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Monday, May 09, 2016

Immigration, feminism, and dyscivilization

Stefan Molyneux mentioned some telling statistics concerning the timing of the rapid increase in illegitimate births. This chart shows the percentage of illegitimate births, which have risen by an order of magnitude, from 4 percent in the 1940s and 1950s to 41 percent in 2010.


Notice the giant leap between 1960 and 1970. This cannot be entirely the result of feminism, but is likely a combination of a) the War on Poverty, b) the 1965 Immigration reform act, and c) feminism. The rise in illegitimacy is closely correlated with the changing racial demographics.

It is worth noting that the great brown hope of the equalitarians, mixed-race children, tend to be illegitimate and grow up without fathers. That isn't exactly a sound set of building blocks on which to base a stable society. There hasn't been a lot of research in this regard, but it is has been reported that 92 percent of biracial children with black fathers are illegitimate; 97 percent when the mothers are white. Even worse, only two percent of black fathers financially support biracial children or their white mothers, whether or not they marry them.
While it is merely anecdotal support for this study, you may recall how I noticed at Paris Disneyland that virtually no mixed-race children had a father with them. I saw many white children with white mothers and fathers, I saw several black children with black mothers and fathers, but with one exception, the mixed-race children were only accompanied by their mothers.
The situation is clearly not sustainable. Society will never be a functional brown equalitarian version of historical white American society. The concept is not even remotely credible given the observable evidence. This multiracial illegitimacy alone is sufficient to indicate why racial segregation is inevitable regardless of how anyone feels about it.

Homogeneous socities arise from heterogeneous societies because the latter are structurally inclined towards collapse. US society simply cannot survive in its current form; the stagnation and decline the USA has experienced to date is only beginning, as the effects of this 50-year destruction of the family are not even close to fully realized yet.

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124 Comments:

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 09, 2016 8:14 AM  

Children, what do we say when we meet a nice man?

"Are you my daddy?"

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 8:14 AM  

The one great historical truth about mixed children is that neither side accepts them.

For once the great liberal slogan is appropriate: Think of the children.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 8:16 AM  

Only people whose ancestors spent most of the last 50,000 years in Europe (esp. the last 500 inside the Hajnal Line) are capable of CHOOSING, much less sustaining Western Civilization. Multiculturists are thus either actively evil or utterly ignorant, because the other civilization choices do not and cannot sustain this modern world.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 09, 2016 8:23 AM  

I'm not really sure how to ask this question...

Why would any community choose to have so many illegitimate kids? No other choice? Stupidity?

My white friends that do it, a fast growing number among the younger ones, boggle my mind.

Blogger VD May 09, 2016 8:24 AM  

Why would any community choose to have so many illegitimate kids? No other choice? Stupidity?

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

Blogger Flavius Aetius May 09, 2016 8:28 AM  

What happened to the dataset in the early 90s?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 8:29 AM  

Every time I see a mixed race kid I feel pity that the kid's parents were so ignorant or caught-up in Pop Culture herd behavior that they produced a kid who is doomed to No Man's Land. Pity most the half-black kid who gets the lion's share of behavioral genetic code from the African half. The sociopath who shot the white woman returning from a Wisconsin Dells family vacation on I-90 two weeks ago is a perfect example: Mystery-meat skin (Asian/Aztec/Black?) wrapping utterly black barbarism.
http://fox6now.com/2016/05/04/charges-filed-against-zachary-hays-accused-in-murder-in-west-allis-drive-by-shooting-on-i-9094/

Blogger Ahazuerus May 09, 2016 8:31 AM  

@1

Don't you know that there are no nice men?

/snark

Anonymous aero May 09, 2016 8:35 AM  

This is why we need to have more Muslims come into this country. They are allowed to have more then one wife the wife is his personal property.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 8:39 AM  

I like le Chateau's conclusions about tattoos on women, and note that from illegitimacy to drug use, gambling, the Alpha Carousel, etc., there is unlikely to be a time in the past where people could choose from more ways to destroy themselves.

Pop culture today could have been designed by Jim Jones as People's Temple church pot-luck smorgasbord.

This makes those who reject such herd-animal temptations all the more superior.

When everyone around you seems hell-bent on suicide-by-indelible-increment, he or she who rejects such folly then shines like a star.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 09, 2016 8:39 AM  

@ dc.sunsets

My grandfather was half english, half fijian. His father worked for the foreign office as a diplomat who "went native" so they left Fiji and moved to New Zealand. As a consequence my grandfather was raised in the style of an English gentleman and he oassed this rather stern child-rearing style on to my father.

I'm an 8th Fijian but the rest is all british of various sorts and I have no distinguishing marks of my mixed ethnicity other than a propensity to tan very quickly.

My point is that it's not mixed blood that's the problem but adherence to inferior culture.

Blogger clk May 09, 2016 8:43 AM  

Lets start with a definition - Illegitimate means a child born to parents that are not married - nothing more, nothing less. With declining rates of marriage but no apparent decrease in birth rates isn't this an expected observation ? Its an antiquated term ...



Anonymous JR NRA May 09, 2016 8:49 AM  

Vox, given that you and your offspring are mixed race - what's the best course of action? (I have half-brown kids myself, but they’re being raised by unabashedly American, God-fearing, Alt-Right Ilk father and a traditional conservative Catholic mother).

Is the only viable option fit in with the whiteys or are we truly fucked? (I certainly can’t see myself picking the Latin side)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 09, 2016 8:53 AM  

#11 Sorry bro, Old Debil genetics are making a comeback, who doesn't want better? Now the Blank Slate Theory the fairytale of the busy body and tyrant alike is trending down.

Breeding matters (genetics primarily), always has always will, only the goyimkopf believe the fairy tales being spun today. And what do we end up with from these barnyard matings but Trigglypuffs and Scalzis, boo hiss.

Anonymous CruzCrew7 May 09, 2016 8:54 AM  

Is "Vox Day" a Christian? Let's ask Dr. Moore:

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A White Church No More
By RUSSELL MOORE MAY 6, 2016

YEARS ago, members of a Southern Baptist church in suburban Birmingham, Ala., who couldn’t figure out why their church was in decline asked a friend of mine for advice. The area had been majority white during the violent years of Jim Crow. While civil rights protesters were beaten and children were blown apart by bombs, church members had said nothing. That would be “political,” church members said, and they wanted to stick to “simple gospel preaching.”

As the years marched on, the area became majority black. The congregation dwindled to a small band of elderly whites who now lived elsewhere. They tried, they said, to “reach out” to the church’s African-American neighbors, but couldn’t get them to join.

A canvass of the area would have told them that the church had already sent a message to those neighbors when it had stood silent in the face of atrocity. Those neighbors now had no interest in bailing out a congregation with a ministry too cowardly to speak up for righteousness when it had seemed too costly to do so.

As of this week, the nation faces a crazier election season than many of us ever imagined, with Donald J. Trump as the all-but-certain nominee of the Republican Party. Regardless of the outcome in November, his campaign is forcing American Christians to grapple with some scary realities that will have implications for years to come.

This election has cast light on the darkness of pent-up nativism and bigotry all over the country. There are not-so-coded messages denouncing African-Americans and immigrants; concern about racial justice and national unity is ridiculed as “political correctness.” Religious minorities are scapegoated for the sins of others, with basic religious freedoms for them called into question. Many of those who have criticized Mr. Trump’s vision for America have faced threats and intimidation from the “alt-right” of white supremacists and nativists who hide behind avatars on social media.

