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Tuesday, May 10, 2016

Cathy Young is an America-hater

It's downright remarkable that Cathy Young appears to think her defense of a double-standard in her attack on Ann Coulter will convince anyone of anything but her being a dishonest and perfidious anti-American propagandist.
Those familiar with the alt-right will recognize one of its favorite talking points: Israel supporters—particularly Jews—are hypocritical if they support immigration into the U.S., since they don’t advocate large-scale non-Jewish immigration into Israel or the Palestinian right of return. (It is invoked, for example, in an unabashedly anti-Semitic primer on “How to Argue with Neocons” on an alt-right blog.) Regardless of what one thinks of immigration to the United States, or of Israeli policies, this is a remarkably bad analogy.

Israel was founded as an ethno-state (though it is worth noting that a quarter of its citizens are not Jewish); the United States of America was not. Israel is surrounded by hostile neighbors; the United States is not. A Palestinian right of return would mean forcing a nation of eight million to accept as many as four to five million immigrants many of whom are hostile to its statehood; proportionately, that would be analogous to an influx of 150 million into the U.S. If such a proposal were on the table, Coulter and Trump certainly wouldn’t be the only ones to oppose it.

The “double standards” argument has blatantly anti-Semitic overtones, since it invariably invokes Israel and never other small nations, like Finland, that limit immigration and grant automatic citizenship on the basis of ethnic background.
A few relevant points:
  • American Jews are absolutely hypocritical if they support large-scale immigration into the USA while opposing it for Israel. They are also observably anti-American.
  • It is not a "a remarkably bad analogy". It is a very fair and pertinent comparison.
  • Israel was not founded as an ethno-state. It is an ethno-religious state. An ethnic Jew who is a Christian is not permitted the right of return. Moreover, since Israel already grants citizenship to Palestinians, the nature of its founding in this regard is not relevant.
  • The USA absolutely was founded as an ethno-state. "The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character. It thus excluded American Indians, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks, and Asians."
  • The state of relations with Israel's neighbors are irrelevant. China is not at war with Israel and Israel does not permit unlimited immigration from China, or from the United States, for that matter.
  • Since Jews like Cathy Young believe that large-scale immigration is a beneficial thing, why wouldn't four million immigrants benefit Israel?
  • The US population was 194 million in 1965. The 61 million immigrants who have entered the country since would be identical to permitting 2.5 million Palestinians to return to Israel. Is Cathy Young willing to permit just 2.5 million Palestinians to return? If that many, proportionately, would be bad for Israel, how can she argue the same percentage is good for the USA?
  • The reason the double-standards argument invariably invokes Israel and never small nations like Finland is because no Finns are publicly arguing for large-scale immigration to the United States or calling everyone who disagrees with them anti-Finnites.
Cathy Young's argument fails historically, mathematically, and logically. Ann Coulter is right. Israel has the right to exist and defend its borders. So does the United States of America. Cathy Young, being an openly anti-American extremist opposed to the American national interest, should be rejected by every American, and especially by every conservative.

As for the Alt Right, well, we already knew she was dreadful.

168 Comments:

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 10, 2016 1:04 PM  

When we were Young we were in bondage under the elements of the world...

OpenID aew51183 May 10, 2016 1:18 PM  

My exchanges with Cathy Young on twitter have been a damning confirmation of Janet, JudgyBitch, Bloomfield's assertion that women make their decisions emotionally, hypocritically, and tribalistically, and should not be allowed any say in governance or public policy.

Blogger The Z Blog May 10, 2016 1:20 PM  

This is one of my posts on Mx Jung: http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=7158

OpenID aew51183 May 10, 2016 1:21 PM  

Another amusing note: It seems DailyBeast has dropped comment sections since I last saw them a year ago? It appears even a large contingent of lefties are calling them out on their BS, and it makes sense given the outrageous intellectual dishonesty Ms. Young presents in her piece.

Blogger synp May 10, 2016 1:37 PM  

Small correction: Ethnic Jews are allowed the right of return. All you need is a single Jewish grandparent.

As for Cathy Young, what she thinks of Israeli immigration policy doesn't matter unless she wants to immigrate first.

A valid analogy is comparing migrant workers from Latin America in the US to migrant workers from the Philippines or Eritrea in Israel.

Palestinian "return" would be explicitly and openly designed to fundamentally change or destroy Israel. That is not the case with immigration to the US which is all about getting a share of the prosperity of the US.

Blogger Rabbi B May 10, 2016 1:43 PM  

@5 synp

"Ethnic Jews are allowed the right of return. All you need is a single Jewish grandparent."

That's not the reality on the ground. Jews who embrace Y'shua as the Messiah and who are ethnic Jews (like myself, Jewish mother) are generally denied aliyah. The oleh can always hire an attorney and fight the denial, but that is cost prohibitive for most olim, such as myself, seeking aliyah.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 1:46 PM  

" . . . no Finns are publicly arguing for large-scale immigration to the United States . . ."

I had a psychology professor who one day started telling us about his youth in class (I forget why, but it was actually relevant to the material being discussed). He was Anglo, living in a Finnish neighborhood. He had a hard time of it because the Finns hated Anglo-Americans.

Somebody asked why, if they hated Americans so much, they came here in the first place.

He answered, "Because there is one thing that Finns hate even more than Americans - Russians."

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 May 10, 2016 1:48 PM  

I am starting to wish the Jews would find an internally Jewish problem to wrestle with and leave the rest of us alone for a while. Maybe another profit to persecute or something.

The problem we are facing is the same problem with the bathrooms. They don't like what being an American would require of them, so the twist being an American to coincide with what they are, and if you call them out on it they react at an emotional level because you are now attacking their identity.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 1:49 PM  

"That is not the case with immigration to the US which is all about getting a share of the prosperity of the US."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_%28Mexico%29

Blogger SouthRon May 10, 2016 1:50 PM  

It's like "The Boy who Cried 'Wolf'". When you yell antisemite all the time it dilutes those rare occasions when it's the real thing.

Blogger Salt May 10, 2016 1:51 PM  

The white nationalists of the so-called alternative right, an extremist movement that rejects mainstream conservatism as too gutless and too infected with liberal thinking,

Yeah! And?

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 May 10, 2016 1:53 PM  

Palestinian "return" would be explicitly and openly designed to fundamentally change or destroy Israel. That is not the case with immigration to the US which is all about getting a share of the prosperity of the US.

That is the claimed purpose, but you do not get to have upwards of 30% immigrant and 1st generation people in a country without destroying it. Its just not possible.

OpenID aew51183 May 10, 2016 1:55 PM  

"Palestinian "return" would be explicitly and openly designed to fundamentally change or destroy Israel. That is not the case with immigration to the US which is all about getting a share of the prosperity of the US."

Except that's precisely what it's meant to do. The left lost the public debate spectacularly in the early 70's when their policies came home to roost. When Reagan's election made it clear America would not be following Democrats into communism, they resolved to "import" a new voterbase. Since then, the banana republic citizens they've trucked in en-masse have turned the USA into a banana republic.

This is reflected in the polls, where upwards of 70% of Americans say this is not a country they recognize.

Demographics is destiny, and the last part of this "fundamental transformation" has been Obama telling the world he won't turn away latin americans, then ordering his border patrol to stand down, for 8 years.

Blogger Jeff the Baptist May 10, 2016 1:59 PM  

"An ethnic Jew who is a Christian is not permitted the right of return."

If fairly sure that this isn't the case. Messianic Jews cannot exercise the right of return as converts to Judaism because the Israeli state does not consider them to be practicing Judaism. However they can still exercise it if they have Jewish ethnic ancestry.

Anonymous Philalethes May 10, 2016 2:03 PM  

Another Jew with a Christian name (including the Russian original). Great camouflage, until she starts writing stuff like this (I'd never read her, wouldn't have known she isn't Anglo-American before I read this). Typical arrogance, to think readers won't realize she herself is a perfect example of the "conspiracy theories" she mocks.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 10, 2016 2:05 PM  

@5 Every wave of immigration to the US, starting with the hordes of Irish and Germans in the 1840's, has worked to "fundamentally change or destroy" the nation founded by my ancestors.

