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Tuesday, May 17, 2016

SJWs never learn

This brilliant and totally new idea that has never been thought before by anyone in the science fiction world amused me when it was broached on Rape Rape's blog:
mrjoshuaspeaks
Is it not time for a simple "Bannishment" of the Pet Leech? I realize that nobody wants to open up a "BlackList" situation but why not just say "you are done" to V.D. and his publishing house and obvious cohort saboteurs. If that is to much at least cut out V.D..

As a diverse and open fanbase it is completely justified and to our collective benefit to say you are a problem and we do not acknowledge you. Let him prove his point on the web by spewing hate speech and gibberish, nobody but his little niche of followers would care. It may leave out a small sum of quality works that sadly will not be recognized but that is a small price to pay for the quality we lose with his contributors sweeping the votes.

Simply saying we do not want V.D. and his views and actions as a representation of fandom as a whole sounds "great" does it not? Let him slaver and spew from afar.
Duly noted. I acknowledge SF fandom's refusal to acknowledge me, accept it at face value, and for my part, promise to continue to ignore their opinions, feelings, and perspectives. As for "bannishment" that is a tactic that has clearly worked out very well for Teresa Nielsen Hayden, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, SFWA, and others. I would absolutely welcome another banishment, not because I am a gamma male engaging in the customary public posturing, but because the most recent one resulted in a one-million monthly increase in my average pageviews. I expect a Martin-inspired Worldcon banishment could prove even more productive in this regard than the Scalzi-driven SFWA "expulsion" was.
  1. Nielsen Haydens condemn VD's presence on a Nebula jury 
    • Nebula juries canceled
  2. SF SJWs proclaim VD will never be published by mainstream SF publishing houses
    • Castalia House launched.
    • Multiple bestselling authors join Castalia House.
    • VD writes and publishes four category bestsellers in nine months (with assistance from John Red Eagle, Dr. James Miller, and Dominic Saltarelli.)
  3. SFWA Board votes to expel VD from SFWA
    • John Wright joins Castalia House
    • VD's average monthly pageviews grow from 1.2 million to 2.2 million.
    • VD collects first Hugo nomination
  4. SF fandom votes to No Award "Opera Vita Aeterna" in 2014.
    • Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies take 57 nominations.
    • VD collects second and third Hugo nominations
  5. SF fandom No Awards the Puppies in 2015
    • Rabid Puppies take 69 nominations (5 games DQ'd)
    • VD collects fourth and fifth Hugo nominations
    • Hugo rules changed: EPH and 4 of 6 pass.
    • "Space Raptor Butt Invasion"
Apparently SJWs aren't gifted when it comes to pattern recognition. By all means, open up your hate and let it flow into me. Who could possibly doubt if they redouble their efforts one more time, just this one more time, their exclude-and-disapprove-and-refuse-to-acknowledge tactics will finally succeed!

Meanwhile, Yagathai not only confirms that Larry Correia was correct all along, but justifies the ongoing campaign against Tor Books:
yagathai
I have not read Between Light and Shadow. I do not plan to. I will nevertheless vote against it. Castalia House is the propaganda organ of an odious white supremacist and obscene misogynist, and I will fight to deny it even a breath of legitimacy.

That may not be all Castalia is. It may also publish serious works of scholarship, but that's immaterial -- lay down with puppies and you get fleas. Any work published by CH is tainted.

You can call this a "political reason" if you like. I don't. I see it as a matter of common decency.
He has a right to his opinion, as silly as it may be. As do we. Tor Books is the SJW-converged propaganda organ of an unreconstructed Stalinist, feminist, and dyscivilizationist, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, and while it may publish a few works that are not Pink SF, that is immaterial. Any work published by Tor Books is tainted.

It is a matter of common decency. Boycott Tor Books. Tor delenda est.

And finally, one of the authors of EPH shows his true colors. Remember, Worldcon kept going on and on about how impartial their very professional statisticians were, right up until those statisticians discovered that the Puppies were not the only slates in play and promptly buried the evidence by refusing to disclose the information they'd previously promised to disclose.
jamesonquinn
I'm the person who put together the ideas for EPH in the first place; a co-author of the analysis that prompted this post; and the person who first suggested a strengthened version of EPH (being called "EPH+" on File 770) for 2018. Clearly I'm not unbiased, but I am an expert on voting systems....

(VD is currently crowing about how GRRM is not a real hard science fiction writer like Piers Anthony was or else he would have realized that EPH wasn't a panacea, and about how he will always have another plan and thus can never be foiled. As a voting theorist, I can say to him: I may also be no golden age SF author, but I do know how to shut you, and your innumerable plans, down. And what it looks like is exactly like what you're seeing: an inexorable reduction of your ability to create the chaos you desire, step by carefully-considered consensus step.)
All things are possible, Mr. Quinn. I will certainly welcome adding the scalp of a Harvard statistician to my growing collection. I note there is already one strike against you; I knew, as you did not, that EPH would fail from the start. And I take no small pleasure in being the first to inform you that EPH+ will as well, as you quite clearly do not understand its inevitable consequences.

