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Monday, May 02, 2016

Gammas never lose

But sometimes they win in ways no one else can see. This probably belongs on Alpha Game, but since everyone here is familiar with the entire discussion that led up to it, I'm posting it here. In his response to my banning him, we learn that the recently-banned Camestros Felapton is not only an SJW, he is a Secret King Who Cannot Ever Lose Because Even When It Looks Like He's Losing, He Is Really Winning, You See.
Cool! Banned by Vox! I had to give Vox a little lesson on Aristole and logic the other day and now he seems to have got a tad upset with me.
Wow, how cool is that! See, Felapton wanted to be banned from the place that he had sought out on his own and where he was commenting repeatedly without invitation. That was his plan all along! The joke is on Vox! This is always the immediate reaction of the Gamma who has just been beaten in public; he immediately tries to spin the negative into a positive. And, of course, this spin requires an amount of historical revision; I clearly don't understand the great Greasean philologist Aristole as well as he does. SJWs being SJWs, we also have all three Laws of SJW on display.
  1. SJWs Always Lie: there are four obvious lies in the first three sentences. To say nothing of a classic Gamma tell.
  2. SJWs Always Double Down: instead of simply admitting that he was wrong and had failed to correctly understand Aristotle's distinction between dialectic and rhetoric, he continues to posture as some sort of expert on philosophy and logic. But does he have a Bachelor's Degree in the Philosophy of Science from the University of Chicago?
  3. SJWs Always Project. I'm not even remotely upset with Felapton. Quite to the contrary, I am amused by his utterly predictable Gamma behavior. As one observer commented yesterday, he's going to be looking for his chance to take a revenge shot for years.
Oopsie! The rationalization is because of the point I made on File770 regarding the Castalia House published work on Gene Wolfe:
This is close enough to the truth. Although "the lies I told" would have been a more accurate way for him to phrase it.
Vox claims this somehow ‘proves’ Larry Correia’s point about politics and the Hugos or something. Which is odd because the focus of my point was not Vox Day’s admittedly unpleasant and confused politics but his active campaign against the Hugo Awards and other science-fiction writers.
It does prove Larry's case. The focus of Felapton's point is irrelevant in this regard. Felapton admitted that he would be voting on grounds other than the literary merit of the works concerned. That concedes Larry's primary point. Larry argued, correctly, that the claims the Hugo Awards were awarded solely on the basis of merit were false, and moreover, that it was nothing but a popularity contest among a small group of people who leaned heavily to the political left. Although Felapton's point is irrelevant, it also happens to be wrong since my active campaign is entirely the result of politics in science fiction. Their dislike of my politics is the only reason Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Teresa Nielsen Hayden, and John Scalzi started this conflict by publicly attacking me back in 2005.
Sigh. That isn’t the genetic fallacy.The genetic fallacy is a fallacy of IRRELEVANCE that confuses the SOURCE of a claim with its VERACITY. There isn’t a factual claim at stake here – I’m not saying a factual claim made by an author is false by virtue of his publisher (e.g. if somebody was to say that a claim about Gene Wolfe in the book was false purely on the basis that the book was a Castalia House book THAT would be the genetic fallacy).

My claim is that I can’t reward obnoxious behavior by Castalia House. Nothing to do with the genetic fallacy. Vox concedes that I raise one valid point, which is that “there is no way of separating what is published by Castalia from how Castalia promotes itself and its published works.” That is the ethical basis of my position and Vox concedes that it is valid and not fallacious.
More posing. Felapton is trying to play fast and loose with both his claims and the applicability of the genetic fallacy here. As the tagline to his blog states, "even when we're being honest we come across as being disingenuous" and he is not being honest here. We know that he believes the Puppy nominees to be low-quality; he has openly said as much in the past. Now he is pretending that he doesn't necessarily believe that Castalia-published works are of insufficient quality to win awards, only that he "can't reward obnoxious behavior by Castalia House."

In other words, he is being disingenuous, and attempting to pretend that he is not claiming that a published work is not worthy of an award on the basis of its origins, it is simply that his pressing need to avoid rewarding what he believes to be obnoxious behavior just happens to justify precisely the same course of action. What a fortuitous coincidence!

However, he made a mistake. He did not merely say that he was not refusing to support Castalia-published works on the basis of their origins. He could have said, in response to my statement, "the genetic fallacy doesn't apply and here is why", but instead, he said "that isn’t the genetic fallacy" and then proceeded to adminster another of his little lessons. He tried to kill two birds with one stone and thus exposed his true intentions. Let's break it down:
  1. My claim is that Felapton has concluded Castalia-published works lack merit due to their origins.
  2. Felapton asserts that that is not his conclusion. Dubious, but possible.
  3. Felapton asserts that is not the genetic fallacy. Wrong.
He blundered because it wasn't enough for him to simply state that I failed to understand his motivation for no-awarding Castalia publications, he also tried to pretend that I don't understand the genetic fallacy because he is still smarting over my demonstration of his inability to understand rhetoric. Interesting word, smarting, in light of the typical gamma response to being intellectually bested.

As for Felapton's veracity and how seriously one should take his claims, well, his closing statement alone should suffice to judge that.
What is more interesting is Vox losing his cool. That is a major departure from his play book and poor tactics. He is actually rattled? Surely not by me, so I assume it must be by Philip Sandifer’s campaign.
As it is written, SJWs always lie. Felapton and others continue on that theme in the comments. Those in italics are his.
  • I suspect VD is completely panic stricken by Chuck Tingle
  • he tried the liberul-head-explody thing and then the liberul-heads didn’t explody
  • For a master of rhetoric, he has the debate strategy skills of a goldfish
  • He really can’t stand having people who know formal logic and rhetoric better than he does around
  • It’s also amusing to see him flailing around in his flop-sweat as you call him on being a serial bullshitter
The idea that I am "completely panic stricken by Chuck Tingle" is fascinating, considering that more than one journalist has contacted me this week to ask if I am Chuck Tingle. That "let's make their heads explode" thing is a Sad tactic, not a Rabid one; I don't care how SJWs feel about Chuck Tingle or anything else. Delenda est. As for my "debate strategy skills", well, there is this. And this.

