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Friday, May 20, 2016

Jonah Goldberg and the end of Holocaustianity

A Twitter discourse:

Jonah Goldberg ‏@JonahNRO
1. Apologize for racist & Jew-hating, "kids" as they celebrate murder etc. 2. ????? 3. Total GOP victory. @Nero's grand 2016 strategy.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Jonah, no one under the age of 40 gives a damn about Holocaustianity anymore than they do about the Sicilian Vespers.

Jonah Goldberg ‏@JonahNRO
Vox, 1. That's horseshit 2. Even if it wasn't, that's not an argument for saying disgusting and bigoted things for laughs.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
How much do you care about the Left calling you racist? That's how much #AltRight cares about being called anti-semitic.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
What do those called anti-semites for supporting Trump have to fear? They'll be called anti-semites a second time? So what?

Hank Coates ‏@hankhank30
complete and utter horseshit. I went to school with holocaust survivor grandkids. Fuck that fascist.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Nobody cares. The Hispanics don't care. The blacks don't care. The Asians don't care. Most whites don't anymore.

Milo Yiannopoulos ✘ ‏@Nero
The left robbed racist, sexist and homophobic of meaning. The right did the same to anti-semitic. No one under 40 cares about any of them.

Nunuya Bizinizz ‏@wahrbear
I'm confirming @voxday's assertion here. Early Millennail Jew and I really find holocaust whiners embarrassing.

AltRightJew ‏@AltRightJew
agreed. Unless you lived through it and endured it, not really interested in hearing you whine about it.

Jonah Goldberg ‏@JonahNRO
All day this crap. Thanks @nero and @voxday your friends get your back

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Jonah, you know I respect you. But you did go after @nero.... and this was really nothing. I didn't even call out the VFM.

Milo Yiannopoulos ✘ ‏@Nero
Guilt by association! A classic Leftist debate tactic. Also: you started it.

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Blogger APL May 20, 2016 2:05 AM  

"semitic" seems to have become a word specific to Jews, it's not, the semitic people include other semitic sects like the Mohemmedans.

Blogger Mr. Naron May 20, 2016 2:06 AM  

So, I can stop teaching the Holocaust now and teach the horrors of going to college in the 90s instead?

Blogger Bernard Brandt May 20, 2016 2:10 AM  

I remember my brother talking about how he wanted to date a jewish girl. Her father was against it, because he had a german name. No consideration was given to the fact that our family came from Alsace-Lorraine in the 1840s, that his grandfather fought in the Allied forces for WWI, and his father fought in the Allied forces for WWII. No, because he had a german name (but really, because he was a goy) no deal.

Okay, keep to yourselves, guys. You'll find yourselves in a very lonely place, among many enemies. Have a nice day.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 2:16 AM  

Anti-Semite used to be people hate Jews. Now it means people who Jews hate.

I don't want ovens fired up; I just want Jews to GO HOME! Make Aliyah, you have your homeland, Israel back.

Leave us alone and we will leave you alone.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra May 20, 2016 2:26 AM  

Joke: Did everyone check their white privilege and beauty privilege?

Bad Joke.

Mr. Goldberg, I've read and respect your work. At times you've gone rather illogical and estbaliment but to divide over this subject matter is reactionary and needless.

Upon reading this twitter thread, I ended my vow of silence I often take.

No one in this world escapes suffering and the horror of the soul departing the body and our taking our last breath. Death doesn't always go so peaceful.

I advise you to rethink genxers and the mil'len's as millennials are rather atheistic, like Bernie Sanders (a sweet older Jewish socialist, I like him too but I dont agree with his views) Mil'Len's are also fond of doctor assisted suicide meaning the pro death culture boomers sown, we reaped, unwillingly we reaped political anarchy. The boomers dont know the mil lens are going to kill them due to livid violent rage.

I pray I am wrong but according to the youth, the holocaust doesn't even register in that mil lens have utterly different worldviews than that of yours.

Where is the concern for our Native Americans - slaughtered?

Holocaustianity no longer can resonate when we are fighting absurdist neoconned wars and the world is rather hateful of America, whats left of it anyways. The pope is for migrants and the pale mixing, the pale or nationalist causcains want no part of and no word of Isreal, God, multi culti, AGW, feminism, etc., as EU youth are being beaten, raped by migrants hordes while Israel won't admit or even entertain importing more immigration and open borders in their land.

Holocaustianity was terrible, I want each and every person to know the Lord Jesus and understand evil is real, God is real and therein remains the battle for the soul.

Hitler lost control in that all he wanted to be was an obscure artist, denied art school and from there its history.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra May 20, 2016 2:30 AM  

I want everyone to be free and happy in their homelands, its too bad American Jewish people dont wish to return to the land they love but in reality they dont want to return to a hellhole of desolation and torment.

Years ago, a RCC priest said to me we are all basically Jewish if we look at the Torah and NT. I was intrigued at that statement.

Also, much Love and Excitement! Disturbed plays Burgettstown PA 7/19! Puppy Party!

Anonymous Coal Fired Brisket May 20, 2016 2:30 AM  

I'm curious when the VFM will begin to dine on cuck blood.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 2:31 AM  

White Nationalism is rising. Donald Trump, AfD, and a whole bunch of other European Countries Nationalism is going to clean up the mess (((you people))) had a YUGE hand in over the past 100 years. They will make the White West Great again. And share it with the World.

Just shut up, know when you are beaten, go HOME. Lick your wounds and make Israel your Homeland. Stop meddling, stop with the sayanim/israeli art student BS and just become another Landed Nation.

Otherwise....the -Ultra-Nationalists- will arise and they are a nightmare beyond anything we can imagine.

Sadly...I don't expect the (((Self-Chosen))) to discover humility this late in the game.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 20, 2016 2:34 AM  

Those Jews who are not trying to destroy Western Civilization outright are whining about criticism of their tribal tendencies. And always always they revert to Holocaustianity as moral justification for hyperbolic ad hominems thrown at nationalists.

Enough already. I never hear Armenians whining about 75% of their people obliterated by our good NATO friends the Turks. If Jews can't admit to justifiably deserved criticism, then time for aliyah.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx May 20, 2016 2:36 AM  

Hank Coates ‏@hankhank30
complete and utter horseshit. I went to school with holocaust survivor grandkids. Fuck that fascist.


That makes me a victim too! I read a tweet that was posted on a blog that said I went to school with holocaust survivor grandkids. You owe me for that.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 20, 2016 2:39 AM  

Poor jonah the yid.
He got bitch- slapped but good.
I LURVE IT.

Anonymous Red May 20, 2016 2:41 AM  

>White Nationalism is rising. Donald Trump, AfD, and a whole bunch of other European Countries Nationalism is going to clean up the mess (((you people))) had a YUGE hand in over the past 100 years. They will make the White West Great again. And share it with the World.


Troll alert. Go back to feeling the bern.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 2:43 AM  

@ Eric the Red

Dang right. Btw, when do jews, muslims and asians apologize for running a 100+ million slave trade in both wites and blacks in both the New World and the Old World for the last 3,000 years?

Christians are late-comers and the FIRST to condemn slavery and ban it in territories we held.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 20, 2016 2:44 AM  

Anti-Semite used to be people hate Jews. Now it means people who Jews hate.

"I don't want ovens fired up; I just want Jews to GO HOME! Make Aliyah, you have your homeland, Israel back."

"Leave us alone and we will leave you alone."
They can't do that, too easy.

Anonymous Steed May 20, 2016 2:49 AM  

I have been kicked, struck, furniture thrown at me, and cussed out for saying that `Israel` is of God`s Spirit. Once a man ran inside his house screaming that if I was still on his porch when he came out that he would blow my head off. As I walked back to my car he stepped out and leveled a double-barrel on me. I was amazed that he didn`t do it as he was shaking so badly. To understand `Christian- Zionism` of the Deep South, you have to know how it became common in the first place historicly speaking (i.e. Whites are the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel) and so `Jim Crow.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 2:51 AM  

@ Red

Not a Troll, just honest. White Nationalism will be about "hard work, assimilation, repatriation, taking care of the less fortunate and the stupid".

Ultra-Nationalism is a nightmare White ISIS/Nazi/Margeret Sanger eugenicss on steriods.

It is Pinochet with Stalin's, Mao's, Khmer Rouge and Rwanda's zeal to the max.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra May 20, 2016 2:53 AM  

Pope’s orders to change christianity and breed with Muslims - No way.

Jewish families want or hope their children date and marry within their faith.

Great.

We dont have anymore time for: PC, Holocaustianity, your lunatic neocon policies, feminism, nullsense stories like trashgen or transgen potty rooms, banker antics, financial rape - we dont have time or patience for this evil anymore.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 20, 2016 2:53 AM  

Mr Naron

If the nan who said;

"he who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

...was correct, then there's a direct link between current luniversity teaching, and the next holocaust.

So I guess it don't matter which you choose...

Blogger Lucas May 20, 2016 2:54 AM  

The Holo-card has expired.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 2:56 AM  

@ Steed

They will die or change their tune. Blessing jews doesn't mean dying for them.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 20, 2016 2:56 AM  

"I have been kicked, struck, furniture thrown at me, and cussed out for saying that `Israel` is of God`s Spirit. Once a man ran inside his house screaming that if I was still on his porch when he came out that he would blow my head off. As I walked back to my car he stepped out and leveled a double-barrel on me. I was amazed that he didn`t do it as he was shaking so badly. To understand `Christian- Zionism` of the Deep South, you have to know how it became common in the first place historicly speaking (i.e. Whites are the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel) and so `Jim Crow."
Can you give us a bit more detail ?