The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech did not envision that more than 50 years later “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters or that a major presidential candidate would tweet racially charged comments. Some American Christians may be tempted to ignore these issues, hoping they are just a wave of “political incorrectness” that will ebb in due time. That sort of moral silence shortchanges both our gospel and our future.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/opinion/a-white-church-no-more.html

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 8:55 AM  

@11 bastard cultures are inferior.
Note the stats don't include dead babies - abortions. Also note the fertility rates.

And speaking of feminazis, yes it is Feminism - Molyneux himself looks at Europe and says men won't fight for these harpies. He thinks (hopes?) they will come to their senses.

It is women who ruin everything, including civilization. And they are the only ones who can save it.

As to why, subsidized stupidity. The state is the all-father. When women weren't paid, they didn't have babies.

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 8:56 AM  

Note how the state jumps in with cash and prizes for bastards, but only a small tax deduction for wedlock

Blogger The Kurgan May 09, 2016 8:57 AM  

I think the present times are a herald to the requirement for consciously choosing Christianity and salvation, or not, and damnation.

Which is precursor to the end times of course. Which none may know when they come, but I expect they will take a long time in human years.

Blogger VD May 09, 2016 8:59 AM  

My point is that it's not mixed blood that's the problem but adherence to inferior culture.

You're wrong. The mixed blood creates a predisposition to incline towards the inferior culture, as well as creates susceptibility to whatever the genetic disadvantages there might be.

Vox, given that you and your offspring are mixed race - what's the best course of action?

It totally depends what your options are. It was easy for me. I can pass for a broad range of nationalities; anything from English to Italian. People couldn't tell what I was even before I had multi-lingual capabilities.

Raise them to fear God, love the truth, and value Western civilization.

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 9:00 AM  

> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/opinion/a-white-church-no-more.html

A bunch of atheists presuming to tell Christians what they should preach, and they expect us to listen?

Blogger VD May 09, 2016 9:02 AM  

Is "Vox Day" a Christian? Let's ask Dr. Moore

I could not possibly care less what a deceiver like Dr. Moore says.

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 09, 2016 9:03 AM  

CruzCrew7, not only is the quoted article a rambling load of crap, it's off topic as well. What, if anything, does it have to do with hordes of illegitimate black kids?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 09, 2016 9:03 AM  

#13 You could instruct your kids on proper beneficial "breeding", and hopefully they see the benefits. With our kid her mother and her watched those whose your daddy shows as examples of what not to do and the consequences. And trust me the kids know that going black means single motherhood, they even pass around an E-card humorously mocking such relationships.

And lastly to all those tortured souls of the Blank Slate Fairytale cult, why is it that today's politics are about chasing down the last white person?

Blogger Rick67 May 09, 2016 9:05 AM  

Not quite what you are discussing here - one of the more stressful parts of parish ministry is ministering with people who come to the church seeking financial assistance. Usually we ask for a simple application (and a team decides whether to help, and how much). The vast majority are single-moms-with-children. We see a small number of single men, nearly always playing the system and scamming us for a handout. Almost none are families with a married couple. Anecdotal, but after doing this for 17 years the anecdotes start adding up to a strong noticeable pattern.

Anonymous Bobby Farr May 09, 2016 9:11 AM  

So the problems of blacks are a result of the legacy of slavery and white racism and yet the bulk of their dysfunction waited over a century to materialize. It is almost as if the welfare state, war on drugs and war on labor via immigration may have played a role. But I guess blaming liberals and big government doesn't sell as well in elections as blaming whitey and promising free stuff.

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 9:12 AM  

> Anecdotal, but after doing this for 17 years the anecdotes start adding up to a strong noticeable pattern.

Nothing anecdotal about. The percentage of single parent families living in poverty is well documented.

Blogger VD May 09, 2016 9:13 AM  

What, if anything, does it have to do with hordes of illegitimate black kids?

Russell Moore thinks the future of Christianity in America depends upon the church virtue-signaling and adopting black culture. He is either a moron or a wolf in sheep's clothing. I assume the latter.

Blogger VD May 09, 2016 9:14 AM  

The vast majority are single-moms-with-children.

Neither widows nor orphans. The answer should be: no.

Anonymous John C. Wrong May 09, 2016 9:15 AM  

Who cares? After all...

"The whole idea of nation-states based on bloodline is a recent innovation, something invented by Protestant heretics in the Sixteenth Century. "

Blogger Phillip George May 09, 2016 9:15 AM  

anecdote, and i learned it right here, simply means unpublished. It might be rock solid science, it just hasn't been published.

Empire did well enough with multi ethnic "melting pots".

the difference was cultural confidence. Every group could do their own cost benefit analysis.

Multi ethnic nations can survive, thrive, increase. The multi trillion dollar key is cultural confidence. Two thousand years of history was flushed down the toilet in just two generations. This isn't going to be an overnight fix

Blogger VD May 09, 2016 9:16 AM  

"The whole idea of nation-states based on bloodline is a recent innovation, something invented by Protestant heretics in the Sixteenth Century.

Of course, it's the concept of "nation-state" that is new. Not a nation based on bloodline. Read Caesar, for crying out loud. Read the Bible.

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 9:16 AM  

> He is either a moron or a wolf in sheep's clothing. I assume the latter.

Since he's writing for the NYT, it's almost certainly the latter.

Blogger Harsh May 09, 2016 9:19 AM  

@CruzCrew7

I'm a pretty lousy Christian and even I know that's utter nonsense...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 09, 2016 9:21 AM  

Cucks never learned on how to deal with a single word, "racist", and from that we now are literally being scolded by pillow biting weaklings.

The cucks are truly beaten scum.

Anonymous Rolf May 09, 2016 9:27 AM  

The true collapse of the nation I've called my home is not a pleasant thought, but with kids it leads to the obvious follow-on questions: if collapse is inevitable and soon, say or go, and if the answer is "go," then go where?

Just about everywhere else in the western world is riding the debt-and-diversity ride, too. Obviously, the answer might be different foe each person, depending on what their personal circumstances are, but I don't see a lot of places on the short list that look good.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 09, 2016 9:27 AM  

Dr. Moore is now preaching of corporate sin, but there's no corporate Gospel to be found. The worst part is that his repeated attempt to race bait this election is to cover support for the GOP Establishment which he very openly has been part of and an adviser to.

Any conservative Evangelicals want to know why you have lost in the past and continue to lose over and over? You aren't supposed to be electing a Protestant Pope to the POTUS, let alone any office.

Anonymous RJ May 09, 2016 9:29 AM  

17. tz May 09, 2016 8:56 AM
Note how the state jumps in with cash and prizes for bastards, but only a small tax deduction for wedlock


The tax code discourages both marriage and having children if you are married. Interesting find: the tax code provides an incentive to have either two or more than three children, while having a third child results in a tax penalty:

Taxation, Marriage, and Children

Taxation, Marriage, and Children Part Deux

Anonymous John C. Wrong May 09, 2016 9:35 AM  

>> Read the Bible.

LOL sola scriptura? No thanks.

POPE: TEAR DOWN walls and WELCOME migrants into Europe
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/667991/Pope-tear-down-migrant-walls-and-welcome-refugees-into-Europe

Anonymous The OASF May 09, 2016 9:39 AM  

@5
"Why would any community choose to have so many illegitimate kids? No other choice? Stupidity?

