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Thursday, May 19, 2016

Spengler abjures neoconnery

Apparently the neocons are about to learn that they were just another short-term vessel for the Israel First, Last, and Always activists; as David Goldberg not only disavows neoconservatism, but also Bill Kristol.
No one in the conservative Commentariat has beaten up on poor Bill Kristol more than I during the past dozen years. I read David Horowitz' excoriation of Kristol as a "renegade Jew" with chagrin; I respect David Horowitz  -- and have spoken at his conferences on several occasions -- and I reviewed admiringly his book A Point in Time.

But his choice of words was churlish. Kristol devotes considerable time to Jewish causes and genuinely identifies as a Jew, although his level of religious observance is low (as is David's). Kristol certainly doesn't think that he has reneged on his Jewish identity. But he is so absorbed in the cultish self-adoration of the neo-conservative clique, and so insecure about the perception of his manifold policy blunders (for example, his naive endorsement of the Arab Spring as near-equivalent to the American Founding), that his judgment of late has been dreadful. His third-party proposal will go nowhere.

Kristol makes the mistake of thinking that he still matters. The neo-conservatives enforced party discipline in the media and foundations they control with the same inquisitorial zeal that the Left applies to the persecution of conservatives at American universities. They crushed dissent ruthlessly, and declared anathema upon anyone who questioned them.

Now the American people have vomited them out. No candidate who took ownership of the Bush Freedom Agenda got past first base in the Republican primaries.
He's right to say that Kristol's sore loser third-party talk will go nowhere. Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson, and Reince Priebus have made it clear that despite their reservations about him, Donald Trump will be the uncontested representative of the Red Faction. However, despite his endorsement of Donald Trump in preference to Hillary Clinton, Goldberg clearly can't be trusted to give a damn about Americans or the American national interest.

In addition to floating a trial balloon about the possibility of the Learned Elders of Wye jumping for what he, and they, have proposed as the safe harbor of China from the future wreckage of the USA, Spengler makes it very clear why he prefers Trump to Clinton.
  1. The Clintons are a criminal enterprise
  2. "Trump is more pro-Israel, and that’s a key issue for me."
You don't say. Goldberg appears to be getting increasingly delusional of late, as his explanation of why that's a key issue for him.

"Israel is not only America’s key ally in a dodgy part of the world, but the cornerstone on which the edifice of the American republic was founded in the first place. In a July 2015 essay for the Jewish media, I asked, “Will Israel Save America?” The destiny of Americans -- the “almost chosen people,” in Lincoln’s words -- is bound up with the destiny of Israel."

Fascinating, is it not? Goldberg would have us believe that the United States was NOT founded as a Christian, Anglo-American nation on the basis of the Rights of Englishmen, but was instead a proposition republic founded on the cornerstone of Israel. Still think this lunatic has ANY interest whatsoever in anything you recognize as your country, or even Western civilization?

It reminds me of an old Greek saying: whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

It isn't only Kristol who has made the mistake of thinking he still matters. It is clear that the Alt Right, with its total lack of interest in granting even a modicum of respectability to Holocaustianity and cuckservatism, is driving Israel Firsters like Kristol and Goldberg and Shapiro around the bend. They simply don't know what to do when pointing-and-shrieking "ANTI-SEMITE" and "Muh Holocaust" and "my granddaddy couldn't join the golf club" is met with a totally indifferent shrug. We don't care. Not even a little bit. The existential crisis of the nation is a considerably more important matter than the dramatic histrionics of a lesser minority.

Now, the United States should maintain friendly relations with Israel; it behooves any country to be on the best terms it can be with a nuclear power. And Israel would be a very useful ally in the great clash of Christian and Islamic civilizations, or it least it will be if it ever stops trying to convince, persuade and manipulate Americans into fighting its wars for it, as it should for both its own sake and America's.

But Israel is not the cornerstone of America and its national priorities are neither primary, secondary, nor even tertiary for Americans.

Nevertheless, Goldberg's dismissive condemnation of neoconservatism and his recognition that it no longer has any hold on Americans is a welcome indication that things have truly changed, and that Fukuyama's insane neo-Marxian vision of the worker's paradise as liberal representative democracy is dead.

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143 Comments:

Anonymous Scintan May 19, 2016 5:43 AM  

Asian observers should try to understand that we Americans can be crazy. We are a nation founded on ideas rather than common language and ethnicity, and when we get the wrong idea, we go right off the rails.

According to Wikipedia (I know, but it's 5:30 am and I'm not going to hunt down other sources right now, since a second source gives similar numbers in a more muddled fasion), By the time of the Revolutionary War, approximately 85 percent of white Americans were of English, Irish, Welsh, or Scottish descent. Approximately 8.8 percent of whites were of German ancestry, and 3.5 percent were of Dutch origin.

That sure seems like a whole lot of common ethnicity and language, to me.

Blogger JACIII May 19, 2016 5:47 AM  

I think you misunderstand him when he says, "~the cornerstone on which the ediface ~ blah blah blah Israel!"

Mr Goldberg, like many other Jews, doesn't believe we ever have, or ever will be able to get by without the advice and leadership of our wiser, and more intelligent betters.

Seriously. Who will lead us if not the Jews?! /s

OpenID simplytimothy May 19, 2016 5:52 AM  

This makes me happy. A hearty salute to NRx, you have defeated the neo-cons.


Anonymous Clay May 19, 2016 5:55 AM  

"Abjures"

That's a good use of the English language.

Blogger SciVo May 19, 2016 5:58 AM  

Hmm. I think I need a new, separate hypothesis for someone like Spengler. He's pragmatic about Trump specifically (despite wanting to punch him in the face), so I say he has TDS-lite. But his attitude toward one man is not as important as his attitude toward the nation.

This specific example makes it clear that they are not the same. Because with his divided loyalties to Mexico (via the mother of his children) and Israel, Spengler is a poster child for the American Jew who can't be trusted to have Americans' best interests in mind -- this despite seeming to endorse nationalism in general.

As long as I'm making it broader, I might as well make it stronger, and then test for exceptions to see if that is a mistake. So.

Hypothesis: An American will have issues with American nationalism and its proponents if and only if he has some form of split identity or divided loyalties, leading to cognitive dissonance.

This is broader in the sense of applying to Americanism in general, not just Trump specifically; and stronger in the sense that the "if and only if" goes in both directions, not only explaining anti-pro-Americanism but also predicting it.

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 6:02 AM  

not only explaining anti-pro-Americanism but also predicting it.

It's not "anti-pro-Americanism", it's just anti-Americanism.

Blogger SciVo May 19, 2016 6:04 AM  

Actually, the removal of "typically" does more to make it more assertive than the iff.

Blogger SciVo May 19, 2016 6:15 AM  

It's not "anti-pro-Americanism", it's just anti-Americanism.

Hmm. A fair point. There's no logical difference, and if it appears to be reactionary then that's because it's otherwise the default.

Blogger Desiderius May 19, 2016 6:18 AM  

Vox,

"It's not "anti-pro-Americanism", it's just anti-Americanism."

There's a distinction to be drawn between his feelings toward America vs., say, Iran. I'd agree that it doesn't rise to the level of loyalty, dual or otherwise. There is no duality in his loyalty, which is toward Israel alone. As is Netanyahu's. Doesn't make him an enemy or anti-American per se - I don't take you to be saying the former, so I'm not sure how the latter follows.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 19, 2016 6:20 AM  

Take note: The analytic thinker, Bill Vallicella, argues that “there is no such thing as cognitive dissonance” because it is an inconsistent pentad. He suggests rather the use of the phrase “doxastic dissonance” for it is beliefs that are dissonant and not cognitions. “Cognitive Dissonance or Doxastic Dissonance” http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2014/06/cognitive-dissonance-or-doxastic-dissonance.html

To "cogitate" is Latin for "to Know" if one knows something, one knows it truthfully and therefore one can't go against knowledge; a truth harmonizes. The word to use is "Doxastic" which is Greek for "opinion". People's opinions naturally contradict even within themselves.

Want to point out that the Puritans were certainly idealistic with their "shining city on a Hill" and sought a Christian theocracy. The FFofA were imbued and enthused with Enlightenment thought.

They rejected hierarchy, class distinctions, and obviously the Old Order of things. Thus not really a continuation of Old England.

Anonymous Clay May 19, 2016 6:37 AM  

Hey, Wheeler. Don't you be making fun of the FFA. I had a good friend who raised a Prized pig.

