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Monday, May 09, 2016

Democrats fear the Trumpening

And well they should:
Republicans are divided, the economy is improving, the demographics are increasingly in Democrats’ favor. The likeliest result of a Trump nomination is a Republican washout up and down the ballot.

I do get all that.

Still, when I hear smart people explaining why Trump cannot win, all I can think is: Aren’t you the ones who told us that he couldn’t top 30 percent, and then 40 percent, and then 50 percent in the Republican primaries? Weren’t you confident that he was finished after he called Mexicans rapists, and insulted prisoners of war, and dished out a menstruation insult?

Did you predict his nomination? If not, we don’t want to hear your certainty about his November defeat.

Nor is it reassuring to read how happy the Clinton camp must be to be facing such a weak opponent. They need to be running scared — smart, but scared — now and for the next six months.
Crooked Hillary Clinton is running scared of Dangerous Donald Trump. And it's not going to do her any good at all.

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Blogger dh May 09, 2016 11:07 AM  

I did not have a lot of faith in Trump's ability to win, because in the past, there hasn't been a lot of strategy from the GOP. Romney, for example, didn't have a strategy beyond get out the vote, do your best, etc.

Trump has not inspired me much because he seems to be bopping along state to state, crisis to crisis.

But, my opinion has changed somewhat because I heard GOP chairmen Preibus talk about the general election strategy, and they have one. It's hold the Romney states, and win PA, OH, FL, NH, 1 vote from ME, and compete very hard in VA. That's a strategy to win.

Blogger El Borak May 09, 2016 11:11 AM  

It's incredible how many people watched Trump systematically lay waste to the best the GOP had to offer and learned absolutely nothing from it.

Anonymous mature craig May 09, 2016 11:16 AM  

Yeah I'm optimistic

Anonymous Quartermaster May 09, 2016 11:16 AM  

@2
Trump wasn't exactly systematic. He's still roaming the political field and back pedaling.

I expect Trump to win the WH, but I seriously doubt it's going to be walk over as many Trump aficionados think.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 11:18 AM  

Trump wins and things stop spinning ever-faster to the Left, or what follows Trump will be a whole new ballgame, one the Leftist Clowns at WaPo can't even imagine.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 11:20 AM  

What I really want to see, however, is the Paul Ryan wing of Congress booted permanently out of Washington DC (including K Street.)

If the gangrene isn't surgically removed from the Body Politic, not one darn thing will change...until this left-spinning top flies apart in chaos. Then will we get the adventure of a lifetime. Ugh.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 09, 2016 11:23 AM  

It appears many Republicans also fear the Trumpening, if you believe all this 3rd Party talk.

Blogger Keyser Soze May 09, 2016 11:23 AM  

Hey Borak, you call Lying Ted, Amateur Carson, Bush, etc.,,, the best !
What a horrible field of supposed "conservatives". Not one of the failed candidates could I or would I vote for or trust to do anything "first for America"!
Oh we all have hopes that Trumpenator will do what he campaigned on, and if he accomplishes even 10% then he will have beaten all repubs back to Raygun.

Blogger Jourdan May 09, 2016 11:25 AM  

There are two different types of "Trump Can't Win" arguments being made.

The first, and by far the most common, is that Trump is for this or that reason a poor candidate and thus cannot win.

This is crap. Trump is a fantastic candidate, especially with the Jacksonian electorate, i.e. working to middle class European-American voters.

The second, much more rare, is that Trump cannot win due to demographic change.

This is, I believe, correct. There are simply too many blacks, latinos, jews, muslims and asians now for any Republican to be competitive at the national level.

It's Hillary and Huma's America now. We're just stuck living in it.

Anonymous The OASF May 09, 2016 11:26 AM  

"But, my opinion has changed somewhat because I heard GOP chairmen Preibus talk about the general election strategy, and they have one. It's hold the Romney states, and win PA, OH, FL, NH, 1 vote from ME, and compete very hard in VA. That's a strategy to win."

Color me highly skeptical. This WP article sums it up nicely. The GOPe Bohemian Club Sod party is finished, if demography is destiny.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-gops-electoral-map-problem-is-not-about-trump-its-about-demographics/2016/05/08/14cdf1fc-1523-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

I find it curious that the author didn't even bother to mention Texas, which actually has moved into swing-state territory.

Anyway, the great unknown is whether or not the Reagan Democrats and their posterity will come back into the fold because of Trump, and defy the clear electoral trends. The writers at VDARE have hammered this point home time and time again. I have to admit that I am anxious to see if they will be proven correct.

Blogger Dave May 09, 2016 11:27 AM  

the economy is improving

Is it now? This just in...Class 8 Truck Orders Plunge 39%—–Another Reliable Recession Indicator

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/class-8-truck-orders-plunge-39-another-reliable-recession-indicator/

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 11:33 AM  

> Republicans are divided,

For now. That won't last long.

> the economy is improving,

Good thing I had a drink for my throat after that laughing fit. They keep saying that, and it keeps not being true. Employment figures tanked last week.

> the demographics are increasingly in Democrats’ favor.

Well, one out of three. That's enough to keep them in the major leagues. They conveniently neglect to mention the rampant voter fraud, of course.

Blogger J Van Stry May 09, 2016 11:35 AM  

The Washington Post says the economy is improving?
For who?
The economy has been in the toilet for almost ten years now.

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 11:36 AM  

11. Dave May 09, 2016 11:27 AM
Is it now?



hush, you. you're supposed to be using the official government statistical projections. using actual facts is bourgeois and likely to get you sent to the re-education camp.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 09, 2016 11:40 AM  

Yeah, it's really annoying how all the pundits bleat "but mah economy is doing so well" and cite the phony unemployment rate of 5% as if it's actually accurate.

The other week, the rising suicide rate was in the news. In one of the articles, they noted how the suicide rate tracked the unemployment rate, but then concluded that unemployment is not a good indicator of suicide because it's only 5% right now.

Morons.

Blogger Dave May 09, 2016 11:42 AM  

likely to get you sent to the re-education camp

My bad. Good thing they don't read this blog.

Anonymous FriarBob May 09, 2016 11:42 AM  

I laugh at the people who think he can't win. Mind you, he might not. Fraud is always a threat. Collapse is possible, if EXCEEDINGLY unlikely.

But if he does simply 4% better than Romney did with whites and NOT ONE extra white person votes he still probably wins. (And that's assuming he doesn't get a single extra black or latino vote, which is also very unlikely.)

Do you think that in a year Retardican *primary* turnout is up 10 million and Democrat turnout is down six that NOT ONE more person will vote? If so, you're an idiot.

Anonymous mature craig May 09, 2016 11:43 AM  

It would be nice to have that Marc Levine guy on the Trump train. He could help out with legal mumbo jumbo

Blogger RobertT May 09, 2016 11:44 AM  

The grim reaper is coming ...

Blogger Jim May 09, 2016 11:47 AM  

If Trump does win the WH, how many GOP repubs would go along with his policies or initiatives? Or will he have to resort to Obama's executive orders chicanery to get anything done? That seems a band-aid at best, and won't begin to solve the basic problems we're facing.

Blogger LES May 09, 2016 11:49 AM  

It seems to me the establishment media believes it is their right to choose the winner. I suspect the GOPe and the media will attempt to beat the crap out of Trump and teach the hoi polloi to never try this again.

Blogger Nick S May 09, 2016 11:49 AM  

I have zero loyalties to the Republican party. In the forty years or so I've been voting, I have never held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils for the sake of the GOP and I'm not about to start now. If somebody emerges that reflects my values better than any in the current crop they will get my vote regardless of whether or not I think they can win. Otherwise, I'll simply leave all the presidential candidate's boxes unchecked and get my popcorn and libations ready to watch the slow burn.

Anonymous immature craig May 09, 2016 11:49 AM  

Mark Levine is an idiot. Trump has all the legal mumbo jumbo professionals he needs.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 09, 2016 11:50 AM  

This is the Rousey fight, part deux.

Anonymous Gecko May 09, 2016 11:52 AM  

If the GoP actually supports their nominee, sure, he should win. However, I wonder how much they will sabotage him, and how effective it will be.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 09, 2016 11:56 AM  

All the yammering about the “Hispanic” vote is ignorant. There is no “Hispanic” vote. There are Puerto Ricans who will vote D no matter what, there are Cubans who are divided along generation al lines with the older ones sold R and the younger ones trending D, and there are Mexicans.

Mexicans like winners. See how Vincente Fox has already backtracked regarding Trump after Indiana? More of that is likely. Mexicans can be fatalistic, if it appears that Trump is winning than others will just shrug and not bother to vote.