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad."

Anyone guy who is unfortunate enough to be caught up in the dating scene knows the answer to this.

Women (especially the young millennials) instinctively sense that the government can outperform 99 percent of men as breadwinners, especially if she can keep punching out welfare bum meal tickets in the form of bastard kids. Think about that. The single welfare bum moms can just go around spreadin' em' without consequence, and live la vida loca while all the white knights, sympathetic parents, gammas, etc. pick up the rest of the slack (take me to the grocery store, please!). Now of course this is an extremely short sided and even dangerous lifestyle because what happens if the mommy state, ya know, goes away overnight? But hey, we are talking America here...

Stefan Molyneux hinted at this in the interview when he said that a single mother in America qualifies for about $65,000 in benefits. That's right, $65,000. And I'm sure the more intrepid ones can suck a lot more than that out of the system (The amount of money that some single mothers I know have sucked out of their "churches" reels the mind).

So the answer is very simple.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 09, 2016 9:40 AM  

Rolf wrote:if collapse is inevitable and soon, say or go, and if the answer is "go," then go where?


There's really nowhere left to go like there was, but in the US the last redoubt will likely be rural towns about 1-2 hours from major cities. These towns and small cities of populations of 5,000-40,000 which can be partially self-sustaining with local law enforcement and militias controlling access along major roads.

Unless you can literally build a self sustaining bunker which you can hide out in for years in a remote location you will need a community around you.

TL;DR: Don't be in a major metropolitan area or city, even a suburb 30 minutes away if you can avoid it.

Blogger Student in Blue May 09, 2016 9:44 AM  

You're not a very good Catholic if you think that reading the Bible is automatically sola scriptura.

Alternatively, if reading is too difficult for you, why not try actually listening during Mass when they read aloud from the Bible? That is, if you ever bothered showing up to begin with.

Blogger praetorian May 09, 2016 9:45 AM  

What happened to the dataset in the early 90s

Bill Clinton got elected and took a causal factor off the table for a bit?

Anonymous sth_txs May 09, 2016 9:52 AM  

Another post that further proves that 'taxes are the price we pay for dis civilization.'

This could not be done without generous tax subsidies.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 09, 2016 9:55 AM  

@6 Flavius "What happened to the dataset in the early 90s?"

Welfare reform. There was a real attempt made by the GOP in 1995 to straighten the situation out.

Personally, I think the situation is not beyond salvage, but it's going to take harsh action to correct. Fifty years ago, illegitimacy was a black mark against the child...and a bigger one against the mother. Today, we've erased that, and discovered that women with short time preferences will breed like rabbits. And with about as much thought.

Sterilization as a condition for receipt of welfares will solve the problem. Or long-term contraception, I don't care which.

You sell this to the married women, and ALL men. Every illegitimate welfare baby is taxes out of everybody else's pocket. Money that could go to raise OUR kids is diverted to rear someone else's. We're taking food out of our own families' mouths to feed the foolish.

People will get pretty fired up about this...rather like illegal immigration.

Anonymous Joe Blowe May 09, 2016 9:59 AM  

Cuckservatives love to blame Johnson and the Democrats for black familial dysfunction. But the fact is the Great Society programs did not really kick in until the late sixties. Black illegitimacy was already rising by the end of WWII and it was considered a national emergency with the publication of the famous Moynihan Report - The Negro Family: The Case For National Action. So what happened after WII? The Great Migration from the rural South to the urban North, Forced Integration, and the intensification of the ongoing assault on Western Civilization. Well, city living and blacks don't mix and without the civilizing effects of segregation blacks revert to the African mean.
Even before WWII blacks were, like their African cousins, known to be notorious philanderers, infidelity rampant among both men and women, and just because a kid was born to married parents it didn't necessary mean they were married to each other. I don't think black mating habits have changed all that much. I think they have just given up the pre-text of marriage. Marriage being an institution of Western, i.e. White, Civilization.

Anonymous TS May 09, 2016 10:14 AM  

"The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech did not envision that more than 50 years later “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters or that a major presidential candidate would tweet racially charged comments."

Hey Cuck, he probably didn't envision government being the new slavemaster either.

"In his “Letter from Birmingham Jail,” Martin Luther King Jr. identifies the government as the enemy of the rights and dignity of blacks. He was locked up for marching without a permit. King cites the injustices of the police and courts in particular. And he inspired a movement to raise public consciousness against state brutality, especially as it involved fire hoses, billy clubs, and jail cells." FEE - The Eugenics Plot of the Minimum Wage

And yet they(blacks) keep voting for more government.

BTW, Do you know who really killed MLK?

Martin Luther King Jr was famously assassinated on April 4, 1968, but it wasn’t until December of 1999 (i.e. 31 years later) that the “official story” was proven a lie.

The jury’s decision means it did not believe that James Earl Ray, who was convicted of the crime, fired the shot that killed Dr. King.

After four weeks of testimony and one hour of deliberation, the jury in the wrongful-death case found that Loyd Jowers as well as “others, including governmental agencies” had been part of a conspiracy. The jury awarded the King family the damages they had sought: $100, which the family says it will donate to charity.

The family has long questioned Mr. Ray’s conviction and hoped the suit would change the legal and historical record of the assassination.

“This is a vindication for us,” said Dexter King, the youngest son of Dr. King.

He said he hoped history books would be rewritten to reflect this version of the assassination.

Blogger praetorian May 09, 2016 10:18 AM  

You sell this to the married women, and ALL men

Generous welfare for men, conditioned on sterilization, seems like the most likely to work: men would comply and women wouldn't care, since its men. The sticky point would be the 'generous' part, which would offend many men and, more importantly, almost all women. A lot of men can whittle down their time on pizza, xbox, porn and weed, so perhaps there is a low enough level to make it work.

Anonymous Northern Observer May 09, 2016 10:27 AM  

From the two charts, I'm not sure if you can conclude that immigration was that significant.

Eyeballing it, from 1960 to 2008, the white rate went up by about 1000% (from about 3 to about 30). And they were the large majority for most of that time. Black rates went from about 20% to about 75% (round up to 400$ increase) and hispanics went from about 35% to about 55% (about a 60% increase).

The war on poverty and feminism for sure, but immigration? But, assuming that the hispanic population is the primary source of immigration, and that the white and black communities are largely non-immigrant, it would be difficult to pin much of the blame on immigrants.

The 60% increase among the hispanic minority couldn't explain much of the 800% in the overall rate.

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 09, 2016 10:28 AM  

praetorian wrote:Generous welfare for men, conditioned on sterilization, seems like the most likely to work: men would comply and women wouldn't care, since its men.
Sterlizing the men doesn't prevent the women from getting pregnant; as the joke goes, vasectomy only changes the color of the baby.

Altering the reproduction and especially the mate choice of the women is crucial.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 10:41 AM  

re #11 & VD's rejoinder:
You're wrong. The mixed blood creates a predisposition to incline towards the inferior culture, as well as creates susceptibility to whatever the genetic disadvantages there might be.

As I understand it, the jury is still out whether there is any sort of Mendelian-like dominance of one set of alleles or another, but DNA remains destiny somewhere.

Are there CARRIERS of the MAO-A two-repeat allele, such that a man (or woman?!) carrier without the trait produce kids with it? This produces a male with a major propensity to violent crime (murder, assault, rape).