They're both dead now. Maybe only one was eaten.

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 6:37 AM  

Doesn't make him an enemy or anti-American per se - I don't take you to be saying the former, so I'm not sure how the latter follows.

If he is attempting to guide America's actions in someone else's interests and against the interest of Americans, that is sufficient to make him an enemy of America, and observably a much more insidious enemy than Russia or Iran.

Anonymous Clay May 19, 2016 6:38 AM  

Yeah...I know:)

Anonymous Aachen May 19, 2016 6:41 AM  

I was reading Spengler about 10 years ago, not so much now due to the reasons you mention.

However I will say he was fairly accurate that the Iraq war and its mismanagement by the Neo-cons would likely kick-off the Middle Eastern version of the 30 year war. Looking at the place now I would agree although in Syria it seems that the refugee invasion of Europe is depleting the fighting forces of a number of sides, in particular Assad's army.

I give him respect for putting his opinions out there even if they anger his readership as has happened at atimes and pjmedia.

Blogger Stilicho May 19, 2016 6:43 AM  

Simple answer to any neocon who wants to invade yet another country where America has little or no strategic national interest: Israel first.

Anonymous old man in a villa May 19, 2016 6:43 AM  

The entire reaction reminds me of Asimov's "Nightfall".

Same reaction, over and over throughout history to the same phenomenon, endlessly repeating itself because no one ever seems to make the connection. Next thing you know everyone is running around like a chicken with it's head cut off asking "what happened?".

109 countries since over the course of two millennia? Maybe there's a causation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr9fyxUgkok

Anonymous Rona May 19, 2016 6:46 AM  

VD, excellent post.

Desiderius, it is anti-American since his loyalty to Israel and desire to extract maximum utility from its relationship with US depends very much on Americans not waking up to what has been done to their country and who's done it.

It necessarily involves keeping Americans in the dark as to their interests, misinforming and lying to them, promoting social and intellectual pathology and of course importing alien races to prevent resurgence of nationalism as well as miscegenation to eventually destroy even the possibility of nationhood.

As for Jewish feelings for America vs. Iran, I'll bet that when real Americans rediscover who they really are and for whom their ancestors founded US and drop this >i>proposition nation>/i> nonsense and begin defending their collective interest as a european nation on american continent Jewish hatred will be palpable. They never hate anyone, not even Iranian muslims as much as they hate White Christian men.

Rona


Blogger Orville May 19, 2016 7:05 AM  

Kristol is a minor moon circling the Adelson gas giant. I was most suspicious when Sheldon flipped and went all in on Trump. I hope it is more him getting on the Trump bandwagon than Trump getting on the Jewish gravy train.

Blogger Sherwood family May 19, 2016 7:09 AM  

I read a lot of Spengler during the Arab Spring. His more dire predictions of Egypt's imminent demise did not come to fruition. I was interested because I was living there at the time. As a theorist he's interesting enough. But his utter insistence that Israeli interests are and must be U.S. interests eventually turned me off. It's one reason I rarely go to Hotair.com anymore because of it's relentlessly Israel boosterism.

Look, I think Israel has every right to exist, to protect itself from the neighbors and to define who gets to live there and to define what is in its own interests.

But I think the U.S. has those same rights and that U.S. dollars, influence, military might, etc. should not be used to advance the interests of another nation. Especially not at the cost of our own interests.

Frankly, the United States does not need Israel. At all. I am sure it is a lovely country and has cool historical/religiously important sites. But those same sites existed when it was under Ottoman control until the end of WWI. So it isn't as if Israel's existence has anything to do with the U.S. or its Founding.

Israel had some importance to the U.S. during the Cold War but that's over and old arrangements do not necessarily make sense in new contexts.

In other words: Americans need to spend their time and energy on promoting U.S. interests. Divided loyalties only serve to make everyone worse off.

Blogger FALPhil May 19, 2016 7:10 AM  

@17 Rona
They never hate anyone, not even Iranian muslims as much as they hate White Christian men.

Which I find curious since I have seen more than a few bumper stickers in the parking lots of evangelical churches proclaiming support for Israel. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that evangelicals are the Jews' largest support group in North America.

Anonymous Big Bill May 19, 2016 7:10 AM  

A new Thirty Years War. That's about the sum of it. As of September 2016 we are halfway there.

David Horowitz's FrontPage Mag website instantly switched from his Campus Crusade against PC to neocon warmongering.

His insatiable lust for war and Democracy at gunpoint in the Middle East was so nauseating and grotesquely ahistorical that I left, never to return.

Horowitz was a warrior for the Trotskyite New Left in his youth, and a warrior for millennialist reengineering of the Middle East in his dotage.

He is a fool. He has learned nothing. He has lurched from one Perfectionist Progressivism to another his whole life.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 19, 2016 7:14 AM  

I tend more to the opportunist explanation than deep conspiracy where Jewish influence over global politics is concerned, although I am in no doubt such conspiracies exist; they are by definition secretive and therefore their influence difficult to measure directly.

But for those who like to question whether that influence exists at all, ponder that Vox is reporting on a quarrel between two Jews (who "self-identify" as Jewish even as they claim to be Americans, and explicitly tie that identification to some special relationship with a foreign state), with that family quarrel being commentated by a third Jew of the same condition.

And not only do all three of these prognosticators fully expect their opinions to be taken seriously by American conservatives, but indeed in large part their opinions ARE taken seriously by many Americans calling themselves conservatives, and not a few liberals too.

Blogger Michael Maier May 19, 2016 7:16 AM  

I wish I could see God's Truth about Israel and its leaders. They seem far more Satanic than Godly.

Blogger Sherwood family May 19, 2016 7:24 AM  

It is the fact that Israelis and Jews have been so successful at getting various groups in the U.S. to identify with Israel and its needs/desires in some ways more than the needs/desires of their fellow Americans that I find disconcerting.

In the immediate aftermath of WWII they played up sympathy following the Holocaust to carve a homeland for themselves out of Palestine and get the U.S. (and others) to vote for Partition at the UN.

During the Cold War they played the Communist/Capitalist and Atheist/Theist cards to get the U.S. on board supporting it against its Arab neighbors.

Now they play the Democracy/non-Islamic terrorist card to continue the support.

But in all of these these they do a good job demonstrating how this support will help Israel but not such a good job showing how U.S. expenditure of money in Israel helps the U.S. (outside of some benefit for the military industrial complex).

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 7:27 AM  

Horowitz was a warrior for the Trotskyite New Left in his youth, and a warrior for millennialist reengineering of the Middle East in his dotage. He is a fool. He has learned nothing. He has lurched from one Perfectionist Progressivism to another his whole life.

An apt and devastating epitaph for an intellectual.

And not only do all three of these prognosticators fully expect their opinions to be taken seriously by American conservatives, but indeed in large part their opinions ARE taken seriously by many Americans calling themselves conservatives, and not a few liberals too.

But not the Alt Right. And that is why they hate and fear us, regardless of whether we are pro-Israel pragmatists or genuine "warm-up-the-ovens" Jew-haters.

I find it rather bemusing that so many Jews can't imagine that anyone could possibly be indifferent to the fact that someone else hates them. Do they care that Hutus hate Tutsis or that the Korowai hate the Jawara? Then why would you imagine that anyone cares that someone else hates Jews?

Anonymous mature-Craig May 19, 2016 7:28 AM  

great article

Anonymous Bagger Vance May 19, 2016 7:29 AM  

I just read somewhere that even David Brooks' son served in the IDF. I think it would be interesting to compare how many political insiders kids do that vs how many serve in the US Armed Forces, just to try to quantify their priorities.

Blogger Cecil Henry May 19, 2016 7:30 AM  

Goldberg shows his delusional and parasitic motivations.


American founded on the cornerstone of Israel?? Beyond absurd. Contemptible, manipulative rhetoric with no basis in reality, but every basis in making as always Jews, Jews, Jews the only thing that matters.

Everything else is supposed to be host for the parasite.

Anonymous mature-Craig May 19, 2016 7:30 AM  

ab-jure

verb (used with object), abjured, abjuring.

1. to renounce, repudiate, or retract, especially with formal solemnity; recant:
to abjure one's errors.

2. to renounce or give up under oath; forswear:
to abjure allegiance.