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120 Comments:

Anonymous James May 17, 2016 5:47 AM  

Mr Quinn looks like a cross between a confused child in the playground of a special education facility and a family lab being led out to behind the barn.

What a perfect face for a modern academic.

Anonymous 5343 May 17, 2016 5:47 AM  

By the time they're finished devising their 100% guaranteed Rabid-proof system, there will be no actual "voting" at all.

Blogger Horn of the Mark May 17, 2016 5:49 AM  

Saw a video recently (by Black Pigeon Speaks, I think) that talked about low-testosterone men having longer faces and higher-T men having wider faces.

Consider this guy a datum in support of that.

Blogger Shimshon May 17, 2016 5:51 AM  

I find it very sad that Bruce Schneier has associated his name with such a dubious project. Is he a closet SJW?

Anonymous Man of the Atom May 17, 2016 5:55 AM  

5343 wrote:By the time they're finished devising their 100% guaranteed Rabid-proof system, there will be no actual "voting" at all.

Calls for juried systems should be coming soon. "And who should be part of this august panel, I ask you, fellow Tor Employees?"

The stature of the Hugo continues to diminish with their every action.

Jameson Quinn: I wonder if this "voting theorist" lends his skills to Latin American despots.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 17, 2016 6:12 AM  

VD is currently crowing about how GRRM is not a real hard science fiction writer like Piers Anthony was

A hard science fiction writer like Piers...

No part of that phrase makes any sense.

Anonymous cygnar May 17, 2016 6:32 AM  

"category bestsellers..."

[chuckles]

Anonymous 5343 May 17, 2016 6:32 AM  

Vox, if they keep "marginalizing" you with this degree of efficiency, you'll be mainstream by the end of the year.

Blogger Ron May 17, 2016 6:33 AM  

@Cataline Sergius

I think he was trying to make a sarcastic dig at Mr. Beale, by implying that Mr. Beale is so ignorant of fucking loving science, that he would think that Mr. Anthony's writings were the pinnacle of hard scifi.

Anonymous trk May 17, 2016 6:35 AM  

The entertainment is rich. Thank you.

Blogger weka May 17, 2016 6:37 AM  

It matters not how the readers vote, but how the trufen count the votes.

But GRRM and his trufen all cheat playing solitaire.

@6 @9. Piers Anthony has never been readable. VD writes reasonably good fiction and edits John Wright. Either sarcasm or a complete lack of standards.

Anonymous 5343 May 17, 2016 6:37 AM  

CH needs to sell "odious white supremacist and obscene misogynist" T-shirts.

Blogger VD May 17, 2016 6:37 AM  

"category bestsellers..."

[chuckles]


They were Politics, Philosophy, Atheism, and Economic Theory. Snicker away.

Anonymous Steve May 17, 2016 6:41 AM  

A hard science fiction writer like Piers...

I thought the HARDEST science fiction BUCKAROO was Chuck Tingle.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker May 17, 2016 6:48 AM  

"but I do know how to shut you, and your innumerable plans, down.

This gentleman just nailed his reputation to the door.

Blogger Joe A. May 17, 2016 6:49 AM  

They will clutch to their collective straw-man of Vox until the day they die.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 17, 2016 6:50 AM  

I realize that nobody wants to open up a "BlackList" situation but why not just say "you are done" to V.D. and his publishing house and obvious cohort saboteurs. If that is to much at least cut out V.D..

I know it is a sin to pray for the martyr's crown but I am hoping...really hoping they black list us.

Honestly that is more than I could have hoped for.

Anonymous Steve May 17, 2016 6:51 AM  

And what it looks like is exactly like what you're seeing: an inexorable reduction of your ability to create the chaos you desire, step by carefully-considered consensus step.

You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.

OpenID basementhomebrewer May 17, 2016 7:05 AM  

This will end with them adopting the Nebula awards voting rules. Then combining the Nebula and Hugos into one award. Finally they will give out honorary SFWA memberships to non-writers who have an approved voting track record.

They will have certainly have shown us how fair, impartial and rational they are at that point.

Blogger Dexter May 17, 2016 7:08 AM  

By the time they're finished devising their 100% guaranteed Rabid-proof system, there will be no actual "voting" at all.

Communists don't believe in free elections.

Blogger Dexter May 17, 2016 7:10 AM  

VD is currently crowing about how GRRM is not a real hard science fiction writer like Piers Anthony was

Piers and GRRM both really like rape.

Blogger Sherwood family May 17, 2016 7:14 AM  

Geez...this is the textbook definition of insanity: keep doing the same thing while expecting another outcome.

I have been vastly entertained by the "effectiveness" of VD's banishment thus far.