But to TZ's point, culture IS coded by DNA. No one knows YET what are the sequences and relative relationships that produce the native culture of sub-Saharan Africa, of Germany, of the English, etc. but they do definitely exist.

Can a man who is 1/10th "X" produce a kid who is pulled irresistibly to the culture of X? (shrug.) Ask that of half-Caucasian, half-black brain surgeons whose sons end up looking and behaving like just another Trayvon.

Within 15-20 years it's believed that the answers to this question will no longer be unknown. Then will the fun really start.

Anonymous johnc May 09, 2016 10:44 AM  

Unless I'm reading that chart wrong, it looks like the rates for whites have skyrocketed.

Anonymous Mister Cuckservative May 09, 2016 10:46 AM  

dc.sunsets
Only people whose ancestors spent most of the last 50,000 years in Europe (esp. the last 500 inside the Hajnal Line) are capable of CHOOSING, much less sustaining Western Civilization. Multiculturists are thus either actively evil or utterly ignorant, because the other civilization choices do not and cannot sustain this modern world.

But, but muh tabula rasa!

If we just double down on uplift, they’re sure to choose wisely. Because blank slate.

Anonymous Benjamin H May 09, 2016 10:49 AM  

I don't understand how the war on poverty is a bad thing? Are you saying that people shouldn't help the poor?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 10:51 AM  

Conditions of the 1960's produced all sorts of Utopian visions. I suggest that America's dominant people were so besotted with recent wealth/power/happiness in 1960 that anything was deemed possible. They planted the Utopian seeds of the next 50 years (Blank-Slate, Magic Dirt, Full Fiat Money, Debt is Harmless, etc.) that erected the vast skyscraper of cards into which we've all relocated (willingly or not.)

It was a shared delusion far below the conscious level. It animated the Equalist Cult that is today's Universal Religion. It made Leftism the sole political ideology (because leftism rejects the very notion of objective reality, choosing instead the magic of statutory law incantations.)

Being among the few sighted people in a world of the volitionally blind is not necessarily a fun experience. It's the difference between listening while bindfolded to the movie, Idiocracy, or watching it, soup to nuts, with headlines from Google News paralleling each scene.

Blogger Escoffier May 09, 2016 10:52 AM  

tz wrote:@11It is women who ruin everything, including civilization. And they are the only ones who can save it.

This is dangerously and foolishly wrong. I think it was Chateau that suggested Feminism is a massive shit test and they will not stop until men put a forcible stop to it. They can't put a stop to feminism, cock carouseling, abortion for convenience or any of the horrible behaviors they have embraced any more than they can successfully be men.

Needless to say a revival of Christianity will be key to this endeavor.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 09, 2016 10:53 AM  

@38
Don't be a doofus. Roman Catholics were part of the peace of Westphalia. Nation states, however, existed a long before that. Read the Old Testament sometime. Ancient Israel was a nation state.

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 10:56 AM  

4. NorthernHamlet May 09, 2016 8:23 AM
Why would any community choose to have so many illegitimate kids?



a - it's not the "community" deciding to do this. a community is an abstract concept. it's sexually unfettered women who are deciding to do this.

b - women aren't strategic thinkers. far from the least significant reason for this, is that women have a VERY difficult time sticking to a decision once they've made it. a strategy is a long term plan, often incorporating logistics and multiple different tactical threads.

you can't implement a "strategy" when you change your mind about both your goal AND your means a half dozen times a day. if nothing else, that jams the fuck out of your own logistics chain.

what is a woman's prerogative? the right to change her mind?
Whim is the plural of woman. ~ Kathy Lette

c - the other half of this decision tree is the fathers. well, THEY aren't part of the mother's community. nor, aside from the easy pussy, do they want to be.

IF a black man will not support his own black children that he fathered on (a) black women/an
THEN why in the HELL would he pay money to mixed race children he got on a white woman?


the question then, is why we started rewarding women for making stupid decisions.

the political answer is that this is an easy way for a politician to buy votes. especially when the news media constantly tells everyone that this is the "caring" option.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 11:00 AM  

@52 Are you saying that people shouldn't help the poor?

Take logic, or cling to superstition.

If you raise, in captivity, wolves...feed them and see to their every need, what happens? 1) They multiply like...rabbits. 2) They utterly lose the ability to take care of themselves in the wild. 3) If you don't sterilize most of them, they will breed to the point of overrunning your entire zoo.

Welfare (replacing voluntary charity with coercively funded state actions) treats people like either slaves or pets. Welfare clients are nothing but an excuse for all the jobs, power and prestige of those who administer "anti-poverty" programs. They are no different than beggars in India who intentionally lame their children to make them more effective at obtaining alms from passers-by.

But even private, voluntary charity is the human equivalent of raising wolves in captivity. It destroys the person's motivation to break the cycle of their circumstances. Charity is like an opioid painkiller. Necessary in some clearly delimited conditions, but poisonous on an ongoing basis.

People who promote welfare systems utterly disgust me. In their zeal for self-promotion and Virtue Signaling they treat other human beings worse than they'd treat dogs.

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 11:03 AM  

38. John C. Wrong May 09, 2016 9:35 AM
POPE: TEAR DOWN walls and WELCOME migrants into Europe
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/667991/Pope-tear-down-migrant-walls-and-welcome-refugees-into-Europe



ah.

i see that Pope Pound-me-in-the-Franny is endorsing and aiding the Jihad.

again.

Blogger Noah B May 09, 2016 11:04 AM  

Good data to have. Another possibly key causal factor behind this trend may be the displacement of low-skilled workers. From the curves it appears that lower skilled workers were affected first, even prior to the implementation of LBJ’s Great Society programs. Welfare may have been a response to this increase, although I’d argue that welfare programs actually provided positive feedback rather than the negative feedback that was ostensibly desired.

Blogger Michael Maier May 09, 2016 11:05 AM  

At least at my job, it seems as though most births I hear about (mostly grandkids) are illegitimate. I do not know if I have ever heard of any of the black ones being married.

And the mudsharking seems to be at an epidemic level to me among the college level and younger.

Blogger Sherwood family May 09, 2016 11:21 AM  

Well...there goes the neighborhood.

Blogger Sherwood family May 09, 2016 11:21 AM  

Well...there goes the neighborhood.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 11:25 AM  

My first grandson was born a couple weeks ago. The hospital was a Taj Mahal, the room looked nicer than a Four Seasons. The bill was eye-popping...and all I could think was that Slutty Suzie waltzes in there on Medicaid with her mystery-meat kid In Utero and pays...NOTHING...NOT ONE DAMN THING for medical services fit for Saudi Royalty, while the bill gets passed to the dwindling number of high-skill, well-employed people like my kid.

Crash. And. Burn.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 09, 2016 11:27 AM  

@6 Flavius Aetius

The welfare reform act of 1996.

And as can be expected, changing the law only cut illegitimacy immediately among the more K-selected, whereas it took blacks a few years to figure out that there weren't as many welfare bennies for single mammies anymore.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 09, 2016 11:31 AM  

The underlying reality of these graphs does have one benefit: Playing the game of "Where the Fk did THOSE kids come from?"

My wife and I play this game every time we see the new neighbors, where the adults are lily white and the kids are unquestionably half-black.
? Her kids from a "prior" relationship?
? Are the kids full siblings?
? Are the kids foster?
? Are they HIS kids from a "prior?"

No one is saying, and the "family" is about as friendly as a dead mackerel on ice at the fish market. The kids won't even look you in the eye at five feet away (at least the dead mackerel has the decency to stare at me.)

