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Friday, May 13, 2016

A terrible peace

Robert E. Lee is supposed to have said, “It is well that war is so terrible, or we would grow too fond of it.” But when I look around at the wreckage of what now passes for Western culture, when I see the ongoing degradation and decline of Western civilization, I cannot help but think that perhaps peace is more terrible still.

Seventy years of relative peace and prosperity has made our young men hedonists and homosexuals, cravens and cowards who are more inclined to literally emasculate themselves than demonstrate even a modicum of courage. Seventy years of relative tranquility and safety has made our young women into shameless sluts and whores, barren harridans and harpies devoid of self-respect and self-control.

What has peace done for our morals, for our arts, for our sciences? What has peace done for our universities, for our churches, for our moribund civic and social institutions? What has peace done for our nations, invaded by pagans and barbarians and prostrated before them, too helpless to even complain, let alone resist? What has peace done for our minds, our souls, even our bodies, fat, bloated, soft, and weak?

Is it possible that too many generations of peace and pleasure have proven to be little more than an enervating cancer on our culture? Is it possible that peace is more terrible than war?

If these are the fruits of peace, then peace is a dreadful thing. If this is truly the best that peace has to offer, then for the sake of Man and Western civilization, let there be war.

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Blogger Stilicho May 13, 2016 5:42 AM  

There will be war

Blogger SciVo May 13, 2016 5:48 AM  

Peace is exhaustion because life is conflict. Our federation ended a century and a half ago because there came a point where to accede to empire was less grief than to fight on further.

Then it was easier to accede to the SCOTUS raping the Constitution and imposing one rule on the various states, because we would have to revisit Lincoln's war to reassert subsidiarity.

But I assert that the problem is not peace but prosperity, because we will always find cause for conflict; whereas lassitude will make our limbs weak, and idle minds are the devil's thinktank.

The problem is not peace, which was imposed by violence, and can never really exist as such without someone instantly creating conflict. No, the problem is a deficiency of uncertainty; so that women can argue over whether the problem with men is that masculinity is too toxic, or men aren't manning up enough.

You say let there be war, I say let there be deprivation. We are perhaps in violent agreement, but the distinction may make a difference in how we prepare for life after the sea change.

Anonymous a non May 13, 2016 5:48 AM  

Civil war.

Blogger Dirtnapninja May 13, 2016 6:05 AM  

IMHO the west died on the battlefields of ww1.

What remains is not the west..but a kind of anti-west.

Anonymous A derp May 13, 2016 6:06 AM  

This reminds me of the Screwtape Letters - that God permits war to occur, because the alternative is far more horrible.

Blogger Stilicho May 13, 2016 6:08 AM  

@2 man is not designed by his creator for the fat lassitude of peace and prosperity. He is designed to strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. When he is deprived of the opportunity to follow his nature, pressure builds and seeks an outlet.

There WILL be war.

Blogger JACIII May 13, 2016 6:09 AM  

Technological force multipliers and the nature of a large country have prevented more than a tiny fraction of the male population to go to war in this time span and none save the massacred have experienced war coming to them. We fight a paper war daily against traitors in our midst, and our self appointed betters are assembling their barbarians even now.

The body responds to micro doses of poison with invigoration. Might the body politic react the same way?

Blogger Viisaus May 13, 2016 6:24 AM  

This Eastern Orthodox source exposes the basely materialistic character of secular humanitarianism, ecumenism or pacifism - this kind of corrupt charity is not inspired by true Christianity, but by pagan Epicurean Utilitarianism:

http://www.ellopos.net/politics/kalomoiros-papacy.html

"Those who speak the most of love towards man and humanity, of peace and union, are precisely those who hate the most their neighbor, their acquaintance. They love man the creation of their own imagination; they do not love man the reality. This worship of the idol «man» is in reality narcissism; it is the worship of the ego.

It would be naiveté, therefore, if one were to believe that the pacifist disposition that characterizes humanity today proceeds from love. These words about love are hypocrisy and self-deception. This desire for peace proceeds from loss of ideals, from fear, and from love of comfort. It is the desire to be left in peace to enjoy the good things of this earth. It is the conventional co-operation for acquisition of goods which each person separately would not be able to acquire. It is a universal understanding upon something which has become the passion of the whole earth: sensualism and materialism. It is a product of necessity.

The peace of which the world speaks is an unconditional capitulation of everything good and sacred and great, and the dominance of pettiness, mediocrity, and lukewarmness. It is the blotting out of the personality of individuals and of peoples. It is a marmalade of compromises and calculations, a sea of hypocrisy, indifference for truth, betrayal of everything holy and sacred.

War is a terrible thing, a result of the fall of man, and no one is about to praise it. But the peace for which the world is haggling is something infinitely more fearful. A fever is a very unpleasant thing, but it shows at least that the organism is reacting against something bad which has entered it. The peace which they wish to bring is not, unfortunately, that which comes from the victory over evil, but that which comes from defeat. It is the feverlessness of a corpse."

Blogger SciVo May 13, 2016 6:27 AM  

@6 While toxicology says that the poison is in the dose, we show a much higher tolerance than native Europeans. I would rather have twenty million mestizos than a million Muslims, but there could easily be twice that of each, and we're behind in objecting to our replacement.

Blogger Viisaus May 13, 2016 6:28 AM  

And here is another spicy comment, from a Calvinist preacher Arthur Pink:

"The gospel of Satan is not a system of revolutionary principles, nor yet a program of anarchy. It does not promote strife and war, but aims at peace and unity. It seeks not to set the mother against her daughter nor the father against his son, but fosters the fraternal spirit whereby the human race is regarded as one great ‘brotherhood.’ It does not seek to drag down the natural man, but to improve and uplift him. It advocates education and cultivation and appeals to ‘the best that is within us.’ It aims to make this world such a comfortable and congenial habitat that Christ’s absence from it will not be felt and God will not be needed."

– A.W. Pink

Or as Rudyard Kipling put it:

“In times of war, and not before,
God and the soldier men adore;
When the war is o’er and all things righted,
The Lord’s forgot and the soldier slighted.”

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2016 6:35 AM  

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”


― John Stuart Mill, Principles of Political Economy

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier May 13, 2016 6:36 AM  

There is a time and a purpose for all things under Heaven.

Blogger Ron May 13, 2016 6:38 AM  

You are all forgetting the horror of actual war. What we have fought in Desert Storm was not a war, it was a massacre of a totally inferior opponent. And even that had a horrific price on our young men. There are even prophecies talking about those wars and God's divine aid of our side.

No one alive remembers the actual meaning of the horror of WWII. We are forgetting that those soldiers, boys and men, were torn apart mentally as well as physically. Not to mention the disgusting nature of where a man is forced to take orders at the behest of any other man. Remember that MPAI in a combat situation you MUST take the command of the officer, ESPECIALLY if he is a fool. Because if you don't, no one else will take any orders that frighten them. Is this what you want for your young men?

You are talking about war, a real conflict, where men get torn apart like bullets going through water balloon, because that is exactly what the physical body of a man is. A water balloon being attacked by napalm, radiation, bullets, mines, shrapnel, knives, sticks, poisons, etc.

All these pompous statements about the glories of war are utterly meaningless. What is war? War is the failure of men in peacetime. War is what happens when we do not fear it enough to stamp the hell out of the morons that ruin our lives enough that we contemplate civilizational suicide.

War is what happens when we do not fear it enough to prevent the moral dissolution and chaos we see around us. Because it is that moral dissolution that is bringing us directly to war.

Anonymous Alice De Goon May 13, 2016 6:40 AM  

It seemed to be a running theme in the Old Testament Bible: The Israelites forget God and start sacrificing to idols, God gets mad and allows the Israelites to be defeated by their enemies, a revival happens and the Israelites rediscover God, they defeat their enemies, peace and prosperity comes and they forget God and flock to idols, God allows them to fall into their enemies' hands again, and the cycle continues, etc... One of the things that always surprises me is how much the Modern World has completely forgotten about the idea of cycles. They really DO think that history only travels in a straight line and the post-scarcity Star Trek Utopia will one day become a reality. They just need to wait longer and vote in more gimmedats. And Free College. Because THAT totally won't lower the value of the degrees that college graduates currently have....

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier May 13, 2016 6:42 AM  

If Christ and His disciples are our examples, then it should be a guerrilla war for hearts and minds, not a shooting war for territory and possesions.

Interesting that Lind says the "moral" level of war trumps all the others, and that is the level that our Lord and Savior almost exclusively fought on last time He was here. Of course, I've got it on pretty good authority that it might be different the second time around.

Blogger Viisaus May 13, 2016 6:43 AM  

Friedrich Nietzsche also, in his famous description of the contemptible "Last Man", observed in sardonic manner that the "love" these decadent types feel towards each other is not the Christian kind of grand self-sacrificing love, but is ultimately based on petty utilitarian self-interest - they want to feel nice and warm, to have "safe spaces" so to speak, and simply do not have guts to fight:

http://praxeology.net/zara.htm

"They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth. One still loves one's neighbor and rubs against him; for one needs warmth.
...

People still quarrel, but are soon reconciled -- otherwise it upsets their stomachs."

Blogger SciVo May 13, 2016 6:45 AM  

@9 So let our peacetime be like war, as SJWs want anyway to their folly. Let us shame the sluts, scorn the bastards, mock the queers, hate the traitors, and pity the godless as our wise forefathers did.

Blogger Edward May 13, 2016 6:45 AM  

It's not just peace -> decline.

It's prosperity -> diet/education -> civilisational complexity -> delayed reproduction -> intergenerational biological/personality/maturation rate changes -> moral value changes -> hedonism -> further diet/education/expectation changes -> further delayed reproduction -> further biological/personality/maturation rate changes -> decline.

So you can't just blame the millenials for being queer/retarded/narcissists, they were just born that way. You can maybe blame the baby boomers for waiting till their late 20s / mid thirties to start having kids, and feeding them lots of junk food, but they were in turn under their parents thumbs who obviously wanted them to have better lives and be more financially secure before they started having babies.
Each generation since the 30s has grown up under an ever more pervasive and effective media/marketing/advertising/propaganda engine which always promotes increasing narcissism and hedonism as a way of pushing it's products.

