overcaffeinated May 11, 2016 11:10 PM  

Tend to agree. The natural/emotional reaction to #WhiteGenocide is "that's crazy talk." Then to show it's not, you have to move into dialectic. I think it can be a useful dialectical concept, for example if you get into things like the UN definition of genocide including mass migrations. But it doesn't succeed as rhetoric.

Blogger YIH May 11, 2016 11:15 PM  

The 'Stop Trump' (AKA Lizard Queen for dictator) superPAC is embracing the #cuck meme.
top kek.

Blogger CM May 11, 2016 11:16 PM  

White genocide is apologetics for the alt-right.

It's useful for the purpose of strengthening your red-pill views but not effective in recruiting.

Blogger Stephen Ward May 11, 2016 11:28 PM  

@41 Keep it shorter - Just caption it "He identifies as a woman - we should let him use the woman's restroom"

OpenID exiledonmainst May 12, 2016 12:03 AM  

I like the term "crybullies" for SJWs. I have heard SJWs brag about being a SJW - being called any sort of warrior flatters the noodle-armed dweebs and uglies who make up the SJW "army." But it is impossible for anybody to brag about being a "crybully.'

Blogger Were-Puppy May 12, 2016 12:09 AM  

@132 YIH
The 'Stop Trump' (AKA Lizard Queen for dictator) superPAC is embracing the #cuck meme.
top kek.
---

All I can say to those Cucks is

https://i.imgflip.com/z9qyh.jpg

Anonymous Logan May 12, 2016 12:42 AM  

#master is perfect. I am preparing to take elements from the alt-right and other groups to form a more coherent faction. White supremacist elements will be removed, and I will make an appeal to blacks to join my cause.

Just imagine how an SJW would react to being called "master" by the very people they believe they are defending.

Blogger M Cephas May 12, 2016 1:30 AM  

White suicide would be more accurate than white genocide. White people are choosing to have less children, if any, which has a far bigger impact than any small percentage of interracial relations that they'll complain about.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 12, 2016 1:44 AM  

does anyone pay attention?

Positive.

You need it to be positive.


No, they aren't listening. I tried - everybody was too busy coming up with lamer versions of #whitegenocide to listen.

Blogger SciVo May 12, 2016 2:06 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:does anyone pay attention?

Positive.

You need it to be positive.


No, they aren't listening. I tried - everybody was too busy coming up with lamer versions of #whitegenocide to listen.


Oh come on.

#WhatWeLost (vs. #WhatIfWeLost) is designed for positive pictures of happy, healthy families and communities in the past.

#WhiteMenAreScience and #WhiteKidsAreGold (vs. #WhiteGirlsAreMagic) are designed for positive pictures of kids being civilized and men advancing their civilization.

#DayWithoutGringos (vs. #DayWithoutLatinos) is designed for pictures of absences of all the positive things that we do that everyone takes for granted, to draw attention to them.

#YUH8YT is just goofy. It's designed to shut down a screecher.

Okay, so #AlienRapeCulture, #ImmoralScold and #RapeMultiCulture aren't so great. No one's going to hit 100%.

But there were other people brainstorming positively too. There's some good stuff here. Either pick out what you think is the best, or put out your own suggestions if you think you can do better.

Blogger SciVo May 12, 2016 2:46 AM  

YIH wrote:The 'Stop Trump' (AKA Lizard Queen for dictator) superPAC is embracing the #cuck meme.

top kek.


Deleted of course, but not before it was archived by some guy named "Anonymous" (if that is his real name): MEME MAGIC IS REAL

Anonymous Jack Amok May 12, 2016 3:31 AM  

#WhatWeLost isn't positive. It's got "Lost" right there on the tin, as the Brits might say. I'd suggest something like "WhoBuiltThat or #WhatGrandfatherBuilt for happy societies of the past. If you want to really drive the point home for the thick headed, add #WeInheritedHisDNA or something like that.

Ancestors, DNA, success, happiness - we are their descendants, their blood lives on in us. It is within us to be as successful as they were, all we have to do is live up to their memory.

Loser lose things. Don't harp on what's been lost.

#WhiteMenAreScience and #WhiteKidsAreGold... I dunno. Comes across as too #ButtHurt and #TryHard to me, but give em a run and see if you get any bites. My guess is no one who isn't already spouting #WhiteGenocide will buy, but I could be wrong.

When it comes to kids, I like #BlueEyedDaddiesFTW or #DaddyBlueEyes better. They're way less butt hurt, way more playful, but I think they'll make women think very hard about the impact the sperm donor will have on how her kids look.

#DayWithoutGringos comes across as too defensive. But something like #GringoCulturalOppression with pictures of normal, happy, pleasant neighborhoods, engineering accomplishments, hospitals, Fire trucks, public parks... that might be more like it. Agree and amplify.

Anonymous brentg May 12, 2016 3:44 AM  

#loveisreal

Anonymous Nxx May 12, 2016 4:27 AM  

does anyone pay attention?