3. to avoid or shun.

usage: Haqqani invests great hope that a decision by Pakistan's military to abjure politics may correct these trends.

Anonymous Rona May 19, 2016 7:33 AM  

FALPhil wrote:@17 Rona

They never hate anyone, not even Iranian muslims as much as they hate White Christian men.

Which I find curious since I have seen more than a few bumper stickers in the parking lots of evangelical churches proclaiming support for Israel. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that evangelicals are the Jews' largest support group in North America.



Oh, they absolutely are. It's just that their feelings are not reciprocated. Poor evangelicals, Jews hate they more than any other group. Looks like those bumper stickers aren't sufficient. Neither is donating shekels, sending sons to war to make middle east safe for democracy nor denouncing anti-semites and adopting black infants to prove anti-racism. Frankly, I'm out of ideas as to what evangelicals can do to make Jews like them.

http://www.unz.com/isteve/pew-how-americans-feel-about-religious-groups/

Rona

Anonymous karsten May 19, 2016 7:56 AM  

"This makes me happy. A hearty salute to NRx, you have defeated the neo-cons."

LOL. The NRx is to the Alt-Right as Neoconservatism is to Conservatism. NRx is packed with philo-Semites and Israel-firsters, right down from (((Moldberg))), their cult leader.

That's why much of the Alt Right can't stand NRx. It has their number. The purpose of the NRx was to jew Reaction, just as the purpose of the Neocons was to jew Conservatism.

Basically, NRx wants what the Neocons had, for a while: leadership of the country. Except that the NRx wanted it explicitly, not implicitly, and NRx wanted to do away with democracy altogeter, while the Neocons figured that that was a bridge too far and thought that by controlling the media, democracy was no real threat to them.

Neocons and NRx should get alone very well. "Like will to like, said the devil to the collier." Both share a contempt for the "stupid goyim."

It is the Alt-Right that is the true enemy of both of those parasitic entities. May it succeed.

Anonymous Bobby Farr May 19, 2016 7:59 AM  

It is a beautiful thing watching all these foreign contaminants increasingly pushed to the margins of society as the Trumpian centrifuge gathers speed. How recently was it that there were few Republicans who would even suggest enforcing existing immigration laws? Trump started with a wall, then added deportations, then a ban on Muslim migrants, then a moratorium on legal immigration, now the Jewish neocon talking heads are being swept out of the mainstream right media. And did you see the surnames of his potential Supreme Court nominees? No obvious foreigners. Too early to see what, if anything, comes to fruition but on paper it is more than a supporter of a cohesive old stock white Protestant America could have realistically hoped for in 2016.

Blogger Rusty Fife May 19, 2016 8:02 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:I am sure it is a lovely country and has cool historical/religiously important sites. But those same sites existed when it was under Ottoman control until the end of WWI.

They need to nut up and build the Temple already. It's hard to take them seriously until they do.

Blogger Josh May 19, 2016 8:05 AM  

How recently was it that there were few Republicans who would even suggest enforcing existing immigration laws?

2001

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 19, 2016 8:06 AM  

Do they care that...the Korowai hate the Jawara?

Nah. Even C-3PO hated them.
"Disgusting creatures!"

Anonymous mature-Craig May 19, 2016 8:09 AM  

re 30: but I think it works the other way in some cases too, I can imagine high character high integrity Jewish people being really really nice to Christians, sometimes condemning the actions of their own people and still some anti-semtic no matter what they do its never good enough,.... I suppose its a matter of Jews and Christians getting to know each other better and building up trust relationships

Blogger Josh May 19, 2016 8:14 AM  

I suppose its a matter of Jews and Christians getting to know each other better and building up trust relationships

Familiarity breeds contempt

Blogger Sherwood family May 19, 2016 8:16 AM  

This is where my Old Testament understanding of Judaism gets me as a non-Jew in trouble. The Tabernacle and then the Temple were clearly the center of Jewish worship in the pre-exilic period, at least after Josiah's reforms. But following its destruction by Titus in 70 A.D. the Jews developed a way of worshipping and dealing with God which, while deriving from what went before was also divorced from that what was part of the temple-centric worship that existed prior to 70 A.D.

I am not a Jew so I don't know how modern rabbinical Judaism would even deal with a rebuilt temple. I suspect there would be a certain amount of internecine competition to impose various halachic interpretations on how to approach both the building and use of a temple.

But who knows. I don't have a dog in that particular fight.

Blogger Lazarus May 19, 2016 8:27 AM  

Josh wrote:How recently was it that there were few Republicans who would even suggest enforcing existing immigration laws?

2001


Recently sent a video to my siblings that shows Trump and Bill Clinton on illegal immigration. Bill Clinton clips are from a State of the Union speech in the 90's. They are the same.

Link

Usually they have some retort. Haven't heard a peep.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown May 19, 2016 8:28 AM  

"Israel is... the cornerstone on which the edifice of the American republic was founded in the first place."

I believe the word you're looking for is "chutzpah".

Blogger Ben Cohen May 19, 2016 8:35 AM  

Vox you are right. I live in a community where the only issue many people vote on is Israel Uber alles. They should all make aliyah.

I am good friends with someone who's organization shovels money to politicians to be proisrael. They hand out talking points to spin why the issues effecting Israel are Americas issues. It's propaganda to get the American government bogged down in the middle East.

In my view this organization should be shut down for promoting a foreign country over the US. If you want to call a crusade to defend the holy land from Islam be honest with your intentions and don't be a parasite.

Alexius Comnenus and numerous others when calling for crusades were honest with their intentions.

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 8:36 AM  

I can imagine high character high integrity Jewish people being really really nice to Christians

Craig, reality is not even related to what you can imagine. American Jews, on average, hate evangelical Christians. They are more anti-Christian than American Muslims are anti-Semitic. That doesn't mean they all are. I know some who are not myself.

But that is the statistical reality; American Jews prefer even Muslims to evangelicals.

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 8:39 AM  

Vox you are right. I live in a community where the only issue many people vote on is Israel Uber alles. They should all make aliyah.

They probably should. It's not 1941 Nazi Germany or anything in America, not even close, but it is observably moving towards post-1929 Weimar.

Blogger Desiderius May 19, 2016 8:45 AM  

"Frankly, I'm out of ideas as to what evangelicals can do to make Jews like them."

The usual. Self-respect.

Blogger Desiderius May 19, 2016 8:50 AM  

"American Jews, on average, hate evangelical Christians."

The ones trying to keep up with the post-Protestant Joneses do, because that's what the Joneses do. It's a status marker. Orthodox are more mixed. There are wise Jews who have made their peace. I'm not so crazy about our current crop of evangelicals myself - not a little cuckery there.

Blogger Desiderius May 19, 2016 8:52 AM  

"It's not 1941 Nazi Germany or anything in America, not even close, but it is observably moving towards post-1929 Weimar."

There are places where it's further along than that, but Jews aren't the scapegoat for that crowd - we are.

Blogger Ben Cohen May 19, 2016 8:52 AM  

Vox everything you say is correct. The evangelicals are looked down on by the elite leftist Jews.

I do know Jews who will not view Israel as the only issue and are usually trump supporters but the self proclaimed neurotic paranoid leaders are leftists through and through like the ask and bnei brith.

There is also an inferiority complex because many Jews will tout how smart and accomplished they are while lashing out in rage against non-jews that notice this elite pompous bs for what it is.

Anonymous Rona May 19, 2016 8:56 AM  

mature-Craig wrote:re 30: but I think it works the other way in some cases too, I can imagine high character high integrity Jewish people being really really nice to Christians, sometimes condemning the actions of their own people and still some anti-semtic no matter what they do its never good enough,.... I suppose its a matter of Jews and Christians getting to know each other better and building up trust relationships

It's not that there aren't good Jewish people who get along with and mean well of white Christians, it's that Jews as a group despise and work to subvert any decent white nation even when that nation has no ill will towards them.

In my country of ~4.5 million, there are officially less than a 1000 Jews, yet every Jew but one, that is in a policy making position or has an infuence in the media promotes aggressive anti-nationalism, revisionism of history in schools, compulsory gender ideology and homosexualist education, renegotiation of state relations with Vatican so as to remove funding for the Church as well as to remove voluntary Catholic study hour available in schools, anti-discrimination laws, hate speech laws, protected and privileged legal status for LGBT, minority ethnic and religious groups, this includes voting rights in which each ethnic minority vote is worth 2 regular votes, guaranteed representation in parliament, preferences in hiring, feminism, establishment and financing of NGOs and antifa organizations...

