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Tuesday, May 03, 2016

Vegetable totalitarians

Don't feel bad about cutting a vegan out of your life if he ceases to mind his own business and starts preaching. They're an SJW cult, they're not just people who happen to prefer to different food.
L.A.'s vegan vortex has angrily turned on the most prominent vegan restaurant group in town this week as word has spread that its owners are not just eating meat but raising and slaughtering animals at the working farm where they live in Northern California.

Matthew and Terces Engelhart, the husband-and-wife proprietors of favored entertainment industry haunt Cafe Gratitude, tell The Hollywood Reporter they've been receiving death threats as part of a quickly growing, internet-bred campaign against them. It has also spawned a deluge of one-star reviews on their local outposts' respective Yelp pages, a boycott group on Facebook that tallies 571 members at press time and plans now underway for a protest at the Larchmont Village location on Friday at 7 p.m.

"People have taken up the mob mentality," says Matthew. "It saddens me that the choices we made in the privacy of our home would lead people to feel so betrayed that it's elevated to threats on our lives. I'm very discouraged."

The trouble began last week when animal rights activists discovered and then widely circulated a 14-month-old blog post written by Terces on the Engelharts' Be Love Farm website, which mixed an announcement of their transition back into a meat diet again after nearly 40 years of vegetarianism (they had been vegan since 2003) with posted pictures of strained beef broth and a freezer full of pastured beef from their own dairy cows. Matthew tells THR they have kept chickens on the farm for seven years "for eggs only," along with the cows for five years for milk, cheese and butter that's for sale. (He claims they've "harvested," or slaughtered, several cows in total and never sold the meat, only shared it with "our friends, neighbors and community.")

The news has come as a shock to many vegans, who have been regular customers of the restaurants and claim the Engelharts have built their brand on not just serving vegan food but clearly wrapping themselves in the righteousness of the vegan cause — which they argue has now been undermined. "The reason we're so upset is that veganism is a belief system," says Carrie Christianson, who started the Facebook boycott group. "You are patronizing a restaurant that you think has that philosophy, and it turns out it doesn't. Vegans should know that this restaurant has a farm that slaughters animals."
"Veganism is a belief system." That's really all you need to know. It's a secular religion. Since you are what to eat, my belief system says vegans are vegetables and should be treated accordingly.

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106 Comments:

Blogger Fatherless May 03, 2016 3:13 PM  

How humanitarian of you!

Blogger Sevron May 03, 2016 3:16 PM  

I'd hate these people less if you didn't see a story every year or so where one of these fuckos starved their baby to death on their retarded diet. Fuck's sake, have some self esteem and just cut your dicks off and scream about how you hate your dad, fucking vegetarian/vegan.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 03, 2016 3:17 PM  

"...my belief system says vegans are vegetables and should be treated accordingly."

Well, they certainly would TASTE like vegetables...bland, overcooked ones. Be sure to follow with a generous chaser of Pepto-Bismol.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 03, 2016 3:17 PM  

Oh yeah? I'm a vegetable rights activist, and the wholesale slaughter of living vegetables will not go unnoticed or unaccounted for!

VEGETABLE RIGHTS MATTER

Blogger #7139 May 03, 2016 3:24 PM  

After reading a story like this, I think I should go to a steakhouse and order a medium rare ribeye.

Anonymous Eduardo May 03, 2016 3:24 PM  

Heh Vox... Let's have a Vegetable walk somehwere XD?

Comeeeee on, I know you wanna be dressed as a narcissistic tomato!

But just imagine, we are dressed as vegetable and we ALL order: MEAT! That is right vegetable eate meat! Which is technically true somewhay, a dead animal is good for the magical dirt, and good for the vegetables.

I mean it would be fun... I will be dressed as a cabbage, yes!

#VeggieCarnivour

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 03, 2016 3:33 PM  

#VeganismIsaCult

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook May 03, 2016 3:36 PM  

Guess that makes me a people person.

Blogger Happy Housewife May 03, 2016 3:37 PM  

These are the same people who claim that raising a child in the church is child abuse. Why do the mentally ill always get a platform?

OpenID denektenorsk May 03, 2016 3:39 PM  

Death threats from the "meat is murder" crowd... what more is there to say?

I'd hate these people less if you didn't see a story every year or so where one of these fuckos starved their baby to death on their retarded diet. Fuck's sake, have some self esteem and just cut your dicks off and scream about how you hate your dad, fucking vegetarian/vegan.