So maybe blame the people that came up with the pill, or the people that allowed it to become mainstream, etc. but each generation was just trying to further their own interests, as much as we are doing now by trying to figure this stuff out.
I blame Edward Bernays etc who taught all the big businesses how to manipulate everyone else into buying stuff they didn't really need, which set in motion the machine that can't be stopped.

Now we realise we can't fix the kids biology, they will want what they want, and sexually behave how they want, but we can let the homos be homo, the trans people transition, and try to claw back some of the other values have been lost since the 50s.

Or try to enforce strict 50s sexual morality at the cost of other kinds of mental illnesses, and watch the rest of the infrastructure collapse around us.

You can have long-term stability, under a much stricter religious regime, which doesn't let the reproduction cycle slide, and thus doesn't create/tolerate more gender variance, but we had that for a long time in Europe, and there was a reason we called it the dark ages. It's very hard to have both ever improving living standards and technical innovation / mass communication, without also having excessive civilisational complexity and moral decline. The phases are just biologically incompatible, which is why empires always rise and fall.

The enlightenment/science is itself a product of gender variance, queer people do science/engineering when they can't have sex. Let them have sex and they'll stop doing so much science. Don't let them have sex and they'll eventually try to immanentize the eschaton and destroy the planet in the process. Once they exist you can't stop them being queer, so you have to decide what you want them to do, but the fastest way to totally destroy a civilisation is to let the queer people start trying to run everything and so leave it to them to define the public morality of the younger generations.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 May 13, 2016 6:47 AM  

Consider what "70 years of relative peace" (I dispute that of course) has done to "our" young women, you know, now that all the heavy lifting has been done.
CaptDMO

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2016 6:51 AM  

@12

"You are all forgetting the horror of actual war."

Ron, you should know better than to make blanket statements like that here. Some of us have intimate experience with the results of war, granted our more modern conflicts have consisted of vignettes of violence as compared to priors.

Blogger Viisaus May 13, 2016 6:56 AM  

One could say that the only people modern Shitlibs are brave enough to kill are unborn babies. They cannot hit back, you know.

The abortion issue alone is enough to show that all their talk about the "sanctity of human life" is hypocritical bullshit. They are very ready to kill babies (and elderly people) if that will make their life more confortable.

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. May 13, 2016 7:04 AM  

I kind of understand what you mean but speaking from a Rwandese vantage point (Far from Western Civilization of course) who still fight tears back at each genocide commemoration, i wouldn't encourage a trading of peace for war. I think that Robert E. Lee might have been on the right direction and so would have been St. Paul: 'Pray this way for kings and all who are in authority so that we can live peaceful and quiet lives marked by godliness and dignity. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.' 1 Timothy 2:2-4

Blogger Ahazuerus May 13, 2016 7:04 AM  

From the perspective of church history this is absolutely correct. When the church was under constant attack, threatened daily with extinction and ruthlessly prosecuted, it overthrew the mightiest empire the world had known at that time. But once it achieved power over that world it became corrupt and degraded.

The faith is not merely supposed to be militant - i.e. to understand and accept that we are engaged in warfare for the destinies of all people - but as the muslims have been showing us, the church must be militant.

Instead we have become flabby, soft and useless. The sooner the conditions leading to this are done away with, the better.

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 7:06 AM  

You are all forgetting the horror of actual war.

No, we're not. We're noting that DESPITE all the admittedly terrible horrors of war, they did not produce the degeneration and monstrosities that we are witnessing today. Bombs blew up paintings, to be sure, but they did not destroy the ability to paint beautiful paintings. Peace and prosperity did that.

War destroyed the body, but it did not destroy the spirit and the soul in the way peace and prosperity have. Did not the warlike Greeks warn of the danger of lotus-eating?

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 7:08 AM  

I kind of understand what you mean but speaking from a Rwandese vantage point (Far from Western Civilization of course) who still fight tears back at each genocide commemoration, i wouldn't encourage a trading of peace for war.

First, don't bother with the emotional appeals. So you shed a few tears over some dead Africans, so fucking what? Go make a record with some pop stars or something.

Second, Rwanda remains Rwanda. Do you think you'll be able to say the same of London should it enjoy another 70 years of peace?

Blogger The Kurgan May 13, 2016 7:09 AM  

Correction: women never really had much self-control to begin with, which is why they were to obey their husbands. As a general principle it is not wrong and leads to civilisation.

The ensluttening and inharpy-eing of women is really, to my mind, also the fault of those men too timid to tell the first crazy, murderous, Harridan lesbians to:
Bitch, STFU! And promptly shoving them in a home for the mentally infirm to get cured of their severe mental illnesses if they didn't do so promptly indeed.

OpenID xsyq May 13, 2016 7:17 AM  

Unfortunately peace too often brings a lack of ambition and urgency. There's no reason to care about morals and law when there's plenty of food and entertainment. I am reminded of what Screwtape wrote, "And how disastrous for us is the continual remembrance of death which war enforces. One of our best weapons, contented worldliness, is rendered useless. In wartime not even a human can believe that he is going to live forever."

Anonymous kfg May 13, 2016 7:18 AM  

" . . . it did not destroy the spirit and the soul in the way peace and prosperity have."

Put me down with @4 as believing that that's exactly what WWI actually did, that we are here because of 100 years of war broken spirit and soul.

It is not merely men, but Western civilization that lies buried in Flanders fields. We broke, and broke faith.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 13, 2016 7:21 AM  

Time for the Golden Path

Blogger Doom May 13, 2016 7:21 AM  

Something I mentioned, and more than once, during these various Middle Eastern wars was that going to war was better for our men than living a civilian life, and most certainly better than going to college. It's good to see you finally agree. If, most likely, somehow, you still don't. I don't think it was good for the women who went. How many have become barren for it, one way or another? Bearing children is all they are worth at this point, unless they are themselves foreigners, then... sign up up, conscript them.

If there is a hope for the future of the West, it isn't in academia, the church (any of them, all feminized and queered), globalist or even America first business practices... it will be in those men who were taught reality through war. Assuming you can keep your governments from suppressing, oppressing, or outright murdering them. Good luck keeping your governments from spoiling such hard-won training for it's best citizens.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2016 7:22 AM  

This post reminds me of many of the neocon columns before Iraq, about war leading to national greatness and a sense of purpose, etc.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling May 13, 2016 7:23 AM  

Seventy years of relative peace and prosperity

Relative only in the sense that our major adversary during that period fought us by indirect means, but that doesn't make them any less lethal in the long term. See, for example, Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America. Which is but one of many sources documenting this attack.

Our current situation is probably not unique in history, but I don't believe it's quite the normal war civilizations, nations or empires die.

Anonymous Marron May 13, 2016 7:27 AM  

War destroyed the body, but it did not destroy the spirit and the soul in the way peace and prosperity have.

For one thing, you can't remember or forget the horrors of actual war, since you have only read about them and not experienced them first hand. It's not a game of ASL.

But to the above quote, it was two World Wars that destroyed the spirit and soul of Europe in the first place.

Blogger Robert What? May 13, 2016 7:27 AM  

@Dirtnapninja, very true and perceptive. If WW1 was the death of the West, then WW2 was the first SJW war, and it was the most horrible of all.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 13, 2016 7:27 AM  

Seventy years of relative peace and prosperity has made our young men hedonists and homosexuals, cravens and cowards who are more inclined to literally emasculate themselves than demonstrate even a modicum of courage.


I suspect that it's prosperity that is the real problem here. Human beings are built for desire not satisfaction. Give people everything they want and they fall apart every time.

This post touches hard on something I have been thinking about lately. The Urgency of Survival.

I recently ran across a statistic that shocked me. I didn't believe it at first and then I started running it through the mazes of my mind. And I realized it was perfectly true.

Almost everyone born before 1961 went through a period of malnutrition at some point in their lives.

Think about that for a moment or two. Almost everyone.

Food wasn't as plentiful or anywhere near as cheap as it is now. Prior to 1961 if the meat was past it's sell by date and vegetables were wilted, you boiled them to death and seasoned the hell out of them. You then tried not to think about the taste and you roared at your kids if they didn't finish everything on their plate because what was on their plate was it. There was nothing else available, the cupboard was usually bare. Making kids eat gone off food was a matter of survival.

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 7:27 AM  

This post reminds me of many of the neocon columns before Iraq, about war leading to national greatness and a sense of purpose, etc.

It seems we can always rely upon you to say something bitchy and stupid these days. Are you feeling the need to fill Porky's shoes or something?

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 7:30 AM  

For one thing, you can't remember or forget the horrors of actual war, since you have only read about them and not experienced them first hand. It's not a game of ASL.

And yet, war never led men to cut off their penises or gain 300 pounds. You petty pedants are completely missing the point in your rush to quibble over irrelevancies. Nearly every human society regularly survived periodic wars for thousands of years. 70 years of merely relative quasi-peace and ours is on the verge of collapse.

Blogger Ron May 13, 2016 7:30 AM  

@VD

War gave half of Europe the benefits of communism, which actually did strangle the soul and produced the abomination known as "socialist art".

War did blow up the paintings, and it also blew up many of the painters. It also traumatized an entire generation of people. WWI utterly destroyed any faith the population had in the Western Churches and government. WWII destroyed any faith the population had in their own decency of heart.

The victory of that war gave rise to the evil concepts of the false gods of Industrialization and Social programming. Because of the hopelessness men gave up their freedoms to the commands of others. We are still suffering the effects of those disasters.

On the other hand, the Peace and prosperity God has granted you, have given YOU the ability to reach the masses. Think about back when you were a young man. Do you remember why you adopted a religious mindset, do you remember the emptiness and pointlessness of that life? Look at Roosh's writings, how he is casting about trying to find meaning. That is only possible because he isn't dealing with half of his limbs blown off and his best friend dribbling like a vegetable with a bullet lodged in the brain.

Did not the warlike Greeks warn of the danger of lotus-eating?