The SJWs in SFWA and elsewhere keep waiting for him to realize he has been ostracized and to curl up into a ball and beg for mercy like they would were they in his position. That he not only hasn't done that but has gone on to slap them around is not only painful for them but confusing.

I am entertained and expect to keep being entertained. Though I suppose watching VD beat on them is a bit like watching a kid kicking kittens and baby chicks.

Still, when the kittens and baby chicks in question have rabies and bird flu respectively and keep trying to bite it makes sense to keep kicking them in the head until they wise up or die.

Blogger Durandel Almiras May 17, 2016 7:31 AM  

If EPH and 4of6 passes, and it will, they just end up validating VD and the puppies claims. Those in the industry who are on the fence will have more evidence of the convergence and will want to join VD's side. They are hoping that their claims of white nationalism and racism will be enough to keep the fence sitters in line, not seeing that their own odious moves will lead many to investigate VD for themselves.

The blacklist would only help us further. Oh Dark Lord, may it be so, for your puppies desire new bones to munch on.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 17, 2016 7:31 AM  

They also lack Patton recognition.

Heck, they lack Peyton recognition.

Also: Pac-Man recognition.

Anonymous Steveo May 17, 2016 7:33 AM  

Holy crap. We're in trouble now, he's brought out the step by consensus step battle plan that has allowed great military leaders to succeed against all odds in the past.

Blogger Nate May 17, 2016 7:41 AM  

Ya know VD... I would've thrown Pournelle working with CH on that list somewhere.

Blogger Happy Housewife May 17, 2016 7:42 AM  

"As a diverse and open fanbase it is completely justified and to our collective benefit to say you are a problem and we do not acknowledge you."

Lol

Blogger Nate May 17, 2016 7:42 AM  

"You can call this a "political reason" if you like. I don't. I see it as a matter of common decency."

That is the core of the SJW is it not? To disagree with them is indecent.

Blogger VD May 17, 2016 7:43 AM  

Ya know VD... I would've thrown Pournelle working with CH on that list somewhere.

That had nothing to do with SJW actions. Everything else was at least tangentially related.

Blogger FALPhil May 17, 2016 7:51 AM  

Scrolling through the comments, I keep seeing references to "fairness". Yet, they have not defined what fairness really is. By default, I can only assume that fairness means only those works submitted by people with the "correct" politics.

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 17, 2016 7:52 AM  

The SJWs in SFWA and elsewhere keep waiting for him to realize he has been ostracized and to curl up into a ball and beg for mercy like they would were they in his position. That he not only hasn't done that...

Not entirely accurate. If memory serves, there has been at least one "Oh PLEEZ don't throw me in dat briar patch!" moment from His Intolerably Evilness.

Perhaps you weren't including overt mockery.

Blogger Student in Blue May 17, 2016 7:53 AM  

And what it looks like is exactly like what you're seeing: an inexorable reduction of your ability to create the chaos you desire, step by carefully-considered consensus step.

And here's the misguided notion that "carefully-considered consensus" is, and will be, superior to anything else. That somehow, having their fellow trufen, their peers that is, review these rules will somehow result in a flawless outcome... well that's certainly been seen somewhere else, hasn't it?

Blogger Shimshon May 17, 2016 7:54 AM  

"And what it looks like is exactly like what you're seeing: an inexorable reduction of your ability to create the chaos you desire, step by carefully-considered consensus step.)"

Translation: [Arm is hacked off.] 'Tis but a flesh wound!

Blogger Verne May 17, 2016 8:09 AM  

They are not the brightest bulbs in the house. It only takes being a casual observer to notice, that their efforts at punishing those like you. Guys who suffer from political wrong think. Those efforts have made them the enemies who are now killing them. And these dimwits see doubling down on that past mistake as the cure. Doing the same thing over and over then expecting the outcome to be diffident. That can work with Russian roulette I suppose. But even then the outcome is guaranteed to change only one out of every six times. It is always the same outcome in the end, if you keep doing it.

Blogger exfarmkid May 17, 2016 8:26 AM  

I swear, it's as though it never occurs to these special people that you will respond when attacked.

You taunt them with an open blog post showing how they make you more money and they still keep coming for more.

Wow.

Blogger VD May 17, 2016 8:32 AM  

I swear, it's as though it never occurs to these special people that you will respond when attacked.

They are very hierarchical. When someone of higher status speaks, the lower-status person is supposed to cower and submit. They simply can't grasp that I'm not, and have never been, part of their group or their social hierarchy. That's what makes their constant attempts to shame and exclude me so funny.

They also like to posture about how they don't care when they actually care quite intensely. They find it difficult to understand someone who genuinely doesn't care about their opinions. I don't know how it would be possible to demonstrate any more clearly that I really, truly, genuinely don't.

It's not that I don't care about anyone's opinions, I just don't care about theirs.