Or their pets.

On a related note the White Moose in Dublin had the same thing happen last year. The owner decided to troll the vegans: http://cheezburger.com/667397/facebook-fight-of-the-day-irish-cafe-declares-war-on-vegans-hilarity-ensues

I would have never ever heard of the place otherwise. Now, if I am ever in Dublin I need to go see the piles of dead vegans.

Blogger tz May 03, 2016 3:39 PM  

Persistent vegetative state.

Anonymous meat eater 57 May 03, 2016 3:39 PM  

It is very much a cult. The sane ones go back to vegetarianism or conscious meat consumption, like the victims in this story.

And 'sane' is an apt description; your brain is mostly made of fat, something vegans don't consume much of. They landed on their diet by vain philosophy and over emphatic feel goods and the diet itself likely hampers their thinking.

Veganism works well as a detox diet but long term its not sufficient for growth or good health. They're often skinny, but rarely healthy looking.

OpenID denektenorsk May 03, 2016 3:40 PM  

Sorry, he's the manager, not the owner.

Anonymous Roundtine May 03, 2016 3:40 PM  

Plants are alive too, and they scream when they are killed. We can't hear it because our ears cannot detect their frequency. To not kill animals, but kill plants, is a sick form of speciesism. It's like the animals are the uberspezies, and the plants are the unterspezies. Hitler was a vegetarian too! Think about that! He killed Jews and plants. Vegans are halfway to another Shoah.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 03, 2016 3:40 PM  

Wife and I were on the way home just a few minutes ago, chatting about various cultures that while momentarily favoured by accidents of history, if deprived of external enemies, turn on each other and reduce themselves steadily back to the irrelevance they so thoroughly deserve.

I'd say this is another in that category.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 03, 2016 3:41 PM  

These fruit loops are useful idiots like all the rest of them. Meat is a high income White thing, so I'd see it mostly as a Race or Economic issue really. This rubbish about food scarcity is Third World doggerel. We should immediately end all aid to Hellholes like Africa and let Nature take its course. The Malthusian Nightmare comes in dark colors and only Whites seem to be limiting themselves and in their case needlessly. The "Christian" charity is NOW OVER. Let them sink or swim. The Vegans and the Globulists can SUCK IT.
Let the Third World recycle sewage, and eat insects. The White Man can feed his kind to overflowing, and throw the rest to his dogs and cats. Let the dark meat eat the veggies. They have heads like lettuce anyway.

Blogger tz May 03, 2016 3:42 PM  

You mean if I die without carnage I won't get 72 vegans from Gaia?

Blogger tz May 03, 2016 3:45 PM  

@ME57 - The 7th Day Adventists are lacto-ovo vegetarians at least so avoid the heroin addict look, but they have some experience in balancing their diets too.

I prefer the indirect approach. Cows eat grass, I eat cows.

Anonymous Elipe May 03, 2016 3:48 PM  

10/10 Would murder cows with the canine teeth God blessed me with again.

Blogger kurt9 May 03, 2016 3:49 PM  

The vegans said it themselves..veganism is a belief system, nothing more. Having owned a coffee shop that served sandwiches in the "bohemian" part of the city I live in (with many vegans to boot), I definitely concur with Vox that veganism is a cult and should be treated as one.

Blogger Dave May 03, 2016 3:52 PM  

Death threats are never cool but in this case would be deserved for calling their 2 acre yard the "be love farm"

Blogger Alexander May 03, 2016 3:54 PM  

Vegans are just butthurt that they've got no chili.

Anonymous kfg May 03, 2016 3:56 PM  

"Cows eat grass, I eat cows."

Cows, while herbivorous, are not even vegetarian, never mind vegan.

"The 7th Day Adventists are lacto-ovo vegetarians . . ."

. . . but there is a special place in Hell for Kellogg for convincing so many people that cardboard is food.

Blogger CarpeOro May 03, 2016 3:56 PM  

Color me surprised. No, not really. Being a vegan is one of the early warning signs of insanity and unreasonableness. Vegetarians can at least be talked with and you can live with their choices as long as they don't effect you. Vegans not so much.

Blogger Dave May 03, 2016 3:56 PM  

Death threats from the "meat is murder" crowd...


Meat is murder...tasty, tasty, murder.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 03, 2016 3:57 PM  

Vegans have no right to eat vegetables. Their smug insistence that they do is only evidence of their white privilege. Who the hell do they think PICKS their vegetables?