Blogger Noah B May 10, 2016 2:07 PM  

Pointing out obvious hypocrisy from Jews is anti-Semitic.

Anonymous A non May 10, 2016 2:08 PM  

There are some very virtuous jews out there.

Perhaps the surest sign that a jew is NOT one of them, is if they change their name to conceal their ethnicity.

Blogger Greg May 10, 2016 2:11 PM  

The US was founded as a de facto ethno state if one bothers to read the Founding Fathers or study the various laws/practices which had the effect of restricting immigration and citizenship to white Europeans. Blacks and Native Indians were eventually granted citizenship because both groups' presences predated the United States. Following the Civil War a final resolution on the status of blacks had to be determined so as to avoid future conflict over the matter. In other words, minorities were given citizenship due to mitigating circumstances, not because the all-white founders dreamt up a multiethnic utopia.

Either way, just because the US has different restrictions than Israel does on who can immigrate doesn't discount the argument that Jews who want to keep Israel Jewish are being hypocritical when they ignore/dispute Americans who wish to keep their own country a certain way. The point is one can have standards of what one wants his country to remain. Pro-immigration Jews (and others) who aren't consistent here deserve to be called out.

Blogger Jourdan May 10, 2016 2:17 PM  

Talmudic arguments about why immigration is "good for thee but not for me" only serve to further illustrate that Jews cannot be trusted to reciprocate American nationalists' generally positive view of Israel and, more importantly, that with regard to the way they perceive the world, the Jew is really quite different from the European and the European-American.

Anonymous BGKB May 10, 2016 2:22 PM  

I like the Shroder's jew message. Wanting the same for your homeland as jews do for Israel makes you a Knot Sea.

"An ethnic Jew who is a Christian is not permitted the right of return...but that is cost prohibitive for most olim,"

Couldn't you pretend to be a godless c#cksucking bacon eater long enough to get citizenship? You can get rainbow feather boas for under $10 on amazon.

Anonymous 11B May 10, 2016 2:30 PM  

The funny thing is that Ann has gone out of her way not to blame immigration on the Jews. She has almost single-handedly convinced conservatives that Teddy Kennedy was the architect of the Immigration Act of 1965. All the while she has completely ignored the true author who spent nearly 40 years in the House of Representatives diligently striving to overturn the Immigration Act of 1924 with his insidious one of 1965.

Anonymous Izzy Rolfe May 10, 2016 2:30 PM  

I hope one day we can ban this kind of odious hate speech. It has no place in a diverse multicultural society.

Blogger Lovekraft May 10, 2016 2:30 PM  

This debate has to be handled very carefully. The marxists are waiting with baited breath at the alt-right to do something that would declare them 'open season'.

Not that the left hasn't done and continues to do things that blatantly call for a forceful response (No-Borders Barack as the prime example), but when I observe any article addressing a certain subsector of society, my approach is to determine how their power is out of balance with their numbers, contributions, attitudes etc.

Thus the ability to give the Finns a pass, but scrutinize anything coming from ((())).

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz May 10, 2016 2:32 PM  

Since Mz Young brought up Mr Trump, i'll use his quote, "Look at that face,"

Anonymous Jessie May 10, 2016 2:35 PM  

It is imperative that America become a non-white majority country for the sake of the future and humanity. It will be a ten fold better place.

Pretty much everyone agrees with the above statements.

The only people who disagree are some white people, mostly from entitled white men who have no clue how to function without being afforded privilege in almost every possible way, when a person of color or woman gains some sort of advantage or power.

I particularly love when people worry about a change in "American values" like all of our values are so damn peachy in the first place. We are a nation that was founded on theft, murder and slavery. We value the ability to purchase guns at Wal-Mart more than protecting first graders from being gunned down at schools. Women, in the year 2014, earn less than men for doing the same work. We actively look for ways to justify the murders of unarmed black people and women continue to be kept from making medical decisions about their own bodies. We would probably do well to rethink some of those values in the future.

Blogger Salt May 10, 2016 2:40 PM  

Jessie wrote:We value the ability to purchase guns at Wal-Mart more than protecting first graders from being gunned down at schools.

How many abortions have you had, Jessie? You stupid %^$#. Buying guns at Wal-Mart is great, helps in defending first graders from idiots you enable.

Anonymous David-093 May 10, 2016 2:41 PM  

@Jessie

Nobody cares.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 10, 2016 2:41 PM  

Cathy Young’s argument is all rhetoric. The proper response is rhetoric. Vox’s headline is a start:

Cathy Young, why do you hate America?

Let her explain how, well, gosh, some of her best friends are Americans.

Anonymous Culture Heretic May 10, 2016 2:44 PM  

And look what she wrote last year, an open hit piece on Vox himself:

Mutiny At The Hugos

Anonymous BlueSwedeShoes May 10, 2016 2:45 PM  

"The “double standards” argument has blatantly anti-Semitic overtones, since it invariably invokes Israel and never other small nations, like Finland, that limit immigration and grant automatic citizenship on the basis of ethnic background."

Oh fuck that bitch. Jews *absolutely* are arguing for unlimited immigration to small countries like Finland and Sweden while defending Israel's right to defend its borders.

I am also reasonably sure that Finland does not grant citizenship on the basis of ethnicity. I am pretty doubtful that *any* European country has anything like Israel's policy of citizenship for all-jews-except-the-christian-ones but only gives automatic citizenship to the children of citizens (regardless of ethnicity).

I'd like to think I'm not an anti-semite, but Jews arguing for a homeland for Jews while denouncing me for wanting to keep my people's 10 000 year old homeland really makes my blood boil.

Anonymous Troll grader May 10, 2016 2:48 PM  

Jessie-troll: Argumentum ad populum, tired SJW talking points, no originality.

My grade for you is either a D+ or maybe a C- if you can try again with more emotion.

Anonymous Sam the Man May 10, 2016 2:49 PM  

Post #5

Triple true if you married a shiksa and are raising the kids as papists.

That said I see nothing wrong with Israel not letting such folks in, considering the many issues that were had when Jewish men were marrying Lebanese women and letting them practice their old religion (baal)back in the day. Israel pretty much has to be the one refuge for Jewish folks who follow the law, or at least try to.

Not personnel in any way, just real-politic.

Anonymous Troll Grader May 10, 2016 2:50 PM  

Jessie-troll: Argumentum ad populum, tired SJW talking points, no originality.

My grade for you is either a D+ or maybe a C- if you can try again with more emotion.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 2:51 PM  

Because there is one thing that Finns hate even more than Americans - Russians

Yeah, we don't hate Americans in the same fashion as Russians. There is a qualitative difference. Americans just make us uncomfortable because the norms of social interaction are at the extreme opposite ends. Especially for personal space and eye contact. So, we don't like being around Americans, but we don't mind them being here.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 2:52 PM  

I am also reasonably sure that Finland does not grant citizenship on the basis of ethnicity.

It's basically, you learn the language, you get citizenship pretty easily.

But, see, there's the catch...

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 10, 2016 2:52 PM  

It is imperative that America become a non-white majority country for the sake of the future and humanity. It will be a ten fold better place.

Pretty much everyone agrees with the above statements.

The only people who disagree are some white people, mostly from entitled white men who have no clue how to function without being afforded privilege in almost every possible way, when a person of color or woman gains some sort of advantage or power.

I particularly love when people worry about a change in "American values" like all of our values are so damn peachy in the first place. We are a nation that was founded on theft, murder and slavery. We value the ability to purchase guns at Wal-Mart more than protecting first graders from being gunned down at schools. Women, in the year 2014, earn less than men for doing the same work. We actively look for ways to justify the murders of unarmed black people and women continue to be kept from making medical decisions about their own bodies. We would probably do well to rethink some of those values in the future.


If you are looking for validation or understanding, you've come to the wrong place.

If you had brought sandwiches, you might have succeeded in swaying a few of us.

Blogger tz May 10, 2016 2:56 PM  

Armed police and teachers can also buy guns at Wal-Mart.
Oh, you mean BLM, the cops will be gunning down the 1st graders

Anonymous Athor Pel May 10, 2016 2:56 PM  

Jessie, If you want to be sure the reader understands when you are being sarcastic you should enclose your comment in /sarc tags.

