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Friday, May 27, 2016

Why Jonah hates Milo

It's not the plot of a new gay teen drama on Nickelodeon, it's merely Caleb Q. Washington explaining the intergenerational conflict within the Right:
Liberal Fascism attacked left-wing identity in its very title and cover. It was an attack that demanded rebuttal by the left. In effect, it benefited from the forces which people like Milo Yiannopoulos and, dare I say it, Donald Trump, have explicitly made use of for their advantage.

If The Tyranny of Cliches had been re-titled, and I’m just spit-balling here, “The Left’s Biggest Lies” with a cartoon of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama dressed as Pinocchio, it might have been more of a success.

Milo Yiannopoulos, on the other hand, has risen to prominence (eclipsing Goldberg’s Twitter follower count this spring) by harnessing these very same forces to his benefit. Milo first came to my attention when he dropped the first supportive piece on GamerGate from any well-known news outlet.

The political genius of this was entirely lost on the rest of the right. Becoming the champion of gamers against the worst elements of the left, he forced people on the left to defend their most despicable elements, stay silent, or join him. It forced the left to fight on its own turf.

He’s done the same thing with the zaniness on college campuses. With his speaking tour, Milo has repeatedly stirred controversy. This has led to forcing people on the left to distance itself from the worst of the craziness in a way no other conservative has done.

Milo has reaped huge dividends from this strategy, both as a proponent for the right, and personally.

So, why is there conflict?

The simple answer is that Jonah and Milo are avatars for each side of the generational schism on the right. While not an old man himself, Jonah is their representative. The old men on the right seek to hold the line in a conflict of attrition with the left over disputed ground. The young men seek to fight on what the left thought was safe turf.

This brings us to the specific conflict today.

There are two groups of people on the right Jonah, and the rest of the old men revile. The first are agitators who knowingly say extreme things aimed to upset the old men. They are getting trolled, and are looking bad as a result. The whole point of the activity is to make the old men angry, and in their anger for them to act in a way that turns people off from them. It’s a classical rhetorical move explained by Aristotle. They seek to inspire anger in their targets and succeed. The other group are simply people who take a more extreme right-wing view than is considered socially acceptable.

The old men and Jonah Goldberg hate these people more than they hate the left, as they seek a monopoly of right wing though, and Milo Yiannopoulos has no interest in condemning them. He even delivers apologia for them.
This also explains why I am on Milo's side, despite being of an age with Jonah. Now, I actually like Jonah. I understand him, and I think his Liberal Fascism was a very good and important book. I even paid homage to it with the cover of SJWs Always Lie.

But being an editor at National Review, Jonah has always been allied with the Old Men of National Review, while I have always been Too Extreme for them despite being identified as the most talented right-wing columnist of my generation by Universal Press Syndicate and being signed as a prospective replacement for William F. Buckley by them.

And wow, did that ever fail!

I am middle-aged, but being a game designer, my heart is with the brash young gamers of #GamerGate, not the aging cuckservatives of National Review. I don't pretend to be with it - I have no idea what the equivalent of early techno in the 1990s might be these days - and considering how long it took me to recover from an intra-club scrimmage with the prima squadra and having to defend 19-year-old wingers, I am VERY aware of my age these days.

But Jonah, Rod Lowry, Rod Dreher, and other 40-somethings need to realize that we are no longer the Young Turks of the Right, and it is time to either get with the #AltRight and support the up-and-coming new guys or wander off into the pastures of political irrelevance.

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Blogger Alexandru May 27, 2016 8:07 AM  

The alt-right is fighting a multidimensional battle and bringing devastation to the enemy while the old guard insists on holding the Maginot Line. I leaned left most of my life, voted for Obama over that claymation character Romney, but now the progressive craziness has opened my eyes to reality.

Blogger Tim May 27, 2016 8:16 AM  

Well, I am an old man I guess, and have always thought of myself as a conservative. Of course, for me that meant I was a follower of William F. Buckley, and of Jerry Pournelle for the past 40 years. Quoting from his blog:
"The problem is that a great number of Americans had just got used to the notion that they were conservative, and they thought they were being conservative in supporting someone who wanted to make America great again, control the borders, stop policing the world (and if we have to keep doing it, get some other beneficiaries of the expenditure of American blood and treasure to start contributing their fair share, a real portion of their GDP not just token amounts), appoint original intent Justices to the Supreme Court — well, you know. Put American interests first. Really. With a realistic foreign policy. And if we have to fight a war, then fight it, with enough force to win and win fast and then get out, the way we always have. Didn’t we do that in four years, going from essentially no army at all, and while we were at it becoming the “arsenal of democracy” whatever that means, and doing that in two years? While coming out of a Depression, for heaven’s sake. But, we’re told, that’s not conservative, that’s something else.

So a lot of people are confused. Having been read out of the conservative movement for being insufficiently enthusiastic about globalism, I didn’t figure I owed any obedience to the label, and apparently there are a lot of Americans who feel the same way. I’d say I was for liberty, but that sounds like a liberal, and I know I’m not part of the liberal movement. Whatever I am, I know that Federal aid to education has been a disaster and we had far better schools when it was left to the states, some of whom competed to have schools run to serve the interests of the students, not the interests of the teachers’ unions. But it’s very much in the interest of the ruling class to have awful schools and to keep the price of good ones high; their kids generally don’t go to public schools anyway.

Remember the Northwest Ordinance? Probably you don’t. Or the Land Grant colleges and universities? Can you recall when public state colleges were essentially free to those qualified to be in them? I suspect nostalgia for those days is reactionary, not conservative.

But I also remember when Detroit was the symbol of productivity, and the enemies of America had the goal ending that."

So, I am voting for Trump, and I am much comforted by the list of prospective USSC justices he put out. I doubt he will make any progress against the bloated Federal Government, but at this point, the only way out from under that ruling class I very much fear involves a lot of bloodshed.

Anonymous mature-Craig May 27, 2016 8:17 AM  

identified as the most talented right-wing columnist of my generation by Universal Press Syndicate and being signed as a prospective replacement for William F. Buckley by them.


well deserved,

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 8:31 AM  

"But Jonah, Rod Lowry, Rod Dreher, and other 40-somethings need to realize that we are no longer the Young Turks of the Right, and it is time to either get with the #AltRight and support the up-and-coming new guys or wander off into the pastures of political irrelevance."

I would disagree with this.

at middle age... its now time to seize power from the aged. Its time for Gen X to start using the accumulated power it has built up over the last 20 years.

And there is a generational aspect here. Part of this could well be the product of Gen X leaders asserting themselves while the boomers still desperately try to cling to power.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker May 27, 2016 8:35 AM  

Jonah is running a debate. Milo and Vox are running an insurgency, and a decentralized one at that.

Milo and Vox are taking the fight directly into the heart of SJW "safe spaces" and are hitting with an effect that strikes older conservatives ("baby boomers") as being nasty and beneath themselves.

There really is a generational gap on the Right. Time and the actuarial tables always favors the younger generation. But the younger generation needs to win its fights convincingly, or the mantle, so to speak, will be lost to them as well.

Blogger Markku May 27, 2016 8:40 AM  

Compare the "regional interest" maps for the three.

THERE'S YER PROBLEM

Anonymous RedJack May 27, 2016 8:40 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:Jonah is running a debate. Milo and Vox are running an insurgency, and a decentralized one at that.

Milo and Vox are taking the fight directly into the heart of SJW "safe spaces" and are hitting with an effect that strikes older conservatives ("baby boomers") as being nasty and beneath themselves.

There really is a generational gap on the Right. Time and the actuarial tables always favors the younger generation. But the younger generation needs to win its fights convincingly, or the mantle, so to speak, will be lost to them as well.


That is because so many on the "right" don't want to take back ground. They just want to be part of the party.

I used to identify myself as conservative, but I reached the point where I couldn't justify it. What is the movement trying to do? It was an endless rear guard motion, which then tried to defend the same issues it once tried to stop.

Trump isn't the dangerous one. He is but a harbinger, much like Sanders. Crassus and the Gracchi were the forerunners of Caesar. I feel we have yet to see the one who will end the trappings of the dying republic.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 27, 2016 8:40 AM  

What irks me about this is the not-so-subtle message that Milo is simply trolling the altRight for personal advantage.

That he lampoons the trigglypuffs and other feminists only because he knows it will engender cheers amongst the increasingly aware young men who've been slandered for so long by these same freaks. Not because he recognises that it was an act of suicidal cowardice to ever let the freaks near the levers of power in the first place, and that only by fighting back can we reverse that inaction and its consequences for our civilisation.

The same pernicious implication is there about his being a conservative, his support for GamerGate, and etc.

But I beg to differ, and I would hold that this projection tells us a lot about Caleb Q Washington, and his envy of Milo (he wishes he was that clever, he's already that shallow and amoral) and Milo's success.

But he cannot admit that Milo's success is because he has stood up as a man and said "No, this I will not countenance by silence" and damn the whole world if nobody agrees.

Because that's just too threatening to his own self image.

Blogger Salt May 27, 2016 8:44 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:Milo and Vox are taking the fight directly into the heart of SJW "safe spaces" and are hitting with an effect that strikes older conservatives ("baby boomers") as being nasty and beneath themselves.

Jonah needs to understand 4th Gen warfare. You don't stop in the midst of battle for tea at 4.

Blogger Phillip George May 27, 2016 8:45 AM  

British rule really did end Thuggee Kali strangulation killings, Suttee wife murder, south pacific islander cannibalism, point the bone curse killings among aborigines, a lot of the ritual voodoo of the Caribbean Islands, human sacrifices in assorted other places.

then abortion was legalized. And the missing people, the unborn non existent generations, tens of millions of them, got replaced by importing savages, with a new round of 'honour killings'/ shrines to an antichrist?

Civilizations rise and fall. Defenders of the indefensible will burn like a grass fire. Nearly forgotten already, even while they still live. The Alt Right will succeed with the correct flame thrower. But are they right, other than the flame thrower?

Blogger Stilicho May 27, 2016 8:46 AM  

To paraphrase Buckley: the role of National Review is to stand athwart the right yelling "get off my lawn!"

Anonymous mature-Craig May 27, 2016 8:47 AM  

while I have always been Too Extreme for them


if you want it you should go for a more higher profile, more mainstream, there are a lot of good people on the internet, however there are also a lot of bizarre freaks,

Anonymous Quartermaster May 27, 2016 8:47 AM  

I have no idea who would "sign" for you to become editor of NR. Frankly, you never stood a chance. NR has always been the organ of "respectable" conservatives. idiots like Frum and Brooks are "respectable" conservatives. The translation of that would have been "faux conservatives," but I like the term Cuckservative quite a bit. The fact they hate it merely adds to the delicious taste of the word.

Frankly, I have no truck with Goldberg since he stupidly refused to shut up when the Paleos owned him. He was too arrogant to see what Gottfried was doing to him, and he has no understanding of it to this day. he fits in very well with the cucks over at NR.

Blogger Crude May 27, 2016 8:49 AM  

Because that's just too threatening to his own self image.

In more than one way. Part of what pisses conservatives off about Milo and Trump and company is that they stand and fight. And not just 'argue on a blog'. They face down pissed off crowds. Crowds calling them racist and worse.

That's not what these guys signed up for. They signed up for looking 'reasonable' and cucking out in the face of opposition while insisting they were being mature, not complete pussies.

Blogger dienw May 27, 2016 8:54 AM  

hitting with an effect that strikes older conservatives ("baby boomers") as being nasty and beneath themselves.

No, it doesn't "strike [all] of [us]older conservatives as nasty and beneath [ourselves]." And before you respond, stop and think about all those anti-Trumpers who have been telling us how rude and obnoxious - and Damn Yankee! - Trump is: Trump is doing what is necessary.

Blogger VD May 27, 2016 8:55 AM  

if you want it you should go for a more higher profile, more mainstream

I don't. I rejected that route more than 10 years ago.

I have no idea who would "sign" for you to become editor of NR. Frankly, you never stood a chance.

Correct. No question.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 8:55 AM  

"Milo and Vox are taking the fight directly into the heart of SJW "safe spaces" and are hitting with an effect that strikes older conservatives ("baby boomers") as being nasty and beneath themselves. "

indeed. They remind me of some old colonial general looking down his nose at the Colonial Army and tsk tsking because they are using snipers! and hit and run tactics! Like... barbarians!

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 8:58 AM  

"Trump is doing what is necessary."

No.

Milo is doing what is necessary. Vox is doing what is necessary. As much as it pains me to admit... Mike Cernovich is doing what is necessary.

Trump?

Trump is talking about doing what is necessary.

Lets hope he does more than talk.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 27, 2016 9:00 AM  

There's a parallel here with the Cold War.

Goldberg and the rest of the National Review crowd are like Henry Kissinger, Nixon, and the "don't provoke the Soviets" Containment Crowd. They'll put up a defense against enemy attack, but will NOT take the offensive.

The alt-Right is like Reagan - determined to take the offensive and WIN.