The Greeks destroyed themselves in pointless conflict, and ruined everything to the West of India in a spasm of bloodletting. They burnt down Tyre, raped their way through the Afghans, killed men they had never even heard of in the far Ind. And for what? An empire that shattered itself only two generations later and slavery to Rome from that point to this.

How much more good they could have accomplished if they focused on building themselves up and spreading Hellenism by example instead of by murder and torment.

Blogger Robert What? May 13, 2016 7:31 AM  

The "peace" has been preserved for the last 75 years for one primary reason: atomic and nuclear weapons.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2016 7:31 AM  


It almost doesn't matter what great task government sets for itself, as long as it does some tangible thing with energy and effectiveness. The first task of government is to convey a spirit of confidence and vigor that can then spill across the life of the nation. Stagnant government drains national morale. A government that fails to offer any vision merely feeds public cynicism and disenchantment.

But energetic government is good for its own sake. It raises the sights of the individual. It strengthens common bonds. It boosts national pride. It continues the great national project. It allows each generation to join the work of their parents. The quest for national greatness defines the word " American" and makes it new for every generation.


David Brooks

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 13, 2016 7:33 AM  

"Robert E. Lee is supposed to have said, “It is well that war is so terrible, or we would grow too fond of it."
He said that, VOX. Amen. I am glad that YOU said it.
It's the damn truth. It don't matter which side of the fence you was on. Who in blue hell could argue with that ?

Blogger Josh May 13, 2016 7:34 AM  

It seems we can always rely upon you to say something bitchy and stupid these days. Are you feeling the need to fill Porky's shoes or something?

No, but I think your thesis is flawed.

Europe had a similar era of relative peace after Napoleon and they didn't see their culture collapse to the extent that ours have.

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. May 13, 2016 7:36 AM  

'First, don't bother with the emotional appeals. So you shed a few tears over some dead Africans, so fucking what? Go make a record with some pop stars or something.'

I am just trying to be a good student. Rhetoric + dialectic. Nothing mean. :)

'Second, Rwanda remains Rwanda. Do you think you'll be able to say the same of London should it enjoy another 70 years of peace?'

If a genocide happens in London, i think it would still be a tragic development. I may not have an emotional attachment to London since i don't live there, but i would certainly be appalled if any tragic development happen to them i suppose.

My point was i kind of understand what you mean above but peace is still a better thing though than war.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 13, 2016 7:38 AM  

@34

The point I forgot to make was this.

A real threat to your survival is the ultimate reality. It keeps you grounded.

When the Millennials came along, even the memory of real hunger had faded.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2016 7:38 AM  

Now if you want to promote war as a means of civilizational renewal, might I suggest a different war?


For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 13, 2016 7:38 AM  

Josh, you up early, takin' care of that fine young lad ?
Bless ya brother .

Blogger Wrangler May 13, 2016 7:40 AM  

Great observation VD. I don't think it is war, but overcoming challenges that forges men. War will work, but ideally another means is preferably. Wars rob nations of many of it's best young men through death on the battlefield, which leaves beta men to sire and rear the next generation. Europe's decline can be traced to losing it's best men between 1914 and 1945. Protect the good seed.

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 7:40 AM  

The "peace" has been preserved for the last 75 years for one primary reason: atomic and nuclear weapons.

Agreed.

It almost doesn't matter what great task government sets for itself, as long as it does some tangible thing with energy and effectiveness. The first task of government is to convey a spirit of confidence and vigor that can then spill across the life of the nation. Stagnant government drains national morale. A government that fails to offer any vision merely feeds public cynicism and disenchantment.

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2016 7:41 AM  

I don't think it is war, but overcoming challenges that forges men.

I agree

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 7:42 AM  


If a genocide happens in London, i think it would still be a tragic development. I may not have an emotional attachment to London since i don't live there, but i would certainly be appalled if any tragic development happen to them i suppose.


Who said anything about genocide. What if, through peace and prosperity, London transforms into Londonistan. Is that tragic too, or is that a wonderful thing to be celebrated?

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 7:43 AM  

Correllation. Causation.

Rome had constant war. The persian empire had constant war. Both fell the same way the US is falling.

These are just the stages of Empire. If you want to blame something... blame human nature.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 7:43 AM  

"Who said anything about genocide. What if, through peace and prosperity, London transforms into Londonistan."

Mate if that happens then London wasn't worth saving.

Blogger Salt May 13, 2016 7:44 AM  

Do you think you'll be able to say the same of London should it enjoy another 70 years of peace?

The problem isn't peace. The problem is that London, Detroit, Paris et al are suffering the wrong kind of violence. The crack house down the street exists because government says it shall exist. Our local constabulary doesn't get rid of it and those who are there. The individual shall be prosecuted if he does. Terrorists are entering the EU because the EU says they shall. Say the wrong thing about them and you'll be arrested.

I don't see the world as more peaceful, but as wrongly violent. Better to be rightly violent.

Blogger Ron May 13, 2016 7:45 AM  

@John Mosby

he is losing heart because he is a righteous man that sees the horror of this generation and cannot tolerate it. I'm seeing more and more righteous men adopting this mindset.

I believe this is a sign that God is losing patience. We must redouble our efforts in prayer, self growth and chastisement of the wicked. Remember that God hears the prayers of all men no matter what they have done, and one prayer can tip the entire balance of His decision.

But it also means we also have to arm ourselves and get ready for a fight and suffering, because our prayers may not be enough.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 13, 2016 7:46 AM  

@50 Nate

These are just the stages of Empire. If you want to blame something... blame human nature.

Agreed.

Blogger Michael Maier May 13, 2016 7:48 AM  

I strongly suspect the fake money system the world has used for over 100 years plays a strong part. Fake prosperity papering over a world of BS.

Fake food, fake jobs, fake houses.. plus subsidizing failure, thus encouraging more of it.

I hate to think of the death and war that will follow, but I almost hope I see the crash of the world monetary system and a return to gold and silver coins in hand.

And death by torture for anyone counterfeiting or even uttering the words "fractional reserve banking" as a proposition.

The molten lead slowly poured down the throat sounds good but I bet it over far too quickly.

Blogger Michael Maier May 13, 2016 7:49 AM  

Salt wrote:Do you think you'll be able to say the same of London should it enjoy another 70 years of peace?

The problem isn't peace. The problem is that London, Detroit, Paris et al are suffering the wrong kind of violence. The crack house down the street exists because government says it shall exist. Our local constabulary doesn't get rid of it and those who are there. The individual shall be prosecuted if he does. Terrorists are entering the EU because the EU says they shall. Say the wrong thing about them and you'll be arrested.

I don't see the world as more peaceful, but as wrongly violent. Better to be rightly violent.


Seconded. I want to love my fellow man, but like Vox has said here before: God loves His warriors, too.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 13, 2016 7:50 AM  

London transforms into Londonistan. Is that tragic too, or is that a wonderful thing to be celebrated?
NOT NO. BUT HELLS TO THE NO.

Blogger CM May 13, 2016 7:50 AM  

These are just the stages of Empire. If you want to blame something... blame human nature.

Sometimes, I get caught up in the concern about the state of our country and civilization. But then something like this quote is stated and the world is back in proper perspective.

We live in a degenerative world where all this has happened before. And as much as we hate what it is, either Christ is coming soon or its not as bad as its gonna get.

Blogger Doom May 13, 2016 7:51 AM  

While methods other than war might certainly be preferred, the truth is, in this modern Western society, there aren't options. Actually, if the West is to survive, not only must men become more warlike, they will have to embark on a path that cannot but lead to war, civil perhaps first, then against foreign invaders if they succeed against their own governments. Either that or they will submit or be murdered.

It's not so much a choice at this point. Nukes or not.

Blogger Josh May 13, 2016 7:53 AM  

Vox, I think this essay is asking similar questions: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/06/09/semper-virilis-a-roadmap-to-manhood-in-the-21st-century/

Barring catastrophic societal collapse or another World War, there’s hardly anything in our current season of civilization that will compel men to live the ancient and universal code of manhood. If you wish to live the way of men, you will, just as the Stoics did, have to intentionally choose to buck the tide of our culture, exercise your agency, and decide to live it yourself.

Without some outside force coercing them to live the code, most modern men will follow the path of least resistance and not even try. Naturally, this has and continues to produce social problems in regards to men that governments and pundits wring their hands about.

Blogger Ron May 13, 2016 7:54 AM  

Well, one thing is for sure, Vox as usual never has any boring posts.

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. May 13, 2016 7:55 AM  

'Londonistan'

I agree that Londonistan wouldn't be a positive development of a once christian nation since the current Islam ruled nations that used to be Christians aren't doing great. Islam not good at producing christian rooted civilization. I get that. However, war is more than overcoming a difficulty or a struggle. War is frankly total. And the morality we pride about, thank to God, seem to become very fragile in times of war. That is why i still think that an alternative to war would be better. I just don't know what an alt would look like except evangelism perhaps!?

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 13, 2016 7:57 AM  

On the other hand, Gen. Lee supposedly also said,
“Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in my right hand.”

Life is for the living and demands its own kind of courage and the carrying of burdens.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 13, 2016 7:57 AM  

The problem isn't peace. The problem is that London, Detroit, Paris et al are suffering the wrong kind of violence.

That is the center of the cancer that is eating our civilization. Human nature and cities.

This is a map of Islam in Great Britain. The dark green shows the highest concentration of Muslims. You will note they are all in urban areas.

Why is that? Because Western Cities have become concentration camps where you stack the useless mouths to feed.

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 7:57 AM  

Say the wrong thing about them and you'll be arrested.

And yet, men of the West were once willing to die to keep the Hun out of Czechoslovakia. Now they're not willing to risk arrest and a slap on the risk in order to preserve London or America.

Blogger SciVo May 13, 2016 7:57 AM  

Josh wrote:This post reminds me of many of the neocon columns before Iraq, about war leading to national greatness and a sense of purpose, etc.

Even if a statement is true, the converse and inverse are not necessarily true. So, peace and prosperity have enabled a crazy and disgusting spurt of aggressive, butch women and weepy, fey men.