Until you see the effect they have on your nation you don't understand that few good apples make little difference and that in order to save your nation it is necessary to deal with them as a group.

Rona

Anonymous mature-Craig May 19, 2016 9:03 AM  

re 42: I wont nitpick with your conclusion, its pretty close to mine.

I suffer from some guilt from a anti-Semitic phase I went thru in around 2010-2011 so now I am always looking to give them the benefit of doubt maybe too much

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 9:09 AM  

There is also an inferiority complex because many Jews will tout how smart and accomplished they are while lashing out in rage against non-jews that notice this elite pompous bs for what it is.

It is always amusing to see Jews bragging about how one subset of them has an IQ that is several standard deviations below my own. There are more than an order of magnitude more high-IQ Europeans than there are high-IQ Ashkenazi Jews, and even more high-IQ Chinese.

I don't think they realize how stupid that "Jews are real smart" line makes them look; especially since the IQ advantage they have most likely comes from their Italian genes.

As for accomplishments, well, we'll see how long they last when Europeans finally start playing the tribal nepotism game. Israel is doing great, but it's easy to see that it's not quite so easy to accomplish things when you can't build on someone else's foundations.

Blogger Desiderius May 19, 2016 9:09 AM  

Rona,

"It necessarily involves keeping Americans in the dark as to their interests, misinforming and lying to them"

This is going on - the question is whether Spengler is doing it/advocating it. I don't see much in this article at least to suggest that he is. He's wrong about the proposition nation. Wrong is different than mendacious.

VD,

"If he is attempting to guide America's actions in someone else's interests and against the interest of Americans, that is sufficient to make him an enemy of America, and observably a much more insidious enemy than Russia or Iran."

Agreed. Haven't seen compelling evidence of the premise. Lately, at least.

Here's what Spengler was talking about when he says Israel's destiny is bound up with America's:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/191876/will-israel-save-america

Pretty darn heretical/unorthodox, but also pretty consistent with your professed preference for direct democracy. I agree with neither of you on that, but you seem to agree with one another, at least where political principles are concerned. Admittedly you get there by a different route. He may just be back-rationalizing what he sees as best for Israel and thereby constructing and idea of America that fits. It's not clear that that view is necessarily inimical to current American interests, nor your view of how you'd like the American polity to function.

If it were, he wouldn't be backing Trump, albeit reluctantly.

Blogger Desiderius May 19, 2016 9:11 AM  

"The evangelicals are looked down on by the elite leftist Jews."

Leftist Jews are already the enemy. The question is whether (all) non-Leftist ones are and/or what criteria one uses to distinguish friend from foe.

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 9:18 AM  

I just ran the numbers based on the subset populations. For the record, the average Jewish IQ is 104. Not bad at all. But not terribly impressive either.

As for why the average Ashkenazi IQ is higher than the average Sephardic and Mizrahi IQs, it's a combination of a) environmental pressure and b) Romano-Italian genes.

Blogger Ben Cohen May 19, 2016 9:22 AM  

Vox,

Thank God for that. Italy has the best wine and some of the hottest women. Do Italian women tend to be neurotic like japs?

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 9:27 AM  

Thank God for that. Italy has the best wine and some of the hottest women. Do Italian women tend to be neurotic like japs?

I was completely confused until I realized you didn't mean Japanese women. But yes, the whole extravagantly flamboyant thing that characterizes Jewish-American women is very Italian. As is the mama's boy behavior of the Jewish-American men.

What the Ashkenazi lack is the Italian peasant good sense, the Italian friendliness, and la dolce vita. And, of course, la bella figura.

Blogger synp May 19, 2016 9:28 AM  

Wow. American Jews can be pretentious pricks. I mean, they're my brothers and all that, and they should all make Aliya, but get a grip.

Anonymous mature-Craig May 19, 2016 9:28 AM  

re 48 fair enough and well written

Blogger Ben Cohen May 19, 2016 9:37 AM  

It's sad that Jews have the bad qualities of Italians and none of the good ones.

Blogger Desiderius May 19, 2016 9:40 AM  

Rona,

"Until you see the effect they have on your nation you don't understand that few good apples make little difference and that in order to save your nation it is necessary to deal with them as a group."

Jews thrive within the culture that remains from the devastation wreaked by the post-Protestant cancer, and there were (and are) Jews involved in that devastation. There were/are also non-Jews instigating it/involved in it, prominent Jews fighting against it, and Jews pursuing the interests of Israel whose interests align with those committed to that fight. Certainly not enough, but at the very least a divide and conquer strategy should not be dismissed, if one is disinclined to pursue those common interests.

Blogger Rusty Fife May 19, 2016 9:43 AM  

VD wrote:American Jews, on average, hate evangelical Christians. They are more anti-Christian than American Muslims are anti-Semitic.

If they want to destroy evangelical Christianity; build the Temple. This is the primary prophecy in the New Testament for evagelicals.

It would be like the Hale Bop comet showing up and no one getting transported to Niribu for Christians.

I know it would falsify the faith to me.

It's within your power Jews; just do it!

Anonymous maure-Craig May 19, 2016 9:48 AM  

Israel's destiny is bound up with America's

hopefully America's national debt is also bound up with Israel

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 19, 2016 9:55 AM  

I just want my freedom from the Trotskyite American Empire.

White Zionism its time has come.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2016 9:58 AM  

``If they want to destroy evangelical Christianity; build the Temple. This is the primary prophecy in the New Testament for evagelicals.''

There will be a temple at The End. It obviously won't be the previous temple, and it need not be the next temple. Does the bible promise that there will be exactly N temples? If not, there could be any number of temples between Solomon and The End.

Blogger Rusty Fife May 19, 2016 10:02 AM  

@63

Don't take my fun away.

Blogger Ben Cohen May 19, 2016 10:03 AM  

Desiderius,

Jews are not thriving in America anymore. Can explain this if you want me to.

Anonymous TLM May 19, 2016 10:05 AM  

USS Liberty- Never Again!

America is the beta-cuck in the US/Israel relationship, sad.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 19, 2016 10:05 AM  

I just realized something. The nation of Israel and the Jews living in America use American wealth and political influence not just to further their own interests but to keep it out of the hands of other nations. It's the jealous girlfriend syndrome. That's why they come across as so desperate. They don't have an abundance mentality.

Blogger Marsh May 19, 2016 10:09 AM  

Isn't it David Goldman and not David Goldberg?

Blogger Sheila4g May 19, 2016 10:11 AM  

I don't understand why so many, who clearly see the danger leftist Jews pose, don't also see the inherent anti-Americanism in the orthodox Jews. More specifically, the pseudo-18th century Polish Hasidim.

While I don't know any personally, from what I've read they utilize every loophole and jot and tittle of American law to ensure complete subsidization by US taxpayers. They run their own subsidized sex-segregated bus lines. They take over entire towns via block-busting and insanely aggressive real estate agents. They deliberately destroy local school systems by withholding funding while siphoning public monies for their own private religious schools (I'll give them a bit of a pass there because I'm against public schools). They vote lockstep with their local magic rabbi (various different communities seem to have their own)and many/most of their children don't even have a rudimentary understanding of America or its history, because literally ALL they study is the Old Testament of the Bible and the rabbinic commentaries.

I've seen many compare them with the Amish, and again, while I don't know any personally, I don't believe they use welfare or are generally tax cheats. I have read of local communities having conflicts due to large numbers of Amish moving in and buying up large lots of land due to pooling of funds, and I realize they also don't often know a great deal about "modern" America, but most of them appear genuinely to want to be left alone, with no ill-will or animosity or manipulation of the local populace.

Perhaps I'm being naive about the Amish, but I know people are being naive about the Jews. I don't believe I've read of any Amish retaining loyalty to their ancestral homelands in Europe, while the most observant Jews, in particular, still hew closely to Israel.

Blogger VFM #7191 May 19, 2016 10:15 AM  

Rusty Fife wrote:I know it would falsify the faith to me.

It should only falsify your errant eschatology.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 19, 2016 10:16 AM  

@60

I'm curious as to which precise prophecy you are referring?

I always smiled a wry smile when anyone mentioned how crazy Dubya was saying God told him to invade Iraq. Not that I believed him, or that he has any kind of genuine Christian devotion in him, but God has a way of using the plans of his enemies.

