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Thursday, May 26, 2016

The #MilRight is inevitable

Even Rod Dreher, among the cuckiest of cuckservatives, sees that civilization's hope rests upon the Alt Right.
Middle-class male culture, at least white male culture, doesn’t know how to nurture a healthy masculinity. The middle-class white American church certainly doesn’t. Eventually, the provocations of Social Justice Warriors, especially when they are race-based, is going to empower the militant whites, especially those drawn to pagan masculinity, and they are going to do what the rest of us would not do: Fight. This, because the best — that is, those who want peace, civility, and tolerance — lack all conviction to defend the conditions under which we can have those things against their enemies.

Trump is a vulgar, crass, alpha-male brute. But he doesn’t care what SJWs and liberals say about him. He fights, and sometimes fights as dirty as they do. That’s not nothing. White liberal middle-class society and many bourgeois conservatives have demonized within themselves, collectively and individually, the instinct that would have given them the strength to fight civilization’s enemies on the Left and on the Right.
Forget the cucks, forget the Churchians, forget the equalitarians, forget the Constitutionalists, forget the conservatives, forget the nice people, and forget the tolerant. They are worse than useless; they are the Sarumans who counsel submission and surrender due to their lack of courage and their fear of being called bad things.
The answer to this racist SJW garbage is not to embrace white supremacy! But without a forceful, effective, unambivalent response to the unhinged militant left, sooner or later the forces of white supremacy are going to organize the dispossessed, demoralized, chaotic white rabble, and the SJWs, as well as the Washington elites, aren’t going to know what hit them. God knows I’m not saying I want this to happen, but I think it probably will happen if we continue on this current trajectory. Slouching rough beasts and all that. It’s Weimar America.
The answer isn't white supremacy because white supremacy simply isn't true. Whites are not superior, but whites are the only tribe willing and able to maintain Western civilization because they are the only tribe that truly values it. The answer for those who support Western civilization, regardless of sex, color, or religion, is to embrace white tribalism, white separatism, and especially white Christian masculine rule.

Detroit is what happens when white rule is abandoned. The migrant invasion of Europe is what happens when masculine rule is abandoned. And the EU is what happens when Christian rule is abandoned.

The other tribes have been playing "who, whom" for decades. It is time for whites to understand that the rules have changed and begin playing accordingly.

But don't get too carried away by Dreher's post. He's still a cuck. "I would much rather my kids marry Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians than marry fellow white people who aren’t. I really mean that."

I believe he does. And that's why he is still a dyscivilizationist.

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Anonymous Icicle May 26, 2016 4:02 AM  

We will rebuild. Stronger. Faster. Better.

Blogger Phillip George May 26, 2016 4:20 AM  

George Washington was fresh from a battle and said, and I can't quote him verbatim, but I read them at Mount Vernon, "whatever we do here, unless God is with us, we will fail" In 17th century prose it was more eloquent, not less direct.
Having guns is useless unless you have targets. Having targets is useless without co-ordinated tactical and strategic goals. First wake the sleeping?

a mathematician has just written an interesting short article that the church had, exactly 724,621 days. If he's right, he's right

Anonymous Ellipsis Lacuna May 26, 2016 4:30 AM  

Individually, we are weak and fragile and easily breakable, like whatever they call a little stick that gets thrown into the fire. United and tied together, we are strong and undefeatable, like whatever it is they call a big bundle of sticks tied together.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 26, 2016 4:32 AM  

those who want peace, civility, and tolerance

I want peace, civility and tolerance. Just maybe I have different definitions of those words than Dreher.

I'm for the peace that comes when thugs and bullies are afraid to mug decent people. I'm for the civility that comes with civilization. And I'm for the sort of tolerance that says I don't mind you disagreeing with me as long as you don't mind me disagreeing with you.

We had all of those things once. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the alt-right that threw them away.

Anonymous Bobby Farr May 26, 2016 4:35 AM  

It is admirable that he admits to being a cuck - too gutless and weak to defend his culture. He is to the right of most of the GOPe simple by lamenting the progress of leftists rather than supporting it.

But the rest of his article is just the barely coherent whining of an old woman. "Trump is so uncouth but you leftists are gonna get it from him and the alt right if you don't stop being meanies." I guess his point is that he will sit back and claim moral superiority while SJWs and the alt right fight it out. Again, he is better than the GOPe if he sits out rather than helping the SJWs but the article should have simply concluded with him admitting he has no legitimacy to express a view on the conflict because of his cowardice.

Blogger Ron May 26, 2016 4:36 AM  

@Ellipsis Lacuna

Amusingly, the word you are looking for is "faggot". But, yeah.

Brings a new meaning to the phrase "dangerous faggot tour".

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 26, 2016 4:50 AM  

Icicle wrote:We will rebuild. Stronger. Faster. Better.
You do realize that the character with that line was Oscar Goldman?

Reading De Vauban's "Siegecraft and Fortification", one of the things which strikes the modern reader is the use of terms like "gabions" and "fagots".  They were essential tools from the early days of cannon (which made vertical walls militarily useless) through the trench warfare of WWI.  That may be worth re-visiting.

Anonymous TS May 26, 2016 4:54 AM  

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity." Yeats - The Second Coming

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 26, 2016 5:07 AM  

Dreher and ilk should sue beg the left for mercy

Blogger szopen May 26, 2016 5:09 AM  

UE was originally very christian idea. Even the flag of UE is based on christian motives.

Anonymous Nxx May 26, 2016 5:26 AM  

"I would much rather my kids marry Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians than marry fellow white people who aren’t. I really mean that."

I believe he does.


During the Cold War you could talk to a Warsaw Pact apparatchik for days without them ever giving so much as a hint that they weren't total communists.

And then the Berlin wall fell and guess what? It turned out that 99% of them didn't believe a word of it.

So what does Rod Dreher really believe?

In the current context where expressing the wrong opinion can and will result in economic persecution there is simply no way to know.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 5:28 AM  

UE was originally very christian idea. Even the flag of UE is based on christian motives.

It was originally a free market too. It's not now.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 26, 2016 5:30 AM  

Western Civ is dead

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 5:38 AM  

Western Civ is dead

No, it's not. The situation has been more dire before. I do not permit the counsel of despair here, so either leave or keep your despair to yourself.

Blogger Phillip George May 26, 2016 5:47 AM  

RE: a United Europe? szopen
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection , that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation."
I don't know if that's an honest quote! Did Washington write united with or without a capital letter. Was it a proper compound noun or a modifying adjective? It makes a difference. Same with "state" - was it state or State?

But why quote this? Christians failed to own America for God's sake! [see our above] As custodians what did they do? They surrendered it to fools. You cannot have the Common Law without commonality. You cannot have the blessing without the seeking. Guns are as useless in a supersonic ordinance equipped drone fight as temporal flesh in hyper-dimensional space.

Yet Solzhenitsyn recommended randomly taking out brown shirts knocking on doors/ where the border of a home had been crossed. "resist the devil" stuffing....

Anonymous Bobby Farr May 26, 2016 5:47 AM  

@11 As he is admittedly spineless, it doesn't matter what he believes. He will fall behind whoever emerges as the strong man, whether SJWs or the alt right. Maybe he will mumble some misgivings if he really gets worked up.

Blogger Reinhard Lohengramm May 26, 2016 5:49 AM  

Saruman = cuckservative: perfect. This post has transformed how I see/read LOTR forever.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 6:10 AM  

This is my site, Mr.MantraMan. You do not argue with me when I tell you what is and what is not acceptable.

I deleted your attempt to defend your despair. The next time, your comment will be spammed.

Blogger Lovekraft May 26, 2016 6:13 AM  

There are only two people in this fight: those who want to turn to the The Light, and those who wish to corrupt it in order to serve the master of this world.

The rest of the sleepwalking sheep are going to find their safe little neighborhoods are fragile and will eventually have to pick a side.

Blogger Lovekraft May 26, 2016 6:15 AM  

Trump is proposing to 1. screen TSA agents for their jihad tendencies. An oath with serious repercussions should it be broken, and

2. overhaul secondary education in a way that will drain the swamp of 'liberal' degrees (see JudgyBitch blog for more details).

Going to be interesting to see the marxists get desperate to retain their fluff.

Blogger Josh May 26, 2016 6:16 AM  

Vox, have you read any of Dreher's Benedict Option posts?

OpenID simplytimothy May 26, 2016 6:16 AM  

Icicle wrote:We will rebuild. Stronger. Faster. Better.

Stronger. Faster. Better. Wiser.


VD wrote:Western Civ is dead

I do not permit the counsel of despair here...


+1

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Oh please the west is a corporate oligarchy that uses a few of the old buildings and has use for some of remnant population, pointing that out is not despair.

They are not us. They will fall. We will co-opt them, evict them, change them or kill them.


Blogger Lovekraft May 26, 2016 6:19 AM  

#10 Szopen: "UE was originally very christian idea. Even the flag of UE is based on christian motives."

"Was" based on I think you mean.

I remember sometime around 7 years ago the EU had the vote on whether to make Christianity part of its foundation. It was rejected. Soon afterwards, Italy was forced to remove crucifixes from their schools.

Blogger Bob Loblaw May 26, 2016 6:20 AM  

Western Civ is dead

At the very least it will live on in Eastern Europe. Russia, too, to the extent you consider Russia part of The West. I'm ready to concede things don't look good in the UK or Germany, but the rest of Europe is in the process of throwing off the PC yoke and will survive if they get on with it.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 6:33 AM  

Vox, have you read any of Dreher's Benedict Option posts?

A few. It's a Churchian attempt to avoid a conflict that is unavoidable. Basically, it means that he sees what is happening, but he is unwilling to fight because that would mean dirtying his lily-white hands.

I understand the temptation. I really do. But it's a) cowardly and b) futile.

Anonymous Healthy Skeptic May 26, 2016 6:47 AM  

VD:

But don't get too carried away by Dreher's post. He's still a cuck. "I would much rather my kids marry Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians than marry fellow white people who aren’t. I really mean that."

I believe he does. And that's why he is still a dyscivilizationist.


You're a Christian, right? From where in the NT do you get that your position on this matter is superior to Dreher's?

Blogger Ahazuerus May 26, 2016 6:49 AM  

The EU has been an anti-Christian project from its inception

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 26, 2016 6:52 AM  

FTR and Dreher has written about them he has mental health issues, depression I believe. He should put down the pen and leave politics for his and family's sake. I could only imagine the effects of the propaganda of "sexist, racist and homophobic" on someone with a tendency towards depression, horrible

Blogger Phillip George May 26, 2016 6:56 AM  

https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/mpp/home

this is not so peripheral but when I go to this page it has two men holding hands going on a picnic. [what is it doing in your jurisdiction?] the young girl is obviously their daughter. And not a womb in sight. Now, in terms of shooting that image is a target. The problem isn't the actors. It's the cameraman. He wanted the record of what he was witnessing and wanted it for money. Facilitators are worse than authors. Enabling a delusion is worse than having conceived it.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 26, 2016 6:58 AM  

"I would much rather my kids marry Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians than marry fellow white people who aren’t. I really mean that."

I believe he does. And that's why he is still a dyscivilizationist.



Vox, as I said before in your post, "Immigration, feminism, and dyscivilization," There is only one thing that can truly transcend racial differences--particularly when it comes to a mixed relationship. And that is the Universalism of God Almighty. With the backing of your Creator, you will successfully achieve Pentecost. Without God, as is usually the case, you get to deal with tribalism.

If a man and a woman from two different races are able to truly unite as a married pair, successfully raise children, and get to Heaven together, then that is very worthwhile. Raising good people is more important than the temporal Team Tribe game we're getting ready to play here on Earth.

However, that being said--and this is a very important point--not too many folks try for that sort of thing when it comes to interracial marriage. I am, of course, not talking about mudsharks or other Caucasians you find at a local Walmart who are "going tribal" and muddying themselves up to fit in with the darkies.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 26, 2016 7:01 AM  

I see Ace has finally worked his way through the Stages of Grief. Good. Now it's time to get a few others past the Denial.

Either HRC or DJT are going to be the next POTUS. There is no third option called, Virtuously Sitting This One Out.

so we're going to go with THAT? The lunatic who believes every crime she commits is justified by the enemies out to get her?