Anonymous Red May 20, 2016 2:58 AM  

The thing Jonah should worry about is the number of jews in high positions who are pushing the diversity invasions. That will ultimately cause a massive backlash against Jews in general as everyone gets more tribal in the face of diversity.

Anonymous Steed May 20, 2016 3:08 AM  

@21 As Someone once said, `` You can not reason a man out of a position that he wasn`t reasoned in to in the first place``. Gee, who was dat?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY May 20, 2016 3:10 AM  

do NOT fuck with Brother Naron one damn bit.
He's a straight up guy, and he hates ole'piss as much as I do.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 3:11 AM  

@ Red

"The thing Jonah should worry about is the number of jews in high positions who are pushing the diversity invasions. That will ultimately cause a massive backlash against Jews in general as everyone gets more tribal in the face of diversity."

Well.....DUH?!?!!!!!

That is precisely my and other White Nationalists' POINT!!!!!

Jews do -not- insulate themselves, they become -more exposed- even to low IQ turd-worlders. FFS, if a low-IQ pagan, animist west african holds this expression to heart...Even the smallest snake is like a Jew, it may have venom in it's belly.

It isn't as if Christians or Muslims went all over the world trading and said "by the way, Gas the Kikes!"

YOUR people went all over the world also and all people developed a hatred of you from Goa to Cochin to Tokyo to Terra del Fuego. It is your behaviour, not the words of others, that damn you.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 20, 2016 3:17 AM  

I'm over 40, have actually met a few holocaust survivors and even I am tired of the whole shoah

OK bad pun but the social capital and leverage from that nearly 3.4 century old event is nearly gone and the people left who care are aging White Neo-Cons and Zionists who are not going to be running the show a lot longer.

Another thing Goldberg ought to consider is 51% or so of kids are not White.

They are not only completely immune to Holocaust guilt but many actually dislike Jews entirely as does much of the Left.

That old leverage is gone and Israel a nation I support existing for the same reasons our host does is if it plans to depend on the US baring a US "re-whiting" is screwed in the next few decades,

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 3:30 AM  

@ A.B. Prosper


"...but the social capital and leverage from that nearly 3.4 century old event is nearly gone and the people left who care are aging White Neo-Cons and Zionists who are not going to be running the show a lot longer.

Another thing Goldberg ought to consider is 51% or so of kids are not White.

They are not only completely immune to Holocaust guilt but many actually dislike Jews entirely as does much of the Left."

Yep, exactly, they are just as clannish and hive-minded as the (((Chosen))) and don't give a shit. Whites bawl over slavery. Latinos and Arabs and Chinks still castrate blacks with ZFG as "beasts of the field". They had FAR more negro slaves than whites ever did and do not apologize for it ever.

The Chinese plan on conquering Africa when the SHTF and exterminating all the natives.

Blogger The Kurgan May 20, 2016 3:35 AM  

And Hank Coates has deleted his account. Ha!

Blogger ray May 20, 2016 3:37 AM  

Jonah Goldberg, whoever he is, does not represent Judaism. Or Israel.

Not even a good try.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 3:46 AM  

@ ray

"Jonah Goldberg, whoever he is, does not represent Judaism. Or Israel"

Problem is, he rhymes with it.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 4:21 AM  

Oh, and half of the New World Slave-owners were a special, self-chosen (((white))).

Why aren't we demanding van der sloots(dutch jews) lopez, monsantos(ladino sephardic jews) and all their descendants pay "40 acres and a mule+interest?"

Jews aren't Hajnalis, they won't be guilted for the "times and business".

Also, aside from Louis Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam digging documents up; jews were good at keeping their part in the New World Slave Trade quiet.

Anonymous Rona May 20, 2016 4:21 AM  

So sick of constant guilt pushing about the Holocaust, as if millions of others weren't horribly murdered during WWII.Even when I was a normie and largely sympathetic toward Jewish suffering I found it annoyed that it was always singled out, as if other ethnic groups haven't been massacred by the millions during that war.

Rona

Blogger rcocean May 20, 2016 4:37 AM  

I hate to be cynical, but there sure are a lot of children and grand-children of Holocaust survivors, aren't there? I mean, how many concentration camp survivors came to the USA anyway? Oh well. Maybe they all had super-big families. Or maybe some one exaggerating a bit.

Blogger rcocean May 20, 2016 4:39 AM  

OTOH, if the blacks can get $$$ for wanking on about slavery, and the Irish can whine about 1850 "no Irish need apply signs", maybe the Jews can bring up the Holocaust.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 4:49 AM  

@ Rona

I saw your response in another thread...

I agree, peaceful European Lands reclamation is preferable to the horror of Ultra-Nationalists that would put Hitler to shame.

It's not going to happen though, our great-great grandchildren will live "After Dachau".

And non-hajnalis will have nobody to blame but themselves. It will be a "Gattaca" and "Moonraker" world, the best of all races,species and ethnicities of the genus *Homo* allowed to live.

Blogger Phillip George May 20, 2016 4:49 AM  

When I look back on my own family history I note with unconstrained horror that every single person born before 1920 is now dead. Any denial of these statistics is the worst sort of historical revisionism.

I propose every city have it's own memorials to this unmitigated and ongoing carnage. We owe it to our forefathers and to theirs. To forget history is to repeat the year or change subjects. Hang on, what were we talking about?

Anonymous Rona May 20, 2016 5:08 AM  

rcocean wrote:OTOH, if the blacks can get $$$ for wanking on about slavery, and the Irish can whine about 1850 "no Irish need apply signs", maybe the Jews can bring up the Holocaust.

I don't have the fcking Irish threatening to put me in prison if I question their famine narrative.

They can whine about the holocaust as much as they want, to each other. In Israel. Have film festivals exclusively for WWII anti-German movies and turn the whole country in one giant Holocaust Museum. Just leave the rest of us alone.

Rona

Blogger Phillip George May 20, 2016 5:25 AM  

Well there's good money to be made in Armenian genocide denial. All sorts of brown paper bags of subsidies.
And who wouldn't want rebuild contracts for Iraq by denying Saddam's WMDs. Denial works well. Just follow the money.

Blogger Phillip George May 20, 2016 5:32 AM  

Ps. And gotta go: Jesus was Jewish; as was 100 percent of Christianity's first and finest. Anti Shemite only works so well.

Memory is always selective. 100 percent of the time.

Blogger Phillip George May 20, 2016 5:45 AM  

Actually Vox, Mr Goldberg isn't being Anti-Japhethitic is he? Wouldn't that be racism?

We don't want anti-Japhethites at our soiree! Who could enjoy a prawn cocktail with racists?

Blogger Krul May 20, 2016 5:49 AM  

I cared about the Holocaust when it was part of the "We saved the world from the Nazis! 'MURRICA!" narrative.

Now that it's part of the "If you're not a red commie, a fag, or a Muslim, then you're an ANTI-SEMITE so shut up and bend over!" narrative, I no longer care.

Anonymous George of the Jungle May 20, 2016 5:54 AM  

The vaunted Jewish intelligence must be highly overrated. They seem to be unable to discern the difference between "nationalism" and "Naziism". Two different words, two different meanings. You know, English?

Even a simple Venn diagram illustrates the difference. You know, math?

Blogger Phillip George May 20, 2016 6:08 AM  

Hamburgers, pork sausages and prawn cocktails are fundamental European rights.
Anyone standing in the way is an anti-Japhethitic racist and racism is bad, I saw that on CNN.

Blogger Robert What? May 20, 2016 6:08 AM  

The "holocaust" is how many Leftist and Cuckservative Jews try to stay in the Victim Semifinals. Never mind that none of them lived through it. That's the problem with relying on your victim cred too much: eventually another group displaces you in the "Victim Takes All" sweepstakes. Many Jews have discovered that to their chagrin. So have homosexual men.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 20, 2016 6:10 AM  

Bulldawgs?

Blogger Lovekraft May 20, 2016 6:11 AM  

Not anti-semitic.

Just not pro-semitic.

There's a huge difference.

One requires me to accept something. The other just wants to be left alone.

Blogger Phillip George May 20, 2016 6:13 AM  

Australian fundamental Japhethitic rights includes, beer, bikinis, and zinc cream, thongs and surfboards. Anyone getting in the way is an anti Japhethitic racist, and racism is bad.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 20, 2016 6:20 AM  

Bulldawgs?

Anonymous Quartermaster May 20, 2016 6:35 AM  

Back around 2003 Goldberg was owned by the Paleos. Gottfried completely humiliated the man, yet he wouldn't shut up. I warned about what he was doing to himself, and he argued with me. The man doesn't know when to shut up. It wasn't long before he was relieved of any responsibility for NRO.

Personally, I hold him in a richly deserved contempt. contempt.

Anonymous The Rights of Englishmen May 20, 2016 6:43 AM  

Warn them all you want, VD. Yours and their day is coming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EW9KS_ChrA

Anonymous Discard May 20, 2016 6:45 AM  

9. Eric the Red: If you think that Armenians don't whine about the Turks, you're not paying attention. For example, the Congressdick that represents Glendale, California, is always trying to stir the Turk-hating pot on behalf of his many Armenian constituents.

