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Monday, May 16, 2016

Business for #Brexit

320 business leaders sign a letter to the Telegraph:
Britain is the fifth biggest economy in the world and, on current projections, will overtake Germany to become Europe’s powerhouse. Britain is America’s largest inward investor, and our openness and dynamism mean we attract more inward investment than any other European country.

Three of the world’s top 10 universities are British, we speak the international language of business, our legal system is trusted round the world and we have an unrivalled reputation for innovation and creativity.

These are just some of the reasons we believe that Britain is world-class. However, we also believe that Britain’s competitiveness is being undermined by our membership of a failing EU.

Year-on-year the EU buys less from Britain because its economies are stagnant and millions of people are unemployed. According to Mervyn King, the former governor of the Bank of England, the euro “might explode”. Brussels’ red tape stifles every one of Britain’s 5.4 million businesses, even though only a small minority actually trade with the EU.

It is business – not government – which generates wealth for the Treasury and jobs for our communities. Outside the EU, British business will be free to grow faster, expand into new markets and create more jobs. It’s time to vote leave and take back control.
If you're British, you must seize the opportunity to free yourselves from Eurofascist rule. Seize your national sovereignty and retake control of your own laws. Britain stood alone against a continent occupied by Berlin, and it can stand alone against a continent occupied by Brussels.

Vote Leave.

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41 Comments:

Blogger Phillip George May 16, 2016 7:10 AM  

Vox, one of the biggest face palms in recent history was the flooding caused by Brussels telling Britain they couldn't dredge their canals anymore.

Peak Stupid? No, they'll think of insanities grander than these.

The world just went through the 400 parts per million carbon dioxide measurement. That is one of the very few good news stories. The re-vegetating of the earth.

But I guarantee even as we speak CNN and some Brussels peak body is turning accelerated plant growth into a children's horror story. Child abuse per Brussels.

Blogger synp May 16, 2016 7:20 AM  

I'm not saying these business leaders are wrong. But nearly 50% of British exports and over 50% of British imports are with EU partners. Exiting the EU makes that (especially the export) harder. They don't seem to address this in this opinion piece. Nor do they specify what are those "new markets" they plan on expanding into considering that no part of the world is anywhere near as close to Britain as EU countries are.

Blogger VD May 16, 2016 7:31 AM  

Exiting the EU makes that (especially the export) harder.

No, it doesn't. Norway and Switzerland have no problems trading with the EU and they don't belong to it. Nor, for that matter, does the USA.

Blogger synp May 16, 2016 7:41 AM  

VD wrote:Exiting the EU makes that (especially the export) harder.

No, it doesn't. Norway and Switzerland have no problems trading with the EU and they don't belong to it. Nor, for that matter, does the USA.


They have tariffs and quotas and fact the European protectionism especially in agriculture, where every US product is suspected of being evil GMO. Of course it's possible to trade anyway, but British products in Germany are likely to become more expensive if the UK pulls out of what used to be called the European Common Market.

Blogger Shimshon May 16, 2016 7:45 AM  

@3 Israel also exports a lot to Europe.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 16, 2016 7:50 AM  

Russia has no trouble selling gas to the EU, even tho it's not a member and has recently been sanctioned by the Brussels mafiosi.

Blogger James Dixon May 16, 2016 7:54 AM  

> But nearly 50% of British exports and over 50% of British imports are with EU partners.

And they still will be, exit or not.

Blogger James Dixon May 16, 2016 7:55 AM  

That's an impressive list, BTw. I would have thought most of the businesses in Britain would have been thoroughly co-opted by now.

Blogger VD May 16, 2016 7:59 AM  

I would have thought most of the businesses in Britain would have been thoroughly co-opted by now.

They're being strangled by EU regulations.

Blogger Sterling May 16, 2016 8:03 AM  

synp, you're adopting the Remain tactic of conflating the European Union with the Single Market. Britain can leave the EU and remain part of the Single Market: through the European Economic Area like Norway, or through bilateral arrangements like Switzerland. So the statement "Exiting the EU makes that (especially the export) harder" is demonstrably false.

Blogger David Power May 16, 2016 8:27 AM  

Vox is spot on. I am British and will be voting to leave the EU.

Britain and Germany are the two main financial contributors to the EU but the difference is, Germany generates a trade surplus of roughly £67billion each year while Britan suffers an annual trade deficit of roughly the same amount.

