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Saturday, May 28, 2016

Diversity, discovered

White American left-liberals at the Washington Post belatedly discover that the Indians and the Chinese aren't exactly fond of Africans, despite them all being "minorities":
China and India have a huge problem with racism toward black people

Just minutes before his birthday, Masonda Ketanda Olivier was beaten to death. The Congolese national was confronted by a mob of men late at night last Friday in New Delhi and killed. Police said the incident was a dispute over the hiring of an autorickshaw; Olivier's friend, an Ivorian national, said it was a clear hate crime, with racial epithets repeatedly invoked.

This week, irate African diplomats in the Indian capital pointed to Olivier's murder as evidence of wider discrimination and bigotry against black people who visit and live in India. Olivier, who reports indicate was about to turn 24, was teaching French.

"The Indian government is strongly enjoined to take urgent steps to guarantee the safety of Africans in India including appropriate programmes of public awareness that will address the problem of racism and Afro-phobia in India," Alem Tsehage, the Eritrean ambassador and the diplomat representing other African envoys in New Delhi, said in a statement. They also warned against new batches of African students enrolling in Indian universities.

On the same day, on the other side of the Himalayas, an ad for a Chinese laundry detergent went viral. It is shockingly racist: The video, which you can watch above, shows a fetching Chinese woman lure a paint-stained, lascivious African man toward her. She briefly toys with him before shoving a detergent capsule into his mouth and him into the machine. Out emerges a fresh-faced Chinese man, looking sparkling white and clean.
I'm looking forward to the American Left's reaction when they finally discover that Hispanics in general, and Mexicans in particular, despise blacks more than the KKK ever did. White progressives really are that stupid, and that ignorant, about the minorities they love to champion.

When I lived in Japan, the Japanese openly referred to blacks as "monkeys" and made it clear that they were not even "gaijin". And the Chinese superiority complex is considerably more entrenched than any of the European ones ever were; they still consider Europeans to be technologically advanced barbarians. Remember, both Japanese and Chinese cultures knowingly turned their backs on technological advancement in the name of societal stability, and there are certainly some increasingly strong arguments on that score.

In light of the observably deleterious consequences of the US and European wars on racism, I'd be very surprised if the Indians and Chinese didn't come to the conclusions that even the most virulent racism is considerably better than having your nation invaded by Africans.

What society do you think functions better, a racist, ethnically homogeneous society with intact families or a diverse, ethnically heterogeneous society with the vast majority children being born illegitimate and raised without fathers? Which society do you prefer?

Those are the options presently on offer.

121 comments:

  1. "American left-liberals belatedly discover that the Indians and the Chinese aren't exactly fond of Africans, despite them all being "minorities"

    Heh. Who would have thought?

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  2. I followed the link from Sailer's. Bad news the vast majority of people on Earth it seems have the capability for logic as a teenaged girl, good news those morons are ripe for new memes.

    But they won't be able to absorb long tedious arguments as intellectuals are wont to give, they need memes that correspond to the reality about them.

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  3. China and India have a huge problem with racism toward black people

    Everybody has a problem with aggressive, simian-looking people getting injected into their countries as a genocide weapon that squirts spores into native women's wombs as soon as the native men are hog-tied to prevent that from happening.

    PA

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  4. ...or a diverse, ethnically heterogeneous society with the vast majority children being born illegitimate and raised without fathers?

    One in four (or even one in two) does not a "vast majority" make.

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  5. India's hatred of the other extends to more than just blacks. A few years ago a co-worker from Chennai expressed his wish that the US would nuke Pakistan as part of the war on terror. When I pointed out that such an action would result in the loss of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of his countrymen, he replied "That's ok. They're just surplus people."

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  6. China and India have a huge problem with racism toward black people

    Ha! Ha! Ha! (*gasp...wheez*) Ha! Ha! Ha!

    Oh no! Hindustanis and Hans don't think like SWAPLs!

    We must shame them until they do!

    ENERGIZE THE SUPER EXTRA POWERFUL BECAUSE IT'S IN ENGLISH, SHAMINATOR BEAM!!!

    (*Yes, i deliberately used exclamation points for everything. It's how they talk!)*

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  7. Vox wrote: Those are the options presently on offer.

    To paraphrase GBS: "You see things; and you say 'Which?' But I dream things that are yet to be; and I say 'Why not?'"

    So I pick "C": a heterogeneous society with stable families.

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  8. Have you looked at their live birth rates?

    The next immigration problem is coming from Africa.

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  9. You know when I say we should aim to get the D party Prog coalition to fight amongst themselves conservatives look at me like I am a space alien refugee from Chuck Tingle's alternative universe. It seems guile is not a conservative value.

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  10. I'm always amused while standing on a long bus line. Middle aged Hispanic men have no problem telling me the nigger bus driver is always late.

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  11. It seems guile is not a conservative value.

    If those conservatives has read their great books for men, they'd have remembered that the central character in Western literature got by almost solely by guile: Odysseus.

    PA

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  12. Wrf3 - might as well pick "unicorns"

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    1. JACIII proves the value of reading all comments before also proving great minds think alike.

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  13. Everyone loves diversity! until it arrives in their neighborhood. It is happening in my neighborhood right now. I live in So Cal. The mix in my little corner of the Southland has for the last fifty years been White with some percentage Mexican and Asian. And mostly we get along pretty well. But there have been no Blacks. Not in this neck of the woods. That is changing rapidly. Within the space of a year the elementary school a block from my house has sprouted dozens of black kids where there were none before. There are blacks at the local markets. Suddenly there are skid row class bums at the street corners. Payday Loans. Bail Bonds. Everybody very happy, no?

    JWM

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    1. Hello Neighbor, I live in Hollywood and have seen this for decades. In my little corner of 2 front houses and one back apartment building, all are White except for the end apt of a family from South America who have been here for 30 years. 5 months ago, a faggot lesbian couple moved in downstairs: Latino female (born in US) and black dreadlocked female. They have been pretty quiet and decent but I've heard the black go off on the phone in typical ghetto nigger fashion. They had a small party a few months ago and it was mostly blacks but nothing to call the cops about. I am appalled my white landlord let them in but they are personal friends of his.