The wild card is nice whites. Upper midwest nice whites to be specific. Wisconsin, Iowa, the Dakotas, Ohio - between the rural “muh illegal workers” and the aging unionoids, there’s a weak spot. More whites like the men who challenged Cruz are what is needed.

GOPe will fret “Oh, noes, we’s turning into the white party!” but a white party is going to happen anyway. If not GOP then something new. That’s the inevitable result of tribalizing US politics.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados May 09, 2016 11:57 AM  

@20 Jim

Right now Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is facing a serious primary challenger in his home district in the form of Paul Nehlen. And right now his poll numbers are looking good for walloping Paul Ryan. And this isn't limited to him. Boehner's replacement Cantor lost to a Tea Party candidate in the form of Dave Brat. John McCain is facing a primary challenge in his home turf. Matt Bevin lost to McConnell but is now governor of Kentucky.

Trump is the tip of the spear, but it's becoming more clear that there's a whole lot more of us behind the shaft piercing deep into the breast of the GOPe establishment both in DC and at the state level. It's not going to be overnight, but we are seeing a culling of the rank and file GOPe. And they are ultimately powerless to stop it, hence why they are whining and crying across the board in the news. The smart ones are trying to bargain with Trump/us to mitigate how badly we demolish them, the stupid ones are going to go down with the ship, and really bad ones are going to be fleeing for the hills once the Trump Administration starts coming after them for their crimes.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 09, 2016 11:58 AM  

All the yammering about the “Hispanic” vote is ignorant. There is no “Hispanic” vote. There are Puerto Ricans who will vote D no matter what, there are Cubans who are divided along generation al lines with the older ones sold R and the younger ones trending D, and there are Mexicans.

Mexicans like winners. See how Vincente Fox has already backtracked regarding Trump after Indiana? More of that is likely. Mexicans can be fatalistic, if it appears that Trump is winning than others will just shrug and not bother to vote.

The wild card is nice whites. Upper midwest nice whites to be specific. Wisconsin, Iowa, the Dakotas, Ohio - between the rural “muh illegal workers” and the aging unionoids, there’s a weak spot. More whites like the men who challenged Cruz are what is needed.

GOPe will fret “Oh, noes, we’s turning into the white party!” but a white party is going to happen anyway. If not GOP then something new. That’s the inevitable result of tribalizing US politics.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 09, 2016 11:59 AM  

Pennsylvania will be the key. In particular, the blue-collar private sector union voters. For the last 20 years, the election has been determined by PA, FL, and OH. I think Trump has a really good chance in PA...and if he wins it, he wins everything.

Anonymous BluePony May 09, 2016 12:00 PM  

Clinton's operatives are trying the "even the GOP doesn't like him" angle, thus inadvertently allying the Clinton camp with the GOP in people's minds.

I just placed an order for a dozen of those flavored popcorn barrels, but I don't think it's enough.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados May 09, 2016 12:00 PM  

@25

Trump has a huge well of support from across all political spectra, but especially from the huge pool of citizens who don't vote, which is a group that no other candidate can tap into. The GOPe could try to sabotage Trump, but we represent such a huge and overwhelming majority that we can overwhelm any kind of underhanded shit they would use to try and shut out or screw over Trump.

Besides, their corruption has been on full display to us because of Trump, and after what happened in Colorado, I think the establishment realizes that fucking with us at this point will akin to signing their own death warrants.

Anonymous Unbiased Conservative (Rubio voter) May 09, 2016 12:00 PM  

1. Trump IS a Democrat. He is a liberal. He will always be a liberal. If he wins (and he won't) he will remain a NYC liberal.

2. Trump will govern the same as Hillary -- or perhaps even worse if Trump panders to racists and anti-semites.

3. The liberal MSM media are all PRO-TRUMP... they wanted Trump to win the nomination because everyone knows that Trump will be destroyed by Hillary in the general election. Trump is the Washington Generals and Hillary is the Harlem Globetrotters. GOOD WORK TRUMPKIN SCUM.

4. I would rather vote for Hillary because she is at least consistent and honest about her positions (and her positions on foreign policy and trade are pretty centrist/libertarian.)

Blogger pyrrhus May 09, 2016 12:01 PM  

"the economy is improving..." As Bubba would say, that's a good one!

Anonymous BluePony May 09, 2016 12:04 PM  

"GOPe will fret “Oh, noes, we’s turning into the white party!”

They already are. They just refuse to accept it. So they wind up alienating everyone except the lickspittles who hang out on NR Online whining that Trump isn't a Real Conservative.

Blogger pyrrhus May 09, 2016 12:04 PM  

@31 Well, if you are a Rubio voter, you are already fine with mass immigration and the destruction of the USA, so Hillary is right up your alley.

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 12:05 PM  

> 2. Trump will govern the same as Hillary -- or perhaps even worse if Trump panders to racists and anti-semites.

Please. Trump is halfway competent. The only thing Hillary has ever been any good at is arranging mysterious deaths.

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 09, 2016 12:05 PM  

I'll confess I'm not especially a fan of Donald Trump, but I've been thinking this for a few weeks now. I've heard people on the conservative side say this is certain to be a disaster for Donald Trump, and I keep coming back to, "Yes, but you also confidently said there's no way he would even come close to the nomination."

I don't know if he's going to win, but I am highly skeptical of these confident predictions that he is going to lose.

Blogger Giraffe May 09, 2016 12:06 PM  

All Trump has to do is destroy Hillary. How hard could that be?

Blogger pyrrhus May 09, 2016 12:07 PM  

@27 Totally right, there is no "hispanic" vote. One reason Cruz did poorly in AZ was that people knew he was Cuban, and Cubans are disliked by most Spanish and Mexicans.

Blogger Nate May 09, 2016 12:07 PM  

The Dem talking heads have consistently said Trump is one the would least like to run against.

They believe they have the playbook to beat a guy like Cruz. They have no idea what to do to beat Trump because they've never faced a race with someone like him.

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 12:08 PM  

Well Giraffe she is a mythological beast that can reproduce heads u_U lots of heads. It is a tough job for the Trump.

Blogger pyrrhus May 09, 2016 12:10 PM  

@20 Yes, Trump could accomplish more than any Republican President since Coolidge by simply signing an order REVOKING virtually all previous executive orders, especially those by Clinton, Bush and Obama. Aint it sweet!

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 12:11 PM  

31. Unbiased Conservative (Rubio voter)
4. I would rather vote for Hillary



trolling? gotta be. to actually be this stupid, your IQ would have to be <60.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 09, 2016 12:14 PM  

@27. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 09, 2016 11:58 AM

"... There are Puerto Ricans who will vote D no matter what ..."

It depends which ones you are talking about. The P'ricans n Puerto Rico cannot vote in the national election.

The professionals that live around Orlando, Fl, are most likely Republicans. The engineers transferred in the 70's to Georgia and Texas are more Republican. Other groups are from an earlier 40's to 50s migrations to New York and Chicago, it is their children that are mislabeled puertoricans, yes, they are definitely in the Democrat camp.

Blogger dh May 09, 2016 12:16 PM  

> I find it curious that the author didn't even bother to mention Texas, which actually has moved into swing-state territory.

Texas is not a swing state for 2016, but it could be for 2020, and will be almost certainly for 2020, if trends continue.

You cannot count absolute numbers, you have to apply a filter for likely voters. A few states get an extra cycle or two as solid Republican because the percentage of white people who votes is much higher than their minority counterparts. This holds true for Texas.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 09, 2016 12:17 PM  

There are simply too many blacks, latinos, jews, muslims and asians now for any Republican to be competitive at the national level.

You're wrong about that Jourdan. Not necessarily this year, though maybe, but the linear thinking that's leading you astray is thinking that white voters will not change their behavior as various minority groups engage in group bloc voting.

The more successful racial bloc voting is, the more visible damage there is to our civilization, the less prosperity we have, and the more integration/interactions we have between races. The more of those things we have, the less tolerance for other races, and the less stigma to voting for The White Party.

Trump has a lot of flaws, but in one respect he is perfect for that scenario - his general dismissal of political correctness. The positive message in his nomination is the right-wing voters at least are willing to flip the bird to PC. If that message catches on with left-wing whites, it's a game changer. That message will catch on, sooner or later. 2016 or 2020 or 2024, it's going to happen precisely because of the trends you mention.

Because "groupist for thee, but not for me" isn't a stable society, especially when the people getting screwed are the most powerful and have the most weapons.

Blogger dh May 09, 2016 12:18 PM  

> The professionals that live around Orlando, Fl, are most likely Republicans. The engineers transferred in the 70's to Georgia and Texas are more Republican. Other groups are from an earlier 40's to 50s migrations to New York and Chicago, it is their children that are mislabeled puertoricans, yes, they are definitely in the Democrat camp.