Anonymous Darth Wheatley #2415 May 17, 2016 8:32 AM  

I seem to remember something along the lines of "Strike me down, and I will only grow stronger..."

Longtime Lurker wrote:"but I do know how to shut you, and your innumerable plans, down.

This gentleman just nailed his reputation to the door.


It will be glorious to watch him crash and burn in a blazing nuclear fireball of Cheeto dust.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2016 8:33 AM  

> I'm the person who put together the ideas for EPH in the first place; a co-author of the analysis that prompted this post; and the person who first suggested a strengthened version of EPH (being called "EPH+" on File 770) for 2018. Clearly I'm not unbiased, but I am an expert on voting systems....

Oh, do tell us again how you're oh so much smarter than we are and how your plans will surely work this time, please. It's so entertaining.

I'm reminded of the even villain in one issue of "What the" gloating "My master plan is going exactly according to my master plan."

Or have they finally given up on that and decided that we are in fact all evil geniuses?

> By the time they're finished devising their 100% guaranteed Rabid-proof system, there will be no actual "voting" at all.

Oh, there will be voting. They can't bear to give up the illusion of the Hugos being a popular award selected by fandom. It's just that they'll determine in advance who is and who is not worthy to vote. Now, what gets entertaining is when they try to figure out how they determine that in such a way that we can't influence it. :) Remember that all changes have to be voted on by attending members at WorldCon.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2016 8:36 AM  

Even villain? I'm sure I typed evil. And this is a computer so there's no auto-correct. Oh well.

Blogger Gaiseric May 17, 2016 8:36 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:And here's the misguided notion that "carefully-considered consensus" is, and will be, superior to anything else. That somehow, having their fellow trufen, their peers that is, review these rules will somehow result in a flawless outcome... well that's certainly been seen somewhere else, hasn't it?
That's what they never take into account. The Leftist Nazis in Germany had their purges, their Night of the Long Knives, and their Ernst Rohms. In Russia, they had their Mensheviks, their Trotskys, their Old Bolsheviks and Berias.

I think it'd be amusing to see the trufen "take over" the award completely, ruin it overnight, and then fall into squabbling and purging of each other. However, as the Dark Lord himself has said many times, mere amusement at SJW antics is an insufficient motivation to do something, though—so I'd even rather see them be defeated by people like us rather than simply implode into irrelevance and take their awards with them.

Blogger Gaiseric May 17, 2016 8:39 AM  

VD wrote:It's not that I don't care about anyone's opinions, I just don't care about theirs.
Dark Lords have a much more limited store of empathy that normal people. There simply isn't any to spare for anyone outside of the inner circle. I can dig it.

Blogger Student in Blue May 17, 2016 8:41 AM  

@Gaiseric

I was more taking a dig at the holy, infallible Peer Review, really.

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 17, 2016 8:42 AM  

Their biggest point of pride is how "open and diverse" their community is, yet they talk more than anybody I have ever heard of about driving out the thoughtcriminals. The hilarious thing is that if I were talking to one of them and pointed this out directly, he would absolutely fail to perceive the irony.

Anonymous kfg May 17, 2016 8:45 AM  

@3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kv_VmSizrA

Blogger Harsh May 17, 2016 8:46 AM  

We're coming for you, Quinn...

Blogger Harsh May 17, 2016 8:46 AM  

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Blogger Gaiseric May 17, 2016 8:52 AM  

@42: Well that works as well too.

Blogger Joe Doakes May 17, 2016 8:56 AM  

It really is discouraging that the one option SJWs never advance, never even consider, is "play fair." And when Puppies point out the cheating, then SJWs burn it all down saying "Now look what you made me do," the same excuse used by all wife-beaters to justify their continued dominance.

Play Fair. How hard is that?

Anonymous Elipe May 17, 2016 9:01 AM  

Oh, if only Quinn knew what we were planning... or even what we're capable of.

BTW, Quinn, if you ever do read this, you are aware that you're allying yourself with known pedophiles, right? Just checking to make sure you know which ring you're throwing your hat in.

Anonymous Tom May 17, 2016 9:17 AM  

They don't even know how little they know their enemy or themselves.

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent May 17, 2016 9:25 AM  

Oh, Mr. Quinn, what have you done? LOL.

Blogger Big Chief Heaving Bosoms May 17, 2016 9:46 AM  

Anonymous Conservative, if you're reading, could you do an analysis of Quinn's face?

Blogger The Other Robot May 17, 2016 10:06 AM  

@44: Clearly, you have too much time on your hands if you can find things like that.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes May 17, 2016 10:06 AM  

The reason they fail so spectacularly is that fundamentally they are herd animals which makes them incapable of thinking like a wolf.

Anonymous Philalethes May 17, 2016 10:27 AM  

SF fandom votes to No Award "The Last Witchking" in 2014.