      I'm on a limited income and have no other place to go. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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  14. Somehow it's still white man's fault. I'll have to think a little more about how, exactly, but I'm sure of it.

    Colonialism?

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  15. remember... they are just now realizing that racism exists out side of the USA...

    But we're the parochial ones.

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  16. Most rapes of Japanese women in mainland Japan and Okinawa by US servicemen have been committed by blacks, and I've heard rumors that the Japanese government formally asked the US to not allow black servicemen to be given orders to bases in Japan.

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  17. So I pick "C": a heterogeneous society with stable families.

    That's not an option. That's being dumb enough to continue believing the hype of those who turned A into B. In other words, you're choosing B.

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  18. George of the JungleMay 28, 2016 9:48 AM

    @7 wrf3...
    Are you willing to die by dindus for your Sacred Meme?

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  19. Out emerges a fresh-faced Chinese man, looking sparkling white and clean.

    Well, there you have it.

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  20. upandup posted - "One in four (or even one in two) does not a "vast majority" make."

    I didn't see where VD listed any specific countries. Put your Jump to Conclusions Mat away for now, and answer the question. It is a simple choice.

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  21. North Korea?
    It depends on the source of "racism" as it has the SJW, supremacist, and just truth meanings.
    "Broken families" coexists with homogeneous and diverse races. Where the asians and whites mixed in ww2, there was not the breakdown.

    Iceland is about as homogeneous as Japan and their divorce and out of wedlock births are rising.

    The problem is the welfare state and the fallen Christian culture where now divorce is acceptable, as is single-motherhood.

    The diversity problem is not across race, but sex. And keeping men and women separated won't work.

    An asian or black of similar culture won't destroy a white men's club if admitted. Even the most manly woman will.

    "If you want to lose weight, count calories, not carbs - thermodynamics!"

    "vaccines are safe,and effective"

    Misdiagnosing the disease causes you to treat a symptom.

    I don't have a problem with the differing bell curves - they are data about nature and God's creation. Even natural law that establishes subsidiarity so the family is at the pinnacle and the nation at the base with the tribe in the middle.

    But diversity and all its evils is an effect, not a cause. The disease is amorality or moral relativism. 50 years ago and before we were less racist in that we expected everyone - black, white, man, woman to practice self control and assumed a high standard was possible. We now assume everyone is incapable of self control, or at least have to lower the bar to the lowest.

    Trigglypuff must be considered pretty because she does not want to bother with the steps to become pretty. That is the aesthetic aspect, but morality and reason are similarly broken.

    The Japanese are no nicer than Africans - the Bataan Death march, the Rape of NanKing, Comfort Women, etc. I think the Caliphate might be less evil by the standards of Christendom.

    But Japan is committing demographic suicide - and will "suggest" the elderly kill themselves when they can't keep the economy going. But you can't cure a lack of births by the death of the elderly.

    Civilization is mere order. The USSR was orderly too, and to the extent I can determine, quite racist and fairly sexist.

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  22. racist, ethnically homogeneous society with intact families describes the Muslim world. Cousin marriage is this, par excellance.

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  23. funny part is this article is written by an indian guy (famously whitish in colour) who went to yale, and whose family is basically transnational SJW types. He knows exactly how africans and dark skinned people are viewed back in the old country.....

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  24. This is pretty weak. I have a friend who was a professional soccer player in South America. He says that when the Africans came onto the field through the corridor they were typically showered with bananas.

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  25. @13 HUD is now trying its own gerrymandering by moving blacks into non-black communities to dilute the vote.

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  26. Constantine VII, a 10th Century Byzantine Emperor, wrote the following:

    "For each nation has different customs and divergent laws and institutions, and should consolidate those things that are proper to it, and should form and develop out of the same nation the associations for the fusion of its life. For just as each animal mates with its own tribe, so it is right that each nation should marry and cohabit not with those of other race and tongue but of the same tribe and speech. For hence arise naturally harmony of thought and intercourse among one another and friendly converse and living together; but alien customs and divergent laws are likely on the contrary to engender enmities and quarrels and hatreds and broils, which tend to beget not friendship and association but spite and division."

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  27. If any right wing politician had any brains, they would use affirmative action as a wedge issue to get the support of Asians. Asian students usually come from
    cultures that value education, but these excellent Asian students get screwed by affirmative action in admissions.

    It goes without saying that excellent white students get screwed by affirmative action too. A former co-worker told me that his sister applied, back in the 1980s, to the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign. Although her ACT score was 27, and was an honors student in high school, she was not admitted. She found out that a another applicant with a ACT score of 19 was accepted, because he was black and played basketball.

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  28. I was asking some questions in my local town Facebook group and was thoroughly reviled. It seems the SFWA/SJW types are common. Mainly women.

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  29. I had not considered that East Asian societies consciously rejected the technology road in the past. Given the extraordinary mechanisms of self-destruction now in place courtesy of the microprocessor, I must reevaluate some earlier premises.

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  30. Speaking of Chinese views on blek people...(my apologies, I can't find the version I saw last night that didn't include "racist" in the title)

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  31. @27tz wrote:@13 HUD is now trying its own gerrymandering by moving blacks into non-black communities to dilute the vote.
    I believe that is exactly what is happening here. And anyone claiming a dear love for diversity! needs to put his feet in the fire, so he knows just how cozy it is. Wait until you own your home, and the -er- property value that comes with it. When it is your walk to the local Starbucks. Wait until it is your kids' school.

    JWM

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  32. "...or a diverse, ethnically heterogeneous society with the vast majority children being born illegitimate and raised without fathers?"

    To be fair here, the collapse of the black family in North America owes a great deal to the specific economic policies pursued as part of the War on Poverty; those same economic policies are causing a great deal of family breakdown across the racial board.

    Those policies in turn were only possible because lawmakers didn't see poor people as capable of viable economic participation without that support: essentially, the welfare systems that enable family collapse are condescending and patronizing in the literal senses of those words. Part of the reason Indian, Chinese and Mexican culture is so hostile to black immigrants is precisely the fact that they don't have the economic luxury of feeling like they can afford to facilitate new competitors for resources.

