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Sunday, May 01, 2016

SJWs strike back

In their own hapless and inimitably gamma way. First, Pedophil Sandifer makes a hash of the time-tested "I know you are but what am I" tactic and engages in the usual SJW projection in libeling the Hugo-nominated GamerGate artist Kukuruyo:
Vox Day Put A Child Pornographer On The Hugo Ballot 

For obvious reasons, I will not be providing links here, however I am happy to provide them privately to anyone with a legitimate interest in the information, including law enforcement.

It was brought to my attention today that "kukuruyo," one of the artists that Vox Day put on the Rabid Puppies slate in Best Fan Artist and that made it onto the Hugo Ballot recently posted to his blog a commissioned drawing of comic book character Ms. Marvel in which her genitalia is clearly visible and provocatively displayed. Ms. Marvel - whose comic won last year's Hugo for Best Graphic Story - is a sixteen-year-old girl in the comics. Under US law, this would seem to legally be child pornography.

Although the drawing post-dates Day's placement of the artist on his slate, the hypocrisy of Vox Day endorsing the work of a child pornographer is particularly glaring given that he continues to throw childish insults like this around:

    #SJW logic: Pedophil Sandifer complains that #RabidPuppies are "bullying fucks" while declaring that they are outnumbered "3,800 to 200".
    — Supreme Dark Lord (@voxday) April 30, 2016

and has been vocal in accusing sci-fi fandom of harboring pedophiles, including slating two works with arguments to this effect in Best Related Work. 
He then proceeded to double down and do it again. A few relevant points that collectively demonstrate the utter absurdity of Pedophil's libel:
  1. Kukuruyo has stated that he didn't know the fictitious age of the Marvel cartoon character, Ms Marvel, and drew her as a 20-year-old.
  2. I am reliably informed that Ms Marvel was 16 when she was introduced in 2013. That makes her at least 18 now, possibly 19. 
  3. The age of consent in Spain is 16. Kukuruyo is Spanish, lives in Spain, and US law is not relevant to his activities.
  4. The drawing cannot be child pornography regardless of what age the fictitious character is supposed to be. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that drawings and computer representations are not child pornography.
  5. Phil Sandifer has admitted that he was aware of the Supreme Court ruling when he made the accusation.
  6. The Ms Marvel drawing was drawn and posted well after I recommended Kukuruyo, who draws GamerGate Life, for the Hugo Award.
  7. SJWs always project. This is more than a little alarming in this particular case.
The most reprehensible aspect of Sandifer's attack on GamerGate's favorite artist is the way he is observably attempting to cast doubt on the undeniable fact that the science fiction fandom community has harbored pedophiles in the recent past, and the very reasonable suspicion that it is continuing to do so now.
In tangentially related news, while Camestros Felapton has gotten himself banned elsewhere in the Puppyverse, he'd always behaved himself here and never done worse than embarrass himself by demonstrating his inability to understand the core difference between rhetoric and dialectic, and between enthymemes and logical syllogisms. However, he's been blatantly lying about both me and Castalia House at File 770, so he's now permanently banned from commenting here as well.
I’ve been a fan of Gene Wolfe for a long time. I love the idea of the work you are doing and from what I have seen the scale of work and scholarship you have put into is impressive. However, I can’t vote for your work when your publisher is promoting it by attempting to exploit issues like child-sexual abuse. There isn’t some neat way of separating ‘Castalia House’ from the actions and strategies of Theodore Beale/Vox Day and there is a qualitative difference between authors who have been unwillingly nominated by the Rabid slate and authors who have willingly chosen to work with Castalia House. I understand that for you it was a matter of getting your work published and promoted and I understand why any author would want that for their work – but in the case of Castalia “promoted” necessarily includes stunts like slating the Hugo awards and attempts to trash whole categories, and it includes slurs and defamation of *other authors* people who, like you, have poured sweat & scholarship and long days/nights into their work. However, I also get that Vox Day perceives criticism as betrayal and that he has a tendency to ‘punish’ what he perceives as betrayal. So I am certainly not asking you denounce Day or withdraw from the awards or any other kind of symbolic action, but I am saying I can’t vote for your work and I can’t see it as a legitimate nomination because there is no way of seperating what is published by Castalia from how Castalia promotes itself and its published works.
 To set the record straight:
  1. Castalia is not promoting our various works by exploiting issues like child sexual abuse. Being a father as well as the acquaintance of several adults who were abused as children, I take the matter very seriously and I am committed to identifying and exposing every abuser in the science fiction community, no matter how celebrated or protected they are. I do not view the Hugo Awards as a promotion, promoting Castalia's books is not a primary, secondary, or even tertiary objective of the Rabid Puppies campaigns, and the only book we will be promoting on the subject is the one we are publishing by Moira Greyland about her experience growing up in the science fiction community.
  2. I have not defamed any other authors, as the lawyers for John Scalzi, Samuel Delaney, and N.K. Jemisin, among others, will have informed them if they ever bothered to look into the matter. To the contrary, in the opinion of no less than three UK barristers, two of whom are experts on the subject and have won libel cases I have been legitimately and repeatedly libeled by a number of individuals in the media and the science fiction community.
  3. I do not perceive criticism as betrayal, as pretty much every reader of this blog can testify, having criticized me at one time or another. I have no problem with criticism, what I object to is blatant falsehoods. Third Law. SJWs always project.
Felapton does raise one valid point, which is that "there is no way of seperating what is published by Castalia from how Castalia promotes itself and its published works."