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it does worry me. as it worries me that hillary has carried around an Enemies List for 40 years. Does that worry you?

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the drunk paranoid rage-beast Hillary is, to your way of thinking, a safer psychological bet?

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God I admire your courage to plainly stand up for your own virtue

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it's still true -- but it's this or the woman who threw a video maker in jail to cover up her ineptitude in Libya @jeffdobbs @AdamBaldwin

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"They fled from reality and called themselves courageous for having done so." -- some awesome line I just wrote

Blogger YIH May 26, 2016 7:10 AM  

Yeah he's still The American Cuckservative:
There are constructive forms of masculinity, and destructive forms of masculinity. Giving oneself over to gun violence and fathering children that you won’t care for is a destructive form.
He still believes that Africans can and will eventually embrace what they openly disdain as ''acting White'' and not what they are is merely acting just as they do in their natural habitat.
In his own words (from another recent post):
Note well, though: anybody who uses the word “cuckservative” or its variation is not going to see their comment posted. Whatever you say, say it thoughtfully, in the spirit of civil exchange.
[BTW, that's the first time I've seen that word there]
UPDATE: I would add one more thing. An Alt-Rightist is someone who is post-Christian, if was Christian in the first place. This accounts for the racism and anti-Semitism you see in those circles. It’s not that no Christian has ever been racist or anti-Semitic before (alas). It’s that no Christian worthy of the name can be racist after slavery and Jim Crow, and no Christian worthy of the name can be anti-Semitic after Auschwitz. Ignorance is no longer an excuse, if it ever was. And no Christian principles can be appealed to as a counter to Alt-Right beliefs, because they by and large reject them. Of course I have strong Christian moral beliefs about these matters, but I also think they are true as a matter of sociological observation. Hence the saying, “If you don’t like the Religious Right, just wait till you see the Post-Religious Right.”

He believes that ''Jim Crow'' was nothing but a horror show and had no benefit whatsoever to either Whites or Africans.
And of course he fully buys into ''Holocaustianity'':
IOW (whiny voice): ''Because the Notsees were so mean to the jews and turned 6 million of them into lampshades and soap they can do absolutely no wrong!''
If you're wondering, yes, Rod Dreher was a NR regular. Birds of a feather and all that.

OpenID paworldandtimes May 26, 2016 7:18 AM  

If a man and a woman from two different races are able to truly unite as a married pair, successfully raise children, and get to Heaven together, then that is very worthwhile.

Meh. Not the part about Heaven but the general tone of exultation with destroying the God-created races.

PA

Blogger Stilicho May 26, 2016 7:19 AM  

Oh east is is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet,
Unless it be under the tsarist whip at the end of a defeat...

...to stand and be still for Marshal Winter's drill was damned tough bullet to chew,
But their enemies died and still they abide, khan and kaiser too!


With apologies to brother Rudyard, etc.

Blogger Josh May 26, 2016 7:23 AM  

YIH May 26, 2016 7:10 AM
Yeah he's still The American Cuckservative:


In short, when you have a writer who is sympathetic to many alt right concerns, the best response is to denounce him because of his views on Jim Crow and the holocaust?

It's a bold strategy, Cotton.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 26, 2016 7:25 AM  

"If a man and a woman from two different races are able to truly unite as a married pair, successfully raise children, and get to Heaven together, then that is very worthwhile."

Meh. Not the part about Heaven but the general tone of exultation with destroying the God-created races.

PA



I would argue that such incidents are rather rare, and that the homogeneity of a particular ethnicity is not threatened by these occasions. Even Vox, himself, has admitted that controlled interbreeding into a particular group poses no threat.

About the Heaven part: it is the ultimate goal. By having good children who grow up to be saintly adults, we have a chance of populating Heaven. This is worthwhile. Not to mention the fact that life in this world is improved by good people.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 7:32 AM  


I would argue that such incidents are rather rare, and that the homogeneity of a particular ethnicity is not threatened by these occasions. Even Vox, himself, has admitted that controlled interbreeding into a particular group poses no threat.


In ordinary historical circumstances, yes. In an culture where miscegenation propaganda is being relentlessly pushed on the masses, it is a significant threat.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 26, 2016 7:38 AM  

I believe he does. And that's why he is still a dyscivilizationist.

Wait... what? WHAT? So Dreher finding his faith to be of higher sort priority than his race is being a cuck now? Even though the Bible admonishes, "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" I mean the entire point of the Bible is that God is more important than... anything. So who else is dyscivilizationist? Rahab? The Good Samaritan? Paul of Tarsus? Is this your way of just announcing your conversion to a faith of blood and soil?

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 7:42 AM  

Dreher finding his faith to be of higher sort priority than his race is being a cuck now

If Dreher was preaching Christian theocracy, one might take him seriously. But he is not. Dreher's faith is the religion of Babel.

I mean the entire point of the Bible is that God is more important than... anything.

You're a fucking moron. Spare us the histrionics. The Bible teaches that it is best not to marry. Dreher's position is obviously not based on the Bible, but rather, worldly principles.

Blogger YIH May 26, 2016 7:44 AM  

Josh wrote:YIH May 26, 2016 7:10 AM

Yeah he's still The American Cuckservative:


In short, when you have a writer who is sympathetic to many alt right concerns, the best response is to denounce him because of his views on Jim Crow and the holocaust?

It's a bold strategy, Cotton.

Not quite. He's trying to figure out ''why Trump'' and ''why Alt-Right'' not because he's sympathetic, just the opposite, how to counter it - in a loving, churchian way.
I've been a regular reader of him since about '07. What you see there is typical of him, even before the 'cuckservative' meme, the term ''liberal Christian'' fits him like a glove.

Blogger Ron May 26, 2016 7:50 AM  

@VD

In ordinary historical circumstances, yes. In an culture where miscegenation propaganda is being relentlessly pushed on the masses, it is a significant threat.

I remember you dealt with an aspect of this problem in your book Throne of Bones. At the time I thought you were simply bringing the Roman problem of integrating the various Italian tribes to the fantasy world. Now I see you were gaming out the current world scenario with the ancient problems dealt with in the past.

It was a hard book for me to read. I was very angry with all the characters, even the ones doing what had to be done.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 7:54 AM  

" The Bible teaches that it is best not to marry."

oh great... now you've wrecked the thread...

Anonymous Anonymous May 26, 2016 7:55 AM  

The word Facis is also and perhaps more appropriate

Blogger Tom May 26, 2016 7:55 AM  

Vox, are you saying that the propaganda value of Christian interracial couples against Western Civilization isn't worth following the Bible's command about not intentionally entering into relationships with unbelievers?

Because the fellow in question said he'd rather have his child marry a black African Christian than marry a white non-Christian, not that his first pick overall options was for his kids to marry black African Christians (though I bet it might well be).

Anonymous Scintan May 26, 2016 7:57 AM  

UPDATE: I would add one more thing. An Alt-Rightist is someone who is post-Christian, if was Christian in the first place. This accounts for the racism and anti-Semitism you see in those circles. It’s not that no Christian has ever been racist or anti-Semitic before (alas). It’s that no Christian worthy of the name can be racist after slavery and Jim Crow, and no Christian worthy of the name can be anti-Semitic after Auschwitz.

Impressively ridiculous passage

Anonymous Chad May 26, 2016 8:00 AM  

I was just at a conference where Dreher was one of the speakers. He sees the value of setting closer, local ties to a village or community over that of the beast that is our current government. He isn't for setting up secluded area more than the community/family believes necessary to raise saints.

However, he has an irrational desire to appeal to, and include, all walks of life and ways of thinking. Of making his ideas work for all Christian sects. I got the impression he abhors the idea of having to keep people out, yet how else does he think such a place would come to exist?

Its odd. But it seems he wants the goods, but doesn't want to make hard choices to make it happen. But, as stated above by others, I did get the impression he would stand out of the way of others making it happen

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler May 26, 2016 8:04 AM  

The problem is that we do NOT live in Western Civilization or in Western culture. Modern Republicanism ended Western Civilization; Modern Republicanism, which America is which fueled the French Revolution, was a conspiracy to destroy Throne and Altar which is Western Civilization.

Hegel, a Kabbalist, ended Western Culture.

What rules and runs the West is Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism.
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism and PeeCee is throughout all of the West and its diaspora.

The Persian War, the War between the East and the West is still ongoing. Throne and Altar, as I have been saying for the longest time is Western Civilization but everybody here rejects that---so, I don't know what "Civilization" is being promoted here. The Enlightenment was NOT Western Civilization or Culture.

Anonymous Bobby Farr May 26, 2016 8:06 AM  

No wonder the right wing has been steamrolled in the US for the last 50 years. The entire right wing establishment seems to consist of neocons and Churchians - basically people who accept every premise of the left but cloak it in the rhetoric of patriotism or Christianity instead of Marxism and hatred of white men.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 8:10 AM  


" It’s that no Christian worthy of the name can be racist after slavery and Jim Crow, and no Christian worthy of the name can be anti-Semitic after Auschwitz."

And here ladies and gentlemen we see White Guilt... thriving in its natural habitat... note how it renders an otherwise intelligent male completely incoherent.

Anonymous Jim Scrummy May 26, 2016 8:12 AM  

Dreher lost me years ago. Cuckies are gonna cuck, that's what they do.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 26, 2016 8:15 AM  

@3 Ellipsis Lacuna...
That bundle of sticks is called fasces.. and you are correct, it is a righteous symbol.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 8:19 AM  

Vox, are you saying that the propaganda value of Christian interracial couples against Western Civilization isn't worth following the Bible's command about not intentionally entering into relationships with unbelievers?

If you're going to begin a statement with "are you saying" or "it seems you are saying", then I am going to ignore you. Read what I wrote. That is what I said.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 8:20 AM  

It was a hard book for me to read. I was very angry with all the characters, even the ones doing what had to be done.

Just wait until A Sea of Skulls.

Anonymous Mike May 26, 2016 8:23 AM  

But don't get too carried away by Dreher's post. He's still a cuck. "I would much rather my kids marry Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians than marry fellow white people who aren’t. I really mean that."

I believe he does. And that's why he is still a dyscivilizationist.


I think this issue depends on certain contexts. For his sons this may not be a bad way to go. If his sons face the choice between marrying a closet SJW white girl or a pretty (by our standards), religious Ethiopian Christian girl, the latter would be far less of an issue. His daughters, on the other hand, don't face the same hurdle of finding a decent spouse. Much of what they have to do is show charity and not blow up their marriage.

OpenID boardroomal May 26, 2016 8:25 AM  

Clever SJW's back in 30s' and 40's began to systematically attack University system and Christian Churches at the same time...both institutions made valiant attempts to stop it...The Great Books Program which was launched by Van Doren and Mortimer Adler and many others..to refamiliarize western students with their Judeo-Christian Grecko Roman Roots and push back the marxists...aquinas, aristotle where to be put back in their proper place....it failed and was later lamented by Closing of the American Mind's Alan Bloom who also was in the fight as a young man....in the Christian world SJW marxists went on full attack...destroyed mainline denominations starting with the Lambeth Conference by focusing on feminism and human sexuality....and then successfully penetrated the Vatican with the culmination of Vatican 2...lead by modernists, influenced by Jesuits who also owned the universities..

Those were major wins by SJW's

Now the average Christian man is taught that not only is his masculinity wrong, but that to identify with it and to project it into his life, family or church is a moral "Evil"and that the God of Isaac will punish him with eternal damnation if he does. This is pounded into men by a harem of feminists pupeteers, a large stupid group think hen house of idiot clucking women with mindless parrotting the feminist positions and emotionalism in their administrative and church council roles...and gay and effeminate "Men of the Cloth" who rape boys..and mince around the pulpits. This is what a man who wants to publicly worship his creator has to put up with in every Church

This is how bad it has gotten in Christianity...especially Catholicism which is only standing because the structures and beams that the early church father's built who had vision, with God's grace make it almost impossible to bring the damn thing down. Pope Francis is working overtime but it must frustrate the old peronist.

If the Churchian Cucks woke from their Ent-Like slumber to join the fray....game over for the sjw's, globalists, Marxists and Barbarian hordes.

If they finally wake up......well...Shock and Awe....but these guys are cucked...