    Now pointing out that the causes may be due to a people's economic situation rather than inherent to a people's character is not particularly helpful in a practical sense -- if the former is at least theoretically amenable in a way supposed racial character is not, that does not mean it is at all feasible in practice -- but it at least allows a more neutral perspective on the actual people involved.

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  33. Muslims are waging a holy war, but the nascent Caliphate is also racist.
    The problem is God's law, or natural law if you prefer. It rewards large, intact families. It says only a little about tribal or national loyalty.
    It is easy to convince someone to be a total racist but it then is a rejection of Christianity where there is neither Jew or Greek, or even Man or Woman, only differing parts of one body.
    So you now have your racist. How do you get the large, intact family? In-group preference does not itself make many legitimate offspring. I mentioned the Japanese.
    Mormons seem far more effective, and they are not or only mildly racist. 10-20% Mormons would demographically overwhelm the invasion in two decades. SSPX Catholicism is similar, and a few, small protestant churches are too.
    The LGBTQ community has a strong in-group preference too.

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  34. There's the earlier Italian commercial - same music, only white to black.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjuamNkZ5YQ

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  35. To be fair here, the collapse of the black family in North America owes a great deal to the specific economic policies pursued as part of the War on Poverty; those same economic policies are causing a great deal of family breakdown across the racial board.

    Oh, give up on the historical virtue signaling already. The black family in North America was a) 20 percent white, and, b) constructed in imitation of the white family in North America. It did not reflect traditional African family patterns.

    What we have seen as a "consequence" of the War on Poverty is a reversion of the African-American family to the African norm. The more insidious problem is the way in which the War on Poverty combined with no-fault divorce has led to the destruction of the traditional white nuclear family.

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  36. it at least allows a more neutral perspective on the actual people involved.

    Which, of course, is the primary concern. After all, if you permit someone to call you "racist", whatever case you are making is automatically wrong.

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  37. With hypergamy, are not white men preferred by all women? The cock carousel has mostly white stallions.

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  38. One in four (or even one in two) does not a "vast majority" make.

    It's over 70% for US blacks.

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  39. "Out emerges a fresh-faced Chinese man, looking sparkling white and clean."

    Ancient Chinese secret, huh?

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  40. Ancient Chinese secret, huh?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOfmy6zlh_k

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  41. "The black family in North America was a) 20 percent white, and, b) constructed in imitation of the white family in North America. It did not reflect traditional African family patterns."

    And yet it self-sustained for multiple generations, and only collapsed once an economic alternative became available, much as white marriage is collapsing now because economic alternatives are available. As for "traditional African family patterns", I'd have to ask, what part of Africa? What period? What tribe? How wealthy were they? Under what levels of Christian or Muslim cultural influence? And so on. If we can take the differences between Greek and German ethnocultures into account, we can do it for Nigerian Yoruba and Rwandan Hutus, just to pick two from Wikipedia.

    I don't think it's "historical virtue signaling" to point out that people respond to economic incentives whatever their race, and that perception of a threatening competitor (the ultimate instinctive root of all forms of xenophobia) has as much to do with practical economic circumstances as it does instinctive ethnic segregation. (The very institution of slavery, after all, is in part about making a statement to the enslaved that they are absolutely no threat whatsoever -- that they are a commodity, not a competitor.) And while I don't believe in magic dirt any more than you do, I do believe that humans are capable of amazingly swift adaptation when they have to be -- the key is that they have to perceive the adaptation as necessary, and the alternative to be intolerable. Even if one stipulates that inherent ethno-cultural difference limits maximum possible assimilation -- and to be honest, I am finding that more and more plausible myself as I get older -- there's no doubt that removing the economic pressure even to try is a large part of why it has so drastically declined in practice. After all, one of the reasons Islam was so successful as a religion of conquest was the fact that they imposed an economic incentive -- the jizya tax -- to convert.


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  42. ...looking sparkling white and clean

    (Reading this and another article linked from that one)--They still can't help trying to blame racism on white people, despite the subject being Indian and Asian racism.

    I've been to most continents, many countries, worked with all sorts of nationalities and peoples over the last few decades and it's clear to me that what people call "racism" is inherent in the human condition. I've never met a racial group or nationality or tribe that did NOT think of themselves as superior to virtually everyone else in some way and never ever met a people who didn't think of one or another racial group as inherently inferior.

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  43. "Remember, both Japanese and Chinese cultures knowingly turned their backs on technological advancement in the name of societal stability"

    You stumbled into the answer of why superior educated people have basket case societies at home. The west created great societies that facilitated a high standard of living, a peaceful civilization, and a good balance between the religious and political beliefs of its citizens, but this is uniquely western and not Asian. Asians are not rational people in general and not always wise in governance. They are crony capitalists and clannish. California is increasingly reflecting the politics of its ethnic residents.

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  44. VD wrote:That's not an option.

    I think you're confusing "options" with "outcomes".

    That's being dumb enough to continue believing the hype of those who turned A into B. In other words, you're choosing B.

    The "hype" is that one day there will be a heterogenous group of people around a common center (Rev 7:9). If we are to pray that God's will be done, on earth as it is in heaven, then we are to work toward heavenly goals even if the short term outcomes appear to be in opposition.
    The "hype" is that there will also be a separation between the sheep and the goats, but that this separation is due solely to adherence to a particular ideal and not something as mundane as genetics. Therefore, perhaps against all earthly hope, we are to advance that ideal.

    So, no, I'm not choosing "B", since I know what the ultimate outcome will be.

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  45. upandup wrote:...or a diverse, ethnically heterogeneous society with the vast majority children being born illegitimate and raised without fathers?

    One in four (or even one in two) does not a "vast majority" make.

    OK hotshot, what do you define as ''vast majority''?
    Speaking for myself I define ''vast majority'' as any percentage over 67% (or over 2/3rds if you prefer).
    Well guess what? In the US the African IN America birth rate with biological fathers having little or no involvement in the offspring (commonly referred to as ''illegitimate'') is by various accounts, generally over 70%!
    So, by the standard I stated above, yes, ''vast majority'' is accurate.
    I'm not surprised about the *cough* ''racism'' of Asians, from anecdotal accounts I've heard and seen over the years, they do indeed describe Africans:
    What Anti-globalist Expatriate says reminds me of a conversation I had with a man who was mayor of a city in California with a large Chinese population. He could speak Chinese, and he was familiar with the culture.