However, in doing so, he only underlines Larry Correia's original point about the Hugo Awards, which is that the awards are not given for merit, but rather are awarded on the basis of political approval. If the voters were solely, or even primarily, concerned with literary merit, as the SJWs in science fiction claim, this inability to separate the work from the publisher would not matter in the least.

But, as Felapton admits, since he can't separate the work from the publisher, the merit of the work does not matter and he will not vote for any Castalia-published work on the basis of this genetic fallacy. That is certainly his prerogative, of course, but in explaining his reasoning, he has also proved the Sad Puppies original case about the Hugo Awards, which is that they are awards given out on the basis of political approval, not the pretense of literary merit the science fiction community presently affects.

Third, and more or less unrelated, but not meriting a separate post, Greg Hullender estimates the number of Rabid Puppies:
I’ve run the numbers using the power-law estimator, and from that I calculate that about 270 rabid puppies voted the slate this year, and that they kept fairly good slate discipline. I only get two anomalies:

“Hyperspace Demons,” by Jonathan Moeller should have been a finalist for Best Novelette. If we assume that he quietly declined the nomination, the numbers are a perfect fit.

Similarly, Bryan Thomas Schmidt should have been a finalist for Best Editor, Long Form. If we assume he too declined the nomination, those numbers are also a perfect fit.
That sounds about 60 percent too low to me, although it's higher than Felapton's estimate of 200, but we'll find out in due course. My guess, and it is nothing more than a logical extrapolation from last year's vote, would be around 650, as I thought we'd need at least 750 to run the table this year. In any event, I'll leave Kukuruyo with the last word, because the salt must flow.


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87 Comments:

Blogger weka May 01, 2016 5:24 AM  

Sandifer is going all out... as if this allows people to ignore Moira Greyland.

And if a critical work about an Author is an endorsement of everything they did.

Now, if he gave up Occultism, cat herding, and using kickstarters to write books, he may have some hope of hearing, seeing, and reforming.

At present, that is not the way to bet.

Blogger weka May 01, 2016 5:31 AM  

Does Sandifer not understand that drawing a 20 year old is not child p0rn. It may be obscene (I hate Marvel: it is converged) but not child p0rn.
His provincial views are as relevant as the chief mullah of Tehran.
But... SJWs are always projecting when they point and shriek.

Anonymous Clay May 01, 2016 5:32 AM  

I hate the pussies too, but let's leave the cats out of this, if you please.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy May 01, 2016 5:42 AM  

The Ms Marvel drawing was drawn and posted well after I recommended Kukuruyo, who draws GamerGate Life, for the Hugo Award.

Interesting. So who entrapped— I mean, who commissioned that work?

Anonymous Bz May 01, 2016 6:09 AM  

Seems like an excellent moment to bring up pedophilia in SF. Media, please contact Vox Day for further enquiries.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 01, 2016 6:10 AM  

Phil is trying to clever.