It's worth pointing out that defensive containment didn't do all that much against the Soviets. Reagan's offensive strategy broke the Soviet Empire in less than a decade. I suspect the alt-Right can do the same thing.

Blogger dlstacy May 27, 2016 9:00 AM  

No enemies to the right, no friends to the left.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet May 27, 2016 9:02 AM  

I have no idea what the equivalent of early techno in the 1990s might be these days

Minimal dubstep. Get with it!

In seriousness, the shit coming out of colleges, both the news and the youth hitting the job market, have put a nasty taste in my mouth for anything Left.

Watch the video of Milo getting harassed at the college this week. Think about working with, or better yet interviewing, one of those fuckers. It's truly surreal.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 27, 2016 9:06 AM  

Conservative intellectuals are a cosmic joke on us, the losing generals who boast how clean their troop's rifles are.

Milo knows his leftard opposition are clowns, ass breath George Will seems to gloss over that part if not try and convince us that such leftard genius requires a super genius like him to explain it all to us unwashed.

Blogger Wayne May 27, 2016 9:15 AM  

I am a boomer who voted for Reagan and by every measure I should be in support of the old guard conservatives like Goldberg. But I'm definitely not. My sympathies lie with Milo and the AltRight for they are the future. I held my nose to vote for every GOP candidate since Reagan, taking a detour twice to vote for Ross Perot. But no more. The part of the boomer generation that has been awakened are acutely aware that the current GOP leadership has abandoned them to seek votes elsewhere.

Milo wrote a column for Breibart explaining how the progressive left continues to ostracize groups and individuals to the point where the excommunicated out number them. In the same way globalist trade policy and bloated government has ostracized the working class. Not seeing their standard of living increase in decades or in some cases decreasing, their ranks have swelled and they out number those who benefit from globalism.

Politic clout goes where the money is and by stagnating their standard of living, the political class in DC stopped listening to them. Most gave up and stopped voting completely as each party served up one globalist liberal after another. These are the "forgotten men" that Amity Shlaes wrote about in her book of the same title.

Enter Trump to seize this opportunity. This is what Goldberg and his #NeverTrumpers don't get.

Blogger VD May 27, 2016 9:16 AM  

They remind me of some old colonial general looking down his nose at the Colonial Army and tsk tsking because they are using snipers! and hit and run tactics! Like... barbarians!

Now THAT is an apt analogy. They can't believe we don't line up in our redcoats and march forward to get mown down.

Blogger Salt May 27, 2016 9:17 AM  

Nate wrote:Trump is talking about doing what is necessary.

Lets hope he does more than talk.


The fact of so many on the Trump Train, he is doing what is necessary given his field of battle. If he doesn't continue it when the field changes, there might be a major revolt.

Blogger tz May 27, 2016 9:20 AM  

@10 exactly. Nor is it generational - Milo is younger, Trump is older.
Milo plays the crowd like Liberace - and he can because he is Gay and comfortable - not proud. He seeks tolerance and not acceptance and this blows up the Left's narrative.
Trump is similarly comfortable - self assured.
The weapons of the left are slander and libel, but they don't work from overuse.

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 9:20 AM  

@Nate
Trump is talking about doing what is necessary.

Lets hope he does more than talk.


I'd say running for President and probably even accomplishing it is far more than just talk.

On one side, yes he hasn't directly struck blows like Vox and Milo, probably because he is a social liberal and isn't going to say that feminism is poison. However, by upending the applecart of globalism he's struck a blow for American nationalism instead.

He's fighting his own fight, which aligns with our interests. In many aspects he's done far more than 'talk the talk' just by holding firm and even winning against the media blitz.

Blogger dienw May 27, 2016 9:27 AM  


Dubstep. No.

And same goes for feelings bands.

Anonymous Elipe May 27, 2016 9:31 AM  

@26 tz:

Also note how Milo wins allies in the Right by fighting for them and doing things for them.

You don't win allies by forcing them to bake cakes for you.

I'm not exactly pro-homo, but I would bake a cake for Milo if he asked me.

Blogger John Wright May 27, 2016 9:35 AM  

"The old men on the right seek to hold the line in a conflict of attrition with the left over disputed ground. The young men seek to fight on what the left thought was safe turf."

That sentence by itself would be enough to direct my loyalty to Milo over Jonah, were Jonah foolish enough to force a choice.

Blogger David-093 May 27, 2016 9:37 AM  

Gen-X has an advantage over the Boomers: theyve never been seen as "uncool" by Millennials. When alt-Right Millennials make fun of old conservatives, we don't imagine a 45 year old, it's usually someone in his sixties. The alt-Right is a showcase in the Strauss-Howe generational cycle, with the majority being Millennials and most of the figureheads being Xers, with a Boomer (Trump) as the ultimate leader.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 9:45 AM  

Nate, the temporary and few and far between numbers that Mr. Trump has been posting against Sec. Clinton nationally are not going to last, he is on track to lose handily. Sec. Clinton has to avoid jail, screwing up too badly, and crying on stage during the debates. Trump will do well with white men, some minority men, but is trending too far between with young unmarried women to win the election.

Blogger The Other Robot May 27, 2016 9:46 AM  

It's worth pointing out that defensive containment didn't do all that much against the Soviets. Reagan's offensive strategy broke the Soviet Empire in less than a decade. I suspect the alt-Right can do the same thing.

I have heard it said that the Russian Revolution was a creation of Wall Street but apart from some limited early looting they probably failed to get much from it and by the '80s had limited interest in interfering with Presidential action in that area.

However, Wall Street seems to have Russia in its sights again.

Blogger Rollo the Cat May 27, 2016 9:47 AM  

You make it sound like the National Review closet leftists and the quasi Nazi Alt-Righter are the only two choices. They aren't and neither has a future IMO. National Review has been exposed and the alt-right by its nature is going to do nothing but live out the big Teutonic themed fantasy role playing game that is there reason to exist.

I am fairly new to this site, so maybe I am a bit confused as to what you mean by Alt-Right. I assume it is the people involved with Radix and that crowd. If so, it is going nowhere because from the beginning it was designed to go nowhere. Just to wait out the Raganarok in the proverbial mother's basement.

Blogger The Other Robot May 27, 2016 9:50 AM  

Nate, the temporary and few and far between numbers that Mr. Trump has been posting against Sec. Clinton nationally are not going to last, he is on track to lose handily. Sec. Clinton has to avoid jail, screwing up too badly, and crying on stage during the debates. Trump will do well with white men, some minority men, but is trending too far between with young unmarried women to win the election.

Whoa, we have a prediction!

I guess that Whiskey would say that those young unmarried women are too busy chasing black cock to vote. I'm not buying that argument, but I am not sure they are going to turn out in big numbers.

Blogger Markku May 27, 2016 9:52 AM  

Alt-Right is everyone who rejects Establishment Conservatives, who are also often called neo-cons, but still holds "conservative" (lowercase) or "right wing" values - and rejects neo-cons for the reason of wanting to be much more radical and uncompromising than they are.

Blogger The Other Robot May 27, 2016 9:53 AM  

If you compare Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton in Google Analytics ...

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 9:53 AM  

' They can't believe we don't line up in our redcoats and march forward to get mown down'

This is not how things are done! Civilized men do not fight this way! Its better to lose than win like this!

Blogger Markku May 27, 2016 9:54 AM  

The nazi label is pure propaganda that has been slapped on the movement after the fact. What makes Alt-right Alt-right, is being something other than what is generally understood as "The Right".

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 9:57 AM  

"Nate, the temporary and few and far between numbers that Mr. Trump has been posting against Sec. Clinton nationally are not going to last, he is on track to lose handily. Sec. Clinton has to avoid jail, screwing up too badly, and crying on stage during the debates. Trump will do well with white men, some minority men, but is trending too far between with young unmarried women to win the election."

Oh dh...

I love ya man.. but you couldn't possibly be more wrong. The young... I mean millennials and whoever these kids are that are 18 and 19 now... are absolutely appalled by Hillary. They will never vote for her. Bernie people are more likely to vote for Trump than Hillary.

Hillary is simply not capable of rebuilding the coalition that Obama built.

And the gender gap? Trump doesn't have a woman problem. Hillary has a man problem.

She's done mate. I know you've spent the last 8 years believing that the demographics have changed so much that the GOP can never possibly win again. I would just remind you that the democrats thought the same thing about themselves... right up until Obama won.

You're in for a big... big surprise.

Trump is going to destroy her.

Anonymous SingSling May 27, 2016 10:05 AM  

If by techno you mean Techno then Surgeon, formerly of British Murder Boys gets playtime on my current playlist.

Blogger The Other Robot May 27, 2016 10:06 AM  

Found somewhere else:

The upside of these protests riots, is that even though the propaganda arm of the Dimocrat Party keeps trying to blame the riots on Trump, the American people are beginning to see the true face of the Left. They’re seeing that it’s the Left that is behind the rioting. And the more they see this, the more likely they are to vote for Trump. This is one of the reason he’s rising in the polls. This is starting to look more and more like 1968 and those of us who know a little history or who lived through it know what happened in 1968. Nixon won in a landslide.

Anonymous zapbrannigan1 May 27, 2016 10:08 AM  

@Crude

Hey, let's not go nuts here. I know for a fact that Jonah has faced down hostile crowds at his own university speaking tours. He's had his speeches canceled at the last minute due to the antics of the progressive loonies. He's entered the proverbial lion's den of the Daily Show set as the evening's human sacrifice for the snarky avatar of unearned gravitas, Jon Stewart; he's done this on at least two occasions, and acquitted himself well.

Jonah may not be the insurrectionist that Milo is, but he is no fucking coward.

Blogger slarrow May 27, 2016 10:15 AM  

I think Jonah's problem is that he really wanted to be taken seriously and, by writing Liberal Fascism, he finally was. Once he achieved that, though, he didn't want to lose that new status he had. I read him for years (since the first incarnation of NRO), and the publication of his first book really seemed the turning point.

A man is defined by his enemies, to paraphrase Louis L'Amour. The big difference is that Jonah now turns toward the right and asks, "do you love me?" Milo turns toward the left and asks, "do you hate me?"

Anonymous mature-Craig May 27, 2016 10:15 AM  

young unmarried women from what I hear (no direct proof) it seems like they are the ones that always vote for the worst possible candidates, gotta figure out how to change that

Anonymous BGKB May 27, 2016 10:15 AM  

That is because so many on the "right" don't want to take back ground. They just want to be part of the party.

A local guy in politics asked me to show up at a democrat organizations day at an amusement park, with my Obama imported diseases shirt. It was then I realized he wanted to play the amenable authority go between position.

What irks me about this is the not-so-subtle message that Milo is simply trolling the altRight for personal advantage.

The best way to convert moderates is to push buttons on the lefts trigglypuffs. No need to invest the effort to win by converting trigglypuff. Is Milo sincere or does he just realize that a Pinochet will be better for him than not being a commissar in a land ruled by jewish Bolsheviks?

To paraphrase Buckley: the role of National Review is to stand athwart the right yelling "I would rather be a cuck than called racist"

Trump? Trump is talking about doing what is necessary.

If TRUMP didn't run none of the candidate would have said illegal alien

I have no idea what the equivalent of early techno in the 1990s might be these days

STR8 guys have it easy you can just jog in place to any dance song.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 27, 2016 10:17 AM  

Cucks allowed the Left to own the moral level of conflict, the alt-right puts that in play.

And they barely have started and the impact is large, once the ball rolls our way the left will be crushed, the old cucks will be as stupefied as the Bob Dole wing of the GOP when Reagan called the soviet shitheads the "Evil Empire" or when Reagan kept putting back in his speech at the Wall "tear down this wall" over the objections of the cucks of the day speechwriters and staff.

Blogger VD May 27, 2016 10:19 AM  

Jonah may not be the insurrectionist that Milo is, but he is no fucking coward.

With regards to the Left. But he was in support of Derb's defenestration. He's turned out to be pretty cucky.

STR8 guys have it easy you can just jog in place to any dance song.

I know that something good is gonna happen.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes May 27, 2016 10:19 AM  

I am fairly new to this site, so maybe I am a bit confused as to what you mean by Alt-Right.

I like to think of the AltRight as being fundamentally about deep skepticism of the sacred cows not only of the progressive left but of the establishemnt right.

Blogger John Regan May 27, 2016 10:19 AM  

VD, if you had replaced WFB at National Review I might still be a reader. And NR might still be relevant. Ugh.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 27, 2016 10:20 AM  

#45 uh Craig it is called Game.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 10:21 AM  

"If TRUMP didn't run none of the candidate would have said illegal alien"

the amazing thing is.. you actually believe this. In spite of the fact that most of them did... hell even Romney and McCain talked about protecting the border

Anonymous Crude May 27, 2016 10:23 AM  

zapbrannigan,

Hey, let's not go nuts here.

I wasn't calling out Jonah in particular - I know there are anomalies. I defended Ben Shapiro's bravery in spite of his anti-Trump antics, because I will always give credit where it's due. If Jonah does that, great. But he's also an exception, not the rule.