    With some exceptions, he said, most had little interest in adopting American values. Often, however, they would pay lip service to assimilation. Once he challenged a Chinese man who was doing this. The man smiled and replied, “Well, you took this country from the Indians, and we’re going to take it from you.”

    He said he would often circulate in the Chinese community and listen to the conversations, without the residents knowing he could understand them. He said their common term for an American was “foreign devil.” (I’ve confirmed this from other sources.) He said they have “no respect” for white Americans and generally regard blacks as animals.

    ''blacks as animals'', gee whiz, I wonder how they could have come to that conclusion?

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  46. China and India have a huge problem with racism toward black people

    or they go thru life with their eyes open

    "The Indian government is strongly enjoined to take urgent steps to guarantee the safety of Africans in India...." Alem Tsehage, the Eritrean ambassador.....said in a statement.

    apparently not concerned about the safety of Indians in India

    They also warned against new batches of African students enrolling in Indian universities.

    lol, I guess that's supposed to be a threat



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  47. BigGayKoranBurnerMay 28, 2016 11:40 AM

    One thing I have noticed is that wherever you go in the US, Asians will always know when a black kills an Asian in their state. They have no problem talking about it while if you note that Target is suing a white guy who stopped a black homeless felon from stabbing a 16yo white girl to death leftists will cry that you noticed details. http://rightwingnews.com/videos/target-sues-hero-who-fended-off-knife-wielding-attacker-as-he-stabbed-a-16-year-old-female-hostage-claiming-rescue-effort-put-too-many-lives-at-risk/

    If I was in a die verse city when a nigapocalypse broke out I would go join the roof rifle Asians.

    On the same day, on the other side of the Himalayas, an ad for a Chinese laundry detergent went viral

    Yet no leftists cry about the laundry ad that has a white woman putting a Scalzi weak white guy into a washer with detergent for colors that comes out as a groid.

    both Japanese and Chinese cultures knowingly turned their backs on technological advancement in the name of

    I thought it was because Emperors killed off any that questioned the narrative. You could discover new things but you couldn't discover anything previous was false without getting executed.

    Middle aged Hispanic men have no problem telling me the nigger bus driver is always late.

    I don't take the bus but,I heard one complain that the nigger bus driver only stops when there are niggers at the bus stop.

    the Japanese government formally asked the US to not allow black servicemen to be given orders to bases in Japan.

    Okinawa has a Cave of The Negros, where they tossed the bodies of black rapists for over a decade before being discovered.

    So I pick "C": a heterogeneous society with stable families.

    That's like asking for NYC to recognize gay marriages but not pass laws that would have 2 consenting adults curb stomped like a black guy selling untaxed cigs by Nanny Bloomers storm troopers for sharing a 20oz soda.

    HUD is now trying its own gerrymandering by moving blacks into non-black communities to dilute the vote

    It will backfire on them so bad, I believed in equality until I meet enough non Asian minorities to know better.

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  48. Vox, I talk to some of these people who are in favor of all of this immigration. They tell me that immigrants have lower crime rates than Americans do, and that these immigrants deserve to be here mote because they appreciate it here. These morons also tell me that assimilation is happening all around us, just like the Irish, Germans, Italians, etc.

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  49. I'm looking forward to the American Left's reaction when they finally discover that Hispanics in general, and Mexicans in particular, despise blacks more than the KKK ever did. White progressives really are that stupid, and that ignorant, about the minorities they love to champion.

    White progressives are aware of this but are in denial about it. CA's prop 8, which banned same sex marriage, was heavily supported by Hispanics and blacks. The progressives chose to ignore this reality and, instead, blamed the Mormon church (which is mostly white) for running what was a relatively ineffectual ad campaign for Prop 8.

    Vox, I have friends in the medical field who routinely deal with liberals. These people are far worse than you can imagine (You live in Italy, yes?). They no longer argue on the basis of rational dialog. They simply emote and believe that their emoting constitutes rational thinking. I flip a lot of shit on blogs such as your because you guys can at least argue well. Liberals cannot do this - at all.

    Also, I really do think the recent insanity at Americans universities is vaccine injury. These are the kids born in the mid 90's, who got the full schedule of vaccines starting at 9 months of age. They are all Mercury poisoned from the preservatives in the vaccines. We are seeing the vaccine holocaust in action.

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  50. @42. tz

    With hypergamy, are not white men preferred by all women? The cock carousel has mostly white stallions.

    Sure about that? Interesting that the article includes the original Italian commercial, but not a word of commentary on its significance. In relation to, just at random, current events in Europe (and America)?

    Seems more likely White men were preferred by women of all races when White men were dominant worldwide, but now the situation is considerably more complicated, as starkly depicted in the commercial.

    It's true the Chinese simply despise Africans, viewing them as non-human; thus the Chinese commercial, in which a rather metro Chinese male is preferred to an African with much more testosterone. But the Chinese have their own "savages" for their more adventurous women to turn to. Probably the most famous Chinese film (in the West anyway) is Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, wherein the female lead, a teenage secret master of martial arts whom none of the adults can best (sound familiar?), has a barbarian lover (a "desert bandit" from the west, possibly Tibetan?) she can't stay away from, though he doesn't fit with her life in civilization.

    There does seem to be a (nearly?) universal preference for lighter skin color. In India, people in the north, with much admixture of Caucasian genes from the Aryan conquest 3500 years ago, are on average considerably lighter than the Dravidian peoples in the south, the subcontinent's original inhabitants, some of whom are as black as Africans. (The Sanskrit word varna, commonly translated as "caste", literally means "color".) And it's the north Indians who rule the country. Hernán Cortés was considerably aided in his conquest of Mexico by his European skin color, which made him more deity than human to many of the natives.

    The Chinese and Japanese both include a fairly wide range of skin color, from fairly tan to whiter than most Europeans (like the people in the commercial). I wonder if any study has ever been done on whether the Chinese ruling class are lighter-colored on average than those they rule.