Puetro Rico is in the middle of dumping out into Osceola, Polk, Orange and Brevard county.

Take a look here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/us/central-florida-emerges-as-mainland-magnet-for-puerto-ricans.html?_r=0

400k new PR voters since the last election. Concerning.

Anonymous LastRedoubt May 09, 2016 12:20 PM  

FWIW - http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/horowitz-never-trump-pouters

Horowitz excoriates the "nevertrump" crowd.

"Will Trump live up to the conservative promises he has made? Will he build the wall, and defend this country, and give his best effort to putting America’s interests first and making America great again? If you believe that Donald Trump takes the Trump name seriously, and wants to create a monument to his family and himself, it’s a good bet he will try to do just that. And Hillary won’t. She’ll do the opposite. And that is as much certainty about political outcomes as anyone in this life can expect."

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 12:22 PM  

4/3/16 This time it really is the end of Trump - really

The most delicious irony is the establishment created the two-party lock-in.

Reminds me of a line from Watchmen:"You think it is that I'm locked in with you - but you're locked in with me!"

The LP will see how well open borders works with stampeding RINOs wanting in.

Blogger Hobgoblin1975 May 09, 2016 12:22 PM  

1. The economy is improving? Not by any relevant measure, grocery store prices seem to indicate its worsening.

2. Hillary is well known to be corrupt. The moderates aren't going to turn out for her . Or against trump because being moderates , they don't hate him like the leftist and elites.

3. Barring major misteps and if he can keep the energy going, people, being what they are, trend followers, will jump on the trump train.

4. Hoping the Democrat party continues to screw sanders. In reality he is a wicked old commie serpent, but he's got folks fooled into thinking he just a harmless old kind grand dad trying to slip the grand kids some candy. And he is electable. So lets hope the DNC manages to do to him what the GOP failed to do to the Donald. It looks like he is out already, I sure hope so.

Demographics will push the United states full socialst eventually, maybe even soon, but for now its balanced enough to win some

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 12:23 PM  

iSteve has an excellent article up about Negro in-group preferencing killing the Wash DC Metro system:
http://www.unz.com/isteve/washington-subway-falling-apart-due-to-anti-white-discrimination/
"Ninety-seven percent of the bus and train operators at the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority are black, with only six white women out of more than 3,000 drivers
...
In typical examples, court and Metro records show, a black man who spent eight years in prison for dealing PCP was promoted to a high-level management position soon after his release, and whites in the same positions as blacks with far less seniority are inexplicably paid less."

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 12:25 PM  

i love that "inexplicably".

cause, ya know, Black people can't be racist.

Blogger CarpeOro May 09, 2016 12:34 PM  

Linked article is bound to close comments soon. Went from over 800 to over 1000 while I read it. Comments aren't going the way the writer would have liked I imagine. One pointed out Hillary saying she wasn't destroying their jobs to a WV miner when he pointed out that she had already said as president she would shut down all the mines...

Blogger lowercaseb May 09, 2016 12:35 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:31. Unbiased Conservative (Rubio voter)

4. I would rather vote for Hillary


trolling? gotta be. to actually be this stupid, your IQ would have to be <60.


Oh no, not at all. His IQ is at least 160...

...and he is a Sigma as well.

Don't worry Rubio voter. Trump isn't that much of a social conservative, so you will still have access to your foam parties.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 09, 2016 12:36 PM  

@44 I am fairly certain Texas is going to be in play in 2020. The problem is not just the southern invasion. White Californians who realized their state is wrecked are moving to Urban Texas.

While they may have been observant enough to realize their home state was wrecked they did not learn any lessons from it so they will ruin Texas as well.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 09, 2016 12:42 PM  

Please tell me that you're a parody of the NeverTrump folks.

Blogger Josh May 09, 2016 12:43 PM  

Will Trump live up to the conservative promises he has made? Will he build the wall, and defend this country, and give his best effort to putting America’s interests first and making America great again?

No and no

Blogger Salt May 09, 2016 12:45 PM  

Trump understands the one thing... Americans are pissed off. He's using that, and the establishment knows if that gets fully unleashed it's curtains for them.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 09, 2016 12:46 PM  

"Will Trump live up to the conservative promises he has made? Will he build the wall, and defend this country, and give his best effort to putting America’s interests first and making America great again?"

Yes and yes.

He has no reason not to.

Blogger Student in Blue May 09, 2016 12:46 PM  

Thank you, Oracle Josh. Your precognitions were both direly needed and detailed.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 09, 2016 12:48 PM  

FWIW, whoever is this Azealia Banks, in Drudge Report:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/azealia-banks-endorses-donald-trump-891709

Blogger Rusty Fife May 09, 2016 12:48 PM  

Jim wrote:If Trump does win the WH, how many GOP repubs would go along with his policies or initiatives? Or will he have to resort to Obama's executive orders chicanery to get anything done? That seems a band-aid at best, and won't begin to solve the basic problems we're facing.

If Trump wins, he takes the RNC from Ryan: all the money, all the committee positions, all the access. His people populate the levers, it is a freaking coup.

Yeah, they'll fall in line because Trump has already demonstrated he is a vicious bastard who doesn't care for people who get in his way.

The only hope is that he is an American basted and not NWO.

Anonymous krymneth May 09, 2016 12:50 PM  

On Trump being liberal: 10-15 years ago, I took an online ideology test for fun. I scored modestly libertarian; not doctrinaire, there was another 50% of the graph in the libertarian direction. At the end of the test, the results we plotted on a 2D graph, populated by various celebrities, historical and current. I landed on Donald Trump's chin.

Apparently he was well-known as a modest libertarian at that point.

If even half-true, that may explain the difficulty people are having categorizing him. Establishment politics doesn't have cognitive categories for libertarians; the establishment consensus is that more government is needed, the only debate is who gets the levers and who gets to appear in a Chuck Tingle book title ending with "Pounded In The Butt By My Government". Depending on how you squint a libertarian can look like a conservative, a liberal, or a moderate, and of course there aren't really any other establishment categories. (Get in your box!)

I don't think Trump is a liberal. I think if you look for reasons to think he's liberal, you can find some, but the same is true of his conservatism. The most likely explanation is that he doesn't fit into either establishment category.

And doesn't that just sound like Trump... someone repeatedly failing to fit into the pre-existing establishment categories?

I say this all by way of explanation, not advocacy or defense (this time). I'm looking back here, not at today or going forward. I don't claim this is necessarily what he is today or what he would govern as. Just observing that "He's a liberal!" can be as easily proved as disproved, by which I mean, yes, both are totally doable, but it's probably a matter of both categorizations being wrong rather than either being correct.

Blogger clk May 09, 2016 12:50 PM  

"1. Trump IS a Democrat. He is a liberal. He will always be a liberal. If he wins (and he won't) he will remain a NYC liberal."

Trump is a New England republican ... that means he is to the left politically of a Texas democrat.

"2. Trump will govern the same as Hillary -- or perhaps even worse if Trump panders to racists and anti-semites."

If you are looking for a politician then Hillary will be much better. She knows how things work, she is very experienced and will surround herself with qualified, but leftist people. People looking at Trump are not looking for a politician...

"3. The liberal MSM media are all PRO-TRUMP... they wanted Trump to win the nomination because everyone knows that Trump will be destroyed by Hillary in the general election. Trump is the Washington Generals and Hillary is the Harlem Globetrotters. GOOD WORK TRUMPKIN SCUM."

Conventional wisdom yes...how has conventional wisdom works so far this cycle...

"4. I would rather vote for Hillary because she is at least consistent and honest about her positions (and her positions on foreign policy and trade are pretty centrist/libertarian.)"

That's probably true as well - if we are seeking middle of the road policies then she will be a good president .. she is a politician and will, like her husband, reach across the aisle and see what sort of deal she can make. The thing is Trump supporters have had enough of two parties in name, one in action... they are looking for something different. Trump is something different.

This is going to be such a great political season... and we have front row sets... for either what might be the beginning or the end....

Blogger lowercaseb May 09, 2016 12:51 PM  

Derrick Bonsell wrote:Please tell me that you're a parody of the NeverTrump folks.

Nah...it's more like those ponds that they stock with fish that your Dad will take you to when he is teaching you to fish.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 09, 2016 12:53 PM  

@46. dh May 09, 2016 12:18 PM

The early migration, 1980s, to the Orlando area was away from Miami.

Most of the professionals will most likely be Republicans but, yes, these most recent groups will be mostly Democrats.

There goes central Florida.