I'll give George Will credit as well for at least sticking by his article regarding campus rape claims. It's not quite Milo but it's still more than many. What their particular problem is is something I have to figure out. (Well, with Shapiro it's obvious.)

Blogger Blaster May 27, 2016 10:24 AM  

One interesting thing I note from the google trends is that regionally speaking, Jonah Goldberg's audience is entirely domestic. Milo and Vox both have international audiences.

That makes sense given Jonah's role but I still found it interesting.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 27, 2016 10:26 AM  

Forget the chart this is why Jonah is jealous.

@Nero gets the reception he deserves

Blogger VD May 27, 2016 10:28 AM  

VD, if you had replaced WFB at National Review I might still be a reader. And NR might still be relevant. Ugh.

That was never an option. This was Buckley's widely syndicated newspaper column. Ironically, Rod Dreher was about the only one who picked it up, at the Dallas Morning News.

That lasted all of two weeks.

Blogger ZhukovG May 27, 2016 10:30 AM  

The Traditional Conservative stands athwart the train tracks of history and yells, "Stop!".

The Alt-Right stands to one side and shoots a Rocket Propelled Grenade at the train engine.

Anonymous SingSling May 27, 2016 10:30 AM  

@21 Minimal Dubstep seems like taking special K followed by a long walk off a short pier.

The hard industrial style Techno is dark but at least has a purpose.

Anonymous BGKB May 27, 2016 10:37 AM  

This is not how things are done! Civilized men do not fight this way! Its better to lose than win like this!

I would rather be beheaded than garrote moslems "lawfully given the death penalty" with a rainbow feather boa,with paracord strands threaded in, while wearing a luchador mask on live TV.

Trump doesn't have a woman problem. Hillary has a man problem.

HilLIARy's people coudlnt find a model for their MAN ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR HILLDOG that didn't appear in STD ads http://www.gaypatriot.net/2016/05/26/gamma-male-hipsters-for-hillary-bernies-cirque-du-dysphoria/

Sec. Clinton has to avoid jail, screwing up too badly, and crying on stage during the debates

Being seen on high def TV sans makeup and editing software.

I am fairly new to this site, so maybe I am a bit confused as to what you mean by Alt-Right

"Hi I don't know what AltRight is but it isn't going to last my common core physics teacher said pendulums never swing back"

live out the big Teutonic themed fantasy role playing game that is there reason to exist.

To drive the orcs from our homelands. Rollo the Cat don't feel bad about pussyboy already being taken, someone beat me to koranburningfaggot.

Just to wait out the Raganarok in the proverbial mother's basement.

If you plan to survive the nig apocalypse you should have at least 6 months of shelf stable food along with fruit/nut trees.

They’re seeing that it’s the Left that is behind the rioting.

The best part is they are seeing real Mexicans not the fictional liberal TV ones.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 10:39 AM  

"The hard industrial style Techno is dark but at least has a purpose."

this is gayer than two dudes in italian shoes talking about which Glock they like best.

Blogger The Other Robot May 27, 2016 10:41 AM  

To get some perspective, Milo is about as popular as Putin, it seems.

And, Trump handily beats the Hildebeast.

Anonymous bub May 27, 2016 10:44 AM  

hilery has always reminded me of old Madame Defarge with her knitting needles. Same SJW political philosophy too.

Blogger Blaster May 27, 2016 10:45 AM  

Nate, the temporary and few and far between numbers that Mr. Trump has been posting against Sec. Clinton nationally are not going to last, he is on track to lose handily. Sec. Clinton has to avoid jail, screwing up too badly, and crying on stage during the debates. Trump will do well with white men, some minority men, but is trending too far between with young unmarried women to win the election.

Here's the flaw in this analysis. Young women are scared of Trump and young men hate Hillary. Each candidate has 6 months to lower their unfavorables in those categories or get their base sufficiently fired up to turn out in overwhelming numbers vs the opposition.

Trump has a lot of experience persuading young unmarried women. The vast majority of women from his past have nothing but good things to say about him. I give him favorable odds that he'll improve his standing with women before November. Trump has repeatedly demonstrated ability to sway voters. He can also clearly get his base fired up. His rallies have been packing sports stadiums all over the country.

Hillary has virtually no chance of raising her favorability with men. She won't be able to persuade a single one. Any man who would cast vote for Hillary has already decided. Worse, Hillary has demonstrated she can't even stop women from deserting. She clumsily over-played the woman card and it has had the opposite of the intended effect. Her base is not half as passionate as Trump's, or Sanders' for that matter. She has minorities, cat lady feminists, and hardcore party democrats. No one else is excited about Hillary, and will only be fired up to go vote against Trump if she can get people scared of him. And so far, her attempts to scare people have been pathetically bad, half the time almost coming off as if she is actually campaigning for Trump. Senator Warren has been talking about Trump nonstop. All this attention will desensitize and actually make him seem less scary in the end. By the time November comes around, apathy for Hillary will be greater than fear of Trump.

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 10:47 AM  

@Nate
the amazing thing is.. you actually believe this. In spite of the fact that most of them did... hell even Romney and McCain talked about protecting the border

2008 and 2012 were not 2016. We hit peak cuck not too long ago - until then, there was a steady increase of taboo concepts and ideas. Badwrong and badthink.

Consider not even two years later, Romney was calling it quits already, saying 'oh we probably need to pass a permanent amnesty bill just so we possibly get some traction on an immigration bill'. Ground was being quickly given to progressives.

So yes, it's completely plausible that the (yes, your hated term) Overton Window got forcibly shifted the other direction.

Anonymous SingSling May 27, 2016 10:48 AM  

@46 Shuffling is from the early 90s Melbourne scene and that is basically jogging while dancing.

Chubby girls go to clubs to shuffle and lose weight these days.

Anonymous RedJack May 27, 2016 10:49 AM  

Nate wrote:"The hard industrial style Techno is dark but at least has a purpose."

this is gayer than two dudes in italian shoes talking about which Glock they like best.


Thread winner

Anonymous Laz May 27, 2016 10:52 AM  

"STR8 guys have it easy you can just jog in place to any dance song."

Sometimes we don't even have to move our legs ;)

Anonymous Longtime Lurker May 27, 2016 10:55 AM  

@7: “Trump isn't the dangerous one. He is but a harbinger, much like Sanders. Crassus and the Gracchi were the forerunners of Caesar. I feel we have yet to see the one who will end the trappings of the dying republic.”

It’s been said before that history repeats, but never when and how we might expect. To me, the central question concerning a Trump presidency is whether he will tame the administrative state or whether it will tame him.

If the Republic is to endure, the American administrative state as it currently exists must die.

@15: “hitting with an effect that strikes older conservatives ("baby boomers") as being nasty and beneath themselves.”

“No, it doesn't "strike [all] of [us]older conservatives as nasty and beneath [ourselves]." And before you respond, stop and think about all those anti-Trumpers who have been telling us how rude and obnoxious - and Damn Yankee! - Trump is: Trump is doing what is necessary.”

I should have been more precise: By older conservatives, I was thinking more about the prototypical Romney type nice guy or certain established conservative pundits who seem to write more for each other than they anyone else.

@17: “indeed. They remind me of some old colonial general looking down his nose at the Colonial Army and tsk tsking because they are using snipers! and hit and run tactics! Like... barbarians!

Nice. Burgoyne was pretty good at “tsk tsking” after the Battle of Saratoga. The greater the “tsk tsking,” the greater the assurance that Alt Right tactics are hitting with effect.

@23: “Milo wrote a column for Breibart explaining how the progressive left continues to ostracize groups and individuals to the point where the excommunicated out number them.”

SJWs mostly do not think in terms of balance of power, or more precisely, the social balance of power on any given issue. They are truly emotionally driven creatures who flock together and hoot their derision. It’s as if they can’t stay sane unless they have a “socially acceptable” target for their darker emotions, which they tend to cloak with moralistic nonsense half the time (aka the Narrative).

To SJWs, strategy and tactics is all the same, a game of musical chairs the objective of which needs no explanation.

Blogger Tim May 27, 2016 10:55 AM  

Don't bet on Trumps problem with women. My wife and oldest daughter voted for Trump in the Tennessee primary. And my youngest daughter will be joining them in voting for him in the general election. Old married family moms, young married family moms, I don't know about other states but Tennessee will be 60% Trump. Count on it.

Anonymous Laz May 27, 2016 10:56 AM  

"this is gayer than two dudes in italian shoes talking about which Glock they like best."

Just can't go one thread without mentioning the Glock, can ya?

Blogger Gaiseric May 27, 2016 10:57 AM  

Crude wrote:What their particular problem is is something I have to figure out. (Well, with Shapiro it's obvious.)
I suspect Goldberg's problem is the same as Shapiro's; he's just less overt and a bit more discreet about it. He doesn't openly run around praising the American Empire; he just quietly writes apologetics for it.

Anonymous SingSling May 27, 2016 11:06 AM  

@60 Yeah in Berlin it definitely is. No denying that

Anonymous BGKB May 27, 2016 11:07 AM  

this is gayer than two dudes in italian shoes talking about which Glock they like best.

Milo said he wouldn't post the pic of us meeting during his tour.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 27, 2016 11:08 AM  

@34
RtC, I was alt-right in the 70s, although it wasn’t called that. The alt-right is hardly quasi-Nazi. To a leftist who thinks anything to the right of Stalin is a Nazi, perhaps, but that’s the only crowd that accepts such stupidity.

@52
But, neither McCain nor Romney had any intention of protecting the border. It was all eye wash for the election.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 27, 2016 11:11 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:@Nate

the amazing thing is.. you actually believe this. In spite of the fact that most of them did... hell even Romney and McCain talked about protecting the border

2008 and 2012 were not 2016. We hit peak cuck not too long ago - until then, there was a steady increase of taboo concepts and ideas. Badwrong and badthink.

Consider not even two years later, Romney was calling it quits already, saying 'oh we probably need to pass a permanent amnesty bill just so we possibly get some traction on an immigration bill'. Ground was being quickly given to progressives.

So yes, it's completely plausible that the (yes, your hated term) Overton Window got forcibly shifted the other direction.


Yes, because the GOP made the mistake of thinking the electorate was more or less static in their preferences and the only way to win an election again was to pander to the Hispanics by supporting amnesty. It wasn't an unreasonable position just looking at the numbers over the last few elections, and like pretty much everyone else they were shocked at Trump's popularity.

Vox has mentioned in the past that the GOP will probably become the white party, and it's looking like it might come true.

Milo has pointed out that the non-SJW white < 30 crowd just doesn't care about being called racist any more because the left has overplayed their hand and they heard from childhood that they are racist because their skin is white. If everything you do is already called racist, then you might as well be as racist as you want to be.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 11:12 AM  

Nate:

I love ya man.. but you couldn't possibly be more wrong. The young... I mean millennials and whoever these kids are that are 18 and 19 now... are absolutely appalled by Hillary. They will never vote for her. Bernie people are more likely to vote for Trump than Hillary.

The reason I love you is because you have a great gut instinct that is almost always wrong, April 25:

A new national poll of America’s 18- to 29-year-olds by Harvard’s Institute of Politics (IOP), located at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, finds Hillary Clinton the clear front-runner over Donald Trump to win the White House in 2016. Among likely voters, Clinton has 61% of young voters and Trump 25%, with 14% of likely young voters unsure.
http://iop.harvard.edu/youth-poll/harvard-iop-spring-2016-poll

Even if all the undecideds go to trump, that still puts your claim to bed. Millennials who vote for the first time will be voting for Sec. Clinton, probably 2-to-1, in the end.

Hillary is simply not capable of rebuilding the coalition that Obama built.

I agree with this. Sec. Clinton will not pull down the huge numbers in votes or proportion that Pres. Obama did in black voters. That bump is margin of victory in most places for Pres. Obama. A huge turnout (relatively speaking) for blacks in 2008 and 2012 is a huge slice of why Pres. Obama won. Sec. Clinton will likely revert to the Democratic mean for votes and share of votes for black voters, undershooting Pres. Obama's performance.

And the gender gap? Trump doesn't have a woman problem. Hillary has a man problem.

This isn't backed up by statistical evidence. Sec. Clinton has the approval of about 37% of all men. See here, page 13. In the same survey, Mr. Trump has the approval of about about 24% of women. For non-white women, it's about 16%. See page 24 of the same results.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/03/24/march.poll.pdf

The detailed numbers on more recent polls are not available with these level of cross-tabs, but the top line numbers haven't moved much. I will be watching it closely, but the evidence suggests that Mr. Trump has serious issues with the non-white, non-Republican women base, and softness with white Republican women compared to Gov. Romney's actual numbers.

She's done mate. I know you've spent the last 8 years believing that the demographics have changed so much that the GOP can never possibly win again. I would just remind you that the democrats thought the same thing about themselves... right up until Obama won.