Blogger Servant of the Chief May 20, 2016 6:52 AM  

I do give a shit about the Holocaust, but only in the same sense that as a Christian I give a shit about the genocide of any other peoples. The Trail of Tears and other such things. But not out of guilt. I'm a Catholic, my Pope at the time did his best to save as many Jews as was possible, I have nothing to be guilty about even if we include ancestry and association.

I don't care about the holocaust in the same sense no Jew would care about the Potato famine or the occasional genocide of Irish by the British (most notably during the war of the 3 Kingdoms where we were nearly 50% wiped out and reduced to owning a quarter of the island) nor should a Jew care unless he was also Irish.

I care more about the Armenian genocide, both because I hate and despise the Turk and because it is still relevant today with the struggles of the Assyrians and the ISIS pogroms of Eastern Christians. THAT shit I care about most definitely, the Holocaust can wait at the back of the line.

Anonymous anger management May 20, 2016 6:56 AM  

Stereotypical Jewish culture (i.e. Judaism) is like a mass form of NPD (narcissistic personality disorder).

Per the Mayo Clinic:

'Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.'

Sound familiar?

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 20, 2016 6:57 AM  


Enough already. I never hear Armenians whining about 75% of their people obliterated by our good NATO friends the Turks.


Dude, even the Kardashians will chew your ear off about the Armenian genocide if you give them half a chance.

You don't hear so much about it because Armenians (or for that matter Russian Poles or Don Cossacks or Anatolian Greeks) don't have anywhere near as big a center of influence in the entertainment industry.

If you want an easy Oscar, make a movie about the Shoah.

Blogger Gaiseric May 20, 2016 7:38 AM  

Mr. Naron wrote:So, I can stop teaching the Holocaust now and teach the horrors of going to college in the 90s instead?
No, of course not. The holocaust should absolutely be taught. As part of the greater narrative of Leftist mass murders during the 20th century, comparable to the Holodomor, and chump-killing compared to guys like Mao.

And then it should be studied as an exercise is revenge against the Germans and Western civilization overall, and how it was successfully spun into a Narrative that was used for decades as a bludgeon for guilt-tripping and blackmail. How it was used to suppress the fundamental right of free speech, especially of those who had legitimate questions about the factual accuracy of the details of the narrative, like Richard Verrall, etc.

Seen in its proper context, the holocaust is a much more important (and interesting!) story than the one in the semitophile narrative that we're all indoctrinated with shamelessly.

Anonymous George of the Jungle May 20, 2016 7:43 AM  

The Jewish left uses past history as guilty cudgel to excoriate its enemies, and future history as utopian carrot to arouse its minions.

Blogger Phillip George May 20, 2016 7:56 AM  

If only it were mere history Gaiseric. Unfortunately an Air-Egypt plane disappearing off the radar these last 48 hours is a part of the ongoing narration.

Satanists are, isn't history. It's news. In biology the parasite destroying the host isn't a success, it's just the homeless parasite; slightly more pathetic than when actively choking the life out of something. Commiserations to all the dead hosts.

If people could learn to call pathetic pathetic we would have a beginning.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 20, 2016 8:00 AM  

@Gaiseric

What you said.

Anonymous Big Bill May 20, 2016 8:12 AM  

Waitasec. Jonah Goldberg, the famed originator of "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" has his panties in a twist over "disgusting and bigoted" comments?

Blogger Billy May 20, 2016 8:14 AM  

I would care more about the holocaust if it actually happened. A ten minute Google search confirms that it was allied (jewish inspired) war propaganda. Later it was etched in the history books for maximum white feelbad.

Blogger Billy May 20, 2016 8:15 AM  

"I hate to be cynical, but there sure are a lot of children and grand-children of Holocaust survivors,". - Aren't they all

Blogger Anchorman May 20, 2016 8:19 AM  

The US spent enough blood and treasure to stop the genocide and give Jews a new start.

There's no reason for guilt or, for that matter, a special relationship. If anything, they owe us.

Anonymous krymneth May 20, 2016 8:19 AM  

It seems to me he misinterprets you as making a normative claim instead of a merely descriptive one. It is not that nobody "should" care, it is your claim that nobody does care. "Nobody" here in its colloquial (and quite well-established) meaning of "not a lot of people relatively speaking".

Which is another demonstration of how leftism has pervaded the non-alt-right right; the inability to see any claim as anything but normative is a major leftist cognitive weakness I've noticed. Part of (though by no mean the only part of) the reason you can't argue facts with a leftist is that they can't hear facts, only normative claims. You say something as simple as "IQ is Gaussian-distributed" and they hear you say "It is right and proper for IQ to be Gaussian-distributed". There's nowhere good the conversation goes after that. Bonus points when they don't even know what that means, which is really easy for them when they live in a world that contains no facts because it only contains normative claims... it's awfully hard to understand even simple math if you think it's a series of normative claims.

Anonymous Southern Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrump May 20, 2016 8:48 AM  

Let me state the constitutional conservative position as simply as possible:

Anti-semitism should be outlawed.

It is NOT free speech. Neither is Nazism of any forms. That is all.

#NeverTrump

Anonymous Faceless May 20, 2016 8:48 AM  

I thought facts didn't care about feelings? Mr. Goldberg really wants the facts to care about his feelings.

Nobody cares about the Cold War. Nobody cares about the Holocaust. Nobody cared about "the Crusades" until GWB+Obama started using federal propaganda to support that view as a way to get an advantage against the west, and then it's just propaganda and virtue signaling. Nobody cares about the Armenian genocide. Nobody cares about the Holodomor. Nobody cares about the Irish famine. Nobody cares about the plight of the hairy Ainu.

These things do not enter into the calculus for the average person getting through the day. The average person on the street doesn't know who is vice president or whether Mr. Obama is for or against abortion on demand.

The more leftist America gets, the more completely ambivalent people will be when confronted by historical atrocities if there's no chance they can virtue signal by having the most arcane political cause. We already know that leftism is a mental disfunction where they can't properly see negative things and so don't realize they are filthy. Given how protected most western children are from such atrocities as dodge ball or keeping score in a competitive team sport, having these things brought to the fore of their consciouses would probably be paralyzing.

Blogger Dexter May 20, 2016 8:50 AM  

I especially like this "logic":

1. "Nazis were bad because they stereotyped all Jews based on the beliefs or actions of a few."

2. "Hey, look at this one anti-Semitic Trump supporter! ALL TRUMPKINS ARE NAZIS!"

Anonymous Faceless May 20, 2016 8:52 AM  

Southern Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrump wrote:Let me state the constitutional conservative position as simply as possible:

Anti-semitism should be outlawed.

It is NOT free speech. Neither is Nazism of any forms. That is all.

#NeverTrump


Of course, all that matters is who has cultural hegemony to decide what label is applied to which speech, right? Disagreeing with Jonah Goldberg is antisemitism, right? Like Cruz's policy disagreements with Obama were racism?

As a southerner - a group targeted for deracination after the Civil War and the obliteration of Southern identity under the wheels of Yankeedom - and as a Cruz supporter - a man whose views were identified by the leftists as more fascist than Trump - you will get to experience what your forebears experienced again by those who get to decide what is and is not acceptable for you to say and think. History rhymes, right?

Blogger VFM #7634 May 20, 2016 8:55 AM  

@63 Southern Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrump

And you're on the wrong side of history, just like Jonah Goldberg.

Besides being wrong, of course. We think it's a good thing to see Jews turning against SJWs and cucks.

The more the merrier.

Blogger tz May 20, 2016 8:58 AM  

The millennials are the product of the public schools teaching moral relativism.
Christians were warning the cuckservatives.
The millennials care about trans-rights and gay marriage and think that's worse than the holocaust.
They don't care about religious and ethnic cleansing any more than Mao or Stalin.
Unlike the Mexican and Muslim immigrants who are practicing it.
Goldberg helped tear down the wall of Christendom in America. And wonders why the thoroughly secularized society from SJW left to alt-right doesn't care.
Oh, and maybe 60 million dead babies by abortion is a bigger holocaust that Goldberg has been supporting, ignoring, and denying. Whom the Gods destroy...

Blogger tz May 20, 2016 9:03 AM  

Southern Brain Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrumpMay 20, 2016 8:48 AM

Let me state the constitutional conservative position as simply as possible:

Anti-semitism should be outlawed.


And slavery should be legal as you would be referring to the CSA constitution.

In my US originalist constitutional conservative view, thought and speech which is not incitement is a right.

Maybe though we should not let people shout "holocaust" in a crowded public venue.

Blogger bob k. mando May 20, 2016 9:03 AM  

if anybody has a twatter account and wants to use this, i don't have any problem with you posting these @ the littlest chickencuck ( we're gonna need a smaller oven )

Jews; the original racists

Jews; the original genocidal maniacs #rememberJericho #remembertheCanaanites

you could also ask Ben when Israel plans to apologize to China for creating the opium dens of China.

Blogger ZhukovG May 20, 2016 9:05 AM  

@63
You may have been born in The South, but your attitude is pure New England Leftist.

Blogger tz May 20, 2016 9:06 AM  

Or Stalin's genocide against the Ukrainians. 7.5M, covered up and ignored.
Like Nanking and Juanita Broderick

Blogger CarpeOro May 20, 2016 9:12 AM  

Early morning, but did Trump disown his son-in-law and daughter? I just checked and didn't see the story online. Where does the bar sit for being an anti-Semite? Not being circumcised? Not saying "Israel first"?

SFCV - put down the weed and after a couple weeks you're brain will cease to be quite as fried.