Blogger YIH May 09, 2016 12:53 PM  

I've believed for a while that Trump is the only person the GOP could nominate that actually will put up a fight against the Lizard Queen.
We all saw this twice before, didn't we? First McCrazy took a dive vs. 0bama then Mittens did the same. They wouldn't take the fight to 0vomit because they were afraid of that scary word ''racist''.
Anyone else, perhaps with the exception of Ms. ED (the butcher of Lucent, Compaq, and Hewlett-Packard) who didn't even make it to New Hampshire, would fold like a cheap suit to Hillary because she and the jewsmedia would shriek ''sexist!''.
God Emperor is ZFG, he'll get in Hillary's face.
Which is why he could well beat her. No guarantees of course, already demographics no longer favor any GOP candidate, for example, FL used to be a solid 'red state', it's now (at best) 'purple' - slightly tilted 'blue'. Several other states are like that as well.
Don't look to me to pick the Super Bowl winner here - not doing it.

Blogger clk May 09, 2016 12:54 PM  

"Trump understands the one thing... Americans are pissed off. He's using that, and the establishment knows if that gets fully unleashed it's curtains for them"

Its far better to be pissed off than pissed on ... the American people have been both.

Anonymous DE-173/Code 19/Vox Nox May 09, 2016 12:54 PM  

Where is the economy "improving"? The jobs report from last week (+160K, not enough to keep up with population growth was a unmitigated disaster, and that doesn't even begin to address the issues one finds upon close inspection of the composition of the report.

Anonymous Mail-in Voter May 09, 2016 12:54 PM  

So it my state's upcoming presidential primary, should I check the [D] box and vote for Bernie to spike the Hillbeast's guns, or check the [R] box and select the candidate of my actual choice?
What's the best tactical call here? I don't feel the need to virtue signal; I just want best results.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 09, 2016 1:00 PM  

Florida's political coloring problems is also due to the ungodly number of north-easterners moving there.

Anonymous Case May 09, 2016 1:04 PM  

Trump is merely the voice of a movement that's been growing for a while. It will continue to exist and grow stronger whether he is elected or not.

Blogger lowercaseb May 09, 2016 1:06 PM  

Mail-in Voter wrote:What's the best tactical call here? I don't feel the need to virtue signal; I just want best results.

That's rough. I'm in California...I could probably make a difference by voting for the Bern in the primary. It's going to be an ugly fight between the two of them here, even if Bern has no chance at the nomination.

However, I live in SF. I have an unnatural need to be part of that group that is voting for Trump here...partially because I am not going to give them an excuse to cry about cross party voters, but mostly to make their brains explode with outrage at the fact that someone who lives here could voluntarily vote for him.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 09, 2016 1:09 PM  

@46. dh May 09, 2016 12:18 PM

I read the NY Times article.

Unlike Mr. Hernandez, there was no "Families in Transition" for me and my wife. Not that I would have sought it if there was one. Maybe Mr. Hernandez should have been more fiscally responsible with his personal finances and been more prudent in his vacation expenditures.

We lived with my Dad's cousin until our car got to Texas, then we moved to a month-to-moth apartment that was a "roach motel" a block away from flea market.

My wife happens to have a Masters in Applied Linguistics To Teach English As A Second Language. Other than Hernandez being a Spanish speaker, what does he bring to the table that others do not bring? Full immersion is best for learning another language.

Blogger YIH May 09, 2016 1:10 PM  

dh:
Puetro Rico is in the middle of dumping out into Osceola, Polk, Orange and Brevard county.
Osceola (How can you tell if someone's unfamiliar with the area? Listen to how they pronounce that word - Ah-see-oh-la, NOT Oh-see-oh-la) is definitely majority Puetro Rican, mostly NYC transplants. Polk is starting to go that way as well, mostly spillover from Osceola. Brevard is mainly KSC and retirees, but the effects of imminvasion (head scarfs and halal butcher shops) are making they're presence known there.
Orange County exploded from Disney, bringing people from all over the country, mostly White, mostly 'rust belt'.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 09, 2016 1:10 PM  

he he he. month-to-month, that is.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 May 09, 2016 1:11 PM  

In this corner of Western PA, a poll worker friend said the most common question at the primary was from Democrats wondering how they could vote for Trump.

Anonymous Philalethes May 09, 2016 1:11 PM  

@60.  JaimeInTexas

FWIW, whoever is this Azealia Banks, in Drudge Report:



http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/azealia-banks-endorses-donald-trump-891709

A friend just sent me that; I loved it. You go grrrl!

Growing up in an affluent White city in Southern California (my family was not among the affluent, but had been there since the 1920s) (I can remember only one Black schoolmate, in high school, the daughter of some kind of intellectual or scientist whose facial features were white with black skin), even though I've lived here and there around the country, I've never had much contact with Black folks, nor have I ever felt the romantic attraction to their culture that some Whites (particularly women) seem to feel.

Most of what I know about Black culture actually comes from reading Walter Mosley's excellent Easy Rawlins mysteries, which portray American Black culture before the 1960s, both negatives and positives (like the slowly growing Black middle class that was largely destroyed by the "War on Poverty").

So one unexpected but welcome side-effect of the Trumpening for me has been seeing a bunch of spirited Black folks who Get It: Diamond & Silk, Brandon Tatum (the police officer who attended the rally in Tucson and YouTubed about it), Ben Carson (who seems like a decent sort if not Presidential material – in stark contrast to the sleaze evident everywhere else among Trump's opponents) – now this girl. Check out her Twitter page; she really gets it: https://twitter.com/AZEALIABANKS

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 09, 2016 1:11 PM  

I lost it at the idea her foreign policy would be more centrist/libertarian than Trump's, despite all the evidence we have to the contrary.

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 1:13 PM  

As a non native english speaking person, I agree 100% that full immersion is the best way to learn a new language. Saw many cases where that is true and no case that is not true. English courses use to give you a trip for a foreign country for a year so you would learn the language!

Blogger El Borak May 09, 2016 1:21 PM  

Trump wasn't exactly systematic. He's still roaming the political field and back pedaling.

He was quite systematic:
1) Isolate one candidate, usually the frontrunner (Carson, then Bush, then Marco, then Ted)
2) Brand that candidate
3) Drive that candidate from the race via attack / mockery.

The reason he's still 'roaming the political field' and Jeb Bush is not is because the system worked.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 09, 2016 1:21 PM  

Trump is merely the voice of a movement that's been growing for a while. It will continue to exist and grow stronger whether he is elected or not.


Bears repeating:

The TEA Party and Rand Paul? That was option A.
GOPe co-opted / killed that option.

Trump? He’s option B.

Anyone who is scared of him enough to play rule games in Cincinnati better think twice.

Because option C won’t be a kinder, gentler option.

Anonymous Cheddarman May 09, 2016 1:21 PM  

He wants to get pounded in the butt at a space raptor foam party

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 09, 2016 1:22 PM  

Trump is merely the voice of a movement that's been growing for a while. It will continue to exist and grow stronger whether he is elected or not.


Bears repeating:

The TEA Party and Rand Paul? That was option A.
GOPe co-opted / killed that option.

Trump? He’s option B.

Anyone who is scared of him enough to play rule games in Cincinnati better think twice.

Because option C won’t be a kinder, gentler option.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 09, 2016 1:24 PM  

Trump is merely the voice of a movement that's been growing for a while. It will continue to exist and grow stronger whether he is elected or not.


Bears repeating:

The TEA Party and Rand Paul? That was option A.
GOPe co-opted / killed that option.

Trump? He’s option B.

Anyone who is scared of him enough to play rule games in Cincinnati better think twice.

Because option C won’t be a kinder, gentler option.

Blogger El Borak May 09, 2016 1:29 PM  

Keyser: Hey Borak, you call Lying Ted, Amateur Carson, Bush, etc.,,, the best !

tbh, I said it was the best the GOP had to offer, not 'the best'. But that this field was the strongest in a generation was a belief widely held 12 months ago.

Just think about what you had:
Current or former governors of Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Virginia, New York, Arkansas, New Jersey, Ohio
Senators from Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, South Carolina,
Plus a couple muppets.

The frontrunner was a 2-term governor of the third most populous state, son and brother of former presidents, who had $100m+ at his disposal.

Granted, Trump did not beat them all - some like Pataki and Jindal just never got off the ground. But when your field includes popular and multi-term executives from 9 states with great name recognition and a whole bunch a money, it takes a pretty unique reality TV star to mow that field to stubble.

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 1:33 PM  

64. lowercaseb May 09, 2016 12:51 PM
Nah...it's more like those ponds that they stock with fish that your Dad will take you to when he is teaching you to fish.


teaching you to fish with dynamite.

see, you never tie more than a 1/4 stick to the hook when using a fly rod.


69. Mail-in Voter May 09, 2016 12:54 PM
What's the best tactical call here? I don't feel the need to virtue signal; I just want best results.