Blogger Phillip George May 26, 2016 8:28 AM  

Lindsay Wheeler, God has never been deposed. Despite legal fictions common law remains, it's just obscured.
Anyway, look up. God was never, is never, successfully mocked.
check out the greg wilson's little essay on 724,621 days. The West is alive and well because "we" are the absolute evidence of it. Even last men standing. Numbers don't count when you always have an absolute and overwhelming majority.

I'm a majority of One.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 8:32 AM  

The fact that Christianity can and will survive another Dark Age does not make another Dark Age desirable.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 8:36 AM  

"The fact that Christianity can and will survive another Dark Age does not make another Dark Age desirable."

its like you're actively trying to derail your own thread. Why don't you just throw out a gun question and be done with it?

Blogger Dirtnapninja May 26, 2016 8:40 AM  

Bobby Farr wrote:No wonder the right wing has been steamrolled in the US for the last 50 years. The entire right wing establishment seems to consist of neocons and Churchians - basically people who accept every premise of the left but cloak it in the rhetoric of patriotism or Christianity instead of Marxism and hatred of white men.

The problem is that the established right still seeks "respectability". But the left controls what respectability was. So the right is fighting battles on terms set by the left.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 8:40 AM  

The dark age only comes if we lose... or if we refuse to fight.

OpenID paworldandtimes May 26, 2016 8:45 AM  

think this issue depends on certain contexts. For his sons this may not be a bad way to go. If his sons face the choice between marrying a closet SJW white girl or a pretty (by our standards), religious Ethiopian Christian girl, the latter would be far less of an issue.

His half-Ethiopian sons would still look like east Africans and would rightly face resistance marrying back into White society.

PA

Blogger YIH May 26, 2016 8:47 AM  

Chad wrote:I was just at a conference where Dreher was one of the speakers. He sees the value of setting closer, local ties to a village or community over that of the beast that is our current government. He isn't for setting up secluded area more than the community/family believes necessary to raise saints.

However, he has an irrational desire to appeal to, and include, all walks of life and ways of thinking. Of making his ideas work for all Christian sects. I got the impression he abhors the idea of having to keep people out, yet how else does he think such a place would come to exist?

Its odd. But it seems he wants the goods, but doesn't want to make hard choices to make it happen. But, as stated above by others, I did get the impression he would stand out of the way of others making it happen

Like Vox, I too have read some of his ''Benedict Option'' posts. They're rambling and incoherent.
I suspect that's partially due to the fact that he's writing it as a book and he doesn't want ''to just give away his book'' on his blog.
The closest to IRL ''Benedict Option'' communities that currently exist are the Amish and Orthodox Jewish enclaves, and to a lesser degree, Mormons.
Rod's vision seems to be a ''Benedict Option'' community merged with a Coca-Cola commercial.
The Tower of Babel can't be reconciled with a stable community let alone anything recognizable as Christianity.
Note how others have pointed out:
"I would much rather my kids marry Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians than marry fellow white people who aren’t. I really mean that."
First off, what you might not know about Dreher is a few years ago he left Catholicism over the abuse scandal. One of the reasons I still read him, he at least understands that it absolutely destroys any credibility the Catholic Church has on speaking to moral issues (how can they talk about sexual fidelity or chastity for the clergy when those same clergy are molesting/raping children then 'sweeping it under the rug').
So he and his family converted to Eastern (AKA Russian) Orthodox several years ago. So when he says ''Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians'' the question has to be asked; How many of those actually even exist?
He has written several times about how his Orthodox parish in Louisiana is struggling to even exist.
I suspect his ''Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians'' is actually a strawman. As in ''well if the African has the same choice of faith as me, great!''
He might not be so sanguine if his daughter brings home a dindu - even if it's some form of Christian.
Such as a less high profile version of Reverend Wright/Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton for example.

Anonymous Churchian May 26, 2016 8:48 AM  

Liberalism = Christianity

Anonymous VFMUltra May 26, 2016 8:51 AM  

Let's do this.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 26, 2016 8:51 AM  

I'm sick of this crap about "supremacists." I like my culture. I like my civilization (Western.)

I like lots of things...and you BET I think they're superior. Chauvinism isn't bad, it is the RULE, everywhere. Everyone thinks they're superior (right or wrong.)

So yes, me and mine are superior. I'm a "My Family" supremacist. To everyone else, I say, get over it. Leave us alone. And if you insist on putting your grubby hands into our stuff (as is the case and getting worse), our militancy is on you.

Blogger lowercaseb May 26, 2016 8:52 AM  

Eric the Red wrote:@3 Ellipsis Lacuna...

That bundle of sticks is called fasces.. and you are correct, it is a righteous symbol.


Heh! Of course, the Viking would unfasten the binds that hold those Italian sticks together to get at the perfectly good axe at the center of it.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 26, 2016 8:56 AM  

@45
The Persian War, the War between the East and the West is still ongoing. Throne and Altar, as I have been saying for the longest time is Western Civilization but everybody here rejects that---so, I don't know what "Civilization" is being promoted here. The Enlightenment was NOT Western Civilization or Culture.

It is not rejected by everybody. There is truth in this that must be digested. You must learn patience.

Anonymous Scintan May 26, 2016 8:57 AM  

(how can they talk about sexual fidelity or chastity for the clergy when those same clergy are molesting/raping children then 'sweeping it under the rug')

Unless your next argument is that the Catholic clergy is 100% infested (in which case we need to question your motives and your sanity), the answer to that is an easy one to see.

Blogger Phillip George May 26, 2016 8:58 AM  

Read Exodus again Nate. It was only dark in Egyptian homes. Semmelweis, the handwashing doctor, was right, do numbers matter? I am Western Civilization. You know, we play quoits and have cucumber sandwiches. No-one anywhere, has been able to emulate the Royal Society. Why, because the redeeming, unchanging, eternal, absolute truth mattered to them, and they were humble enough to pursue it as mortal men in fear of God. This is civilization.

Anonymous Mike May 26, 2016 8:59 AM  

His half-Ethiopian sons would still look like east Africans and would rightly face resistance marrying back into White society.

Or they could look more Mediterranean than East African depending on how the genes manifest.

And if the father were to marry some irreligious, white slut it might be a moot point anyway as half of "his" kids might be someone else's kids.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 26, 2016 9:01 AM  

It's a Churchian attempt to avoid a conflict that is unavoidable.

Yeah, he wants to set up enclaves, communities of Christians who are going to separate themselves from society and try to preserve Christian culture.

If the SJWs win, that will not be allowed.

A few years ago I read an article online (NatGeo site I think) about an Amish like sect. The comments on the article from SJWs were seething. The general consensus was that the women in the sect were being brain-washed and oppressed and something needed to be done to liberate them.

SJWs have total certainty that they are correct in all matters and that allowing any other viewpoint to exist is complicity in evil while simultaneously believing that their is no objective truth.

You cannot coexist with people like that. That is why, as Vox says, conflict is inevitable.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 26, 2016 9:02 AM  

@55 The fact that Christianity can and will survive another Dark Age does not make another Dark Age desirable.

True. But hard times are The Golden Path. Prosperity is decadence, degeneracy, and decay.

Whites and Christians both are headed towards The Golden Path.

Blogger dvdivx May 26, 2016 9:08 AM  

Mudsharking and a lack of white babies will destroy the white race before most of them wake up. It will just be Rhodesia 2.0. Most whites are to asleep to see the target on their back.

Blogger Gaiseric May 26, 2016 9:09 AM  

Tom wrote:Vox, are you saying that the propaganda value of Christian interracial couples against Western Civilization isn't worth following the Bible's command about not intentionally entering into relationships with unbelievers?

Because the fellow in question said he'd rather have his child marry a black African Christian than marry a white non-Christian, not that his first pick overall options was for his kids to marry black African Christians (though I bet it might well be).

The foolishness of that statement was making it a false binary to begin with. Who cares which he'd rather have? Teach your kids the folly of both options.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 26, 2016 9:10 AM  

Western Civ is in the genes. It survives as long as there is a breeding population of those who are genetically predisposed to produce it.

H.G. Wells, despite being a socialist idiot (or do I repeat myself) got things half-right in The Time Machine.

In reality, the Morlocks are the beautiful, intelligent machine-builders. The Eloi are the fat, ugly, stupid people who can't so much as feed themselves.

I'm happier when I ignore the big picture (which will follow its own sine-wave curve no matter what I do) and concentrate on making MY FAMILY stronger. My grandchildren will know, as did my kids, that they have a responsibility to our clan to be better than those who surround them. As long as we Morlocks move Heaven and Earth to marry and make babies with other Morlocks, this all will eventually sort out in our favor.

The Equals Temple is mixing its own Cherry KoolAid and no individual will survive if they attempt to force my descendants to drink.

OpenID paworldandtimes May 26, 2016 9:12 AM  

Or they could look more Mediterranean than East African depending on how the genes manifest.

No.

And if the father were to marry some irreligious, white slut it might be a moot point anyway as half of "his" kids might be someone else's kids.

Logic fail.

What's the impulse behind all this mixing apologia?

PA

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 9:12 AM  

Post Religious Right captures it.
Just like BC became BCE, reducing Christendom to the "Common Era", Christendom is now reduced to "Western Civilization".

This is like trying to restore a car in a post-gasoline era.

The alt-Right rejects the cross and the Bible as much as it does SJWs. At best they like what Paul wrote about marriage but must think him a wimp. They do not wish to appeal to God like the Founding Fathers did. The SJWs call silly things sinful, but the alt-right rejects the concept of sin.

A commenter there said it was Nietzscheian. I think that is the religion of the alt-Right, though they either haven't noticed or don't want to admit it.

The Nietzsche-Pagan civilization won't be Christendom, nor have the same fruits of Christendom. And it is an open question if such can defeat the Caliphate. Roman and Norse paganism fell to Christendom. Christendom reconquered Europe from Islam, and even Jerusalem for a while.

In the article, he mentions Orthodoxy and a hymn. Catholics have the equivalent in the eastern rite and the Latin (extraordinary form) Mass. They are masculine.

Masculine Christianity exists and is thriving, but in isolated areas. It is the baptized version, the believing version of the alt-right.

A tribe is not a cult, and tribalism is not culture. At least Islamist believe in something higher than themselves. The left just wants pleasure, the alt-right strength.

The fighting has begun, and as has been mentioned, a suicide vest can kill many and requires little physical strength. That will be the test - the cross. Embracing death with purpose as Islam does. That is the Gospel. Nihilism can only embrace it as the final rejection of life and hope.

The culture of death can be on the right - is on the right - as much as the left. And it always embraces suicide.

Anonymous Mike May 26, 2016 9:14 AM  

#59

I am generally not an advocate of interracial relationships, but I think it is foolish to rule them out. In the example that Dreher uses, there is some wisdom in preferring the religious Ethiopian to the pagan white. The souls of the children matter. If the only choices you realistically faced were your children marrying an Ethiopian who fears God, believes in gender roles and all that and a pagan white who does not, former is a far less destructive choice.

There is of course the option of not marrying at all, but most people won't go that route. They also won't allow their children facing that dichotomy to make that choice without being badgered halfway into insanity.

Marrying a good white girl is a difficult thing today. What I found most shocking about the treatment of Anna Duggar was that some of her most vicious critics were "good, conservative women." Like that woman who got tons of support from evangelical women for saying that she'd never want her daughters to be like Duggar, but to "breathe fire."

Anonymous Mike May 26, 2016 9:18 AM  

Or they could look more Mediterranean than East African depending on how the genes manifest.

No.


Ethiopians are a quasi-semitic black variant so it is possible.

Logic fail.

What's the impulse behind all this mixing apologia?


There are eternal consequences for a man if he marries a pagan woman and his children are lead astray because of that. If a man's choices are to marry a pagan of his race or a Christian of another, God will not have mercy on his soul if he chooses the former and his household falls apart and is lead from the Church.

Hell fire for his children because his wife lead them into paganism should be a more pressing concern than racial purity in that scenario.

Blogger Viisaus May 26, 2016 9:22 AM  

If we want to get truly theologically correct, then from orthodox EO perspective, the Ethiopians are Monophysites who reject the ecumenical council of Chalcedon. Heretics.

Blogger John Wright May 26, 2016 9:24 AM  

It's the Christianity, not the whiteness, that makes Western Civilization worthwhile. Likewise, it is their Leftwingishness, not their Judaism that makes self-loathing Leftwing Jews so vile. Even the immigration problem didn't become an invasion until after the West abandonned belief in Christ.