Again.

(*long tired sigh*)

This never ends well.

Anonymous Constantine Willing May 01, 2016 6:16 AM  

Has there ever been a female who once they reached puberty, Phil Sandifer has continued to feel sexual attraction to?

Asking for a friend.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 01, 2016 6:47 AM  

SJWs strike back: Wipe your shoes.

Blogger SteelPalm May 01, 2016 7:12 AM  

I will miss Camestros Felapton's endless, dishonest quibbles about the elements of rhetoric, Vox's responses, and the inevitable parody accounts.

Also, it's nice of Phil Sandifer to write a headline and then subsequently explain why it's an absurd lie underneath.

Blogger Rigel Kent May 01, 2016 7:18 AM  

What made me laugh out loud was how pedophil wrote he was willing to share links with law enforcement. It's such a ridiculous over the top, and of course completely empty, threat.

I find it funny because it's obvious he doesn't have a clue just how foolish such posturing makes him look.

Blogger XXXXXXXXXXXXX May 01, 2016 7:19 AM  

The drawing cannot be child pornography regardless of what age the fictitious character is supposed to be. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that drawings and computer representations are not child pornography.

This is false. Thanks to the precedent of obscene content not being considered constitutionally protected by the first amendment, provisions in the PROTECT Act of 2003 prohibiting drawings of child pornography deemed to be obscene are still in effect. In practice, the provision against drawn child pornography is rarely enforced as the feds would rather spend their time dealing with people in possession of real child pornography, but if they were so inclined they could seize the servers of websites like 4chan and prosecute thousands of its users who regularly upload and download lolicon images.

B.B.

Blogger VD May 01, 2016 7:25 AM  

This is false.

That is not false. The Supreme Court has clearly ruled what I said it ruled.

"The High Court voided two sections of the law, but a third section was not challenged and is still in force. It bans some computer alterations of innocent pictures of children grafting a child's school picture onto a naked body, for example."

That has absolutely no application to a drawing of a fictitious, partially-clad 18-year-old woman.

Anonymous Faceless May 01, 2016 7:34 AM  

He actually admits this is all shit thrown at the wall to see if it will stick, and continues with his posturing?

"Although the drawing post-dates Day's placement of the artist on his slate, the hypocrisy of Vox Day endorsing the work of a child pornographer is particularly glaring"

Yassir Arafat had a better understanding of linear time and cause and effect when he said (recall from memory), "It's true the Jews were here in the past, but the Palestinians were also here in the past.".

The rot they are attempting to distract attention from must go even deeper than people imagine today within trufandom.

Blogger XXXXXXXXXXXXX May 01, 2016 7:43 AM  

"The High Court voided two sections of the law, but a third section was not challenged and is still in force. It bans some computer alterations of innocent pictures of children grafting a child's school picture onto a naked body, for example."

This is in regards to the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996, which which had its computer-generated child pornography section deemed unconstitutional in 2002. The PROTECT Act of 2003 got around this with the obscenity loop-hole.

B.B.

Anonymous Man of the Atom May 01, 2016 7:57 AM  

Wow! So, what do we have here"

1. Pedophil decides to attack a popular GamerGate artist with blatant, easily disprovable lies.
2. Pedophil uses "pedophilia" as his attack, which is the same claim made by multiple authors of 2016 Hugo nominated works.
3. GamerGate regulars are already asking Daddy Warpig "how to respond" to these attacks on Kukuruyo.
4. ???
5. Profit!

And the Torlings and CHORFs who feared GamerGate's menacing touch slept soundly that night.

Side note: Does Camestros Felapton realize he just rationalized the appropriateness of the Tor ban for Vox and Peter Grant? Poor sod.

Anonymous Man of the Atom May 01, 2016 8:01 AM  

Say, it occurs to me:

4. $50 is about the price of the average computer game these days.

Huh. How about that?

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 01, 2016 8:02 AM  

I'm not up on the GG memes here.  Can someone explain the significance of Vivian James with the salt shaker?

Blogger weka May 01, 2016 8:04 AM  

Daddy Warpig lets loose the memes of war.