Blogger Rusty Fife May 20, 2016 9:12 AM  

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Blogger bob k. mando May 20, 2016 9:20 AM  

also,
Jews; what happened to Jonah's shade plant?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 20, 2016 9:30 AM  

The Holocaust happened generally as the 1948 Convention on Genocide was written.

But it got turned into an industry ran by short sighted leftists out to make a buck.

White Genocide matters much more these days.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak May 20, 2016 9:31 AM  

Coal Fired Brisket wrote:I'm curious when the VFM will begin to dine on cuck blood.

Cuck blood is fine as a snack, but to weak for true sustenance.

Blogger Nick S May 20, 2016 9:32 AM  

One would think not caring would be less clamorous.

Blogger John S May 20, 2016 9:46 AM  

Not anti-semitic.

Just not pro-semitic.

There's a huge difference.

One requires me to accept something. The other just wants to be left alone.


Counter-semitic?

Blogger Murray May 20, 2016 9:56 AM  

The Holocaust would be easier to take seriously if its victims could dispassionately answer some of the questions raised by revisionists:

- How did the Auschwitz gas chambers function efficiently enough to murder thousands of people per day with poorly sealed wooden doors that opened inwards, preventing the workers from entering the packed rooms to remove the bodies?

- How were thousands of corpses per day moved upstairs to the crematorium using a small dumb-waiter?

- How were the same thousands cremated using only a handful of single-person ovens, every day for months or years on end?

- How much coal was required to burn hundreds of thousands of corpses, and where did it come from?

- How could the Germans divert so much coal from the war effort simply in order to waste it burning corpses?

Among many other such questions. I'm not a Holocaust denier myself, but it's striking that whenever I've seen people attempt to "rebut" these questions, their answers rely heavily on invective and name-calling instead of calm, reasoned explanations.

Blogger J May 20, 2016 9:57 AM  

@33 they are playing word games... what they really should be saying is "My (grand)parents survived through the time period of the holocaust... they weren't in camps"

The only "survivor" I've ever met was a stereotypical shady business man who turned out to be faking his tale of woe. He screwed over my family business... I'm still in shock over how much of a stereotype this guy turned out to be, it was like /pol/ used meme magic to bring him to life.

Anonymous karsten May 20, 2016 10:02 AM  

Jonah Golberg worthy of "respect"?

That's a laugh. Just another Israel-firster. He should GTFO.

Blogger Gaiseric May 20, 2016 10:04 AM  

@80: I certainly won't deny that the holocaust happened. But the details are clearly grossly exaggerated. There is no way whatsoever logistically that 6 million Jews were killed. It's debatable if there even were 6 million Jews in all of Europe at the dawn of the war.

According to guys like Goldberg, this makes me a raging, anti-semitic Holocaust denier. According to me, that makes him a blithering idiot who's screaming to keep his precious narrative from being exposed.

Anonymous Southern Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrump May 20, 2016 10:06 AM  

Russell Moore ‏@drmoore May 18
Christians, our Lord Jesus Christ is a Jew, of the tribe of Judah. Anti-semitism, or alliance with anti-Semitism, is literally anti-Christ.
https://twitter.com/drmoore/status/732953169848864768

Blogger Gaiseric May 20, 2016 10:06 AM  

Phillip George wrote:If only it were mere history Gaiseric.
Oh, I know. But if you don't understand history in its proper context, then you probably are completely clueless when it comes to understanding the present.

Blogger Murray May 20, 2016 10:16 AM  

@84: Agreed. I watched several YouTube lectures and Q&A sessions by the "notorious" Holocaust revisionist historian David Irving--whose knowledge of the primary sources is widely agreed to be second to none--and while he indeed argues that very few Jews were killed in the camps, he maintains that a huge number (perhaps in the millions) were shot and disposed of in mass graves all over Eastern Europe during the course of the war.

To be sure, dumping thousands of human beings in mass graves is just as evil as gassing them in chambers, but it's kind of tawdry by comparison. It certainly doesn't have that cinematic Darth Vaderish quality that furnishes so much of our mental space, thanks to Hollywood and its like.

Blogger Dexter May 20, 2016 10:16 AM  

(sigh) All you "it never happened" guys are missing the point.

The point is WE DON'T CARE. You cannot manipulate us by playing that card. Holocaustianity is done!

Blogger Murray May 20, 2016 10:27 AM  

@85: Modern ( i.e. Rabbinic Talmudic) Judaism is a very different religion to that practiced by Christ and his Apostles. It is directly descended from the very Pharasaic Judaism condemned by Christ, and was heavily retooled after the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. In all important ways, it is younger than Christianity, and largely defines itself in hostile opposition to it. The Talmudic commentaries are full of obscene calumnies against Jesus Christ and his mother, not to mention the bizarre "origin stories" of how he stole power from God in order to work his miracles.

Blogger Ingot9455 May 20, 2016 10:27 AM  

Murray, if you get into the military history of it, you'll find many sources getting into how much money and material Hitler spent on exterminating Jews and undesirables. The wargaming crowd we have here goes into twitch-fits about how militarily stupid it was and how Hitler and his crew could have better used their resources. It's a big part of alternate histories too so it's well researched.
It's important to look at it in context of the 'occult' group under Hitler, the guys researching ancient castles and doing Wodenist volk rituals and stuff. When the war got hot and the money got tight, Hitler dropped them like a hot rock. But he kept spending and spending on the killing efforts, right up until the end.
I don't know if that 'rebuts' your comment about coal but it gives you where to look.

Anonymous Hunsdon May 20, 2016 10:29 AM  

Who now remembers the Amalakites?

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 10:30 AM  

So, I can stop teaching the Holocaust now and teach the horrors of going to college in the 90s instead?

Yes. Those are the two options: either we never, ever learn anything about it OR we beat it into white kids as the worst thing to ever happen ever in history and they can never notice anything about jewish in-group preferences or it's another Shoah, like the nomination of Donald Trump is also, you anti-semite.

You are teaching children? I think I see the problem.

And them good ol' boys were drinkin' whisky and rye
the Year
the Shoah...
Died.

Blogger Krul May 20, 2016 10:30 AM  

Southern Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrump wrote:Christians, our Lord Jesus Christ is a Jew, of the tribe of Judah.

Yeah, but he didn't have a high opinion of the Pharisees, who were the founding fathers of modern Judaism:

"The most important of the three were the Pharisees because they are the spiritual fathers of modern Judaism" - Jewish Virtual Library

"After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Pharisaic beliefs became the foundational, liturgical and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism (the term 'Judaism' today almost always refers to Rabbinic Judaism)." -

Anonymous Athor Pel May 20, 2016 10:31 AM  

" 63. Anonymous Southern Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrump May 20, 2016 8:48 AM
Let me state the constitutional conservative position as simply as possible:

Anti-semitism should be outlawed.

It is NOT free speech. Neither is Nazism of any forms.
..."



You're funny.
The retards I know personally don't make category errors like you do.



" 85. Anonymous Southern Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrump May 20, 2016 10:06 AM
Russell Moore ‏@drmoore May 18
Christians, our Lord Jesus Christ is a Jew, of the tribe of Judah. Anti-semitism, or alliance with anti-Semitism, is literally anti-Christ.
https://twitter.com/drmoore/status/732953169848864768"



You're still making category errors. Damn but you're stupid. Can't even write your own comment, gotta rip off a tweet from somebody else.

Blogger Krul May 20, 2016 10:33 AM  

Forgot to post the link:

"After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Pharisaic beliefs became the foundational, liturgical and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism (the term 'Judaism' today almost always refers to Rabbinic Judaism)." - Wikipedia

Blogger Gaiseric May 20, 2016 10:38 AM  

I'm pretty sure Southern Fried Cruz is a sarcastic troll, not making serious arguments.

Blogger tz May 20, 2016 10:39 AM  

@84 the same Jews called for Barabbas release and for Christ's crucifixion. If they will take the responsibility for murdering an innocent man...

Places like NR purged people like Joe Sobran, Pat Buchanan, and others for not being rabidly pro (socialist secular state of) Israel. But you replaced them with socialist neo-cons. Now you wonder why no one is left to defend you on principle?

One in four is slaughtered daily here in the USA, so where is all the outrage against anit-fetalism?

Anonymous VFM #6062 May 20, 2016 10:41 AM  

I didn't even call out the VFM.

Tease.

Blogger Serr8d May 20, 2016 10:42 AM  

RE: #5, LP9 The boomers dont know the mil lens are going to kill them due to livid violent rage.

One thing youth learned throughout the ages (except perhaps spoiled millennials):

Don’t mess with the old man. Because, he *will* kill you. And not even light a candle after.

RE: #29, Ray Jonah Goldberg, whoever he is,

Jonah Goldberg’s been writing well since, well, forever. At some point required reading (for you) is his

“Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change”

published 2009. Available on Kindle from Amazon. Do try to keep up.

Regards,

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 20, 2016 10:44 AM  

Poor jonah the yid.

That half-baked Trotskyite (he even looks like Levon Bornstein) doesn't even technically qualify as one of the master race. He mother is a shiksa. Paul Gottfried even called him out on that one. As for any respect for him - that all evaporated when he participated in the defenestration of Derb (because rayciss). Another dual-citizen who need to self-deport.

Blogger Murray May 20, 2016 10:45 AM  

@94: Right. Too many modern Christians have adopted the view that Rabbinic Judaism is essentially Christianity Without Christ, but it's far weirder (and more interesting) than that.