Please don't mistake incide tals for essentials

Blogger Viisaus May 26, 2016 9:29 AM  

So those Western EO converts who gush over "Orthodox Ethiopians" are merely revealing their own rube-like ignorance ("all them exotic Orthodox folks look alike to me!"). This is how non-PC, old-school militant EO polemicists see them:

http://trueorthodoxy.org/heretics_monophysites_union.shtml

"CHAPTER 5

ONLY HERETICS CONSIDER THE MONOPHYSITES AS ORTHODOX!

One who is truly Orthodox is obligated to respect and to follow the Faith of the holy Fathers. The Faith of the holy Fathers was stated infallibly in the Synods. Whoever refuses to accept the Faith of these holy Synods is not Orthodox, but a heretic, and is according to blessed Theodosios (Bishop of Canathis) anathematized. “If someone,” he says, “does not accept the holy Synods as they do the four Gospels, let him be anathema!”

Through this theological dialogue the New-Calendarists have accepted that the Monophysites are Orthodox, thereby invalidating decisions of Ecumenical Synods."

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 9:29 AM  

It's the Christianity, not the whiteness, that makes Western Civilization worthwhile. Likewise, it is their Leftwingishness, not their Judaism that makes self-loathing Leftwing Jews so vile. Even the immigration problem didn't become an invasion until after the West abandonned belief in Christ.

Please don't mistake incidentals for essentials


Whiteness is not incidental. It is an intrinsic part of Western Civilization. You cannot have it without Christianity. And you cannot have it without white people.

There are hundreds of millions of Chinese Christians. They will NEVER build or maintain Western civilization. There are hundreds of millions of African Christians. They will NEVER build or maintain Western civilization.

Western civilization is intrinsically European.

I find it ironic that I am frequently having to explain the importance of Christianity to the white nationalists and the importance of white nationalism to the Christians.

Notice how Western civilization spread to Australia and America with a) Christianity and b) white people. Notice how it has not survived the disappearance of white people from Detroit.

Anonymous DiscipleofSheiko May 26, 2016 9:30 AM  

>Masculine Christianity exists and is thriving, but in isolated areas.

Maybe. But how does it compare to the Wolves of Vinland? The Sons of Odin?

Blogger ZhukovG May 26, 2016 9:31 AM  

This argument is silly.

My children shall wed within their civilization AND within the Faith or they shall not have my blessing. That is all there is to it.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 9:32 AM  

The alt-Right rejects the cross and the Bible as much as it does SJWs.

You are speaking falsehoods. I am not merely Alt-Right, but according to some, an Alt-Right figurehead. And I not only do not reject the Cross or the Bible, but I maintain they are absolutely vital in the struggle to preserve Western civilization.

Blogger Stilicho May 26, 2016 9:32 AM  

@Josh, Dreher and his fellow travelers have successfully read the alt right, mil right, constitutional right, libertarian right, religious right, etc. out of "conservatism" as defined by the GOPe. Now Dreher would do the same with Christianity, reading out anyone with whom he disagrees politically. The hyperbole reeks of leftist churchianity, comparing Jim Crow laws to the holocaust. He went full Godwin right out of the box. Segregation is un-Christian because holocaust? Religion of Babel indeed.

Blogger Ron May 26, 2016 9:33 AM  

@VD

Do whatever you have to do, just don't fuck up my Orcs and Goblins. They are so utterly demented that I love them.

Kill them or make them victorious, but please don't make them do some gay shit like see the light and become friends with everyone. I'm so sick of that crap.

The Goblin/Orc alliance forever!

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 9:34 AM  

"Whiteness is not incidental. It is an intrinsic part of Western Civilization. You cannot have it without Christianity. And you cannot have it without white people."

Peter thought the same about the Jews... but Paul taught the Greeks.

It takes time... but it can happen.

After all... here you are... defending western civilization.

And you're a redskinned half-savage.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 26, 2016 9:37 AM  

I find it ironic that I am frequently having to explain the importance of Christianity to the white nationalists and the importance of white nationalism to the Christians.

Notice how Western civilization spread to Australia and America with a) Christianity and b) white people. Notice how it has not survived the disappearance of white people from Detroit.


I am taking these to twitter with credit given.

Blogger ZhukovG May 26, 2016 9:40 AM  

Perhaps those of us, descended from Celts, should ask Milo what pattern of Woad he thinks will be the most fashionable during the coming season.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 9:42 AM  

Peter thought the same about the Jews... but Paul taught the Greeks.

That was Christianity, not a civilization.

After all... here you are... defending western civilization. And you're a redskinned half-savage.

I am an extreme outlier in almost every sense of the word. Using an obvious exception to create a rule is a very bad idea. Trust me, you do not want to bet your civilization upon the time preferences of most of my relatives.

Blogger Edward Isaacs May 26, 2016 9:42 AM  

Alright, I'll take the bait.

"The Bible teaches that it is best not to marry."

Does this mean that the teaching of the Bible is dyscivilizational?

Blogger Gaiseric May 26, 2016 9:42 AM  

Nate wrote:"Whiteness is not incidental. It is an intrinsic part of Western Civilization. You cannot have it without Christianity. And you cannot have it without white people."

Peter thought the same about the Jews... but Paul taught the Greeks.

It takes time... but it can happen.

After all... here you are... defending western civilization.

And you're a redskinned half-savage.

No, Peter thought you couldn't have Christianity without the Jews. He didn't have any opinion on Western Civilization, because it didn't exist. Western civilization doesn't exist without Christianity, the legacy of Rome, and the tribes of Germanic people, specifically as first organized and codified into an actual culture by Clovis.

You might get something nice from Chinese Christians. But it won't be Western civilization. It'll be something else.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 9:43 AM  

Do whatever you have to do, just don't fuck up my Orcs and Goblins. They are so utterly demented that I love them.

You haven't even begun to see anything yet. Part of what is taking so long is that ASOS features an orc perspective character, which required considerable thinking about orc culture.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 26, 2016 9:44 AM  

East Asian civilization dates to far earlier than Western Civilization. In generic IQ terms, East Asians average higher than do people whose ancestors lived inside the Hajnal Line.

Why, then, is the modern world almost entirely a product of the latter? Why does the Peoples Army of China appear to invest more effort in stealing Western innovations than Westerners spend innovating?

Everyone wants the golden eggs. EVERYONE. China's oligarchy is moving mountains to mimic Western market systems. Arabs and Africans and Mestizos flood into Western-run lands to "get me some."

But ONLY a subset of people whose ancestors were inside that Hajnal Line can produce the golden eggs. This is the dirty little fact everyone is turning handsprings to avoid recognizing.

The World War W is a pogrom of extermination of the very golden geese whose product is what everyone wants.

What do we call it when someone who can't produce something decides to destroy it rather than see its producers enjoy it?

Want to understand white leftists? Grasp that these are the intellectual classes who CAN'T PRODUCE. From Marx to Coates, these are people who RAGE at the producers. They hate them. They hate their bourgeois comfort and smug self-satisfaction with a job well done.

They will BURN the world rather than see others enjoy what they themselves cannot make.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 26, 2016 9:48 AM  

@83 My children shall wed within their civilization AND within the Faith or they shall not have my blessing. That is all there is to it.

Outliers occur, but if you do a decent job explaining the WHY (not just the What), they generally do the right thing all by themselves.

If a man can't explain to his kids why he lives as he does, and does not model his explanation daily, he is just of the masses--one more piece of flotsam in the ocean of time.

The Remnant is what matters.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 9:50 AM  

East Asian civilization dates to far earlier than Western Civilization. In generic IQ terms, East Asians average higher than do people whose ancestors lived inside the Hajnal Line.

Why, then, is the modern world almost entirely a product of the latter?


Bingo. People always seem to forget that I am an East Asian Studies major. I have great respect for Chinese and Japanese cultures. They are fascinating. But they are not anything even remotely close to Western civilization.

And Christianity could not care less about things like small government, free speech, or many other things that we Men of the West value. Keep that in mind when you blithely appeal to Christianity as the answer to earthly ills.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 9:51 AM  

"Trust me, you do not want to bet your civilization upon the time preferences of most of my relatives."

and did the romans not say the same of the barbaric germanic hordes?

Time. It just takes time.

And I would point out that there is a tribe down here in alabama that is not only capable of paying off the whole state's debt... it actually offered to do so... and the white folks running the state turned them down.

So...

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 9:54 AM  

Time. It just takes time.

Certainly. It takes about 1,000 years of ruthlessly and violently culling them, if history is any guide. I don't hear anyone advocating that.

OpenID frankluke May 26, 2016 9:57 AM  

Two days ago a friend of mine was waxing eloquent about how it's better to lose with your principles than win by abandoning them. He's usually a clearer thinker than that. In a sport or game, sure I'll agree with him. When the enemy wants you dead and is actively working towards that, not at all.

George Lucas' ideal of Luke throwing away his lightsaber because to strike down the evil emperor who is responsible for the death of billions and enslavement of more would make the two of them morally equivalent is crap. Pure unadulterated crap.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 10:01 AM  

" I don't hear anyone advocating that."

that 1000 years can be enhanced by a few processes. I'm convinced for example that slavery is actually a process that speeds up the rate at which a given people can be civilized. Look at the black population of america in say the early 1900s. It was well on its way... much further than is mere 100 years should have produced.


so really we could just enslave the mexicans here in america... and by 2100 they may be ready.

what?

I'm just offering solutions here.

Blogger LES May 26, 2016 10:04 AM  

From Judaism 101:
“The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of theJewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem . He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles. He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship. He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land.”

This meshes with American evangelical Hagee eschatology: there must be a one-world government before the anti-Christ appears.
I am not a pre-millennial dispensationist. We must not give in to the New World Order and the SJW running dogs.

Blogger The Deuce May 26, 2016 10:05 AM  

Nate:

Time. It just takes time.

It takes time IF it happens. But there has to be a strong and sustained incentive for a whole ethnicity to abandon their culture for a different one.

I agree that, hypothetically, there is no reason East Asians couldn't hold the same values as Western civilization en masse as a sheer logical possibility, by why would they when they're proud of their own culture? Human tribalism being what it is, people of one ethnicity are naturally going to tend to go out of their way to reject the culture of another ethnicity unless there is pressure to do otherwise that lasts for a long time.

In the case of the Germanic tribes, it was the attractiveness of Christianity combined with the pressure of Roman rule and law, sustained over centuries, combined later with the unifying threat of invaders from the East. What comparable pressure is there on Asians, or Africans, or South Americans that they would want to adopt a different culture, especially when that culture has lost confidence in itself?

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 10:05 AM  

I'm just offering solutions here.

That was what the Romans did. Remember, Caesar alone enslaved one million Gauls.

Blogger CarpeOro May 26, 2016 10:07 AM  

Scintan wrote:(how can they talk about sexual fidelity or chastity for the clergy when those same clergy are molesting/raping children then 'sweeping it under the rug')

Unless your next argument is that the Catholic clergy is 100% infested (in which case we need to question your motives and your sanity), the answer to that is an easy one to see.


I would disagree that it requires 100% involvement to undermine legitimacy. All those in the church hierarchy that were involved in moving the actors around take on the mantle of protectors not of the victims, because they went on to victimize other children, but of the villains. It doesn't rob the church of all legitimacy, but for a branch that focuses so much on the structure and the legitimacy of their preeminence (the Pope being above all the other bishops in authority for the pre-East/West schism) it dealt a blow that the church has not recovered from in the eyes of many outside of it.

Anonymous Darth Wheatley #2415 May 26, 2016 10:07 AM  

@31:
It’s that no Christian worthy of the name can be racist after slavery and Jim Crow, and no Christian worthy of the name can be anti-Semitic after Auschwitz. Ignorance is no longer an excuse, if it ever was.

The biggest problem with this train of thought is that it doesn't allow for anything in between. There's no room for "I don't hate black people, but I don't like their culture and I don't want to pretend like I do." If the only choices are "racist" or "globalist" then they're forcing our hand... we will choose whatever will let us preserve ourselves, our heritage, and our civilization.

It's the same argument when people scream "homophobe." Failure to 100% agree with them constitutes Wrongthink.