Blogger Feather Blade May 10, 2016 3:01 PM  

I'm pretty sure @26 is a spam-bot. You don't get that kind of dull repetition when an actual person is typing.

OpenID aew51183 May 10, 2016 3:01 PM  

thank you @26 (Jessie) for your post confirming the left is racist, wants to see white people eliminated, and hates American values.

As a suggestion: if you hate American values, leave. If you continue to demand Americans surrender their values to your bigotry, be prepared for forceful response. If Trump doesn't get it done, it's even money as to whether the next guy will bother with the niceties of participating in an election.

As "Der Juden", this concerns me. I'd rather have civil politics than violent, because, in the event of a civil war, the others on this column might execute me rather than take the chance I'm a traitor.

Anonymous Sam the Man May 10, 2016 3:01 PM  

Opps... responding to Rabbi B.

some day I will learn to count:

By the Bye, there are plenty of Jews in the US (~22% minimum) who are conservative, join the military and love the US with all their heart. Jews are not a monolithic block by any means, though I have to admit a lot of analytically smart merely cultural Jews do not seem to be able to make the connection with importing large numbers of Muslims into the US and the disaster it spells for every one.

I think it dates back to a centuries old fear of what the Christians might do if they are a majority. Self taught Jewish history is pretty much a bunch of tales of going into a nation, prospering and then getting thrown out (or worse). The aspect of myopic Jewish world-view and focus on economic well begin of the Jewish minority which contributes to that history is not covered so much. It is easier to see oneself as a virtuous victim.

It seems to have been this was for a few thousand years and likely will continue for a few more.

Anonymous Sam the Man May 10, 2016 3:03 PM  

# 33

" Americans just make us uncomfortable because the norms of social interaction are at the extreme opposite ends. Especially for personal space and eye contact."

could you please explain?

Many thanks

Blogger Phillip George May 10, 2016 3:07 PM  

America was founded as an ethnostate called Christendom, where Christianity is exactly and precisely a family tree.

let's cut out all the shit

No nation will be redeemed without the blood of Jesus.

For two thousand years when Kings and Presidents have knelt before the flag of Christendom, its Cross, their nations have been blessed.

When O went to the Church of the Nativity he didn't kneel.

Israel has a six point star of David, a man. The floor of the Church of the Nativity has a 14 point star meaning salvation. O didn't kneel. 322, the skull and bones, March 22, 2013 a ticking clock was set.

America is an ethno-state. Christianity is a family tree.

I got woken up, 4.30 am to say this.

Blogger Chiva May 10, 2016 3:08 PM  

We are a nation that was founded on theft, murder and slavery.

Take your self hate to another country then. You will not be missed.

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 10, 2016 3:10 PM  

We are a nation that was founded on theft, murder and slavery.

Well, shit. There goes our claim to "exceptionalism"...

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 3:13 PM  

could you please explain?

Every culture has an unwritten rule about how close you stand to someone when talking with him. Finland and Japan has the greatest distance. USA among the shortest.

Also, Finns have about the least amount of eye contact when talking with someone, Americans about the most.

And these aren't the only differences, but they are two of the most grating ones. In general, Americans seem incredibly obnoxious to us, but not in a deliberate way. It's just who they are. But it makes us uncomfortable.

Blogger SteelPalm May 10, 2016 3:18 PM  

I agree completely with Vox.

However, it should also be noted that there is a large portion of leftist American Jews (possibly even the majority) who argue for unfettered immigration into the US AND Israel.

Apparently, Israel being 16% Death Cult, several times their number in Swedenistan, France, Germany, or the UK, isn't enough for them.

They are consistent in their treasonous and suicidal inclinations.

Luckily, they're dying off in Israel (secular leftists tend to have fewer children than religious right-wingers), to where they form only about 15% of the population, but they're still a solid 70% or so of the Jews in the US.

Blogger professorastro May 10, 2016 3:27 PM  

I can't wait for Nick Gillespie to write an article saying the U.S. can't build a wall like Mexico did on their border with Central America.

Blogger Noah B May 10, 2016 3:28 PM  

"Americans just make us uncomfortable because the norms of social interaction are at the extreme opposite ends. Especially for personal space and eye contact."

The awkward situation survival guide - scroll/search down to "Encounters with Close Talkers"

Blogger Gaiseric May 10, 2016 3:28 PM  

@48: And yet, Jews are fleeing Europe in record numbers. I don't think their inclination is suicidal; at least not deliberately. I think that they think that they can screw over their hosts and then escape to parasitize some other host at no real risk to themselves.

Blogger Noah B May 10, 2016 3:29 PM  

Markku if you think Americans are bad, I'm guessing you've been fortunate enough not to have spent much time around Arabs and Af-Pak types.

Blogger Gaiseric May 10, 2016 3:29 PM  

I've never thought of Americans as close talkers. I got a lot more close-talking in South America when I was there.

Eye contact, though—yeah. We tend to think of people who won't look you in the eye as shifty and untrustworthy.

Blogger CarpeOro May 10, 2016 3:38 PM  

Simple solution is this - they get the right to live with their stated beliefs, to be a shining example to the unenlightened. From Martin Sheen to Ekaterina Jung, they should all get an allotment of refugees bivoucked in their homes (larger homes get a higher allocation) so they can put their money where their mouth is. And no, they don't select which ones they get.

Blogger Unknown May 10, 2016 3:39 PM  

#26 As it was put in Billy Madison: "What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Blogger John Williams May 10, 2016 3:40 PM  

It is imperative that America become a non-white majority country for the sake of the future and humanity.
There's already non-white continents. Why is no one pushing diversity for them?

It will be a ten fold better place.
The vast majority of non-white nations prove this statement to be false.

Pretty much everyone agrees with the above statements.
Maybe in your little social circle, but the grassroots cross-cultural uprising that's selected a nationalist as their presidential candidate indicates "pretty much everyone" doesn't agree.
The only people who disagree are some white people,
This is the small minority that's supporting Don Trump?
mostly from entitled white men who have no clue how to function without being afforded privilege in almost every possible way,
Europe and Japan were bombed flat and they've rebuilt modern industrial nations in less then a generation. Africa has been a sinkhole for greater efforts, sums of money that dwarf the Marshal Plan and lifetimes of volunteers that have failed to produce a well a village can maintain once the volunteers leave. This continental failure has continued for generations.
when a person of color or woman gains some sort of advantage or power.
Like Ben Carson, Condaleeza Rice, or Allen West? Your side rips them. Have any examples supporting your statement?
I particularly love when people worry about a change in "American values" like all of our values are so damn peachy in the first place.
You are free to leave.
We are a nation that was founded on theft, murder and slavery.
Wasn't it Muhammid Ali who said "Thank God my ancestors were on those boats" after returign from Africa?
We value the ability to purchase guns at Wal-Mart more than protecting first graders from being gunned down at schools.
The people purchasing guns at Walmart aren't the one prohibiting legal carry in schools.
Women, in the year 2014, earn less than men for doing the same work.
This has been proved to be false.
We actively look for ways to justify the murders of unarmed black people
You mean the thug that was assaulting a police officer?
and women continue to be kept from making medical decisions about their own bodies.
Third trimester abortions are rarely a medical necessity to save the mothers life.
We would probably do well to rethink some of those values in the future.
One always have to evaluate their choices, but the OODA loop is interrupted when emotion drives decisions. It's ironic you call for a process you're incapable of performing.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 3:45 PM  

Cathy Young, being an openly anti-American extremist opposed to the American national interest, should be ejected by every American

I may have fixed it for you. I have a suggestion for those who hate the Ozzie & Harriet, Mayberry RFD America I recall from my youth: LEAVE. GTFO, before the groundswell of my sentiment pushes you into the surf without a life preserver. Go congregate with the other rabbits Somewhere Else.

Blogger CarpeOro May 10, 2016 3:46 PM  

"Every culture has an unwritten rule about how close you stand to someone when talking with him. Finland and Japan has the greatest distance. USA among the shortest."

Guess it is dependent on where they are from in the USA. The only time I get closer than five feet is when it is required for confidentiality or not making noise around others at work. My experience with non-Americans (many non-European contractors in IT) has generally been they stand closer than I feel generally comfortable.