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 11:34 AM  

Well that does answer a lot.

Blogger SciVo May 09, 2016 11:36 AM  

Benjamin H wrote:I don't understand how the war on poverty is a bad thing? Are you saying that people shouldn't help the poor?

It's the Law of Unintended Consequences. You get more of what you incentivize, so if you pay men to not work, then you will get more of that. If you pay women to have babies outside of wedlock, then you will get more of that.

But then a proper skeptic will start to wonder if the consequences are really unintended. Even if half of the voters are too stupid to comprehend something so simple, our policy makers should know better, even if they're just midwits. And they like to pose that they're really smart, so either they're lying or it's deliberate.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 09, 2016 11:45 AM  

Benjamin H wrote:I don't understand how the war on poverty is a bad thing? Are you saying that people shouldn't help the poor?
Don't be an idiot.
There is a huge difference between "We must help the poor" and any specific effort. The question is always, do your efforts actually help?
The "war on poverty" has demonstrably worsened life for the poor and the fate of the country.

Blogger Harsh May 09, 2016 11:45 AM  

@CruzCrew7

I'm a pretty lousy Christian and even I know that's utter nonsense...

Blogger RobertT May 09, 2016 11:48 AM  

This sh*t is destroying our society. It starts earlier and ends far after the birth, if it ever ends at all. From my observation, welfare's a considerable part of the problem. The 'safety net' is always there to provide everything a husband and father should provide.

Remember when the welfare problem was solved under Clinton?

Blogger RobertT May 09, 2016 11:48 AM  

This sh*t is destroying our society. It starts earlier and ends far after the birth, if it ever ends at all. From my observation, welfare's a considerable part of the problem. The 'safety net' is always there to provide everything a husband and father should provide.

Remember when the welfare problem was solved under Clinton?

Blogger James Dixon May 09, 2016 11:59 AM  

> Unless I'm reading that chart wrong, it looks like the rates for whites have skyrocketed.

They have, for the same reasons. Poor people will do what you pay them to do. If you offer to pay them to have bastard children, that's what they'll do.

> I don't understand how the war on poverty is a bad thing? Are you saying that people shouldn't help the poor?

If you think the war on poverty helps the poor, then pay for it out of your own pocket. Don't expect everyone else to agree and demand they do so too.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 09, 2016 12:06 PM  

@54 dc Sunsets
"Conditions of the 1960's produced all sorts of Utopian visions."

True, but it dates back to the immediate post-World-War II period. There's always a bit of utopian optimism following a major war, and the Second World War grew a big bubble of it.

Blogger borderwalker May 09, 2016 12:10 PM  

With respect, what is the source of the charts illustrating this post?

Blogger kmbr May 09, 2016 12:32 PM  

I don't think you can ignore the effect popular culture has on this also.

Also, maybe even larger, the lack of societal shame and scorn. I am sorry but when I see a woman with kids from multiple fathers, I immediately put her in the less than category.

The fact that men continually take on these women and their baggage (and raising someone else's kid(s) is a completely unneeded complication in your life) only encourages more if it.

If men would no longer take it on, many of them would feel the pressure to not head down this path.

Ofcourse, like so many other areas in our culture, shame needs to make a comeback.

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 12:35 PM  

Actually I think this whole taking on women with children is mostly white knighting behavior.

Anonymous Clay May 09, 2016 12:35 PM  

Ok.This is getting strong.

Is being half Italian & half German considered a "mixed race"?

If so, call me a mulatto.

Anonymous BGKB May 09, 2016 12:37 PM  

That 2% statistic is probably the most damming thing you could get away with mentioning in polite company.

For once the great liberal slogan is appropriate: Think of the children.

If Michael Jackson, Lena Dunham, and Barney Frank want white children to be plentiful in the future more than you do, you might be a cuckservative.

Illegitimate means a child born to parents that are not married - Its an antiquated term

Changing the meaning of words is the lefts tool. They do it so you can not learn from the past. They hope someone reading about "going to the little girls room" will think it was a form of fat shaming.

his campaign is forcing American Christians to grapple with some scary realities that will have implications for years to come.

Like if equality exists, why can't Hispanics in KKcaKe headquarters known as Southern California do better? http://www.unz.com/isteve/after-many-generations-mexicans-still-not-prospering-in-socal/

Nothing anecdotal about. The percentage of single parent families living in poverty is well documented

I think he was pointing out the false churchianism of people coming to the church only for handouts, this is why Mexicans appear to be good Catholics in Mexico, but in the US Uncle Sam gives better handouts than Mary.

Unless you can literally build a self sustaining bunker...you will need a community around you.

David The Good has info on making your own Food Forests. If you can't afford a $5book you can also look up "tree guilds".

The family has long questioned Mr. Ray’s conviction and hoped the suit would change the legal and historical record of the assassination.

The government records of spying on king should have been released years ago, most certainly before they started putting up Chinese made statues of him. If only we could trick leftists into backing their release.

I don't understand how the war on poverty is a bad thing?

Would Latrina have 21 crackbabies(actual woman in NJ) if she could not take money from people that never touched her?

Blogger kmbr May 09, 2016 12:38 PM  

Well, Clay, they do say Europe stops at Termini. (:

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 12:40 PM  

Hahahahaha... Wasn't mulato a mix between black and indian?

U_U from now on you shall be named Darth Claytto. Now rise Lord Claytto.

Blogger Ingot9455 May 09, 2016 12:45 PM  

@53 'People' can help the poor, personally. 'The government' can't help the poor. They are no good at it, as proven by overwhelming evidence.

Blogger kmbr May 09, 2016 12:51 PM  

I was just listening to a podcast by Stefan when running this morning which actually was talking about the biological effects of children growing up without a father or growing up with a male figure who is NOT genetically connected to you. It was fascinating. I had never heard any of it before. Exposure to the pheromones of bio dad, delays puberty. (also surprisingly older brothers). "Father absence is an environmental toxin". Genes struggling to understand the environment and adjust accordingly to the stability or lack of.

In a nutshell, horrible for kids. Boys or girls.

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 12:51 PM  

It is good for people to help the poor, but the war on poverty with real guns robbing the prudent and productive and giving it no questions asked to the lazy is unmitigated evil in every way.

Western Civilization can't be forced upon women. They have control of the eggs (Nasty Piggys). If they don't want large nuclear families instead of feral single motherhood, there won't be the good children. One thing men can't fix by themselves.

OpenID luciussomesuch May 09, 2016 12:54 PM  

"With respect, what is the source of the charts illustrating this post?"

--You can look this stuff up in the World Almanac. My 2013 edition (I'm a little bit behind the times) lists "Nonmarital Childbearing in the U.S., 1970-2009", sourced from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), U.S Dept. of Health and Human Services.

And while Black illegitimacy for 2009 (last year cited) is 72.3% as in the chart above, White is given as 36.0, so the information on the chart may have been differently sourced or further processed as to ween out some "white Hispanic".

I find it worth noting that, in the WA's breakdown by maternal age, only 21.4% of 2009's bastard births were to women under 20. 36.9% are 20-24 years of age, and a startling 41.7% were 25 years or older. I'll assume some of these were budding cat ladies going for surrogacy (and I'd assume the majority of those were White), but I would also guess this means there are a lot of still-busy baby-pumpers adding to the already extensive brood for the bennies.