Believe this was "Opera Vita Aeterna" (which was published with two other stories in the ebook The Last Witchking). I remember because I thought "Opera" was an excellent story, orders of magnitude superior to the final winner – thus demonstrating conclusively the rottenness of the whole situation.

(Boy, Captcha is getting really aggressive.)

Blogger BunE22 May 17, 2016 10:27 AM  

Yagathai has a hard on for Vox. He's the one I replied to and had to wait for approval which never came.

yagathai
April 27 2016, 17:45:14 UTC Edited: April 27 2016, 17:49:33 UTC
In general I'm for evaluating each work on its merits, but I categorically refuse to consider anything pubbed by Castalia for a Hugo. VD is a white supremacist and a violent (or at least violence-advocating) misogynist. He's pro-apartheid and anti-women's suffrage. Anything published by his house is tainted by association.


Blogger John Wright May 17, 2016 10:29 AM  

@28

"That is the core of the SJW is it not? To disagree with them is indecent."

Indeed. One of the most cherished dogmas of Leftism is that Leftism is free from dogmas. A paramount article of faith in their creed of creedlesssness is that is that they alone are moved by common sense and common decency, and not by faith.

Anonymous Bz May 17, 2016 10:30 AM  

"We have top men on the voting problem. Top. Men."

Blogger bob k. mando May 17, 2016 10:30 AM  

23. Durandel Almiras May 17, 2016 7:31 AM
they just end up validating VD and the puppies claims.



you ain't seen nuthin yet.

Blogger Noah B May 17, 2016 10:40 AM  

@30

By default, I can only assume that fairness means only those works submitted by people with the "correct" politics.

Gay dinosaur fiction isn't Hugo-worthy when YOU nominate it.

Anonymous TheSmokingMan#3424 May 17, 2016 10:43 AM  

Every day is day zero for these clowns.

Blogger VD May 17, 2016 10:56 AM  

Believe this was "Opera Vita Aeterna"

Erm, yes. Corrected. You'll have to forgive me, I have so many Hugo nominations now I can't keep them all straight.

Blogger JudgeMontrose May 17, 2016 10:59 AM  

I have a chemical need to finish Wright's "Count to Eschaton" series. Any hope that someone other than Tor will get publish it?

Blogger Escoffier May 17, 2016 11:02 AM  

Joe doakes: it is axiomatic that if an SJW could play fair they would not be an SJW.

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 17, 2016 11:05 AM  

I have so many Hugo nominations now I can't keep them all straight.

Somewhere, the warren members are collectively gnashing their teeth and they don't know why.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan May 17, 2016 11:06 AM  

BWAHAHHAHAHA see THIS is why I had a real problem accepting that 3SD from norm REALLY IS a kind of big deal. It is very, very, very hard for me to accept that people as stupid as this jamesonquinn exist. i mean surely to God it's only high-school level math that is required to understand that EPH+ or even EPH++ will fail miserably.

How do these people remember to breathe?
Honestly I cannot WAIT for the sound of massive head poppings in unison when a couple of the other gems you have already set to go off for the Hugos are set off.

And the beauty is they will never realise it until AFTER they stepped on the mines and they have shot up the explosive part right in front of their faces. It will be glorious.

Blogger Austin Ballast May 17, 2016 11:16 AM  

@4
I find it very sad that Bruce Schneier has associated his name with such a dubious project. Is he a closet SJW?

He replied to a question about that with that it was an interesting problem. I have no idea about his SJW status, but I find it very ironic that he is all about openness in areas around information security, yet supports the closed nature of not releasing the nominations last year and other things.

I would guess he is a "useful idiot" in that he is tapped for the problem and has not thought through any of the limitations.

Blogger John Wright May 17, 2016 11:21 AM  

@63
Judge Montrose, email me, and I will send you an reviewer's copy of the next two manuscripts as a courtesy. My email is on the blog (http://www.scifiwright.com/) at the bottom of the screen.

Anonymous Philalethes May 17, 2016 11:30 AM  

You'll have to forgive me, I have so many Hugo nominations now I can't keep them all straight.

Forgiven. I know that yours is a tough job, but somebody has to do it. My sympathies.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 17, 2016 11:50 AM  

John Wright

You, sir, are a gentleman. I salute you.

Anonymous Anonymous May 17, 2016 11:51 AM  

Rabid Puppies take 69 nominations (5 games DQ'd)

Do we know for sure the games were disqualified? I've been googling around a bit, and haven't been able to find any discussion specifically about that. The closest things I've been able to find were a few threads in various places from last year, where people talked about whether or not they wanted a games category, and all of them had at least a few comments saying the dramatic presentation category should work.

I was assuming that because the dramatic presentation categories just get more votes than anything other than the novels, and there was some overlap between the puppy votes and everyone else there, the games just got pushed off the list naturally. (Which sucks, because, at the very least, The Witcher 3 was better from a narrative standpoint than any of the movies on the list, but that didn't bother me much, because in a popularity contest like the Hugos, sometimes the actual best work just doesn't get picked. That's just how it goes.)