Republican primary is sewn up, there's no stopping ( he has a ceiling of 25% percent! ) him now. therefore, there is no strategic point in voting in further Repuke primaries.

the more you can monkey wrench Hillary though, that extends the amount of time AND MONEY that she has to expend in the Demoncrat primary process.

once that money is spent, she can't then spend it in the general election against Trump. she has to recruit new contributions.

so if your state has open primaries, i would recommend that Trump supporters consider voting Bernie.

there is, after all, no constraint for you to vote for the same party in the general that you voted for in the primary.

Blogger Lazarus May 09, 2016 1:34 PM  

Blacks onside


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/rapper-azealia-banks-endorses-trump-says-hillary-talks-black-people-like-pets/

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 09, 2016 1:41 PM  

@80. Eduardo May 09, 2016 1:13 PM

We spent our honeymoon year in Puerto Rico. My wife learned a ton of Spanish in that short amount of time.

Blogger Rusty Fife May 09, 2016 1:41 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:he he he. month-to-month, that is.

With the flea market next door, I was thinking some sort of bug in your plans.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 09, 2016 1:44 PM  

Did any of you see this manhandling Trump gives Cuomo in this interview?

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/05/09/watch-cnns-cuomo-goes-after-trump-for-hillary-attacks-in-heated-interview/

Anonymous Chris May 09, 2016 1:45 PM  

"Thank you, Oracle Josh. Your precognitions were both direly needed and detailed."

Josh the Cruzlim is just mad his hero lying Ted the rat fink didn't get in.

Blogger Nick S May 09, 2016 1:48 PM  

Anyone who is scared of him enough to play rule games in Cincinnati better think twice.

There will be no rules shenanigans. The GOPe is already scrambling for sweet seats on the First Class Car of the Trump Train.

OpenID aew51183 May 09, 2016 2:00 PM  

Regarding concern about Puerto-Ricans in this election, some notes:

CNN vote counts show 2 republicans turned out for every democrat in the republican primary.

Keep in mind the state's tax structure also tends to suck in retirees from the entire eastern seaboard as a matter of course, and it looks like a lot of the people who retired to FL over the past 8 years are very pissed at Obama.

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 2:01 PM  

JaimeInTexas

Had a friend when I was learning English that was married to a executive that kept travelling alll over the place. She was in Mexico last time we Talked some 10 years ago. She lived in China and knew chinese. She was to me living prove that living in a foreigner country and wanting to learn their language is a great mix.

Anonymous mature craig May 09, 2016 2:09 PM  

To Voxs opening it's clear that the American voters want someone who's going to get things done

Blogger YIH May 09, 2016 2:11 PM  

The Republican National Convention - sponsored by faceberg.
No, seriously.

Blogger CM May 09, 2016 2:13 PM  

I didn't even realize Jindal was IN!

It frustrates me that Jindal, Walker, and Paul were not more successful. They have histories of not playing it safe with the media and sticking fingers in the eyes of the PC Brigade. But when it came to a national election, they all shut up.

And then there's Trump. I have my reasons for liking him. His published policies are sound (flip flopper? Aren't they all?) but the biggest factor was he won while saying things the PE swore up, down, left and right would destroy political careers. And look who's careers are ruined.

We gave them the chance and they turned it down.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 09, 2016 2:15 PM  

Being known as the "White Party" isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most minorities hate other minorities more than they do Whites. Hispanics and Asians would much rather align with Whites than Blacks. And most Blacks would probably rather align with Whites over Hispanics and Asians who hate them.

And if the Repubs play up the "White Party" thing, the Democrats would likely collapse under the strain of trying to hold together all the minorities under one tent.

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 2:20 PM  

> Josh the Cruzlim...

How many times does it have to be noted that Josh is a Paulite?

Blogger CM May 09, 2016 2:23 PM  

How many times does it have to be noted that Josh is a Paulite?

Paulites are used to crushings...

*Paul was my first choice...

Blogger Timmy3 May 09, 2016 2:30 PM  

Just read Trump will negotiate with the Democrats on his tax policy. This suggestion two things. Trump will not hammer the Democrats once in office. Trump expects Republicans to lose their majority or to triangulate with Democrats to win as a moderate like a New York Republican.

Anonymous Chris May 09, 2016 2:31 PM  

"How many times does it have to be noted that Josh is a Paulite?"

Ok sure a "Paulite" that defended and praised Cruz and attacked Trump every chance he got.

Anonymous JAG May 09, 2016 2:38 PM  

"Unbiased Conservative"

- Give it up. You change user names, but your bullshit remains the same. The tells are so obvious that you are a liberal liar trying to play stupid games here that have exactly zero chance of convincing anyone.

Liberals cannot pretend to be conservatives or anything other than a liberal because you simply do not understand how other people think. You resort to your narrative of what you have been told conservatives think and that is the dead give away. It comes across as parody.

The other tells are of course the accusations of racism and claims of voting for Hillary which 0% of true conservatives would ever do. At least this time you didn't use a Hitler comparison like before.

Go back and tell your masters what you have been learning here because I actually want a challenge in sniffing out imposters. It has always been far too easy to recognize you idiots through your pathetic disguises.

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The Compost claims the economy is fine, just like the train.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis May 09, 2016 2:47 PM  

@31

Tell me unbiased conservative how much do hillshills such as yourself go for these days?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis May 09, 2016 2:51 PM  

she is a politician and will, like her husband, reach across the aisle and see what sort of deal she can make

Yeah...she reaches across the isle when she is trying to collect the severed ears she made a deal with the GOPe for.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis May 09, 2016 2:52 PM  

she is a politician and will, like her husband, reach across the aisle and see what sort of deal she can make

Yeah...she reaches across the isle when she is trying to collect the severed ears she made a deal with the GOPe for.

Anonymous BGKB May 09, 2016 2:53 PM  

One more thing for Trump to smack HilLIARy with her charity is a fraud. http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2016/05/06/wall-street-analyst-who-warned-on-ge-ahead-of-crash-calls-clinton-foundation-charity-fraud/

is the Paul Ryan wing of Congress booted permanently out of Washington DC (including K Street.)

Maybe Trump will use eminent domain to put up a golf course there.

It frustrates me that Jindal, Walker, and Paul were not more successful. They have histories of not playing it safe

Paul was giving free cataract surgeries in Haiti when he should have been campaigning.

Being known as the "White Party" isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The blacks voting for TRUMP are the ones that know leftists favor Hispanics over them. They know liberals did nothing as Hispanics ethnically cleanses Compton/Harlem. If the republicans are the white party everyone will want to move into the neighborhood.

Anonymous krymneth May 09, 2016 2:54 PM  

Agree that shenanigans in the Republican convention seem increasingly unlikely. If the GOPe was planning on throwing a fit, I don't see how it advantages them to have so many core members already defecting. And I don't think "portions" of the GOPe throwing a fit will be much more than a speedbump; no unity, no fit.

Was GOPe going to be principled in its lack of principles?

At this point I'd say it's more likely that the Democrats will have an "interesting" convention than the Republicans. The Republicans have had their fight. It was a huge fight, but it's over now. The Democrats still haven't had their fight. Play out the game theory; there's little advantage to a pledged delegate switching to Bernie right this second. Safer to just lay low and stay out of the news, watch the polls, keep fingers in the wind. But as the convention rolls closer, and it becomes more clear that Clinton is just a bad candidate.... gotta be a lot of very weak, knocking knees in those superdelegates. A preference cascade is not out of the question. If Bernie were a better candidate himself with otherwise the same vote numbers, I might even start predicting it, but Bernie's not good enough either for that. Also wouldn't be surprised there's a contested convention. Trump's saying it for political reasons, but he's still right: Hillary is not sealing the deal.

Anonymous Protip May 09, 2016 2:54 PM  

"Unbiased Conservative" is Timmy3

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 09, 2016 3:01 PM  

Unbiased Conservative probably just wants to Set The Record Straight. Because he’s paid by David Brock to do just that.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-snap-htmlstory.html

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 09, 2016 3:02 PM  

Unbiased Conservative probably just wants to Set The Record Straight. Because he’s paid by David Brock to do just that.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-snap-htmlstory.html

Anonymous Andrew E. May 09, 2016 3:06 PM  

It frustrates me that Jindal, Walker, and Paul were not more successful. They have histories of not playing it safe with the media and sticking fingers in the eyes of the PC Brigade. But when it came to a national election, they all shut up.

We all may have had ideas in our heads about what or who it looks like to have someone fight back against the media for once, but seeing Trump in this cycle should make it clear to all that whatever we may have envisioned was actually miles away from what it actually looks like.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 09, 2016 3:09 PM  

Jindal is the same as Tundra Ted and Lil Narco - and that is not Natural Born Citizens.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 09, 2016 3:11 PM  

Timmy punching the clock again. The contract with Hillery must have come tbrough. Congrats man.