Anonymous RedJack May 09, 2016 1:00 PM  

Clay wrote:Ok.This is getting strong.

Is being half Italian & half German considered a "mixed race"?

If so, call me a mulatto.

In many ways it is. And I say this as a German, English (probably Saxon), Finish, Chek, with a little Italian in the wood pile for flavor. The various DNA sites are very interesting. Back on point, the German races are NOT like the Latin races. Read back a bit and you will see all sorts of characterizations of both groups in popular literature. Now like all things, they are probably an exaggeration, but the basis started somewhere.

OpenID luciussomesuch May 09, 2016 1:01 PM  

--" . . . going for surrogacy . . ."--I mean going for in vitro, blah blah. All "assisted pregnancy" is Devil's work to me.

And, just to be pedantic, let's add that 41.7% of MOTHERS of illegitimate babies were 25 years or older, lest the Grammar SS express their dismay at all these 25 year-old babies being born!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 09, 2016 1:04 PM  

There is only one thing that can truly transcend racial differences--particularly when it comes to a mixed relationship. And that is the Universalism of God Almighty. With the backing of your Creator, you will successfully achieve Pentecost.

Without God, as is usually the case, you get to deal with tribalism.

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 1:15 PM  

78. Clay May 09, 2016 12:35 PM
If so, call me a mulatto.



"Axis" sounds more badass. also, there are plenty of Germanic Italians, especially around the Italian Alps. the Italian surname "Tedeschi" denoting Germanic heritage.

Anonymous VFM #7916 May 09, 2016 1:15 PM  

Clickbait piece in the Telegraph today stating that 1/3 of all children starting school has delayed speech, lacking social skills, and ability to help themselves.

Suspected target is parents smartphone use.

I would be curious to know ethnicity makeup of their subject population of UK schoolchildren.

Anonymous RedJack May 09, 2016 1:16 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:There is only one thing that can truly transcend racial differences--particularly when it comes to a mixed relationship. And that is the Universalism of God Almighty. With the backing of your Creator, you will successfully achieve Pentecost.

Without God, as is usually the case, you get to deal with tribalism.


You are very correct, but then you have to acknowledge the Bible itself is very "tribal". The Hebrews were very jealous of their law, and the Early Church Fathers struggled to see how a barbarian could every be a Christian. Fast forward a few 1000 years, and the issues remains. I have a few Greek friends who are convinced that I am a Lutheran BECAUSE I have non Greek blood in me (well, I do have a bit, but that is very small).

Blogger VFM #7634 May 09, 2016 1:30 PM  

Hahahahaha... Wasn't mulato a mix between black and indian?

@81 Eduardo
That's a zambo.

Anonymous BKB May 09, 2016 1:42 PM  

Is being half Italian & half German considered a "mixed race"?

Considering that there is only ~90 miles of Austria between the 2 Nations

Telegraph today stating that 1/3 of all children starting school has delayed speech, lacking social skills, and ability to help themselves

The Somali family of 8 that eats up 1/3 of a Swiss town with over 1000 whites have all the kids considered delayed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758055/Outraged-Swiss-village-1-000-residents-forced-raise-taxes-African-refugee-mother-seven-moves-costs-40-000-month-benefits.html

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 09, 2016 1:45 PM  

Benjamin H wrote:I don't understand how the war on poverty is a bad thing? Are you saying that people shouldn't help the poor?
The best thing we can do for them is to keep them from making more poor people, so we can afford to support the ones we have.  Letting problems escalate to the level of requiring triage is anything but helpful, and we're already there.

Anonymous Clay May 09, 2016 1:52 PM  

Oh, that's funny,VFM#7634. I wouldn't have thought of it myself.

As far as Bob K..yes I recognize the Tesdechi name.

Are you familiar with the Philiberts?

Blogger Lobo Util May 09, 2016 1:57 PM  

One group with large numbers of mixed race marriages is Mormons. Since they already belong to a strong cohesive group, have an incredibly thorough bunch of story tellers that pass on a common heritage, don't make babies out of wedlock, and marry for past "death do us part", the Mormon biracial families are probably more stable than any of the mentioned demographics.

The Mormons go preach in other countries, and then sometimes find spouses who are from those areas once they return to the USA.

Anonymous Eduardo May 09, 2016 2:13 PM  

VFM#7634

Zambo?

Oh yeah! You are right! Cafuzo, damn humiliated at my own cultural knowledge XD. u_u you are Iberic descendant aren't you faceless one. Give me at least that much t_t...

Blogger Tom K. May 09, 2016 2:19 PM  

You're trolling us, right?

Stupid layered onto ignorance covered in self-righteousness.

Blogger Tom K. May 09, 2016 2:45 PM  

Thanks for offering a different perspective on the black experience of white cultural norms. You are right that just because blacks were married to one another didn't mean their children were products of the union. However, even cucked children raised in an intact family do better than Bastards.

I am usually suspicious when blaming external societal forces for dysfunction, but I had missed applying that to black illegitimacy. Blaming the Great Society was too easy.

But it's true. Blacks are CRAZY sexual deviants. They exercise nesr zero self control. I remember reading an Esquire article in the 80s asking why AIDS was a heterosexual disease in Africa and a gay one here. The authoe went to Africa and discovered that the average black man had sex 7-10 times A WEEK! When he told his cab driver the average white man has sex two to three times a week, the driver asked, "So why don't white men like sex?"

It may be the white man's lower sex drive tbat has allowed him to find the time to build his civilization!

Or, it could be that our sec drive is just as strong but our women do NOT put out as easily as black women do! Having been friends with a number of black women and having been married to white women I know this is true! LOL!!

Blogger Sheila4g May 09, 2016 3:07 PM  

@44 Napoleon 12pdr: "People will get pretty fired up about this...rather like illegal immigration."

With all due respect, you're full of sh&t. I don't know what it will take to bring back shame or make people upset when they've already been paying for years. I've been enraged about the whole deal for years, but all the churchians insist one "think of the children." Our former church's youth group chose a former member and new single mother as their Christmas charity one year. I know a number of very "Christian" parents whose kids went to private Christian schools who are raising their illegitimate (some mixed race, some not) grandchildren. I volunteered (once and learned my lesson) with my former small church group to cook a meal for what was then the sole local shelter. Filled to the brim with single mothers of various shades and multiple children of various shades. At the time I desperately wanted another child and my husband insisted we couldn't afford one. If you suggest anything negative about illegitimacy to any of these people (whose taxes are paying for Latrina's multiples and Juan's anchor babies as well as their own illegitimate grandchildren) they call you evil and unchristian. If you suggest perhaps the baby would be better off adopted rather than raised by grandparents they act as though you've endorsed pedophilia and child abuse.

@78 Clay: "Is being half Italian & half German considered a "mixed race"?"

My husband's 92 year old aunt (grandchild of Italian immigrants) was married to a guy of full German heritage (to the point a number of his relatives in WWI noted on draft cards they "would not fight against Germany"). I asked her if she ever got any anti-Italian sentiments from her in-laws and she said no; the only thing her mother-in-law cared about was religion. She didn't want her children even playing with non-Catholics.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man May 09, 2016 4:16 PM  

“Culture IS coded by DNA.”

Based in part on several PRELIMINARY studies, one including research on zebra finches. But genetic inheritance is NOT the only way of transmitting information.