@89: Perhaps, but my point was that there's a host of logical and logistical hurdles to overcome in the mainstream Holocaust narrative, coal being just one of them. Those overworked crematoria, for one. At some point, according to the narrative, the Germans dug up a huge mass grave near Auschwitz where they'd buried hundreds of thousands of earlier victims, simply in order to burn the bodies to hide the evidence. This, while they were simultaneously gassing and cremating hundreds or thousands of new victims per day. You don't need to have a conspiratorial mindset to wonder how they could possibly have accomplished this.

Blogger tz May 20, 2016 10:47 AM  

2. ?????
Ignore the shrieks of outrage by the elites (both parties) and show they have no power over us, with Trump winning in a landslide because - as Cruz and Beck and the rest of the GOP nominee field learned, the shrieking no longer works and now rebounds on the shrieker (the NYT hit piece), and shrieking is their only weapon.

We are now taunting you with the same "hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil".

Anonymous DemsRRealFascists May 20, 2016 10:49 AM  

"Jonah Goldberg’s been writing well since, well, forever. At some point required reading (for you) is his"

LIBURALS ARE TEH REAL FASCISTS

Stay tuned for TRUMPKINS BE THE REAL RACISSS (WHY TRUMP IS THE REAL DEMOCRAT) due in 2017.

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 10:49 AM  

One in four is slaughtered daily here in the USA, so where is all the outrage against anit-fetalism?

Dammit. I was having a good morning, and you went and reminded me that I do in fact live in what is quite plausibly a post rapture hellscape.

Blogger The Other Robot May 20, 2016 10:52 AM  

It seems that BLMiality is more important these days.

A black woman who committed a crime and was in possession of a lethal weapon (a car) is shot and killed and the Police Chief has to resign. Why is he not given an award?

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 10:55 AM  

Don’t mess with the old man. Because, he *will* kill you. And not even light a candle after.

Yep. The boomers slaughtered their infants to Baal and abandoned the ones they let live in record numbers, and are currently selling the few that managed to make a buck into Le Perpetual Debt Yoke to finance their retirement, all the while filling up the white country *they* grew up in with ethnics so they don't have to pay much for lawn care.

Millennials better harden up: they are dealing with a generation of sociopaths.

The good news is that X literally does not give a fuck and will happily gas and oven any and all comers, so we'll be good shock troops.

Blogger Serr8d May 20, 2016 10:57 AM  

Regarding the Jews, and Zionism..

There’s a tight bond between Christians and the Jewish people. Yes, Jesus was a Jew. Yes, God bestowed privileges on those born Jewish. There’s no changing that now. The Tribe has been tight for centuries; and is likely the only fully-developed, intelligent tribe left on this planet. No other tribe can compare. There’s no other tribe with tribal roots that matter.

So, today, billions and billions of tribeless (trilobites?) are born and expect somehow to sustain on this groaning mudball. They encounter The Tribe and are jealous of their history and of their sustainability. Thus we see this universal hatred & friction.

But know this: unless The Tribe self-destructs (as can be seen happening, secular Jews who could care less about their own history or their heritage, pulling away from their roots and losing interest) so-called ‘goyim’ will face resistance to their needless hatred and lack of understanding.

I fully expect this to happen: at some point, Islamic nuclear devices will detonate in Jerusalem, or in some other Israeli city. Israel will respond with overwhelming force, and Mecca and Medina will become glass skating rinks for centuries to come. No more visiting Mecca to pray to a black meteorite.

And Jewish people will survive that next holocaust, and will continue to be The Tribe. Because, sustainability.

Blogger The Other Robot May 20, 2016 10:58 AM  

This, while they were simultaneously gassing and cremating hundreds or thousands of new victims per day. You don't need to have a conspiratorial mindset to wonder how they could possibly have accomplished this.

Well, the Germans are the ubermenschen after all.

Blogger James May 20, 2016 11:00 AM  

The globalist new world order scumbags have hijacked the history of the so-called "holocaust" the way the atheist liberal communists hijacked the history of the Inquisition. As a Protestant type I notice that the lefties love to lump me in with the Roman Catholics and make the Inquisition out to be a purely anti-Semitic event perpetrated by all Christians equally, when the truth is that everyone who refused to bow down and kiss the ring of the Papists was persecuted. I've heard that about 68 million people were killed by the Inquisition counting from the 13th to the 19th century. Most of those people could not have been Jews. As for the Nazi's, it is clear that they really had it in for the Jews in a special way. But the lesson of the Nazi's is far more general and broad than merely being about anti-Semitism. Isn't it?

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 11:03 AM  

The Inquisition did nothing wrong.

Blogger tz May 20, 2016 11:04 AM  

@98 - the boomers will starve to death with their retirement accounts raided and their trust funds (social security) filled with unpayable worthless IOUs.

The boomers and the millennials are both nihilistic and deserve each other.

The #AltRight is likely to be part of that simply because it thinks Christendom is optional. The pendulum will swing back and far the other way. Gamma Rabbit will not be replaced by natural law or the rule of law, or Imperfect Saint, or the Philosopher Statesman, but Alpha Wolf.

The question being asked is which kind of chestless men do we want - which uncontrolled passions are best - not that they be controlled. To the pink dystopias we see falling apart we are offered blue dystopias.

This is the mistake of the Buckleys and the Goldbergs. In the name of unity they kicked out the foundations and are left with a hollow movement.

In this sign you will conquer did not show an elephant. Yet all we talk about is elephants.

Blogger BunE22 May 20, 2016 11:08 AM  

I saw this in that Twitter discussion:

Jimbo Kearney@JimboDKearney
@dano2880 I'm not Jewish, but antisemites like you are the lowest form of life on earth.

Lower than pedophiles?
Lower than murderers?
Lower than rapists?
Lower than terrorists?







Blogger Serr8d May 20, 2016 11:08 AM  

Yep. The boomers slaughtered their infants to Baal and abandoned the ones they let live in record numbers, and are currently selling the few that managed to make a buck into Le Perpetual Debt Yoke to finance their retirement, all the while filling up the white country *they* grew up in with ethnics so they don’t have to pay much for lawn care.

Boomers gave their kids everything that they didn’t have. Got iPhone? iToys didn’t exist; internet didn’t exist.

All that existed Before Boomers was a rough world without toys. You’d likely never survived then, with the attitude and privileges you expect now.

Recall Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs? Millennials were born already on the 4th rung, having been given their earlier needs by their parents. The 4th rung is “Esteem”. The most ‘notable’ millennials today are fighting a fight for their Esteem, seeking ‘safe spaces’ that are the ultimate in hubris for a species that edges minutes away from oblivion.

When the next US Civil War is fought, expect the dying. Plenty of it. And after, survivors must contend with the first three levels of Maslow’s Hierarchy that they haven’t had need to worry about.

Expect it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 11:08 AM  

Southern Fried Cruz Voter #NeverTrump wrote:Let me state the constitutional conservative position as simply as possible:
Anti-semitism should be outlawed.
It is NOT free speech. Neither is Nazism of any forms. That is all.

Let me state the Nationalist conservative position as simply as possible:
Never-Trumpism should be outlawed.
It is NOT free speech. Neither is Cuckservatism of any forms.
That is all.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 11:15 AM  

James wrote:I've heard that about 68 million people were killed by the Inquisition counting from the 13th to the 19th century.

Oh dearGod. The ACTUAL number is around 3000. Over 600 years. About 5 per year. Don't believe everything an Protestant tells you about Catholicism.

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 11:16 AM  

Boomers gave their kids everything that they didn’t have.

You are absolutely right. iPhones, a country full of diversity, the doctors knife, broken homes, a service economy, crushing student debt... the list just goes on and on and on.

Would you mind getting in the oven to clean it?

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 11:18 AM  

Snidely, don't break the conditioning!

Christian D&C has been the plan for 1000 years... what if it stopped working?

Blogger Feather Blade May 20, 2016 11:20 AM  

@80 and @83

Come now, these were Germans. If any people could find a way to industrialize mass murder and corpse disposal, it would be they.

I'm shocked that you would so doubt the capabilities of Deutschland and her people.

Anonymous Bo Sears May 20, 2016 11:21 AM  

The Jewish Century (1913-2013) is over. While we still live in the precariously balanced state of recovery, when a major presidential candidate can declare, "I don't have time for political correctness," without punishment, the hand is writing on the wall.

Blogger BunE22 May 20, 2016 11:23 AM  

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but next season of Survivor is Millennials vs. Gen X.

Blogger Serr8d May 20, 2016 11:28 AM  

You are absolutely right. iPhones, a country full of diversity, the doctors knife, broken homes, a service economy, crushing student debt… the list just goes on and on and on.

Awwwwww, pooor baaaby~! I so feel your pain!

My grandfather, who raised me, lived through the Great Depression, welded together ‘Liberty Ships’ in Mobile. Hot work. He’d tell stories of ‘Hoovervilles’, those rattletrap maxi-pad cities that sprung up outside bigger ‘burbs, filled with the starving and the homeless.

Cats were also known as ‘roof chickens’. One in every pot. If you were lucky.

If not for the debt Barcky bestowed on future generations (TARP &c.) your pot might instead be filled with your little sister.

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 11:33 AM  

If not for the debt Barcky bestowed on future generations (TARP &c.) your pot might instead be filled with your little sister.