But that's not my main reason for voting out. My main reason is that the EU is moving ever closer towards a United States of Europe and this can only be achieved by deminishing the member state's individual national identities. While that may be no big deal for countries like Belgium and Holland, it is one hell of a big deal for a country which has done more to shape the modern world than probably any other.

As has been said here before:

A nation is not a nation, if it doesn't control its own borders.

A nation isn't a nation if it doesn't make its own Laws.

A nation isn't a nation if it doesn't place the interests of its own people ahead of people from other nations.


None of these three pillars of sovereignty will be allowed within the EU superstate.

BTW. For the first time during this referendum process, I am really getting the feeling that the British people have finally woken up to the real dangers of remaining in the EU and are going to vote to leave in huge numbers.

I already have £2k on Trump at 10/1 placed way back in Jan and IMO 3/1 as some betting sites are offering, is great value for a leave vote wager.


Anonymous kfg May 16, 2016 8:32 AM  

" . . . no part of the world is anywhere near as close to Britain as EU countries are."

In terms of shipping, NYC is closer to Britain than Venice. Distance is not the correct metric, cost is, and shipping by sea is considerably less costly than shipping overland.

Note that products of American origin intended for the American market are shipped round trip to China for processing.

Blogger synp May 16, 2016 8:38 AM  

Sterling: Sure. It's possible through bilateral agreements, but it gets harder. Russia is facing sanctions over Ukraine. Israel is constantly threatened with boycotts over the so-called Palestinian territories. The US is restricted from exporting agricultural products. The UK might face similar issues over mad cow disease or simply out of spite.

These issues are over-hyped by Remain advocates, much like how the BREXIT would lead to war in Europe. That is, of course, total BS. Peace has allowed for the EU - the EU is not the cause of peace.

Still, the ability to form bilateral agreements with India, China and the US should be weighed against losses in Europe.

Blogger Phillip George May 16, 2016 8:41 AM  

Meme,

the United Exiters of Europe.
The non Euro Euro block/

or
FealtytoJesus

or
1. Womens Rights
2. Muslim Rights
3. Transgender Rights
4. Safe Space Rights
5. Gaia Rights, don't touch anything non human.

Just "excluded" you comprehensively. "We the people" just got shafted when normality tried to be statistically impossible. Normal is maths. Mess with that, and Libya.

Blogger Sterling May 16, 2016 8:59 AM  

synp: I can't help but think you're either reaching or misinformed, not least because BSE hasn't been a problem in the UK since Alan Shearer was wearing an England shirt. The idea of a trade war is scarcely credible: the EU's attempt to ban US beef resulted in a $120m fine handed down by the WTO, after all. When you say "it's possible through bilateral agreements", you fail to understand that, as I implied earlier, the EEA is not a 'bilateral agreement'.

EEA membership also fits most of Britain's needs. As a member of the EEA, Britain would have access to the Single Market but would not be subject to the majority of EU law. It would repatriate agricultural and fisheries policy. It would give us back an independent negotiating seat on global regulatory bodies. We would have both the ability to sign bilateral trade agreements independently from those negotiated by the EU, and an 'emergency brake' on the free movement of people. No meaningful losses involved- which is precisely why the Remain campaign have been so busy lying about what the EEA deal involves.

Blogger ZhukovG May 16, 2016 9:04 AM  

I have wondered why a nation that did so much to defeat the 3rd Reich, would so willingly submit to the 4th.

Make Britain Great Again! Brexit!

Blogger Phat Repat May 16, 2016 9:16 AM  

Wait, London has a Muslim mayor and you think Brits are going to vote in their own best interests? Rrrriiigghhhttt...

Anonymous Joe Blowe May 16, 2016 9:19 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:I have wondered why a nation that did so much to defeat the 3rd Reich, would so willingly submit to the 4th.

The men (and their progeny) that destroyed National Socialist Germany created the EU.

Anonymous Clay May 16, 2016 9:28 AM  

OK. Here's another of "Clay's Stoopid Stories":

Before I retired, I was a chartere and manager for our petroleum products. We typically wouldn't build a facility to store our products, simply lease some tankage from an existing one.

I recall, we leased a few tanks from the old-time Exxon facility in Bayonne, New Jersey.

We traveled up there, to do our due diligence.

It was an ecological horror. As a basic operations Guy, the Plant Engineer and myself sort of "wandered-off" from the Marketing dudes.

I noticed he was carrying some type of tool, looked like the type you'd use to change the hole on a putting green. Sooner or later, we stopped to smoke a cigarette on the perimiter of the refinery grounds, and he just non-chalantly used his tool.