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  51. Yeah, but did they sell a lot of detergent?

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  52. Very surprised the author did not pin the India racism on the horrid influence of the English empire. Of course, the racism in China is a little harder to blame of the western whites but I have faith in these lefties to come up with some extremely stupid reason to blame whitey.

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  53. Yeah, but did they sell a lot of detergent?

    There are reports of Asians wanting their money back because blacks just drown in water.

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  54. Vox, you probably do realize just how far around the bend liberals are. You spar with them a lot on Twitter. Me? I don't even have a twitter account and have no intention of getting one.

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  55. 53. Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 28, 2016 11:45 AM
    Vox, I talk to some of these people who are in favor of all of this immigration. They tell me that immigrants have lower crime rates than Americans do...


    lol, where did they get an idea like that?

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  56. Celebrate diversity: give each culture its own safe space to grow in.

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  57. @21 tz: The problem is the welfare state and the fallen Christian culture where now divorce is acceptable, as is single-motherhood.

    @46 Stephen J.: And yet it self-sustained for multiple generations, and only collapsed once an economic alternative became available, much as white marriage is collapsing now because economic alternatives are available.

    Both of you might want to read up on the downside to r/K population dynamics. When resources are plentiful, reproduction rate goes up, parental investment per offspring goes down. This is the r-selection variant of r/K theory. K-selection kicks in when resources are scarce; reproduction is rare and parental investment per offspring is high. There are of course some distinctions between humans and animals - we have interventions such as condoms and now the pill to control the reproductive rate while continuing to indulge r-selection's enhanced sexuality, and we largely produce our own wealth and "good times" instead of stumbling into resource-rich virgin field environments.

    We live in very rich times these days, and have for at least the last century. Our ancestors took centuries to build up a vast store of wealth, and now we are spending that wealth. Inevitable, really. Nothing wrong with spending on mercy for the helpless and deserving poor when there's the surplus to spend. But we have broadened the definitions of the helpless in need of stipends to absurd degrees; every "minority" is a "victim" class that must have resources expended to advantage it.

    In the natural world, eventually the r-selected prey species is discovered by usually K-selected predators, and the prey population i sculled back. But humans are the apex predators; nothing culls us save others of our own species. About 50 years back, Dr. John Calhoun ran a series of experiments illustrating a resource-unlimited r-selected utopia; no predators, endless wealth. The experiments are known as "mouse utopias" or "behavioral sinks," and the results were... not pretty.

    The various psychological dysfunctions seen in the rodents mirror those seen in collapsing human civilizations, and some of those dysfunctions such as "the beautiful ones" are evident in human society today. Tho human generation times are much longer and humans are never quite trapped in Calhoun's cages to face total population extinction the way the mice and rats were.

    Point being - the problem isn't poverty, the problem is the wealth. No wealth, no welfare state, and no Life of Julia lifetime stipends.

    @32 dc.sunsets: I had not considered that East Asian societies consciously rejected the technology road in the past. Given the extraordinary mechanisms of self-destruction now in place courtesy of the microprocessor, I must reevaluate some earlier premises.

    Yes, food for thought once you realize. Arguably the Romans ignored (tho not quite suppressed) some automation possibilities as well, to keep their population employed. There was a minor industrial revolution during the Medieval period - wind and water powered mills, etc., labor-multiplying devices the late Western Empire didn't need or therefore want.

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  58. "The Indian government is strongly enjoined to take urgent steps to guarantee the safety of Africans in India including appropriate programmes of public awareness that will address the problem of racism and Afro-phobia in India,"

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    Or...you know, the could just stay in Africa. Seems that would solve all your concerns.

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  59. See Steve Sailer's blog for an Italian commercial that does the opposite of the Chinese laundry commercial.

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  60. @16 Bob
    Most rapes of Japanese women in mainland Japan and Okinawa by US servicemen have been committed by blacks, and I've heard rumors that the Japanese government formally asked the US to not allow black servicemen to be given orders to bases in Japan.
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    They have every right to demand that.

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  61. Also wonder what the Chinese people who made that commercial thought of the Italian original they were copying. I mean, they know us gweilo are pretty weird, but seeing that European women apparently prefer an African buck to their own men...?

    Must be rather obvious to them what's happening to the West (and I expect it's fine with them), even if it's not obvious to many here.

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  62. Felix Bellator wrote:"Out emerges a fresh-faced Chinese man, looking sparkling white and clean."

    Ancient Chinese secret, huh?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJP5f-fsHrs

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  63. The fact is I as a white American have more in common with a black American than I do with all the millions of immigrants coming in from 3rd world countries. And I also understand that the biggest loser in this mass wave of immigration will be American blacks.

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  64. When I did landscaping I had to explain to the Mexicans I worked with that they could not openly refer to blacks as the n-word.

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    1. Country club. Very liberal. If member overheard and I was present I would get shit.

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  65. Vox, I talk to some of these people who are in favor of all of this immigration. They tell me that immigrants have lower crime rates than Americans do, and that these immigrants deserve to be here mote because they appreciate it here. These morons also tell me that assimilation is happening all around us, just like the Irish, Germans, Italians, etc.

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  66. What society do you think functions better, a racist, ethnically homogeneous society with intact families or a diverse, ethnically heterogeneous society with the vast majority children being born illegitimate and raised without fathers? Which society do you prefer?"

    Sadly, if that is the choice, there is no choice: any society with intact families can form a society and any without cannot.

    But it is the war on poverty that destroys the family unit among blacks in the US, and the war on overpopulation in China, not the war on racism.

    The Chinese family may be strong for Chinamen in America, but not those in China.

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  67. But it's not racist when you are white and it is Zimbabwe.

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  68. Stephen J, the thing you are missing is that it was not just economics, but expected behavior as well. Post-slavery, Blacks were expected to adhere to the norms of civilization established by Whites.

    So were, for that matter, Whites. Throwing out social norms has allowed both races to revert to their base level of uncivilized behavior, which in the case of keeping families intact is a 2x difference, and in the case of crime more like 10x.