If the games were actually officially disqualified, on the other hand, that would make me a bit less sad and a bit more rabid...

Blogger Nate May 17, 2016 12:03 PM  

why does it never occur to them to simply say... "Hey Rabid Puppies... what will it take to settle this?"

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2016 12:15 PM  

> i mean surely to God it's only high-school level math that is required to understand that EPH+ or even EPH++ will fail miserably.

But, but, we have his word that he's "am an expert on voting systems". How can we ever hope to defeat such a massive intellect? :)

The fact that he's one of the authors of EPH tells you all you need to know.

> You, sir, are a gentleman

Not just a gentleman, but a gentleman of Virginia. Even we lowly barbarians from the unredeemed western reaches look up to such.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan May 17, 2016 12:16 PM  

Nate @71
maybe because they know the answer will be:
"Your entrails on a stick, cooked on an open fire"

Blogger John Wright May 17, 2016 12:17 PM  

@71
"why does it never occur to them to simply say... "Hey Rabid Puppies... what will it take to settle this?""

Because they know that they cannot stop. They cannot stop slandering and insulting normal SF, because the need to signal their virtuous superiority over works of merit by promoting politically correct works is central to their self esteem, even to their life.

The parasite cannot negotiate with the host. Their whole psychology and philosophy is based on attacking and debasing what they hate and envy: the idea of someone sitting down with a good book of space adventure stories and enjoying himself causes them to choke with apoplectic spasms, unless the book is also promoting 'non-gender binary fluidity' or whatever the antichristian nonsense cause de jour might be.

And they do not negotiate because they know our answer would be "we don't care."

Anonymous Scholar-at-Arms May 17, 2016 12:18 PM  

"Rabid Puppies take 69 nominations (5 games DQ'd)"

I wondered when they all vanished. So we have confirmation that they were DQ'd then?

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2016 12:20 PM  

> why does it never occur to them to simply say... "Hey Rabid Puppies... what will it take to settle this?"

Oh, they did. Last year as I recall (http://grrm.livejournal.com/440444.html). They didn't like our answers.

Blogger John Wright May 17, 2016 12:21 PM  

@72
"Not just a gentleman, but a gentleman of Virginia. Even we lowly barbarians from the unredeemed western reaches look up to such."

Except that I notice Texas told Emperor Obama to take his tyranny and shove it when He decreed that male perverts must share locker rooms with school girls hereafter, whereas we in the commonwealth of Virgian just had our Imperial Governor, Grand Moff McAuliffe, unconstitutionally and illegally decree that all felons should get a vote, and not a single son of Virginia burned down the statehouse, or even tried.

No, this year, the honor goes to our Western brethren. Texas is the sole hope for the Republic.

Blogger John Wright May 17, 2016 12:24 PM  

@70
"You, sir, are a gentleman. I salute you."

Not so. The man writing the note signed himself 'JudgeMontrose'.

When one of my own characters writes me, I must reply immediately. I need to stay on good terms with my characters.

Montrose is no doubt worried whether his story ends happily or not.

Blogger Nate May 17, 2016 12:26 PM  

James... that's not what negotiations look like.

Blogger GracieLou May 17, 2016 12:27 PM  

@51. My sister married a Harvard PhD., a nice person, an intellectually gifted person, yet so DAMN STUPID in so many ways. He "believes" in global warming and all things lefty. He's married crazy women and runs a co-dependent support group which keeps him stuck in a cycle of marrying crazy women because the basic premise denies the existence of evil and the social nature of Man and promotes the truism that "no one can make you miserable without your permission" (Said no one rotting in a Gulag, ever). And frankly, my sister is a shallow gloss person. A narcissistic low-midwit with a big butt. Actual conversation with her this week:

Me: Mom has gallstones.
Midwit: (Slow, condescending enunciation) gallSTONES or gallBLADDER?
Me: (confusion! Disbelief!) She has gallstones IN her gallbladder in the same way one would have kidney stones in a kidney.

And Mr. Harvard PhD scientist lives it every day. Don't get it. Don't get any of it.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2016 12:29 PM  

I should add that's only one of the "compromise" links, and not the one I'm actually remembering, which I haven't been able to find.

Blogger VD May 17, 2016 12:40 PM  

The parasite cannot negotiate with the host.

Exactly. For example, I already told them that I would vacate my Hugo nominations and recuse myself if PNH and John Scalzi were stripped of their Hugos and Hugo nominations and barred from further Hugos.

They weren't interested, apparently. And now I have two more Hugo nominations. Three if you count the one for Castalia House as they initially did, then didn't. (I'm 100 percent fine with Jeffro getting credit for that; he did most of the work anyhow.)

I note that PNH and John Scalzi don't care enough about the Hugos to save them from my future nominations either.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2016 12:44 PM  

> James... that's not what negotiations look like.