There is no place in a civilized society for vegans.

Anonymous Somewhat OT May 03, 2016 4:01 PM  

Say...speaking of boycotts, I spent the day making a Target meme for anyone to use. It's easy to guess the inspiration.

safe space as rape room

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 03, 2016 4:02 PM  

This reminds me of when the breatheairians found out their cult leader was supplementing his 100% air diet with hamburgers and Snickers bars.

That ended well.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 03, 2016 4:08 PM  

@tz & ME57

There are also plenty of unhealthy meat-eaters around. It doesn't matter what or how you eat, you still have to apply some intelligence and sense to the question to reach a healthy conclusion.

Many SDAs are stupidly fanatical about not eating meat. OTOH, the SDAs around Loma Linda are one of only three "blue zones" where inhabitants long outlast the average life expectancy of those around them.

And unlike the other two, their life expectancy is increasing as they diverge further from the common "western" diet, while the other two are reducing as they converge with the common western diet.

But in general, nonetheless, I'd say your observations are pretty solid.

Blogger Markku May 03, 2016 4:09 PM  

claim the Engelharts have built their brand on not just serving vegan food but clearly wrapping themselves in the righteousness of the vegan cause

This has the ring of truth to me. If the owners indeed were quick to shout "meat is murder!" while they were vegans, then my reaction to this is "tee-hee-hee-hee..."

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 03, 2016 4:10 PM  

People tend to become vegans for three main reasons:

1. Animal rights
2. Environment
3. Health

Vegans in the third category tend to be somewhat normal but forget the first two.


Blogger Aeoli Pera May 03, 2016 4:11 PM  

Alexander wrote:Vegans are just butthurt that they've got no chili.

Well played.

I was going to do a whiny rejoinder about using tofu but it was making me sad and I had to stop.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 03, 2016 4:11 PM  

Somewhat OT:

You can't just say "Rape Rooms", for fuck's sake.

You have to call them something like:

"Early Childhood Experiential Enrichment and Gender Diversity Opportunities."

Got to get as many positive sounding vibes in there as you can.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 03, 2016 4:13 PM  

Joe Rogan did a good bit on vegans.

OpenID anonymos-coward May 03, 2016 4:18 PM  

"Veganism" is a standard ascetic practice, found in all human cultures and religions.

However, practicing an ascetic lifestyle without the corresponding spiritual framework is either insanity or demon-worship in disguise.

Anonymous kfg May 03, 2016 4:18 PM  

@#8601 Jean Valjean

Feminism is also now one of the main reasons.

No, really. Women are oppressed, animals are oppressed, ergo animals are women, or . . . something.

And my above point about the cows was in part addressed to the people who go vegan for health reasons.

Hell, as has been alluded to already, not even the grass the cows eat is vegan.

OpenID denektenorsk May 03, 2016 4:25 PM  

Alexander wrote:
Vegans are just butthurt that they've got no chili.


They may also be butthurt after particularly spicy chili too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 03, 2016 4:29 PM  

Virtue signaling for good white people who are better than bad white people

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 03, 2016 4:30 PM  

Those veganmen are just hoping that a space raptor invades them in the butthurt with a carrot.

CHILI IS REAL.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab May 03, 2016 4:36 PM  

Vegans cannot be true Buckaroos. They cannot GET HARD. MEAT WINS!

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 03, 2016 4:39 PM  

denektenorsk wrote:They may also be butthurt after particularly spicy chili too.
Hey, that's the one kind of butthurt I'm happy to have!  It means the salsa was REALLY good.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume May 03, 2016 4:40 PM  

So, an alternative headline might be...Vegans eat their own?

Blogger Matthew and the Heaving Bosoms of Liberty May 03, 2016 4:43 PM  

Leftism is pharisaism.

Anonymous NateM May 03, 2016 4:43 PM  

At least they can take comfort that after the murder these lunatics won't eat them

Blogger rumpole5 May 03, 2016 4:43 PM  

From the point in time that our first big brained forefathers came into being, nothing about us could ever be truly natural again. Tools and fire and organized thought and directed behavior change us, the physical world around us, and the animals with which we interact. Trying to get back to some perfect lifestyle is a waste of time, because the nature of our bodies, of our animals, the climate, and the general environment is so altered that there is no going back. Moreover, they long for an existence that contradicts our original basic nature. These Vegan folks are complete fools who obviously cannot see the canine teeth in the mirror when they do the morning brush.