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  69. @Wrf3 - If people like you were serious about wanting to make your country more like Heaven, you would push for a total ban on all non-Christian immigration. Only those washed in the blood of the Lamb get to stand before the Throne of God, I hope you remember?

    So kick out all the Muslims. Kick out all the Atheists. Kick out all the Jews. Kick out all the Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Kick out all the sexually immoral people - LGBTs and PUAs alike.
    Then repeal female suffrage and make women obedient and submissive their husbands.

    While you're at it, why not eradicate all sickness and pave all your streets with gold?

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  70. Or...you know, the could just stay in Africa.

    That was my thought too. A common thread among leftist types, from SJWs to globalists is their disregard of freedom of association. They don't understand "we don't like you, go away."

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  71. That was my thought too. A common thread among leftist types, from SJWs to globalists is their disregard of freedom of association. They don't understand "we don't like you, go away."


    Or they want that right only for themselves, not for anyone else.

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  72. In mentioning the Chines, Japanese, and Korean animosity towards blacks, you failed to mention the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean animosity towards each other. The way i understand their particular worldview is they each consider themselves on top of the racial pecking order, with the other two 2nd and 3rd. Other Asian groups follow, with Filipinos being the bottom of the Asian pecking order. Then come other groups, with blacks, as mentioned, being thought of as little more than animals. (One thing I don't know- are Australian aborigines above, below, or equal to blacks?)

    And all three groups have trouble classifying whites. Problem is, they tend towards realism in their worldview. And whites, British, Dutch, Germans, Americans, and even the French, have all kicked their butts at one point or another. Tough to classify a group as inferior when they've collectively kicked your butt.

    Chinese, Korean, and Japanese women gravitate towards white men as mates. The men would do the same towards white women, but the opposite attraction isn't there. That's got to be tough on the collective male ego there. Could be why the Japanese in particular are having trouble reproducing. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/06/22/national/social-issues/nearly-40-of-single-japanese-not-interested-in-romance-survey/

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  73. @48 Timmy 3: Asians are "crony capitalists and clannish."

    Quite true and noted by others. Singapore "worked" because it was run by a fairly ruthless crony capitalist and maintained its Han Chinese majority while also maintaining de facto segregation from its Malaysian and Indian lower class immigrants.

    How long this will last, given the latter's higher birth rates (when we lived there, Lee Kuan Yew had noted this and there were posters all over the subway featuring Chinese couples encouraging them to have more children) and increasing immigration, is seriously open to question - but everyone here assumes, just as they do in the US, that what has been is what always will be.

    @46 Stephen J: You're quite the meme replicator, aren't you? In addition to the spurious claim that Negro families were "self sustaining" prior to Johnson's Great Society (a historical fiction heavily promulgated by Thomas Sowell with cherry-picked data), you prefer to view human individuals as purely economic animals. Do you recall a volume "What's the Matter with Kansas"? Lamenting that White people were making choices in keeping with their cultural and community values rather than what liberals claimed would improve their economic base? Explain to me how Negroes watch Asian clannishness and communal lending and work ethic enabling them to create viable economic businesses in the ghetto and then emulates them. You are of one mind with NRO's Kevin Williamson, who declared White working class communities (such as those in Appalachia) ought to "die" if their inhabitants didn't want to scatter to the winds for purely economic reasons. Again, ties of culture, family, and history are illegitimate in your eyes.

    @71 John Wright: Sadly, you share in Stephen J's delusion regarding the Negro family and the Great Society. For a long, well-researched look into real Negro family and criminal history, please read how White progressives truly viewed the Negro and a history of Negro criminality in America as well as all other posts at Those Who can See.

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  74. What are the odds this is because of affirmative action hires. Govt run healthcare so bad not only does it kill with wait times but:

    "Now it has come out that the Department of Veterans Affairs wrongly declared 4,201 veterans dead since 2011, cutting off their benefits. This “accident” happened to over 1,000 vets just in 2015 alone."
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/va-admits-wrongly-declaring-4000-veterans-dead/

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  75. I spent some time in Indonesia. My wife is Indonesian. Indonesians take a very dim view of black Africans indeed! Many Indonesians are very dark skinned Asians. To a western eye they may even appear as indistinguishable from a black African. Never make the mistake of confusing one for an African. It won't go well, and you will never be forgiven.

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  76. FrankNorman wrote:@Wrf3 - If people like you were serious about wanting to make your country more like Heaven, you would push for a total ban on all non-Christian immigration. Only those washed in the blood of the Lamb get to stand before the Throne of God, I hope you remember?
    Yes, only those washed in the blood of the Lamb get to stand before the Throne of God. But that doesn't lead to the course of action that you suggest. The goal is not to make one particular country like Heaven -- the goal is the worldwide worship of the Lamb. So kicking people out of one country or another doesn't work to achieve that end. Too, I'm reminded of a quote from Frank Herbert's Dune: “There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.” Kicking people out only engenders generational hatred. The cycle has to be broken and forgiveness between people starts with forgiveness between man and God.

    So kick out all the Muslims. Kick out all the Atheists. Kick out all the Jews. Kick out all the Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Kick out all the sexually immoral people - LGBTs and PUAs alike.
    Or proclaim the Gospel and invite them to repent and join us.
    While you're at it, why not eradicate all sickness and pave all your streets with gold?
    Trying on the first. As for the second, sometimes a metaphor is just a metaphor.

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  77. Too, I'm reminded of a quote from Frank Herbert's Dune: “There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”

    No, we do not. Jesus paid for all our sins.

    Or proclaim the Gospel and invite them to repent and join us.

    And if they refuse to repent, and instead demand that you join them?

    Do you not remember the Scripture that says: "Come out from among them and be holy." ?

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  78. The error is one of giving an excessive emphasis.

    The globalists wish to destroy all lower levels of loyalty, in-group preference.
    But the nationalists seek the exact same thing.

    Genetically and naturally the order should be:

    Your own family, parents, children, and siblings.

    Extended family, Aunts and uncles, nieces and nephews, cousins.

    The local "tribe", typically the church and villiage.

    The extended tribe - the diocese or the locality.

    state or province

    nation or nationality

    race

    mankind.