"Epigenetic inheritance is the transmission of developmental variations that have nothing to do with changes in DNA base sequences. In its broad sense, it covers the transmission of any differences that do not depend on gene differences, so it encompasses the cultural inheritance of different religious beliefs in humans and song dialects in birds.”

seedmagazine.com/content/article/3538

“No one knows YET what are the sequences and relative relationships that produce the native culture of sub-Saharan Africa, of Germany, of the English, etc. but they do definitely exist.”



Exist to what extent? It’s all speculation. Perhaps you would be willing to conduct important research on this matter and report your findings.

“Only people whose ancestors spent most of the last 50,000 years in Europe (esp. the last 500 inside the Hajnal Line) are capable of CHOOSING, much less sustaining Western Civilization.”

Should that goal be in that vein. Do Americans today even view it in that manner, and should they?

“The mixed blood creates a predisposition to incline towards the inferior culture, as well as creates susceptibility to whatever the genetic disadvantages there might be.”

Not really.

One has to take into serious consideration when looking at biracial children their socio-economic standing and their environment rather than focusing on race. If either parent is a high school dropout, or is dependent on welfare, or is on drugs, or is a gang member, there is no surprise that the offspring stands little chance of being raised the “right way”, however one defines it. And with both parents being degenerates, that’s obviously big trouble.

This study indicates that miscegenation has positive benefits, contrary to “pitying the half-black kid who gets the lion's share of behavioral genetic code from the African half”.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3146070/Mixed-race-relationships-making-taller-smarter-Children-born-genetically-diverse-parents-intelligent-ancestors.html

In the end, people will make their own decisions whether or not to marry within or outside their race. Not really anybody else’s business.

Blogger ray May 09, 2016 4:19 PM  

"US society simply cannot survive in its current form; the stagnation and decline the USA has experienced to date is only beginning, as the effects of this 50-year destruction of the family are not even close to fully realized yet."


Correct. And even if wholesale changew were instituted today, it'd take a couple generations to put the nation back into reasonable shape, i.e., a sustainable society in generally good health.

The Western nations are matriarchates, and you can't alter them via immigration. Building The Wall has symbolic value, and limited practical value, but addresses only a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. The much larger problem is the market-matriarchy -- that's what is driving decreased GNP, cultural corruption, death-spiral birth rates, and most of the other western diseases. Unless the matriarchy can be undone, immigration reform or tweaks to the economy will fail, because economic and social health elements ALL rely on the social place and status of the father as head of the nuclear household. Once Woman is awarded that role -- long ago accomplished in feminist America -- all other socio-cultural elements are guaranteed to decline.

In late empires like the U.S., inertia and corruption are so advanced that it would require significant disruption to break the demographic and identity alliances that ensure election-to-election victories for the gynarchy. You must re-establish the primacy of fatherhood, and repair the betrayal of three generations of the nation's son. Even in the best of circumstances, that will take some time because the beatdown has been so vicious, for so long.

Blogger ray May 09, 2016 4:44 PM  

#24 -- "The vast majority are single-moms-with-children. We see a small number of single men, nearly always playing the system and scamming us for a handout."


LOL. Yep that's the Christian Cuck Church is a nut-shell. Plenty of money and sympathy from the 'churches' for pore suffering mommy-n-chidrens. No reproval for multiple kids with multiple men, multiple divorces, abortions, dumping daddies.

Are America's streets full of mothers-with-children? No, that's who the State and the Churches are helping, because they are both aspects of Big Daddy Deep-pockets . . . much more reliable and facile that an actual husband. The State and the Churches come pre-emasculated.

The streets are full of single-men, the detritus of half-a-century of ejecting them from education, employment, and the family. What is the position of the churches and pastors and elders and ministers and etc. towards them? Just a bunch of Scammers, looking to play the system. But ha ha, we showed them, we sent their asses back to the streets, while the Church Fund was used to buy apartments and groceries for Single Empowered Mommy and her illegitimate brood. After which the Chuchmen pat one another on the back for serving God and, uh, man.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 09, 2016 4:50 PM  

Clay @95: "Are you familiar with the Philiberts?"

They're a bunch of nuts.

Blogger bob k. mando May 09, 2016 4:50 PM  

101. Rhetoric Man May 09, 2016 4:16 PM
This study indicates that miscegenation has positive benefits



well, duh.

of course pure Negro DNA ( average IQ =<80, some sub-Saharan populations below 60 ) will be improved by admixture with a non-Negro partner. hell, the only group that might possibly be lower IQ than the Negro is Australian Aboriginal ... maybe the Yaghans?

as to whether that provides intelligence benefits over and beyond that of the higher intelligence parent ... you're going to have to isolate advantages provided by improved diet and medicine vs purely DNA driven gains.

because EVEN IF you can show a slight IQ gain over the non-Negro parent, that's more than likely due simply to improved environment.

and i really doubt that there's a significant IQ jump over purebred White children.

we do, after all, already have plenty of data from the US. the average Black American has ~30% White heritage ... and remains significantly dumber than the White ~100 center of the bell curve.

gots to gibsmedat Neanderthal DNA.

Blogger Kona Commuter May 09, 2016 4:59 PM  

BGKB wrote

Unless you can literally build a self sustaining bunker...you will need a community around you.


>David The Good has info on making your own Food Forests. If you can't afford a $5book you can also look up "tree guilds".




I've really got to get this happening

Anonymous Sam the Man May 09, 2016 5:23 PM  

Here is the only data point(s) I have on mixed German-Italian marriages.

Family member of Prussian/Swiss/Midlands-Englander stock marries a Napolitano Italian.

Oil and Water.

Gets divorces, figures it out. Goes and marries a Lithuanian-Welsh match. Kids look like the came out of a Lebenborn home (blondes, blue-eyes). Seems to be a stable happy culturally compatible marriage.

Case # 2

Relative is Swiss/Englander, marries Greek. Stay married for life, but....... lots of cultural issues.

Son marries Estonian...some cultural issues but fewer.

It seems as if there is a marked cultural divide between those between the Baltic and Alps than those of Mediterranean stock. Further it seems that the end result of such cross marriages is not a mix, but an adoption of one culture or another.

In comparisons between religion it seems that Northern Catholics and northern Protestants mix more easily than Northern and southern Catholics. The culture trumps religion.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man May 09, 2016 5:59 PM  

When was the last IQ test given to Africans on a widespread basis?

In 2012, Heiner Rindermann took into account those black students in East and South Africa in school and applied several corrections (e.g. higher age of students in Africa, lower African school enrollment) to BEST GUESS an African average at 75 IQ. Comparing African IQ’s to “Western” IQ’s, well, Hello McFly, of course there is no comparison.

Seems to me that people who use IQ squarely as the basis to determine a person’s intellectual worth is overstating their case, considering prediction models are used rather than actual hard data.

Even James Flynn in 2007 showed that black Americans is 10-15 points below white Americans, but was equivalent to the score of such whites in 1947. Obviously it is apparent one is able to close the racial and generation gap, considering children in the United States and “western” nations have surpassed their grandparents' IQs by more than 15 points in 60 years,

Enhancing cognitive development would be paramount here.

“of course pure Negro DNA ( average IQ =<80, some sub-Saharan populations below 60 ) will be improved by admixture with a non-Negro partner.”

Seems then a no-brainer. Having mixed children to white and non-white parents is civilizing.

“because EVEN IF you can show a slight IQ gain over the non-Negro parent, that's more than likely due simply to improved environment.”

Possibly.