If black/hispanic/whatever culture is so great, why is it wrong for us to want them to foster it in their own homeland? Shouldn't they be better off doing their own thing, if the White Man's society is so bad? Nope, the only option is "racist." So here we are.

And as for anti-semites, even The Master said it well:
"Go out into the highways and along the hedges, and compel them to come in, so that my house may be filled. For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste of my dinner."

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 10:11 AM  

"That was what the Romans did. Remember, Caesar alone enslaved one million Gauls."

How long were they enslaved? I wonder if we could work out a rate of improvement in the cycle...

"The Civilizational Benefits of Slavery" would make such a great coffee table book.

Anonymous BGKB May 26, 2016 10:12 AM  

''why Trump'' and ''why Alt-Right'' not because he's sympathetic, just the opposite, how to counter it - in a loving, churchian way.

Just like Nate posted my glock=Barbie doll of handguns post up at his gun club, I will have to post Rod Dreher's cuckery at places so gays can know they are more manly than him.

"I would much rather my kids marry Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians than marry fellow white people who aren’t. I really mean that."

Its not informed consent if he doesn't know IQ is mostly genetic, leaving him with 1/2 orc grandkids.

Trump is proposing to 1. screen TSA agents for their jihad tendencies. An oath with serious repercussions should it be broken

We could replace the entire TSA with pictures of bombhat moohammad kissing the backside of a pig, and one sniper per airport.

Why don't you just throw out a gun question and be done with it?

What would be the best gun and ammo for the dark ages?

The problem is that the established right still seeks "respectability". But the left controls what respectability was.

In order to be respectable you have to sacrifice your daughters to dindus.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 26, 2016 10:19 AM  

"Perfect Theology" is Blank Slatism for Christians. Theology and Ideology nibble and chew about the edges of human nature, and human nature comes from whom?

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 26, 2016 10:25 AM  

Icicle wrote:
We will rebuild. Stronger. Faster. Better.

You do realize that the character with that line was Oscar Goldman?


And Goldman spent six million.

An infamous number.

Anonymous Isidore the Farmer May 26, 2016 10:27 AM  

Keep in mind an analogy from the Lord of the Rings: you have both Hobbits and men of war like Strider. To me, the Benedict Option crowd are more like Hobbits, and the VFM are men of war. And both have a role to play in the fight against Mordor.

Blogger John Wright May 26, 2016 10:27 AM  

@91
"Does this mean that the teaching of the Bible is dyscivilizational?"

I will take the bait: our city is the City of God. Civilization is the City of Man. Those who set their faces toward the City of God will build and defend both cities; those who set their faces toward the City of Man will get neither.

Priests, monks and nuns who serve God by sacrificing their hopes of family life seem foolish from worldly, eugenic standards: yet Catholic civilization has conquered the world.

Blogger Ron May 26, 2016 10:28 AM  

@VD

It's funny, we read these characters and we think of them as different people. But they are actually all you. The Goblins, the Orcs, the hobbits, the Romans, the Lion demons, the Vikings, the French. The men and women, even the castles and religions. All of them are actually aspects of the author who writes them.

Anonymous Bo Sears May 26, 2016 10:32 AM  

Those of us in the Alt-White have an easier time of it. Strip our personal lives and thoughts of ideas that have insidiously bound us to the "Abrahamic God," perfect our language to support our rights to live, to form families, to freely associate with whomsoever we wish, and to protect our property and rights in an ordered context. Begin with the personal Great Cleansing and see how it clarifies all things.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 10:34 AM  

Keep in mind an analogy from the Lord of the Rings: you have both Hobbits and men of war like Strider. To me, the Benedict Option crowd are more like Hobbits, and the VFM are men of war. And both have a role to play in the fight against Mordor.

Sure, as long as the Hobbits don't attack the Rangers.

Anonymous Isidore the Farmer May 26, 2016 10:38 AM  

"Sure, as long as the Hobbits don't attack the Rangers."

Agreed.

Anonymous RedJack May 26, 2016 10:46 AM  

Nate, the germanic tribes took much longer than 1000 years to become "western". Many argued (including our host at times) they they STILL are not. While the basis of American Law and theory is English, as a person of non English heritage parts of it seem rather odd. Vox has said that the reason his native Minnesota went so nuts is that the people there, Germans and Scandinavians, had no concept of English common law and still don't. If you take the classic Catholic and Orthodox view, Western Civilization resides in the Latin and Greek peoples. Remember, it took a long time for the concept of salvation outside the Empire to be accepted by the Church, and in many places it is still an open question.

Anonymous BGKB May 26, 2016 10:53 AM  

So when he says ''Ethiopians who were believing Orthodox Christians'' the question has to be asked; How many of those actually even exist?

Perhaps he would also have the requirement of being a black as smart as seen on TV.

In generic IQ terms, East Asians average higher than do people whose ancestors lived inside the Hajnal Line

During both Chinese and Japanese empires innovators who questioned the narrative got killed off. So make matters worse the jewish Bolsheviks helped Moa target the smart people who could best reject collectivism when he killed 100 million Chinese.

And Christianity could not care less about things like small government

Didn't Gary North make a biblical argument against big government, that having a king would cost more than tithes?

capable of paying off the whole state's debt... it actually offered to do so... and the white folks running the state turned them down

Are you sure it was not the (((white))) folks that wanted to keep debt/interest payments going. Payday loans are more profitable when not paid.

so really we could just enslave the mexicans here in america... and by 2100 they may be ready.

Kratman suggested enslaving illegals was legal just not their offspring once enslaved.

To take the last first, the 13th Amendment reads:

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
Read more: http://www.everyjoe.com/2016/05/16/politics/fighting-war-retain-southwest-us-three-bad-roads-to-victory/#ixzz49m1CxFzp

The men and women, even the castles and religions. All of them are actually aspects of the author who writes them.

What does that say about GRapeRapeMartin?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 26, 2016 10:54 AM  

Cede the Moral level of war and you end up with Dreher and Cucks Inc., but they got to play intellectual and that paid the bills.

The Moral level of war being the most important, don't let your intellectual friends become a Cuck.

Blogger The Deuce May 26, 2016 10:55 AM  

VD wrote:And Christianity could not care less about things like small government, free speech, or many other things that we Men of the West value. Keep that in mind when you blithely appeal to Christianity as the answer to earthly ills.

I think a lot of the foundations for those things are there in nascent form in Scripture. For instance, there is Christ's exhortation to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's" and Paul's missive in Romans 13 about obeying (God-ordained) civil authorities contrasted with his becoming a criminal by preaching the Gospel, and Peter's statement that "We must obey God rather than man."

And likewise in Israel's history, they were to bless their Babylonian and Persian captors, but the revolt against Seleucid tyranny was justified.

It adds up the the idea that secular governments and the Church both have legitimate spheres of authority, which should be respected from both sides, and that you must defy the secular authorities when they overstep their proper boundaries, which usurpations include (at the least) trying to stop you from speaking the Gospel and practicing the faith.

So teasing those disparate threads out, you can conclude that an ideal government is one that is kept limited to its sphere, which include not squelching at least some speech. Combining that with the Golden Rule, Paul's invitation to reason together, and some other things, you can broaden it.

But just because you can doesn't mean that most non-Western Christians will. It's not simply obvious or clearly spelled out in Scripture. Besides that, the apostles were working from the cultural backdrop of Roman law and Greek philosophy, which were inherited by Western Civilization. I would expect Christians completely outside that tradition to have a harder time putting it all together, particularly when Western Civilization is no longer advocating it much itself.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 10:57 AM  

"Are you sure it was not the (((white))) folks that wanted to keep debt/interest payments going. Payday loans are more profitable when not paid."

Steve... Alabama is run by WASPs.

Blogger The Remnant May 26, 2016 10:58 AM  

I do talk about the Constitution quite a bit, not in the silly hope of reviving it, but in order to demonstrate that it is dead and that virtually everything government does today is illegal. If the government won't obey the law, why should anyone else? People need to understand that patriotism no longer requires obedience, but quite the opposite.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 11:00 AM  

"Nate, the germanic tribes took much longer than 1000 years to become "western". Many argued (including our host at times) they they STILL are not. "

that's the rub isn't it?

once you've acknowledge that the germans and scandanavians aren't capable of maintaining western civilization... the whole white thing goes out the window.

OpenID luciussomesuch May 26, 2016 11:04 AM  

"Or they could look more Mediterranean than East African depending on how the genes manifest."

As PA says, no.

I've seen these kinds of mutts trying to pass off as "Arab". It's delusional. Arabs aren't my cup of handsome, but nothing is sadder looking than a male half-primate.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 11:09 AM  

'I've seen these kinds of mutts trying to pass off as "Arab". It's delusional. Arabs aren't my cup of handsome, but nothing is sadder looking than a male half-primate."

***chuckle***

I have a buddy who is Egyptian and lived in Egypt most of his life. He considered Arabs to be mongrels. Sometimes by the way he talked I doubted that he was speaking figuratively.

Blogger John Wright May 26, 2016 11:13 AM  

@92
"Western civilization doesn't exist without Christianity, the legacy of Rome, and the tribes of Germanic people, specifically as first organized and codified into an actual culture by Clovis"

I see we have a student of Edward Gibbon.

No, sir, I beg to differ. Western Civilization was a perfectly fine going concern between the rise of Constantine and the coronation of Charlemagne, and the civilization in Western Europe thereafter took nothing from the German barbarians, because there was nothing to take: chivalry, the common law, the dress and architecture, the meeting of armed men to debate the issues of the day, the laws and customs all come from Rome. Kingship, as understood in the Middle Ages, springs from the 'regis' or 'rex' a Latin word referring to a local military commander; 'count' refers to his companions.

The Middle Ages is entirely Catholic in fountainhead and flavor. During the Reformation, the areas where Christianity was introduced late, and had evidently not yet taken deep root, England and Germany, produced a rebellion against Western Civilization, and in favor of individual conscience. Attractive as the ideal is, this individual conscience turned out to be dyscivic, as evidenced by the shipwreck of Christianity that followed. The ideal mutated, grew corrupt, and sprouted into the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and two World Wars, and a Cold War, all of which were fought by worldly men over differences in worldly philosophy: on one side, the Enlightenment beliefs about how to organize society on Earth without God, and on the other, Bizmarkian socialism, national socialism, and communist socialism, three Benightened beliefs about how to organize society on earth without the benefit of God.

The reason why I believe in American exceptionalism, and why I reject the rejection of America as a constitutional nation dedicated not to a race but to a proposition, is that America does not fit the pattern. It is a secular nation organized like a Church: anyone can join provided he is baptized in the ideals of liberty.

I believe it is not the skin color of the incoming flood of immigrants that forms the problem, but the devout attempts by the Left to prevent incomers from being properly catechized.

The newcomers are not learning English, and the blacks are being bribed not to adopt the American Way of Life: family, church, hard work, keeping what you earn asking a hand-out from none.

The whole race-baiting strategy of the Left is not about race. The issues they raise are never the real issue. The real issue is that the Left hates Christ and hates America. They use the blacks as a battering ram to damage the free market ideals and mar the political system. Likewise, they use gays as a tool to assault the Church.

But notice how the Left acts toward the Jihad! The Left throws the gay issue and the race issue under the bus the moment the Jihad seems useful for undermining American and libeling the Church instead.

Blogger Nick S May 26, 2016 11:16 AM  

It's been obvious to me since the beginnings of the Arab Spring that we are in the throes of a global paradigm shift. It will be some time before anyone will have sufficient perspective to even attempt to posit a comprehensive explanation or try to quantify the dynamics entailed, but rapid access to news and information for the masses is certainly playing a pivotal role.

Last night I read various movie critics reviews of 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi. They seemed preposterous after hearing interviews of the guys that were there saying the movie was a reasonably accurate depiction of the actual events including much of the dialogue. I subsequently watched the movie and was moved.

At that point, I became pissed at the critics who were manifestly either clueless or were flacking an SJW agenda. Consequently, I decided that this election cycle was akin to a secular variation of Pascal's Wager. One way or the other, we will be placing a bet and, however remote I think it might be, there is some non-zero probability that Trump will try to do at least some of the things he has said he will do. That is better than the alternative.

That's my long winded way of going off topic and saying I will be casting my vote for Trump.