    The error is the inversion of this pyramid, which is at the lowest levels genetic distance (noting you want to marry a spouse at some distance, which links two families or tribes).
    The middle levels start to use cultural distance.

    [therefore] On the larger issue, the only important question is if something promotes, is neutral to, or erodes the idea of large, intact families in principle.

    Not just eugenics - that doesn't address the intact family. We need Rachels saying "give me children or I will die" and to remember the response that God opens and closes the womb - contraception slams the door in God's face.

    Perhaps KKK-Katys will help, but they will have to then measure their love by the numerical increase they are personally responsible for.

    It is easier to hate (or love) outsiders than to love to the point of sacrifice for those closest to you.

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  79. @71 - true. Either Christ matters and a miracle is guaranteed, or we are at best in a deism where nature does the devils work - and we aren't even really responsible.

    Is it race or original sin? Did baptism work on the Ethopian in Acts?

    Even in Africa, the Watusi aren't Pigmies aren't Zulus - and they aren't the slave descended mixture. Neither are Chinese Koreans or Japanese.

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  80. VD wrote:constructed in imitation of the white family in North America. It did not reflect traditional African family patterns.

    This propensity of blacks to imitate the appearance of civilization but not the substance is best described in this amazing book published in 1900 Where Black Rules White : A Journey Across and About Haiti.

    Yes pre-1965 blacks did imitate white family structure but not the substance. They were married high rates but they were also notorious philanders and while their kids were born in wedlock - on paper - it did not mean their parents were married to each other. This was lamented about extensively, decade after decade, from The Negro in the South by Booker T. Washington to The Negro Family: The Case For National Action by Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Blacks today only appear worse because without the firm hand of “White Patriarchy” they’ve dropped the facade of “acting white” and WorldStarHipHop. If the iPhone and Youtube existed back in 1965 to show how blacks really lived the Civil Rights psy-op that starred that Corporate Media phony Mike King would have never succeeded.

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  81. FrankNorman wrote:Too, I'm reminded of a quote from Frank Herbert's Dune: “There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”
    No, we do not. Jesus paid for all our sins.

    Before God, certainly. But we still reap the consequences of our actions in the here and now, especially when others don't understand the power -- and necessity -- of forgiveness.

    Or proclaim the Gospel and invite them to repent and join us.
    And if they refuse to repent, and instead demand that you join them?

    I will not.

    Do you not remember the Scripture that says: "Come out from among them and be holy." ?
    Of course I do. The trick is applying that in a world that is getting smaller every day.

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  82. Hunsdon wrote:Out emerges a fresh-faced Chinese man, looking sparkling white and clean.
    This is a reboot of a similar soap ad in the US.  I think I saw it in a feature about the Jim Crow museum at Ferris State, but I can't find it.

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  83. @44 "Ancient Chinese secret, huh?"

    WE WUZ CHANGS!

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  84. So kick out all the Muslims. Kick out all the Atheists. Kick out all the Jews. Kick out all the Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Kick out all the sexually immoral people - LGBTs and PUAs alike.
    Or proclaim the Gospel and invite them to repent and join us.


    @82 wrf3
    You have to be a realist, not an idealist.

    Christian history has demonstrated that the "kick 'em out" strategy is resorted to far more commonly than what you're suggesting. Sometimes, the preaching was done first (usually to fallen-away Christians), but if it was demonstrably shown not to work, the people in question were invariably given the old heave-ho.

    This went especially for (((the tribe))) and Muslims, who are extremely hard to convert.

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  85. It's great that they mention how Chinese and Indians, or east Asians and south Asians wish they appeared more like us and they buy lots of skin whitening products. The rich also often get cosmetic surgery to fix their faces. Of course their women find whites more attractive but that commercial cannot go that far without sparking a backlash from their target market. Washing away the black is adequate to make the point. I suspect Asian women would be reluctant to openly admit their preference publicly. They are more discreet with their preference. I think it would be hilarious to anonymously send coupons for discounts on skin whitening products to co-workers or bosses to give them a helpful hint on how they might feel more at home in white societies.

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  86. FrankNorman wrote:No, we do not. Jesus paid for all our sins.
    He paid the penalty He did not abrogate the effects

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  87. An aside to the topic,

    If you've watched the Chinese commercial, pay attention to the very end; the newly whitened Chinese guy gives the whitener to the woman.

    In Asia, all women want to be fairer skinned.

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  88. Harold wrote:Chinese, Korean, and Japanese women gravitate towards white men as mates. The men would do the same towards white women, but the opposite attraction isn't there. That's got to be tough on the collective male ego there.

    I've read that while Asian women still have an in-group preference, upper-middle HB women find it easier to marry up (or at least not down) with white men. But then your sons could have PAMS (Passive Asian Male Syndrome).

    (If we go further with this tangent, we should probably take it to Alpha Game.)

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  89. Someone please get our cuckservative tz a fainting couch. He has the vapors from being confronted with reality.

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  90. VFM #7634 wrote:
    You have to be a realist, not an idealist.

    I do? Who says?

    Do you not understand that Christianity is the story of the triumph of idealism over realism? God is the Ideal; His Son, Jesus, is the Ideal made flesh.

    It was the realists who put Him to death.

    Why should I walk in their shoes?

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  91. Many Korean women, like many Filipinas, are attracted to Black men. Koreans are like the Blacks of Asia, discriminated against by both the Chinese and the Japanese. Asian men, other than the late actor Toshiro Mifune, have no manhood whatsoever, despite all the rhino horn powder and tiger penis soup they consume. Is it any wonder that some Asian women are attracted to "the other"? Here in the East Bay, many intellectual, leftist, white women end up with Chinese-American men. Many Chinese-American men have a white girl fetish (due to early porn consumption, a la Ben Fong Torres) and will take even a plain white woman. The plain, white, intellectual women have a fetish for the exotic, but prefer smart, sensitive, emasculated men. Matches made in heaven.

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  92. It appears both tz and wrf3 consider a multicultural "heaven on earth" quite doable prior to Jesus' return, as long as we all love, welcome, and marry the "other."

    That's not what my Bible says about the races or the future, thanks. Feel free to practice your conscience within your own families, but stop prescribing suicide for the rest of Christianity.