Blogger John Wright May 09, 2016 3:15 PM  

"The liberal MSM media are all PRO-TRUMP."

None are so blind as those who will not see.

The media are the ones who invented the meme that Trump is an authoritarian. They are the ones who invented the meme that he will order soldiers to commit war crimes -- something he himself never said nor implied. The media invented the meme that he favors socialized medicine or a single-payer health plan -- something he never said nor implied.

And so on and on and on. The news is the enemy. Trump is the sole candidate who does not act afraid of the news, and so they are bending every effort to destroy him. The normal methods of calling him a racist did not work (except on willing-to-be-deceived types) so the new method is to drive a wedge between him and the Republican base, by painting him as a liberal flipflopper, and worse than Hillary.

But it is an illusion. It is the Matrix. The news is skilled at this, and have been doing it for hundreds of years.

Blogger Timmy3 May 09, 2016 3:16 PM  

Hey Jack, I want Trump to succeed, but win a few for conservatives as opposed to liberals as if it matters. If it doesn't, then I don't care if Hillary wins either.

Anonymous VFM #9617 May 09, 2016 3:19 PM  

"Did any of you see this manhandling Trump gives Cuomo in this interview? "

Holy shit, that interview could be called Mario Cuomo and the Trumpening That Pounded My Ass to Glass"

Blogger praetorian May 09, 2016 3:23 PM  

/thread

Anonymous VFM #9617 May 09, 2016 3:25 PM  

D'oh, wrong Cuomo.

this was priceless from the interview:

"TRUMP: It’s only retribution for what she said. She is playing the woman’s card to the hilt. "

Yeah sure, Cruz would have said that. NOT!

Blogger Doom May 09, 2016 3:29 PM  

Running might truly not help her. But it gladdens my heart. I much prefer to see an enemy die tired.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 09, 2016 3:48 PM  

Trump should lay off Crookary until she actually seals the deal. Otherwise, he risks handing it to Bernie who would be much tougher to beat in the General.

Blogger YIH May 09, 2016 4:00 PM  

CM:
I didn't even realize Jindal was IN!
Yeah he was, didn't even make it to Thanksgiving or poll above 2%.
aew51183:
Keep in mind the state's tax structure also tends to suck in retirees from the entire eastern seaboard as a matter of course, and it looks like a lot of the people who retired to FL over the past 8 years are very pissed at Obama.
Not as much as you think, they left Medicare alone. Because of the way inflation is (mis-)calculated the hit to Social Security is minimal.

Blogger Sheila4g May 09, 2016 4:05 PM  

@99 #8601 Jean Valjean: "Being known as the "White Party" isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most minorities hate other minorities more than they do Whites. Hispanics and Asians would much rather align with Whites than Blacks."

They may not love one another, but they love gibs and resent Whites more than they dislike one another. More than 70% of Asians (including Desi Indians and Han Chinese) voted for Obama. Same goes for Hispanics. Those counting on internal divisions among Democrats to ensure a lasting White population or influence in the US are building castles in the air. They each want a bigger cut of the spoils, and will fight over our carcass to get it. That doesn't equal allying with us against the others.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 09, 2016 4:11 PM  

@121 #8601 Jean Valjean
Trump should lay off Crookary until she actually seals the deal. Otherwise, he risks handing it to Bernie who would be much tougher to beat in the General.
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He should at least keep bring up how the Democrat primary is crooked and rigged by the Super Delegates. The Bernouts need to be told who their enemy is since they apparently can't figure it out for themselves.

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 4:13 PM  

For the last 25 years, the GOP has pandered to the base and delivered nothing. So it lost even the social issues, even more when things got worse under Bush, and when the GOP puts up no opposition to Obama, but worse ignores the mandate. Funding PP and Obamacare in the last Omnibus was I think the final inflection point.

Ryan replacing Boehnor was a huge red flag, but with the media distorting itself, it couldn't see what was happening. Facebook taking marginal stories and promoting them, then taking major ones and spiking them. And Glenn Beck saying Trump was a joke and would crash and burn by last November and had a 20% ceiling.

The all clear signal was being sent even as the latest set of betrayals were happening.

I was skeptical, but once the Omnibus went through I think it was then I was convinced Trump would be the nominee.

It was Churchill that created the "Statistics Office" so he could get casualty counts and honestly know how the battles and war was going because he knew those around him would distort reality.

The distortion of the DC beltway has been going on so long they forgot both how to read the mood of the people, and why they needed to. They thought they controlled and led the narrative. So when it shifted, they didn't see.

Had Ryan and McConnell shut down the government to defund the disasters (I know they wouldn't) it would have shown they at least acknowledged the base.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 09, 2016 4:18 PM  

@117 VFM #9617
"Did any of you see this manhandling Trump gives Cuomo in this interview? "

Holy shit, that interview could be called Mario Cuomo and the Trumpening That Pounded My Ass to Glass"
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In case anybody is wondering, it was from this failed hit job/ interview:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/05/09/watch-cnns-cuomo-goes-after-trump-for-hillary-attacks-in-heated-interview/

My favorite part is in the beginning:

CUOMO: We need to talk policy. We need to talk the state of play within your own party, but you have commanded a different headline that needs to be addressed. You are attacking Hillary Clinton for the sexual past and indiscretions of her husband, calling her an enabler. We have a panel of independent voters. They are smart as heck and most of them don’t like it. They see it as a distraction, they see it as hypocritical coming from you, and mostly they see it as potential proof you may have no real ideas to offer as president. What is your thinking on this line of attack?

TRUMP: Well, this is a nice way to start off the interview. First of all, you should congratulate me for having won the race. I thought at least there would be a small congratulations, but I’m not surprised with CNN because that’s the way they treat Trump. It’s the — they call it the Clinton network and I believe that. So, you know…

CUOMO: Wait, hold on. Mr. Trump, I did congratulate you the last time we spoke. I said congratulations on winning the big race. What are you going to do going forward?

TRUMP: Thank you very much. So warm and so well-felt.

CUOMO: But you — no, no, no, hold on, hold on. Let’s get this off on the right foot. I’m trying to address what you…

TRUMP: You’re starting off with a question, we haven’t spoken, last week, towards the end, I was the, essentially the nominee of the party, and you start off with this question which is not surprising, because I understand CNN perhaps a lot better than you do.

OpenID aew51183 May 09, 2016 4:21 PM  

@122 - Don't be so sure.
Keep in mind Obama's FED has been absolutely KILLING retirees who depend upon interest income. Retirees and savers have been absolutely slaughtered for this past decade.

Blogger Rambam May 09, 2016 4:21 PM  

The fundamental transformation of the USA, which has been going on for decades, but became glaringly obvious to orthodox Americans in 2008, that is to say, the Reds finally took full operational control in 2008 and they aren't going to give up leadership and command. The metamorphosis will continue unabated.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 09, 2016 4:22 PM  

What is beautiful is how Trump immediately destroys the Narrative Cuomo was trying to put forth. Cuomo wanted to get all combative with Trump in the very beginning, but by the end he was desperately playing the "Mr.Objective" card ROFLMAO!

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 4:32 PM  

127. aew51183 May 09, 2016 4:21 PM
Keep in mind Obama's FED has been absolutely KILLING retirees who depend upon interest income.



that's not going to change, that CANNOT change under any presidency.

not unless the FedGov disavows all debts, liabilities and bonds.

because any reasonable interest rate on $20 Trillion is going to instantly nuke our budget.



129. Were-Puppy May 09, 2016 4:22 PM
Cuomo wanted to get all combative with Trump in the very beginning,



notice Cuomo's facial expression there. he hates Trump viscerally.

Anonymous VFM #9617 May 09, 2016 4:34 PM  

Indeed, Were-Puppy, that interview was an object lesson in maintaining frame.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 09, 2016 4:37 PM  

@123 Sheila

You are very pessimistic, and you may be right. But I hope not!

@124 Were-Puppy. Good point. And I also saw the Cuomo interview live this morning. His backtracking was glorious!

Anonymous Jack Amok May 09, 2016 4:40 PM  

Timmy, your comments are not consistent with wanting to win. They come across as defeatism. Or subversive propaganda.

Blogger Timmy3 May 09, 2016 4:53 PM  

Jack, Trump is the presumptive nominee, already a winner. His rhetoric against Hillary is a winner. He will win against Hillary. His performance in office should be questioned for he promised a lot and he is already backtracking. He will negotiate with Democrats. You should know what that means. Democrats will always outbid a Republican when it comes to negotiations. The issue of taxes is especially weird.

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“By the time it gets negotiated, it’s going to be a different plan,” Trump told George Stephanopoulos on ABC News’ “This Week.”