Anonymous BlueSwedeShoes May 10, 2016 3:48 PM  

"It's basically, you learn the language, you get citizenship pretty easily.

But, see, there's the catch..."

Finnish is basically just long periods of quiet interrupted by swearing and stabbing. Can't be that hard.

Anyway, isn't Swedish also ok due to both being official languages with equal standing? Which would make citizenship reasonably attainable for speakers of germanic languages. Though probably not any easier for kebab.

Blogger CarpeOro May 10, 2016 3:50 PM  

I think we can fund a GotoZimbabwe Kickstarter for you Jessie so you may bask in a ten fold more enlightened environment. Since you would never want to leave, it would be one way.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 3:51 PM  

@26 Jesse, "Light Bulb!" Pose for a photo and append your comments, preferably signed, onto a large Silhouette Style Target suitable for rapid fire pistol practice. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who would pay good money to practice targeting those who express such sentiments.

It would make you famous, trust me.

Blogger John Williams May 10, 2016 3:52 PM  

@58, My experience is the same. Talking to Europeans is like talking to city dwellers.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 10, 2016 3:53 PM  

Close talkers

Blogger Rabbi B May 10, 2016 3:54 PM  

@40 Sam the Man

By the Bye, there are plenty of Jews in the US (~22% minimum) who are conservative, join the military and love the US with all their heart. Jews are not a monolithic block by any means, though I have to admit a lot of analytically smart merely cultural Jews do not seem to be able to make the connection with importing large numbers of Muslims into the US and the disaster it spells for every one.

The ~22% are irrelevant. No one cares about any *exceptions* at the end of the day, nor should we expect them too. People will only remember the "Cathy Young's" and her ilk. And who will blame them? NAJALT? So what?

I know I've argued this ad nauseum, but perhaps it bears repeating anyway:

We have been scattered to the winds. Approximately 5-6 million Jews still reside in the US. We have, by and large, not settled down and behaved ourselves as we were admonished, but have rather inserted ourselves in every nook and cranny of this culture and have behaved (generally) like an obnoxious guest who keeps putting his feet on the table and who everyone wishes would just leave.

How can a Jew, cultural or otherwise, honestly claim that he is An American first? It's a specious claim, at best. In other words it's bullshit. Always has been, and always will be. Our people don't read, have become illiterate, and don't even understand their own history from a proper perspective, let alone history generally. (cf. Isaiah 29; Jeremiah 29)

I am not fooling myself or anyone else ... I am a Jew who is temporarily residing in someone else's country. I am a sojourner, here, an alien, a guest. The sooner we admit that truth and behave ourselves accordingly the better. Sooner or later, G-d is going to use every nation on this earth to remind us who we are, why we are really here, and to Whom we belong. That day can't come soon enough.

All the name-changing, assimilating, hoping-to-be-embraced-and-loved-by-everyone, G-d-forsaking Cathy Youngs in the world are not going to forestall that one little bit. Mark my words.

I swear, we continue to be our own worst enemy. G-d help us.

Anonymous Opus May 10, 2016 3:56 PM  

I am not American so it matters little to me, but as I recall America began when a group of people organised from 59 Palace Street Canterbury made a perilously dangerous voyage to Massachussettes for the purpose of obtaining religious liberty.

I am sorry that your country like mine has too many traitors in its midst.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 3:56 PM  

@56 John Williams, regarding that 3rd trimester thing, as long as there are Planned Parenthood Ghouls willing to perform them I can't see why we should foist our values onto African American women who see nothing wrong with peripartum infanticide (as long as it's their own offspring being offed.)

Cultural sensitivity, right?

Blogger Rabbi B May 10, 2016 3:56 PM  

@42 Sam the Man

Apparently, I can't count either .... oy.

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2016 3:56 PM  

It's basically, you learn the language, you get citizenship pretty easily.

Crafty, but we all see what you did there, ice hebrew.

Blogger Cicatrizatic May 10, 2016 3:56 PM  

The first Naturalization Act passed by Congress, which was enacted in 1790, limited naturalization to "free white persons of good character".

Blogger Tank May 10, 2016 3:59 PM  

Don't they have editors there? How does such a brutally weak, defective argument by Young even get published?

Tank, a Jew.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 4:02 PM  

Regarding the Jews...

I favor mono-citizenship (AKA undivided loyalties.) Every person who maintains a claim on citizenship other than US should be prohibited, on pain of immediate and permanent expulsion, from political office, voting or political activity of any sort.

Any US citizen who accepts money from any foreign entity for the purpose of engaging in political, legal or social influence should be jailed, then stripped of citizenship and ejected. No foreign activity beyond narrowly commercial, the more narrow the better. No More Soros.

This would solve the question of divided loyalties with Jews quite quickly.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 10, 2016 4:09 PM  

Dual-Citizen Cathy Young should be stripped of her USA citizenship and deported.. and she's by no means the only one. Of course, we'd need a God-Emperor to do that…..

OpenID aew51183 May 10, 2016 4:10 PM  

@64 - BINGO.
As a fellow Jew I agree.

Anonymous Eduardo May 10, 2016 4:15 PM  

Well if you want nationality to mean loyalty. You gonna add something to be lost by betraying the nation!

Know what, no better not, soon you people will have public executions for betraying the ideals of the revolution, you guys will be so barbaric that you will be hiring Mexicans to do graveyards. =_=

USA's future is dark... Deally dark

OpenID aew51183 May 10, 2016 4:17 PM  

@71 I prefer something stricter - Starship troopers citizenship mixed with the original constitution:

You can only vote if:
A - you've served your country in an armed, exploration, or logistical service
B - you own land within the nation's borders.

Anonymous Millenium May 10, 2016 4:17 PM  

OT, Texas council knocks back a proposal for a Sharia Court 5-4 and muslims cry islamophobia.

How can you tell me Texas is not cucked when 4 out of 9 councillors support the islamic takeover of Texas?

http://supremepatriot.com/2016/04/13/outraged-muslims-cry-islamaphobia-after-texas-mayor-bans-sharia-court-heres-her-epic-response/#

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 10, 2016 4:18 PM  

BTW, Rabbi B's tale of rejection is also what happened to the late Larry Auster - full-blood Jewish convert to Christianity. They said no when he made inquiries about departing Banana Empire after the elevation of Housenigga Hussein to Goldman-Sachs' chief teleprompter-reader of chimpanzerie. I think in response to Mangan telling him to shut up about how wonderful Israel is and make aliyah already. They say: No aliyah for you! LA was pissed about it.

Anonymous Opus May 10, 2016 4:20 PM  

In 130 A.D. Trajan (or was it Hadrian) threw the Jews out of Palestine (causing too much trouble as usual). They wandered around for two millennia. In 1921 Prime Minister Balfour made his famous declaration as to a homeland for Jews - he thought, maybe Kenya or Uganda). At the beginning of 1948 Palestine which had been a British Protectorate was handed over to the new state of Israel (following Jewish terrorism). Those who moved there (largely from Germany) were of both the Jewish race and the Jewish religion.

Blogger SteelPalm May 10, 2016 4:20 PM  

@51 Gaiseric

"And yet, Jews are fleeing Europe in record numbers. I don't think their inclination is suicidal; at least not deliberately. I think that they think that they can screw over their hosts and then escape to parasitize some other host at no real risk to themselves."

No, they're leaving because the European nations have decided to replace their Jews with members of the Death Cult.

How's that working out?

Or it's because these European nations (as a whole) despise their Jews as much as some of the commentators here do.

As for "parasitizing" (not a word), why, that means Europe is presently experiencing a new Golden Age! There were, after all, about 15 million Jews in Europe during the first half of the 20th century. That number fell to about 9 million in 1945 and has now dwindled to at most 1 million Jews in all of Europe.

Yet, oddly enough, despite losing so many millions of "parasites", myself included, I don't see this Golden Age at all!

On the contrary, Europe is weaker and worse off than ever economically, militarily, and culturally .

But much like blacks blame the failure of all-black cities like Detroit and Baltimore on "white supremacy", I'm sure a certain portion will continue blaming white Europe's problems on its (increasingly vanishing, irrelevant) Jews.