Blogger Sam Lively May 03, 2016 4:47 PM  

"my belief system says vegans are vegetables and should be treated accordingly"

Avoided at all costs? Eaten as a last resort?

Anonymous Somewhat OT May 03, 2016 4:48 PM  

But Ahazuerus, you've got your short, sharp shock technique to consider. Imagine a fence sitter seeing it on Twitface. She scoffs because she wants to stop after work for a set of Vera Wang melamine plates. Upon entering the blood red interior of the Target the shocking phrase, "rape room" pops into her head, which sounds so much like "redrum." And it just keeps getting louder and louder, "rape-room, RAPE-room, RAPE ROOM!"

Blogger Rabbi B May 03, 2016 4:49 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B May 03, 2016 4:50 PM  

- Vegetarian -

Origin: L. "bad hunter" . . .

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 03, 2016 4:55 PM  

@kfg and men become vegans for the same reason they become feminists.

To get chicks.

Blogger Chiva May 03, 2016 5:00 PM  

"my belief system says vegans are vegetables and should be treated accordingly

Avoided at all costs? Eaten as a last resort?"

No. Mown down and composted! Save the planet, stay green.

Anonymous FP May 03, 2016 5:07 PM  

"demon-worship in disguise."

Heh, see the youtube channel VeganGains for proof of that. The Vegan body builders are hilarious.

Anonymous Uncle Maffoo May 03, 2016 5:11 PM  

This is literally among the Stuff White People Like.

Blogger FALPhil May 03, 2016 5:13 PM  

@14 Roundtine
To not kill animals, but kill plants, is a sick form of speciesism.

"Veganism is a sick form of speciesism." We should all tweet that at least once.

Anonymous Clay May 03, 2016 5:14 PM  

OT...but, I hope tonite will be the last time I have to see Cruz's pasty-faced, Doris Dowling look-alike face. Except, I think Doris had a better make-up artist.

He still gives me the creeps.

Anonymous kfg May 03, 2016 5:19 PM  

It is not mere speciesism. It is kingdomism.

And I ask, in what way is kingdomism morally superior to mere speciesism?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 03, 2016 5:24 PM  

"Color me surprised. No, not really. Being a vegan is one of the early warning signs of insanity and unreasonableness. Vegetarians can at least be talked with and you can live with their choices as long as they don't effect you. Vegans not so much."

Hmm... explains those Vegan Jihadists I've met who also insist bathing more than once or twice a week is an unnecessary evil of patriarchal western civilization.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 03, 2016 5:28 PM  

Virtue Signalling

Blogger George May 03, 2016 5:30 PM  

I can't believe we got 55 comments and no one brought up the Arrogant Worms classic "Carrot Juice is Murder".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

Blogger Bill May 03, 2016 5:43 PM  

Just because it's awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAAp_luluo0

Blogger Were-Puppy May 03, 2016 5:52 PM  

@46 Somewhat OT

"redrum." And it just keeps getting louder and louder, "rape-room, RAPE-room, RAPE ROOM!"
---

The best Target meme I have seen so far is the pic of Nicholson from the Shining poking his head in that door.

The caption said, "Where's the ladies room"

LOL

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 03, 2016 5:53 PM  

So, if Brandon Eich had been vegan…nah, not good enough…vegan-crossdresser?

The virtue-signalling-credit exchange rate system sure is complicated.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx May 03, 2016 5:53 PM  

#7139 wrote:After reading a story like this, I think I should go to a steakhouse and order a medium rare ribeye.


Reading this comment caused an instant response from my salivary glands. Really.

Blogger Scott C May 03, 2016 5:58 PM  

Vegans like to ignore or disregard animal psychology. They'll talk about how "the science" supports the health benefits of a vegan diet, but they ignore what science says about animal behavior. They assume that cow behavior can be analogized to human behavior, e.g. cows who try jump over a fence in a slaughterhouse are trying to escape the slaughterhouse. Animal psychologists do not make those assumptions. You need evidence to say something like that. Vegans don't take these as hypotheses; they actually believe that livestock have the mental concepts of humans.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 03, 2016 6:07 PM  

``Vegans don't take these as hypotheses; they actually believe that livestock have the mental concepts of humans.''

They're almost correct: livestock have the mental concepts of vegans. They aren't sentient, so we can eat them with a clear conscience.