I don't think the cake is fully baked on demographic change, but you have to look at it fact based. What states will Mr. Trump win that Gov. Romney lost in 2012? Reince Preibus has mapped out a strategy that has Mr. Trump win Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Michigan and Minnesota. I think that this his best bet, but still a very long shot. Ohio currently has a composite showing Clinton in the lead by about 2%. So I find that do-able. Florida is similar. Wisconsin, Minnesota have Sec. Clinton holding onto double-digit leads. Iowa is possible flip. Pennsylvania, which would be a must win, is showing double-digit Clinton leads.

The only upside I can see to this strategy is that right now, in the race, state based polls are at their least reliable for the entire general election race. With more samples, these will firm up and the trneds will be clearer. To win, Mr. Trump needs to hold ever Romney state, and pickup the strategy states, and that will give him the narrowest victory possible.

If I were Mr. Trump, I would sell a major building, and put $250M into California, Oregon, and Washington state, and another $250M into New York. Doing so would stymie the Clinton campaign and the DNC, and force them to fight hard to lock down the two biggest Democrat states. If Mr. Trump could get either state into the +5 category for Sec. Clinton, the party may arrange a health emergency for Sec. Clinton.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 11:12 AM  

(continued)

You're in for a big... big surprise.

Trump is going to destroy her.

I don't think so. I find Mr. Trump to be a solid candidate, in many ways a traditional GOP candidate but with charm and appeal. His demographic appeal suffers from the problem that there just aren't enough white voters to vacuum up, and nothing can offset the fundamental forces affecting his campaign.

I will give you this: if Mr. Trump was ever going to win, it would be against Sec. Clinton. She is a uniquely bad candidate, and in a way, her best chance to the presidency is through a flawed candidate like Mr. Trump. A generic mid-western governor or Senator with middle of the road policies and traditional GOP sensibilities would be a harder win for Sec. Clinton, who is running on the weakest record in modern history excepting Pres. Obama, and with the worst public image in the last 100 years.

I am not quite ready to start laying money on Sec. Clinton, but the data does not look promising for Mr. Trump.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 11:12 AM  

"2008 and 2012 were not 2016. We hit peak cuck not too long ago - until then, there was a steady increase of taboo concepts and ideas. Badwrong and badthink."

That's the narrative. I don't buy it at all. Republicans have been talking border security since before Reagan. They have never had a problem talkign about illegal aliens.

The shift has been in the talk about LEGAL immigration. That's where the big change came.. and that didn't come from Trump. To my knowledge the first person to talk about it was Santorum back in 2012... then bobby jindal and santorum were both talking about it in the B-Team warm up to the first GOP primary debate. But over time I think Trump and others realized the overton window was far larger than they had though. They realized that not only was it ok to talk about walls and border security and illegal immigration... they realized immigration itself was within the window.

see i still don't think trump's surge was about immigration. I think it was about his willingness to stand up to the media SJW narrative. Every man that has ever sat through some PC bullshit "training session" from HR at his job saw Trump's reaction to their shaming... and yelled "HELL YES! DON'T BACK DOWN!"

Could've been any pc topic. It just happened to be mexican rapists.

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 11:16 AM  

@dh
A generic mid-western governor or Senator with middle of the road policies and traditional GOP sensibilities would be a harder win for Sec. Clinton

Whoa there. A large chunk of the GOP base this year was really, really tired of holding their nose and voting for said generic governors and Senators with middle of the road policies. There is less than zero evidence that Senator Generic McCandidate would have pulled anywhere near the numbers that Trump is, much less than what Hillary is.

Anonymous Smell the Bern May 27, 2016 11:18 AM  

Anecdote: yesterday at work I hear some noise from an office. Sounds like a video on a phone audio. I go in, and there are a couple of older women ,50ish, watching something on a phone and laughing. I ask what they're watching. One says "The Bitch". I ask what she meant and she shows me a Hillary video. Made me happy.

Anonymous Ronnie May 27, 2016 11:19 AM  

From what I understand Milo is a flaming sodomite. I am noticing more homosexuals joining ranks with the alternative right.

It is wise for them to reject immigration from the third world as the immigrants do not look highly upon their lifestyle. Open homosexuality is basically a first world phenomenon.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 27, 2016 11:20 AM  

The Cucks accepted the premise of America as "sexist, racist and homophobic" from there they must spend their time legitimizing Trigglypuff, BLM and some hairy dude who wants to put is dick where the sun don't shine whenever to whomever.

The alt-right has had a quite easy time of it, but wait till the left dangles "Smart Badges" in front of their faces, then we will see if they are serious.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 27, 2016 11:23 AM  

dh,

You always preach doom for the GOP, but if you are right on this "His demographic appeal suffers from the problem that there just aren't enough white voters to vacuum up, and nothing can offset the fundamental forces affecting his campaign."

If Trump can't win over some white, Democrat voters, and the minorities are lock step Democrat regardless of how terrible Clinton is as a candidate, then arguably the Demographic Apocalypse is upon us and it is nothing but Democrat presidents and eventual civil strife and war.

Hillary has made it clear that the immigration since 1965 was a warm up for her administration and the borders will be thrown wide open to change the electorate forever. This is possible as Sweden is already lost, London is gone, and the rest of the UK will be in the next 30 years.

But... Trump was never supposed to go this far so nobody knows a damn thing.

Blogger Sevron May 27, 2016 11:26 AM  

I don't think the "Smart Badges" will be offered. That was a deal between baby boomers, mainly. The current Left is all about the SJWs, and their plan is to kill their enemies, not cuck them.

I think being a cuckservative as a viable career path was a historical anomaly. It was only necessary while the Left still felt the Right had any power they had to fear. The Left clearly feels they have nothing to fear from the Right anymore, and so we find ourselves at the beginning of what they hope will be their glorious purges, ditches, and death camps. There's no need for cucks anymore.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 11:27 AM  

"Harvard’s Institute of Politics (IOP), located at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, finds Hillary Clinton the clear front-runner over Donald Trump to win the White House in 2016. "

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA You really don't see what's wrong with this do you?

" Millennials who vote for the first time will be voting for Sec. Clinton, probably 2-to-1, in the end."

No... They really won't. You're missing that these millennials.. and they can't be millennials because its been over 15 years since 2000... so whatever they are... they are just now learning about the clinton rape scandals. And they are uniquely horrified by them. This is a poison pill the Department of Education built into these generations to use against the GOP... and its biting them in the ass big time. The more these kids hear about Bill and the shit he pulled.. and the way Hillary helped cover it all up.. the more disgusted they are with the Clintons.

Much of that is what is driving Bernie's campaign.

Now you keep bringing up Romney... while ignoring the fact that Romney was winning before the last debate. He blew it. He hits Obama on bengahzi... and its over. Romney wins... and we're not even having this debate.

But he was a useless mormon bitch... so he didn't... and he lost.

"I don't think the cake is fully baked on demographic change, but you have to look at it fact based. What states will Mr. Trump win that Gov. Romney lost in 2012?"

Trump wins every state Dubya won in 04... plus PA and Michigan. I think you will see a humiliation that will have democrats jumping off buildings... looking a back at all the congressional defeats... tying it all together and deciding its all lost forever.



Anonymous mature-Craig May 27, 2016 11:29 AM  

@69. yeah I do think he is going to de very well with women.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 11:29 AM  

Whoa there. A large chunk of the GOP base this year was really, really tired of holding their nose and voting for said generic governors and Senators with middle of the road policies. There is less than zero evidence that Senator Generic McCandidate would have pulled anywhere near the numbers that Trump is, much less than what Hillary is.

Republicans always say this, and then "the most important election evar" comes along, they always fall in line. It's what being a Republican means.

Also, it's really tiresome hearing otherwise smart people saying things like "there is less than zero evidence". Please direct your attention to the polling of most GOP candidates versus Sec. Clinton.

Gov. Kaisch, also known as Mr. No-Name Mid-Western Governor: +7.4 Kaisch
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html

There are also many popular GOP governors in the country:

https://morningconsult.com/2015/11/20/how-do-voters-feel-about-your-governor/

Gov. Baker of Massachusetts has a 75% job approval rating. Gov. Daugaard of South Dakota has a 66% job approval rating.

This is all more than "zero evidence". Please don't say things like that unless you know what you are talking about.

Blogger Nick S May 27, 2016 11:32 AM  

Reagan's offensive strategy broke the Soviet Empire in less than a decade. I suspect the alt-Right can do the same thing.

Looks like the proverbial premature chicken counting has begun. I understand recent events have been encouraging, but it's taken a decade to get up to speed and is likely to take another decade before any kind of victory celebrations should be contemplated.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 27, 2016 11:33 AM  

dh,

You can't possibly conflate the approval ratings of a governor with someone's popularity when running for president. Hillary was the most admired woman in the country while secretary of state, but she certainly isn't anymore.

Anonymous mature-Craig May 27, 2016 11:34 AM  

Another project I think Americans should work on is to utterly destroy the democratic party, make it no more, but that's just me

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 11:34 AM  

@Nate
That's the narrative. I don't buy it at all. Republicans have been talking border security since before Reagan. They have never had a problem talkign about illegal aliens.

And the culture during Reagan's time is somehow the same as today or in 2015? Just because they didn't have a problem talking about jiggaboos and wops and chinks back in the late 1800s means that there was no taboo against speaking those words in 2010?

The shift has been in the talk about LEGAL immigration. That's where the big change came.. and that didn't come from Trump. To my knowledge the first person to talk about it was Santorum back in 2012...

It's never about who's the first person to use a word, a concept, or an idea, but about who popularizes it or does it the best. That's a concept that's true everywhere.

see i still don't think trump's surge was about immigration. I think it was about his willingness to stand up to the media SJW narrative. Every man that has ever sat through some PC bullshit "training session" from HR at his job saw Trump's reaction to their shaming... and yelled "HELL YES! DON'T BACK DOWN!"

Could've been any pc topic. It just happened to be mexican rapists.


True enough. However, you're mixing up a couple of things. The reason why illegal aliens are back on the 'discussion' table, aka Overton Window shifted, is because Trump did those things. Not because he was the first to talk about it, because he wasn't, but because he dropkicked their attempts to shame him.

He popularized it and didn't back down from it, and so now it's "okay" to talk about it now that people see someone who's nominally a leader not being ashamed of a topic. That's essentially how most people (who aren't alphas) work - they get social cues from how people above them act.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 11:38 AM  

Now you keep bringing up Romney... while ignoring the fact that Romney was winning before the last debate. He blew it. He hits Obama on bengahzi... and its over. Romney wins... and we're not even having this debate.

No, Romney was never winning based on State based polls.

Let me remind you that the people who really pay attention to how polling works, like me, were always on top of the 2008 and 2012 election.

In 2008, watching McCain lose was like watching paint dry. The people who actually do what Nate Silver trys to do but fails do, for example, wrote before voting started in 2008, that McCain was always going to lose.

http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/22/in-which-i-write-of-paint-continuing-to-dry/

In 2012, months before the election, while people here and all over the internet were clamoring about "unskewing the polls", people who really look at the data concluded that an Obama win was 97% probable based on the normal trend of polls, polling, and data analysis.

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/09/29/the-short-term-presidential-predictor/


The same group of people predicted back when everyone was still in the race that Mr. Trump was the nominee in mid-March.
http://election.princeton.edu/2016/04/27/trump-on-a-glide-path-since-mid-march/


I am telling you, McCain was never winning, Romney was never winning, and Trump was always winning the primary, and he'll be winning the general election.

This isn't 100% baked yet, but it's well into the 90's.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 11:41 AM  

"And the culture during Reagan's time is somehow the same as today or in 2015"

reading comprehension fail. "since" doesn't mean they did it back then. it means they have been doing it continually dating back to that time. That is why I brought up McCain and Romney... and Santorum... and Dubya.. to demonstrate that continuity. It never went out of style to talk about illegal immigration.

"It's never about who's the first person to use a word, a concept, or an idea, but about who popularizes it or does it the best. That's a concept that's true everywhere."

no. Politicians don't decide what is popular or acceptible. The public does. That's what the Overton Window is about. The public was fine with dicussing limiting immigration. The washington elite just didn't know that. Trump didn't expand anything. he looked around and realized the public opinion was far to the right of what was commonly believed to be true.

" The reason why illegal aliens are back on the 'discussion' table, aka Overton Window shifted, is because Trump did those things. Not because he was the first to talk about it, because he wasn't, but because he dropkicked their attempts to shame him. "

No. Illegal immigration was never off the table. I have no idea where you would even get the idea that it was off the table. There have been columns on it continually.

Look... here is an article on illegal immigration from 2013 the Chief Cucks Themselves at Red State:

http://www.redstate.com/diary/1strichard/2013/03/24/illegal-immigration/

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 11:43 AM  

You can't possibly conflate the approval ratings of a governor with someone's popularity when running for president. Hillary was the most admired woman in the country while secretary of state, but she certainly isn't anymore.