We kept walking, doing our little survey, and back-tracked to where we could smoke one agin, where he had drilled his little hole.

It had filled with SOMETHING. God only knows what. No words were spoken. He obviously wanted me to see.

Then, since I also Chartered the ships to export our Petroleum Products, I discovered that their dock was limited to only accept vessels with a minimum draft, (that's ANOTHER story), thereby limiting the vessels you could charter.

Reason being? The sludge and mud below their docks was so toxic, they couldn't get a permit to dredge it out, to allow vessels with a decent draft to call upon them. I actually heard a Captain tell me one time,"yeah, but it cleans the bottom off her".

Blogger David Power May 16, 2016 9:38 AM  

Today, it is very rare to find a British Member of Parliament with the personal integrity and wit to structure an entertaining, well thought out and compelling argument on anything. Jacob Rees-Mogg, however, is one such MP and what's more he is a passionate patriot and britexer.

Here he is getting to the heart of the matter at "The EU is a Threat to Democracy" debate at the Oxford Union last year:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKjTPPcOdQ

Anonymous Clay May 16, 2016 9:38 AM  

Sorry for all the typos.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P May 16, 2016 9:48 AM  

@17 the only "real brits" youll find in London these days are those that commute in, and the stubborn buggers in "Sarf Lahdahn" who refuse to be moved but are massively outnumbered - everyone else got out in the 80's and early 90's. Its known as Londonistan outside of the M25 for a reason.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster May 16, 2016 9:52 AM  

"I have wondered why a nation that did so much to defeat the 3rd Reich, would so willingly submit to the 4th."

They were sold out by Cucks. 'No, no, this is just a trade agreement, it will never become a superstate that threatens British sovereignty,' said the 'conservatives' as they knowingly handed the country to Brussels.

It's worth remembering that one of the earliest supporters of a 'United States of Europe' was... Churchill. Who we're supposed to idolize for giving half of Europe to Stalin.

Anonymous Steve May 16, 2016 10:25 AM  

It's worth remembering that one of the earliest supporters of a 'United States of Europe' was... Churchill.

Churchill supported a United States of Europe for the Europeans.

Not for us.

Blogger Jourdan May 16, 2016 11:07 AM  

There is no chance at all of Britain voting to leave the European Union. Zero. I wish it were otherwise, but there you have it.

Blogger pdwalker May 16, 2016 11:39 AM  

Brexit, the movie

It's over an hour long and definitely worth watching.

Blogger SciVo May 16, 2016 12:17 PM  

Jourdan wrote:There is no chance at all of Britain voting to leave the European Union. Zero. I wish it were otherwise, but there you have it.

You consistently neglect to anticipate how demographic changes will shift attitudes within the various demos. You are making the exact same mistake with your Brexit prediction as with your POTUS prediction. Politics is not some linear system where you can assume "all else being equal," and I will remind you of that on June 24th.

Anonymous Philipp May 16, 2016 1:09 PM  

Sterling you are absolutely right regarding the advantages of the EEA. It seems like you have read Richard North's Flexcit plan.

For those of you don't know the plan, Dr North outlines it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HrIdJfMUcM

This video (and parts 2 and 3) are definitively worth watching.

Blogger Shilo Leonard May 16, 2016 1:26 PM  

One of the very best things about reading the comments here is that folks seem to spend more time crafting arguments and supporting premises than they do crafting insults. And the insults they do craft are of such fine quality! It is almost enough to restore my faith in humanity. Almost. Well...in a very small fraction of it, anyway.

Blogger Jourdan May 16, 2016 2:57 PM  

@27 - Sure thing, SciVo. I never made the argument you posit as mine, but in any case, you'r wrong. No point arguing about it, I suppose. We'll see. If you're right, I'll apologize and ask you what I missed and you can explain it to me. If I'm right, I expect you will drop the subject.

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Anonymous BGKB May 16, 2016 4:21 PM  

Norway and Switzerland have no problems trading with the EU and they don't belong to it. Nor, for that matter, does the USA

I talked to a Swiss couple this weekend in the US to hike the Appalachian trail, they said they were glad not to be a part of it. Cucks in Brussels would rather have people in jail for quoting Churchill about moslems than for gang raping little white girls.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 16, 2016 4:33 PM  

I wish we could have a brexit solution here in the US to escape the beaurocrats

Blogger Kona Commuter May 16, 2016 5:49 PM  

@ #29 -> Please don't tell anyone. Numerous times in the past I've found intelligent discussions on forums & blogs where I learned a great deal. More and more people find them as well and before you know it trolls get their claws in and ruin them.