UPDATE: Lunacy from one of the banned ones, Golden Flowers aka Micael Gustavsson. Talk about the Third Law!
Classic pathological narcissist – rubbing VD's nose in the fact that he’s spouting crap threatens his identity as the Bestest Argumentarian EVAH, so he has to double down and come up with more bullshit on why his admirers should ignore his previous bullshit. I suspect VD is completely panic stricken by Chuck Tingle, and is flailing around trying to restore his feeling of being in control. He can’t; having opened Pandora’s box he is stuck with Tingle until the sun goes nova.. When VD is “amused” you know he is really upset.

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114 Comments:

Blogger CM May 02, 2016 8:08 AM  

He really can’t stand having people who know formal logic and rhetoric better than he does around.

Lol

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2016 8:13 AM  

(Stands up) I am Chuck Tingle!

Anonymous Sensei May 02, 2016 8:16 AM  

What is more interesting is Vox losing his cool.

Where plain idiocy or actual thoughtful critique would not succeed in provoking the Supreme Dark Lord to exasperation, it can be done with reasonable consistency by a certain scalzic flavor of self-assured mid-wittery.

Blogger Happy Housewife May 02, 2016 8:22 AM  

He sounds like Vizzini from Princess Bride.

"Truly you have a dizzying intellect"
"Wait till I get going!"

Blogger VD May 02, 2016 8:24 AM  

it can be done with reasonable consistency by a certain scalzic flavor of self-assured mid-wittery.

What I find exasperating is not their posturing and squid-ink-squirting, but the fact that some people are dumb enough to fall for it. And then I have to remind myself that MPAI.

Blogger Salt May 02, 2016 8:24 AM  

Felapton once won a coin toss, and to this day relies on that as proof of his always correntness. Anyway, Jemisin's head might not have exploded but it sure spurged all over the Tingle twitter-verse.

Blogger SteelPalm May 02, 2016 8:25 AM  

I enjoy reading these and always get an amusing sense that Vox was an 18th century English Christian intellectual in a past life.

These types of rebuttals against one's enemies, mixing dialectic with rhetoric in the manner above, were very popular back then.

Incidentally, I tried to slog through a blog entry of Felapton's on why the Half Savage's most recent book is a classic. Unreadable garbage. Humorously, for a supposed sophisticated wit, Felapton makes many basic writing blunders, like writing "albeit" as "all be it".

Anonymous Determinator May 02, 2016 8:31 AM  

They really have no idea what to do with the whole Chick Tingle situation. The ultimate Xanatos gambit. Every single move they make is a "Heads we win, Tails you lose" for us. At this point the best they can hope for is to accept with dignity that he will win. Naturally they won't ever choose that option.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 02, 2016 8:36 AM  

He may wait years for revenge, but when that window opens, he is going to slam it shut on his fingers and shriek in victory, then black out.

Blogger VD May 02, 2016 8:36 AM  

They really have no idea what to do with the whole Chick Tingle situation.

Yeah, they haven't been able to reach a consensus on what the Narrative should be. My assumption is that they'll eventually settle on "oh, he's so funny, we love him and that just proves Vox is stupid, but he's just not quite worthy". And then vote No Award.

Blogger Student in Blue May 02, 2016 8:36 AM  

I'm still chuckling over the "panicked by Chuck Tingle" claim.

Blogger Gaiseric May 02, 2016 8:42 AM  

He'd be a lot better of conceding that Larry was right and then following it up with a "So what?"

Blogger VD May 02, 2016 8:44 AM  

He'd be a lot better of conceding that Larry was right and then following it up with a "So what?"

But then he wouldn't be a Secret King Who Never Loses. And worse, he'd violate the Narrative. This is why it is so easy to catch SJWs saying false and even stupidly false things. Their need to abide by the Narrative trumps everything else like "factually true" and "logically consistent". When forced to choose between truth and Narrative, they will choose the latter every time.

So, to beat them, give them that choice. They'll defeat themselves.

Anonymous DDT May 02, 2016 8:45 AM  

"Cool!" "Oopsie!" "Sigh."

You can tell a lot about someone's politics and personality in general by the first word they use to begin their replies.

For Flapper, "some cucky fruit" comes across loud and clear.

Blogger Shell May 02, 2016 8:46 AM  

I know I shouldn't be, but sometimes when I see comments such as those I am suprised by just how much one can be divorced from reality.
"Panicked by Chuck Tingle" indeed

Blogger Christopher Yost May 02, 2016 8:47 AM  

MPAI...Most People Are Idiots? It's my first guess. I live in Florida right now.

Anonymous malcolm May 02, 2016 8:53 AM  

but what do you answer the reporters when they ask you if you are Chuck Tingle?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 02, 2016 8:53 AM  

Scalzi needs to say it louder

Anonymous The wrong guy May 02, 2016 8:54 AM  

Je suis Chuck Tingle!

Blogger VD May 02, 2016 9:04 AM  

but what do you answer the reporters when they ask you if you are Chuck Tingle?

I think we're really all Chuck Tingle. I mean, if you think about it, all of us, together, make up the Tingleverse. Or at least this level of it.

LOVE IS REAL!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 02, 2016 9:09 AM  

I personally hope The Tingle brings out the looniest of their racial theorists as the narrative creator.

Blogger mushroom May 02, 2016 9:22 AM  

DDT wrote:"Cool!" "Oopsie!" "Sigh."

You can tell a lot about someone's politics and personality in general by the first word they use to begin their replies.

For Flapper, "some cucky fruit" comes across loud and clear.



I have the same reaction.