Blogger Scott6584 May 26, 2016 11:18 AM  

I have been thoroughly denounced several times for commenting on this website as an unabashed and unashamed supporter of Ted Cruz. I'm still not backing off that, but I recognize that Trump has won, and understand why.

Contrary to many who denigrate Cruz, he is NOT a member of the Establishment, and he has fought, and will continue to fight against the corruption of Washington. But what Trump does, that Cruz does not do, is fights unfairly. Trump gets down in the mud and muck and goes toe-to-toe with the enemy. And that is why he has the support he does.

The vast majority of white America is tired of being demonized for imaginary sins, when in fact, the Western Civilization spawned by White people has been the most generous and merciful in the history of the world. Far from being the monsters of racism/colonialism/barbarism that white men are portrayed as, we've actually bent over backwards to accomodate women and other races - to the detriment of our own self-interest. No other race which reached the pinnacle of power has treated others as well as we have.

And instead of reacting with gratefulness, all we get is scorn. Trump has proven he is willing to fight with the tactics of the enemy. If the Democrats can go after Sarah Palin's children, and even her handicapped down syndrome child, then Trump is willing to employ the same kind of tactics. He's not afraid to go there. He's not so invested in maintaining a gentile persona that he's unwilling to mercilessly attack.

Compare to the Western settlers who responded to vicious attacks from nomadic tribes of American Indians who scalped them with a corresponding viciousness. Compare to WWII, and the willingness to demonize and dehumanize Japanese and Germans, so that killing them was seen more as stamping out poisonous insects than killing other human beings.

Trump has telegraphed a willingness to treat the nation of Mexico, and Mexicans with the same disdain and contempt they treat America. If you wave a Mexican flag in America to justify your support of Democrats, don't expect mercy or "understanding" from Trump. Don't steal jobs and money (billions in remittances) and then try to claim the moral highground.

Trump has telegraphed his willingness to kill women and children, and be just as brutal as the terrorists to beat them back. He is willing to attack Hillary Clinton and the Democrats with the same type of below the belt tactics they used on every Republican Presidential candidate in the past 100 years.

Trump doesn't pull his punches out of some misguided sense of fairness or gentlemanliness. He goes there. Unapologetically, and with malice aforethought.

And for a population that is sick and tired of being told to apologize, scrape and bow, he's a welcome breath of fresh air. Policies be damned, he's willing to fight for us.

So, despite the fact that I still believe Cruz has a better POSITIVE vision for America's FUTURE, the reality is that in the PRESENT, Trump is more willing and able to go for the throat, and do it with the gusto that fully embodies the anger and frustration of many Americans. I've always understood that, and even appreciated it - even while supporting Cruz.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 11:22 AM  

I believe it is not the skin color of the incoming flood of immigrants that forms the problem, but the devout attempts by the Left to prevent incomers from being properly catechized.

It isn't their skin color, it is their DNA. The catechization of the Germans, Irish, Scandinavians and Jews was sufficiently imperfect to destroy the Constitution. The USA as a functioning and unified political entity has been doomed since 1965; if race did not matter, then why is the Left so utterly determined to flood the white nations with non-whites?

It is a secular nation organized like a Church: anyone can join provided he is baptized in the ideals of liberty.

You're flat-out wrong. America was, and is, a white nation. This is not up for discussion or debate, it is a straightforward matter of historical and legal fact. See: The Naturalization Act of 1790 and Tanaka vs United States, 1926.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 26, 2016 11:23 AM  

Speaking of a Cuck being operationally ineffective, IowaHawk is proving my point today, the great Maginot Line of Conservatism is taking potshots at Hillary thru some stupid Manly Man advert for Hillary. A Black Knight of alt-right would have the Left firing upon themselves in OODA loop confusion a Maginot Defender calls Paris and orders more ammo.

Mr. Wright, please.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 11:25 AM  

Contrary to many who denigrate Cruz, he is NOT a member of the Establishment, and he has fought, and will continue to fight against the corruption of Washington. But what Trump does, that Cruz does not do, is fights unfairly. Trump gets down in the mud and muck and goes toe-to-toe with the enemy. And that is why he has the support he does.

There is the difference right there. Cruz fights against "the corruption of Washington". Trump fights against the enemy.

Post-Bush, no one trusts anyone who wars against inanimate objects and abstract concepts rather than real, live enemies.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 11:32 AM  

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof, on application to any common law court of record, in any one of the states wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such court, that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law, to support the constitution of the United States, which oath or affirmation such court shall administer; and the clerk of such court shall record such application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a citizen of the United States.

Not anyone can join, only "a free white person". He does need to be "a person of good character", but there is nothing about being baptized in the ideals of liberty.

You've been fed a lie, John. It's simply not true. The "proposition nation" is a 19th century myth concocted by foreigners and embraced by immigrants to enhance their status.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 11:36 AM  

"Post-Bush, no one trusts anyone who wars against inanimate objects and abstract concepts rather than real, live enemies."

reminds me of the Salon piece about why Hillary has no chance of beating Trump.

Hillary is the candidate of abstraction.

Blogger Sheila4g May 26, 2016 11:40 AM  

@40 Ron: "I remember you dealt with an aspect of this problem in your book Throne of Bones. At the time I thought you were simply bringing the Roman problem of integrating the various Italian tribes to the fantasy world. Now I see you were gaming out the current world scenario with the ancient problems dealt with in the past."

And finally, after reading here for how long? This comment has made me truly desirous of reading Vox's fiction books.

I don't always agree with Vox or everything said here, and I hate what I perceive as sycophants, but I must give Vox kudos (not that he needs them or cares for them from me) for his clarity and en point responses in this excellent thread. Yes, Christianity matters, but so does race and so do genes. Yes, time and ruthless culling may be able to effect wholesale changes in other races and the cultures they naturally produce, but we have neither the time nor the mass will to do the culling. Compare it to the type of geological pressure to form a diamond out of carbon.

Yes, there are snowflakes and outliers, but they cannot and do not outweigh the mass of dross. Yes, God and Christianity will survive, but racial folk wisdom teaches us that God also helps those who help themselves.

Faith and Heritage has an excellent series on Christianity and its differing development within different cultures. The first part, about Caucasian Christianity (i.e. Western Civilization) is excellent: the Caucasian Christ.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 11:42 AM  

"Not anyone can join, only "a free white person". He does need to be "a person of good character", but there is nothing about being baptized in the ideals of liberty."

this makes me wonder about the freeman colonies of north florida. They existed before florida was even a state. Hell they were there before the britts came down and created East Florida and West Florida.

When florida got annexed... and eventually joined the US... did they all just up and become citizens through the annexation?

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 11:47 AM  

When florida got annexed... and eventually joined the US... did they all just up and become citizens through the annexation?

Yes.

Anonymous Philalethes May 26, 2016 11:47 AM  

Link in the OP goes to the blog home page. Here's the link to the article quoted: Re-Tribalizing America.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 11:48 AM  

kind of shitty that the freemen got to become citizens and they drove the indians out eh?

even treated the darkies better than y'all.

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 11:55 AM  

The reason why I believe in American exceptionalism, and why I reject the rejection of America as a constitutional nation dedicated not to a race but to a proposition, is that America does not fit the pattern. It is a secular nation organized like a Church: anyone can join provided he is baptized in the ideals of liberty.

I believe it is not the skin color of the incoming flood of immigrants that forms the problem, but the devout attempts by the Left to prevent incomers from being properly catechized.

The newcomers are not learning English, and the blacks are being bribed not to adopt the American Way of Life: family, church, hard work, keeping what you earn asking a hand-out from none.

Amen. I've not heard it put in better terms. The secular catechism is attacked because it is White / English / Christian in origin, not because it is defective in any way. Liberty is the grace it confers, but no one is in a state of grace, so no liberty.

The thing I find futile about the Alt-Right as all the incarnations before - and including and especially the church - is on the life issues they will also shrug and look away.

Over the last 40 years, millions of babies were murdered in what even many feminized churches recognize as a holocaust. Terri Schiavo was murdered in the equivalent of an Auschwitz starvation bunker while we all watched on TV. Jeb!? Cuckservative doesn't begin to describe it, but that was a decade ago.

Perhaps we really don't believe in God, the Bible, etc. and that he won't judge us - both the atheists who have seared their consciences to commit such acts, but also all the "Christians" who don't even speak up, or perhaps the very feminization and islamization is the form of the judgment in that we have not really opposed this literally murderous part of feminism, and have lost our faith in any active form.

Anonymous RedJack May 26, 2016 11:58 AM  

Nate,

You (and Mr Wright) nailed it. "Western" Civilization was not, and in many ways still is not, the civilization of the old tribes of Europe. But the funny thing is that by the end of the Empire (both East and West) the only people who really tried to keep things going were the descendants of the old tribes. They staffed the army, the government, and were very much involved with the church.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 12:09 PM  

Amen. I've not heard it put in better terms.

Of course it sounds great. John wrote it. That doesn't make it any less factually wrong.

kind of shitty that the freemen got to become citizens and they drove the indians out eh?

Apparently our devotion to liberty was insufficient.

Blogger Elder Son May 26, 2016 12:11 PM  

@26 The EU has been an anti-Christian project from its inception

https://nicolecairns.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_0560.jpg

The revived Roman Empire. And they do like to project.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 12:11 PM  

The newcomers are not learning English

Why should they learn English? If skin color doesn't matter, then how can language possibly be an issue? It's not as if the American proposition can't be translated into other languages, right?

Anonymous Philalethes May 26, 2016 12:21 PM  

@49.  Eric the Red

@3 Ellipsis Lacuna...
That bundle of sticks is called fasces.. and you are correct, it is a righteous symbol.

And the fasces symbol is the derivation of the word "fascism". The important question is whether the bands around the bundle of sticks are voluntary or forced.

I was interested to note that the fasces appears on the arms of the throne on which ol' Honest Abe sits in the Lincoln Memorial.

Blogger justaguy May 26, 2016 12:22 PM  

Where is there a cohesive ideology or set of beliefs to counter that of the progressives? There needs to be one that a large enough minority ascribe to in order to foment the type of change that the progressives of the early 1900s foisted on the West? The progressives with their confidence in their "science" has changed the world, and there is no counterweight to it that has grabbed the attention of any sizeable number of any population. Nationalism rises and then dies--the Alt-Right gets marginalized. Where is the opposing ideology? Libertarianism is too scattered and there hasn't been a nationalist, traditional liberal ideology that has withstood the rampant third world immigration to form any cohesive movement. Maybe something will develop. In the meantime we take whatever allies we can find to oppose the "liberal fascism" that is descending across all aspects of modern life. Often it seems that we are just waiting to be fitted with our rat cages so we can repent and join Big Brother.

Anonymous vfm #0202 May 26, 2016 12:22 PM  

"Faggot" works. But "Who would fardels bear, sweat and groan under a heavy load?" is also in the running for a bundle of sticks. There could even be more fa* matches, I just can't think of them at the moment.

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 12:27 PM  

I've gone over to the Wright side.
It isn't their skin color, it is their DNA. The catechization of the Germans, Irish, Scandinavians and Jews was sufficiently imperfect to destroy the Constitution.
If one doesn't believe, or doesn't know all the implications of the belief, they ought not be baptized.
If you are arguing DNA, then their DNA somehow makes them impossible to catechize the majority.
Magic DNA didn't appear to work in Australia, New Zealand, or Canada. Or England itself. Even America was split Anglo-saxon and Anglo-celtic. The Constitution didn't spontaneously arise from some racial memory buried in the DNA.
Magic dust doesn't work any better. England as both race and location aren't sufficient. When they became Anglican and then continued to fall - they drove the Bible believers to America - they lost their liberty though kept both DNA and dust.
I don't think you can be an American without believing in the Bible (I'm not talking salvation or God, but in the principles). In one sense the Constitution is merely an implementation of biblical principles (Something like what wallbuilders.org advocates).
What is the point in homeschooling the correct catechism if it is dust or DNA?
Perhaps you cannot properly fully catechize adults from different locations - does the magic dust of Ireland or magic DNA of the Irish prevent it? Or not being raised steeped in it from birth?
While many cradle Catholics are criticized for not really understanding their faith, converts tend to bring in their approach. Scott Hahn is a protestant Bible scholar who converted, he understands all the rest, but he still focuses on scripture. Cradle Catholic theologians even specializing on the bible don't.

