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Tuesday, May 10, 2016

Why #whitegenocide doesn't work

The objectives of the white nationalists behind the #whitegenocide meme are laudable. They seek to defend the right of people of European descent to live, to maintain European cultures, and to preserve European nations. They seek to demonstrate that diversity is intrinsically anti-European. These are all very good, desirable, and for those of us who value Western civilization, true and necessary goals. Western civilization is a European construct.

But the #whitegenocide meme simply does not achieve its purpose, it does not work, because it is a misguided attempt to use dialectic in the place of rhetoric. This is obvious, because those who use that particular meme are always - always - having to rationally explain and justify it. And it can be justified rationally, at least to those with a reasonable grasp of history and sufficiently long time preferences. But that doesn't make it good rhetoric.

As those who have read SJWAL know, the fact that something can be rationally justified is not only an entirely different question than whether something is rhetorically effective, it is a very strong indicator that the meme in question is not rhetorically effective due to the fact that it is clearly not rhetoric at all. One does not persuade the emotions through the use of logic.

When people think of "genocide", of what do they think? What is the one single word that immediately springs to mind when someone says "genocide" to you? It's not "Holocaust", it's not "Jews", it's not "Rwanda", it is "bodies". We are all programmed to think of stacks of bodies, limp and scrawny and robbed of all dignity, when we hear the word "genocide".

Well, where are the white bodies? They don't exist. So, to make the connection between the term "genocide" and the serious problem of the 50-year assault on the various European nations and cultures requires an abstract leap, and what is worse, an abstract leap that ignores the instinctive emotional connection. So, #whitegenocide fails because it is not rhetoric at all, it is pure dialectic that predictably fails to move the emotions.

Contrast, in comparison, this ad for The Man in the High Castle which was quickly pulled because it was inadvertently serving as effective propaganda for the very ideas and peoples it was attempting to denigrate. It was run with the hashtag #whatifwelost.


What if we lost? That snapshot of a supposedly scary future looks like a considerable improvement on 21st century America, in which single white mothers raise irreligious, low-IQ, racially-mixed bastards in tenements without support from the children's fathers, most people are up to their eyeballs in debt with less than $400 in savings, no one under the age of 40 can afford to buy a home, and it is illegal to fly the American flag lest it harm the tender sensibilities of young Aztec invaders.

Remember, the best rhetoric is based on truth. In this case, the effectiveness was rooted in the truths being communicated emotionally regardless of what the creator's intentions were. With the rise of tribal politics, the Alt Right, and Trump shattering the Overton Window, something that looks very much like that, less the swastikas, will be a successful campaign ad within a decade.

As #GamerGate has demonstrated, the best memes are visual rather than verbal and they appeal to the emotions rather than to the intellect. They should be positive rather than negative, radiating confidence and certainty rather than fear and doubt. Some of the best memes I've seen are those produced by female white nationalists, which tend to feature pretty blonde white women in traditional dresses with white children; women respond to them with either palpable longing or instinctive rage.

The exact terminology doesn't matter. Both #GamerGate and #NotYourShield were successful hashtags. The Young Swedish Democrats slogan "Europe Belongs to Us" is remarkably stirring. So, I would suggest that white nationalists use hashtags such as #WhiteAmerica, #WhiteWest, and #Whatifwewon, combined with positive imagery, if they want to gain more traction among those who value Western civilization and find white people attractive. Another option would be #WAGA, or White America Great America, which would be an effective spinoff of the Trumpean #MAGA.

Now, I think self-identified white nationalists have a challenge in front of them, in that only in America does a singular "white nationalism" really mean anything; in Europe the various white nationalisms are entirely distinct, and indeed, this is part of the problem that the many American Indian nations failed to surmount. That is why they would do well to endorse all nationalisms from America to Zion; I am an avowed Red Nationalist myself, and I suspect even the most rabid white nationalist has no problem with sovereign Indian reservations.

It is hard, after all, to argue with "France for the French, Israel for the Jews, America for the Americans." The globalists can only win - assuming that is even possible, which it probably isn't - if the various nationalists fail to ally against them. That is why "nationalism" is such a scary word to them, whereas they love nothing better than to accuse people of "white nationalism" or "white supremacy".

The dank memes are important too, of course, and that is where the "Immigration is Rape Culture" sort of attacks are effective. But they are most effective when they attack undesirable consequences rather than specific groups of people. In general, when it comes to rhetoric, it is best to be direct in defense, indirect in attack. Consider how #GamerGate seldom aimed memes at Gawker or Kotaku or Polygon, but at the lack of ethics in game journalism, which everyone knew applied to Gawker, Kotaku, and Polygon.