No election results thread? Or is it a done deal?

Blogger Were-Puppy May 03, 2016 6:08 PM  

I like how they were triggered by strained beef broth.
Seriously.

ROFLMAO!

Blogger Were-Puppy May 03, 2016 6:09 PM  

Ominous Cowherd
No election results thread? Or is it a done deal?
--

Maybe he forgot or hasn't put it up yet

Blogger Roger G2 May 03, 2016 6:09 PM  

"The reason we're so upset is...."

This says it all about the vegan mob. Full-on SJW's, each and every one who's "upset."

Anonymous JAG May 03, 2016 6:25 PM  

I think we are getting to the point where the next phase in the culture war is start punching these assholes in the face. They are cowards, and thus the mob activities they prefer. I'm to the point where I will gladly do a weekend in jail for breaking the nose of the next SJW that can't leave me alone.

Anonymous Ain May 03, 2016 6:29 PM  

"who have been regular customers of the restaurants and claim the Engelharts have built their brand on not just serving vegan food but clearly wrapping themselves in the righteousness of the vegan cause"

If this is true, I don't see the problem with the truth coming out. Maybe the vegans just assumed they were one of them, but if they really were talking the talk to religious zealots, they were playing with fire.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 03, 2016 6:33 PM  

anonymos-coward wrote:"Veganism" is a standard ascetic practice, found in all human cultures and religions.

However, practicing an ascetic lifestyle without the corresponding spiritual framework is either insanity or demon-worship in disguise.

A nun does not demand that everyone renounce marriage.
A hermit does not demand that everyone become a hermit.
A monk does not demand that everyone live in silent contemplation.

Blogger Doom May 03, 2016 6:34 PM  

If I find out someone is vegan... be they YouTube guru on some topic, star, singer, or other, I dump. I don't wait for their cunt whine, I just dump and never look back. One just recently went left and I dropped connections so fast... Then again, my connections are rather thin. I don't join, I don't follow, I don't friend, I don't do none of it. I either visit or not. If more is required, as a general rule unless their is some quid pro quo, I walk. And I haven't seen quid pro quo since I was employed... if, at that time, the quid sucked. It's paid for itself over time, but not because they have played fair ball or meant it to. I'd be dead if their efforts had been honestly fruitful. So...

Anonymous I like big brauts May 03, 2016 6:39 PM  

#VegatableLivesMatter

What if they just identify as vegans. Maybe vegan-fluid, eating meat or not as they'd prefer. If it works for determining the sex of a person why not?

Blogger GracieLou May 03, 2016 6:39 PM  

Save a horse, punch an asshole! (Of the social justice, horse punching, child pepper spraying, old man slapping variety).

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 03, 2016 6:48 PM  

To quote the founder of the original PETA (People who Eat Tasty Animals):

If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

Wasn't everyone's favorite Reichskanzler a vegetarian?? Or, is that just an internet rumor spread by the SJWs running Wikipedia?

Blogger Akulkis May 03, 2016 6:57 PM  

@6

"
I mean it would be fun... I will be dressed as a cabbage, yes!"

I always wanted to be a turnip. In college, as an engineering student, I was even able to achieve the same social status as a turnip.

Blogger bob k. mando May 03, 2016 7:14 PM  

63. Ominous Cowherd May 03, 2016 6:07 PM
No election results thread? Or is it a done deal?



what's coming in so far shows the Donald getting near 50% in all districts. however, several haven't reported anything as yet.

7th ( Indianapolis ) and 1st ( Gary ) are amongst those not yet reporting anything, so it's all still up in the air.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/?state=nwa


in other news, i got a nice little Trumpenkopf SS tattoo.

Anonymous BGKB May 03, 2016 7:26 PM  

What I think are funny are the vegan lesbians that will still eat fish. The ones in the story expect you to put a cow in the nursing home when it dries up. The only plants that have essential fatty acids like Purslane are mucusy.

original PETA (People who Eat Tasty Animals)

You can buys shirts with that one it.

People tend to become vegans for three main reasons:1. Animal rights2. Environment3. Health

To piss off their parents when coming out as a lesbian didn't have enough fireworks.

Blogger Cloudswrest May 03, 2016 7:46 PM  

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13151394_10154212061942193_8258600245896148454_n.jpg?oh=ca7cbe3ddd68ee6e94aeebf08bd91dd2&oe=579FB224

Blogger pyrrhus May 03, 2016 7:49 PM  

The humorous part is that veganism is by no means healthy, since it's difficult to get enough protein and minerals on such a diet....even worse for men, who need much more protein.