In Trump’s tax plan, the wealthiest individuals would get a tax break, with the top tax rate dropping from 39.6 percent to 25 percent. But when pressed if he wants taxes on the wealthy to go up or down, he predicted that the top rate would be higher than the plan says.

“On my plan they’re going down. But by the time it’s negotiated, they’ll go up,” Trump said. “Look, when I’m negotiating with the Democrats, I’m putting in a plan. I’m putting in my optimum plan. It’s going to be negotiated, George. It’s not going to stay there. They’re not going to say, ‘There’s your plan, let’s approve it.’ They’re going to say, ‘Let’s see what we can do.’
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Taxes goes up because he's negotiating with Democrats like HE SAID.

OpenID aew51183 May 09, 2016 5:01 PM  

@130

"that's not going to change, that CANNOT change under any presidency."

oh, push the nation into recession will it? I think I know another administration who installed a fed chair, think it started with a "VOLCKER", who did just that, pushed the economy into recession, but it stopped stagflation (which we're in, again) and within 24 months the economy was roaring at double-digit growth!

Blogger lowercaseb May 09, 2016 5:01 PM  

VFM #9617 wrote:Indeed, Were-Puppy, that interview was an object lesson in maintaining frame.

It was also an object lesson in the need for anyone trying to get rough with Trump in an interview to set up a safeword beforehand.

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 5:07 PM  

134. Timmy3 May 09, 2016 4:53 PM
He will negotiate with Democrats.



name a leadership Republican in the last 25 years, apart from Gingrich ( actually, he did too, but the Contract With America was glorious ), who has not?

hell, Boner and Mcucknell didn't "negotiate" with the Democrats ... and managed to produce a budget that gave the Democrats MORE than the would have asked for.


134. Timmy3 May 09, 2016 4:53 PM
Democrats will always outbid a Republican when it comes to negotiations.



flagrantly unfounded naked assertion, Reagan and Gingrich both prove that a lie.

and besides, Trump ain't your grandpa's Republican.



134. Timmy3 May 09, 2016 4:53 PM
But by the time it’s negotiated, they’ll go up,” Trump said. “Look, when I’m negotiating with the Democrats,



and what is Trump going to GET in return for allowing them to modify his tax rate on the rich, Timmay?

you're still thinking you can modify a single variable and everything ELSE will stay the same.

haven't you noticed by now that Trump is excellent and budging the opposing party off of positions that you thought they were rock solid on?

did you not notice Vicente Fox apologizing to Trump?

Trump is masterful at cutting the foundations out from underneath his opponent. suddenly, things that you thought were non-negotiable are being OFFERED TOO him, simply to slow him down.

as has been acknowledged many times, sure, Trump may just be a New York values liberal masquerading as a populist.

in which case, he's no worse than Romney or McCain.

but, you know, he MAY just actually do some of this stuff?

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 5:13 PM  

135. aew51183 May 09, 2016 5:01 PM
oh, push the nation into recession will it?



a recession? you think a 'recession' is the worst possible outcome?

child, you are not tall enough for this ride.

there is only one reason why the Reserve has kept interest rates crushed for so long: to extend the pretense that the FedGov is solvent.

it is not.

and what happens when the Treasury Dept can no longer sell bonds?

and what happens to all the goods we import when the US Dollar gets marked to market and it is revealed that "the full faith and credit" of the US government is worth less than unicorn shit ice cream?

if we're lucky, civil war will be all we have.

OpenID aew51183 May 09, 2016 5:18 PM  

@138

A collapse of the US dollar would only be painful for a year or two, after which we'd see a swift return of manufacturing to US shores from places like China.

The best part is: the parasitic boomer generation is likely to get socked the hardest and be forced to sell off their homes in distress, FINALLY making way for millennials to have families.

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 5:23 PM  

i agree that the Dollar needs a reset.

i disagree that it can be peaceful any longer.

for instance, what will China's response be when they can no longer sell significant exports to us? you think there will be no knock on effects from that?

Anonymous Steve May 09, 2016 5:26 PM  

Were-Puppy - Great interview, thanks for sharing.

Also, it's another example of why it's daft to over-analyse everything Trump says, as the NeverTrump (and to a lesser extent, the Trumpamaniac) folks have been doing... as in "OMG! Did he just call for XYZ?"

Trump says a lot of things. He's constantly talking to the press, and he's a rhetorical bull in a china shop.

He's not a conventional politician who is on-message and focus-grouped and micro-polled into giving bland, generic, rehearsed answers. Ted Cruz was brilliant at that, and it was the political equivalent of antiviagra.

So Trump talks off the cuff a lot. Often he cracks jokes, or uses hyperbole for effect. He's a CEO, not a lawyer. He paints the bigger picture and hires good people to fill in the details.

It'd drive you insane if you were to parse his many, many words for hidden meanings and unspoken caveats. You either trust that he's going to do more or less what he says he'll do, or you don't.

At this point in his life, I'd argue he's a known quantity. He's got decades of experience in business and public life, and has no history of crazy behaviour. Hillary is also a known quantity. And that's why I believe Trump will win.

OpenID aew51183 May 09, 2016 6:08 PM  

@141 - the recession has already done that. China's manufacturing sector collapsed and they've been papering it over by strictly controlling the ability of people to sell stocks.

Blogger Lovekraft May 09, 2016 6:19 PM  

Shrillery's woman card expired the day she chose to attack KissyBill's accuser.

Blogger horsewithnonick May 09, 2016 6:57 PM  

I think many of the polls are missing this little fact: WE KNOW he's a bastard, we're just counting on him being OUR bastard.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 09, 2016 7:12 PM  

For fuck sake Timmy, you're saying Trump has already won and everything is still guaranteed to be shit. Why shouldn't I call you a defeatist?

Anonymous Quartermaster May 09, 2016 7:51 PM  

@64
Texas Democrats are pretty far left.

@67
“Don't look to me to pick the Super Bowl winner here - not doing it.”

What a sad spectacle. Such cowardice.

@81
You obviously don't get the term. It means it's difficult to where he actually stands because he's on too many sides of the issues. People are simply hearing what they want to hear. I think Trump will win, but the Trumpkins are going to be disappointed in what they get.

By the by, context means a lot.

@87
I like a 4 ounce Dupont Lure. Very effective.

@141
When the US dollar collapses, the US goes with it. It will cease to be a world player, and all the chinese made junk they sold to us so they can build their military and start their own Neo-con style adventures, will rot in warehouses and when the Chinese workers get laid off, the CCP will have to go full Stalin on them again to keep things pushed down. Whether China can keep building a Navy and Air Force under those conditions remains to be seen. That's the real expensive part of military expansion. Life on this planet will get really, really interesting at that point.

Blogger Harsh May 09, 2016 8:22 PM  

1. Trump IS a Democrat. He is a liberal. He will always be a liberal. If he wins (and he won't) he will remain a NYC liberal.

No, he is not. He might possibly be alt-left but even that's a stretch.

2. Trump will govern the same as Hillary -- or perhaps even worse if Trump panders to racists and anti-semites.

Two types of people believe Trump will run the country like Hillary -- idiots and liars. I'll leave it to the audience to decide which one you are.

3. The liberal MSM media are all PRO-TRUMP... they wanted Trump to win the nomination because everyone knows that Trump will be destroyed by Hillary in the general election. Trump is the Washington Generals and Hillary is the Harlem Globetrotters. GOOD WORK TRUMPKIN SCUM.

You're just shouting things and hope someone listens, right?

4. I would rather vote for Hillary because she is at least consistent and honest about her positions (and her positions on foreign policy and trade are pretty centrist/libertarian.)

So you're a sackless cuck. Good for you.

Blogger Jimmy Glover May 09, 2016 8:38 PM  

It's not just democrats. I've been in a bit of Facebook tussle with Larry corriea. I don't like to be held in contempt by one of my favorite authors. The resulting nuke should be visible here.

Blogger Timmy3 May 09, 2016 8:43 PM  

Hi Jack: Maybe you should lower your expectations so you wouldn't be disappointed.

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 9:23 PM  

> ...and what happens when the Treasury Dept can no longer sell bonds?

They change the rules again and simply start printing money. Can you say inflation?

Blogger ray May 09, 2016 9:31 PM  

#126 -- "Had Ryan and McConnell shut down the government to defund the disasters (I know they wouldn't) it would have shown they at least acknowledged the base."


Miracles are not porcine in origin. It would have been sufficient, under current conditions, for them to express (genuine) horror at the P.P. vids, and at P.P. in general. But of course they couldn't because that would mean women aren't perfect empowered goddesss. The females in their lives, electorates, and nation, would disapprove promptly and loudly. To say noting of the fem-senators and etc.