And much like with Detroit and Baltimore, it won't fix the problems.

Anonymous Jon Norris Pitts May 10, 2016 4:20 PM  

Well, it seems that many of the people here think that Trump will act as a defender of white civilization.

In pondering Election Day, then, one is reminded of the person who finally makes a doctor’s appointment six months after discovering a mysterious lump. You either have cancer or you don’t. Visiting the doctor does not affect that one way or another. It simply tells you what you’re dealing with.

Similarly, this country has either lost itself down a rabbit hole of ignorance and lies, fear and fury, or it has not. Certainly, the symptoms have long been obvious. From faith-based foreign policy to cynical obstructionism to economic hostage-taking to birther nonsense, right up to Donald Trump’s neo-fascism, it has long been clear something was wrong with conservative Christian white poeople, that it had become a fundamentally unserious haven of cranks and kooks.

Make no mistake: Any country that would elect Donald Trump as president deserves Donald Trump as president. But the question is: Are we that country? Are we that far gone? Whether we are or are not, it’s past time we knew. So fine, let’s do this.

What’s coming in November is not an election. No, it’s a reckoning, long overdue.


Blogger Student in Blue May 10, 2016 4:24 PM  

@71. dc.sunsets
Regarding the Jews...

I favor mono-citizenship (AKA undivided loyalties.)


I'd almost rather have the dual citizenships, because at least it's upfront that they aren't 100% committed to the USA. Otherwise you'd have a bunch more people who are secretly working for another country, rather than openly.

Blogger Matthew Heaving Bosoms May 10, 2016 4:24 PM  

Dual citizenship is as meaningful as "a little bit pregnant".

You either live with your own blood and on your own soil, or you're a guest. If you're a guest, you might consider acting honorably to your host, so that you are protected by guest-rights.

Blogger Jew613 May 10, 2016 4:28 PM  

Markku, how hard is it to learn Finnish?

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados May 10, 2016 4:29 PM  

80. Lol you mad bro?

But seriously none of what you said was accurate or true.

Anybody who has been framing this (and other countries') election as nationalism vs globalism saw this coming a mile away. Also you seem to not realize that nationalism/patriotism goes beyond identity politics as evidenced by Trump's appeal with "ethnic minorities" and women. You can cite polls, but just looking at his rallies is a MUCH better barometer. Those people out there aren't numbers, and they GREATLY give a damn about the direction this country is going.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 4:31 PM  

Oh look, another (((immigrant))) with divided loyalties can't handle American nationalism. This is my surprised face. :|

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 4:32 PM  

The first Naturalization Act passed by Congress, which was enacted in 1790, limited naturalization to "free white persons of good character".

Great point. Corrected.

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2016 4:32 PM  

And much like with Detroit and Baltimore, it won't fix the problems.

SteelPalm, don't lie to the goyim.

We are in enough trouble as it is.

Blogger Earl May 10, 2016 4:33 PM  

Should it be illegal for Jews to change their names to sound less Jewish on grounds that to do so is anti-Semitic hate speech?

Anonymous Bz May 10, 2016 4:35 PM  

So her argument is essentially "Israel is different. It just is. And you're an unacceptable human being for thinking otherwise." Well, thanks for clearing that up. The argument about Finns is quite pitiful, but what can you do.

However, I also get this creeping feeling that she simultaneously doesn't have a lot of sympathy for European ethnostates. Funny that. I hope I'm wrong, of course.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 10, 2016 4:35 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:I swear, we continue to be our own worst enemy. G-d help us.


That's so negative, you say it like that's most of the Bible or something.

Lulz aside, the same can be said about most white countries now. But hey, maybe if we try to resurrect fascism it'll work this time and we can have Western civilization without Jesus!

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 10, 2016 4:37 PM  

Oh right, I forgot I browsed over here to drop a link to /pol/'s Liberal logic meme collection.

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 10, 2016 4:40 PM  

What’s coming in November is not an election. No, it’s a reckoning, long overdue.

Yes, yes it is.
But probably not the one you suspect.

Anonymous Big Bill May 10, 2016 4:44 PM  

It's sad, but Cathy suffers from the same neuroses and cognitive dissonance that so many Exilic Jews suffer from.

I like real Jews--Israeli Jews. As a third generation Sabra said to some whiny American, "you killed your natives, why can't we kill ours?"

A very good point.

Jews got Israel by Right of Conquest, the same as everybody else. If they are willing to kill and die for it, it's theirs as far as I am concerned.

It's only the whiny, neurotic, Exilic Jews that pull the Cathy Young crap.

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2016 4:50 PM  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

Holy shit.

How come at least once a month now I learn that everything I learned was complete bullshit and that I'm functionally retarded when it comes to history?

Why?

Blogger Julie Dyal May 10, 2016 4:52 PM  

SteelPalm wrote:No, they're leaving because the European nations have decided to replace their Jews with members of the Death Cult.
No, they're leaving because the (((banksters))) of Europe have decided to import members of the Death Cult, and the European soi-disant elite are in on the club, for the most part. Jews famously look after their own interests.

Or it's because these European nations (as a whole) despise their Jews as much as some of the commentators here do.

You didn't dig quite far enough. Why is that, do you wonder?

As for "parasitizing" (not a word),

Srsly? Get a better dictionary.

why, that means Europe is presently experiencing a new Golden Age! There were, after all, about 15 million Jews in Europe during the first half of the 20th century. That number fell to about 9 million in 1945 and has now dwindled to at most 1 million Jews in all of Europe.

It's doubtful that there were six million Jews in all of Europe on the eve of WW2. And their numbers rebounded rather remarkably after the Holocaust... almost as if... they might have exaggerated the numbers a teensy weensy bit (like several hundred percent) to engender more sympathy, demand more reparations, and otherwise extort Europe and the West a bit more effectively.

On the contrary, Europe is weaker and worse off than ever economically, militarily, and culturally .

Well, of course it is! After all, the patsies fought each other, and then Eastern Europe was given to the ideology that was so heavily infested with Jews that it might as well be seen as a Jewish conspiracy to overthrow the Tsar. And then a watered down version of the exact same ideology was foisted on the rest of the continent.

Maybe instead of assuming just because you have one (bad) data point with which you are attempting to establish suspicious correlation, you should get some more data points before jumping to such an extraordinary conclusion.

Blogger Cloudswrest May 10, 2016 4:56 PM  

Funny she should bring up Finland given Ramzpaul's euphemism for ykw.

Anonymous Clay May 10, 2016 4:59 PM  

Jew613 wrote:Markku, how hard is it to learn Finnish?

Speak Russian, drop your weapon, bend over, and die would be easier. And, quicker.

Anonymous Big Bill May 10, 2016 4:59 PM  

"The “double standards” argument has blatantly anti-Semitic overtones, since it invariably invokes Israel and never other small nations, like Finland, that limit immigration and grant automatic citizenship on the basis of ethnic background."

It doesn't even make sense. Finlanders in America are not preaching open borders as part of their Odin-commanded duty to "heal the world" and trying to con us into wasting wealth defending Finland.

If Finlanders ever pulled that crap, I would scream about Finlander "double standards" and "hypocrisy" as well.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 10, 2016 5:10 PM  

An ethnic Jew who is a Christian is not permitted the right of return.

The funny thing is, such a thing is commonly supposed not to exist, despite the fact that the U.S. has about 1.6 million of them. (Plus, Rabbi B right here.)

Anonymous Sam thre Man May 10, 2016 5:16 PM  

Rabbi....

Having been an outsider in some way in almost every part of society I would say that America is most certainly a place for a Jew, even a follower of Christ, as you say you are. Of course I do not claim to follow the various Christian sects, but it seems they are all very open to converts or fellow travelers of Christ faith (just don't challenge the parentage). For those Jews who have married out of the faith and dead(at least not so popular)to their wider family, there is no other choice but America.

Now the US of A is by no means perfect but it has never had a pogrom; the worst the prior generations have with white gentiles is that they could not join excusive protestant golf clubs or were openly snubbed at University. But neither could Catholics with Slavic or Italian names...so is that really a reason to feel a victim here? America has been very good to the Jewish people, why should Jews show scorn to such an open minded people, but that is what some do when they work against the interests of the gentiles while in their minds thinking they should be the conscious of those people. What hubris.