“and i really doubt that there's a significant IQ jump over purebred White children.”

Does Jesus Christ rally around “purebreds”, or focus all of His efforts on His flock?

“we do, after all, already have plenty of data from the US. the average Black American has ~30% White heritage ... and remains significantly dumber than the White ~100 center of the bell curve.”

Due to environment?

Regardless, racial segregation in the States already occurs, and it's a pipe dream to believe the majority of Americans will willingly self-segregate. Because Western Civilization collapse.

And if there is this impending "civil war", whatever. Let there be blood. Can't wait for people here to take direct action when the moment comes.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 09, 2016 6:13 PM  

One group with large numbers of mixed race marriages is Mormons. Since they already belong to a strong cohesive group, have an incredibly thorough bunch of story tellers that pass on a common heritage, don't make babies out of wedlock, and marry for past "death do us part", the Mormon biracial families are probably more stable than any of the mentioned demographics.

The Mormons go preach in other countries, and then sometimes find spouses who are from those areas once they return to the USA.


@96 Lobo Util
Mormons race-mix nowadays like it's going out of style. They go to Latin America, Asia, or the South Pacific, convert a woman, and bring her back.

And it's usually women who convert because most missionaries are men. And LDS men seem more committed to their religion than women, even if it's harder for women to leave because they get married off quickly.

u_u you are Iberic descendant aren't you faceless one. Give me at least that much t_t...

@97 Eduardo
Milesian perhaps.

It seems as if there is a marked cultural divide between those between the Baltic and Alps than those of Mediterranean stock. Further it seems that the end result of such cross marriages is not a mix, but an adoption of one culture or another.

In comparisons between religion it seems that Northern Catholics and northern Protestants mix more easily than Northern and southern Catholics. The culture trumps religion.


@107 Sam the Man
I get that impression as well. There's a Churchian compulsion to encourage race-mixing among people that share the same denomination, but that doesn't work out much better than race-mixing without a common religion. OTOH, there are multiple examples of people from the same or similar ethnicities but different religions marrying each other, and backing each other up against outsiders.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 09, 2016 7:23 PM  

What ray said. Churchians are far too smug to realize how damn stupid they are.

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 7:45 PM  

illegitimus non carborundum
is wishful thinking.
Societies are worn down and eroded.

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 7:46 PM  

I think in Utah, there are 3 Mormon women for 2 Mormon men. Importing female converts would explain it.

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 7:57 PM  

@99 See gene wars or r-selection v.s. K-selection. In Africa the situation favors r, in cold climates, K.

However here is where the epigenetics comes in. We apparently have both codings. If a woman grows up with brothers and a father, she will have her first period a year later and tend toward K.

The state funding single motherhood creates r-selected rabbits out of women.

Note the alpha men (and PUAs) who are the stallions on the carousel are helping destroy civilization.

Such women become damaged goods, only good for gammas and white knights (is there a beta bux carousel?).

It used to be women were merciless with slut shaming, but that reversed with feminism to the point of slut lauding - this is where I don't think Camille Paglia has thought sexual liberation fully through. Liberty has its costs.

Blogger tz May 09, 2016 8:02 PM  

Another epigenetic work is "Survival of the Sickest", I don't recall the author, but it was a very interesting read and at least gave some pro-evolution arguments.

Blogger SciVo May 09, 2016 8:50 PM  

kmbr wrote:I don't think you can ignore the effect popular culture has on this also.

Also, maybe even larger, the lack of societal shame and scorn. I am sorry but when I see a woman with kids from multiple fathers, I immediately put her in the less than category.

The fact that men continually take on these women and their baggage (and raising someone else's kid(s) is a completely unneeded complication in your life) only encourages more if it.

If men would no longer take it on, many of them would feel the pressure to not head down this path.

Ofcourse, like so many other areas in our culture, shame needs to make a comeback.


It's like you read my mind. If everyone would just shame sluts and scorn their bastard progeny, then -- as you get less of what you disincentivize -- fewer women would have babies out of wedlock, with all the attendant benefits to children and society of having bio dads in the home and actively rearing their progeny. And it wouldn't cost a thing.

We must hurt the feelings of the few of the preserve the safety and prosperity of the many. The logic is as inescapable as it is brutal: we must be cruel to be kind.

Blogger Matamoros May 09, 2016 9:10 PM  

Good News!! Slovakia is using live ammo on the invaders.

Slovak Police Fire on Invaders
http://newobserveronline.com/slovak-police-fire-invaders/

Blogger Matamoros May 09, 2016 9:16 PM  

@46 Martin Luther King was a black racist and a communist who was committed to destroying White America by battering down real America to produce one that could be destroyed by his communist masters.

Blogger Salden May 09, 2016 10:08 PM  

@Epigenetics

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/05/05/the-new-yorker-screws-up-big-time-with-science-researchers-criticize-the-mukherjee-piece-on-epigenetics/

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/researchers-criticize-the-mukherjee-piece-on-epigenetics-part-2/

Blogger Sugarpuddin88 May 09, 2016 11:39 PM  

The terms, "unwed" and "illegitimate" children are of no relevance to the study of a society.

Rather, the sociologist should be concerned with "unwanted" children.

"Unwanted children" give rise to crime and social degradation secondary to diminished VALIDATION among the unwanted.

So-called illegitimate children and those of unwed mothers more often than not grow to be valuable to themselves and society. What matters is not the legal status of the mother, but rather the validation that inures to the child from the parent!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 09, 2016 11:42 PM  

@91 You are very correct, but then you have to acknowledge the Bible itself is very "tribal". The Hebrews were very jealous of their law, and the Early Church Fathers struggled to see how a barbarian could every be a Christian. Fast forward a few 1000 years, and the issues remains.

True. God did use tribal identification to convey His message. That was the language of the time, I suppose. Looks like it'll become the language of our time before it's all said and done.

However, like I said, the Universal ism of God can transcend the problems that marrying a foreigner can pose.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 12:28 PM  

Matamoros wrote:Good News!! Slovakia is using live ammo on the invaders.

Slovak Police Fire on Invaders

http://newobserveronline.com/slovak-police-fire-invaders/


Excellent! I was honestly not expecting any officials to find their balls before summer.

Blogger J.M. May 10, 2016 12:39 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:I get that impression as well. There's a Churchian compulsion to encourage race-mixing among people that share the same denomination, but that doesn't work out much better than race-mixing without a common religion. OTOH, there are multiple examples of people from the same or similar ethnicities but different religions marrying each other, and backing each other up against outsiders.

That is only true when the communities fall prey to religious indifferentism. Otherwise they are as incompatible with each other as Arabs and whites are depending on how far away their beliefs are. My data points: The religious wars in the West (the thirty years war for instance), the Protestant hostility Catholics experienced in England and the U.S., Shiites and Sunnis in the Muslim world, and a long etc.

By the way, no I don't condone the madness of modern Churchians and their fetish with compelled race-mixing, using it as virtue signalling.

Anonymous Anonymous Rice Alum #4 May 11, 2016 7:55 AM  

Welfare reform. #IncentivesMatter

Anonymous Sagramore May 12, 2016 5:24 PM  

@10 Two 6s in line in a coffee shop in front of me. Blonde was cuter, but the brunette won my personal pageant because she didn't have a neck tattoo or those implant earrings. Also had a Danica McKeller look going on.

At least girls in Quebec are French first and feminist later. Most play the game and stare rape is encouraged.

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