You know what to do: 1 Spread good info: Ms Marvel is 20 2 Meme bomb Phil's pro-Pedo past 3 Vote for @kukuruyo in the Hugos

Does Phil not realize that Vox is one of the nice and gentle people and the ilk merely provide mild correction? Gamergaters are used to laying waster to planets.

Blogger JACIII May 01, 2016 8:10 AM  

Mr. Rational wrote:I'm not up on the GG memes here.  Can someone explain the significance of Vivian James with the salt shaker?

Salty tears. Salt in the wound. Just so everyone knows who is having fun and who is not.

Anonymous Steve May 01, 2016 8:12 AM  

Phil Sandifer always has a packet of sweets and a cheeky smile.

Blogger YIH May 01, 2016 8:23 AM  

B.B.
You want to attack some websites for ''child pornography''?
Go for it. You'd better get busy. There's tons of it. Idiot.
[Links NSFW, BTW]

Anonymous Man of the Atom May 01, 2016 8:28 AM  

Oh dear.

Pedophil, Camestros Felapton, File 770ers, Torlings, CHORFs, adn SJW enablers, it appears that the call has gone out.

Blogger VD May 01, 2016 8:42 AM  

The PROTECT Act of 2003 got around this with the obscenity loop-hole.

Irrelevant. The Supreme Court ruled what it ruled. As I said. You are still wrong.

Blogger Josh May 01, 2016 9:04 AM  


Prohibits computer-generated child pornography when "(B) such visual depiction is a computer image or computer-generated image that is, or appears virtually indistinguishable from that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct"; (as amended by 1466A for Section 2256(8)(B) of title 18, United States Code).
Prohibits drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the Miller test of being obscene, OR are engaged in sex acts that are deemed to meet the same obscene condition. The law does not explicitly state that images of fictional beings who appear to be under 18 engaged in sexual acts that are not deemed to be obscene are rendered illegal in and of their own condition (illustration of sex of fictional minors).


Based on that wiki summary, the ms marvel drawing fails the legal definition of child pornography.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 01, 2016 9:09 AM  

Based on that wiki summary, the ms marvel drawing fails the legal definition of child pornography.

It also doesn't change the fact that Phil lost his shit and committed libel.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 01, 2016 9:13 AM  

One thing that I did notice about Scalzi's silly-ass, nothing to see here post in the LA Times piece.

(Hugo) winners include luminaries such as Robert Heinlein, Ursula Le Guin, Samuel Delany, J.K. Rowling, George R.R. Martin and Connie Willis.

Hmm who is suddenly missing from the approved list?

Who has been airbrushed out of the photo?

Who has been quietly...oh so quietly, Unpersoned?

Anonymous Dave Gerrold's Cabana Boy May 01, 2016 9:16 AM  

Sodium Levels Rising

Blogger VD May 01, 2016 9:19 AM  

Who has been quietly...oh so quietly, Unpersoned?

Arthur C. Clarke.

Anonymous BB753 May 01, 2016 9:20 AM  

In what world is 16 year old a child? A minor, yes, but a child not.

Anonymous Nathan May 01, 2016 9:21 AM  

Shame to see that Sandifer's love for the First Amendment only lasted long enough to get himself out of jail.

Blogger Josh May 01, 2016 9:24 AM  

Also there are four ms marvels, how many of the four are adults?

Blogger Josh May 01, 2016 9:28 AM  

Holy crap, this might be the greatest example of epic gamma male butthurt in history:

http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/solid-dick/

Anonymous That Would Be Telling May 01, 2016 9:53 AM  

You didn't exactly bury the lede, but this little explosive tidbit should get a number of well deserving people very afraid:

the only book we will be promoting on the subject is the one we are publishing by Moira Greyland about her experience growing up in the science fiction community.

Anonymous Leonidas May 01, 2016 10:02 AM  

@33:

You didn't exactly bury the lede, but this little explosive tidbit should get a number of well deserving people very afraid:

I noticed that, too. As usual, Vox is three steps ahead of them.

Anonymous Man of the Atom May 01, 2016 10:07 AM  

Josh wrote:Holy crap, this might be the greatest example of epic gamma male butthurt in history:

http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/solid-dick/


It's so ... foamy.