Anonymous Tinglesworth May 02, 2016 9:28 AM  

But then he wouldn't be a Secret King Who Never Loses

Vox Days always project?

Blogger VD May 02, 2016 9:32 AM  

Vox Days always project?

Not at all. I'm not afraid of losing. I'm a gamer, I've lost THOUSANDS of times. It's no big deal. I went into the debate with Dr. Miller fully prepared to lose. Losing doesn't bother me, as long as I perform reasonably well.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 02, 2016 9:32 AM  

Gammas never lose because Gammas never play but then again, they are never HARD enough to ever have a space raptor pound them in the butt.

So, pick KATYS PERRY even if confusion. Devilman is GAMMA.

OpenID denektenorsk May 02, 2016 9:39 AM  

He was also over at Larry's blog taking a big sh#t on the floor there too. They were none too impressed either.

I'm a late comer to the party. Completely disinterested to Rabid Puppy as of last fall (never been one for fan picked anything... my opinion of my peers tends to be low at the best of times). People like him are turning people like me even HARDer. Action, meet Reaction.

The amusement is definitely in this camp. I'm half the game theorist the Dark Lord is and I can see all sorts of fun options when you are not trying to win.... Bring on the voting rule changes. See how much they fix...

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 02, 2016 9:41 AM  

I'm still chuckling over the "panicked by Chuck Tingle" claim.

Yeah, talk about SJW projection and doubling down. The statement is nonsensical.

Vox is the one that recommended that Chuck Tingle be nominated for a Hugo.

Why in the world would Vox be panicked by his inclusion as a nominee, when Vox recommended that he be nominated?

Never mind not understanding the differences between rhetoric and dialectic, syllogisms, etc. These people cannot even make simple inferences.

Vox recommended Chuck Tingle be included as a nominee on the Hugo ballot, therefore his inclusion on that ballot would be something that Vox desired.

And the commentators on his blog all seem delighted with his inclusion, expressing much mirth and cheer.

Wow, say the Secret Kings, this Chuck Tingle thing is really working to our advantage!

Blogger VD May 02, 2016 9:42 AM  

He was also over at Larry's blog taking a big sh#t on the floor there too. They were none too impressed either.

That was part of why I banned him. It was patently obvious from his behavior at Monster Hunter and Mad Genius Club that he'd be pulling the same nonsense. Once I know someone is an SJW, that's all I really need to know.

OpenID denektenorsk May 02, 2016 9:43 AM  

Incidentally, I tried to slog through a blog entry of Felapton's on why the Half Savage's most recent book is a classic. Unreadable garbage. Humorously, for a supposed sophisticated wit, Felapton makes many basic writing blunders, like writing "albeit" as "all be it".

Isn't it supposedly written by his cat? I'd expect it be a bunch of yowling about nothing...

Anonymous Eduardo May 02, 2016 9:45 AM  

#WeAreTingle

XD. I couldn't hold it I had to do another inane sorry about that... Errr.... Who was that complained about it?

Memory loss I think.

But I find funny why the heck anyone would be afraid OF Tingle! I will be afraid FOR Tingle cause he might as well come dressed as a Raptor for the Hugos and G*d only knows what will happen... Oh my, can I still buy Tingle one of those Barney, the dinossaur fantasies? Barney is a raptor right?

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Totally off-topic but... 80's

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-4eT_0tnj1w

Anonymous Golden Flowers May 02, 2016 9:46 AM  

Classic pathological narcissist – rubbing VD's nose in the fact that he’s spouting crap threatens his identity as the Bestest Argumentarian EVAH, so he has to double down and come up with more bullshit on why his admirers should ignore his previous bullshit.

I suspect VD is completely panic stricken by Chuck Tingle, and is flailing around trying to restore his feeling of being in control. He can’t; having opened Pandora’s box he is stuck with Tingle until the sun goes nova..

When VD is “amused” you know he is really upset.

OpenID denektenorsk May 02, 2016 9:49 AM  

As I said I'm a late comer to the party so forgive me if this was a big thing last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZOWipBL0gM&feature=youtu.be

"I hope he wears a nice dress to commemorate the beginning of the motherfucking end!" - RE: McRapey celebrating last years "victory".

Anonymous Tingles don't project! May 02, 2016 9:50 AM  

We all can imagine the press's reaction if Vox says, "Love is real, buckaroos! Time to get hard with buds!"

Blogger Student in Blue May 02, 2016 9:53 AM  

Oh no no no Golden Flowers, keep talking.

We're laughing with you, not at you. I swear.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 02, 2016 9:57 AM  

They project that Vox is panicked because THEY don't know if Tingle is schizophrenic, a spoof or Vox himself.

Basically they are saying that Vox is panicked that Vox might be Tingle. It actually makes warped sense: SJWs frequently use false identities, promote those identities, but then are hoisted on their own identity petards in humiliating ways.

See also Trigglypuff, Shaun King, Rachel Dolezal, John "Heinlein" Scalzi, the Thousand Pieces guy, etc.

SJWs always project.

Upshot: any SJW who goes for the "panicked" narrative is promoting something phony that would humiliate him if it gets exposed.

Rhetorical response: "Your secret is obvious to everyone."

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 02, 2016 10:01 AM  

Unbelievable, Golden Flowers. You let it slip. Pray the police don't trace it back to you. "Just a misdemeanor" won't save your job.

Blogger El Borak May 02, 2016 10:12 AM  

I wonder if "Cool! Banned by Vox!" is some kind of a "Senpai noticed me" SJW positioning rhetoric. They are always wrestling for position, and being banned by the biggest, baddest SJW hunter (and living to tell the tale) has got to be worth something in that sick little warren.

"You were banned by Cernovich? Well I was banned by Vox himself. Bask in my rabbity glory, plebs."