Positive.

You need it to be positive.


I think what you actually mean to say is that you need it to be funny.

SJW is funny. Cuck is funny. Rapefugees is funny. Insults are never positive but they can be funny. And it's the funny that drives virality.

I'll add that it is not just hard but outright impossible to find a WhiteGenocide substitute that is positive.

Grievance is the core essence of identity politics. My grievance is X therefore I am an anti-X and my opponents are pro-X.

For example, my grievance is white replacement, I am anti-replacement and my opponents are pro-replacement.

A grievance is necessarily a negative.

Anonymous Rona May 12, 2016 4:42 AM  

...clinging to suboptimal tactics is one of the most effective ways to ensure one fails to accomplish one's strategic goals.

Yes, many white nationalists refuse to understand this and drop stuff that clearly doesn't work.

Instead, they push ineffective mantras/memes, spend time infighting about Ramzpaul and J. Taylor and unironically screaming Hitler was right!

What is especially annoying is their inability to understand multiple approaches to goal. So, everyone on the right not sporting SS regalia and reducing everything to jews must be shunned.

Rona

Anonymous George of the Jungle May 12, 2016 4:45 AM  

#darkieworshipper

Anonymous George of the Jungle May 12, 2016 4:59 AM  

#darkiefetish

Anonymous Nxx May 12, 2016 7:57 AM  

#DiversityOrCivility
#DinduismOrCivilization
#ExtinctionOrExpulsion
#DemographicDinduDeath

Blogger Otto Lamp May 12, 2016 8:34 AM  

I think the problem with cuckservative is many people cringe at using such a crude term (cuck).

There's nothing about SJW (social justice warrior) that comes across as crude, so everyone feels comfortable using it. Perhaps a variation on cuckservative might work better:

Judas Conservative (may have same proble as cuck)
Double Cross Conservative
Turncoat Conservative
Mole Conservative
Benedict Arnold Conservative
Backstabber Conservative
Snake Conservate (in honor of Trump's poem)
Quisling Conservative (my favorite, but the word is a little obscure)


Blogger sysadmn May 12, 2016 8:52 AM  

Looks like someone understands good rhetoric, Evil Lord of Evil: http://www.vdare.com/letters/a-virginia-reader-reports-the-alternative-for-germany-afd-hitting-back-against-the-msm-like-donald-trump

tl;dr - German Magazine mocks AFDs nationalist party as rural rednecks, by depicting them as Norman Rockwell-ish hicks. AFD flips the page, substituting Muslim 'Germans'.

Blogger Todd Miller May 12, 2016 9:12 AM  

Well what is the best way to address ... White Genocide?

Since it is quite real as defined by the UN.

Blogger Bernard Brandt May 12, 2016 9:35 AM  

'White Genocide' is far more satisfying when whites are delivering it. It is better to give than to receive.

Blogger Bernard Brandt May 12, 2016 10:00 AM  

'White Genocide' is far more satisfying when whites are delivering it. It is better to give than to receive.

Anonymous tunglet May 12, 2016 11:24 AM  

The cuck meme was recoined and insulted into existing as new word by calling the /pol/acks that don't oppose white gencide for cucks.

I'll admit that it was the anti-whites that had posted cuck porn to shame the racists on pol, that made /pol/acks know the word enough to use it on moot, but using it in a metaphorical way in order to weaponize it a hate-word*, was very intentional.

* Hate-Word = a word with a baggage that make them shame people and shut down debate. Cuck has this from male primordial instincts.

That people would want to change parts of the white genocide memeplex in order to make it serve their agenda, was also reckoned to happen, so all of you guys are welcome to try.

All discussion of the white genocide meme only works to spread it, as before people discussed if "White genocide" is good propaganda or not, few people had given white genocide
a serious thought.

Anonymous Sagramore May 12, 2016 3:13 PM  

@84 @87 rixatrix

@145 Yeah, and that Sinead, I hear she burns coal. And Spencer and that Orthodox dude and... well, every eceleb or GOTIS case has some flaw.

OT: To that poor woman at the video game store in Drummondville: you had those loop earrings, I thought it was a Sarkpuppet secret shopping excursion.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 12, 2016 8:06 PM  

Whitegenocide is inherently weak because it is defensive. Whatever meme you devise, it must always attack, never defend.

Blogger Todd Miller May 12, 2016 9:25 PM  

How is accusing someone of genocide "weak"?

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2016 12:56 AM  

How is accusing someone of genocide "weak"?

The same way running to the teacher to say the mean bully pushed you down is.

Weak people aren't the victims of genocide.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 13, 2016 2:24 AM  

"Hell, let's talk about some important issues.

VD, are you going to resume the VPFL this year?"

You know I love ya like a brother, Clay.
But that shit ain't at the forefront right as of now.
When der trumpenfurher gets elected, then the foobbaw gets to to be top shelf agin. just sayin'.

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