Anonymous Philalethes May 03, 2016 7:55 PM  

If these people catered to the cult aspect of "veganism" (I dislike that word, sounds like somebody from a distant star?) – which I'd guess you could hardly avoid doing if running a "vegan" restaurant – then it seems inarguable they asked for what they're getting. Going apostate is never regarded kindly in any religion.

One day in 1965 I was watching a parade, and happened to catch the eye of a mistreated horse; I could feel the pain in there. That day I went vegetarian, and began a lifelong study of nutrition and experimentation. Eighteen years later, I became very ill – not, I believe, due to not eating meat, but other factors in my life – and realized (with the help of my Chinese doctor) that I could not recover on a vegetable diet, so began eating meat again.

So I've seen both sides, and am not inclined to be doctrinaire on the subject. Not only are people very attached to their nutritive habits, but people are simply different – often very different – in their needs, and in their needs at different times of life. Sometime in the late 90s I discovered the work of Dr. Peter J. D'Adamo and his Blood Type Diet, which seems to make some sense – at least a lot of people report being helped by it. Turns out that with O+ blood, in his scheme I require meat (and am better off avoiding dairy and grains) for optimum health – while those with the later developed A and B types should have a much easier time forgoing flesh foods.

I have a vegan friend (born in Denmark), 67 years old, who told me he was overweight and in terrible health until about 40, when he began to study health, changed his diet, got into exercising, etc. He's thin, but seems quite healthy – he runs (and wins) marathons, barefoot (with thin sheets of plastic tied to his feet to guard against broken glass), and indeed goes without shoes and dresses lightly year-round, including our sometimes 20° winter days. He's occasionally tried to push the ideology on me, but I tell him I've been there and know all about it, and if it works for him, that's great, but not for me.

I've come to the conclusion that the distinction between animals and plants in regard to diet is a matter of sentiment, rather than fact. Which is not to say that the sentiment is invalid, or should be ignored; but as a matter of feeling, it is entirely personal, and not to be projected onto others. All living beings, whether animal or plant (or whatever) desire to survive (why do roses have thorns?), and suffer when killed. The difference for us is only that we can empathize with (some) animals, while we are simply unaware of the suffering of other beings. Plants can survive on sunlight, water, air, soil; but animals (such as Homo sap) must take the lives of other living beings. The response to that awareness can only be an individual decision, but there's certainly no place for a holier-than-thou attitude because another person eats different kinds of living beings than you do.

The Buddhist response, understanding that we cannot be alive in this world without causing or benefiting from others suffering, is to do our best to keep it to a minimum – while we seek to find the complete end of suffering, as the Buddha did. Thus I would return to vegetarian practice if I could, but for now at least I know I cannot – and the natural order being what it is, I don't see the sense of destroying my own health (which would be suffering) to avoid causing suffering.

Blogger SteelPalm May 03, 2016 8:05 PM  

As has been pointed out by many, veganism leads to a deficiency in many essential nutrients (B12 being just one) without the proper supplementation.

This leads to ill health effects in general. It's particularly bad for women, who can lose their period and experience significant hair loss.

But it also leads to negative mental health effects.

And this is on clear display. A popular vegan Youtuber like "Freelee the Banana Girl" made a video talking about whether one should exterminate all the world's meat-eating population.

Imagine that, will you? An army of frail, weak, pathetic sissies marching on to a battlefield to take on all the normal people of society.

It would be even more lopsided than the race war so many black supremacists keep agitating for.

Blogger SteelPalm May 03, 2016 8:09 PM  

@73

Yes, Hitler was a vegetarian. Not a vegan, but a vegetarian.

There were glowing articles from numerous European and American magazines from 1933-1939, including "Life", talking about Hitler's strict moral vegetarianism and deep concern for animal rights.

Blogger MATT May 03, 2016 8:38 PM  

As a very large, blue collar yankee right winger vegetarian. ..well i just shouldn't exist.

Anonymous Eduardo May 03, 2016 9:04 PM  

Akulkis

In my university we say that you got a turnip if you fail at a test. So I am very happy to see a turnip XD. We need a carrot... Lettuce...potato and a PUMPKIN.