White people have the unalienable right to live in white societies if they so choose. That right is called free association, and diversity, multiculturalism, and immigration are all anti-Constitutional, anti-American attacks on that. As an American Indian, I hope enough of them are wise enough to exercise that right before they, too, are forced upon their own Trail of Tears amidst the shattered remnants of Western Civilization.

If you want to learn more about the difference between dialectic and rhetoric, and how to make effective use of the latter, I strongly recommend reading my book SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police. It has an entire chapter devoted to the subject.

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 10, 2016 8:10 AM  

Yours the most reasonable critique of that meme yet. If anyone is interested that meme is sourced from BUGS Robert Whitaker's site and it derives from his 256 word Mantra.

White Genocide is a criminal charge under authority of the 1948 Convention on Genocide and not a hanger on to Cambodian or Rwanda like mass slaughter. If anyone wants to know if the Holocaust was real, the 1948 CoG was written to mirror what the Jews and others endured under the Nazis, and that is before the Shoah was incorporated into a No Liability Corp..

If any BUGser spergs show up to argue with Vox you are proving his point, that should easily be understood.

"Anti-racism" is a code word for anti-white

Blogger 1337kestrel May 10, 2016 8:11 AM  

I usually use #whitegenocide ironically, so you may be on to something.

Anonymous Leonidas May 10, 2016 8:22 AM  

The #WhiteGirlsAreMagic hashtag seems to be far more effective. As Vox has noted, it's very indirect and features lots of attractive women, often in traditional dress.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 10, 2016 8:23 AM  

"White Genocide" you cannot unhear it and while it is haphazardly and often poorly used by traditionally trained conservatives it is meant to be said and then the speaker or writer shuts up and moves on and away. That is Horace's (White Rabbit)theory anyway.

Speaking of Horace he produced a great 5 minute political cartoon called "Anti-racist Hitler", even jews would find it interesting and perhaps useful. Too bad it is not eligible for a Hugo, maybe the sequel will be.

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 8:24 AM  

The #WhiteGirlsAreMagic hashtag seems to be far more effective.

Exactly. That's the one to which I was chiefly referring.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 10, 2016 8:26 AM  

Chuck Tingle might love "Anti-racist Hitler" because it is all about love, true. And love is all we need, even in Israel.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 8:26 AM  

I don't do twitter so I'm out of the loop. I however like, "nationalism builds" "diversity tears down" or something like that.

In the end I don't give a damn. The future is largely written and all indicators point to a violent period of in-grouping, a process of repudiating the rabbitry of these last 50 years.

It has begun & will explode into open warfare the moment the credit bubble has collapsed.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2016 8:34 AM  

I love the swastika dog tag. I wonder if he raises a paw when that fellow in the snappy Hugo Boss says, "gas the jews!"?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 8:34 AM  

People of mostly Northern European ancestry built the modern world and only such people in sufficient numbers and concentration can maintain the modern world.

It seems like a large swath of them must die in order to teach the survivors to respect the uniqueness of their group, and to treat the rest of humanity as antagonists.

Clearly there are too many subspecies of humanity extant. Nature doesn't like multiple subspecies occupying the same ecological niche.

Blogger JohnR219 May 10, 2016 8:40 AM  

Nate: Did you notice the doll in the girl's arm is giving a "Sieg Heil" salute?

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts May 10, 2016 8:42 AM  

It's a funny troll and getting people on the news to repeat it is just as funny. But it isn't as effective as WhiteGirlsAreMagic or MakeAmericaGreatAgain.

It's the fun and implicit nature of them that make them triggering to the non-normal crowd. When was America Great? When it was 90% white.

Blogger S1AL May 10, 2016 8:45 AM  

Yeah, that doesn't look like an anti-Nazi poster to me. If it was supposed to be, someone ought to be fired.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 10, 2016 8:47 AM  

@Vox

Do you think the Nationalist cause could attract Black Nationalists?

It seems unlikely to me. Very unlikely in fact but they do respond to grievance politics. And realistically, who has been the biggest problem for them in last twenty years?

Blogger Timmy3 May 10, 2016 8:49 AM  

#whiteifwelost
It seems like single parent households are desired for the new victim mentality works for today's society. We lost. Society lost. Women lost. Men and children lost.

Blogger YIH May 10, 2016 8:49 AM  

Nate wrote:I love the swastika dog tag. I wonder if he raises a paw when that fellow in the snappy Hugo Boss says, "gas the jews!"?
Funny you should mention that.
That isn't a crime in the US yet.
But there are those trying their damnedest to make it that way.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 8:51 AM  

#surfergirlssohot

I wish there was a hashtag for pointing out that only white daddies can produce white girls or blue-eyed girls/boys. I like the idea of mixing positive fact with sticking the shiv to those of non-European ancestry who take a blonde, blue-eyed wife (because her phenotype is the most European of Europeans) only to produce brown-eyed, dark-haired, dark-skinned poor imitations.