You said ask, Nate, not actually negotiate. They're incapable of actual negotiation.

Blogger Jon M May 17, 2016 12:46 PM  

"As a diverse and open fanbase it is completely justified and to our collective benefit to say you are a problem and we do not acknowledge you."

As an open fanbase...we must exclude.

Is it just me? I mean, it's not - you guys see it, too, right?

Sorry, my brain tends to lock up when people say things that are stupid on such a colossal scale.

Blogger RobertT May 17, 2016 12:52 PM  

Tor Books publishes "serious works of scholarship"? Give me a break.

Blogger RobertT May 17, 2016 12:54 PM  

Tor delenda est

Very impressive.

Blogger exfarmkid May 17, 2016 12:56 PM  

Nate: "why does it never occur to them to simply say... "Hey Rabid Puppies... what will it take to settle this?""

Nate, I can't figure out why they keep doing what Vox tells them he wants them to do.

And Vox seems to be making money on the process. (God bless his capitalistic evil overlord soul.)

Maybe there is just no cure for dumb.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 17, 2016 1:08 PM  

Why don't they quit messing around, and give a Hugo to Obama?
He already got a Nobel!

Anonymous Wat Tyler May 17, 2016 1:10 PM  

It's like watching the 1968 Democratic Convention all over again. They're almost down to arguing over how to structure their "superdelegate" voting system, where some voters will be more equal than others and able to determine the outcome before the nominating even opens.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 17, 2016 1:21 PM  

@71 Nate

why does it never occur to them to simply say... "Hey Rabid Puppies... what will it take to settle this?"
---

They are afraid of the real life Mortal Kombat tournaments?

Blogger pdwalker May 17, 2016 1:21 PM  

(a little off topic)
@63 JudgeMontrose,

Do email Mr JW. He does need reviewers to go through his text and find the "spelled correctly, but wrong words"

I do hope the last two books are properly published someday. I used to think I had a wild imagination, but Mr Wright has shown me what imagination really is.

(mildly ontopic)
VD, why don't you stop pulling the wings off of the SJW flies and tell them your game plans so they will at least have a sporting chance.

Oh wait, you did. Nevermind. They must be dumber than I thought possible.

Anonymous Eduardo May 17, 2016 1:30 PM  

So is Vox, Shao Khan? Does he has that awesome hammer, and laughs midcombat?

Just imagine Vox: "Choose your Destiny"

Muhahahahaha

Blogger bob k. mando May 17, 2016 1:33 PM  

82. VD May 17, 2016 12:40 PM
I note that PNH and John Scalzi don't care enough about the Hugos to save them from my future nominations either.



much less your future wins.

i mean, there are a half million people voting True Finn. if 5% of them vote for the Hugo, that's 25,000 people.

there were only <6k valid ballots cast in the record breaking 2015 season.


True Finn are clearly > Trufen

Blogger John Wright May 17, 2016 3:57 PM  

"Do email Mr JW. He does need reviewers to go through his text and find the "spelled correctly, but wrong words""

I cannot tell if this is a joke or not. My spelling is terrible and I make many mistakes.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 17, 2016 4:18 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:Why don't they quit messing around, and give a Hugo to Obama?

He already got a Nobel!


Which work of science fiction would that be for? His 2007 platform, or his 2011?

Blogger the bandit May 17, 2016 4:19 PM  

John Wright wrote:@72

Texas is the sole hope for the Republic.


*tips cowboy hat*

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 17, 2016 4:22 PM  

why does it never occur to them to simply say... "Hey Rabid Puppies... what will it take to settle this?"

John C. Wright called that one accurately.

Last year I tried commenting on a couple of their blogs. "If you want us to leave it's simple. Just vote the ballot we've given you quietly and without any fuss. We'll get bored and wander off."

It only made them scream incoherently because I had even spoken to them. Or else they banned me immediately.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 17, 2016 4:25 PM  

@94 John Wright

Proper spelling and grammar are the hallmarks of the uncreative mind.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 17, 2016 6:04 PM  

John Wright wrote:@71The parasite cannot negotiate with the host.

Damn, you have a talent for one-liners. Ever considered adding poetry to the repertoire?

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 17, 2016 6:06 PM  

Ahazuerus wrote:Were-Puppy wrote:Why don't they quit messing around, and give a Hugo to Obama?

He already got a Nobel!


Which work of science fiction would that be for? His 2007 platform, or his 2011?


Dreams From My Father. Genetic science fiction.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 17, 2016 6:09 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@71 Nate

why does it never occur to them to simply say... "Hey Rabid Puppies... what will it take to settle this?"

---

They are afraid of the real life Mortal Kombat tournaments?


Random associated fact, "Mortal Combat" made the top-ten list for porn searches in Russia.

Anonymous jdgalt May 17, 2016 6:13 PM  

I'll bite: what hard SF did PierXANTHony ever write?