That doesn't mean that sending a handful of peeps out to a sandbox would reverse it. In fact, that's kind of dumb, since the queer many would remain unaffected by the experiences of the brave few.

A smarter conclusion would be to make as many tradesmen as possible, since dealing with yes/no physical reality shapes brains right.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 13, 2016 7:59 AM  

53. Ron
i don't disagree with you one bit, sir.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 7:59 AM  

Vox how many decades of peace has Switzerland had? how about Costa Rica?

have these places fallen in the same way that the men of London have? It appears to me they have not. And yet they have had peace for many many more generations.

Anonymous kfg May 13, 2016 7:59 AM  

" . . .civil perhaps first, then against foreign invaders . . ."

I think it likely in many places that the first strike against the government will look like a strike against the foreign invaders.

Blogger Ron May 13, 2016 8:06 AM  

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Blogger VD May 13, 2016 8:09 AM  

Vox how many decades of peace has Switzerland had? how about Costa Rica?

That's a relevant point. But Switzerland has relentlessly trained for war. It recently sent an entire tank battalion to the border just because immigrants MIGHT be trying to get through there this summer. Costa Rica already exhibits the lotus-eating, if I recall correctly.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 8:10 AM  

"Costa Rica already exhibits the lotus-eating, if I recall correctly."

and also happens to be home to the largest Intel manufacturing facility in the world.

Blogger Salt May 13, 2016 8:11 AM  

VD wrote:And yet, men of the West were once willing to die to keep the Hun out of Czechoslovakia.

Reminds me of the film, El Cid. When attacking the fortress, they catapulted bread to the starving and yelling to the people inside to rid themselves of their leaders. "We give you bread!"

Similarly, at the beginning of the French Terror, the people individually could do nothing. It took numbers and even the Army. We haven't had the proper incident yet to generate the numbers which could go to critical mass. Any wonder the government didn't use overwhelming force at Bundy Ranch?


Blogger Eric I. Gatera. May 13, 2016 8:13 AM  

"And yet they have had peace for many many more generations."
Nate is right on this. Peace is not the enemy in this fight.

Blogger Stilicho May 13, 2016 8:14 AM  

Dear pussifists: we don't care.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 8:14 AM  

"That's a relevant point. But Switzerland has relentlessly trained for war."

Never the less it had peace. Far more peace than the US has had.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 13, 2016 8:14 AM  

Forth Generation Warfare = City Warfare

Back in 1990s during one of those godawful future of warfare conference. I was making the best of things, (I was on full per diem and my tolerance for boredom is high thanks to military life) but some guy ("Linda" or something? Fuck it, I don't remember,) caught my attention. This guy said, the future of 21st century warfare will be urban warfare.

I half considered and decided he was right and set about thinking of ways to jam our square peg of our Third Gen war machine into the round hole of Fourth Gen warfare. Since I didn't really understand the whole of what he was talking about.

I don't think I did too much damage since no one on high was listening to either of us. The Marine Corps at that time only cared about riverine warfare.

Blogger Shell May 13, 2016 8:14 AM  

Whether or not war is the way, I am regularly disgusted by the immorality, softness, self-centeredness, and decadence of my generation.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 8:15 AM  

"Nate is right on this. Peace is not the enemy in this fight."

Its sloth and cowardice... and those were caused not by peace... but by Wealth.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 13, 2016 8:19 AM  

As one of Scots /English on my daddy's side, and Scots/ Irish/ Choctaw on my momma's side, I'M a mutt. damn proud of it too.

Anonymous Marrow May 13, 2016 8:19 AM  

And yet, war never led men to cut off their penises or gain 300 pounds.

Not to be pedantic, but I wouldn't say never here. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if one could find either example in someone suffering from the aftermath of combat.

Blogger drstevel May 13, 2016 8:20 AM  

Right on Vox. Very well said.

Anonymous Joe Blowe May 13, 2016 8:23 AM  

Seventy years of peace? No. There has been seventy years of continuous warfare against Western Man and his Civilization. The weapons were not bullets and bombs but TV waves and newsprint. The soldiers and generals were movie stars and black robed judges. Weapons of mass destruction in the form of Forced Integration and "Free Trade". The battle plans were drawn up in places like the Frankfort School and Ford Foundation and directed from command bases like the Council on Foreign Relation. Of course, like real wars this war was instigated and financed by the (((Usual Suspects))).

"They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace." - Tacitus



Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 8:25 AM  

***chuckle***

ok.. so the plant in costa rica is not QUITE the larges... its.. actualy about 1/9th the size of the largest...

BUT STILL!

Lotus eaters don't design and test microprocessors.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 13, 2016 8:27 AM  

@80 Nate

Its sloth and cowardice... and those were caused not by peace... but by Wealth.

Exactly.

I have been saying it for years, humans are built for desire and stress, not satiety and satisfaction.

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 8:27 AM  

Not to be pedantic, but I wouldn't say never here.

That's being pedantic. Literally.

Anonymous kfg May 13, 2016 8:30 AM  

"Whether or not war is the way . . ."

While I, like some others, have some issues with Vox's thesis, I don't think it is a question of whether war is on the way or not.

The war is here, now. The only open question is whether we are going to fight it on our feet, or on our knees. Resistance or submission.

Blogger elguapo May 13, 2016 8:31 AM  

Vox, I do believe you misunderstand the true definition of peace. It is not the absence of wat but the proper application of justice. We have certainly not been at peace here in America for the past 70 years. I dare say I have never seen peace in my lifetime.

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 13, 2016 8:31 AM  

That's being pedantic. Literally.

Well, not literally...

>_>

<_<


oh, heh, never mind...

Anonymous Ain May 13, 2016 8:36 AM  

"We live in a degenerative world where all this has happened before. And as much as we hate what it is, either Christ is coming soon or its not as bad as its gonna get."

It's going to get worse. Much worse. Satanic teachings have been emanating from Lucifer's pit like black smoke and poisoning the world. All the nations that drank of his wine became insane -- which is probably to say, at this point, all the nations. We live in a world that's ruled by evil. We fight against it, but only Christ's return will eradicate it.

Blogger James Dixon May 13, 2016 8:36 AM  

> You are all forgetting the horror of actual war.

Vox is a student of history, as are many here. We haven't forgotten.

> ...you can't remember or forget the horrors of actual war, since you have only read about them and not experienced them first hand.

Typical. You don't have to experience something first hand to learn from it. And it's not like most people haven't experienced death and destruction of some nature first hand.

> then WW2 was the first SJW war

Unlikely. The US Civil Ware could also be classified as such. I'm sure there have been others.

However, I have to disagree with Vox slightly. I don't think it's peace as such that has been our problem. I think it's peace combined with the relentless attacks of the followers of Marx, both from within and without, against the foundations of our country. That's a "war" we weren't prepared to fight, and for along time didn't realize even needed to be fought. The advantages of our own system were so obvious, it never occurred to most people that they would be abandoned in favor of obvious foolishness.

Nate is also correct, but without that influence our country (admitted as an empire, not as a republic) could easily have lasted another 200-300 more years, rather than the likely less than 50 we now have.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 8:37 AM  

"That's being pedantic. Literally."

Its nice to see the word literally used to mean literally... and not figuratively.

Anonymous Godfrey May 13, 2016 8:40 AM  

The culture is managed by global crony wealth elites. People are sheep who are easily deceived, manipulated and led.

Want to know why things have transpired has they have over the last seventy years? Then read the "Jaffe Memo". It's all about drastically reducing population levels.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 13, 2016 8:40 AM  

The problem is not peace, but pacifism.

As others have pointed out, Europe had peace after Waterloo, but not degeneration. Likewise, the United States had peace after the Civil War, but not degeneration.

The difference between those healthy civilizations and our sick one is pacifism. The First and Second World Wars were a shock to the West. Like the Thirty Years War, they plunged deeply into the horrors of unrestricted warfare. But unlike the Thirty Years War, the response was not the establishment of Laws of War, but the abandonment of patriotism.

Atomic weapons had something to do with this. Communist propaganda, which is expressly multi-national, had more. But peace, as such, isn't the problem. It's the denial that anything is worth fighting for.

Blogger James Dixon May 13, 2016 8:42 AM  

> What the hell have the British done?

Since urban areas are the source and growth point of the existing cancer, perhaps a new cancer is in fact the best way to fight it?

Blogger Baseball Mommy May 13, 2016 8:44 AM  

We are the Eloi in Wells' "The Time Machine:" a bunch of attractive pussies.

Blogger pdwalker May 13, 2016 8:47 AM  

I'd also consider the lack of a frontier to be a factor. Man needs a challenge to thrive. A frontier provides that.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 8:50 AM  

"I'd also consider the lack of a frontier to be a factor. Man needs a challenge to thrive. A frontier provides that. "

symptom. Not disease. The Frontier is out there. Its always out there. What changes is, in the later stages of empire men stop looking up to frontiersmen and explorers and start looking up to actors and artists and thinkers.

Anonymous Godfrey May 13, 2016 8:58 AM  

Actually the USG has been at war for the last seventy years. I can't remember a time in my lifetime that the USG wasn't bombing some people in country somewhere. No war? Don't make me laugh. War has been and will continue to be a major preoccupation of the ruling western global elite death cult.

Anonymous Anonymous May 13, 2016 9:02 AM  

Correct. 100% true.

Blogger tz May 13, 2016 9:05 AM  

Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

I cannot think of a time in my life we haven't been at war. I see 60 million dead babies. I see even more damned souls.

We talk about great sports teams, video games, even dojos. Not how great our pastor is. Our high score, not closing down an Abortion mill. At best we are trying to out think, talk, or temp demons with dialectic and rhetoric, neither mentioned as spiritual weapons.

When it comes to the devil, and I've seen Vox correctly describe his utter murderous hatred of mankind.

But the reality is a soft atheism or agnosticism toward the devil. We close our eyes to the very evidence of his existence not unlike the new atheists. Vox gives a detailed list, but doesn't see the devil in the details, literally.

What are your spiritual swords and shields?