These are the putative leaders of the nation, the most powerful nation in the world, and yet they couldn't even PRETEND to protect its most vulnerable citizens and investees. Because Big Powerful Man is skeered of females, even to the point of failing his own nation.

On cue, Stewart calls Trump a man-baby. Projectile cuck.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 09, 2016 9:46 PM  

Maybe you should lower your expectations so you wouldn't be disappointed.

You really need to learn the difference between being prepared for disaster and undermining efforts to recover from it.

I've said several times in comments here that I don't expect Trump or anyone else to fix our problems or to avoid the train wreck. But there's a chance he might make it not quite as bad as it otherwise would be. And even more importantly, there's a chance that his attitude will encourage enough Americans to rouse themselves from their feelings of impotence to fight back against the bastards ruining our civilization sooner rather than later.

And along comes a bunch of Eyores spouting defeatist propaganda.

Do you know why Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't accomplish anything positive as Governor of California? It wasn't because he was a crypto-liberal. He tried to get their budget under control, but of course that provoked outrage on the left. They protested loudly. The folks on the right skulked off into the bushes, hiding from the fight, covering their cowardice with claims that it was hopeless.

So Schwarzenegger found himself a leader abandoned by his followers and said fuck it. If they can't counter-protest the SEIU goons, then why should I take all the heat.

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 9:54 PM  

Arnold BlackNigger was a cripto-liberal o___o mannnn that is a bummer

Blogger Were-Puppy May 09, 2016 10:03 PM  

@135 Timmy3
Taxes goes up because he's negotiating with Democrats like HE SAID.
---

I heard him say that they will go up from his proposal, not from where they currently are. Said they will still be lower than they are currently.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 09, 2016 10:10 PM  

@148 Jimmy Glover

It's not just democrats. I've been in a bit of Facebook tussle with Larry corriea. I don't like to be held in contempt by one of my favorite authors.
---

Yipe. I haven't even been going to MHI hoping this will all die down eventually.

Blogger Phunctor May 09, 2016 10:12 PM  

A thought about the Thimster; we've all seen comments sections destroyed by trolls. Let's pretend he gets paid for how much we engage him. Which might even be true.

Anonymous vfm #0202 May 09, 2016 10:17 PM  

What if President Trump were to use his bully pulpit and connection with the voters to lead a "primary the bastards" attack on the most incorrigible Republicucks? Would he, could he? Would the others be encouraged?

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 10:42 PM  

So what was the dustup with Larry Correia?

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 10:50 PM  

Oh... This huge ginormous 15 EDIT post about Trumkins and votong and whatnot???

Wow, didn't know you could edit a post so much without it becoming Bruce Jenner or Michael Jackson (RIP) XD

Anonymous old coyote May 09, 2016 11:37 PM  

@140 "parasitic boomer generation is likely to get socked the hardest and be forced to sell off their homes in distress, FINALLY making way for millennials to have families"- llolz. yeah i see so many millennial families scarfing up the foreclosed homes sitting on the market now. i have a dozen millenial nieces and nephews who didn' t whine and bitch about how their evil boomer relatives fucked up their lives; they moved to where they found work, rented, saved money, bought modest starter home - just like their older family did. "Boomer hate" looks no different than what the 60s hippies said about their parents; fortunately, the new alt-right movement (hopefully) will beget a populist Jacksonian movement in which individuals recognize that our enemy is not those of us who slave(d) to earn the (((devils))) their due.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 09, 2016 11:54 PM  

Arnold BlackNigger was a cripto-liberal o___o mannnn that is a bummer

No, he wasn't a crypto-liberal. He tried to do the right thing, got no support, so bailed.

Anonymous Nathan May 10, 2016 12:13 AM  

"Still, when I hear smart people explaining why Trump cannot win, all I can think is: Aren’t you the ones who told us that he couldn’t top 30 percent, and then 40 percent, and then 50 percent in the Republican primaries?"

What was, will be?

I want to gamble with this guy!!

Why am I not surprised he didn't investigate how The Donald will ever get more hispanics or more women than Romney.

Yeah...I want to gamble with this guy.

Anonymous Nathan May 10, 2016 12:27 AM  

"haven't you noticed by now that Trump is excellent and budging the opposing party off of positions that you thought they were rock solid on?"

You! You too I want to gamble with.

I want to gamble with you on which names Trump will call Thomas and Alito when they side with the the rest of the court stopping President Trumps at4temp to unconstitutionally round up Hispanics. I'll go with "loser!".

But the real proposition is how long it takes President Trump to resign from office in a whine over not getting what he wants.

Anonymous Eduardo May 10, 2016 1:08 AM  

Jack Amok

Ohhhhh.... Didn't the "not" there. My bad, I blame it on my iPhone.

Blogger Marc DuQuesne May 10, 2016 1:08 AM  

The Sad Puppies have gone pretty deep into #NeverTrump land. No reason to confront them about it when there are plenty of liberals to run over with the Trump Train. Once they have worked through the stages of grief they can be brought back to sanity and help make America great again. There are many news cycles to go and the epic debates haven't even happened yet. Arguing with natural Clinton opponents now will only harden their positions and make it harder for them to see reason.

Nathan, Trump, like that other great nationalist populist president Jackson, knows how to handle the Supreme Courts elevation of non-Americans rights over Americans.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 10, 2016 1:55 AM  

My bad, I blame it on my iPhone

Completely understandable Eduardo. But... you do realize that iPhone's are gayer than Milo and Big Gay Steve doing a pin-up calendar in Miami, right?

Anonymous Eduardo May 10, 2016 2:03 AM  

They are???

Damn, it was my mom's man! I have been getting second hand phones from my parents for 10 years!

U_U gotta stop that I guess.

*that is pretty damn gay XD*

Blogger David Power May 10, 2016 5:53 AM  



He'll never run for President. X
He'll never get over 2%. X
He'll never submit his finances. X
He'll never get over 5%. X
He'll never win a debate. X
He'll never win in the East. X
He'll never get over 10%. X
He'll never win a delegate. X
He'll never win in the South. X
He'll never beat Christie. X
He'll never get over 20%. X
He'll never get over 100 delegates. X
He'll never win Evangelicals. X
He'll never get endorsed. X
He'll never win a Caucus. X
He'll never win in the North. X
He'll never beat Carson. X
He'll never get over 30%. X
He'll never get over 200 delegates. X
He'll never win with Latinos. X
He'll never win a Primary. X
He'll never win in the West. X
He'll never beat Kasich. X
He'll never get over 40%. X
He'll never get over 400 delegates. X
He'll never win with women. X
He'll never win 8 States. X
He'll never beat Jeb. X
He'll never get over 50%. X
He'll never get over 600 delegates. X
He'll never beat Rubio. X
He'll never get over 60%. X
He'll never get over 1000 delegates. X
He'll never beat Cruz. X
He'll never get the Candidacy
He'll never beat Hillary.
He'll never build a wall.
He'll never win a second term.
He'll never Make America Great Again.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 10, 2016 11:00 AM  

David Powell, excellent comment.

#WhatCantHeDoNext

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 1:35 PM  

#HeCantUseTheTargetsLadiesRoom

Blogger Ingot9455 May 10, 2016 1:37 PM  

@164 Who's unconstitutionally rounding up Hispanics?

With the stroke of a pen he can authorize all US police, state, city, and county, to check IDs upon any contact and arrest for federal misdemeanor illegal entry (felony if previously deported). It's current immigration law.

Anonymous Emmanuel May 10, 2016 3:09 PM  

The Donald will be one of the greatest POTUS ever

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 10, 2016 7:04 PM  

"Brevard is mainly KSC and retirees, but the effects of imminvasion (head scarfs and halal butcher shops) are making they're presence known there."
Lived in Cape Canaveral as a kid. My daddy (God rest his soul) Worked at Cape Kennedy during the Apollo era.
They had quite a few Germans there then. Muzzies were an unknown species then around there.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 10, 2016 7:36 PM  

161. old coyote
Amen, brother. That was a great post. Those thumbsuckin' ninnies make the ones whose got their stuff together and were raised right embarressed, to say the least. They are gonna wind up shootin' these punks on sight.

Blogger Akulkis May 11, 2016 6:34 PM  

@104

If they understood us, they wouldn't be libtards.

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Blogger Akulkis May 11, 2016 7:35 PM  

@139

"worth less than unicorn shit ice cream?"

Should pick something different.

I'm pretty sure that if you took a 5-gallon carton of that stuff, with a couple boxes of ice cream cones and a scoop to a Brony convention, you'd walk out with over $1M in your pocket.

Anonymous Bob May 11, 2016 11:35 PM  

The only divide in the GOP is the politicians and the people that voted for them.

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