When Hussein said he was going to re-build Babylon and turn it into a tourist attraction I thought he was treading a dangerous path. But on the surface he had all the material cards; he was in total control of his nation, he was a favoured ally of the most powerful nation on earth, a strategic geopolitical pawn in the middle east.

Now he's dead - killed by that same nation - and Iraq is in bloody chaos, the middle east in flames, Babylon still a reeking ruin. Because there actually is a prophecy that says Babylon will never again be inhabited.

I'm not aware of any parallel regarding the rebuilding of the temple...

Blogger Unknown May 19, 2016 10:21 AM  

"The existential crisis of the nation is a considerably more important matter than the dramatic histrionics of a lesser minority."

I conjured a wonderful image of Trump using that very sentence in a speech. Granted 99% of the audience would think he said 'history' but nevertheless the HurtFeels would have been gorgeous to behold.

Blogger Marsh May 19, 2016 10:25 AM  

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Blogger Shimshon May 19, 2016 10:28 AM  

"As for why the average Ashkenazi IQ is higher than the average Sephardic and Mizrahi IQs, it's a combination of a) environmental pressure and b) Romano-Italian genes."

Vox, my understanding is that if you go further back some or even many of those Romano-Italian genes have a Levantine (non-Jewish) origin.

Blogger praetorian May 19, 2016 10:28 AM  

The alt-righter's progress on the JQ.

"my granddaddy couldn't join the golf club"

Now only jews and a token catholic are in the golf club, and the grandson has no job, no wife and no kids and a higher debt-to-earnings ratio than a failed roman farmer.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 19, 2016 10:34 AM  

What the Ashkenazi lack is the Italian peasant good sense...

A genetic predisposition to weak amygdala maybe? I see a people who, while capable of long-time preferences, can't seen to stick with that mode. Though it's odd - the more real the existential threat, the better they do. But once a bit of prosperity comes along, the (possibly imagined) threat of any setback flips the switch.

Duh, now I get it. Matriarchal society. When the threats are real, the women shut up and let the men handle things. When the threats go away, the women drive everyone crazy with fake drama..

Anonymous Jack Amok May 19, 2016 10:36 AM  

Jews are not thriving in America anymore. Can explain this if you want me to.

I'd be interested in it.

Blogger synp May 19, 2016 10:38 AM  

Sheila4g wrote:I don't understand why so many, who clearly see the danger leftist Jews pose, don't also see the inherent anti-Americanism in the orthodox Jews. More specifically, the pseudo-18th century Polish Hasidim.

You're missing a distinction here. The Hassidim are actively opposed to Israel and actively opposed to integration with the Goyim. They want to be left alone, and have their Shtetl in the exile. Even when they set up their Shtetl in Israel, they still consider it their exile because the true Israel will only be when the Messiah comes.

The modern Orthodox (think Joseph Lieberman) tend to be the Israel-first kind.

The reform Jews are all over the map. Those who are soft-of conservatives tend to be Israel-first. Those who are left-wing tend to go with the Liberal "Zionism is a new colonialism so every thing Israel does is bad and all Palestinians are victims" crowd, except that they will sometime see Israelis as victims of the "Imperial" west setting up the poor Jews to hold its fort in the Middle East and victimize the poor natives. That's the Bernie crowd, although most are not that extreme.

Israelis are mostly the modern orthodox kind, so it's fine for us to be Israel-first. We also have a traditional contempt for people staying in the exile, and that includes all three of the above groups.

Blogger Gaiseric May 19, 2016 10:41 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:Duh, now I get it. Matriarchal society. When the threats are real, the women shut up and let the men handle things. When the threats go away, the women drive everyone crazy with fake drama..
Is that really much different from what happened throughout the West in the last century or so, though?

Blogger Shimshon May 19, 2016 10:43 AM  

@69 Having grown up in Los Angeles, I am less familiar with New York Jewish life. But I have read of some of these large and growing and insular (mostly) hasidic groups taking over entire towns. Friction is probably too gentle a word to describe the clash between them and the other residents they are displacing (some of whom are even secular Jews). They do vote in lockstep and they have extreme discipline. Almost VFM-like in certain situations.

Sheila4g you are right that they by and large do not teach any secular studies, and they likely don't even teach in English, nor speak English in most circumstances (this is not all Jews, which approaching 2M in number I think). English is often halting at best. They may or may not even know Hebrew. That's how insular some are.

Some of these groups have reputations of being quite well-off. There are cases of skirting the law that does occur, but my guess is the vast majority of activity is (alas) totally legal and above board. Unfortunately they are either not concerned or even aware (yes, this is possible) about their reputations they generate with the others they live among.

Blogger Krul May 19, 2016 10:47 AM  

VD wrote:American Jews, on average, hate evangelical Christians.

Why?

Seriously, why? American Jews are like the dissatisfied girlfriend who relentlessly nags a beta boyfriend in the hope that he'll finally grow a pair and stop taking her shit.

Meanwhile the evangelicals are like the clueless boyfriend who can't stop putting his harpy on a pedestal.

Blogger praetorian May 19, 2016 10:48 AM  

A genetic predisposition to weak amygdala maybe? I see a people who, while capable of long-time preferences, can't seen to stick with that mode.

What we are seeing is a group that has retained historical identity through thousands of years (genetically plausible or not.) The time preferences are on the order of centuries, if not millennia. The jewish meme has produced one of the worlds great nations, punching so absurdly above its weight that it is impossible to not see divine (or, at times, diabolical) forces at work.

The meme found a structural weakness in Christianity, universalism, and embraced and extended it while retaining in-group preferences and interests.

Blogger Shimshon May 19, 2016 10:56 AM  

@81 Secular American Jews have no anchor identity other than what they're not (some are pro-Israel, but then again, they're living in America or somewhere else besides Israel). They're not Christians (though many do have Christmas trees and similar). And so forth. And evangelicals are the worst of the worst (them, not me). Probably because of the perception Christians think non-Christians go to hell, or something like that. Don't like that someone else doesn't like them, even if it's not personal at all. Like Vox and others say.

Also, since most secular Jews live in very liberal enclaves (I grew up in West LA, for example), which is already hostile to devout Christianity, it's just part of the milieu.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 19, 2016 10:59 AM  

Is that really much different from what happened throughout the West in the last century or so, though?

Yes, it's different. The West has experimented (with disastrous results) in extending formal voting rights to women while attempting to run representative democracies, but there is no cultural track record of Western civilization being matriarchal. That means - and this gives me some optimism - there's no particular reason to believe we'll make a cycle of this sort of thing. One and done, failed experiment, versus repeated behavior.


Blogger kurt9 May 19, 2016 11:01 AM  

The neo-conservatives enforced party discipline in the media and foundations they control with the same inquisitorial zeal that the Left applies to the persecution of conservatives at American universities. They crushed dissent ruthlessly, and declared anathema upon anyone who questioned them.

Do remember when the Egregious Frum, one of these neo-cons at National Review, read everyone out of the conservative movement who was not onboard the neo-con train. It was another neo-con, Max Boot I think, who about the same time read anyone out who was not onboard with "big government" conservatism.

It was the mid-term elections of '06, where the democrats got majorities in both houses, that I predicted that the neo-con movement would fail.

Blogger kurt9 May 19, 2016 11:02 AM  

As to the Spengler posting itself, its 50% gold and 50% crap.

Blogger Shimshon May 19, 2016 11:02 AM  

Can someone explain what NRx is? National Review X?

Anonymous Case May 19, 2016 11:03 AM  

Lying, murdering children of the Devil.

Always keep that in mind.

Blogger synp May 19, 2016 11:05 AM  

Krul wrote:VD wrote:American Jews, on average, hate evangelical Christians.

Why?


It's more wariness than hate. Because evangelicals are true believers. Because evangelicals have this weird fascination with Jews, especially the Jews in Israel because they see Israel as part of some divine plan that is unfolding. Because at the end of this divine plan all the Jews either die or convert. So while the interests align right now, they won't in the future. We don't share the same long-term goals.

Israeli Jews love American evangelicals, because the aligned interests are enough. American Jews who don't plan to move to Israel have to live with these evangelicals for the long term.

Anonymous meat eater 57 May 19, 2016 11:10 AM  

Kristol's 3rd party is so amazingly tone deaf that its clear he still has no clue whats going on or how to appeal to the electorate or the best way to torpedo Trump. I am no longer concerned about the threat of a third party.