Blogger Shilo Leonard May 16, 2016 8:33 PM  

@#34 -> My lips are sealed.

Blogger Tom Kratman May 16, 2016 8:37 PM  

Fuck the European Union!
Fuck the Hague and ICC!
Fuck their rules and regulations;
Fuck the whole bureaucracy!

Asshats, Bastards, Cowards, Dimwits,
Excrement-Feeding, Gallows-bait.
Hang the swine Higher than Haman,
Ignorant Jackasses, Knaves.

Watch them purge the bent banana.
See your taxes rise and rise.
See your nations fall to ruin.
Watch as every freedom dies.

Lick-ass Morons, Nincompoops, Oh,
Pity the Quagmire these Reds made.
Sycophants and Thieves, the whole crew,
Underworked and oVerpaid.

Friday Mornings EUnuchs sign in
To ensure their holidays
Are paid for by lesser beings.
Others call those people, "slaves."

To the lampposts, Europeans.
Tie the knots and toss the ropes.
Fit the nooses, haul the free ends
Stand back; let the bastards choke.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 16, 2016 8:47 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:I have wondered why a nation that did so much to defeat the 3rd Reich, would so willingly submit to the 4th.

Make Britain Great Again! Brexit!



EU macht frei!

Anonymous Clay May 16, 2016 9:25 PM  

I've been posting, (on or/off), for mebbe 12 years.

I have seldom had a reason to "attack" any other poster...except, for some hippie chick, (what was her name?), who laid down some derogatory comments about my daughter.

You lay your hand, and take away what you get.

Blogger SciVo May 17, 2016 2:38 AM  

Jourdan wrote:@27 - Sure thing, SciVo. I never made the argument you posit as mine, but in any case, you'r wrong. No point arguing about it, I suppose. We'll see. If you're right, I'll apologize and ask you what I missed and you can explain it to me. If I'm right, I expect you will drop the subject.

We've known each other here for awhile now, and you didn't state your argument, so I made an inference. If there's more to your reasoning than that X% of Y demo used to support Brexit and Y is now only Z% of the voters, then I'd love to hear it.

And if your prediction is right, I will absolutely ask for you to explain to me what I missed. This is a fantastic opportunity for us to test our approaches against each other, just a month and a week away.

I firmly believe in the importance of knowing the limitations of the predictive ability of your mental models. (I mean that precisely, since my mental models for politics include situations where predictions are folly and being right is only by accident.)

Blogger SciVo May 17, 2016 3:01 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:I wish we could have a brexit solution here in the US to escape the beaurocrats

Given that FedGov has lost its moral authority, and is doomed to fall eventually -- since anything that can't go on forever, won't -- the only questions are how it will fall, and when.

I believe that both of those questions are unanswerable. The system is too dynamically complex. However, we can enumerate kinds of failure.

One is if the American Empire breaks up by states, while they are still functional. That is ideal from a standpoint of peace, since our states have their own laws and constitutions and don't need D.C. to tell them what to do. Indeed, that is part of the problem with having six dictators, five in black robes and one with a phone and a pen.

The next if counties are sufficiently inflamed to demand exit and entry into a neighboring state. That will happen if the state governments follow the federal model and attempt to impose wussy urbanite values on the country.

I'm not sure under what scenario civilization would collapse to the county level, but at least there would still be sheriffs and courts. Maybe if the currency collapsed, but whites decided to still be civilized? So there could be counties where civilization would fall.

The worst by far would be total collapse, which I think is highly far-fetched. Just think about what it would take for even the county-level government to stop doing its duty, even after the state collapsed. It would have to have devolved into an anarchic war of all against all.

Blogger rumpole5 May 17, 2016 5:58 PM  

@ SciVo. You make excellent points. We still have a population containing a large segment of well armed self sufficient people. I recall that after the '04 hurricanes (4 in a row!) here in Florida. I and mine lived rather well without any electricity at all for at least two weeks, and then another week or so. We just cooked and heated water for bathing over a one burner propane stove. Of course, I have an assortment of camping gear, ( Amish hand washer, drying lines and racks, wind up radio, etc.) and a collection of kerosene lamps. I have been meaning to put a hand pump on my well. I think that unless we are invaded, there is a possibility that life would go on in most parts of the USA without a huge amount of disruption.

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