Blogger jay c May 02, 2016 10:15 AM  

I've had some personal experience with an SJW in our Bible study group lately. They will twist anything and everything around to be a win for them or else play the persecuted victim, which is still a win. If they can't garner enough sympathy to get their way, they'll invent a whole alternate universe in which the imagined persecution becomes a cocoon and they a beautiful, misunderstood butterfly.

It's almost unbelievable to watch it unfold.

Blogger The Other Robot May 02, 2016 10:16 AM  

I expect that Felafel will very soon be editing the Wiki page on the Genetic Fallacy.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 02, 2016 10:22 AM  

El Borak wrote:I wonder if "Cool! Banned by Vox!" is some kind of a "Senpai noticed me" SJW positioning rhetoric.

Likely. I knew a guy who bragged about being banned from vegetarian and animal rights forums for posting his hunting pictures. It wasn't particularly brave or insightful to break the posting rules against pictures of dead animals and then get banned.

Anonymous Ain May 02, 2016 10:25 AM  

Felapton is the hapless knight, bereft of both arms and legs, believing himself to be winning as he rolls around on the ground, trying to bite his opponent's ankle. It's stupefying.

Anonymous BGBK May 02, 2016 10:29 AM  

No wonder leftists don't want kids to keep score in sports at school.

Perhaps you could make a sign up list for all that want to be banned. We should nominate Tracy Fullerton for the SJW list. She had the USC Cancelled an Awesome Video Game Panel because the only vagina scheduled to show called off sick.

"The University of Southern California cancelled its planned "Legends of the Games" event after the lone female participant signaled that she wouldn't be able to attend. Administrators made the determination that an all-male panel was unacceptable, and killed the event—a mere four hours before it was supposed to start... The panel would have included Jeffrey Kaplan of Blizzard, Brandon Beck of Riot Games, and David Stohl of Infinity Ward"

Nevertheless, Tracy Fullerton—Director of USC Games—believes her decision to cancel the event puts USC "on the right side of history,"

http://reason.com/blog/2016/04/29/usc-cancelled-an-awesome-video-game-pane

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx May 02, 2016 10:30 AM  

I'm a classic pathological narcissist – VD's rubbing my nose in the fact that I’m spouting crap threatens my identity as the Bestest Argumentarian EVAH, so I have to double down and come up with more bullshit on why my admirers should ignore my previous bullshit. VD suspects I'm completely panic stricken by Chuck Tingle, and I am flailing around trying to restore my feeling of being in control. I can’t; having opened Pandora’s box I am stuck with Tingle until the sun goes nova.. When I am “amused” you know I am really upset.

Blogger Nate May 02, 2016 10:33 AM  

Ted Cobbler's tricks can't fool us. Just more of the DevilMan Agenda trying to keep us from Kissing the Sky.

LOVE IS REAL

Blogger The Kurgan May 02, 2016 10:36 AM  


What I find exasperating is not their posturing and squid-ink-squirting, but the fact that some people are dumb enough to fall for it. And then I have to remind myself that MPAI.


THIS. A thousand times this. I am so frustrated by the average human I am about to make a whip and scourge them into the nearest church to repent and read the gospel!

And that's before I'm even baptised. Maybe I will take the new name Christian name: Torquemada.

Blogger Matthew and the Heaving Bosoms of Liberty May 02, 2016 10:37 AM  

The difficulty of this dumbass's very name betrays his secret kingness. No, I have no idea what it means. That's the point for him. His name is clever, and morons like us are going to have trouble remembering it, and we'll spell it wrong.

OpenID denektenorsk May 02, 2016 10:38 AM  


Ted Cobbler's tricks can't fool us. Just more of the DevilMan Agenda trying to keep us from Kissing the Sky.

LOVE IS REAL


Nate is Chuck Tingle! Well played sir.

OpenID basementhomebrewer May 02, 2016 10:39 AM  

Wait.... So can someone explain to me this great logician arrived at Vox being panicked by Tingle? The person who he put on the ballot.

The person who is very "problematic" for the SJWs because he is an outright parody, but due to their politics they are hesitant to no-award a potentially gay person?

I hope Tingle shows up for the Hugos and brings a date dressed in a raptor costume that is wearing a space suit and riding a Segway. The image of a segway riding, space suit wearing raptor rolling up on stage to accept an award will forever haunt the history of their "prestigious award".

OpenID denektenorsk May 02, 2016 10:40 AM  

"The University of Southern California cancelled its planned "Legends of the Games" event after the lone female participant signaled that she wouldn't be able to attend. Administrators made the determination that an all-male panel was unacceptable, and killed the event—a mere four hours before it was supposed to start... The panel would have included Jeffrey Kaplan of Blizzard, Brandon Beck of Riot Games, and David Stohl of Infinity Ward"

What??? I can't even. It's not like Vaginaed Americans were not allowed to participate, she bailed. Since plumbing is all that matters surely they could have found another Vaginaed American to fill in for her? Perhaps a black lesbian to really cover all of the basis?

Anonymous mature craig May 02, 2016 10:46 AM  

Re 946. What I get from VDs critics is that they are envious haters . don't be a hater.take the energy u use to be a hater and apply it to hard work in life so that u can achieve some kind of goal that u can be proud of

Blogger Salt May 02, 2016 10:55 AM  

Panic stricken by Chuck Tingle? If laughing so hard is symptomatic of panic striken, yeah, sure. I'd say the Ilk are massively panic striken all the way to the Hugos.

Anonymous Elipe May 02, 2016 10:58 AM  

Golden Flower, in no way was your post even parseable in English. Has your precious little snowflake brain been so overwhelmed with triggering that you couldn't think straight?

BGKB: Yep, SJWs would cancel an event rather than let it proceed beyond their control. "Right side of history" is SJW language for "under my control".

Blogger Ahazuerus May 02, 2016 11:04 AM  

@El Borak

I had a strange vision after reading your comment; a combination of Nate and Cartman.