Now if you include yourself in American life...like join a gun club or be skilled at various hobbies, well you are as accepted as it is possible to be. They may not want you to marry their sister, but.....the feeling is pretty much mutual, is it not? One of the aspects I like in particular about the US of A is it is possible to be accepted almost anywhere if you chose to acclimatize to the culture and strenuously avoid trying to guilt people but show appreciation to them and what they hold dear.

Now Cathy Young and her ilk are disliked not because they are Jewish, but because folks see them as not having America's best interest in mind. Same thing with Billy Crystal and all the other so called intellectuals that are nothing more than idiots following an age old pattern of putting their trust in various princes while pissing on the peasants. Well I have spent a lot of time with the goyim peasants and they are a lot nicer than a lot of the chosen people who will not even eat at your house because you are not kosher enough. Yea conservative is a heretic to someone a wee bit more conservative (not talking orthodox/conservative).

I mean no disrespect, far from it, I have nothing but respect for those who have genuinely follow or attempted to follow the law, written and oral (though as I age methinks the oral does not indicate what folks think it says) Perhaps a chosen people were chosen to be a light to all humanity and not seek to change everyone to reflect said peoples inclinations. Cathy Young and her ilk have not acclimatized, she still holds in her heart the idea that Goyim are cattle to be used for Jewish self interest.

I think that was sort of a rant, but hopefully not a disrespectful one.

An openly American, American

Anonymous mature craig May 10, 2016 5:18 PM  

yeah I guess nationalism is very important for a nation

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 5:20 PM  

Feather Blade wrote:I'm pretty sure @26 is a spam-bot. You don't get that kind of dull repetition when an actual person is typing.

Not only that, but it hasn't been updated since 2014.

Anonymous Ronnie May 10, 2016 5:20 PM  

@93

Jews got the land by way of the British, and maintain the land by way of the White American taxpayers whom fund their military.

Blogger Cecil Henry May 10, 2016 5:23 PM  

The hypocrisy and blatant blindness of so many Jews is offensive and insults everyone else.

Come on with such dishonesty.

Anonymous mature craig May 10, 2016 5:23 PM  

The anti nationalism forces should be opposed

Anonymous Ronnie May 10, 2016 5:30 PM  

I'd just like to see some gratification from the tribe to those who made it possible for an Isreal to exist.

Overtly advocating an open border policy that will eventually ruin our nations while preserving their tight immigration policies is akin to spitting in our collective faces.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 5:40 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:@5 synp

"Ethnic Jews are allowed the right of return. All you need is a single Jewish grandparent."

That's not the reality on the ground. Jews who embrace Y'shua as the Messiah and who are ethnic Jews (like myself, Jewish mother) are generally denied aliyah. The oleh can always hire an attorney and fight the denial, but that is cost prohibitive for most olim, such as myself, seeking aliyah.


aew51183 wrote:As "Der Juden", this concerns me. I'd rather have civil politics than violent, because, in the event of a civil war, the others on this column might execute me rather than take the chance I'm a traitor.

Move out into the country. Pick a regular bar or three and get to know people over brewskis. Invite your neighbors over for a housewarming party. Join a gun club. Join a fraternal org.

Demonstrate (and learn if necessary) a skill or three that would be useful in a "grid down and on your own" situation. It could be a major earthquake or weeks-long blizzard, doesn't take TEOTWAWKI to turn a friend and neighbor into either an asset or liability. Make a mutual assistance & defense pact with your neighbors.

Small-town politics is personal. On the one hand, there's all the usual gossipy bullshit that you thought you left behind in high school. The flip side is that you're an individual, and you'll be hardly any less alien then the white guy that moved from twenty miles away twenty years ago.

Some of those things I haven't done yet myself, but they're all good ideas and the undone ones are on my own personal to-do list. So I'm giving you the same advice that I would give myself.

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade May 10, 2016 5:48 PM  

As a literal Nazi, I fully support these Jews being out front and vocal with their hypocrisy in promoting the destruction of white western countries.

Anonymous GRRM May 10, 2016 5:49 PM  

Chiva wrote:We are a nation that was founded on theft, murder and slavery.

Take your self hate to another country then. You will not be missed.


He didn't mention rape. I like rape.

Anonymous mature craig May 10, 2016 5:51 PM  

Yeah the challenge for America is to get all it's heterogenous people's to buy into nationalism. Not easy

Blogger Rusty Fife May 10, 2016 6:00 PM  

Opus wrote:I recall America began when a group of people organised from 59 Palace Street Canterbury made a perilously dangerous voyage to Massachussettes for the purpose of obtaining religious liberty.

That was the dumb ones in 1620. They were communists that nearly all died the first winter. They now celebrate living through the second winter after throwing off communism.

There were other more successful colonies settled before that one.

Blogger Matamoros May 10, 2016 6:19 PM  

SJWs gotta SJW - After Trump chalking, university forces students to take ‘minority culture’ class to graduate

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/27391/

Blogger Rabbi B May 10, 2016 6:23 PM  

@100 Sam the Man

Now Cathy Young and her ilk are disliked not because they are Jewish, but because folks see them as not having America's best interest in mind.

You're wrong.

Because when it comes right down to it, Jews are Jews first, and Jews may try to deny it all they want, as loud as they want, and as often as they want, but a Jew is a Jew no matter which country he resides in, and when a Jew constantly puts his own interests ahead of and to the detriment of the interests of his gracious hosts(and I would I agree that America has been a most gracious host), then his Jewishness will be viewed as the culprit, not his "anti-[insert country]" leanings, philosophies, or behaviors.

Even the Bible (which is what ultimately underlies my points) recognizes that we are Jews first. In Esther, Mordechai is known as Mordechai the Jew, not Mordechai the Persian. Esther talks about "her people", and she is not referring to Persians. Daniel, and his three companions are identified as Hebrew youths, never Babylonian. Moses, growing up in Egypt and trained in the Egyptian court, is not Egyptian, and takes exception when he witnesses an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, fleeing shortly thereafter only to return with the message, "let my people [the Jews] go.".

In the book of Acts chapter two, though a great number of Jews are gathered from a variety of nations, it is clear they are Jews, and are referred to as such, no matter which language they spoke or in which country they were currently residing. (cf. Acts 2:5-12)

And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language . . . And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?

Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of G-d.


(cf. Acts 2:5-12)

Not Parthians, Medes, and Elamites first ... but Jews, first and last. The mere passage of time will not change this incontrovertible truth, no matter how much you would like to deny it.

If we had not insisted on assimilating and continuing to deny who we are, Jews first, we would have also remembered that were aliens and strangers in a strange land as long as we were outside eretz Israel and perhaps remembered to seek the best interests of our host nations. The problem is that we (most especially the Reform movement) worked hard to make every place we went a "little Israel." This was a grave mistake.

Mordechai, Esther, Daniel, etc. served the countries, the citizens of those countries, and the best interests of both without attempting to remake those countries in their own image or the image of Israel, while remaining very much who they were and who G-d called them to be: a light unto the nations.

If you're Jewish Sam, the more you try to hide or deny it, the more it will out you and negatively define you. History supports me in this.

How many Jews, I wonder, declared themselves Germans first and had medals pinned to their chests for serving in WWI? And which Jews of which nation were leading the herd in assimilation and so-called emancipation? Which Jews were calling synagogues "Temples" and why? Which Jews were calling Berlin the "New Jerusalem" and why? How'd that work out for the German Jew? The French Jew? The Polish Jew? The Hungarian Jew? The Austrian Jew?

Our people are suffering from the greatest identity crisis in history and continuing to deny who we are is only exacerbating the situation. With all due respect, Sam, please go and study. The alternative is to keep on living in a fool's paradise.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 6:32 PM  

Markku, how hard is it to learn Finnish?

Languages are divided into classes based on difficulty. Class 5 is the most difficult. Finnish is Class 4 with an asterisk, which means "significantly more difficult to learn for English speakers".

So, for someone coming from an English background it's basically Category 5. From some other language, especially Oriental, Category 4.