Guess, what, Sec. Clinton is still the most admired woman in the world.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx

I don't conflate the approval ratings, I am saying that it's not "less than zero evidence". The evidence suggests that against a generic Republican candidate, Sec. Clinton would be handily losing. She's the second least popular major party candidate ever. See Kasich.

The general theory here is a someone whom you never have heard of - like a generic GOP governor, will start out ahead of Clinton, since she has so many people who just don't like her. She has very low approval ratings, and very low dynamic range. Not a lot of people are going to be convinced to like Sec. Clinton. She has what support she has.

Sec. Clinton would very much have liked to face off a non-generic Republican meanine, like the execrable, rat-faced, ill-liked Ted Cruz. Barring that, she would like to face off against Trump, since he almost as widely disliked as she is, but with significant base problems (that I expect will mostly firm up).

Anonymous Andrew E. May 27, 2016 11:44 AM  

Trump didn't expand anything.

Wrong.

Blogger Ron May 27, 2016 11:49 AM  

@Nate

Colonial army? Are you talking about the famous Kentucky Longrifles?

You know there are people in Kentucky to this very day that use those works of art to hunt? They are incredible. Something really wonderful.

A western friend of mine showed me a video of a famous rifle artist. He was being interviewed by a local professor. Also a southern gentleman. The professor asked the artist why he doesn't use modern machinery to make more of those rifles, and the artist said something beautiful.

He looked down, then looked directly into the professors eye, and quietly said "but then I'd lose my hand skills"

And to his credit the professor became abashed and nodded understandingly.

So much beauty in America, all under our noses.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 27, 2016 11:51 AM  

And there is a generational aspect here. Part of this could well be the product of Gen X leaders asserting themselves while the boomers still desperately try to cling to power.

That's part of the conflict for people like Jonah - they see themselves as the designated heirs of the Boomers. Now some interlopers come along, so they're worried Milo et al will steal their inheritance.

The sad part for Jonah is, there is no inheritance. Boomers being Boomers, they've squandered everything and there's nothing of their institutions to leave to their heirs.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 11:51 AM  

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/352919/kill-bill-william-kristol-rich-lowry

Bill Kristol and Rich Lowry complaining that the gang of 8 bill does not solve "the illegal immigration problem"

As I have said... republicans have always loved talking about illegal immigration because they could hide behind the word 'illegal' any time someone called them racist.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 27, 2016 11:52 AM  

dh, about 6 months ago. I'd like to see that poll now. You may be right, this is all a dog and pony show and the Democrats are slated to win the presidency for then next 50 years on demographics alone but it ain't over until it's over.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 11:53 AM  

"Wrong."

That's a fascinating counter argument.

Anonymous Scintan May 27, 2016 11:56 AM  

Laz wrote:"this is gayer than two dudes in italian shoes talking about which Glock they like best."

Just can't go one thread without mentioning the Glock, can ya?


Are you saying that Nate loves Glock?

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 11:56 AM  

@dh
Gov. Baker of Massachusetts has a 75% job approval rating. Gov. Daugaard of South Dakota has a 66% job approval rating.

Like someone said, approval rating in a home state has nothing to do with nationwide popularity. If they were, then everytime the GOP would grab someone with a 75% approval rating and coast in on a landslide victory.

Northeast Republicans are nothing like Southern Republicans. What appeals in South Dakota does not appeal in Vermont.

Gov. Kaisch, also known as Mr. No-Name Mid-Western Governor: +7.4 Kaisch
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html


As an aside, these polls are a function of "who is least disliked". It says something that those further on the right are expected to hold their nose and vote for milquetoast, but said milquetoast can't possibly hold their nose for those further right. Spineless and gutless is what they are.

Anyway, with that said... I'll have to think about that poll and consider it.

Blogger VD May 27, 2016 11:57 AM  

There is no point in arguing about it. Make your case, then place your bets. DH has done the right thing. He's spoken his piece and made his prediction. Well done.

Personally, I'm predicting a Mondalean Trumpslide, but we'll see.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 27, 2016 11:58 AM  

know you've spent the last 8 years believing that the demographics have changed so much that the GOP can never possibly win again.

The old Demographics don't mean anything anyway - the sands are shifting. This is either the last election of the old era, or the first one of the new era. If it's the last of the old era, Clinton stands a chance, but if it's the first of a new era, she's toast toast toast.

The new era isn't liberal vs conservative, it's the crumbling establishment vs the Fix-Something-For-Fuck's-Sake movement. And there isn't a more establishment candidate than Clinton, or a more "lets' roll the dice with this guy" candidate than Trump.

Blogger Dexter May 27, 2016 12:00 PM  

The old men on the right seek to hold the line in a conflict of attrition with the left over disputed ground.

Those might have been the older old men.

The more recent old men aren't even doing that.

The old men on the Right seek somewhat agreeable terms from the Left's occupation regime. They are Vichy generals eager to preserve their status and privileges by pandering to the enemy - and therefore quickly order their troops to fire on "allied" forces of liberation.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 12:01 PM  

"Personally, I'm predicting a Mondalean Trumpslide, but we'll see."

yep.

Nate's prediction: Trump wins every state Dubya won in 04... plus Michigan and Pennsylvania... so it will be a serious beat down.. but not 49 to 1.

Blogger CarpeOro May 27, 2016 12:01 PM  

VD wrote:They remind me of some old colonial general looking down his nose at the Colonial Army and tsk tsking because they are using snipers! and hit and run tactics! Like... barbarians!

Now THAT is an apt analogy. They can't believe we don't line up in our redcoats and march forward to get mown down.


To clarify the analogy, specifically Charles Lee. A former British officer, tried to undermine Washington so he could replace him. Similar to the Neocons joining the Republicans. Only problem is they haven't been cashiered. Yet.

Anonymous RedJack May 27, 2016 12:07 PM  

dh,

While I appreciate what you are saying, and you may well be correct, the mills are not behaving the way they were supposed to. They where supposed to be the most white shamed group ever, but they just don't care. They are also much more pro life then they supposed to be, and more pro gun. Now, they are more pro drug and gay, but they are not following their boomer for bearers in lock step.

In my (very small) sample set, they are VERY upset that Bill Clinton wasn't arrested, and that Hill seemed to go along with crimes also. Not sure how this plays out, but I doubt the Mills will stay in the Dem camp forever. I honestly think that both parties are near the end of their life cycle.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes May 27, 2016 12:09 PM  

Anyone who puts faith in polls is an idiot. They have less reliability than the weather report.

Anonymous RedJack May 27, 2016 12:10 PM  

Jack Amok wrote: know you've spent the last 8 years believing that the demographics have changed so much that the GOP can never possibly win again.

The old Demographics don't mean anything anyway - the sands are shifting. This is either the last election of the old era, or the first one of the new era. If it's the last of the old era, Clinton stands a chance, but if it's the first of a new era, she's toast toast toast.

The new era isn't liberal vs conservative, it's the crumbling establishment vs the Fix-Something-For-Fuck's-Sake movement. And there isn't a more establishment candidate than Clinton, or a more "lets' roll the dice with this guy" candidate than Trump.

Sanders is the other wild card. If he goes 3rd party, he will pull a large chunk of voters with him. The only problem with the "Fix it!" crowd is that means pain. Large amounts of pain. No one wants to do that. Illinois is so screwed up that the schools will shut down for summer and maybe not start up again. Why? No one wants to pass a realistic budget. The Fixers will not be able to do much.

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 27, 2016 12:10 PM  

know you've spent the last 8 years believing that the demographics have changed so much that the GOP can never possibly win again

This is true if white voters are more or less static. That the last 2 white voters in a state will split their votes 45/55 more or less like they do now then yes, the demographics have already decided the future and dh is correct and it's all over but the crying.

Blogger Desiderius May 27, 2016 12:13 PM  

"Every man that has ever sat through some PC bullshit "training session" from HR at his job saw Trump's reaction to their shaming... and yelled "HELL YES! DON'T BACK DOWN!""

And Cruz lost me when he joined the pile on blaming Trump for the violence of anti-Trump protesters.

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 12:13 PM  

@Nate
reading comprehension fail. "since" doesn't mean they did it back then. it means they have been doing it continually dating back to that time. That is why I brought up McCain and Romney... and Santorum... and Dubya.. to demonstrate that continuity. It never went out of style to talk about illegal immigration.

Double reading comprehension fail. Just because it happened back then, whether Reagan or Romney, doesn't mean it was happening just a year ago.

no. Politicians don't decide what is popular or acceptible. The public does. That's what the Overton Window is about. The public was fine with dicussing limiting immigration. The washington elite just didn't know that. Trump didn't expand anything. he looked around and realized the public opinion was far to the right of what was commonly believed to be true.

Another reading comprehension fail. No, politicians don't decide what is popular and acceptable. Then again, the latter is debateable vis-a-vis obscenity laws where they literally decide what is defined as acceptable.

Regardless. Average Representative Joe Schmoe doesn't decide what is within the acceptable. Any sufficiently charismatic man, however, affects the social perceptions of those under him.

No. Illegal immigration was never off the table. I have no idea where you would even get the idea that it was off the table. There have been columns on it continually.

Nate... it was off the table when it appeared none of the Republicans were doing anything about it (except for a very few) and the constantly-losing GOPe were making noises about "Well, I guess we'll have to pass permanent amnesty... Shucks, what a shame. Guess we lost again! We'll get 'im next time, we swear for real!"

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 12:17 PM  

@RedJack
Sanders is the other wild card. If he goes 3rd party, he will pull a large chunk of voters with him. The only problem with the "Fix it!" crowd is that means pain. Large amounts of pain. No one wants to do that. Illinois is so screwed up that the schools will shut down for summer and maybe not start up again. Why? No one wants to pass a realistic budget. The Fixers will not be able to do much.

And it's all that terrible, terrible Rauner's fault!

...ugh. No one says anything about the state workers begging for even more money when they're the highest paid in the nation, or the state legislature not wanting to even send something decent to Rauner...

Anonymous Jack Amok May 27, 2016 12:18 PM  

The Fixers will not be able to do much.

Not until the establishment is shoved off onto their iceberg. The question is, how much more has to get broken and how much blood has to be shed to get them there?

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 12:20 PM  

"Nate... it was off the table when it appeared none of the Republicans were doing anything about it "

Dude.

I've posted links from everyone from Red State to NRO showing GOPe types lamenting illegal immigration. You've lost your damned mind.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 27, 2016 12:20 PM  

@dh

One question and I'm not being a bitch about this, I am genuinely curious.

Did you predict Trump winning the GOP nomination?

Blogger Desiderius May 27, 2016 12:21 PM  

The dominant culture is Niceianity (cardinal sin = mellow-harshing), the SJWs/BLM/Sorosites functioning as parasites on that host. Goldberg/cucks/tradcons/neverTrumpers want to fight the parasites because they endanger their beloved Niceianity. The alt-right wants to overthrow Niceianity itself (not least because of its vulnerability to/impotence in the face of those parasites).

In the short term, the two have common interests because they share an enemy. In the medium to long term, either the alt-right will prevail or the host will wither away. The cucks are fighting at best a rear-guard action.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 12:21 PM  

Anyone who puts faith in polls is an idiot. They have less reliability than the weather report.

If you know what you are doing and how to asses them it's very reliable. You should go back and look at 2008 and 2012 on here, and look at what I wrote then compared to what I am writing now. It hasn't changed much.

National polling is not very useful. A redundant array of individual state polls is very reliable. Counting EV's is very reliable. Looking at big national polls is not reliable.

We'll see what happens come November. My confidence interval is pretty high.

Blogger Desiderius May 27, 2016 12:23 PM  

"There have been columns on it continually"

Columns, Nate, seriously?

Columns with no air, naval, or artillery support.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 12:24 PM  

Did you predict Trump winning the GOP nomination?

I didn't follow the primary very closely. Before the first voting happened, I believe I wrote here or somewhere that I didn't think Trump would win. After South Carolina, like everyone who followed the process at all (like VD and others) I recognized that Trump would win. Anyone, in my opinion, who thought Trump wouldn't win after he cleaned up on March 1st in Massachusetts was not realizing the reality of the situation.

Anonymous Andrew E. May 27, 2016 12:24 PM  

I've posted links from everyone from Red State to NRO showing GOPe types lamenting illegal immigration. You've lost your damned mind.

I want to see the Red State and NRO articles calling forthrightly and strongly for deportations of all illegals as non-negotiable plank in immigration reform.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 27, 2016 12:28 PM  

Romney says that he opposes Trump for the sake of his grand kids.

Sir, if not for Trump, there won't be a nation left for your grand kids.

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 12:29 PM  

@Nate
I've posted links from everyone from Red State to NRO showing GOPe types lamenting illegal immigration. You've lost your damned mind.

Because cuckservatives have never, ever said one thing and then never showed up to fight for it?

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 12:30 PM  

the demographics have already decided the future and dh is correct and it's all over but the crying.