Heh

Blogger bob k. mando May 20, 2016 11:39 AM  

109. James May 20, 2016 11:00 AM
As for the Nazi's, it is clear that they really had it in for the Jews in a special way.



really?

you do know who the first people the Nazis started murdering were ... right?

Blogger Timmy3 May 20, 2016 11:42 AM  

With all the Muslims imports, like who cares? The leftists at academia are the actual anti-semites. They are remaking Roots. No one cares. One last gift for Obama.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra May 20, 2016 11:46 AM  

It also appears that Jonah needs to review the posts Vox wrote on (D) dialectic versus (R) rhetoric. Also, its not a fight but a discourse, simple, open discourse.

Mile, Nero and Vox seem to operate on the D less on the R.

Blogger Gaiseric May 20, 2016 11:46 AM  

I like Heartiste's theory that one of the main reasons that the Nazis hated the Jews so much was because Hitler was a stupid little gamma as a teenager who had a crush on a Jewish princess who never acknowledged his presence.

That said; Hitler's ability to notice what the Jews were up to in Germany has not ever really been refuted by anything to my knowledge. Only what he decided that the Final Solution needed to be.

Anonymous BGKB May 20, 2016 11:48 AM  

Nobody cares. The Hispanics don't care. The blacks don't care. The Asians don't care. Most whites don't anymore.

Moslems don't think it happened but that it should have.

"Victim Takes All" sweepstakes. Many Jews have discovered that to their chagrin. So have homosexual men.

Queens still TRUMP Spades because we raise property values.

Boomers gave their kids everything that they didn’t have.

Affirmative action, 80IQ blacks in college on taxpayers expense, single moms, did away with gold standard, and now bearded men in little girls bathrooms while target sues hero that stopped a black homeless felon from stabbing a blond girl to death.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/19/this-man-saved-a-girl-from-being-stabbed-to-death-and-now-target-is-suing-him-for-it/
here is a realist account of the attack http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2013/03/pittsburgh-homeless-black-fugitive-leon.html

Blogger Serr8d May 20, 2016 11:53 AM  

Heh. You put the hat on a cartoon frog. I used a *real* frog. )

Blogger Marsh May 20, 2016 12:03 PM  

VFM?

Anonymous Laz May 20, 2016 12:14 PM  

@101. Murray

"You don't need to have a conspiratorial mindset to wonder how they could possibly have accomplished this."

I know how they did it... amphetamines.

Blogger John Williams May 20, 2016 12:17 PM  

this was really nothing. I didn't even call out the VFM.
Dang, my canines are growing long. I need a bone to chew on.

Blogger VD May 20, 2016 12:23 PM  

The Tribe has been tight for centuries; and is likely the only fully-developed, intelligent tribe left on this planet. No other tribe can compare. There’s no other tribe with tribal roots that matter.

They're not even "the Tribe". They're at least 80 percent Italian. Possibly as little as 7 percent Semitic.

DNA is a bitch.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 12:27 PM  

VD wrote:They're at least 80 percent Italian.
Which honestly explains a lot.

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 12:31 PM  

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Blogger James Dixon May 20, 2016 12:32 PM  

> There’s no other tribe with tribal roots that matter.

You've never been to Appalachia, I see.

> When the next US Civil War is fought, expect the dying. Plenty of it. And after, survivors must contend with the first three levels of Maslow’s Hierarchy that they haven’t had need to worry about.

Tell us something we don't know. The first US Civil war kill around 600,000 people, about 2% of the population. We currently have over 300 million, and the second will be worse. You do the math.

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 12:38 PM  

Our history is filled with tragedies. The Shoah is just one more in a long series since Abraham bought a plot of ground to bury his wife. However, the Shoah, to my knowledge, is the only one that has been exploited and promulgated to the degree that it has. And I do not think the exploitation has anything to do with the availability of mass media or post modernism. But something else all together.

For this is not the case when it came to Pharaoh, the Amalekites, to Nebuchadnezzar, to Haman, to Antiochus Epiphanes, to Titus, to the Tzars . . etc. We established fast days to mourn the siege upon Jerusalem and destruction of our Temple; Purim and Chanukah to commemorate G-d's victories and deliverance, but we did not exploit them to garner the sympathy of the world or use them to manipulate others.

So, what's the rub? I think it's simple. A simple principle. When we fast on the 9th of Av to mourn the destruction of the Temple and numerous other tragedies throughout our history, for example, we are not mourning the destruction of the Temple, but we are supposed to be reflecting upon and mourning the reason it was destroyed, the reasons that various and sundry tragedies have befallen our people throughout the ages, tragedies which have been due in large part to putting Hashem behind our backs and forgetting Him. Tragedies largely of our own making.

We even have a tradition which extols the mercies of G-d for the fact that He poured out His wrath primarily upon the Temple, while merely sending us into exile for a determined period of time, and preserving us. Sadly, we seem to be suffering from collective amnesia.

That is the great disconnect when it comes to the Shoah. "Never again!" is the response and slogan of a people who, in the face of a terrible calamity, stubbornly refuse to brook the possibility that the calamity was orchestrated by hashgahah (Divine Providence). So, "Never again!" becomes the slogan of a people determined to press on in their own strength and the strength, sympathy, and guilt of others, while continuing to reject and deny the real Source of their strength and His call upon their lives.

I truly believe that if we were connected with the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, we would view the tragedy in a completely different light, a light that would not cause us to exploit the tragedy for our own ends, but one that would cause deep self-reflection and eventually cause us to return to the G-d we have offended when we decided to put Him behind our back in the first place. No one ever experiences true triumph through tragedy by whining about the tragedy and certainly not by exploiting it.

We are only triumphant through tragedy when we can sincerely say with Job: Should we only accept good from G-d and not evil? Though he slay me, yet I will hope in Him! Until that day comes, we should start thinking seriously about changing our slogan from "Never again!" to "Again and again!"

As far as Jonah Goldberg and a whole host of others like him are concerned, he is a blind guide leading the blind. And we all know what happens when the blind are leading the blind.

Anonymous BernardWitz May 20, 2016 12:53 PM  

Many of the ideas and opinions expressed in this thread by culture thugs who pine for another Jewish cleansing is the primary reason millions of young and old people understand teaching and recalling the cult of evil that created the Holocaust is necessary.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum May 20, 2016 12:56 PM  

I don't care about the holocaust. Why should I? I was born 40 years after it happened.

If Jews really wanted it to not happen again, they would push for mandatory gun ownership and training.

Blogger Sevron May 20, 2016 1:03 PM  

They might also knock it off with the "Chosen People" and "Heal the World" business too.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 1:05 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:Many of the ideas and opinions expressed in this thread by culture thugs who pine for another Jewish cleansing is the primary reason millions of young and old people understand teaching and recalling the cult of evil that created the Holocaust is necessary.

Has it occured to you Bernard that the PRIMARY reason that Jews were enslaved and murdered in Europe is because they deliberately and en masse turned their backs on God and defied Him to do anything about it?

Anonymous BernardWitz May 20, 2016 1:11 PM  

Snidely,
Yes. It had. It has been suggested by a number of people. Like most people, I dismissed the idea, mainly for the idiocy and wrongheadedness of the idea.

Blogger Mr. Naron May 20, 2016 1:14 PM  

Gaiseric

That's exactly how I teach it. It's part of the unit we do on Totalitarianism, which includes the Armenian Genocide, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, and the Killing Fields of Cambodia. I even throw in Belgium's rape of the Congo because King Leopold was the darling of the progressive intelligentsia who gladly enabled his atrocities. The most recent narrative about Leopold shows how it was conservative Christians and free marketers that sought to open everyone's eyes to the horror, but the author characterized it as "ironic".

Brother Mosby,

Ole Miss must answer for their crimes which are arguably worse than all this other stuff we're talking about.

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 1:17 PM  

@141 BernardWitz

"Like most people, I dismissed the idea, mainly for the idiocy and wrongheadedness of the idea."

Please enlighten us about the 'idiocy and wrongheadedness of the idea'.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 1:18 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:Yes. It had. It has been suggested by a number of people. Like most people, I dismissed the idea, mainly for the idiocy and wrongheadedness of the idea.
So THIS time is utterly unlike every other time, unlike all of the Torah and the Law and the Prophets.
Because Germans aren't Persians or Egyptians.
Good to know.

Blogger Murray May 20, 2016 1:25 PM  

@140: No, what happened was that one of the most civilized and highly cultured societies on earth just went completely insane for no reason at all and decided to pick on Jews.

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 1:31 PM  

@145 Murray

No, what happened was that one of the most civilized and highly cultured societies on earth just went completely insane for no reason at all and decided to pick on Jews.

Not before we went insane by trying to reform and assimilate ourselves into oblivion, thinking that ingratiating ourselves to the nations would result in emancipation and acceptance. How's that been working out for us so far?

Time to wake up.

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 1:42 PM  

Time to wake up.

For all of us.

Like Nassim Taleb said, "Balkanization works"

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 1:48 PM  

Incog man's Jewish Media Octopus List

I'm completely stunned at some of the names I see. Kathy Gifford? Katey Couric? Geraldo Riveira? Ted friggin' Koppel?!? How many crypto-jews and name-changers are there? It is all one big pile of kike bull-shit!

Blogger Murray May 20, 2016 2:01 PM  

@130: Amphetamines don't make corpses burn any faster.

@118: Well, that's kind of the point. Germany had (and still has) some of the best engineers in the world, and the only things they could come up with were these kludgy, poorly thought-out extermination centers?