Anonymous BGKB May 10, 2016 6:45 PM  

The problem is you can't tell people like Jessie from the worst (((parody))) you could imagine.

large portion of leftist American Jews (possibly even the majority) who argue for unfettered immigration into the US AND Israel

Not large they simply want cheap Arab whores male& female.

I think that they think that they can screw over their hosts and then escape to parasitize some other host at no real risk to themselves

You don't expect them to stay on a dead host do you?

We actively look for ways to justify the murders of unarmed black people

Hey liberals are in charge of the places cops don't bother investigating murders because both sides call them racist.

Sam the Man By the Bye, there are plenty of Jews in the US (~22% minimum) who are conservative, join the military and love the US

Almost makes me want to make the case for the small minority of gay race realists or have been in the military. Greater than 70% chance is appropriate for stereotypes. Maybe I should move back to dieversecity if the pendulum isn't going to swing back.

Blogger Jew613 May 10, 2016 6:50 PM  

Any Jew who says they put non-Jewish interests first, is either a liar or a traitor, and who can stand either. Jews who have not drunk of strange waters and cut themselves off from Hashem and their people should come home. If they choose to stay in exile then be good guests. Do not try to weaken the host nation and encourage mass invasion. Israel should have strong borders and every nation that wishes to survive will do the same.

As for close talking. Anyone from France or the Balkans stands what seems to me aggressively close.

Blogger James Dixon May 10, 2016 7:04 PM  

> How come at least once a month now I learn that everything I learned was complete bullshit and that I'm functionally retarded when it comes to history?

Because our public education system hasn't taught history in over 50 years.

Anonymous Anonymous May 10, 2016 7:17 PM  

Another fair comment (although logic is of little use in persuasion these days): although Canada is not a hostile neighbour to the US (much like Jordan is not hostile to Israel), Mexico clearly is a "hostile neighbour". Although Mexico does not threaten to wipe the US off the map like some of Israel's neighbours, unregulated illegal immigration is essentially destroying the US. As for overtly hostile acts, in the last 10 years 60,000 American citizens have been murdered by the Mexican cartels.

Blogger Sean Carnegie May 10, 2016 7:17 PM  

I am starting to wish the Jews would find an internally Jewish problem to wrestle with and leave the rest of us alone for a while. Maybe another profit to persecute or something.

They kind of already had their internal problem. But, after killing Christ, it's rather tough to find something else worthy of being such a time and energy sink.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 7:27 PM  

@58 CarpeOro

Guess it is dependent on where they are from in the USA.
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Yeah, what is the distance we are discussing here? 5' or so, or do all the Finns like to yell at each other 100' away?

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 7:29 PM  

@63 #8601 Jean Valjean
Close talkers

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Oh, I get it now!

https://i.imgflip.com/vnxwi.jpg

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 7:34 PM  

@75 aew51183
B - you own land within the nation's borders.
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But how easy it is for them to take your property.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 10, 2016 7:59 PM  

My young Jewish friend who is on the dating scene says there are basically three types of Jewish women:

1. JAPs (daddy issues)
2. Hippies (many of whom are SJWs)
3. Russians (gold diggers).

Slim pickings, indeed.


Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 8:06 PM  

I couldn't find the value for Finland in specific, but I've heard that Finland and Japan has almost exactly the same, hence the two nationalities get along exceptionally well. So:

USA: 18 inches
Japan: 36 inches

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 8:10 PM  

It may or may not be a coincidence that knife is our absolute number one murder weapon (killing with a gun is just so impersonal and cowardly) and 36 inches is just outside a good reach.

Anonymous Bukulu May 10, 2016 8:12 PM  

Sam the Man:

Finn extrovert: someone who stares at your shoes when he's talking to you.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 8:13 PM  

It also occurs to me that in a culture that prefers to kill with a handgun, closer might actually be safer.

Blogger stevo May 10, 2016 8:15 PM  

Wow, when you put it that way, who could disagree?

Anonymous Godfrey May 10, 2016 8:19 PM  

Israel has a wall.

I think Israel should be more diverse. Shouldn't the world community pressure Israel to open its borders?

Blogger Johnny May 10, 2016 8:19 PM  

There have been barriers to Jewish integration, but there have not been barriers in place for two thousand years. The lack of integration over the millenniums happened because Jewish culture traditionally was very clannish. They were a people apart and were determined to remain a people apart.

Not being a part of the local culture they did not feel a need to obey the local social norms, and that created opportunities that they could exploit. In some cases they were the king's secret service, or openly an administrative branch for the king, and in both cases they were useful because they had little in the way of loyalty to the local population. From the viewpoint of the lower classes they were exploitive in that the local king was often not well liked.

Additionally they were often involved as money lenders at first and later bankers, and they engaged in the kind of behavior that would later be called capitalism. Both of these activities generated animus toward the Jewish population. And if they borrowed money to the local potentate, that was a ticket to get run out of the country also. Raising a mob and having the Jew run out of town "on a rail" was often easier than paying the debt.

Certainly they were often treated badly and at times with brutally, but I am not arguing the moral case here, only the reality of Jewish existence during the diaspora. They were a people apart and frequent dealt with a local population in ways that produced an element of hostility. That along with being self framed outsiders made Europe a dangerous place for Jews.

As for the future I believe the Jews should worry a whole lot more about Islam than us Northern Europeans. Europe is or is slowly turning anti semitic and the point of the spear is Islam. A bigger Arabic-Islamic population and the Jews will be on the run again. We are somewhat in the same process here but not as far along.

And this implicit effort to run down American power and culture is madness. We are close to being Israel's only benefactor right now. Even if a lot of it is Jewish money in American politics, things are as they are and a small and isolated country like Israel had best take allies as they come.

Anonymous Thor Son May 10, 2016 8:22 PM  

Pretty sure there's going to be a jewish holocaust in this century (for the first time :)

Anonymous Thor Son May 10, 2016 8:26 PM  

127. Johnny You gave a great cucked defense of the jews. You forgot to mention that they have been genociding whites (see Coudenhove Kalergi plan).

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 8:34 PM  

This perhaps illustrates the problem that English speakers have with learning the language. You have one word for one thing. We construct words that say a plurality of things with logical but complicated rules by chaining suffixes to a word. Sometime hilariously many.

If you haven't learned to think along these terms in your native language, it's almost impossible to learn as an adult.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 8:36 PM  

The explanation, copied from below:
Juokse = Run (as in a command), Juoksennella = to run around aimlessly.
Juoksentelisin = I would run around aimlessly (-isin means that we're talking about "I" here, and it also includes the "would" in the -tel- part combined with the -isin.) ((it would be "juoksentelen" if the person was doing it right now))
Juoksentelisinko = Would I run around aimlessly? (-ko signifies that the person is not sure and asks a question, "Would I?"
Juoksentelisinkohan = I wonder if I should run around aimlessly? (it looks unreal that a simple -han could add this much stuff but yeah, it does. The word can also mean "I wonder if I WOULD run around aimlessly?")
In a same fashion you can say, for example, "rakentelisinkohan?". (Rakentaa = to build. Rakentelisinkohan = I wonder if I should/would build (something) randomly/aimlessly?"
And that's Finnish for you. Don't ask how native Finns learn that shit, I'm not even sure myself.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2016 8:39 PM  

Markku wrote:It may or may not be a coincidence that knife is our absolute number one murder weapon (killing with a gun is just so impersonal and cowardly) and 36 inches is just outside a good reach.

I was just going to suggest that

It also occurs to me that in a culture that prefers to kill with a handgun, closer might actually be safer.
Explaining America's smaller zones.

Anonymous Bukulu May 10, 2016 8:51 PM  

Actually 36" is not remotely safe... Remember the Tueller Drill? No matter the personal weapon, closer is safer. Unless you're unaware of the impending attack; then no distance is safe.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 8:59 PM  

The other Finn would of course have a knife too. The concern is just a surprise stab that you don't see coming because it's outside your field of view.

Anonymous Ken May 10, 2016 9:00 PM  

Hard not to notice who pushes for and then creates central banks; who pushes for diversity and invasion; and who takes central leading roles in debasing and devaluing my culture.

If noticing and opposing all of those many negatives makes me an "anti-semite", then I guess there's no more discussion to be had.

Now we move on to the next step...