Blogger praetorian May 19, 2016 11:11 AM  

NRx is neo-reaction, an overly-intellectualized right wing branch of political philosophy that starts with the idea that the enlightenment was a huge mistake and progresses from there.

Uneven and autistic, none the less is has been a contributor to the resurgence of the TruRight in the last five years.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 19, 2016 11:13 AM  

The meme found a structural weakness in Christianity, universalism, and embraced and extended it while retaining in-group preferences and interests.

Yes, but the meme is playing a dangerous game. Perhaps the only reason it wasn't extinguished 70 years ago was it only pissed off half the Saxons, and coincidentally did it at a time those Saxons were at war with the other half.

Nobody will save the meme from the Han, because we don't care any more.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2016 11:15 AM  

Shimshon wrote:Can someone explain what NRx is? National Review X?
Neo-Reaction e.g. Moldbug et al.

Where the alt-right looks at the failure of American society and focuses on identity and segregation, NRx looks at the failure of American society and blames it on Liberty or Democracy or other non-features of the system. Anti-Enlightenmentism is too unwieldy.
Wheeler is fairly close to the stance of many Neo-Reactionaries.

Blogger Krul May 19, 2016 11:28 AM  

@89
Well that makes sense. In that case the evangelicals are more like the weird guy with a creepy fixation on a girl who isn't interested.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2016 11:39 AM  

Evangelicals and Baptists (and to a lesser extent Catholics) are the Christians it's okay to hate in America. Unlike Episcopalians and many Mainline Protestant denominations, they actually believe their religion.
Most Jews don't actually know any Evangelicals, and I would wager that only a very small percentage know anything about what Evangelicals actually believe. They commonly believe the Atheist lie that Evangelicals hate non-Christians and want them to go to hell.

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade May 19, 2016 12:09 PM  

LOL Man that article has a little of everything including flipping the "Jew is..." switch from the religion setting and back. It's getting hard to tell who's jewing who anymore.

As a literal Nazi, here's the thing: we like to troll about ovens and such for the lulz but the truth of the matter is that most of us don't actually have some sort of irrational hate for Jews. It's more of an issue of pattern recognition. Not noticing how time and again it's Jews at the bottom of so many of these things is as ridiculous as pretending blacks aren't the overwhelming crime problem in America.

Anonymous BGKB May 19, 2016 12:19 PM  

"my granddaddy couldn't join the golf club"

Is it true that jews wont join golf clubs that don't let non-handicapped people use golf carts?

There's a distinction to be drawn between his feelings toward America vs., say, Iran.

Is the distinction that he would honestly share his feelings or do you think he wouldn't sell Iran's children's future for some shekels? There are only 4 jewish charity hospitals in the world, one is in Tehran, there are (shepardic which are 2nd class jews in Israel)jews in Iran that turned down a standing $10,000 move to Israel deal. Iran is more anti Zionist than anti jew.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 19, 2016 12:19 PM  

As to the Spengler posting itself, its 50% gold and 50% crap.

More like a turd someone spray-painted with fake-gold, really. A turd covered with gold-leaf at best. Why would we expect anything more?

Blogger No Thank you May 19, 2016 12:22 PM  

FALPhil wrote:@17 Rona

They never hate anyone, not even Iranian muslims as much as they hate White Christian men.

Which I find curious since I have seen more than a few bumper stickers in the parking lots of evangelical churches proclaiming support for (((Our Greatest Ally))). If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that evangelicals are the Jews' largest support group in North America.


Then they are fools who clearly know nothing about self preservation.

Blogger exfarmkid May 19, 2016 12:33 PM  

(Sort of on-topic?)

Despite his irritating "Israel right or wrong" stance, Goldman is a hell of a lot smarter than Shapiro. Found a recent commentary by the latter linked in the comments at Spengler's column. The gist is that a tiny minority of what Shapiro describes as "anti-semites" negates the whole deal because Trump has not aggressively denounced all of these people.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435527/anti-semitism-donald-trump-right-nationalism-white-supremacism

Blogger Old Ez May 19, 2016 12:36 PM  

"Israel would be a very useful ally in the great clash of Christian and Islamic civilizations" - History belies this statement if you're assuming that the US will represent the "West" in any such conflict. More often than not, Jews have been facilitators of Muslim conquest and have fared far better under Muslim government than Christian government. The second problem with the statement is that such a clash would likely be headed by the coalition of Sunni states and Israel is now in objective, de facto, if not de jure, alliance with the Sunni Caliphate directed by Saud.

The implication here is also that the "United States" represents Christian or at least nominally "non-Islamic" interests, but in all likelihood, in any conflict between "Islam" and the "West", the "United States" will side with Islam against the people of Europe and the North America ("the West"). Think about it. Is there any doubt that if nationalist regimes came to power in Europe and began expelling migrants that the US would declare some sort of war on Europe? The Judeo-Masonic British Empire and its successor-state, "UNITED STATES", have always been betrayers of Western Civilization, going back at least to 1688 when an actual British state ceased to exist and was replaced with the private trust owned by the financiers.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 12:49 PM  

But Israel is not the cornerstone of America and its national priorities are neither primary, secondary, nor even tertiary for Americans.
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This is so obvious, yet they are exposing themselves all over the place as being only concerned about Jews.

And I point it out in article after article in their comment sections.

Anonymous FP May 19, 2016 12:50 PM  

Heh, the comments are amusing. Spengler is there defending himself and Shapiro to an extent.

"You're the one who thinks ethnicity is important. The Jews are the longest-surviving ethnicity in the world. Those who want to survive look to us as an example."

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 12:51 PM  

Semi OT
If you guys haven't seen this hilarious trolling of Pizza Party Ben Cuckshiro, enjoy :P

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/18/little-benji-throws-twitter-tantrum/

Anonymous BGKB May 19, 2016 1:02 PM  

Israel had some importance to the U.S. during the Cold War

They stole and sold our nuke secretes to the USSR (((leadership))).

bumper stickers in the parking lots of evangelical churches proclaiming support for Israel. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that evangelicals are the Jews' largest support group in North America

They are easy to take for granted, and evangelicals only support jews because they know the jews will bring about the end of the world

I just read somewhere that even David Brooks' son served in the IDF

All Israelis have to serve their nation in some capacity for at least 2 years, its how Israel keeps jews from jawing it.

Israel is doing great, but it's easy to see that it's not quite so easy to accomplish things when you can't build on someone else's foundations

$8billion a year from the US taxpayer has a lot to do with it.

Jews are not thriving in America anymore. Can explain this if you want me to.

They didn't keep their own people from drinking the kool aid. Every gay jew I know fears Netenyahoo more than moslem beheaders. The big Ponzi schemes have started to break up with Madoff , Corzine, and minority controlled areas banning new pay day loan stores. Importing the 3rd world lowers the trust in society, and part of jewish success came from exploiting high trust.

Perhaps I'm being naive about the Amish, but I know people are being naive about the Jews. I don't believe I've read of any Amish

I would rather have the Amish take over my area. They are far more live and let live.

"The existential crisis of the nation is a considerably more important matter than the dramatic histrionics of a lesser minority."

Trump would never say that in a speech because we argued over how many Americans understood the world scold despite it being on an elementary level word list.

Anonymous MendoScot May 19, 2016 1:02 PM  

I just ran the numbers based on the subset populations. For the record, the average Jewish IQ is 104. Not bad at all. But not terribly impressive either.

I recently saw list of IQ by country. Israel came about 1/3 of the way down the list at 98, behind Argentina.

Anonymous FP May 19, 2016 1:07 PM  

'Do they care that...the Korowai hate the Jawara?

Nah. Even C-3PO hated them.
"Disgusting creatures!"'

Who knew that even Golden Rod the homo-robosexual is based.

Blogger praetorian May 19, 2016 1:09 PM  

The Jews are the longest-surviving ethnicity in the world. Those who want to survive look to us as an example

Yes, that is precisely what we should do.

David will not like the results.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 1:10 PM  

@32 Bobby Farr

It is a beautiful thing watching all these foreign contaminants increasingly pushed to the margins of society as the Trumpian centrifuge gathers speed. How recently was it that there were few Republicans who would even suggest enforcing existing immigration laws?
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Pat Buchanans run ?