Oh, the Devil will have his blood beyond Molech. The Woton, Thor, Mars, Ares pagan altars will be re-erected, and the blood of Christians will flow - and the liberal gun-toting gammas might even stop those other religious zealots, the Muslims. The armies of revitalized warrior spirit will not be Christian, they will be pagan, coming for your guns, your children, and your souls.

A spiritual was is not a culture war. mistaking the two will be fatal for body and soul.

The large cities have fallen. If they were occupied by Nazis it would be obvious, but my recent move is as the retreat of a few Poles to England. Demon occupied territory to one not yet fallen. And you ask why we are like Sodom?

Spiritual 4Fs enjoying their fame, their dolce vita, even their ultimately doomed families like the house the Nazis won't busy themselves with as it provides no resistance.

This Sunday is Pentecost. That is where the answer begins, where the original defeat of Satan's kingdom started. It was war.

But it was a war fought on knees, not by wielding swords. By the breaking of bread (Eucharist), not bones. By fasting, not conquest. Not by allying with Simon Magus but by calling down judgment upon the "nice" sons of the devil.

Anonymous Godfrey May 13, 2016 9:06 AM  

Oh, and let's not forget the western cultural elite's favorite war. They've been waging a literal endless culture war on the family for the last several decades.

Doubt it? Just remember "Bruce" was carted out in a dress within 48 hours of the Supreme Courts ruling on homosexual marriage. "Bruce" is the transvestite poster boy just like Ellen was the homosexual poster girl.

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 9:07 AM  

We are the Eloi in Wells' "The Time Machine:" a bunch of attractive pussies.

Only fat. And not attractive.

Blogger Earl May 13, 2016 9:11 AM  

Peace is OK as long as your train your fingers for justified warfare. It's the wealth, and love of money, and the abandonment of God's justice that's causing our decay, moreso than peace.

Anonymous Feh May 13, 2016 9:13 AM  

100 years of relative peace prevailed between Waterloo and the Guns of August. Yet that did not turn European men into obese lotus-eating freaks. Obviously something is different about the 1945- "long peace" compared to previous ones.

The West is now so culturally, morally, and spiritually rotten that even war cannot "fix" it. Good luck fighting successfully with the human material available now. We need a spiritual revolution before we can fight; but a spiritual revolution might well obviate the need to fight.

Anonymous kfg May 13, 2016 9:14 AM  

"Only fat. And not attractive."

Either fat slobs, or emaciated preeners.

But yeah, not attractive.

Anonymous Godfrey May 13, 2016 9:15 AM  

@101

Excellent points. The Devil hates humanity and he wages war upon it. He is the "Prince of Lies". And we are in enemy territory. But take heart, no matter how often you may fail and fall just get back up and repent and remember you will never be a bigger universal loser than Satan.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 9:16 AM  

"Only fat. And not attractive."

hey! isn't your BMI in the high 20s? don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure some one out the finds you attractive.

Anonymous Viking May 13, 2016 9:18 AM  

Our Lord said "Blessed are the peacemakers." I don't think the problem is with peace itself but rather with the love of sloth. It seems like we have had 70 years of peace and yet we have been under constant attack, in a different fashion, for virtually all of that time. Yet, we have failed in all that time to fight back. We have so loved the illusion of peace that we have failed to fight for what is right and so produce real peace. What does it mean to be a peacemaker? Allowing the Truth to set of free is at least a part of it.

Anonymous Instasetting May 13, 2016 9:18 AM  

This is a Teddy Roosevelt sort of view.

A post-scarcity society would have abundant war....one could see it as academic squabble 'they fight so much over so little' or a great moral adventure.
But once one needs not power or materials, then what is one to war for...entertainment, status, and moral issues. And status wars could be quite frequent and nasty...think of internet flame wars fought with real drones and robots.

Blogger tz May 13, 2016 9:18 AM  

PHONEYS video lecture by Peter Kreeft explains how to win the culture war from the spiritual side.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 13, 2016 9:20 AM  

Ain

Considering this blog and Vox's other one, it's kind of ironical and sad that you make this blunder.

It's not HIS wine making the world mad with fornication - it's HERS

Blogger Rabbi B May 13, 2016 9:21 AM  

The so-called "peace" we have enjoyed for the last 70 years or so, is simply false. People are more enslaved than they ever have been, the only difference being that people have come to love and enjoy their servitude.

“From the least to the greatest,
all are greedy for gain;
prophets and priests alike,
all practice deceit.
They dress the wound of my people
as though it were not serious.
‘Peace, peace,’ they say,
when there is no peace.
Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
No, they have no shame at all;
they do not even know how to blush.
So they will fall among the fallen;
they will be brought down when I punish them,”
says the L-rd.


(cf. Jeremiah 6)

Blogger Chris Gallo May 13, 2016 9:21 AM  

Vox, This is one of the best things you have ever written. It will become the spark of not a few family meetings in my household.

Blogger John Regan May 13, 2016 9:22 AM  

VD - Channeling Nietzsche?

https://books.google.com/books?id=blfwSlxhjvAC&pg=PT73&lpg=PT73&dq=i+welcome+all+signs+that+a+more+manly+warlike+age+is+about+to+begin&source=bl&ots=krUkj4PuEI&sig=GCiM3fUWyvMQMku_GdTBZpvY7X8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIl_KOkdfMAhUBXT4KHXmDBq8Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=i%20welcome%20all%20signs%20that%20a%20more%20manly%20warlike%20age%20is%20about%20to%20begin&f=false

Anonymous Godfrey May 13, 2016 9:24 AM  

@105

What's changed is that the ruling elites have a focused desire to reduce population levels. It actually has been around long before 1945. Things really picked up with the eugenics movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 13, 2016 9:28 AM  

" 46. Blogger Wrangler May 13, 2016 7:40 AM
...
Wars rob nations of many of it's best young men through death on the battlefield, which leaves beta men to sire and rear the next generation. Europe's decline can be traced to losing it's best men between 1914 and 1945. Protect the good seed.
"



You know, after really thinking about casualty numbers in Europe's wars over the centuries I am forced to say that the World Wars were not as bad as we are told. The cream of manhood has always fought and died in war. Just because modern war visits battle over a wider space and therefore more nations does not mean it is worse for those individual nations. It just means they all get hit at the same time. Those nations had war in the past but each at different times and therefore over smaller spaces. Over the span of centuries they all still lost their best men but did so each in turn.

When Hannibal invaded Italy he won battle after battle. Tens of thousands of Roman soldiers lost their lives in each of those battles. It's estimated that one fifth of Rome's men over 17 years old were lost in Hannibal's Italian peninsula campaign. One fifth is 20%. Go look at WWI casualty figures. It isn't as high.

I could go through a list of other European wars and do the same comparison with very close to much the same outcome.

Also, this talk of only betas being left to raise a nation flies in the face of what is taught on every red pill/game related website, that being continual improvement of yourself as a man. Are you certain only weak willed losers were left when the fighting stopped? Are you a weak willed loser? Do you want to improve? Do you think our ancestors enmasse failed to do the same?

Wake the fuck up. Stop denigrating your fathers. You sound like a whiner. The world is fucked up. Deal with it. Your fathers did.

Christians hand wringing over death just does not sit well with me. Is your life not already redeemed by the blood of Jesus? What are you worried about? Is there nothing you are willing to die for? Dying for something is the strongest message you can send. You're going to die anyway, make it count.

As far as the good seed goes, God chose the Hebrews because they were the smallest. God can do what He wants with you as well. The Spirit of God can make any seed good seed. Stop thinking like the world.

Anonymous Anonymous May 13, 2016 9:35 AM  

3-5 years tops. I expect governments to start falling in EU as soon as this year definitely next year in the wake of more jihadi attacks and ongoing invasion by African and Middle eastern "migrants." Massive and wide spread riots in 3...2...1....

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 9:35 AM  

"The so-called "peace" we have enjoyed for the last 70 years or so, is simply false. People are more enslaved than they ever have been, the only difference being that people have come to love and enjoy their servitude. "

***nodes***

Roll Tide.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 13, 2016 9:40 AM  

`` The crack house down the street exists because government says it shall exist. Our local constabulary doesn't get rid of it and those who are there. ''

Our government is the Fifth Column, our police are the enemy's shock troops. The question is not will there be war - there is war. The question is will we try to win. Will we even notice?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 13, 2016 9:42 AM  

Some hillbilly Neechee here, "war is the natural state of man, peace being a break for rearming."

Use the Boyd template here, on the Right we talk about war its the usual gun blather or which general is the better general but what is missing is the moral level of war.

The Right up till the faint beams of light from the alt-right would sell their mothers to Bill Clinton for the opportunity to talk about guns (hardware) or generals.

Fuck that, take the moral level of war and victory is possible with a Daisy Red Rider while being lead by Gomer Fucking Pyle.

Blogger mushroom May 13, 2016 9:46 AM  

Peace at any price is the one time you don't get what you pay for.

Anonymous kfg May 13, 2016 9:47 AM  

@120:

The Crosman Pumpmaster 760 costs the same, but is the superior and more versatile weapon, even if it does have a polymer frame.

Blogger VD May 13, 2016 9:49 AM  

hey! isn't your BMI in the high 20s? don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure some one out the finds you attractive.

I have abs worthy of a Chuck Tingle novel cover.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 13, 2016 9:51 AM  

War destroyed the body, but it did not destroy the spirit and the soul in the way peace and prosperity have. Did not the warlike Greeks warn of the danger of lotus-eating?

War and peace occur in a fractal patterned cycle, you know this.

I suggest that comfort and sloth occur in punctuated equilibria, where from strife-driven embrace of eternal principle comes greater-than-ever-before ease, generating vast complacency and rot, rot that insures hardship (and war as a side-effect.)

For 100 years an ideological war was waged on family and greater-family (shared civilization.) It's driven by a parasitic ideology committed to delusion and it ate away Western Civ from the inside out and top down.

The majestic old oaks in the Western Civ forest are rotten to the core, but their fall need not mean the end of the forest. Western Civ's seeds live in our DNA. Toppling of mighty-looking but rotten old-growth is already insured, and war is likely to be part of the uncontrolled burn of the Western Civ forest.