"Who wants to touch the doll where Vox touched me? I said, who wants to touch the fucking doll?!?"

Anonymous Athor Pel May 02, 2016 11:32 AM  

" Blogger Matthew and the Heaving Bosoms of Liberty May 02, 2016 10:37 AM ...
morons like us are going to have trouble remembering it, and we'll spell it wrong."



No we won't. It was Fappington.
But it could be Fupaflapaton as well.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 02, 2016 11:32 AM  

Tinglestricken.

OpenID georgekirby May 02, 2016 11:39 AM  

If I was Timothy the cat, I would double down. Current vandalism and reaction to it has nothing to do with Correia's tin hat theory.

Anonymous Philalethes May 02, 2016 11:40 AM  

@ 45.  Matthew
The difficulty of this dumbass's very name betrays his secret kingness. No, I have no idea what it means. That's the point for him. His name is clever, and morons like us are going to have trouble remembering it, and we'll spell it wrong.

FYI: Wikipedia

Camestros and Felapton appear to be two types of Syllogisms, thus using them as an online name would advertise ones mastery of the form? They look like Greek (καμεστρος? φελαπτον?), but I've been unable to determine the meanings/translations of them via Google Translate (which just transliterates) or online Greek-English dictionary. (Google searches mostly bring up this writer's Internet presence. How many billion pages are there on the Internet now, but nowhere are these words defined?)

Blogger tweell May 02, 2016 11:51 AM  

That SJW needs to do more than skim Aristotle's work, his deficiencies in understanding were immediately obvious. That's assuming that Felapton is capable of more than a superficial understanding, and I'm rethinking that assumption.

Yet another SJW scalp collected, while the erstwhile owner feebly complains that they won in their special alternate reality. Thanks for the entertainment, Vox!

Blogger Matthew and the Heaving Bosoms of Liberty May 02, 2016 12:03 PM  

Look, picking a good pseudonym is easy.

Anonymous Bz May 02, 2016 12:09 PM  

A new Gamma King has arisen ... "His power levels are off the charts!"

Though I can't figure out why he named himself Fapton?

Anonymous Anonymous May 02, 2016 12:13 PM  

Maybe it's me but Felapton sounds like some sort of weird sexual perversion.

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier May 02, 2016 12:17 PM  

Vox Day and his Ilk are really just outside these dudes' understanding of the universe. They can't comprehend the possibilities.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 02, 2016 12:20 PM  

I am not currently, nor have I ever been, the Hugo Award Nominated Dr. Chuck Tingle.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 02, 2016 12:23 PM  

VD has enough dress wearing enemies to make a Red Hot Chili Peppers tribute band

Anonymous PUMPsix May 02, 2016 12:23 PM  

I can't stand it when people debate like this: "liberul-head-explody". I don't even know what a gamma is, but it would be that.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 02, 2016 12:33 PM  

@37 jay c

I've had some personal experience with an SJW in our Bible study group lately.
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Is there anything in the Bible against punching an SJW infiltrator in a Bible class in the mush?

Blogger Dave May 02, 2016 12:33 PM  

For someone completely panic stricken by Chuck Tingle, you sure were cool with the Tingling splattered all across the comments the past week.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 02, 2016 12:38 PM  

@41 BGBK

I planned on investigating that one - thanks for the lead.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 02, 2016 12:40 PM  

@42 Spartacus xxxxx

I'm a classic pathological narcissist – VD's rubbing my nose in the fact that I’m spouting crap threatens my identity as the Bestest Argumentarian EVAH, so I have to double down and come up with more bullshit on why my admirers should ignore my previous bullshit. VD suspects I'm completely panic stricken by Chuck Tingle, and I am flailing around trying to restore my feeling of being in control. I can’t; having opened Pandora’s box I am stuck with Tingle until the sun goes nova.. When I am “amused” you know I am really upset.
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You are an excellent distiller of SJW bullshit :P

You are the internet version of a compost sifter!

Blogger Were-Puppy May 02, 2016 12:42 PM  

@46 denektenorsk

Nate is Chuck Tingle! Well played sir.
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And Porky is Cobbler!

Anonymous cameltoefaceplant May 02, 2016 12:45 PM  

@58 Look, picking a good pseudonym is easy.


Can confirm.

Blogger BunE22 May 02, 2016 12:55 PM  

I replied to a comment at GRRM's LiveJournal after nominations were made public. My reply was awaiting approval before it was disappeared.


yagathai
April 27 2016, 17:45:14 UTC Edited: April 27 2016, 17:49:33 UTC COLLAPSE
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In general I'm for evaluating each work on its merits, but I categorically refuse to consider anything pubbed by Castalia for a Hugo. VD is a white supremacist and a violent (or at least violence-advocating) misogynist. He's pro-apartheid and anti-women's suffrage. Anything published by his house is tainted by association.
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April 27 2016, 17:50:03 UTC COLLAPSE
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That's fair, and it seems to me legitimate to include being published by VD as one of the 'merits' of the work.
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Bunny Gee
April 27 2016, 18:12:56 UTC COLLAPSE
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White supremacist? You do know that VD is part Native American Indian and part Mexican?

So you can't look at his work, or his publisher's, because you don't like his politics, isn't that what the RP have been saying has been going on with Hugo nominations? Seems you've proved their point for them.

Blogger The Rev May 02, 2016 1:07 PM  

Vox is in more danger of being violated by Space Raptors than of panicking about Chuck Tingle.

OpenID denektenorsk May 02, 2016 1:08 PM  


@46 denektenorsk

Nate is Chuck Tingle! Well played sir.
---

And Porky is Cobbler!


Since Nate has not yet refuted my claims I think I'm onto something here.

Blogger GK Chesterton May 02, 2016 1:24 PM  

I'm at a loss why any of us would be upset about Tingle. Yes, I'm never _reading him_ (and those of you who have should perform some sort of public and humiliating penance) but the results are hilarious. If we want "delenda est" why is this a problem?