MATT

Well you are a strange animal.
Actually I met a person on a game forum, yankee, right wing, vegetarian and atheist. So maybe there is a new demand out there for extremes!!!

Anonymous No Comment May 03, 2016 9:09 PM  

Something I wondered about the other day, but do vegans support abortions? And if so, what's their reasoning there?

Anonymous bw May 03, 2016 9:37 PM  

Agenda 21 has something enshrined in it concerning this "belief".

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 03, 2016 10:15 PM  

Excellent post,

Returning to proteins changed my life for better, I was very, very wrong. All thanks to those around here graciously restated the issue with me until it was plain as day. Thank you.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 03, 2016 10:17 PM  

Sugar is the damned enemy not glucose the HFCS, the real death cult are the certifiably insane SJWs.

Anonymous Jay Will May 03, 2016 10:47 PM  

Excessive love of animals correlates with excessive hate of humans.

One cannot hope to embrace life without also embracing suffering. To be present in the moment one must entertain the horrible truth that everything that matters to you is so fragile, and can be lost at any moment. Vegans are there with the nihilist life deniers, and totalitarians. They can't face anything that draws attention to the suffering. Their need to control is because they can't handle pain. Progress in this sense becomes the end of suffering.

A vote for progress is a vote for the abolition of suffering. But to really live one must be open to the suffering and live life aware that it will always be there and has to be accepted.

Ive never lived. I am a neurotic totalitarian and just cannot let go. Teach your children how to embrace pain and suffering and not let them become life deniers.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 03, 2016 11:10 PM  

Jay Will:

"One cannot hope to embrace life without also embracing suffering. To be present in the moment one must entertain the horrible truth that everything that matters to you is so fragile, and can be lost at any moment."

Helpful.

Similar to hurt, or is suffering = hurt, rather, is complex endurance, per the rules of the blog all I can say is every breath and day I am granted I am so thankful but the geriatric stress and obvious continual statistically existent suffering is painful, push and pull through it. Statesiders have a issue with their hypnotic stress, moral awfulness, political anarchy and econo depression/repression along with denial of reality, its partly a SJW DSM matter equates to living under madness...

Then my earthly Captain says, (dad is sick) he prays for death, I accept this and ask the Lord to take him home, the suffering is surreal. Captain, Dad tells me "the word of God requires me to opt for contentment and smiling, knowing and accepting age, decline and death."

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 03, 2016 11:38 PM  

Markku has it so hilarious: The meat is murder crowd are just complicado - like non or no communication there at all.

One time it was acutally said that I am metaphysically doomed for eating decent tasty turkey. Also I am doomed for knowing how to hunt, cut, gut and cook. Really.

It took progressive counseling from others here a long time ago to de-learn this bad programming, utterly questionable programming.

Blogger haus frau May 04, 2016 12:25 AM  

If you feed a rabbit or a cow nothing but raw meat I predict it would starve death. They are obligate herbivores. They simply don't recognize meat as a food. I have never heard one of these vegans explain why omnivorism eating is the standard in all human societies if we are really only designed to eat plants.

Blogger Rez Zircon May 04, 2016 1:08 AM  

Veganism is worse than a cult; it's designed (and I do think deliberately so) with the goal of human extinction: It is not possible to raise normal healthy children on a vegan diet; if conception occurs at all, the child will be stunted and mentally retarded, and may die in childhood.

Interesting research on women who took up vegetarianism because in their middle years meat suddenly "smells bad" -- turns out they all had estrogen deficiency. Certain plants (notably soy and flaxseed) contain large quantities of plant estrogens, which can more or less substitute (but with long-term negative effects, since phytoestrogen is a thyroid inhibitor, which in turn reduces production of sex hormones). Basically, vegetarianism is an instinctive attempt to self-medicate a hormone deficiency.

Consider the male vegetarian, and shudder.

Anonymous foo May 04, 2016 1:21 AM  

vegetarian != vegan

vegetarian == milk is core part of diet, many also eat unfertilized eggs (i.e. regular eggs) and many eat fish. any animal derived food is ok, as long as it's not the actual meat.

vegan == no milk, no animal product at all.

vegetarian == 5000 years of history, in many different parts of the world.
vegan == 30 years of USA only history.

Blogger Eric Slate May 04, 2016 1:46 AM  

When you really want to know how consistent a vegan is, simply ask what they have done to end the killing of the preborn humans. If the answer comes back as a nothing or not much, you can remind them that all innocent lives are worth protecting. Those who remain pro choice show their true colors as being against humans rather than for life.