Another problem that is going to get worse with the alt-right - I'm expecting NR type purges soon as the enemy / fight had to be just so, therefore the Birchers couldn't stay. It is not that the Hobbits must not attack the Rangers, but that everyone thinks they are a Ranger and not a Hobbit, or that the Hobbit throwing the ring into Mt. Doom is a side issue and it is more important or urgent (because it is more sexy) to fight Orcs. But victory would have been had if Gondor had fallen and the Orcs swept out of Mordor to attack middle earth equally clearing the way for Sam and Frodo.

Blogger Salt May 26, 2016 12:28 PM  

Philalethes wrote:@3 Ellipsis Lacuna...
That bundle of sticks is called fasces.. and you are correct, it is a righteous symbol.

And the fasces symbol is the derivation of the word "fascism". The important question is whether the bands around the bundle of sticks are voluntary or forced.



There's lots of argument over symbology. The fasces and the Eagle pointing to Imperial Rome. Even when gold fringe is adorned on the Flag, signifying the presence of the Executive.

I know of an incident where a Judge tore the fringe off the Flag in the courtroom.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 26, 2016 12:31 PM  

I'm convinced for example that slavery is actually a process that speeds up the rate at which a given people can be civilized.

Miscegenation probably has something to do with that, especially when the half-breeds remain in the slave class but get some extra benefits granted by their father in the Big House.

And I think it might be a process that, if you break it before it's done, degenerates into worse savagery than what you had before. Haiti comes to mind, where the various -roons hated each other and fought viciously when the masters were gone.

Barbados seems to be a place where it was mostly let run it's course. It's far and away the most prosperous and civilized Black country on the planet. It had about 300 years of British rule over African slaves/second class citizens.

Blogger Nate Winchester May 26, 2016 12:35 PM  

If skin color doesn't matter, then how can language possibly be an issue?

Because one is born of a color, but not a language. With diligence and effort, one can choose and change their language, but not their skin color.

I mean... the Tower Babel. Right there, does God change the men's skin? No, He changes their tongues and so they splinter. Skin color is not necessary for civilization - language is. It's like comparing the bricks of a house to its paint job.

Anonymous Philalethes May 26, 2016 12:38 PM  

@6.  Ron

@Ellipsis Lacuna



Amusingly, the word you are looking for is "faggot". But, yeah.

Brings a new meaning to the phrase "dangerous faggot tour".


So, then, would the bands around the faggots be "sacred"?

Heh.

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 12:39 PM  

In defense of Vox's DNA, I would not that the group who are most concerned and reverence the Constitution are the Mormons, and Utah and the surrounding area can trace their descent to the English from the original colonies.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 26, 2016 12:44 PM  

During the Reformation, the areas where Christianity was introduced late, and had evidently not yet taken deep root, England and Germany, produced a rebellion against Western Civilization, and in favor of individual conscience.

I know I'll regret this, but:

During the Reformation, the areas where Christianity was far enough from the corruption in Rome to resist it attempted to first reform the Roman Catholic Church and when that proved impossible broke away from it.

That the corruption was real and the reforms needed was later validated by the Roman Catholic Church's own actions when it addressed many of the issues via the counter-reformation.

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 12:44 PM  

Why should they learn English? If skin color doesn't matter, then how can language possibly be an issue? It's not as if the American proposition can't be translated into other languages, right?

Why should Bible scholars learn Greek and Hebrew, or traditional Catholics, Latin?

The founding documents are all in English and the body of the law and commentaries are large.

Even Muslims assume the Koran is only really understood in the original Arabic.

Or Jews learn Hebrew since that is what the Torah and Prophets is written in.

One of the arguments against the deuterocanonical part of the Catholic Bible is that they weren't written in Hebrew.

Blogger Nick S May 26, 2016 12:44 PM  

Where is the opposing ideology?

Augustine.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 26, 2016 12:46 PM  

"If we want to get truly theologically correct, then from orthodox EO perspective, the Ethiopians are Monophysites who reject the ecumenical council of Chalcedon. Heretics."

I am EO, and I will assume your are posting from partial ignorance than intentional malevolence or deceit.

The EO Church and Ethiopian "Monophysites" have been in dialog for reconciliation for many years now. No-one is ignoring or overruling any EC, and this is likely a long process before any conclusion or change.

Also, there are non-Monophysite/Coptic Ethopian Orthodox churches in communion with the EOC.

I'm not defending Rod's statement, which I find to be rhetorical excess answered by the same.

I would have less problem with my kid marrying a RC or Coptic African than a white Protestant, especially a Calvinist, hahaha... ;-)

Forgive any sperginess to my comment, I react when I perceive misinformed or hostile comments about the faith I hold and profess.

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 12:49 PM  

@152 - But England which is a key part of the argument broke over the refusal of the Pope to give Henry VIII a SECOND annulment. This led to two things, first Henry becoming effectively Pope of England, and he decreeing against scripture and tradition that Divorce was purely a civil matter. Thomas More lost his head over the second issue since part of the new loyalty oath was to recognize the King's wife as wife.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 12:51 PM  

"Of course it sounds great. John wrote it"

its really not fair.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 26, 2016 12:54 PM  

@100 Nate
"so really we could just enslave the mexicans here in america... and by 2100 they may be ready.

what?

I'm just offering solutions here."

We should invade Mexico and set up a 100 mile economic development zone as some kind of libertarian free-trade paradise except require the captured population to serve as indentured Mexicans to pay off our expense. Shouldn't take more than a couple weeks.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 1:06 PM  

"Why should they learn English? If skin color doesn't matter, then how can language possibly be an issue? "

how do we argue that skin color is a primary issue when only a small subset of whites are more qualified than many brown fellows?

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 1:10 PM  

@144 - The alternative to Progressivism is Constitutionalism.
For now, it is divided (Ted Cruz was not a good representative of it, Ron Paul wasn't liked by many).
It is reforming around what Vox calls America 1.0 - and it isn't all Englishmen. They may not be the majority.

Wright's description of a "secular catechism" is being sorted out and reconstituted - looking back on the Revolution, the Federalists v.s. the anti-Federalists, an the first few presidents. It is a practical form of Libertarianism. Not trying to get philosophical with the NAP or Rothbard's speculations, but a reboot of after some adjustments, more Jeffersonian than Hamiltonian.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 26, 2016 1:12 PM  

@156

I'm a Lutheran. I'm not going to defend the Church of England. You don't need them to have their argument.

The Roman Catholic Church was engaged in simony. Luther was correct that if the Pope had the power to release souls from Purgatory then he should do so out of love. Indulgences were being sold.

Most importantly, the Roman Catholic Church was reducing Christianity to legalism.

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 1:18 PM  

@161 - The church was corrupt. It gets that way all the time, and seriously so about every 500 years.

But if Christianity is reformable, Constitutionalism should be too.

Blogger Gaiseric May 26, 2016 1:37 PM  

Nate wrote:that's the rub isn't it?

once you've acknowledge that the germans and scandanavians aren't capable of maintaining western civilization... the whole white thing goes out the window.

You've made a category error. America is a subset of British/English culture. Which is itself a subset of Western civilization. Germans and Scandinavians have (until very recently, at least) been perfectly capable of maintaining Western civilization... albeit a different branch of it than the American expression.

Mr. Wright makes the opposite category error; instead of assuming that a subset was the whole, he makes Western civilization even bigger than it actually is. Without the Germanic culture and Salic Law, which was essential (along with Christianity and the Classic legacy) to the foundation of the feudal period and manorialism, and the Hajnal line and Western civilization as we recognize it, you don't get Western civilization. You get something like Eastern Europe which, granted, isn't necessarily a terribly bad outcome. But it also ain't Western civilization.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 26, 2016 1:39 PM  

The problem with enslaving Mexicans and other illegal invaders is that it would destroy the market for low-skill labor. since most everyone, especially Rednecks and Blacks, starts out as low-skilled labor, the mass enslavement of 20-30 million Mexicans would utterly destroy the ability for a great many young people to learn the skills and habits of holding a job.

Which is exactly why so few smart young White people are going in for technical work. How can they compete against the H1b slaves both here and overseas?

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 1:46 PM  

" Germans and Scandinavians have (until very recently, at least) been perfectly capable of maintaining Western civilization... albeit a different branch of it than the American expression."

no. they haven't. Germans have been a problem since they arrived. Western concepts such as limited government are totally lost on germans.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 1:55 PM  

Western concepts such as limited government are totally lost on germans.

True, but that's not a Western concept per se. That's an English/American concept. Don't confuse the U.S. Constitution with Western Civilization. It is a small subset of it.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 1:59 PM  

'True, but that's not a Western concept per se. That's an English/American concept. Don't confuse the U.S. Constitution with Western Civilization. It is a small subset of it.'

The english parts of western civilization are really the only things that make it worth saving.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 26, 2016 2:00 PM  

tz wrote:The alternative to Progressivism is Constitutionalism.

For now, it is divided (Ted Cruz was not a good representative of it, Ron Paul wasn't liked by many).

It is reforming around what Vox calls America 1.0 - and it isn't all Englishmen. They may not be the majority.


No, Constitutionalism is just another form of Progressivism. It pretends to be older and Traditional, but that's like a Frenchman harking back to the halcyon days of The Commune. Muh Conservatism dates back to Reagan. Goldwater campaigned on Freedom and traditional American values.

The alternative to Progressivism is Traditionalism.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 26, 2016 2:01 PM  

tz wrote:@161 - The church was corrupt. It gets that way all the time, and seriously so about every 500 years.

But if Christianity is reformable, Constitutionalism should be too.


Not necessarily. The Church was mostly based on sound principles with a keen understanding of human needs and human nature. Constitutionalism was based on a bad premises and doesn't play well with technology. Its basically minarchy and that doesn't work in a world with computers, home genetic engineering, robots, and nuclear energy.

Also modern Western Civilization is certainly based around Christian ideals. however , Pagan Rome was assuredly western civilization of another sort as was Pagan Greece and maybe Celtic and to a degree Pagan Scandinavian civilization as well not that I think we'll take up worshiping Pater Iuppiter , Cernunnos or Thor in numbers any time soon.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 2:03 PM  

"The alternative to Progressivism is Traditionalism"

the problem with traditionalism is that most of those beloved traditions never actually existed. Or at least were not nearly as common place as people think.

For example... the Leave it to Beaver household ideal of the 50s.

That was true for the american middle class. Problem is the american middle class hadn't existed for very long. Poor women have always worked.

Anonymous RedJack May 26, 2016 2:09 PM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:@156

I'm a Lutheran. I'm not going to defend the Church of England. You don't need them to have their argument.

The Roman Catholic Church was engaged in simony. Luther was correct that if the Pope had the power to release souls from Purgatory then he should do so out of love. Indulgences were being sold.

Most importantly, the Roman Catholic Church was reducing Christianity to legalism.


Yes, and no. I am also a Lutheran, but the "Lutheran" church in Germany stopped being Lutheran a long time ago, and became the Kaiser's church. Hence why my greatgrandpa got on the boat. The problem was that the old Roman Church became a dumping ground for all the extra sons and daughters of the noble and merchant classes. Many of the clergy had no vocation, and little care about the church. In short, it was a mess. Luther, being a rather stubborn and bull headed man, tried to reform the church to be closer to what his old monastery was. When he got bounced out, he and a few others tried to show how it was done. However, from the start, it was all secular politics. Without the secular princes and Emperor getting involved, it may have gone much different.

Anonymous RedJack May 26, 2016 2:16 PM  

Nate wrote:" Germans and Scandinavians have (until very recently, at least) been perfectly capable of maintaining Western civilization... albeit a different branch of it than the American expression."

no. they haven't. Germans have been a problem since they arrived. Western concepts such as limited government are totally lost on germans.


As a German/Chech/Fin, you are right. Or rather, right in so much as the Germans don't understand government the way the old English did. Case in point, after the 30 years war, order became a rather high goal for most Germans. A patchwork of laws across the realm is by its nature disorderly, and irritating to many Germans. A strong central list of laws is culturally preferred. But that doesn't mean unlimited power. Few Germans in the Midwest (Lutheran or Catholic) followed prohibition back in the day. Oh, they may have not been running booze, but even my tee totaling grandfather ran a still for medicinal purposes.