I am not that sanguine about conservatives hopes for the future. I actually think that giving up on competing for the WH would do great things for the GOP. They need to continue to dominate the US House, and lesser, keep the Senate above 40 seats. If they do that they can accomplish almost all of their goals with ease.

For example, other than bad tactics and statesmanship, there is no reason that we don't have a balanced budget right now.

The House is very poorly run in that regards.

Blogger David Power May 27, 2016 12:31 PM  



What is entirely missing from this article is Goldberg's Jewishness. And the fact that his real loyalties lay entirely with the Zionist cuckoos of the Republican Party that suffocated American Conservitism by making every issue a *what's in it for Israel* issue.

Goldberg can denounce all he wants about "Liberal Fascism" but the fact is, he and his spiritual homeland, have benefited from infiltrating, corrupting and now effectively destroying the only political force capable of fighting against it.

Time to get back to genuine 'America First' Republicanism.

Kissinger and Goldberg are dead, long live Trump and Milo.

Blogger Stilicho May 27, 2016 12:38 PM  

dh always preaches the gospel of despair, he's just less honest about it than Porky who, for all of his flaws, wasn't a leftist like dh.

dh the Borg prophet: "resistance is futile. You will be inseminated (by the foreign socialist orcs).

Anonymous Jack Amok May 27, 2016 12:39 PM  

No. Illegal immigration was never off the table. I have no idea where you would even get the idea that it was off the table. There have been columns on it continually.

Dude, you're the one complaining Trump hasn't done anything yet but talk. So, he's already at least as good as the rest of them.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 27, 2016 12:45 PM  

Regarding music for the youts these days, what I see is a lot of happy, bouncy, dancey stuff with minimal lyrics. A little puzzling at first for someone who listened to Accept and Judas Priest and Ted Nugent in High School. Until you realize it's the same feel as the happy, bouncy, dancey Swing music people listened to during the Depression and WWII.

Us old-fogey X-ers think you go into battle with a Death Metal soundtrack, but history seems to say we listen to happy music when we're really serious about fighting. What's the point of fighting for a 19 year old if he can't stay up all night to get lucky?

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 27, 2016 12:51 PM  

@dh

I didn't follow the primary very closely. Before the first voting happened, I believe I wrote here or somewhere that I didn't think Trump would win. After South Carolina, like everyone who followed the process at all (like VD and others) I recognized that Trump would win. Anyone, in my opinion, who thought Trump wouldn't win after he cleaned up on March 1st in Massachusetts was not realizing the reality of the situation.

Clear, concise and well presented, sir.

My own take.

First of all I called it wrong. I didn't think Trump was going to get the nomination. At first I was certain that he would flame out. Then, I thought at best he was going to go into the convention with lead in delegates and lose on the second ballot. My bad. I missed it completely.

I don't hold polls in contempt but a lot of that analysis is based upon past performance and that is now unreliable as a data point because this is situation where both parties are clearly and obviously going through a crisis of legitimacy. Given how huge the undecided market is, I can't make a meaningful projection. I may as well piss into the wind and follow the stream.

Regardless, I am supporting and voting for Donald Trump. That was a...disagreeable decision...for me to make but I've made it. I have progressed through the stages grief over the Cruz lose.

I have decided it's time to, "lean forward and commit."

Anonymous mature-Craig May 27, 2016 1:19 PM  

It never went out of style to talk about illegal immigration.


its resonating more now because the economy is bad, and Trump is bringing it up a lot

Anonymous BGKB May 27, 2016 1:57 PM  

I've posted links from everyone from Red State to NRO showing GOPe types lamenting illegal immigration. You've lost your damned mind.

They talked about illegal aliens in the closet. Just like Clinton raided a closet to deport Elian Gonzales because they knew only the smart Cuban's fled. Trump was the first to talk about it in mixed company.

93 Look... here is an article on illegal immigration from 2013 the Chief Cucks Themselves at Red State: http://www.redstate.com/diary/1strichard/2013/03/24/illegal-immigration/

Great cucks on fire
ILLEGAL and ALIEN are never adjacent to each other on what you cited, except in the comments.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/352919/kill-bill-william-kristol-rich-lowry IS EVEN WORSE the only use of the word ALIEN is "the 26 who stared on the movie Aliens" link @98


the Red State and NRO articles calling forthrightly and strongly for deportations of all illegals as non-negotiable plank

As shown above NATE's proof can't even put ILLEGAL and ALIEN next to each other, ctrl+f alien .

It is wise for them to reject immigration from the third world as the immigrants do not look highly upon their lifestyle.

How many times do NY Times reporters need to be beaten up by rough trade before they change their tune?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2016 2:01 PM  

@dh is exactly the sort of analyst that the GOP candidates hire to advise them on running their campaigns. Detailed technical analysis of precinct-by-precinct polling should tell them exactly what's happening, and what the proper response is.
Trump used NONE of their services and blew them all out of the water. Their analysis is simply not that useful.
I knew Trump would take the nomination in January. How? When I saw he could pull in 10-20K people, fill a stadium for a a political rally. That's a level of popularity and enthusiasm no-one else could match.
Even now, Hillary is drawing maybe 100 to 200, and frankly most of them are local political operatives, precinct committeemen, activists and such.
Huge numbers of Sanders voters are truly disgusted with Hillary and the party. Some of them will vote for Hillary anyway. Some will vote for Trump. Many will simply not vote. In some states, like Washington and Oregon, that are reliably Dem in presidential elections, they are the majority of the party.

dh wrote:I am not that sanguine about conservatives hopes for the future. I actually think that giving up on competing for the WH would do great things for the GOP. They need to continue to dominate the US House, and lesser, keep the Senate above 40 seats. If they do that they can accomplish almost all of their goals with ease.

For example, other than bad tactics and statesmanship, there is no reason that we don't have a balanced budget right now.

And again, the counsel of surrender. Fuck you. If you cannot bear to fight if might lose, then shut up and get the fuck out of the way.

"We are not called to win. We are called to do our duty. God will take of victory or failure" --Mother Theresa

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2016 2:04 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:Us old-fogey X-ers think you go into battle with a Death Metal soundtrack, but history seems to say we listen to happy music when we're really serious about fighting. What's the point of fighting for a 19 year old if he can't stay up all night to get lucky?
It's the legacy of Irish and Scottish music. Songs of war are happy, thrilling, inspiring. Love songs are laments.

Anonymous RedJack May 27, 2016 2:05 PM  

Student in Blue.

My bride is a high school teacher in IL. Ironically, in a district that is self funded to the point they won't shut down, and diverse enough they won't be attacked by the new segregationists.

But even there, things are going to get interesting. We live in Iowa, and our county government is a third of the size of its counterpart in IL, with more population. IL is already talking about demanding "reparations" from the Iowa side of the river for all the people fleeing and moving across, not to mention that some of the school board is pulling there kids out of the district and moving them to Iowa.

Illinois is toast. While the current governor is trying to fix it, the rest of the government is not willing to do so. Simply put, Rauner is not part of the governing class, and will not be there after his term is done. The rank and file Reps want to turn this into a career, and that means kicking the can down the road till they retire with a nice fat pension.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2016 2:06 PM  

dh wrote:For example, other than bad tactics and statesmanship, there is no reason that we don't have a balanced budget right now.

The House is very poorly run in that regards.

No, the House is run very well in that regard. The reason we don't have a balanced udget is that the GOP does not want one, and hasn't wanted one since at least the mid-80's

Blogger dienw May 27, 2016 2:10 PM  

ter wrote:@34 Quartermas

RtC, I was alt-right in the 70s, although it wasn’t called that. The alt-right is hardly quasi-Nazi. To a leftist who thinks anything to the right of Stalin is a Nazi, perhaps, but that’s the only crowd that accepts such stupidity.

Back in the late 60s and into the 70s the then alt-right went by the name Young Americans for Freedom: YAF. We were the counters to the SDS.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 2:16 PM  

"Great cucks on fire ILLEGAL and ALIEN are never adjacent to each other on what you cited, except in the comments"


hey dumbass.

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2014/05/20/obama-poised-allow-illegal-aliens-enlist-armed-forces/

How about "illegal Aliens" right in the headline?

May. 2014.

you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Anonymous GreyS May 27, 2016 2:19 PM  

Jonah's a nice guy but he ended up trapping himself by straining so hard to be That Humorous Yet Insightful Republican Pundit while being in bed with the corporate think tank boys.

He simply chose money and family security-- no great crime, but look at the differences between Jonah's (past) and Milo's (current) college appearances and pundit show efforts.

One is James Carville-esque and the other is rocking the entire boat instead of punching the clock.

Blogger Nate May 27, 2016 2:22 PM  

"Because cuckservatives have never, ever said one thing and then never showed up to fight for it?"

Well actually if you bothered to read you'd know the only reason we even GET to have this debate right now is because SOMEONE shut down the Gang of 8 Amnesty bill.

See it already would've happened. But it didn't.

And low and behold.. even the cucks at NRO were against it.


Ya know the point here isn't to bash Trump. But this is why people say Trump supporters are low info. Because you are. You think things like "no one talked illegal immigrants before trump" oh wait I mean.. "illegal aliens" Oh wait... I mean... "no one ever did anything about it!"

Except when they did.

Stopping amnesty is DOING something.

now I sincerely hope Trump does what he says he is going to do. And I am convinced he is going to win in a landslide. But making shit up about what has and has not happened over the last 5 to 10 years in politics helps no one.

Blogger JLanceCombs May 27, 2016 2:29 PM  

"the equivalent of early techno in the 1990s"

Probably synthwave. Sort of obscure, but with loyal fan followings. Often used in entertainment media, but the majority public is mostly unaware of it.

Blogger RobertT May 27, 2016 2:31 PM  

"The young men seek to fight on what the left thought was safe turf."

I don't see the evidence ...

I may be considered an "old" man, not that I agree ... but I'm ok with Milo's tactics. You could say the same thing about another old man (my identical age) Donald Trump. He's doing the same thing. Taking the battle to the left on ground no one before him was willing to touch. At 47 you (an iconic figure helping to push the alt right agenda) rank somewhere in between, neither young nor old.

So, the premise that the alt right is a youth movement baffles me. This is an interesting article. Tons of great advice about labeling, but I don't believe there's an age element to whatever rift may exist in the alt right. Although that rift is news to me.

Also, although the alt right may have been birthed in the pick-up movement, I don't see alt right as a youth movement. Bernie's Bernie's movement, pure communism, is a youth movement. I read an article yesterday describing how the Millenials are attracted to freebies. That may be possibly an element of the alt right, but it's definitely not the defining element.

Blogger John Wright May 27, 2016 2:32 PM  

"I used to identify myself as conservative, but I reached the point where I couldn't justify it. What is the movement trying to do?"

I identify as a conservative, because when I call myself a Constitutionalist, no one knows what I mean.

We conservatives have seven core beliefs:

1. Reality is real. Reality is not optional.
2. Speech which does not conform to reality is falsehood; thought, madness
3. Beauty is real, and ennobles the soul; ugliness is foul, and fit for satire only. Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder.
4.Human life from conception until natural death is sacred; animal life is livestock; abortion and euthanasia are satanic.
5. Virginity and marriage are sacred; adultery is a crime; sodomy is a crime against nature, or a mental disease, or both.
6. The Rights of Man are sacred, including the rights to life, liberty, property. The right to life means all men are equal in rank at birth: a peasant and an aristocrat have the same right to life: they are equal.

The right to liberty means no man is required to support an able-bodied man.

The right to property means the government must back currency with gold, and have no central bank.

From the equality of man, we deduce that no man can be trusted with unbridled power over another: pragmatically, this means creating and upholding laws and customs that promote morality; legally, it means upholding objective law, constitutional and limited government, separation of powers, federalism, and limiting the franchise to landowners, clergy, professionals and tradesmen taking no money from taxpayers. It means an armed citizenry jealous of its rights and suspicious of central government.

The government is a necessary evil meant to promote morality and defend these sacred rights.

Defense against internal corruption means having a strong moral fiber; defense against crime means a strong police force that uphold the common law, it means public trials by jury, and no double jeopardy and no self incrimination; defense against foreign powers means having a strong military freed from political fashion-statements.

7. All sacred things come from God.

Now, for the life of me, I have no idea why these seven simple ideas have no name to sum them up.

You can call us 'conservative' only if you live where they are currently in place and need to be conserved, but the term is deliberately misleading, because it implies loyalty to the ideas not because the ideas are good, but only because they are old.

Calling us Constitutionalist is misleading, because we oppose the seventeenth amendment and federal tax on incomes. We uphold our ideals because they are true and good, not because they are or are not written down.

You can call us objectivists, because we think reality is real, but that name is dumb, and taken.

You can call us humanists, because we have the sole moral way human beings can live in peace with each other, or call us liberals because we love liberty, or call us progressives, because progress in industry, art, and science is only IMAGINABLE in a society upholding our virtues: but all these words have been coopted by our enemies, and mean the exact opposite of what they should mean.