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 19, 2016 1:10 PM  

"You're the one who thinks ethnicity is important. The Jews are the longest-surviving ethnicity in the world. Those who want to survive look to us as an example."

That naturally begs the question: Why then do they become so white-hot furious if a nation actually does follow their own example? We have a number of Israeli posters here, who are generally 'Israel-first' - which is perfectly logical and to be expected, nothing crazy, evil or abnormal about it. They are Israelis after all.

That's not what we're seeing from Goldman and his fellow neo-con men (of whom Max Boot is likely the very worst, though Littlest Chickenhawk gives him fair contest). Not one of these dual-citizens even lives in Israel. They'd better be praying on their knees to whatever God they pray to that the dumbed-down denizens of the American hinterland make Plan C become a reality and is not corrupted to the core by folks like Uncle Sheldon jumping on the the bandwagon. If they manage to derail Plan C, the only thing left for YT is Plan D or Plan K. Unpleasantness will likely be a salient feature.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 1:15 PM  

@38 Sherwood family
I don't have a dog in that particular fight.
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That's my feeling about all of this inter Jewish squabbling like Spergler here and Horowitz jumping on Kristol.

There are these irritating posters in comment sections always going on about jooooooos. But these guys are literally living up to the stereotype. Read through there articles and its always about what is best for Israel, what is best for Jews, etc. Recently I haven't seen even one article from these guys asking what is best for the United States.

While I don't consider having a dog in the fight, I do consider it very insulting that these people are acting like foreign subversives.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 1:22 PM  

@48 Rona

In my country of ~4.5 million, there are officially less than a 1000 Jews, yet every Jew but one, that is in a policy making position or has an infuence in the media promotes aggressive anti-nationalism,
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Such a miniscule percentage should not be chewing away at the fabric of a nation like a termite

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 1:24 PM  

@49 mature-Craig
I suffer from some guilt from a anti-Semitic phase I went thru in around 2010-2011 so now I am always looking to give them the benefit of doubt maybe too much
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Seek a balance, not an over reaction.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 1:29 PM  

@60 Rusty Fife
It would be like the Hale Bop comet showing up and no one getting transported to Niribu for Christians.
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Hey, I forgot about Nibiru :P

Or is it called Planet X these days?

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 1:30 PM  

@63 Ominous Cowherd
There will be a temple at The End. It obviously won't be the previous temple, and it need not be the next temple. Does the bible promise that there will be exactly N temples? If not, there could be any number of temples between Solomon and The End.
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Or perhaps there is an alternate reality that is out of phase with us by 2 octaves that didn't have the temple leveled and big dimensional domino effect.

Nope, I really have no clue what I am talking about :P But it seems like a good kernel for a short story.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2016 1:54 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:Nope, I really have no clue what I am talking about :P But it seems like a good kernel for a short story.

John C Wright has already written/is currently writing it.

Blogger VD May 19, 2016 2:15 PM  

I do consider it very insulting that these people are acting like foreign subversives.

Acting?

Anonymous Ahmad ibn Fadhlan May 19, 2016 2:35 PM  

@69 - Sheila... ask Shimshon, they do the "panning for subsidies" bit in Israel, too, pretty much the same way.

Very religious enclaves need outside support, unless you have the genius of the Cistercians and the right macro environment. State subsidies have often been an important source for just about every religion I can think of with a friendly state. If they can get it, they will. Sometimes all the way to Cuckianity, as we see with the refugee resettlement programs.

Anonymous Rona May 19, 2016 3:00 PM  

mature-Craig wrote:re 42: I wont nitpick with your conclusion, its pretty close to mine.

I suffer from some guilt from a anti-Semitic phase I went thru in around 2010-2011 so now I am always looking to give them the benefit of doubt maybe too much


How is it that you came to anti-Semitic phase in the first place and what was it that made you change your views and start feeling guilty about them?

I'm assuming you're an American and everyone until a minute ago recognized that there's no anti-Jewish sentiment in US culture so I'm interested what was it in 2010 that made you question that.

Rona

Blogger Sheila4g May 19, 2016 3:06 PM  

Interesting comment thread over at Sailer re the Jews (tiresome subject, I realize) with the usual suspects making the usual arguments. Luke Ford, a Christian who married a Jew and converted, has an interesting take on things, and then - predictably - a Jew angrily denounces him as "not a Jew," but just larping as one!

Rather tedious in all, but Luke Ford provided a link to what I found an interesting read - a surprisingly honest account from 1939 of a Jewish-Christian marriage, from the Christian wife's perspective. All the same themes (hypersensitivity, high ethnocentrism, etc.) are addressed in I married a Jew.

Blogger ray May 19, 2016 3:09 PM  

Nobody said Goldberg and Shapiro and these other chumps represented Israel. Except themselves, and clever wordies like you. What results from spending weekends with ole Depends Le Pens, I guess.

Great strawmen if'n you can get em.

Goona put the fake joos and the joo haters all in the same le pen, and let them devour each other. Yeah baybee good times!

Blogger Desiderius May 19, 2016 3:49 PM  

Ben Cohen,

"Jews are not thriving in America anymore."

Agreed in the sense that many are now coasting on the work of their fathers - e.g. Bill and Irving Kristol. They're still thriving relative to the goy in the Miltonian sense.


Farewell happy fields,
Where joy forever dwells: hail, horrors!

A mind not to be changed by place or time.
The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n

[…] Here at least
we shall be free; the Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choice
to reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 19, 2016 3:51 PM  

@117 VD
I do consider it very insulting that these people are acting like foreign subversives.

Acting?
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Point taken

Blogger FALPhil May 19, 2016 4:42 PM  

@105 BGKB
They are easy to take for granted, and evangelicals only support jews because they know the jews will bring about the end of the world

Nah, most evangelicals don't think Jews is God.

OpenID aew51183 May 19, 2016 5:37 PM  

@48

replace jews with whites and your policy complaints with "muh slavery" or "muh colonialism" or "muh prayer in schools" and you have the front page of Huffpo.

It's one thing to apply aggregate data to passive/non-invasive public policies like immigration, it's quite another to call for active collective punishment.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 19, 2016 7:01 PM  

Desiderius wrote:"Frankly, I'm out of ideas as to what evangelicals can do to make Jews like them."

The usual. Self-respect.


I conjecture that European Jews have adopted feminine mental patterns because, like women, they have adapted to societal support roles to the exclusion of productive roles.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 19, 2016 7:05 PM  

^ Poorly worded, should have used some qualifiers.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 19, 2016 7:14 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:I don't understand why so many, who clearly see the danger leftist Jews pose, don't also see the inherent anti-Americanism in the orthodox Jews. More specifically, the pseudo-18th century Polish Hasidim.

Because no one outside of New York City has ever met one. Unlike secular or Christian Jews, who are a mixed bag, the Hasidic strain appears to be 100% cancerous.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 19, 2016 7:48 PM  

The Synagogue of Satan is not smart, but quite insane. Like their predecessors the Baal Worshipping Essenes of Palestine, these Asiatic Khazar pretenders are less a religion than a hater of religion. They adopted this "Judaic" pose when they were chased from the Steppes of Asia into Europe proper by Ghenghis Khan. They were associates of the Legendary Assassins Cult who unwisely attempted to blackmail The Great Khan by threatening him. This is a mistake you never repeat. The Khan's Golden Horde swept into the Caucuses Mountains where they were hiding and slaughtered the Entire Population thus ended the terror of the Assassin Cult once and for all. These Khazar pretenders were supporters and rumored to be helping them and the Khan's Horsemen chase them from Khazaria until they fled to the River Danube. There they purchased an old Torah scroll from a merchant and adopted this pose as "jews". In Truth, they follow the Babylonian Talmud, supposedly recovered from the ruins of a small temple of the Babylonians in some unnamed lost City in the middle of a desert.
The Babylonian Religion is a combination of Mammon materialism and Gnostic/Tantric Sex Cult. Their false deity is the Golden Calf which symbolizes their views that all living creatures are merely cattle to be harvested and enslaved to them as well as the Feast and Orgy of the Harvest so common in pagan religions.
The Evangelical Religion is the domain of hucksters who run revival tent meetings and involve hysterical emotional appeals of devotion. Their Christianity is highly suspect as they usually use the donations of their followers to fund a lavish lifestyle of riches and wealth while indulging in all sorts of vile sinful hedonistic activities like whoring and partying. The Televangelists like Bakker, Swaggert and Pat Robertson's so-called "700 Club" are a modern offshoot of these Circus Tent Travelling Shows. Its rumored that the 700 is the addition of the number 666 + 34. 666 is the triurn number of Satan and 34 is the top degree of Freemasonry before you get to the inner circle which goes to 666 which is usually a Rothschild Family Member.