Blogger Eric Slate May 04, 2016 1:47 AM  

When you really want to know how consistent a vegan is, simply ask what they have done to end the killing of the preborn humans. If the answer comes back as a nothing or not much, you can remind them that all innocent lives are worth protecting. Those who remain pro choice show their true colors as being against humans rather than for life.

Blogger Shimshon May 04, 2016 3:40 AM  

Looks like this should provide lots of new additions to SJWList.

A hard-core animal rights activist was in my group of friends in college (I'm pretty sure she had connections to ALF, but she was pretty discreet about it, thankfully). She was insanely loudmouthed, always inserting her views into nearly any conversation she was a part of, and (surprise!) extremely fat. Not only is she still fat today, she is so fat I don't know how she even gets out of her home. I think losing 100 pounds would just be considered a good start. Too bad she didn't make the connection that a strictly vegetarian diet is bad for you.

Blogger Jack Morrow May 04, 2016 5:04 AM  

The subject of dietary hypocrisy reminds me of this song from 40 years ago.

Is it true that Prince was a vegan?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 04, 2016 6:22 AM  

Mr. Foo, those aren't vegetarians they're poor. Meat is a luxury that only people who do not have a cabbage for a head can afford. Its not fair, but neither is life. Of course, if life was fair everyone would have the same standards and have to work.

Blogger Lobo Util May 04, 2016 7:43 AM  

I absolutely believe in being a vegan vegetarian. Check the ingredients. Oreos are vegan vegetarian. That is a good enough recommendation for me.

On a side note, the nation with the highest rate of vegetarians, India, also has the highest rate of diabetes. It isn't the vegetarian diet, it is the refined foods diet that is causing the diabetes in India. In other words, its the Oreos.

Blogger Lobo Util May 04, 2016 7:46 AM  

A family member of mine was vegan from 14 to 40 years old. He gave it up when he was sitting in a vegan café and noticed that all the people there looked unhealthy. There was no spark in their eyes, poor skin tone and skin color. So he sat there a long time and came to the conclusion that being a vegetarian made people low-level sick for life.

Blogger mapster68 May 04, 2016 9:38 AM  

I am s proud member of PETA. By that I mean People for the Eating of Tasty Animals!

Blogger JCclimber May 04, 2016 10:48 AM  

tz wrote:@ME57 - The 7th Day Adventists are lacto-ovo vegetarians at least so avoid the heroin addict look, but they have some experience in balancing their diets too.

Speaking as an Adventist, I have occasionally gone completely vegan. Contrary to the extreme nutrition ignorance on display here, it is the healthiest diet. However, as TZ notes above, only if you know what you're doing and are willing to do what it takes to make sure you get your B vitamins and enough iron in your diet.

And being vegan can be difficult if you're traveling a lot, to the point where it seems like 1/4 of your attention and energy is spent on looking for vegan food. If it is even available.

What irritates me probably more than anything are those who have made veganism into their religion, ESPECIALLY within the church. We are not saved by what we eat, but by Christ, but some people get obsessed on trivia.

Anyway, we keep our own flock of backyard chickens so we have a top quality source of eggs.

For all the butt hurt meat eaters above (perhaps literally, considering your much greater risk of colon cancer), you should consider that the life expectancy on average of those blue zone Adventists is about 10 years longer than yours.

Blogger JCclimber May 04, 2016 10:54 AM  

Back to the original topic. We have occasionally visited a Cafe Gratitude. Bunch of pious A-holes in there, and their food is EXTREMELY over priced. It is a version of virtue-signalling among the effete, limp-wristed neckbearded atheist progressive crowd to eat there.

The two times we visited, we quickly changed our dessert order to "to go" so we could get out of there. I am not at all surprised at their extreme reaction to one of their "leaders" tarnishing their virtue signalling activity of bragging about going to Cafe Gratitude on social media.

Since they have no True virtue in the rest of their lives, virtue signalling is all that helps them stay alive.

I wonder if their anti-depressant medication pills come in gelatin-free capsules?

Anonymous LBFTAYLOR May 05, 2016 1:44 AM  

"For all the butt hurt meat eaters above (perhaps literally, considering your much greater risk of colon cancer), you should consider that the life expectancy on average of those blue zone Adventists is about 10 years longer than yours."

But who wants to live ten extra years without Prime Rib? Not me.

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