Anonymous NateM May 01, 2016 10:12 AM  

About par for the course for a guy who was desysop'd/banned from Wikipedia for being too much of a dickhead.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 01, 2016 10:19 AM  

weka wrote:Now, if he gave up Occultism, cat herding, and using kickstarters to write books, he may have some hope of hearing, seeing, and reforming.
And told the police where the remains are buried...

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 01, 2016 10:25 AM  

@ 28. VD

Who has been quietly...oh so quietly, Unpersoned?

Arthur C. Clarke.


Cataline: But...but I saw Arthur C. Clarke's Rendezvous With Rama, just this morning on my shelf.

Scalzi: What are you talking about Cataline? There has never been an Arthur C. Clarke.

Cataline: Of course there was. He was really famous. Even more famous than you.

Scalzi: Really, my dear Cataline this joke is falling wide of the mark.

Cataline: And...and it was right there!


Scalzi: I'm starting to get worried about these delusions of yours.

Cataline: There! It was right next to the Darkover books...WHERE ARE MY DARKOVER BOOKS!!!

Scalzi: Honestly Cataline, I think it's time you seek professonal help. There has never been an Arthur C. Clarke or a Marion Zimmer Bradley.

Cataline (Grabs Scalzi by the lapels of his jacket and slams him against a wall. Growling voice): I never said her name. So how do you know it? Huh? HOW?

Scalzi (Terrified small piggy eyes frantically racing from side to side. Tiny whispered voice): Please! They're listening to us.


Note: I have read exactly one MZB book, that was enough.

Anonymous Dr. Brooklyn May 01, 2016 10:30 AM  

Although the drawing post-dates Day's placement of the artist on his slate,

That's the end of the sentence. He hadn't drawn the picture when he was put on the slate. Anything else is irrelevant.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab May 01, 2016 11:13 AM  

Occultism, I thought he was an atheist.

Anonymous RCFlyer May 01, 2016 11:38 AM  

This from the group that loves Chip Delany, who wrote "Hogg".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogg_(novel)

Blogger Harsh May 01, 2016 11:41 AM  

Ah Phil, your inevitable death by suicide can't come soon enough...

Blogger doug whiddon May 01, 2016 11:50 AM  

This might be exactly what we need. Get Gamergate stirred up and involved, and get them to vote puppy.

I know about Breen and Bradley, but was Clarke accused of pedo activities?

Blogger Matthew Auto and the Bosoms of Liberty May 01, 2016 12:16 PM  

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-03-24/arthur-c-clarke-not-a-paedophile-sri-lanka/1081914

Blogger Jew613 May 01, 2016 12:33 PM  

Even if Ms. Marvel was 16 in 30 states & Washington D.C. 16 is the age of consent.

Blogger VD May 01, 2016 12:42 PM  

I know about Breen and Bradley, but was Clarke accused of pedo activities?

Clarke was a pedophile, and was in extensive contact with a network of pedophiles in the USA when he was in Sri Lanka, but conclusive and undeniable evidence has not yet been made public.

Blogger Arcane Rhino May 01, 2016 12:47 PM  

"...hypocrisy of Vox Day endorsing the work of a child pornographer..."

Hahahaha, yeah. Because a cartoon of a 20 year old - oh, what the hell, story-line 16 year old - (probably NSFW) Commission-Nude-Ms-marvel is exactly the same thing as raping a three year old (MZB).

And these people wonder why they are losing to the "haters".

Anonymous BGKB May 01, 2016 12:56 PM  

Isn't it child endangerment for 16yo girls for fight galactic ravagers? Maybe if the star destroyer didn't kick her in the vag she wouldn't have had cameltoe. If the next story of WonderWoman has her as a 3yo girl would that make every cameltoe pic of her like Lena Dunham.

Has there ever been a female who once they reached puberty, Phil Sandifer has continued to feel sexual attraction to?

Possibly one with no tits.

What made me laugh out loud was how pedophil wrote he was willing to share links with law enforcement

Maybe he will make the mistake of taking his entire computer to them.

2008-03-24/arthur-c-clarke-not-a-paedophile-sri-lanka

"Sri Lankan authorities say British-born sci-fi writer Arthur C Clarke had been cleared of decade-old paedophilia allegations before his death last week."