OK, let's march all these people down to the basement, pack them shoulder to shoulder in a single dead-end room, gas them en masse using a delousing pesticide, have the orderlies force their way into the room against the press of thousands of bodies, drag them one by one to a dumbwaiter, move them upstairs a few at a time, then load them into a handful of single-person cremation ovens, wait half an hour or so for each body to be reduced to ashes, rinse and repeat. And we'll keep doing that 24/7 until all the Jews are gone. Oh, and while we're doing that, we'll dig up the thousands of bodies in that mass grave nearby and put them through the ovens at the same time.

Come on: a first-year Engineering student could come up with something better than that.

Look, I'm not denying that Jews suffered terribly under the Third Reich, or that countless numbers of innocent Jews died in horrible circumstances. The basic idea of the Final Solution is completely plausible to me. But much of the signature imagery of the Shoah just doesn't seem to hold up.

Blogger Ben Cohen May 20, 2016 2:01 PM  

That's awesome. So we know that the other 20% are the genes responsible for the good qualities you outlined before.
Can I move to Italy and claim citizenship based on DNA?

Anonymous RamBam Thank You Ma'am May 20, 2016 2:03 PM  

Somebody has to rebut this constant shibboleth being repeated here...

Our Lord, Savior and Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, was NOT a "Jew."

Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew.

During His lifetime, no persons were described as "Jews" anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew". The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers". - Benjamin H. Freedman, Jewish Historian - Researcher - Scholar.
From "Common Sense", p. 2-1-53 and 5-1-59


Anonymous Laz May 20, 2016 2:11 PM  

@149. Murray

"@130: Amphetamines don't make corpses burn any faster."

Maybe not, but amphetamines gives the literal ability of 1 man to do 10 men's worth of work. Get a guy hopped up on that sh*t and he can carry 60LB corpses up the stairs all day and night.

Anonymous RamBam Thank You Ma'am May 20, 2016 2:12 PM  

Somebody has to rebut this constant shibboleth being repeated here...

Our Lord, Savior and Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, was NOT a "Jew."

Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew.

During His lifetime, no persons were described as "Jews" anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew". The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers". - Benjamin H. Freedman, Jewish Historian - Researcher - Scholar. From "Common Sense", p. 2-1-53 and 5-1-59

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 2:17 PM  

Is it only me, or has anyone else noticed that when you run into a Christian preacher or pastor who has really turned his back on God, on Christ, on revealed Truth and God's moral standards, there's always two things you can say about them:
He's involved in an illicit sexual relationship or "lifestyle".
He's a philo-Semite, of the type that would say "If I weren't X, I'd be a Jew"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 2:19 PM  

Which makes me wonder what Dr Moore has going on the side.

Anonymous mature craig May 20, 2016 2:31 PM  

Re 1223. That's a new one to me. I trust Vox though I can see some similarities but I see distinct differences too 80 percent seems too high to me but what do I know

Anonymous quamuri May 20, 2016 2:33 PM  

VD wrote:They're not even "the Tribe". They're at least 80 percent Italian. Possibly as little as 7 percent Semitic.

DNA is a bitch.


How confident of that are you, Vox? I would gladly defer to your judgment, but all the PCAs I've seen show Ashkenazi Jews midway between Europeans and Middle Easterners. For example, this PCA from Lazardis &al, Nature 2014 shows Ashkenazi jews roughly halfway between Tuscans/Lombards and Lebanese: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v513/n7518/images/nature13673-f2.jpg

They are found in the region of the graph adjacent to the Sicilians and the Maltese, but these groups are admixed themselves.

Similar result on this PCA (sorry, not sure which article it's from): http://pichoster.net/images/2014/02/13/Eurasia%20PCA.png

Are you looking at these same results and summarizing them as "80% semitic", or are you thinking of some different methodology?

Anonymous quamuri May 20, 2016 2:34 PM  

(sorry, s.b. 'summarizing them as "80% Italian"')

Blogger Ingot9455 May 20, 2016 2:35 PM  

If you are interested in looking, Murray, there is apparently a report put out by a converted skeptic on the topic you're looking for:

"Jean-Claude Pressac, a one-time skeptic of the gas chambers, had undertaken a careful study of Auschwitz in which he analyzed a wide variety of camp documents, photos, reports and blueprints. Pressac, who had at one time been intrigued by the Holocaust-denying theories of Robert Faurisson, concluded that his original skepticism could no longer be supported in the face of the evidence. In 1989, the Klarsfeld Foundation published his study, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, in which Pressac demonstrates the use of the gas chambers of Auschwitz-Birkenau in the murders of hundreds of thousands of people.

Incidentally, Jews were not the first people gassed by the Nazis. The first victims of Nazi gassings were German mental patients condemned by Hitler's "Euthanasia" order of 1939."

Another thing that confuses a lot of people with the numbers is that the Zyklon B gas chambers were only used at Auschwitz and Majdanek. Carbon monoxide exhaust was used at other camps, and when you start dividing up deaths by number of camps it looks more reasonable.

Anonymous BernatdWitz May 20, 2016 2:45 PM  

"Please enlighten us about the 'idiocy and wrongheadedness of the idea'."

Ok. That didn't happen.

Anonymous Ahmad ibn Fadhlan May 20, 2016 2:59 PM  

@64 "Southern Friend Cruz Voter"... Looks like at least 1 Leftist has learned to troll properly. Can't believe some of you guys swallowed that b.s. line. Never mind the obvious failure of knowledge and logic, did the name not tip some of you off? Geez...

Anonymous rubberducky May 20, 2016 3:13 PM  

The biggest battle in antisemitism right now seems to be the running feud that David Horowitz and Bill Kristol have launched. And it's been awesome in the peanut gallery rooting for Horowitz in this Jew-on-Jew take down.

Blogger LES May 20, 2016 3:17 PM  

Origin of six million

Jewish prophecies in the Torah require that 6 million Jews must “vanish” before the state of Israel can be formed. “You shall return minus 6 million.”

Six million Jews killed in WW 1

Didn’t Hitler see a conspiracy with Bolshevism and the Jews? Hitler was fighting Communism, after all.

Anonymous Rona May 20, 2016 3:22 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:Many of the ideas and opinions expressed in this thread by culture thugs who pine for another Jewish cleansing is the primary reason millions of young and old people understand teaching and recalling the cult of evil that created the Holocaust is necessary.

"another Jewish cleansing" is it? How slipperly of you. No one here advocated mass murder. What we want is the same thing Israelis want. Peaceful deportation of a troublesome foreign ethnic and religious population into their own territory to live as they wish.

I also find it interesting how in that teaching one never needs to examine the behaviour of Jews that might have led to their predicament. Seems like something useful to know, like a list of what not to do to one's host nation.

I seems no matter how clever a group is, it can have certain personality deficiencies that make it hard to understand things that could prove crucial to it's survival.

Rona

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 3:34 PM  

BernatdWitz wrote:"Please enlighten us about the 'idiocy and wrongheadedness of the idea'."

Ok. That didn't happen.

On what basis do you make that statement?
That Jews have been faithful to God?
That it's never happened before?
That God, despite his explicit and repeated warnings, will put up with Jewish BS indefinitely and never punish the Jews?
That acknowledging some responsibility would mean that you'd have to turn back toward God and give up a lot of attitudes and practices you don't want to give up?

Anonymous Ahmad ibn Fadhlan May 20, 2016 3:34 PM  

I get what Vox is trying to do: remove the cuck's shield. And point out that non-white ethnics don't care. Which, notice, goes right over Jonah's head. Too threatening to think about. Unrelentingly punching at that spot might make real progress.

I think minimizing the Holocaust is very much against the alt-right's interests, given the reality that the Left would happily put them on cattle cars and murder them.

Think ahead. The Holocaust was wholesale murder enabled by advanced, efficient industrialization. The Left + the Surveillance State is the next step up from that. It puts the targeting process on steroids, and removes the need for easy markers like ethnic groups.

I'd find a psyops tactic that maximizes frictions against this outcome, while broadening general awareness of government murderousness. You can't understand the 20th century - and probably not the 21st either - without some background in the Holodomor (theft as genocide, logical endpoint of Left's standard M.O.), the Holocaust (high-industrial genocide), and the Khmer Rouge (genocide by sheer, unrelenting, crazed Leftist religion).

--
As an aside, the implications of the Surveillance State are why I'm not at all sure that building the alt-Right's own Facebook is a good idea. Far better to relentlessly stigmatize and lower the status of the original, minimizing usage while leaving them in a dominant position. Encourage them to shift toward a conventional broadcast media model, which they're already doing from a combination of $$ and necessity (personal sharing consistently dropping).

Anonymous BernardWitz May 20, 2016 3:39 PM  

"Ok. That didn't happen.
On what basis do you make that statement?"

On the basis that there is not a shred of evidence that Jews en mass turned their backs on God

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 3:44 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:On the basis that there is not a shred of evidence that Jews en mass turned their backs on God
"Reform Judaism"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 3:45 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:On the basis that there is not a shred of evidence that Jews en mass turned their backs on God
"Bolshevism"

Anonymous BernardWitz May 20, 2016 3:45 PM  

"No one here advocated mass murder. What we want is the same thing Israelis want. Peaceful deportation of a troublesome foreign ethnic and religious population into their own territory to live as they wish."