Anonymous Eduardo May 17, 2016 6:26 PM  

Well that is fetish dude! The russians like strong healthy women u_u I mean this is the same people that after taking a sauna goes straight into the snow butt naked

Blogger bob k. mando May 17, 2016 6:38 PM  

103. jdgalt May 17, 2016 6:13 PM
I'll bite: what hard SF did PierXANTHony ever write?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Man_and_Manta

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_%28novels%29

Space Tyrant is more of a Space Opera cycle, iirc.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett May 17, 2016 7:13 PM  

Obviously, you're retarded.

Boycotts are economic. I'd suggest you try your local library, but I hear they had to close because someone stole the book.

Blogger LurkingPuppy May 17, 2016 8:21 PM  

John Wright wrote:"Do email Mr JW. He does need reviewers to go through his text and find the "spelled correctly, but wrong words""

I cannot tell if this is a joke or not. My spelling is terrible and I make many mistakes.


Most of your spelling errors consist of using a homophone of the correct word (e.g. using “there” instead of “their”). The text then contains a correct spelling of the wrong word, so a computer's spell-check feature is useless at detecting those errors.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 17, 2016 10:25 PM  

@95 Ahazuerus
Were-Puppy wrote:
Why don't they quit messing around, and give a Hugo to Obama?

He already got a Nobel!


Which work of science fiction would that be for? His 2007 platform, or his 2011?
---

The Globamal Warming Beer Summit starring Michael and Barry Sotero - short form

Blogger Were-Puppy May 17, 2016 10:27 PM  

@97 Cataline Sergius
It only made them scream incoherently because I had even spoken to them. Or else they banned me immediately.
---

What you did was Safe Space Invasion. It's sort of like this:
https://i.imgflip.com/usyxa.jpg

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 17, 2016 11:09 PM  

Eduardo wrote:Well that is fetish dude! The russians like strong healthy women u_u I mean this is the same people that after taking a sauna goes straight into the snow butt naked

It could just be a kink, but it's a little strange that it's so important.

Blogger pdwalker May 17, 2016 11:49 PM  

@94 John Wright

No joke. Those mistakes are now the easiest to make with the help of autocorrect and spellcheckers and they can be a real bitch to find without a pair of fresh eyes.

@106 LurkingPuppy, as you say.

Anonymous JAG May 18, 2016 12:05 AM  

Speaking of SJW types never learning and always doubling down, I predict that the Target CEO won't keep his job much longer. He's cost the company about 10% of its stock value, but he is not going to budge on encouraging sexual assault in Target restrooms and changing rooms. He will leave no other choice than to fire his ass.

Blogger John Wright May 18, 2016 12:29 AM  

"I'll bite: what hard SF did PierXANTHony ever write?"

His first book, MACROSCOPE was SF that was at least medium hard: the handwavium of FTL gravity-waves and wormhole travel was no less scientific than Psychohistory of Asimov, or the psionics that appear in Heinlein's STARSHIP TROOPERS.

Blogger rho May 18, 2016 2:21 AM  

Apparently SJWs aren't gifted when it comes to pattern recognition. By all means, open up your hate and let it flow into me. Who could possibly doubt if they redouble their efforts one more time, just this one more time, their exclude-and-disapprove-and-refuse-to-acknowledge tactics will finally succeed!

Let's not get too carried away, VD is only gaming a few hundred ballots of a few thousand ballots.

The real scandal is nobody gives a shit about the Hugos now that we know everything about the scale of the Hugos.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 18, 2016 2:24 AM  

JAG wrote:Speaking of SJW types never learning and always doubling down, I predict that the Target CEO won't keep his job much longer. He's cost the company about 10% of its stock value, but he is not going to budge on encouraging sexual assault in Target restrooms and changing rooms. He will leave no other choice than to fire his ass.

They will be wasting their time if they only can that guy. They need to dump the entire board of directors and the entire HR department. Promote the janitors to that position, probably do better.

Blogger James Dixon May 18, 2016 11:40 AM  

> Promote the janitors to that position, probably do better.

Outsource the positions to India.

Blogger John Wright May 18, 2016 3:01 PM  

@63
Sir, I was not kidding. I'll send you a courtesy copy of the MS for your review. Email me at john-c-wright (at sign) sff.net

OpenID frankluke May 18, 2016 3:35 PM  

@111 He will leave no other choice than to fire his ass.

If he apologizes, it'll all go away.

@112 His first book, MACROSCOPE was SF that was at least medium hard:

His MACROSCOPE (1969) and CTHON (1967) were both Hugo nominees, back when that gave a much higher probability of recognizing good scifi.

Blogger Student in Blue May 19, 2016 3:22 PM  

You can't tell "Tor delenda est" without "Toads Relented".

Blogger JudgeMontrose May 19, 2016 4:12 PM  

@116

Sir, that is very generous. Thank you! I have emailed you accordingly.

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