Most of the boys he buggered would have died by the time of the investigation. He probably even had the grandsons of some of his early ones. Its always awkward when I meet another well traveled gay, when I have pics of UK,France,Germany, Austria,Swiss, Italy of me with a BF & they have pics of Thailand, Sri Lanka , India, Pattaya, Loas with no BF.

These are the people they would be questioning from just last week. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7107785/Violent-gang-of-ladyboys-mugging-tourists-warn-Thai-police-after-German-man-was-attacked-in-girlie-resort-town.html

Anonymous No Comment May 01, 2016 1:03 PM  

Rigel Kent wrote:What made me laugh out loud was how pedophil wrote he was willing to share links with law enforcement. It's such a ridiculous over the top, and of course completely empty, threat.

I find it funny because it's obvious he doesn't have a clue just how foolish such posturing makes him look.


He sure does seem content to not contact law enforcement right away and let them deal with it. And content to pass out the links and info to others.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2016 1:08 PM  

Reading through the OP.
An idea of the SJW logic being used by Pedifer

a) Call someone a pedo that isn't.
b) Then draw attention to the fact RP are calling out some pedos.
c) since the one pedifer called a pedo actually isn't, then neither are the ones RP are accusing of being pedobears.

Yes, it's crazy and kind of mental noodlism, but maybe this is what passes for cogitatin' in that pedobears noggin.

Anonymous Nathan May 01, 2016 1:08 PM  

@49,

Probably because he's defended pedophiles before.

Anonymous Teenage Jail May 01, 2016 1:09 PM  

@28 Seems like a coincidence. The usual big three is "Heinlein, Asimov and Clarke" and Asimov wasn't mentioned either. Yeah, his kid had a big stash of kiddie porn, but I don't think he had anything to do with that. So I'm thinking they just happened not to mention him.

@38 Is this a parody of something? Feels like it, but I can't think of what it would be.

Blogger Michael Maier May 01, 2016 1:09 PM  

Who wants to see Ms. Marvel's snatch anyway? Probably nothing but scar tissue from the pussy-etomy done by her grandmother with a shard of glass.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2016 1:17 PM  

Ok, this business about Ms. Marvel is ridiculous.

First, if you look at her history, she has not been some kid until the most recent SJW approved incarnation. In which she is also, hold on to yer taters, a muslim.

Yes, the angry pedifer is upset because we have a muslim girl not in a burka.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau May 01, 2016 1:20 PM  

The Muz Ms. Marvel mooning someone is pornographic? He's loony. Though if she really had Super Powers we know she'd be attacking Washington or New Delhi.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2016 1:31 PM  

@34 Leonidas
I noticed that, too. As usual, Vox is three steps ahead of them.
---

There are many little time delayed bombs set to go off, hopefully one after another, until the awards happen :P

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2016 1:34 PM  

@40 Brick Hardslab
Occultism, I thought he was an atheist.
---

I can see Pedophil the occultist drawing a random Tarot card.
Out pops the Dumbass.
He reshuffles, draws another Dumbass.
Reshuffles, and draws another Dumbass.

Then he surmises "Oh, these cards mean that I am going to win against some dumbasses!"

Anonymous Amomymous May 01, 2016 1:34 PM  

And in Asia you repel evil and possibly exorcise demons by throwing salt at them.

Blogger Shilo Leonard May 01, 2016 1:48 PM  

Vox Day Put A Child Pornographer On The Hugo Ballot

(Translation: I'm going to make wild accusations with no basis in fact. I hope people read the headline and have an emotional response that prevents them from noticing the source of this drivel.)

For obvious reasons, I will not be providing links here, however I am happy to provide them privately to anyone with a legitimate interest in the information, including law enforcement.

(I'm going to play "I've got a secret" because otherwise you might notice that I am so full of shit, my eyes are brown. But never let an opportunity to virtue-signal go to waste.)