Each man changes the world by changing himself. The (Alt-)Right movement is a signal that renewal of devotion to eternal principles is in process. When the number of men so moved hits a threshold, the war will be joined (this is the essences of the Trump Phenomenon, which is but the first spark of a much larger change to come.) This conflict will bring together such men, and that group will be the seeds that sprout the vigorous saplings of new Western Civ.

The future always belongs to the Remnant.

Anonymous Ain May 13, 2016 9:54 AM  

@112 "It's not HIS wine making the world mad with fornication - it's HERS"

Lucifer's a bit androgynous.

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Blogger Nick S May 13, 2016 10:00 AM  

OT...sort of.

They've stolen Nate's meme!

Blogger CarpeOro May 13, 2016 10:00 AM  

Switzerland has had peace... but they also have avoided meddling in the affairs of other nations and haven't until recently allowed much immigration. The American Empire has done both. Frequently and to our discredit.

Blogger James Dixon May 13, 2016 10:08 AM  

> They've stolen Nate's meme!

Home school or die.

Blogger John Wright May 13, 2016 10:13 AM  

It is not peace that has done these things, nor prosperity, nor the Jews, nor the immigrants. Great societies fail due to suicide; men and nations commit suicide, quickly or slowly, when they realize their lives serve no purpose; the purpose of life is to love and serve God, and so when secularism arose in the Enlightenment the wake of the Reformation as the truce between Catholic and Protestant, it deprived men of the meaning to their lives, and taught them to seek meaning in earthly things, where it cannot be found. Secularism started as classical liberalism, teaching individualism in matters of conscience (which is a reasonable stance, and when men were reasonable, is workable) and then mutated in the Victorian Age into Marxism, utopianism, and various Darwinian philosophies preaching the evolution, not of biological organisms (which is all Darwin said) but of the spirit of man (which is what Hegel said). The First and Second World Wars, and the Cold War that followed, was between German and Russian secularism and the remnants of Christendom. The Jihad now is an alliance between secularism and Mohammedanism against Christendom. The secular Jews, hating and fearing the Church which has always protected them from popular fury, have sided with the Jihad. The Jihad is not mohammedans only. It is mohammedans and social justice warriors, leftists, Feminist Marxists, Greens, and all other pathologist of secularism.

Were it not for the Left, peace would not be a temptation or a time of corruption.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 10:18 AM  

" They've stolen Nate's meme!"

Curses and Damnation!

Blogger Unknown May 13, 2016 10:19 AM  

You talk about the queering of society doesn't this put put you at odds with Milo?

Blogger Josh May 13, 2016 10:20 AM  

I have abs worthy of a Chuck Tingle novel cover.

SLAMMED IN THE BUTT BY MY OWN NESPRESSO MACHINE?

Blogger Paul Lutgen May 13, 2016 10:23 AM  

Sorry didn't mean to register as unknown. I would use the name of a d and character Delinos.

Blogger Sean May 13, 2016 10:24 AM  

Vox, Have you read "The Devils Pleasure Palace: The cult of critical theory"? I just started reading it last night. It addresses a lot of what this post discusses and would seem to be so far a good companion piece to SJWAL.

Blogger clk May 13, 2016 10:26 AM  

Wow --- this thread has several classic scifi themes ...FPS video games have created a group of willing volunteers looking for glory. What do the men who have lived through war say ?

"I confess without shame that I am tired & sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. Even success, the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies […] It is only those who have not heard a shot, nor heard the shrills & groans of the wounded & lacerated (friend or foe) that cry aloud for more blood & more vengeance, more desolation & so help me God as a man & soldier I will not strike a foe who stands unarmed & submissive before me but will say ‘Go sin no more"

General Willaim Tecumseh Sherman

Anonymous Toz May 13, 2016 10:27 AM  

Reminds me of Chronicles of Narnia. The children go back to Narnia 20 years after the war with the witch is over and note how the animals had "gone soft". There's a sharpness of focus that comes from being attacked and persecuted and a dullness of character that comes from sloth and self-centeredness.

Blessed are those who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, indeed.

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 10:28 AM  

"You talk about the queering of society doesn't this put put you at odds with Milo?"


Milo is on the wall shooting at the bad guys. Don't expect Vox to care what milo puts in his mouth later when they are in a fire fight right now.

You don't see me worrying about Vox's italian shoe fetish do you?

ok maybe a little... but the point stands.

Anonymous johnc May 13, 2016 10:37 AM  

"Seventy years of relative tranquility and safety has made our young women into shameless sluts and whores"

Nahh that was the birth control pill.

At the time WWI was said to be the Suicide of the West, and that's exactly what it was. It wasn't the "peace" that followed later that killed Europe, but the War itself.

But it's okay. Western civilization had to be razed anyway so it could be rebuilt. God allowed WWI because he was extraordinarily angry with his people. And don't worry, He's even angrier today and will wipe us all out soon.

SMOD 2016!

Blogger Ahazuerus May 13, 2016 10:37 AM  

Ain

That was weak, man.

Blogger Paul Lutgen May 13, 2016 10:39 AM  

Understanding all the discomfort it brings is it too late for a revolt or a secession of states? Are we too far gone? If the U.S. Government damanded our guns would we quietly hand them over? Like everyone else I want a quiet place to eat and sleep. I can't be sure what actions I would take if there was a revolt; aggression or passivity.

Blogger John Wright May 13, 2016 10:39 AM  

"You can have long-term stability, under a much stricter religious regime, which doesn't let the reproduction cycle slide, and thus doesn't create/tolerate more gender variance, but we had that for a long time in Europe, and there was a reason we called it the dark ages. "

I beg to differ. It was called the Dark Ages, because the self-anointed apostles of the so-called Enlightenment needed a boogieman. Those were the years when gladiatorial games were abolished, the slave trade in Europe vanished, science trampled superstition, not to mention the Gothic arch, the Magna Charter, and the jib sail.

Here is a recent book on the topic: http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/4766/why_is_this_noncatholic_scholar_debunking_centuries_of_anticatholic_history.aspx

Blogger Martin May 13, 2016 10:41 AM  

I hate war. But I hate emasculation even more than I hate war. A society can recover from a devastating war. An emasculated society ceases to be a society in any sense of the word. It must inevitably result in the obliteration of one's culture, however bloodlessly.

In the various assemblies of ancient Greece, the men who voted to go to war were the same men who took up arms to fight in said war. Even the homosexuals among them still acquitted themselves like men. Not so here. The heterosexuals in our congress are not men.

The emasculation of the USA and the transformation of Congress into a professional kakistocracy insulated from personal risk and the consequences of their decisions is no coincidence.

Blogger tz May 13, 2016 10:45 AM  

@130 - much as you can't have liberty without strong internal morality, you can't have Christendom without Christ. Be it the NAP or "Western Civilization" even men with chests don't fight for abstract principles.

Others noted the Nietzscheian tone. Not a call to recreate the Knights Templar or a Christian military order (or militia). You do find the Christian soldier tone among preppers.

Also missed is Technology, which was specifically featured in Abolition of Man. Contraception severs the unitive and procreative, and allowed the hookup culture and the barrenness, and RooshV. Productivity that matters - farms and ranches, building, clothing, medicine has given us enough abundance to be an debauched idiocracy, at least for now.

And to return to the barren lands, a family with 5 children will have soldiers who fight for siblings and can die for victory. One or two, and the bloodline ends so there is no victory. Israeli elves vs Palestinian orcs won't end well.

Also from Abolition, Lewis notes the scientist and sorcerer want the same thing - to conform nature to the will of man. And apparently at the same cost: your soul. At least if we don't have the morality to constrain it much like government, for power over nature is power of some men over men. Airplanes, but the TSA. Cell phones, but the NSA.

Blogger Unknown May 13, 2016 10:47 AM  

Middle East is plagued since man first built cities and it is a den of sodomy and wickedness like no other.

We don't need war we need Jesus.

Blogger John Wright May 13, 2016 10:49 AM  

"Europe had a similar era of relative peace after Napoleon and they didn't see their culture collapse to the extent that ours have."

Well, actually, many a young man was sent overseas for wars with natives in the colonies in those years, and those were also the years where the "Decadents" in art and literature first grew up, and corrupt political theories like socialism. If their corruption did not reach as deep as ours, it is because they fell from a higher place and had farther to go. We fell from their place.

Anonymous kfg May 13, 2016 10:56 AM  

"We don't need war we need Jesus."

Jesus needed a Hammer.

Blogger Saber McScarthrust May 13, 2016 10:56 AM  

Most profound thing Vvox has ever writting. Bravo.

..."Let there be war."

I'd say the war is already here, we just aren't fighting back.

Anonymous Godfrey May 13, 2016 10:58 AM  

I'm only for war if it's a war against the global crony-wealth elites.

Anonymous Anonymous May 13, 2016 11:00 AM  

Russia seems to be doing alright spiritually and they were involved in WW1 and WW2.

Blogger Paul Lutgen May 13, 2016 11:00 AM  

One thing though is for all our sloth and softness we still build better weaponry from which the more totalitarian regimes, Russia, Iran, steal the technological info.

Blogger Tino May 13, 2016 11:03 AM  

For the better part of 5 generations there has always been a war. We have had war right now for 15 years straight. What is being ignored is that there is/are groups whose sole purpose is control of the populous so that the Elite can feed at the troughs. These groups have systematically promoted all the crap that Vox and y'all are talking about. There's nothing natural about the decline, and it isn't abandonment of the Lord and any other silly religious nostrum. This was done systematically and with intent by those who profited by it overtly and covertly. Keep up the good work people.

Blogger John Regan May 13, 2016 11:10 AM  

@144

Maybe I should have said more about the Nietzsche quote. Just seemed apropos.

I mean, let's face it, it's a good point. Everyone wants comfort, peace and stability, and while on one level there's nothing wrong with them in doses, they might also be among the most dangerous of goals, rendering men so fat, dumb and happy that in some ways they'd be better off engaging in battle and sacrificing themselves.