Anonymous BBB May 19, 2016 8:06 PM  

Such a miniscule percentage should not be chewing away at the fabric of a nation like a termite

In the Pine Bush school scandal jews sued other jews to make taxpayers pay millions each, but when 19 elite firefighters died in the Midwest because of someone's error the families only got $50k each.

Jews have been facilitators of Muslim conquest and have fared far better under Muslim government than Christian government

Is that because they would rather be dimins than be bossed around by their harridans?

Nah, most evangelicals don't think Jews is God.

You know I meant that they need jews set off Armageddon. They can't get Jesus to come back if jews don't do their part.

Blogger kennymac May 19, 2016 8:37 PM  

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Anonymous Takin' a Look May 19, 2016 10:00 PM  

@ Grandpa Lampshade

As one of those fellow "anti-semites" who spews "da jooooooos! Da jooooooos"

I hate to say; "I told you so". (Sighs) if Kar'aism had won out. Jews would have had no pograms or Holocaust.

Our War is between the Dar-al-Islam and Christiandom. The Talmudics have screwed themselves so badly it is becoming obvious. Islam took vast swaths of Christendom in North Africa and destroyed the Zoroastrian East as well. Nothing but ruin remains. It's all "Younger Fill".

We are in a War with Saudi Barbaria Sunni Whabism. It will be bad, very bad.

Blogger tz May 19, 2016 10:24 PM  

Neo Connery? Any relation to the original Bond, Sean Connery?

Schoenberg: Cognitive Dissonance made audible.

@16 Asimov was secondary in "Nightfall", but a good read for preppers.

s/NAZI/AshkeNAZI/g

@55 - Virtual virtue: Jewish American Disney Princesses?

@61
hopefully America's national debt is also bound up with Israel
Bound up, or Shylocked-up? Usurer friendly interfaces.

Zirony.

@76 and antecedents - After the destruction of Jerusalem 70AD and rapes, the learned elders decided on Matrilinear determination (as we know who Jewish women are, but not the men, so what is the baby?). Jewish Girls apparently found some hiQ DNA - Neanderthals perhaps as Molyneux theorized. They got a big head.

@82 Universalism is good and true. But it must be applied evenly to be just, so the animalware must be quarantined and deleted.

"Israel would be a very useful ally in the great clash of Christian and Islamic civilizations" Whose ally? The socialist secular state, or the OT pre-Christian Torah! Torah! Torah! Israel?

@115 Temple? Shirley you jest - the good ship lollipop for suckers.


Blogger tz May 19, 2016 10:26 PM  

Eschatidiocy.
This is a problem with some in the prepper community (they should listen to Chuck Baldwin's sermons), and although Mormons generally reject "old Israel", Glenn Beck is the opposite.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 19, 2016 10:43 PM  

I've reluctantly reached the conclusion that Jews throughout modern history (at least), have been in influential positions to negatively affect Western Civilization. The so-called secular Jews (as opposed to Orthodox and the rest) have done the worst damage. They have generally been at the forefront of disastrous secular movements including communism, socialism, Bolshevism, egalitarianism, central banking, media, films, psychology, NGO's, neo-conservatism, progressivism, Frankfurt School, globalism, academia, etc. (this list is neither complete nor mutually exclusive). Many of these areas were essentially formulated to supplant God. Jews have been influential out of all proportion to their statistical portion of the general population (HBD and tribalism in action).

Leftist globalist Jews purport to be secular, all the while pummeling countries into some tikum olum God's-most-favored-people-to-guide-the-nations nirvana. They may have discarded God, but secular Jews are still brought up with the stories that they're God's chosen people, which sinks into their subconscious. Even if secular they deep-down believe that it's their moral mission to lead the rest of the world into their version of a perfect society. They've ostensibly eliminated God from their lives, but they haven't eliminated His covenant with the Jews. That conceit plus various pogroms and holocausts, provides them with an entitlement mentality to meddle in the affairs of other countries to their detriment, especially white Christian societies. Jews seek to create a Godless nirvana on earth by destroying any society that believes in Him.

Any Jew who does not formally renounce Israeli citizenship should not be given any position of influence in government, law, or academia. As to the rest, trust but verify. Does that make me a Nazi? Only if you're a leftist.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 19, 2016 11:34 PM  

tz wrote:Eschatidiocy.




Exactly. Many times I wonder what the history and beliefs of Christianity would have been like if there had never been any Book of Revelation The Apocalypse of John. I suspect Christianity would today be much more muscular and assertive, and certainly more assured of its rightful place on the planet. Meanwhile it is used as a crutch for the churchians, and a sop to the lukewarm to do nothing while the enemy closes in around them.

Anonymous mature-Craig May 20, 2016 12:02 AM  

re 119: (sorry if this is harsh) (viewer discretion advised)

I realized that I was blaming Jewish people for my laziness and my cowardice and by bad choices in life and my bad habits. I realized how pathetic I was and I stopped blaming them. They never did anything wrong to me, I messed up my own life and I blamed them, fortunately I was able to turn myself sround and start taking responsibility for myself before I was too far gone in my rabbithole of scapegoating and blaming others

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 12:41 AM  

@ mature-Craig

Your own self-recognized personal failings do not equal excuses for (((tribal))) antics.

All of us here (that includes you) are automatically Jew-haters because we NOTICE their orders of magnitude disproportionate power and influence on the global scale. They will happily destroy you just like me, either directly, or through shabbos goys.

Remember, according to their own census, there are 15 million Jews world-wide vs. 7 billion Goyim.

We goyim don't care or want to care about a weird desert tribe who finally have a homeland. We've got our own stuff to deal with. We've been -forced- to care and it is grating on our nerves.

Anonymous Steed May 20, 2016 12:42 AM  

``my granddaddy couldn`t join the golf club`` I heard someone this past week say that they were watching an old film on tv when it hit them: Donald Trump is Rodney Dangerfield in `Caddyshack`! How LOL in tru life when the shoe is on the other foot!

Anonymous mature craig May 20, 2016 12:47 AM  

Re takin a look. I been there and done that with your type of talk and I'm not going back to that way of thinking I guess I'll just avoid getting into discussions on this topic

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 20, 2016 1:51 AM  

@ Mature-Craig

I'm reading a lot about the "Younger Fill". I recall an old article where some Israelis talked about their reactions to Hamas destroying land reclamation projects. There was no "goyim help us, oy vey!". There was only sadness. These Jews committed themselves to planting thousands of acres of desert with trees, herbs, grasses, shrubs and fertilizing. They wanted to turn the desert green.

No...political BS, it was hard work undone in an instant. The interviews were raw. They had such dreams, for their NATION...

Anonymous Rona May 20, 2016 3:59 AM  

mature-Craig wrote:re 119: (sorry if this is harsh) (viewer discretion advised)

I realized that I was blaming Jewish people for my laziness and my cowardice and by bad choices in life and my bad habits. I realized how pathetic I was and I stopped blaming them. They never did anything wrong to me, I messed up my own life and I blamed them, fortunately I was able to turn myself around and start taking responsibility for myself before I was too far gone in my rabbithole of scapegoating and blaming others


Good for you for recognizing reality of you situation and deciding to improve yourself.

Takin' a Look wrote:@

We goyim don't care or want to care about a weird desert tribe who finally have a homeland. We've got our own stuff to deal with. We've been -forced- to care and it is grating on our nerves.



Yes, they should peacefully move to Israel and leave us alone. They have a homeland now where they can do as they please, Europeans want their homelands back, run by our own people. Those who are primarily European and can successfully assimilate completely into European nation can do so (in small numbers). And this means entirely. No synagogues, no Jewish organizations, no foreign contacts. The rest should be escorted to border and told "You have to go."

This is best for everyone, because if it comes down to a horrible choice of European destruction or Hitler 2.0, I have no doubt with whom I'll stand.

Rona

Anonymous mature craig May 22, 2016 11:38 PM  

Re 300: in 2010 I started reading anti-Semitic literature on the internet. But then by 2011 I concluded that They were mostly older bitter people blaming Jewish people and I got sick of it

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