Anonymous Brick Hardslab May 10, 2016 9:37 PM  

Eighteen inches? The only person I talk to that closely are my wife in bed and my children if I am hugging them. Most of the people I know prefer several feet between them.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 10:17 PM  

OT: This Bernout victory speech - he says Florider and Virginyer.

How do you get "er" and "yer" from the letter A?

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 10:19 PM  

OT: Lol Bernout is White Knighting for John McCain

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 10, 2016 10:27 PM  

Markku
Languages are divided into classes based on difficulty. Class 5 is the most difficult. Finnish is Class 4 with an asterisk,

Wait, is that a Hugo asterisk? Or a Sears asterisk? Or what?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 10, 2016 10:28 PM  

Markku
Languages are divided into classes based on difficulty. Class 5 is the most difficult. Finnish is Class 4 with an asterisk,

Wait, is that a Hugo asterisk? Or a Sears asterisk? Or what?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 10, 2016 10:48 PM  

"How do you get "er" and "yer" from the letter A?"
NEW YAWK joo yankee, That's how.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 10:52 PM  

It's "abandon all hope ye English speakers who enter here" asterisk.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 10, 2016 10:53 PM  

"Certainly they were often treated badly and at times with brutally, but I am not arguing the moral case here, only the reality of Jewish existence during the diaspora. They were a people apart and frequent dealt with a local population in ways that produced an element of hostility. That along with being self framed outsiders made Europe a dangerous place for Jews."
They didn't have damn thing to do in making it that way, did they ?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 10, 2016 10:56 PM  

"It's "abandon all hope ye English speakers who enter here" asterisk."
* heh *

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 11:07 PM  

I couldn't find the value for Finland in specific, but I've heard that Finland and Japan has almost exactly the same, hence the two nationalities get along exceptionally well. So:

USA: 18 inches
Japan: 36 inches


Huh. So apparently just a quarter Finnish is enough.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 11:16 PM  

And that's Finnish for you. Don't ask how native Finns learn that shit, I'm not even sure myself.

So it's learnable by programmers?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 10, 2016 11:20 PM  

It's "abandon all hope ye English speakers who enter here" asterisk.

Does Hugo Award Nominated Author Dr. Tingle know about this asterisk?

Just asking.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 10, 2016 11:21 PM  

It's "abandon all hope ye English speakers who enter here" asterisk.

Does Hugo Award Nominated Author Dr. Tingle know about this asterisk?

Just asking.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 11:41 PM  

SciVo: Note, that remark was written by a Dane. As for the actual answer, it's a combination of memorizing and logic. You memorize certain common factors in constructing them, which makes the actual construction intellectually easy and fast.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 11:43 PM  

But it's so much memorizing that after your linguistic intelligence crystallizes at a certain point in your childhood, it's possible only to geniuses.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2016 11:43 PM  

Technically, Finnish is a stongly-cased agglutinativve language. Meaning that in English is carried by "helping verbs" is carried by suffixes. Lots and lots of suffixes.


Reportedly, it's not that difficult if you've already learned Russian... and Japanese.

Blogger Shimshon May 11, 2016 1:40 AM  

@113

"Even the Bible (which is what ultimately underlies my points) recognizes that we are Jews first. In Esther, Mordechai is known as Mordechai the Jew, not Mordechai the Persian. Esther talks about "her people", and she is not referring to Persians. Daniel, and his three companions are identified as Hebrew youths, never Babylonian. Moses, growing up in Egypt and trained in the Egyptian court, is not Egyptian, and takes exception when he witnesses an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, fleeing shortly thereafter only to return with the message, "let my people [the Jews] go."."

A little bit misleading, perhaps unintentionally. The Persian Empire was multicultural, and Jewish sources emphasize this (Esther speaks of "127 provinces" - nations, really). Haman himself was "Agagi" (ie Amalekite) and not Persian (it can be argued that his plan to kill all the Jews was also counter to Persian interests). The same probably applies to Babylon, who no doubt did to others what they did to ancient Israel. Moses was called an Egyptian by Jethro's daughters without correcting them (and he was taken to task for this).

Anonymous Fnord Prefect May 11, 2016 5:41 AM  

@47 Every culture has an unwritten rule about how close you stand to someone when talking with him. Finland and Japan has the greatest distance. USA among the shortest.

Try France. They have no concept of personal space. Space belongs to everyone so watch out if someone ruder more egotistical or more selfish wants to be where you are. They will touch you/push you/stand on you whatever the laws of physics might say - the very essence of socialism.

Their behaviour on the roads isn't any better which leads to one of the highest accident rates in EUrostan.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 11, 2016 11:20 AM  

" Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 8:36 PM
The explanation, copied from below:
Juokse = Run (as in a command),
..."
And that's Finnish for you. Don't ask how native Finns learn that shit, I'm not even sure myself."


Looks like Korean. Does Finnish have honorifics? Meaning the ultimate suffix changes depending on the age and social position of the person being talked to.

Anonymous Clay May 11, 2016 12:51 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:OT: This Bernout victory speech - he says Florider and Virginyer.

How do you get "er" and "yer" from the letter A?


I guess the same way JFK always used to pronounce "Cuba" as "Cuber".

Still drives me nuts.

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Blogger Markku May 11, 2016 2:52 PM  

Looks like Korean. Does Finnish have honorifics? Meaning the ultimate suffix changes depending on the age and social position of the person being talked to.

No, just using second person plural instead of second person singular as honorific, like Ye Olde English. (Thee=Familiar addressing, You=Formal addressing)

Blogger Salden May 11, 2016 3:52 PM  

Jon Norris Pitts wrote:Well, it seems that many of the people here think that Trump will act as a defender of white civilization.

In pondering Election Day, then, one is reminded of the person who finally makes a doctor’s appointment six months after discovering a mysterious lump. You either have cancer or you don’t. Visiting the doctor does not affect that one way or another. It simply tells you what you’re dealing with.

Similarly, this country has either lost itself down a rabbit hole of ignorance and lies, fear and fury, or it has not. Certainly, the symptoms have long been obvious. From faith-based foreign policy to cynical obstructionism to economic hostage-taking to birther nonsense, right up to Donald Trump’s neo-fascism, it has long been clear something was wrong with conservative Christian white poeople, that it had become a fundamentally unserious haven of cranks and kooks.

Make no mistake: Any country that would elect Donald Trump as president deserves Donald Trump as president. But the question is: Are we that country? Are we that far gone? Whether we are or are not, it’s past time we knew. So fine, let’s do this.

What’s coming in November is not an election. No, it’s a reckoning, long overdue.



So how many illegals do you support coming to America? Islam's a religion of peace right?

Anonymous Anonymous May 12, 2016 12:02 AM  

weird that finns can't look people in the eye. Get them out. OUT OUT OUT.

Blogger Akulkis May 12, 2016 3:56 PM  

@35
"There is a qualitative difference. Americans just make us uncomfortable because the norms of social interaction are at the extreme opposite ends. Especially for personal space and eye contact."

LOL.... you've never been around Arabs. An Arab thinks that if you can't positively identify his last 5 meals, with no free guesses, based solely on his breath alone while he's speaking to you, then his face still isn't close enough to yours.

Blogger Akulkis May 12, 2016 4:09 PM  

@56

"Wasn't it Muhammid Ali who said "Thank God my ancestors were on those boats" after returign from Africa?"

It was Thomas Sowell, and the experience in Africa is what changed him from a leftist to a conservative.

Blogger Akulkis May 12, 2016 4:52 PM  

@79

"No, they're leaving because the European nations have decided to replace their Jews with members of the Death Cult. "


Merkel is Jewish.

When she addressed the Isreali Knesset in Hebrew, she started out by saying how good it feels to be speaking her native language again.


As for France... Sarkozy is recorded on video saying, "The goal is for interracial reproduction. We have tried the easy way, now we will do it the hard way"

Blogger Akulkis May 13, 2016 12:24 PM  

Finland ... lOL

http://satwcomic.com/the-exorcism

Blogger Akulkis May 13, 2016 12:24 PM  

Finland ... lOL

http://satwcomic.com/the-exorcism

Blogger EscapeVelocity May 14, 2016 12:45 AM  

Jews are gonna be Jews.

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