It was brought to my attention today that "kukuruyo," one of the artists that Vox Day put on the Rabid Puppies slate in Best Fan Artist and that made it onto the Hugo Ballot recently posted to his blog a commissioned (That is: paid for by somebody else, because artists need to eat, too) drawing of comic book character Ms. Marvel (a fictitious character) in which her (equally fictitious) genitalia is clearly visible and provocatively displayed. Ms. Marvel - whose comic won last year's Hugo for Best Graphic Story - is a sixteen-year-old girl in the comics. Under US law, this would seem to legally be child pornography.

(Even though I know it isn't child pornography under US law, I'll just throw in a sneaky qualifier - "this would seem" - and trust that my audience is too stupid to notice.)

Although the drawing post-dates Day's placement of the artist on his slate, (And thus completely undermines my attempted attack on Vox Day's character while revealing my own dishonesty,) the hypocrisy of Vox Day endorsing the work of a child pornographer is particularly glaring (or would be, if he ever decided to do such a silly thing,) given that he continues to throw childish insults like this around:

#SJW logic: Pedophil Sandifer complains that #RabidPuppies are "bullying fucks" while declaring that they are outnumbered "3,800 to 200".
— Supreme Dark Lord (@voxday) April 30, 2016

(How true or accurate this statement might be doesn't matter. You can tell Vox Day is a big meanie just because he said it and I'm not defending myself. Virtue-signalling like a BOSS!)

and has been vocal in accusing sci-fi fandom of harboring pedophiles, (another accusation I will present no counter-arguments for, because I don't have any. But I'm going to act as if it is unjustified anyway, because that's easier than addressing the evidence presented by Vox Day on multiple occasions,) including slating two works with arguments to this effect in Best Related Work.

(So please, PLEASE tell Vox Day to stop picking on me!)

Blogger bob k. mando May 01, 2016 1:57 PM  

48. BGKB May 01, 2016 12:56 PM
Possibly one with no tits.



Pedophil Sandiphreak is a Danica Patrick fan?

yeah, 16 is NOT pedophilia. that's legal fucking in more than half of the States in the Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States

there are federal statutes that make sending / receiving sexually explicit images of REAL PEOPLE under the age of 18 illegal.

but
a drawing is not a picture or video and Ms Marvel is certainly NOT a real person

Pedophil would, of course, know all of these laws.

Blogger SciVo May 01, 2016 2:00 PM  

Called it. I knew, I just knew that if they opened their foul yaps, they wouldn't be able to stop themselves from turning the conversation from child sex abuse to ephebophilia.

I will admit that I guessed wrong by expecting them to defend the latter while ignoring the former, rather than drawing a false equivalence as we see here. But that's even worse! And I was right in that they are not normal and have no idea how they look to normal people.

Blogger The Other Robot May 01, 2016 2:52 PM  

Allysa Wong whines that organized slate voting by the Rabid Puppies heavily impacted the list of finalists and that There is no way in hell I’m withdrawing.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2016 4:31 PM  

OT: Not an SJW, but a Cuckster meltdown that has hilarious visuals:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/04/29/begoggled-beck-attacks-bowl-cheetos-look-like-trump/

Blogger RobertT May 01, 2016 4:39 PM  

Castalia is not promoting our various works by exploiting issues like child sexual abuse. Being a father as well as the acquaintance of several adults who were abused as children, I take the matter very seriously and I am committed to identifying and exposing every abuser in the science fiction community

There are a lot more victims than people realize. I for one have been pleased to note that you don't waste any effort in exposing child molesters in F/SF.

Blogger RobertT May 01, 2016 4:42 PM  

That sounds about 60 percent too low to me

I would guess you're right.

Blogger RobertT May 01, 2016 4:42 PM  

That sounds about 60 percent too low to me

I would guess you're right.

Anonymous BGKB May 01, 2016 5:00 PM  

The Muz Ms. Marvel mooning someone is pornographic? He's loony. Though if she really had Super Powers we know she'd be attacking

She would be the flying garbage bag shooting beams out.I wrote this about the moslem green lantern:
In Brightest Day In Blackest Night
No Unattended 6yo Infidel Girl Shall Escape My Sight
Let Those Who Worship Civilizations Might
Behold My Power Green Jihadi Suicide Vests Light.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2016 6:13 PM  

I freakin' hate that dumb Ms. Muslim in the marvel puzzle quest game.