War involves the marshaling of manly virtues, but then manly virtues can be marshaled in contexts other than war, too. The point is to practice manly virtues, I guess, in war or otherwise.

I think the VD-Cernovich references to "cuckservatives" are pointing out how deficient they have been in the practice of manly virtues.

Even in pagan societies, when they achieved health, manly virtues were practiced. It's part of the natural order, it doesn't have to be religious, at least not in the sectarian sense. I mean, manly virtues might depend to some extent on theism, because theism is part of the natural order, too.

Blogger tz May 13, 2016 11:13 AM  

@139 - exactly. Griswold v. Connecticut. Before 1930, contraception was considered a grave sin. Murdering your own children, and there are hundreds of Protestant sermons saying that based on Onan. The pill was one thing, but in the 1960s from a few liberal condemned denominations it became endorsed as a positive good. That was when the encyclical Humanae Vitae was released that predicted women would become sluts, and men PUAs. The protestants had already changed.

What we merely think of culture wars is the partial murder of the souls of the man and woman, and the actual murder of the soul left unconceived.

It is not peace and prosperity that brought the evils, but the evil one. Having shifted from physical to spiritual, without visible targets, glory and honor, medals, we have surrendered.

VanCreveld notes immigration is invasion, and we let the demons into our sanctuaries thinking them something other. Not unlike the Muslim refugees, but they are only the invisible made visible.

Molyneux worries no one will drive out the Muslims. But as an atheist he can't conceive of the demons inviting their fellows in - as our Lord said happens.

Matt 12:43-45
 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.  Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.  Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”

Does this not describe the west?

Blogger Ahazuerus May 13, 2016 11:14 AM  

Just because it's increasingly rare for the BBC to be right about anything:

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20160509-the-truth-about-icelandic-happiness

"Several years back, I visited Iceland in the dead of winter. I was researching a book on global happiness, and the small Nordic nation intrigued me. What was this country, adrift in the freezing North Atlantic, doing perched atop the world’s happiness rankings?"

Blogger Atomic Agent 13 May 13, 2016 11:16 AM  

Were it not for the Left, peace would not be a temptation or a time of corruption.

There will be no real peace until the Prince of Peace returns.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker May 13, 2016 11:18 AM  

"Is it possible that too many generations of peace and pleasure have proven to be little more than an enervating cancer on our culture? Is it possible that peace is more terrible than war?"

Primates are best adapted to conditions of scarcity and competition. Times of peace and plenty, not so much . . .

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 13, 2016 11:18 AM  

It is the study of fighting that develops the martial virtues. Actually waging war is not required for their development. The dojo, fencing sale, and shooting range are as useful as the battlefield, and far cheaper.

Anonymous Uncle Maffoo May 13, 2016 11:20 AM  

I'm a reader of P. D. Mangan's blog, and he describes a nutrition principle, known as "hormesis", in which minute, controlled amounts of a toxic substance or stressful stimulus is necessary to maintain and improve one's health.

"...the placing of a stress on a biological system that results in that system becoming stronger, as it increases processes for coping with stress," he writes.

War is hormesis for civilization.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 13, 2016 11:21 AM  

John Regan

Many wiser men, over many generations before me, have noted that the reason the world looks like a war zone is because it is one.

But one of the problems with the premise of this article is that it's a little vague about war. The US has hardly had a year when it hasn't been at war, in it's entire short and bloody history.

The greater problem is that it has largely, in the last 70 years, been utterly immune to the direct experience and consequence of war. War has been waged offshore, out of reach, out of sight, and out of mind, of the general populace, and without any but a financial cost to most of them/us.

(I'm not an American but my native land has been their allies since the British Empire abandoned/liberated us, so it is as true of me and my generation as it is of Americans generally today.)

So war has been happening, but a long drawn out bloody and deceptive war, a war of our own elites against us and against anyone else who attempts to defy them. At home the mask has seldom slipped completely to reveal the beast beneath; abroad the iron fist has been utterly naked for the most part. But it is the same war, even though most of us have not yet realised it.

As someone above noted, to the degree we have been fighting for anything, it's been the wrong things, for the wrong reasons, with the wrong weapons.

Blogger tz May 13, 2016 11:23 AM  

Also, the wars have been trivial or futile.
Former: Grenada, Panama, Gulf1
Latter: Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Afghan, Gulf2.

The other place is the police, but we see more brutal bullies than good constables in most places.

But there is hope in that around here, we still have men who sing A Hero's Canticle
When the night comes rollin' down the sky
I see the questions in your eyes
We wonder what will come in times like these
But I don't believe the Crystal Ball
I'm listening for a different call
While all the world is clamoring for peace

(And) You can feel the weight the seasons bear
It's all around us everywhere
Tracing our movement through the years

For the Song we sang isn't heard anymore
We've forgotten it's name
But the melody still lingers in our hearts
So we're pushin' on and we're not looking back
And we don't mind the pain
'Cause a man can never lose what he can't attain

Can anyone remember when
The boys were boys and men were men
And everyone believed we'd all pull through
But the changes came and chilled the air
Our Heroes are no longer there
The ones who stand against the tide are few

(And) You can feel the weight the seasons bear
It's all around us everywhere
Tracing our movements through the years

For the Song we sang isn't heard anymore
We've forgotten it's name
But the melody still lingers in our hearts
So we're pushin' on and we're not looking back
And we don't mind the pain
'Cause a man can never lose what he can't attain

Now the years will steal our youth
A lie can change, but not the truth
It's slipping through our fingers even now
It's a sorrow we don't need to share
A burden we don't have to bear
The melody still lingers in my ears

'Cause the Song we sing, is alive again, And it's always the same
It's the melody that was living in our hearts
So we're pushin' on, and we're not looking back
And we don't mind the pain

Anonymous rubberducky May 13, 2016 11:24 AM  

Last year I thought the prospect of civil war in the United States to be remote. That it was a possibility, but avoidable.

Today I view it as virtually certain. This morning on the radio, a local DJ even called for all states to cease remittances to the federal government. I don't live in some hunter region, but in Washington, DC.

Civil war is coming, it will be very hard to avoid.

Thanks, SJWs. What have you wrought?

Blogger James Dixon May 13, 2016 11:26 AM  

> If the U.S. Government damanded our guns would we quietly hand them over?

No. The left keeps thinking we will. The recent results in New York alone should tell them otherwise.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 13, 2016 11:28 AM  

The left declared war on us decades ago. The alt-right is now the only force remaining that can attack the enemy. Conservatives had decades to do so but instead only played a sanctimonious defense, putting us in the existential crisis we're in today. Their cuckservative indignation is simply a realization that we are right, but they can never admit it. First GamerGate, then Rabid Puppies, now Trump! The enemy has seemed so invincible for so long, but in reality we can destroy them if we only ATTACK !!!

Blogger Ahazuerus May 13, 2016 11:32 AM  

@tz

Thanks for that song, and the link.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 13, 2016 11:38 AM  

"let there be war"

When do you plan on enlisting the Beale spawn in Zog's Glorious Legions?

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 13, 2016 11:38 AM  

What I find interesting - and more than a bit ironic in the discussion here - is all the commentary from Christians whose own church is entirely in the hands of the enemy. Would London really be worse off under the Musloids than under the SJWs and cucks in the pay of manufacturers of fake money wholly devoted to exterminating the people who built the place? How? As I asked on an earlier thread, what's to stop St. Peters in Vatican City from being converted to a mosque in the next few decades? It's not as if there is anyone in Italy or Catholicism standing in the way. I've yet to see a serious move to completely reject and repudiate Vatican II. The Catholics can't even rid themselves of an anti-pope who's quite obviously the spawn of Satan. Prots?? Even worse - if that's even possible - reduced to open SJWs or the minstrel-show mountebankery of the televangelists. Orthodoxy? Maybe alive in Russia but it has a long history of being in bed with the diabolical narcissists in government offices too. A non-player in the west. Never bothered to de-associate from the openly SJW World Council of Churches either. Proved to be useless as the bank-appointed government of the EUSSR's Greek okrug sent in the jackboots to arrest Golden Dawn. Most of the organizations listed on the Banana Empire's list of government-paid contractors to re-settle Musloids and other orcs into the hinterland are Christian. Someone fretted about Christians being sacrificed on the altars of Odin. Why the hell not? Most are already more than willing to sacrifice themselves and their own flesh and blood upon the altar of Golden Dindu now. If you cannot even take back your own church, how on earth can you expect to take back London?

Blogger Elder Son May 13, 2016 11:52 AM  

There will be no real peace until the Prince of Peace returns.

Christ brings the sword, before He brings peace.

Anonymous mature-Craig May 13, 2016 11:56 AM  

very thought provoking

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2016 11:58 AM  

how many decades of peace has Switzerland had?

The same number as the rest of Europe. They've been surrounded by war - and thus threatened by it - for centuries. It's not the actual fighting that matters as much as the need to face the danger. A man who has a rifle in the closet in case he has to defend his nation from invasion is less likely to become a lotus-eater.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 13, 2016 11:58 AM  

RE: WW1

The USA entering WW1 fkd up everything. All sides of the war of cousins were weary and ready for some kind of peace settlement, then we gave one side an edge, leading to Versailles, likely contributing to or enable the major part of the Bolshevik revolution, Stalin, Hitler, the Nazis, and the massacre of Czar's family.

The good ole', exceptional USA screwed many generations to come by doing this. That's one of many reasons why I will proudly raise the Texas Lone Star, but never again the stars and stripes.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab May 13, 2016 11:59 AM  

I made the same point on Wright's site a week or so ago. We have become so emasculated in the west our nation would be better off if you could slug a guy in the jaw for grabbing your wife's ass. A timid man kept saying, 'That scares me' over and over.

Some would rather be sheep than wolves.

Anonymous JP May 13, 2016 12:03 PM  

"The greater problem is that it has largely, in the last 70 years, been utterly immune to the direct experience and consequence of war. War has been waged offshore, out of reach, out of sight, and out of mind, of the general populace, and without any but a financial cost to most of them/us."