Anonymous Rick Atlas May 02, 2016 1:25 PM  

Who wouldn't be panicked by Chuck Tingle? Don't all of us experience a thrill of wild terror before opening a door at the thought that He might be there waiting? Haven't all of us dreamed of Him as Godzilla trampling all the nation's safe-spaces and gun-free-zones as he chases a giant statue of Abraham Lincoln holding the Washington Monument in his arms. Aren't all of us maddened with anxiety that the words "I am Chuck Tingle!" will violently explode out of us at any random moment.

Soon, we begin to see Chuck Tingle everywhere. That's him in the car beside us. That's him on TV. There he is playing baseball. He's even in the mirror when we shave. Right now, he's whispering "love is real" into your ear as he strokes your back. He's everywhere. And now he's there with you.

Blogger Dave May 02, 2016 1:32 PM  

"Voxman" has popped up on Chuck Tingle's twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/727161680149377024


According to Chuck; Voxman is Kenna Reeves proud dad (of the Matrix). Chuck was told by his son to LEARN about the Hugo situation.

Blogger John Wright May 02, 2016 1:44 PM  

"The difficulty of this dumbass's very name betrays his secret kingness. No, I have no idea what it means. "

I do, because I am actually what he pretends to be, a master of logic. His name is two of the Latin forms of syllogism.

Camestros is AEO, universal affirmative followed by universal negative leading to a particular negative conclusion. (All men are mortal; no gods are mortal; some men are not gods.)

Felapton is not a sexual malfunction, but a syllogism of the third figure EOA: universal negative, universal affirmative, particular negative. (No men are gods; all men are mortal; some mortals are not gods.)

I assume it is by design that he selects the weakened forms for his name. Both forms deduce particulars where universals would be justified.

Ironically, he is correct that an enthymeme is an incomplete syllogism where the missing step is understood, but Vox is also correct that an enthymeme is a rhetorical form.

Vox's instance on the division between rhetoric and dialectic was irrelevant (as was the accusation in the original post that his attitude toward wetbacks was a mental illness of paranoia).

The argument, as an argument, the fool gave was logically correct: Vox's amusement at being called paranoid about Aztecs (Mexicans) is only valid in all cases if Mexicans are never paranoid about Mexicans.

However, as evidence about the likelihood that he is paranoid about Mexicans, the fact that he is part Mexican lends weight to the conclusion that he is not paranoid, since it is unlikely (even if not syllogistically impossible) that a man be paranoid about his own kin.

But Vox's point about rhetoric was weightier, because, of course, 'paranoid' was being used in the original post as a code word for 'racist.'

While one can be paranoid about members of one's own race, being racist about one's own race is a bit of a paradox.

But the motte-and-bailey attack the fool was setting up would have been ill served by pointing that out: he would have simply lied and denied that 'paranoid' was a code word for 'racist' even though it was obviously so.

But all that to one side, let us give credit where credit is due: the pederast's definition of enthymeme was correct.

Here is a useful website listing the forms of rhetoric:

http://rhetoric.byu.edu/Figures/Figures-Groupings.htm

and here the entry for Enthymeme:

http://rhetoric.byu.edu/Figures/E/enthymeme.htm

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2016 1:51 PM  

Ahazuerus wrote:@El Borak

I had a strange vision after reading your comment; a combination of Nate and Cartman.

"Who wants to touch the doll where Vox touched me? I said, who wants to touch the fucking doll?!?"


Interesting that you experienced that as a short vision, as that's where the best intuitions come from in my experience.

Interpretation: The dynamic you're sensing is status whoring in a milieu where victims are dominant, i.e. social justice whoring. If victims are dominant, then the most dominant person is a molested child. The anger comes from your sense that he's a neurotic who's lost his cool and is doubling down on his moral authority.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2016 1:53 PM  

Dave wrote:"Voxman" has popped up on Chuck Tingle's twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/727161680149377024

According to Chuck; Voxman is Kenna Reeves proud dad (of the Matrix). Chuck was told by his son to LEARN about the Hugo situation.



Marvelous.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 02, 2016 1:58 PM  

Matthew and the Heaving Bosoms of Liberty wrote:Look, picking a good pseudonym is easy.

Yours would be a good band name.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 02, 2016 2:09 PM  

These shock-troop SJW's cling ever more tenaciously to The Narrative. Day by day, little by little, inch by inch, the confrontation keeps getting distilled down to its essentials, which is power and who wields it. The left has forced this situation... they simply can't help themselves to do otherwise. Lately people such as VD, Trump, Auster, and others have stepped forward to shed real clarity on the differences, after decades of willfull obfuscation by leftists and their useful idiots. Soon there will come a point where there are only two clearly demarcated opponents, and the only way forward will be for one side to eradicate the other.

Blogger John Wright May 02, 2016 2:14 PM  

"They look like Greek "

Nope. Part of a dense Latin mnemonic of the logical forms.

Barbara, Celarent, Darii, Ferioque prioris
Cesare, Camestres, Festino, Baroco secundae
Tertia grande sonans recitat Darapti, Felapton
Disamis, Datisi, Bocardo, Ferison. Quartae
Sunt Bamalip, Calames, Dimatis, Fesapo, Fresison.

The first three vowels indicate the quantity and quality of the three propositions which go to make a syllogism, a standing for the universal affirmative, e for the universal negative, i for the particular affirmative, and o for the particular negative.

The initial consonant of each formula after the first four indicates that the mood is to be reduced to that mood among the first four which has the same initial.

S appearing immediately after a vowel indicates that the corresponding proposition is to be converted simply during reduction, while P in the same position indicates that the proposition is to be converted partially or per accidens, and M between the first two vowels of a formula indicates that the premisses are to be transposed.