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  93. @86 imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    I'd rather live among those adhering to a righteous template than those who are living as they will.

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  94. @97 Miss Carnivorous: You might also consider that Asian men are accustomed to being bossed around by their wives. While in public Asian women don't usually demonstrate this to outsiders, they rule the roost at home re the children and the money. My husband has an acquaintance from high school who is Filipino, and with whom he occasionally has dinner. This guy always makes big plans for getting together for going shooting or some other group-guy activity which are always quashed by his White wife (another high school classmate). I asked my husband if he knew she was that bossy in high school and he said yes, but that his Filipino acquaintance was probably accustomed to that growing up. If I ever tried to police what my husband did or when, I wouldn't have a husband - nor would I want him.

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  95. I do? Who says?

    Your neighbors who don't want you trashing up their homes for the sake of your religious beliefs, that's who.

    Your neighbors aren't Jesus, quit trying to make them pay for your sins. And in case you think your neighbors have sins they need to pay for, that's fine, but you don't run God's Accounts Receivable department. He'll work out the payment options with them Himself.

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  96. Sheila4g wrote:It appears both tz and wrf3 consider a multicultural "heaven on earth" quite doable prior to Jesus' return, as long as we all love, welcome, and marry the "other."
    I have said nothing about "doable" or marriage with the "other." Please don't put words in my mouth. Ok?

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  98. In India, caste=color, for the most part. I watched a stewardess on Air India grit here teeth when confronted with a dark skinned Brahman from southern India, requesting caste based service ... she barely managed to buck up, put on her professional smile, and treat him as his religious caste required.

    I actually made quite a few low caste and Sikh friends in India simply by deliberately ignoring the issue.

    Regardless, you aren't ever going to successfully shame an upper caste person from India on this issue, no matter how hard an SJW tries.

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  99. "Do you not understand that Christianity is the story of the triumph of idealism over realism? God is the Ideal; His Son, Jesus, is the Ideal made flesh." - wrf3

    This sounds like churchian good feels religion. Can i get a scriptural reference on that?

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  100. A lot of these comments are absurd. I wonder how many here even know a few East Asians? Most of them aren't racists, they just aren't Cucks. They aren't Anti-anybody, they are simply Pro-Japanese or Pro-Chinese. They are in fact, "normal" - they view blacks as any objective observer would. Its Whites who are so weird and brainwashed that they refuse to look facts in their face.

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  101. Argentina freed all it's African slaves many many years before the American Civil War then allowed them to starve to death.

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  103. I am very fond of both Vox and Africans

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  104. This discussion reminds me of a time not too long ago when I had a very hard heart towards some things thankfully the Lord revealed to me how not good it is to have a hard heart. I say this very seriously to those that have ears to hear

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  105. @62, @65 : This blog has a quoting mechanism to clearly distinguish quoted text from commentary.  Will you PLEASE use it?

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  106. "The Indian government is strongly enjoined to take urgent steps to guarantee the safety of Africans in India including appropriate programmes of public awareness that will address the problem of racism and Afro-phobia in India," Alem Tsehage, the Eritrean ambassador and the diplomat representing other African envoys in New Delhi, said in a statement.

    The Government of India should respond: "Diplomats from Africa have no place demanding that other governments provide security or safety, cinsidering the typical standards in Africa. Particularly, Africans have no standing to demand safety in India, given the way Indian people have been treated in Africa."

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  107. I don't see that those are the only options. End AFDC/TANF (the subsidy for welfare eaters to breed) and pretty much all the one-parent households will disappear. AND, US population growth will drop by 30%. It's a win-win.

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  108. My family is of Scottish ancestry- both sides. My scary brilliant niece is half Taiwanese. When she was just a toddler her blonde haired blue eyed father, and Chinese mother were walking with her at the beach. She saw the first negro she had ever seen, and immediately stuck out her lips, started bouncing up and down, grunting "OOOh-OOOh-OOOh" and did the monkey scratching his armpit gesture. I doubt the child had ever seen a monkey. Of course my brother and his wife were halfway between being mortified, and pissing themselves laughing. There was no way the kid could have "learned that at home". The response was instinctive. I don't know if the black guy was amused or not.

    JWM

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  109. @54. kurt9

    Also, I really do think the recent insanity at Americans universities is vaccine injury.

    I think it's more likely to be the result of kids being horrifically overmedicated with stuff like Prozac and Ritalin. We're turning kids into drug zombies.

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  110. Sheila4g wrote:@97 Miss Carnivorous: You might also consider that Asian men are accustomed to being bossed around by their wives. While in public Asian women don't usually demonstrate this to outsiders, they rule the roost at home re the children and the money.

    You are correct in your assessment for most Asian countries (although many Filipinas can be found who adhere to the Bible's stipulations about a wife's relationship to her husband). What most Westerners never realize is that Asian cultures are matriarchies disguised as patriarchies. The women can be demure and bow or wai all over the place in public, but in the home the women call the shots. Of course, neither the men nor the women of these cultures will ever admit it to a white foreigner.

    Cultures are more than just a few colorful dances and cuisine, they are truly found deep under the skin, including differences in (1) assumptions (2) quid pro quo, and (3) expectations. Any idiot Western male who thinks he can marry a compliant Oriental woman from an Asian culture has a big nasty surprise coming his way immediately after the marriage vows are said.

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  111. "They are in fact, "normal" - they view blacks as any objective observer would."

    Considering that the Chinese and Japanese have historically had a disdain for outsiders, their views on blacks and whites and reds is not surprising.

    "Its Whites who are so weird and brainwashed that they refuse to look facts in their face."

    Actually, most whites in the States aren't "brainwashed" when it comes to "die"-versity. They live healthy, generally content lives. Along the way, they come into contact with non-whites and get along with them fairly well.

    That's why it's insane when an SJW or the Alt-Right or anyone of the Coalition of the Fringes, to steal Sailer's label, takes one racial incident and makes a generalization about it. In the end, Americans will continue to live in a heterogenous society. Race war? Whatever...

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  112. So the commercial implies Asians are post-enlightenment Blacks? Or does it have something to do with ethnic cleansing?

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