Blogger Sevron May 27, 2016 2:37 PM  

Forgive me, John. What you wrote sounds nice, but there is no widespread political movement organized around those principles.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 2:49 PM  

Snidley--

You are being really inane. HIring "pollsters" and reading "polls" are not the same thing. The first group are people that work and test messaging and messages for politicians, to try to find the best way to present a message. You only need a pollster if you are trying to sell a crappy message that's not already popular. Mr. Trump has upended the political realm by going "off message". Almost every other GOP candidate spent heavily on pollsters, as they always to do, to try to find ways to sell their really unpopular policies, while ignoring populist, popular policies that need no help being sold. "Build the wall" is a message that wasn't even in the lexicon of major campaigns until Mr. Trump launched it, and now it's part of political opinion polling. That's because Mr. Trump is a leader.

Reading opinion surveys, or opinion polls, doesn't mean you have pollsters, and it's not something politicians really need to do. They are not designed to sell a message, they are designed to predict elections. Well designed polls are actually very accurate at doing that, and when you take many polls, that are all methodologically sound, and average them together, you get a very accurate picture of what the races outcomes are likely to be. When you take just the raw polling averages, combine those together, and use that to pick a state-based winner, it's far more accurate than any pundit has ever been.

Huge numbers of Sanders voters are truly disgusted with Hillary and the party. Some of them will vote for Hillary anyway. Some will vote for Trump. Many will simply not vote. In some states, like Washington and Oregon, that are reliably Dem in presidential elections, they are the majority of the party.

This is based on your balls, not science or data. Right now, 1-in-4 Bernie voters say they won't vote for Hillary. Link: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-supporters-not-vote-clinton-221642

In 2008, 1-in-2 Hillary voters said they would never back Obama. Link: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

In the general election, only 9% of Democrats voted for McCain. Just about the same number that always does. And Independents broke 54-45 for Obama. Link: http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2008/

I.e. people who are committed party members always fall in line. For Democrats, it's always for the environment, or raciss, or social security, or whatever. For Republicans, it's always for scary terrorists, or the Supreme Court, or teh gays.

If you think that this election will be different, that's a fine opinion to have, but you should recognize it would a unique situation in recent electoral politics, the data does not show it, and the data is almost always right. If you want to argue from that point forward, all ears, but because your balls say so isn't convincing to me.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 2:49 PM  

(continued)

And again, the counsel of surrender. Fuck you. If you cannot bear to fight if might lose, then shut up and get the fuck out of the way.

All your tough talk melts away when Texas flips to being reliably Democrat because of Latino votes. In 2020, it will happen for the first time, by 2024, it will be permanent. It could happen this year if Sec. Clinton chooses a Texas Latino for VP. When that happens, CA, TX, and NY will be 124 electoral votes, out of 270 needed to win the White House. There will be almost no path for any Republican to win the White House, let alone a White Male Republican.

The House should be the most powerful organ of government. Because of mismanagement and an inexplicable desire to lose, it's perpetually the bitch of Washington DC. A strong Republican majority could completely cow the Executive branch in about 6 weeks with the correct leadership and tactics. It used to be this way, and it can return that way. Once the GOP stops caring about trying to look good to the masses who are never going to vote for them anyways, they may grow a clue and start winning.

Anonymous RedJack May 27, 2016 2:50 PM  

John

That looks great, but no group holds those ideals in politics. I used to refer to myself as "Pro civilization" till I realized that this civilization views those seven ideals as totally evil. The civilization we live in today values nihilism, ugliness, and death. It's only ideals are those opposed to mine. Its only hope is that of one where all are able to destroy themselves.

So I am either a barbarian (since the current civilization views me as uncivilized) or one who is trying to build a civilization.

Anonymous Andrew E. May 27, 2016 2:51 PM  

Stopping amnesty is DOING something.

Anything short of deportation is amnesty. Only one man came to understand that and built a winning presidential campaign around that truth. 'Either we have a country or we don't. Without borders you don't have a country.'

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean May 27, 2016 2:53 PM  

John Wright for President.

Anonymous RedJack May 27, 2016 2:54 PM  

dh,

Texas will flip, but that doesn't mean the Dems have a hold on the government. The Dems have been riding the tiger of a collection of groups for a long time. Their only unifying goal was revenge on the majority. Once the former majority goes away, those same groups will eat each other. Now, that doesn't mean the GOP will win, far from it. It means that at least two new parties will arise.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2016 3:00 PM  

dh wrote:They are not designed to sell a message, they are designed to predict elections. Well designed polls are actually very accurate at doing that, and when you take many polls, that are all methodologically sound, and average them together, you get a very accurate picture of what the races outcomes are likely to be.
No, general release polls are, at this stage of the contest, designed to sway voters. It's only in the September and October that they convert to election prediction.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 27, 2016 3:03 PM  

@59 BGKB

If you plan to survive the nig apocalypse you should have at least 6 months of shelf stable food along with fruit/nut trees.
---

If Trump proves worthy of trust, and we get 2 terms, then that should be time enough to prepare a few trees and get them going

Blogger SirHamster May 27, 2016 3:04 PM  

Markku wrote:Compare the "regional interest" maps for the three.

THERE'S YER PROBLEM



Jonah is only US. VD is plurality US with appeal to the rest of the Americas (Canada, Brazil) and UK. Milo has worldwide appeal to former British Empire (UK, Canada, Aus, US), with US coming in #4.


Trying to guess at the US influence:
Jonah - 4 @ 100/100 US -> 4
Vox - 9 @ 100/230~ US -> 4~, about on par with Jonah
Milo - 100 @ 70~/380~ -> 20~, 5x Jonah

The graph comparing Milo to Trump/Hillary/Putin is instructive. Treating Trump's line as a potential ceiling, Milo has a lot of room to grow.

Blogger John Wright May 27, 2016 3:11 PM  

@144
"What you wrote sounds nice, but there is no widespread political movement organized around those principles."

If so, ask yourself why that is?

Christians are weak, and are no longer willing to die for heaven. The Left is strong, because they are willing to die for hell.

The only people willing to die for their beliefs are the Mohammedans and the Sodomites. World War Three will be between the black flag of Islam and the rainbow flag of LGBTL&c

Anonymous Cheddarman May 27, 2016 3:15 PM  

Arguing that women won't vote in a majority for Trump is like arguing that Princess Leiah would not fall for Hans Solo...she would deny it all along, but we know better

Blogger John Wright May 27, 2016 3:33 PM  

@149
"John Wright for President."

Thank you, citizens. I would be the least effective president, ever, since I would act entirely within the constraints of the Constitution: so not a single trooper would be sent overseas unless Congress puts a Declaration of War on my desk.

No budget would be signed unless properly proposed by the House and voted in by the Senate. And if it does not balance, it is not signed.

I would fire each and every member of every Federal agency not specifically provided for in the list of enumerated powers: no Departments of Energy, Education, Trade, Environment, Housing, and on and on and on. All of it would be shut down.

No budget allowing for a single dime of Welfare gets signed. It is not a power the Constitution grants the Congress.

I would declare a state of national emergency due to the number of foreign nationals currently in the nation amounting to an invasion, and proclaim military law.

Under the military law, I would have all nine members of the Supreme Court arrested as traitors, and sent to Gitmo.

I would order the troopers to arrest the members of the Federal Reserve Board, as they are, in effect, officers of a foreign power operating on our soil, and have no Constitutional Authority to act.

I would order soldiers to storm the offices of the New York Times and have the editorial board members shot without trial.

I would then appoint nine random men selected from the Yellow Pages to fill the positions: and then declare martial law no longer to be in effect.

I would then ask the Department of Naturalization (which actually is provided for in the constitution) to remove all illegal aliens, no matter the time, trouble, or expense. If Operation Wetback can do it, Operation Enforce the Damned Law can do it.

My yearly State of the Union address would be done by written letter, as Jefferson did it.

I would then shut down the government and tell the state governments to take back control of their own business, and only call me if a war needs fighting.

President Wright would be King Log.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 27, 2016 3:37 PM  

@118 Desiderius

Our enemy is an oyster. The lefties are the meat. But the shell is the bogus cucks, neocons, etc. Once you get past that shell, grab a beer and get to work :P

Anonymous BGKB May 27, 2016 3:40 PM  

hey dumbass. How about "illegal Aliens" right in the headline? May. 2014.

Maybe you should have posted that instead. Even that article doesn't suggest deporting The ones you listed didn't have illegal next to ctrl+f alien at all.

If Trump proves worthy of trust, and we get 2 terms, then that should be time enough to prepare a few trees and get them going

If you have time put swales above your fruit trees. http://www.permies.com/t/28896/earthworks/Swale-berm-planting-suggestions

Arguing that women won't vote in a majority for Trump is like arguing that Princess Leiah would not fall for Hans Solo

I think Ed Rendell is right about HilLIARy and the ugly women vote

Anonymous RedJack May 27, 2016 3:46 PM  

John Wright wrote:@144

"What you wrote sounds nice, but there is no widespread political movement organized around those principles."

If so, ask yourself why that is?

Christians are weak, and are no longer willing to die for heaven. The Left is strong, because they are willing to die for hell.

The only people willing to die for their beliefs are the Mohammedans and the Sodomites. World War Three will be between the black flag of Islam and the rainbow flag of LGBTL&c

It is because what used to be Christendom has split between those two factions. Either friends of islam or friends of LGBTLX or whatever. To claim to hold what the Faith used to teach us (both of us, Lutheran or Roman Catholic) is to be proclaimed as enemies of the gods and beyond evil. Few will do that. Most of the Faithful will turn in to Pietists. Very few will be martyrs when their own communions turn against them.

My great Grandfather fled what is now Germany because he would not pray in the Kaiser's church. He was right to do so, but was proclaimed a traitor by all good "Germans" (a nation state that was very young). But the old Lutherans stood fast by him, and followed him to the New World. Today, I know many who when they say they do not want islam to be taught in the schools and men going to the same bathroom as their little girls being threatened with excommunication (the Pope is for that they are told, though I doubt he is). I see people saying that abortion is wrong being attacked as anti woman by the very people who should be standing up for the preborn and elderly.

When your leaders of you faith attack you for holding fast to that faith, what do you do? Or rather, when you hold fast to what used to be taught to attain heaven, and get told by the priest or pastor that is sending you to hell, what do you do?

John, I hate to say this, but the church in the West has become lukewarm. Her lampstand is in danger of being removed. I have met, and prayed with, Christian brothers from other climes. They will not preserve what is called Western Civilization, but they hold more true to the Faith than the perfumed princes demanding we accommodate very vice so they can keep their tax exempt status.

That is why I no longer call myself a conservative. There is naught left to conserve, but much to rebuild.

Blogger Student in Blue May 27, 2016 3:49 PM  

@140. Nate
Well actually if you bothered to read you'd know the only reason we even GET to have this debate right now is because SOMEONE shut down the Gang of 8 Amnesty bill.

Yeah, I wonder who? Oh, it wasn't any of the politicians doing their job, just trying to save their skin.

And low and behold.. even the cucks at NRO were against it.

They're always *say* they're against a ton of stuff. What have they actually done? And either way, NRO isn't the GOPe, they just carry water for them. And the GOPe were who tried to force Gang of 8 despite the will of the populace.

You think things like "no one talked illegal immigrants before trump" oh wait I mean.. "illegal aliens" Oh wait... I mean... "no one ever did anything about it!"

To be fair, your objection was rather along the lines of "There was no taboo!" as well as "That's dumb it's just words!" which missed the point that anything anti-immigrant was being automatically labeled as racist. You still hadn't proved the "There was no taboo!" line of argument, if you were indeed trying to go that route.

If there wasn't a taboo against strong rhetoric against illegal immigrants/aliens, why would there have been such a strong outcry against Trump and a constant demand to apologize, bow down and kiss the ring? In personal experiences, anything verging on anti-refugees in Europe was immediately lambasted with "RACIST!", and the left was hard at work trying to equate the illegals in Europe with America.

On the other hand, I believe you were correct that if Trump was there, there was still likely to be one candidate who would utter those lines in a negative manner - Cruz. He would've been swept aside by the media who could successfully label him as "crazy" however, so it wouldn't have gone anywhere.

The fact that you think I stuttered and backed off from "illegal aliens" to instead shift goal posts to "no one ever did anything about it!" shows you failed reading comprehension yet again.

Stopping amnesty is DOING something.

They didn't do spit except dodge a bullet at the last minute.

Blogger tublecane May 27, 2016 3:58 PM  

I think the generational thing is overestimated, as I usually do. Partly this is because generations are arbitrary; I've had at least three labels assigned to me in my lifetime (Gen X, Gen Y, and the millennials). There is a real difference between me and Jonah Goldberg, in that I grew up with Nintendo owning my brain (when Disney wasn't using it), I can barely remember there being no internet, and the modern SJW roamed the prairies of the university I attended a few years back. However, I don't particularly care about Gamergate, I despise social media, and think the right should abandon colleges to their own decadence.