C appearing after one of the first two vowels indicates that the corresponding premiss is to be replaced by the negative of the conclusion for the purpose of a reduction per impossibile.

Perhaps the best mnemonic ever devised. The quality, quantity, mood, conversion, and reduction of all valid forms of syllogism in a hand four-line rhyme.

Blogger Alexander May 02, 2016 2:26 PM  

I think it boils down to Camestros Felapton doesn't know any HARD buds and so doesn't know LOVE IS REAL.

It's easy to understand how a BUCKAROO lost in the dark can be banged in the BUTT by the Devilman Agenda.

~ Vile Minion (name of Alexander)

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 02, 2016 2:27 PM  

First Vox and we dont care, we do not react unless needed. We or Vox, mostly Vox (as I'm a lightweight) reacts with this strange things called dialectic and logic.

"Felapton is trying to play fast and loose with both his claims and the applicability of the genetic fallacy here."

Yes, he played poorly with a high intel AWCA host and lost. Gamma's constantly prove my points or issues with avoiding them at all costs. Although our host didn't even bother with AWCA but used simple points from SJWALie.

Wow, just, wow.

Larry, Vox and CH have done no wrong.

Blogger Dave May 02, 2016 2:54 PM  

@Alexander

Admit it, you are Chuck Tingle.

Anonymous TheSmokingMan#3424 May 02, 2016 3:02 PM  

Truckman wants you to think @alexander is the Chuck Tingle

Anonymous Longtime Lurker May 02, 2016 3:07 PM  

After the Hugo nominations were announced, infighting among resident SJWs at Scalzi's blog became so intense that Scalzi abruptly reduced the active comment period from 10 days to 2. Scalzi also withdrew himself from the affray until June. Said he has some writing to do.

If the reaction at Scalzi's blog is any indication, Vox's strategy is hitting with serious effect. It's like the SJWs have been pinned on the horns of a dilemma and don't know what to do, except throw sand in the bull's eyes.

Blogger James Dixon May 02, 2016 3:16 PM  

Speaking anti-immigration candidates, we may soon stop hearing the Trump can't beat Hillary refrain: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-leads-clinton-by-two-points-in-rasmussen-poll/ar-BBswIB2?li=BBnb7Kz

Blogger Alexander May 02, 2016 3:22 PM  

@84

I wish. But yes - any whisperings that I am he is the manipulations of the Truckman.

We know that VOXMAN is not Dr. Tingle, but the true identity remains at large.

Blogger James Dixon May 02, 2016 3:27 PM  

Hmm, wrong thread. Rats.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 02, 2016 3:38 PM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:After the Hugo nominations were announced, infighting among resident SJWs at Scalzi's blog became so intense that Scalzi abruptly reduced the active comment period from 10 days to 2. Scalzi also withdrew himself from the affray until June. Said he has some writing to do.


Scalzi is also behind on the two books he has to have ready for 2017. He's getting off social media in hopes to catch up. He needs two best sellers in 2017 and he has less than seven months to pull it off.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker May 02, 2016 3:53 PM  

Broken Arrow wrote: "Scalzi is also behind on the two books he has to have ready for 2017. He's getting off social media in hopes to catch up. He needs two best sellers in 2017 and he has less than seven months to pull it off."

Two best sellers in 2017? That's like trying to hit back-to-back home runs in the same inning. Scalzi is not a bad writer, but he's not exactly a household name either.

Blogger The Sasquatch May 02, 2016 4:01 PM  

"Slammed in the butt by Chuck Tingle Panic" to be released soon, followed shortly thereafter by "Slammed in the butt by my book 'Slammed in the butt by Chuck Tingle Panic,'" and then "Slammed in the butt by panic over my book 'Slammed in the butt by my book 'Slammed in the butt by Chuck Tingle Panic,'"

Anonymous Slapdragon May 02, 2016 4:01 PM  

Philalethes: "Camestros and Felapton appear to be two types of Syllogisms, thus using them as an online name would advertise ones mastery of the form? They look like Greek (καμεστρος? φελαπτον?), but I've been unable to determine the meanings/translations of them via Google Translate."

They will not translate because they are made-up Latin-sounding names used as memory devices to help students memorize the mood of the syllogism. For example, the vowels in the name "Felapton" (a 3rd figure syllogism) show that the mood of the syllogism is "E,A,O"

"E" indicates "nEgo" (which means that the major premise of the syllogism is an E-statement because it is a negative and universal proposition).

"A" indicates "Affirmo" (which means that the minor premise is an A-statement because it is affirmative and particular).

"O" indicates "negO" (which means that the conclusion of the argument is an O-statement because it is both negative and particular).

Of course, "I" would indicate "affIrmo" (being affirmative and particular) in other syllogism names. There are nineteen mnemonic names all of which using E,A,I and O as the vowels. Some of the consonants in these syllogism names serve as memory devices to remind logic students what steps to take in order to reduce 2nd, 3rd and 4th figure syllogisms into 1st figure syllogisms (but I'm not going to go into that). Camestros, of course, is the AEO mood.

TL;DR version --- the terms do not translate in Google translate because they are made-up words that merely serve as mnemonic devices.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx May 02, 2016 4:31 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@42 Spartacus xxxxx

I'm a classic pathological narcissist – VD's rubbing my nose in the fact that I’m spouting crap threatens my identity as the Bestest Argumentarian EVAH, so I have to double down and come up with more bullshit on why my admirers should ignore my previous bullshit. VD suspects I'm completely panic stricken by Chuck Tingle, and I am flailing around trying to restore my feeling of being in control. I can’t; having opened Pandora’s box I am stuck with Tingle until the sun goes nova.. When I am “amused” you know I am really upset.

---

You are an excellent distiller of SJW bullshit :P

You are the internet version of a compost sifter!



It was an easy flip. Vox cued it by invoking the 3rd Law of SJW, SJWs Always Project. I merely engaged the Projection Detection by Pronoun Redirection Device. This one is a near-perfect example.