Blogger tz May 26, 2016 2:22 PM  

@170 - I doubt then that humans are built for the 21st century technology.

I think the problem is when we use the term "Propositional Nation". It isn't. It is a cult - and I'm talking the Moonies or Scientology. The mindset that wrote the Declaration was one of a group being abused by "Mommie Dearest England". It wasn't dry words taken from Locke. It was an impassioned plea to God. Similarly with the Constitution - a nation fragmenting, confronted with their quarrels and differences, but which needed to unite. To extend the Common Law. There was some technical tinkering since Madison especially was well read on the subject, but it was not just trying to come up with a neat program or recipe. Then the first administrations trying to make things work right but going back and forth like we read in Acts after Pentecost.

It is Christianity for the secular, temporal sphere. The process is that of conversion, not of assent to some abstraction along with knowledge of historical trivia.

So the question of is one really American is not unlike asking is one really a Christian. They may know the prayers and attend Church and do various liturgical and external acts, but that doesn't make one Christian.

It is a cult, and it has a catechism.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 26, 2016 2:24 PM  

" even my tee totaling grandfather ran a still for medicinal purposes."

Yeah, I'm not drinking, I'm just medicating myself.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 26, 2016 2:26 PM  

However, from the start, it was all secular politics. Without the secular princes and Emperor getting involved, it may have gone much different.

Yes, of course. There had been previous attempts to reform the Roman Catholic Church which lacked the support of the secular authorities and which usually ended up with a lot of people being burned at the stake.

If Luther hadn't had the support of some secular princes that would have been his fate as well.

Nonetheless, the Roman Catholic Church was corrupt and Luther did try to reform it.

Anonymous BGKB May 26, 2016 2:30 PM  

NATE-Alabama is run by WASPs.

Where in Alabama would be good for someone like me to ride out the nigapocalypse?

It's delusional. Arabs aren't my cup of handsome, but nothing is sadder looking than a male half-primate

seconded

Why should they learn English? If skin color doesn't matter, then how can language possibly be an issue?

If they learned English that would take away all of the translator jobs for the smarter ones.

I'm convinced for example that slavery is actually a process that speeds up the rate at which a given people can be civilized

The isle of Hispania became the Dominican Republic avg IQ near US blacks and Haiti average IQ near African black numbers. The difference was when slaves got freed in DR they only killed the white men/boys, but Haiti killed white women and mulattos. DR is now deporting Haitians that can't trace their roots back to a DR citizen http://fpif.org/really-happening-dominican-republic-deporting-haitian-residents/

how do we argue that skin color is a primary issue when only a small subset of whites are more qualified than many brown fellows?

Been watching too many lifetime movies there NATE?

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 2:34 PM  

"Where in Alabama would be good for someone like me to ride out the nigapocalypse?"

Any small rural town in Alabama will both a white section and a black section. The south is largely voluntarily segregated. Whites live with whites.. blacks live with blacks... there are common areas.. like say... tractor supply or walmart. But there are literally black grocery stores... black gas stations... and white grocery stores.. and white gas stations.

Now... outliers are seen in all these places and are tolerated. But in general terms there is segregation and everyone is happier like this.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 2:36 PM  

The english parts of western civilization are really the only things that make it worth saving.

The Germans contributed greatly to science and the Italians to art. I wouldn't discount those contributions.

Anonymous Icicle May 26, 2016 2:36 PM  

You do realize that the character with that line was Oscar Goldman?

But Jews are Caucasian and just here to help, like Emmanuel Celler right? That's what public school teaches.

But on a more serious note from the Bionic Wiki: "In Winning Is Everything, Oscar takes on the alias of Bartholomew due to his concern that the Jewish-related surname Goldman would not be accepted in the middle eastern country of Taftan. Jaime and Oscar share an "Oy" in the same conversation. The episode contains the only known references to ethnicity and religion with regards to Goldman, however it's never been conclusively established whether Oscar Goldman actually is Jewish."

"WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW THAT MAN???"

Individually, we are weak and fragile and easily breakable, like whatever they call a little stick that gets thrown into the fire. United and tied together, we are strong and undefeatable, like whatever it is they call a big bundle of sticks tied together.

Fasces (/ˈfæsiːz/, (Italian: Fasci, Latin pronunciation: [ˈfa.skeːs], a plurale tantum, from the Latin word fascis, meaning "bundle")[1] is a bound bundle of wooden rods, sometimes including an axe with its blade emerging. The fasces had its origin in the Etruscan civilization, and was passed on to ancient Rome, where it symbolized a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power. Wikipedia.

Haaaaaa yeaaaaaah almost got me there. Almost.

Blogger Austin Ballast May 26, 2016 2:41 PM  

VD, wouldn't picking a spouse of a different race due to a Christian connection rather than connecting to one of the same race without the Christian connection be just like your SJW vs. National Socialist argument?

It doesn't require that choice be good.

I would agree with the not marrying part in that case, though it was the Apostle Paul, not God, who spoke about it being better to not marry. I believe Jesus also made some connection to that, but more for the time than as an overarching principle.

The Scriptures still push marriage and families, in spite of the danger, risk and penalties.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit May 26, 2016 3:03 PM  

People who value a civilization, even Western Civilization, more than God will in short time have neither.

Dreher is correct: better faithful Christian mixed race grandchildren, than white SJW ones.It's why you vote for Trump, rather than Hilary, even if you would rather have Cruz.

I actually know people with oodles of melanin who are pro-Western Civ.

I don't know any SJWs, of any degree of whiteness who are.

Blogger Nate May 26, 2016 3:20 PM  

"The Germans contributed greatly to science and the Italians to art. I wouldn't discount those contributions."

The italians aren't going to up and stop making fabulous gay shoes mate. Stop worrying so much.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 26, 2016 3:33 PM  

@Nate
The 1950s are just about as opposite from Traditional as it could possibly have been. Traditionalists don't pine over the 1950s. That's the older generation of Conservatives. They were superseded by Jack Kemp Economic Conservatives in the 1980s.

Anonymous Philipp May 26, 2016 3:33 PM  

“Limited government is an English/American concept”, which the Germans never got. The reason is geography.
England is located on an island and its only neighbour with a land border (Scotland) is too weak to defeat and occupy it. The Channel and the Royal Navy defended England from an invasion by other powers. England was only invaded twice in over 1,000 years (the Normans in 1066 and the Dutch in 1688/89). Thus the English state could afford itself the luxury of not having a standing army. No wonder the English could come with the concept of limited government. In geopolitical terms, the United States is an island too. Neither Mexico nor Canada have ever been a threat.
Compare that with the situation of the German states and later Germany. Germany has no natural borders. Its rivers do not offer protection (not even the Rhine). German states were invaded many times. A German state needed to have a strong standing army and if its army was not strong enough, then it lost wars and parts of its territory if not its existence as independent state. Forcing your ruler then you accept limited government, which meant that parliament decide about taxation, meant risking losing wars because of not enough money for the army. No wonder the Germans had no use for the principle of limited government.
Ironically, the English are actually Germans. The one group of invaders who came in big enough numbers to leave a huge mark in the genetic composition of the United Kingdom were the Anglo-Saxons, who were Germanic tribes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 26, 2016 3:37 PM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:...which usually ended up with a lot of people being burned at the stake.
Try this,
"...which usually preached rebellion against both Church and State, and whose leaders often wound up hanged, or occasionally burned at the stake, by secular authorities."

Anonymous Athor Pel May 26, 2016 3:40 PM  

" Blogger VD May 26, 2016 11:32 AM
...
You've been fed a lie, John. It's simply not true. The "proposition nation" is a 19th century myth concocted by foreigners and embraced by immigrants to enhance their status."


And American Exceptionalism is functionally an idol, a dangerous exercise in pride.

Blogger VD May 26, 2016 4:06 PM  

Dreher is correct: better faithful Christian mixed race grandchildren, than white SJW ones.

You are not guaranteed Christian grandchildren regardless.

I actually know people with oodles of melanin who are pro-Western Civ.

The vast majority of whom are entirely incapable of maintaining it. Many of you don't seem to understand the problem has precisely NOTHING to do with what you like or believe, and everything to do with fundamental capabilities that primarily stem from genetics.

You cannot train people with 90 IQs to be effective engineers or surgeons. Or even medical doctors.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 26, 2016 4:45 PM  

@186

Try this,
"...which usually preached rebellion against both Church and State, and whose leaders often wound up hanged, or occasionally burned at the stake, by secular authorities."


Yeah sure. The State and the Church were usually joined at the hip. Before he split with the Roman Catholic Church Henry VIII wrote a well-regarded missive denouncing Lutheranism. And even after the split it was regarded as heresy by the Church of England.

Nonetheless, the Roman Catholic Church was corrupt and needed reformation. Nobody, not even the current Roman Catholic Church, denies this.



Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 26, 2016 4:52 PM  

If your the 2nd or 3rd son of a Baron who has spent good money so you can become a bishop and siphon off the revenues of the Church land you now control, often without even bothering to go that land or appoint priests or do anything other than use the money to drink and whore, then you are probably going to be inclined to condemn reformers as heretics and turn them over to the secular authorities for execution.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 May 26, 2016 5:09 PM  

Forget the Constitutionalists?
Sorry, At high school graduation I signed on with the originalists, made the commitment to abide,
rather than leave. I'll (generally) continue living my life that way.
Why, yes it DOES occasionally involve dismissing "subsequent reinterpretations" of what the definition of the word "IS" is.
CaptDMO

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 26, 2016 5:13 PM  

John C. Wright
During the Reformation, the areas where Christianity was introduced late, and had evidently not yet taken deep root, England and Germany, produced a rebellion against Western Civilization, and in favor of individual conscience.

John Calvin attended the Sorbonne, in Paris France. The Reformation was as much French as Central European. History is quite clear on that.

Ignorance combined with arrogance is not a Christian virtue.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 26, 2016 5:14 PM  

John C. Wright
During the Reformation, the areas where Christianity was introduced late, and had evidently not yet taken deep root, England and Germany, produced a rebellion against Western Civilization, and in favor of individual conscience.

John Calvin attended the Sorbonne, in Paris France. The Reformation was as much French as Central European. History is quite clear on that.

Ignorance combined with arrogance is not a Christian virtue.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 26, 2016 5:27 PM  

Philipp wrote:England is located on an island and its only neighbour with a land border (Scotland) is too weak to defeat and occupy it.

Stuart dynasty.

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:Nonetheless, the Roman Catholic Church was corrupt and needed reformation.

Never denied it. The Catholic Churs was and in fact still is corrupt.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 26, 2016 5:32 PM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:Nonetheless, the Roman Catholic Church was corrupt and needed reformation.

Try again.
Any institution staffed with men is going to be corrupt. Indulgences in theory are not contrary to Christian thought. Indulgences in practice were thoroughly corrupt and needed to be severely curtailed or abandoned. Which in fact they were, eventually.
Yet, somehow, the Catholic Church remains faithful to Christ. She, unlike the sons of the reformers, still denounces divorce, Birth Control and Abortion.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 26, 2016 5:33 PM  

Jean Cauvin and Martin Luther had almost nothing in common aside from fanatical hatred of the Catholic Church.

Blogger Lovekraft May 26, 2016 5:52 PM  

What to do about the legions of atheists and libertarians in our tribe who do nothing but obfuscate and interfere...

Anonymous Rhetoric Man May 26, 2016 6:00 PM  

"The answer for those who support Western civilization, regardless of sex, color, or religion, is to embrace white tribalism, white separatism, and especially white Christian masculine rule."

That's not an answer, that's a command. Thanks, but no thanks. White people can make their own political, economic, and moral decisions. Western Civilization, who even talks that way among the mainstream?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 26, 2016 6:06 PM  

@196

What?

Yes, Luther was clearly motivated by fanatical hatred of the Roman Catholic Church.

Its indisputable.

Anyway, I'm not saying that the Roman Catholic Church is unique in its corruption. However, it does annoy me when its adherents bring up the reformation and act as if the whole thing was done on a whim. As if the reformers woke up on morning and thought, "hey lets break from a Church we were raised in from infancy and has lasted 1500 or so years even though doing so will place us in great physical danger because that would be tot kicks."

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