There is nothing about the Jews living in Europe or the U.S. that is any more Troublesome than the people you imagine want to do the deporting.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 3:45 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:On the basis that there is not a shred of evidence that Jews en mass turned their backs on God
"Assimilationsism"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 3:46 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:On the basis that there is not a shred of evidence that Jews en mass turned their backs on God
"Zionism"

Blogger Teri May 20, 2016 3:49 PM  

My husband has Armenian friends. One of the guys is somewhat successful. His daughters are married to men from Armenia and have decent sized families. Last time we visited, he and his friend talked about the Armenian genocide. They remember it and they sing songs about it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 3:56 PM  

Teri wrote:Last time we visited, he and his friend talked about the Armenian genocide. They remember it and they sing songs about it.
Of course Armenians care about it.
My sister still hates the English, after we've been in this country for more than 220 years. The Irish still sing "The Wind That Shakes the Corn about the failed 1793 uprising. Doesn't mean anyone else cares.

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 3:58 PM  

@165 BernardWitz

"On the basis that there is not a shred of evidence that Jews en mass turned their backs on God"

Are you a Reform Jew, by any chance?

Oh, and you couldn't be more wrong. Not a shred of evidence? Please tell me you're trolling?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 4:02 PM  

"There is no evidence that I committed that crime" is what guilty people say.
It commonly drops from Hillary's lips.

Anonymous BernardWitz May 20, 2016 4:14 PM  

""There is no evidence that I committed that crime" is what guilty people say.
It commonly drops from Hillary's lips."

It's also a phrase used to indicate the accuser is talking out their ass and cares nothing for truth. Your unjustified Jew hating is showing now. The "Rabbi's" too

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 4:20 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:It's also a phrase used to indicate the accuser is talking out their ass and cares nothing for truth. Your unjustified Jew hating is showing now. The "Rabbi's" too
I won't bother defending Rabbi B, he's more than capable.
An innocent person says "No, I/we never did that"
A guilty person is more concerned with being found out, so he says "There's no evidence I did that." Fundamentally different states of mind.

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 4:20 PM  

@175 BernardWitz

"The "Rabbi's" too"

Do tell . . .

Oh, and are you a Reform Jew?

Blogger kennymac May 20, 2016 4:21 PM  

Hey Bernie, what part of "we don't f-ing care" do you not understand?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 4:21 PM  

BTW, around here, I count as a philo-Semite.
Refusing to condone typical Jewish self-justifying bullshit is not "Jew hating"

Anonymous BernardWitz May 20, 2016 4:32 PM  

"Hey Bernie, what part of "we don't f-ing care" do you not understand?"

Of course you do. You care greatly about justifying your evil.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 4:37 PM  

BernardWitz wrote:Of course you do. You care greatly about justifying your evil.
Gamma as fuck, aren't you?

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 4:37 PM  

@180 BernardWitz

If you're a secular, Reform, or conservative Jew, you may not be familiar with the reference, but I'll throw it out there anyway:

In your estimation, is Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch (1808-1888) a Jew-hater as well?

The reason I ask is that he foresaw and predicted a calamity of epic proportions coming to the Jews of Europe as a direct result of the ascendancy of Reform Judaism and rampant assimilation. He was clearly vindicated in the 20th century.

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 4:39 PM  

@BernardWitz

Oh, and you don't get to call me a Jew-hater without justifying your "statement". What, in any of my comments, suggests to you that this is so?

Blogger Sevron May 20, 2016 4:42 PM  

Simple Rabbi, he FELT like you must hate Jews, so of course you must. There's no need to bring reason into this.

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 4:45 PM  

@184 Sevron

I know. But I always like to give the benefit of the doubt and at least begin there. Typical butt-hurt. Similar reaction in the OP from Jonah Goldberg.

The irony, of course, is that it is the BernardWitz's of this world are the one perpetuating Jew-hatred at the end of the day.

Blogger kennymac May 20, 2016 4:47 PM  

i think you mean "Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil!!!!!"

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 4:49 PM  

@186 kennymac

Like the fru-its of the deeeeeeeeeeeeevvvviilll!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 20, 2016 4:59 PM  

The essential questions of 19th century European Judaism were "How much of this Judaic stuff can we get rid of, and how much will it take to get Hans to accept us?"

Blogger Gordon May 20, 2016 5:01 PM  

@142 Mr Naron: Do you have any good reading on the topic of the Congo and Leopold? A lot of the stuff I'm finding seems to be done by or for the socialists, and I'd rather not hear their version.

Anonymous BernardWitz May 20, 2016 5:10 PM  

"Oh, and you don't get to call me a Jew-hater without justifying your "statement". What, in any of my comments, suggests to you that this is so?"

When you decide to attack the bevy of jew haters instead of the Jew defenders then maybe you won't be called a Jew haters, you Jew Hater.

Blogger Sevron May 20, 2016 5:16 PM  

You see? Feels trump reals, even when it was predicted and he had time to at least try to make up some pseudo-dialectic bullshit. Bravo, Bernie.

Anonymous BernardWitz May 20, 2016 5:18 PM  

Jew haters are always stung by truth.

Anonymous BGKB May 20, 2016 5:22 PM  

When you decide to attack the bevy of jew haters instead of the Jew defenders then maybe you won't be called a Jew haters, you Jew Hater

Maybe he just hates my godless cocksucking bacon eating jewish ex boyfriends. I don't blame him. Hey which is the holiday jews celebrate killing off the jews that assimilated to greek culture?

Blogger Krul May 20, 2016 5:25 PM  

O NOES!

Blogger Rabbi B May 20, 2016 5:26 PM  

@192 BernardWitz

Jew haters are always stung by truth

No, only committed liars like yourself are stung by the truth.

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2016 5:29 PM  

Jew haters are always stung by truth

didn't read lol

Blogger vtah May 20, 2016 6:10 PM  

i don't know a ton about jewish history and in my ignorance and curiosity, I've asked questions about israel to then find myself barraged with attacks as an anti-semite, a troll, etc. by "conservatives" over at theconservativetreehouse before being blocked. i felt sick to my stomach and i will not go back there.

you can't even talk about american interests being first over israel's in terms of our foreign policy in the middle east without being viciously attacked as "scum, idiot, brain dead" etc. something is very wrong with that.

no wonder why people have reacted by cracking jokes.

Blogger Mr. Naron May 20, 2016 6:23 PM  

Gordon,

Adam Hochschild's King Leopold's Ghost, while not written by or for the right, does begrudgingly shine a critical light on the Progressive left's conceits and how Leopold exploited them.

Here's my review of it:
I finished this book months ago, but I just found my notes on it while I was writing a World War II quiz. I'll make it short.

King Leopold's Ghost is a non-fiction account of how the King of Belgium managed to gain control over the Congo, create a rubber harvesting empire and murder as many as eight million Africans in the process. I've written about the author, Adam Hochschild, before. I'm not impressed with him, overall, as a historical thinker. His writing is engaging enough, though.

The problem with Hochschild's thinking is that he's stuck in an ideological loop where all bad things are either the fault of bad men or the capitalist system. Socialists and progressives would never do anything wrong. And he always seems surprised when someone who believes in free markets and/or Western civilization also opposes atrocities like those perpetrated on the Congo.

If he paid attention to his own facts, he would conclude that Leopold would have never been able to control the Congo without bleeding heart appeals to European progressives. His was supposed to be a humanitarian project by which an inferior race would be uplifted by the superior one. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of late 19th century eugenics and race theory knows that it wasn't from conservative (known then as classical liberalism) corners that these ideas sprang. It is true, however, that Leopold also appealed to free traders as well. The problem here is that allowing free trade would have been the one thing that would have kept his humanitarian project from becoming a holocaust.

Hochschild grudgingly admits that British imperialsm was much more uplifitng than Leopold's, and one only has to look to the dgree to which the British adhered to classical liberal principles to see why. Hochschild can't.

In fact, the only comparison he can make is to the Soviet gulag. And it's a comparison he makes frequently. Yet, it never seems to dampen his enthusiasm for socialists.

He does have a good point about how colonialism necessarily leads to oppression, but he overreaches in asserting that it always leads to something like Leopold's rubber empire. It obviusly doesn't.

Other instances of his ahistorical thinking include his lament that Civil War monuments abound along with exhibitions recalling Southern slavery. It makes me want to grab him by his lapels (assuming he'd be in a suit at the time I rough him up) and demand he explain to me what exactly happened on those battlefields. It's a common thing among progressives to completely forget that hundreds of thousands of Americans died in the process of freeing the slaves. And, no, we haven't even begun to forget about either slavery or the war that ended it.

He also seems surprised by the fact that Hitler and Stalin left a bigger paper trail than Leopold. It obviously doesn't occur to him that Leopold knew full well that what he was doing was evil in the eyes of a Christian Europe (and America). Hitler and Stalin were progressive "new men" doing what was right in their own eyes. They had less to hide because they had fewer moral limits.

Fianlly, Hochschild is unable to provide balance in dealing with Congolese independence. He continues to perpetuate the myth that Patrice Lumumba was a freedom fighter and altruistic leader. Meanwhile, Lumumbaa was yet another Third World Soviet stooge. Just another wannabe Che or Fidel. But, I guess, because he wasn't a capitalist like Leopold (I wish sarcasm had its own font) Lumumba gets the benefit of the doubt.

Sorry if my definition of short differs from yours, but I could have gone on much longer. And I'd like to say that no desk chairs were harmed in the making of this review, but alas one was completely destroyed.

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