Anonymous Steve May 02, 2016 5:23 PM  

Scalzi is also behind on the two books he has to have ready for 2017. He's getting off social media in hopes to catch up. He needs two best sellers in 2017 and he has less than seven months to pull it off.

Maybe he can persuade Dr. Tingle to ghostwrite them.

Blogger Jon M May 02, 2016 5:51 PM  

Thank you for this, Vox. Speaking as one of the most delta-esque of deltas around, these kinds of posts are always a much appreciated reminder to stop, take stock, and make sure that I'm not (back?) sliding into any gamma habits. As a midwit myself, surrounded by those of average and below intellect, it can been tempting to get cocky from time to time. This sort of kick in the pants serves as a reminder to keep things honest and admit defeat like a man when it happens.

Blogger Wallace Beamfire May 02, 2016 6:29 PM  

Anyone else notice the linguistic similarities between Chuck Tingle and Robert Hamburger? This is obscure, but I trust the ilk are well versed:

Real Ultimate Power

Robert was always an unusual fellow.

Anonymous Philalethes May 02, 2016 6:47 PM  

@76 @81 John Wright; @93 Slapdragon

Thanks. Wow. Very medieval; I can just see a bunch of students in black robes around a rough-hewn tavern table with tankards of ale, arguing this stuff. Very Carmina Burana. Beyond me, but I guess I'm glad somebody figured it out.

I figured them for Greek because of the endings -os & -on, which are not usual in Latin, iirc.

Anyway, thinking it through enriched enjoyment of the rhetorical exchange.

OpenID basementhomebrewer May 02, 2016 6:49 PM  

Wallace Beamfire wrote:Anyone else notice the linguistic similarities between Chuck Tingle and Robert Hamburger? This is obscure, but I trust the ilk are well versed:

Real Ultimate Power

Robert was always an unusual fellow.


I knew I recognized the style but couldn't quite place it. I would suspect that either Mr. Tingle was a reader of Real Ultimate Power and decided to mimic the style or he could be one and the same. There were also myriad of parody/spin off sites written in the same style so he could have been the author of one of those as well.

Blogger newanubis May 02, 2016 7:06 PM  

This punk is wallowing in his 15 minutes despite being thrashed and bested. I mean damn, do you have even a moticum of pride? Humility? Veracity?
No. Nope. And never.

Again, while I used to maintain that despite bravado and posing, the issuer knew in the quiet of their own thoughts it was a lie, an illusion. In essence, that one cannot fool themselves.

Now however, through the illumination provided at this site, I see that there are not just a few, but a frightening amount of people who are actually and truly disconnected from reality. I suppose they'Re internal dialogue boils down to 'misunderstood' and as such congregate with the other delusionals.

Gammas. SJWs. Communists,Bolsheviks,utopians, etc. Varying monikers, varying triggers, similar synaptic chaos.

Blogger newanubis May 02, 2016 7:06 PM  

This punk is wallowing in his 15 minutes despite being thrashed and bested. I mean damn, do you have even a moticum of pride? Humility? Veracity?
No. Nope. And never.

Again, while I used to maintain that despite bravado and posing, the issuer knew in the quiet of their own thoughts it was a lie, an illusion. In essence, that one cannot fool themselves.

Now however, through the illumination provided at this site, I see that there are not just a few, but a frightening amount of people who are actually and truly disconnected from reality. I suppose they'Re internal dialogue boils down to 'misunderstood' and as such congregate with the other delusionals.

Gammas. SJWs. Communists,Bolsheviks,utopians, etc. Varying monikers, varying triggers, similar synaptic chaos.

Anonymous Dorsey May 02, 2016 7:43 PM  

Harsh, you ain't smart enough or witty enough to be Chuck Tingle.

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2016 8:12 PM  

Harsh, you ain't smart enough or witty enough to be Chuck Tingle.

A buckaroo can dream, can't he...

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2016 8:22 PM  

Is there anything in the Bible against punching an SJW infiltrator in a Bible class in the mush?

I'm pretty sure it's encouraged. Corinthians IIRC...

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson May 02, 2016 8:33 PM  

@76 John Wright

Well, I was going to be that guy, because it appeared to me that Felapton's understanding of the enthymeme was correct, but this appears to explain everything sufficiently.

Blogger John Wright May 02, 2016 8:35 PM  

"Well, I was going to be that guy, because it appeared to me that Felapton's understanding of the enthymeme was correct, but this appears to explain everything sufficiently."

Instead, I ended up being 'that guy' ahead of you. I should have waited.

Blogger Atomic Agent 13 May 02, 2016 10:01 PM  

What is it with Gamma's putting a "y" after words? I mean "explody"? Totally cringey worthy.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 03, 2016 12:10 AM  

surely they could have found another Vaginaed American to fill in for her?

Which raises the question: do they actually have to have a vagina, or is it enough that they just identify as a vagina?

Er, I mean, identify as having a vagina.

As to Felapton (John Wright, I'm pretty sure that actually etymology aside, in this case, it is a sexual dysfunction, or at least ought to be), what's the old saying? It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but damn near impossible to win one with a fool. Short of a right cross to the chops anyway.

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson May 03, 2016 12:40 AM  

@106 John Wright

No, I mean "that guy" asking questions, because I was confused, but you explained it.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 03, 2016 1:20 AM  

Matthew and the HBL: "morons like us are going to have trouble remembering it, and we'll spell it wrong."

I figure "Cameltoes a'Flappin'" is close enough....

Anonymous Bukulu May 03, 2016 4:52 AM  

Were-puppy:

"Is there anything in the Bible against punching an SJW infiltrator in a Bible class in the mush?"

Yes. Aren't we told to turn our other cheeks?

Blogger John rockwell May 04, 2016 3:56 AM  

As a dog returns to his vomit. So does a fool return to his folly

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