Blogger SciVo May 01, 2016 6:18 PM  

So did the Muslim Green Lantern molest the kuffar and assault the infidels, or are there a dozen fatwas against him for apostasy? If neither, how do they expect readers to suspend their disbelief?

Either he took all of the nukes from non-Muslims, or he died trying, or he's despised throughout the Umma for failing to use his Allah-given power for its obvious purpose. Those are the only possibilities.

Blogger Akulkis May 01, 2016 6:46 PM  

Cameltoe Fapperon has been banned? Say it ain't so!

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2016 7:19 PM  

@69

I would try to explain that GL story, but it didn't make any sense to me. There were a skittles variety of different color lanterns. And then they killed off the main one (Jordan). Then the ring goes to a muslim, apparently the most worthy person.

Save yourself a brain ache and pretend it never happened :P

Blogger TS May 01, 2016 8:19 PM  

@43 No evidence has been presented that Arthur C Clarke was a pedophile - none. The Sri Lankan police, the Sri Lankan child welfare authorities and Interpol have all looked into this at one level or another and all of them concluded that there was nothing to these allegations. And no one has come forward since he died to say that they were molested by him.

So unless and until some real evidence is presented, these accusations are just crap.

Anonymous LastRedoubt May 01, 2016 8:36 PM  

@TS

You're not tall enough for this ride.

Stop playing stupid motte and bailey games, and playing fast and loose with definitions.

Anonymous LastRedoubt May 01, 2016 8:37 PM  

@Man of the Atom

Holy shit - I hadn't been keeping track, but Daddy Warpig and Gamergate are starting to notice?


I almost feel sorry for them.... they are finally managing to draw the actual attention of gamergate....

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx May 01, 2016 8:43 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@34 Leonidas

I noticed that, too. As usual, Vox is three steps ahead of them.

---

There are many little time delayed bombs set to go off, hopefully one after another, until the awards happen :P


SR.. is merely the wrapping paper, the casing, the wooden unicorn. Worked like chalk for slate. Nice job, LA.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx May 01, 2016 8:45 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:48. BGKB May 01, 2016 12:56 PM

Possibly one with no tits.


Pedophil Sandiphreak



How many ways are there to spell Shakespeare?

Blogger VD May 01, 2016 8:51 PM  

So unless and until some real evidence is presented, these accusations are just crap.

Shut up, TS. You're lying and you know it. You know, because I already showed you, that the Sri Lankan police, by their own statement, said they never investigated Clarke. However, the Sacramento police department and EPCAT both have plenty of evidence that Clarke was a pedophile and was part of a pedophile ring that included a convicted pedophile named Tampico and others.

Blogger doug whiddon May 01, 2016 9:18 PM  

i hope gamergate gets involved.

and votes puppy.

Anonymous Sagramore May 01, 2016 10:17 PM  

@41 Taking money from Boss Hogg to pay Peter Hogg is comparatively less obscene.

Anonymous Sagramore May 01, 2016 10:18 PM  

@78 What makes you think we weren't? DW is ilk.

Blogger doug whiddon May 01, 2016 10:31 PM  

Sagramore - @78 What makes you think we weren't? DW is ilk.

discussions have been had about getting GG involved, by which I mean REALLY stirred up. The Ilk have an estimated strength of around 600 or so. If just DW's 2000 twitter followers could be motivated to vote we could run the table.

Anonymous BGKB May 01, 2016 10:53 PM  

How many ways are there to spell Shakespeare?

If you saw when google did celebrating Shakes spears plays, you would think all of them are about blacks.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2016 1:15 AM  

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Blogger SciVo May 02, 2016 1:31 AM  

Incidentally, the comic above has four interrobangs, which is my favorite punctuation. How awesome is that?!

Blogger sysadmn May 02, 2016 9:03 AM  

And by "trashing entire categories" he means "making great again".

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 02, 2016 6:05 PM  

72. @TS

Dude, Clarke basically admitted it.

To paraphrase the grandmaster; "Puberty is old enough. Younger than that is terrible of course."

You can comfort yourself that he wasn't into toddlers...in any serious way.

He was a gay man living in Sri Lanka without a Boyfriend.

Grow up.

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