Trump is a baby boomer, and what he's accomplished is worth a thousand Milos, whose work I do respect and admire, by the way.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 27, 2016 3:59 PM  

@156

You got my vote

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 27, 2016 4:01 PM  

Texas flipping blue is the ultimate kill shot for the Democrats and dh is right, it is inevitable given the demographic trends in the state, but I think that 2020 is way too early, more like 2024 or after as about 22% of Texas Hispanics are Red.

In case anyone is confused the reason the Cucks pander to the Hispanics so much is that they realize they have no hope of ever reaching Blacks, and so they were (and I suppose are) pinning their slim hopes on converting enough Hispanics to win the presidency by thin margins.

The assumption here is that white voters continue to split their votes roughly 50/50 in perpetuity. It's not an unreasonable assumption given past data, but dangerous one given the effects of stress on a population leading to a rise of tribalism.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2016 4:06 PM  

And what happens when we remove Taquito?

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 27, 2016 4:09 PM  

GOP Future: Demographic Trends and the Road to the White House

This is an interesting map to play with and as it stands right now Trump needs +4% (to a total of 63% white vote over what Romney got to win the WH, or +3% (to 62%) and 10% of the Black vote.

Anonymous minimalist May 27, 2016 4:31 PM  

@41: SingSling

If by techno you mean Techno then Surgeon, formerly of British Murder Boys gets playtime on my current playlist.

Never thought I'd see the day when Surgeon/BMB gets mentioned on Vox Popoli. All this time, I thought I was the only one on here familiar with proper techno music.

Blogger dh May 27, 2016 4:32 PM  

No, general release polls are, at this stage of the contest, designed to sway voters. It's only in the September and October that they convert to election prediction.

They are designed to reflect what would happen if the election was today. We know that what you say is false because the questions, methodology, and timing of the polls doesn't change between the far out (5 months like now) and the close proximity (1-2 months out). What's different is people are paying more attention. But even then, most people's minds are made up - the cake is already almost totally baked. The amount of movement in the last 5 cycles between the end of the convention and election day is very small.

McCain had the right idea - to shake up the electorate by doing somet bold - like picking Palin as VP. It's just his idea of bold was bad.

Trump may have the same idea this time, and it may work, if he's in the same place a few weeks out.

Debates move the needle, good ad campaigns can move the needle (but not so much anymore), and big events can move the needle.

Anonymous mature craig May 27, 2016 4:52 PM  

@401 African Americans can be converted from democrat to republican I used to do that a lot before I started not liking republicans but now I'm starting to like some republicans again

Blogger John Wright May 27, 2016 4:59 PM  

@159

" Today, I know many who when they say they do not want islam to be taught in the schools and men going to the same bathroom as their little girls being threatened with excommunication (the Pope is for that they are told, though I doubt he is)"

I don't know where you are getting your information about the Pope, but do not trust the Press, who endlessly, and with endless lies, try to portray the Holy Father as one of them.

Every single story I read in the press, when I took the time to look up the original transcript, original statement, or original letter, turned out to be a lie. Every. Single. Damned. One.

I now simply assume that whatever the press says about the Pope is the direct opposite of the truth.

As for excommunicating anyone opposing letting perverts into the girl's bathrooms, see Amoris Laetitia

https://w2.vatican.va/content/dam/francesco/pdf/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia_en.pdf

See in particular paragraph 285, which I quote in part:

"Beyond the understandable difficulties which individuals may experience, the young need to be helped to accept their own body as it was created, for “thinking that we enjoy absolute power over our own bodies turns, often subtly, into thinking that we enjoy absolute power over creation… An appreciation of our body as male or female is also necessary for our own self-awareness in an encounter with others different from ourselves. In this way we can joyfully accept the specific gifts of another man or woman, the work of God the Creator, and find mutual enrichment” Only by losing the fear of being different, can we be freed of self-centredness and self-absorption. Sex education should help young people to accept their own bodies and to avoid the pretension “to cancel out sexual difference because one no longer knows how to deal with it”.

Blogger David May 27, 2016 4:59 PM  

Trump is a dangerous 'grenade'. We are going to roll him into the officers' tent in D.C. 'KAABOOM!!!'

Fragging time. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Anonymous mature craig May 27, 2016 5:16 PM  

Re 452 pm. Also I believe that the republican party was originally founded on a platform of abolishing slavery.

Anonymous Laz May 27, 2016 5:43 PM  

@101. Scintan

"Are you saying that Nate loves Glock?"

Maybe (shrugs shoulders innocently)

Blogger Josh May 27, 2016 5:58 PM  

What is entirely missing from this article is Goldberg's Jewishness. And the fact that his real loyalties lay entirely with the Zionist cuckoos of the Republican Party that suffocated American Conservitism by making every issue a *what's in it for Israel* issue.

"Anti-semitism remains the great bigotry of our species"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2016 6:06 PM  

Meh.
Milo is Jewish as well. He just doesn't parade it, and doesn't think that Israel is the measure of every policy.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2016 6:07 PM  

Josh wrote:"Anti-semitism remains the great bigotry of our species"

Bullshit.

Blogger Josh May 27, 2016 6:12 PM  

Bullshit

Take it up with Milo

Anonymous BGKB May 27, 2016 6:41 PM  

"Are you saying that Nate loves Glock?"

Hey NATE, Col Tom Kratman Advocates for 7.62
http://www.everyjoe.com/2016/05/23/politics/war-retain-us-southwest-ounce-of-prevention/#1

Anonymous Ronnie May 27, 2016 7:29 PM  

@163

I agree that blacks are out of reach. They carry a deep resentment for being born black. Anything they can do to "stick it to the man" they will do. Even if it is not in their best interests, an obvious example is Mexican immigration which puts Mexicans in a competitive playing field for jobs and land.

Mexicans have displaced blacks throughout Los Angeles yet the vast majority will still support Clinton who will pander to illegal aliens and will eventually legalize them causing even more pain the the black community.

Who cares, pandering to blacks is in effective.

Anonymous mature-Craig May 27, 2016 7:33 PM  

@90 or at least drastically revamp them, and teach them addition and subtraction multiplication and division

Blogger tz May 27, 2016 7:53 PM  

@29 - agreed.

@36 - the neo-Cucks are totally rabid, radical when it pertains to anything even indirectly related to Israel. When it is something like the collapse of the economy they are indifferent.

Milo took on blue-haired land-whale Randi Harper.

Jonah appears to be swallowed by any and all.

Anonymous Quartermaster May 27, 2016 7:57 PM  

@156
A few points of disagreement.
1. The staff of the New York Slimes: While I'm sure the Infantry taking the Slimes editorial offices

2. I'd just send Thomas and Alito home. Roberts, Kennedy, and the rest of the leftards on the SCOTUS

3. I'd hang the bureaucrats at EPA. Sending them home is allowing the enemy to live. Same with the rest of the regulatory bureaucrats. Kill 'em all. Satan will recognize his own.

4. You need to kill most of Congress as well. Exile the rest after taking their citizenship. People like Corker, Graham, Ryan, and McCain simply need to exit life.

Please, don't select people from the yellow pages. That's where the Lawyers are listed.

@159
The conditions in the Church now were predicted 2000 years ago. No surprises. Christ used the Church at Laodecea as prototypical of the modern Church. Christ also said what he would do to that Church.

@163
People have been telling the GOPe to quit doing “minority outreach” as it was a waste of time. Those people are the enemy and pandering to them is not merely a waste of time and effort, but utterly idiotic besides. You are not going to please them, so do the right thing and then enjoy the screams of pain that come as a result.

@171
Preventing the spread of slavery, yes. In the end, that meant the end. As it was, from my studies of time, slavery at, at best, another 20 years to run after the election of 1860, even if the Dims had not split over the issue allowing one of the worst Presidents the US ever had to get into the WH.

@177
I wouldn't be so crass as to say 7.62 NATO is for wusses, but I am partial to the .338 Lapua for those times I wish to reach and touch someone.

I do detest Glock, however. I hate the grip angle. Gimme a good ol' 1911 any day (what I own). If I have to fight, however, and have the opportunity to get to it first, I would rather have a rifle.

Anonymous mature-Craig May 27, 2016 8:01 PM  

I was too hard on the democratic party with an earlier comment, sorry about that

Blogger tz May 27, 2016 8:03 PM  

@156 - and your point is? I'd vote for you in any upcoming election.

I disagree technically on one point.

I would be the least effective president, ever, since I would act entirely within the constraints of the Constitution: so not a single trooper would be sent overseas unless Congress puts a Declaration of War on my desk.

No, you would be the most radically effective president ever.

Note I would be worse. I wouldn't simply send the Supremes to GITMO, I'd bring in a drug dog which would "indicate" and then haul them to the most dungeon like location and strip search them in the most brutal manner consistent with their rulings.

I would exempt Clarence Thomas due to the high-tech lynching.

Power corrupts, and the other branches of Government have been all to willing to defer to the executive. Robespierre was an amateur compared to what I would do consistently - at least until they would actually limit my power.

I would also declare abortion = terrorism and have every Abortionist and supporter (NARAL) sent to GITMO, or perhaps a CIA black site to have their genitals mutilated before something more horrific.

I think they made the whitehouse fence higher. More spikes upon which to place the heads of the agencies.

Blogger tz May 27, 2016 8:09 PM  

@169 - the body impolitic.

I can see providence in Lewis not becoming Catholic, but I have both hope and fear that at least hear in the Redoubt Catholics will save and restore Christendom.

I think the song referred to in Kerry Livegren's "Hero's Canticle" is even now echoing through this part of the USA.

Blogger tz May 27, 2016 8:15 PM  

I don't think the blacks are out of reach. Being from Detroit, the devastation of blue collar jobs hit them disproportionately. They aren't going to learn coding and move to silicon valley. Not all, but I suspect Trump will get a surprising number of black and other minority votes. Work brings dignity, and people prefer that.

Anonymous BGKB May 27, 2016 9:18 PM  

I don't think the blacks are out of reach

I think 15% of blacks are reachable by Trump, as those that can realize that democrats favor Mexicans over them. These would be the ones that noticed liberals did nothing to stop blacks from being ethnically cleansed by Latrinos in Harlem and Compton. With a small possibility of them converting some of their friends.

Blogger EscapeVelocity May 27, 2016 9:25 PM  

Hey VD and commenters,

What are your thoughts about Ross Douthat?

Blogger Josh May 27, 2016 9:29 PM  

What are your thoughts about Ross Douthat?

Eminently punchable face

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2016 9:50 PM  

EscapeVelocity wrote:Hey VD and commenters,

What are your thoughts about Ross Douthat?

"You must despise me Rick."
"If I thought about your at all, I suppose I would."

Anonymous Jack Amok May 27, 2016 11:35 PM  

I don't think the blacks are out of reach

They're not, but it will take a while. If we make it that far without a race war breaking out, they'll realize there aren't enough of them to have their own place, and of all the other races, whites are actually the ones who treat them the best.

But the odds of a race war breaking out first are... substantial.

Blogger Desiderius May 28, 2016 1:27 AM  

"What are your thoughts about Ross Douthat?"

I'm a fan.

Blogger Desiderius May 28, 2016 1:29 AM  

"I don't think the blacks are out of reach"

Most of blacks anti-whiteness is anti-SJW/SWPL/cuck whites, for many of the same reasons those here aren't enamored with those whites.

Whole lot of contempt.

Blogger Desiderius May 28, 2016 1:37 AM  

dh,

"Once the GOP stops caring about trying to look good to the masses who are never going to vote for them anyways, they may grow a clue and start winning."

Never is a long time. They don't vote GOP because they hold them in utter contempt. If they grew a pair, alternatives for contempt would emerge, including some support.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 28, 2016 2:58 AM  

There will always be generation gaps, but the attempt to delineate names and types to various generations is absurd. Why? Because there are really no such clear-cut distinctions in reality, especially with respect to political stances. Those who think the stupid labels provide clarity are simply the ones who make a living writing about it. To everyone else, they are a confusing, useless nuisance.

Anonymous zapbrannigan1 May 28, 2016 11:05 AM  

@dh and RedJack

Uh, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that neither of you live in Texas.

I grew up in Houston and have lived most of my life in Texas and I can state with some authority that the culture here makes a flip to Blue pretty unlikely. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, just that the demographic change is not necessarily dispositive.

Here are two links:
- http://observer.com/2015/08/democrats-unlikely-to-expand-electoral-map-in-2016/
- http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/us/what-makes-texas-texas.html

The first indicates that reports of Texas' inevitable flip to Democrat control are premature. Why? Well, mainly because of the second link that discusses Texas' unique culture. In short, residents of this state are generally very proud of their heritage as TEXANS. This state pride is literally everywhere here, from the Texas flag flying everywhere to the "Texas tough" sandwich bags. For this reason, Texas hispanics tend to vote Republican in much greater proportion than those in other states.

Again, I'm not saying it will never happen (witness California that used to be a Republican lock), but that blithely saying that it's inevitable with the tide of demographic change is whistling past the graveyard.

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