Good point. A small cross section has seen war, and some come back with the horrors of it. The rest of the population watches movies about it (just like they did after Vietnam).

Even most in the military don't see it close and personal. I was a military officer for 8 years, but was hundreds of miles from violence during my brief deployment.

This perpetual war (for politicians and a select few soliders) makes things worse. It would be better if all of society felt it or we had true peace.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata May 13, 2016 12:06 PM  

Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 13, 2016 12:09 PM  

The absence of danger, or at least the sense of it, is what's at the heart of our decline. Whether you blame it on peace or prosperity, the fact that most westerners feel no real fear in the pit of their stomachs is the problem. Danger means you have to make hard decisions and have to relegate triviality to the background.

A people who thought they actually had something to fear would never elect a Barack Obama or a Barney Frank. A people who thought they had something to fear would never tolerate the overlawyering of society we have.

Could you imagine Zoe Quinn making headlines in 1942? Or 1933?

I'm not a fan of war, but we really do need to become far more serious as a people.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 13, 2016 12:15 PM  

#166 Gen.Kong...

To tell the truth, I'm getting sick of Christianity. Until and unless the Holy Spirit decides to make a miraculous personal appearance in my life, a gnawing intuition is telling me that Christianity is not going to save the day this time.

I'm certainly not saying that Satan is the answer... give him half a chance and he'll devour you in an instant.

It's all really too bad... a different and vital Christianity helped Western Civilization achieve the heights, but now a cancerous cult of Christianity is most assuredly destroying it. Thus look to yet other resources for succor and ultimate victory.

Blogger Elder Son May 13, 2016 12:16 PM  

See what tolerance has begot?

Take a hint from Patrick Henry, there comes a time when the yapping has to stop. You CAN NOT appeal to tyrants, nor the wicked. If they had continued in their yappings and pleadings, it would have been a sure sign of tolerance. And that is exactly what our continued yappings and pleadings are today. Tolerance.

Keep yapping and keep pleading. Remember where we were? Here we are. Imagine where we will be as long as we keep yapping and pleading as we were, as we are, and as it appears we will be.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner May 13, 2016 12:18 PM  

We have not had peace for 70 years but a war by way of deception.

Now they're not willing to risk arrest and a slap on the risk in order to preserve London or America

In Europe child rapists have gotten away with a slap on the wrist while the woman on the Tram saying the 3rd world shouldn't be leeching off the UK went to jail for months.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2016/04/05/sweden-muslim-child-rapist-punished-with-community-service-continues-to-stalk-13-year-old-victim-authorities-do-nothing/

If I lived there and killed a black home invader, to avoid jail I would have to claim I raped him to death but he never said the safeword "moohamadblowspigs"

gender variance, queer people do science/engineering when they can't have sex

The average gay is not as smart as seen on TV, but at least its nowhere near as disparate as with Non Asian minorities.

And yet, war never led men to cut off their penises

If a bullet took it off men would get 10% service connected disability, while a woman that gets a hysterectomy as many post menopausal women do get 50% service connected disability.

Anonymous BGKB May 13, 2016 12:40 PM  

If you dropped bad people out of helicopters over main street from a staggering height people would behave.

" They've stolen Nate's meme!"Curses and Damnation! You should have said we don't care.

If the U.S. Government damanded our guns would we quietly hand them over?

Nope if there was just 3 people in each state willing to follow this link, the US govt would be brought to its knees. Seriously people a faggot has to tell you this?
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/10/mathematics-of-liberty-one-hundred.html

Blogger Shell May 13, 2016 12:44 PM  

War is coming, but I'm not sure continuing to go to war is the only way to prevent new generations from declining to our current condition. As for my response to our current condition, I'll go down swinging.

Blogger tz May 13, 2016 12:48 PM  

Bidding the geldings be fruitful and multiply.

I cannot think of a single instance outside of the deeply Christian manosphere (and even within it is more implicit) where a man who preserves HIS virginity until marriage is lauded, but it does require all the manly virtues to accomplish, especially today. More likely he will be called an "incel", "gamma", or other term of derision. We laugh at honor and are then surprised to find traitors in our midst? A good wife and mother for your children is no longer the reward of battle. VA benefits are, which includes retirement and apparently gender reassignment surgery.

Another example was to be found in Burns Oregon. That is what happens if you try to do anything, you have people telling you that you are doing it wrong and tacitly siding with the evil system. When you defend your wife from someone grabbing her rear, you will go to jail and no one will come to your defense. They asked "where were the Good Germans"? Hiding because they would not defend each other when attacked and felt it was better to criticize or attack anyone who disturbed the peace.

But the gaming convention is more interesting than the theology conference. The dojo more fun than the bible study. The talking heads and the sports are more important than church.

You recognize the cultural side, but can the spiritually stunted, emaciated, and gelded fight the enemy that is behind the culture war? One can shoot a roaring mountain lion, but have you any weapon or defense against the Roaring Lion Paul says is seeking whom they may devour? The Lion that kills the sheep dogs can have all the sheep he wants.

By all means, have your nice little war, get captured or killed, as we all watch the futility of being the few who rise up with manly virtue only to be cut down by a heard of gammas. The lone wolf bitten to death in a sea of 1000 rabbits.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 May 13, 2016 1:01 PM  

War can produce an element of strengthening for individuals and societies but it is still a counterfeit of the spiritual warfare we are actually called for. Yes there will be war as that is the current state of humanity. And yes there is a need to retain a sword rather than beat it into a plowshare for now, but let's not mistake war as the best tool for building up man and his societies.

Blogger Tom K. May 13, 2016 1:02 PM  

Peace is fragile.

Not that peace itself is fragile, but that peace BREEDS fragility. As opposed to Anti-fragility where one grows stronger with conflict, chaos, and stress.

Blogger Tom K. May 13, 2016 1:02 PM  

Peace is fragile.

Not that peace itself is fragile, but that peace BREEDS fragility. As opposed to Anti-fragility where one grows stronger with conflict, chaos, and stress.

Anonymous BGKB May 13, 2016 1:03 PM  

Another example was to be found in Burns Oregon.

Burns Oregon was 1/2 agent provacators 1/2 idiots, they put out a request for people to mail them French vanilla creamer a few days in. They are less survivalist than the black LAPD guy fired that went on a shooting rampage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu1MN34-PB8

Blogger Elder Son May 13, 2016 1:06 PM  

...the US govt would be brought to its knees.

It always boils down to the gun, doesn't it? What good is that gun if you are not willing to use it, unless they come fer yer guns? Remember where we were, with our guns? Here we are, with our guns. Imagine where we will be, with our, guns? But, but, but, if they come fer me guns, all bets are off!

Yet, here e are. Despite our, guns.

Ya know what is behind that sniper? A squad, a platoon, a company, a battalion, etc.

As fer yer guns, I am reminded of, "The problem with Scotland, is it is full of Scots. If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out."

Which reminds me of, "When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side.' I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already… What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.'" - Adolf Hitler

But, but, we have, guns. Just don't come fer are guns, and we a cool!

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2016 1:07 PM  

@BGKB Yes, I'm familiar with that philosophy, MVB will be missed, and I hope he finds some peace before the end, he still does too much.

I'm waiting to see the voices that arise to take his place with his passing.

Blogger James Dixon May 13, 2016 1:07 PM  

> You recognize the cultural side, but can the spiritually stunted, emaciated, and gelded fight the enemy that is behind the culture war?

We've never been able to fight the one behind the culture war, and we never will be able to. But we don't need to. Someone else fought him for us. We only need to defeat his agents.

Blogger Elder Son May 13, 2016 1:12 PM  

His agents have agents and will need to be defeated also.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 13, 2016 1:14 PM  

@184 Elder Son:

Don't assume because no one is shooting yet that they are doing nothing. If you really care and aren't just here to point and criticize, then read up on a few months backlog of posts and comment here, or just pay attention for a few days.

Resistance is not dependent upon our guns. A good resistance without guns can acquire them and other means to defeat a well armed legion of the mercenaries and agents of tyrants.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2016 1:17 PM  

@184 Elder Son

The timing still isn't right, but who knows what will see to the start. Hundreds of thousands have already defied the gov of NY and CT with the "assault" rifle legislation. History rhymes,remember?

Blogger Nate May 13, 2016 1:24 PM  

"But, but, we have, guns. Just don't come fer are guns, and we a cool!"

Silence defeatist whore.

Anonymous Ain May 13, 2016 1:24 PM  

"Ain
That was weak, man."


Pot, meet kettle.

Blogger Elder Son May 13, 2016 1:26 PM  

@188

Did I lie somewhere? I haven't criticized anything, all I did was tell the truth.

What resistance? You mean the continued yapping and appeals that continues to tolerate the very people who can not be bought with continued yapping and appeals?

As for you last paragraph, you are dreaming. Fantasy-land. Not reality. Not in the United States. Maybe Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. But not in the United States. Keep wagging your unrealistic tongue into defeatism.

Blogger Desiderius May 13, 2016 1:29 PM  

Peace?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK0_Ob9qCI0

Prosperity?

Our children have already been sold into bondage to enrich our enemies and swell the numbers and indolence of their minions.



Blogger Desiderius May 13, 2016 1:32 PM  

"Its sloth and cowardice... and those were caused not by peace... but by Wealth."

(1) What wealth? Wealth is measured on the balance sheet, not the income statement.

(2) Which is beside the point since decay, death, disorder need no cause, they are the inherent nature of this world. It is their opposites which require explanation and point the good and true toward faith in the Almighty.

Blogger Elder Son May 13, 2016 1:38 PM  

The continued yapping and appeals. Meanwhile, if we just yap enough and appeal enough, it will al go away: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/politics/obama-administration-to-issue-decree-on-transgender-access-to-school-restrooms.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=63413396&pgtype=Homepage&referer=http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/728608/75

Just keep yapping. They hear you. And they don't care.

Blogger skiballa May 13, 2016 1:39 PM  

@192 Elder Son

Obviously, it hasn't happened yet, so it won't happen, right?

Like Nate said, defeatist.

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