OTOH, if beautiful European-looking models didn't hook up and/or marry Black/Brown celebrities I'd lose my reminder that notoriety alone is often inversely proportional to intelligence.

Anonymous Determinator May 10, 2016 8:52 AM  

That poster is so damn effective, it's starting to make me wish we had lost ..

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 8:52 AM  

Do you think the Nationalist cause could attract Black Nationalists?

Not in Europe. In America, perhaps, if they believe the alternative is Liberia or worse.

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 8:55 AM  

I wish there was a hashtag for pointing out that only white daddies can produce white girls or blue-eyed girls/boys

So stop wishing and start creating. What is the matter with you? Have you learned nothing from GG and SJWAL?

Be the leader of #MAGA or #WAGA or whatever. Stop always waiting for someone else to do what you won't.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 8:55 AM  

I can't wait until genetic science produces an effective means of engineering in the traits the modern world rewards (European appearance, high intelligence, low time preference) and deleting traits known to be problematic (e.g., the misnamed "warrior gene") and we find, through revealed preference, that the entire non-European-ancestry world chooses to eliminate their own ancestry by editing the DNA of their offspring.

Anonymous I'm From Lancaster PA, and I Say Kill Them All!!!!! May 10, 2016 9:01 AM  

White people are nice, until they suddenly aren't. Then the world burns. Stand by....

Anonymous Ain May 10, 2016 9:02 AM  

If it wasn't for the swastika, it wouldn't have occurred to me that the picture is supposed to be negative.

Blogger The Z Blog May 10, 2016 9:02 AM  

This is an excellent critique. I find the whole white identity movement off-putting for the simple reason it puts the focus on the wrong things. The focus must be on the people in charge, the people pushing the multicultural lunacy. The white identity stuff is just a different way to play defense and defense in culture wars is slow surrender.

The way to fight this war is mockery, humor and pointed criticism that exposes the absurd contradictions of this weird secular religion we call Progressivism. If people are laughing with you at the people with the serious face, waging their fingers, you win. Chuck Tingle is doing more damage to the Cult than a hundred Richard Spencers.

Blogger tz May 10, 2016 9:06 AM  

The piles of bodies are being sold as fetal tissue and body parts.

White genocide in the sense of white, as opposed to red, martyrdom.

How many babies are whites having?

The shadows of those who weren't brought into existence.

Hitler would have succeeded, but was impatient. Sterilize every Jewish woman so there is no next generation.

We could similarly clear the reservations and inner cities by making aid contingent on marriage or sterility.

OpenID paworldandtimes May 10, 2016 9:08 AM  

The #WhiteGirlsAreMagic hashtag seems to be far more effective. As Vox has noted, it's very indirect and features lots of attractive women, often in traditional dress.

WNs should keep an eye on the masculine - feminine balance. Too much celebration of the White female makes us look like a peach to be tasted. Go stronger on impressive images of White men.

PA

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 9:08 AM  

The piles of bodies are being sold as fetal tissue and body parts.

A disproportionate percentage of which are black. Stop sperging. It doesn't work. Think of something better.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 10, 2016 9:08 AM  

So stop wishing and start creating. What is the matter with you? Have you learned nothing from GG and SJWAL?

You missed my point; a man should recognize his aptitudes. Mine do not include what you define as rhetoric. I don't grasp the emotional strings that make others dance like puppets.

This is all still at the stage of needing "art directors" and "script consultants," areas in which I have zero utility. "Dialectic" never, ever changes people's minds. I wrote my one "message fiction" novel, and it's painful to see how ham-handed it was in retrospect.

Leading from the front is also an invitation to being sucker-punched. I know, I have a scar to remind me of that each day.

Blogger tz May 10, 2016 9:10 AM  

@19 it also takes white mommies, and they are a bit harder to find.

@20 Then you would have "The Abolition of Man" exactly as Lewis described it. Man becomes the artifact, can he then be the artist?

Blogger Phillip George May 10, 2016 9:12 AM  

The Sun Never Sets on the British Empire,
Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the Waves.
Britains Never Never Will be Slaves.


except it did, and they are.
You can't walk your woman through many a council now in non sharia g-sting.
Britain didn't fail because of military conquest or ethnic overrun.

And bear in mind, apart from the UN Britain is history's most recent panopoly in Empire. Europa is small in comparisons. The UN is a transient banking cartel experiment sinking as we speak.

The problem is, and I'm serious, nothing works without God. Supertramp wrote maybe the most prescient song of them all in "Fool's Overture". Where the only remaining "life boat" is "let's take to the sky".

Every Empire, everything that ever worked has run on an oil "for God's sake".

WhiteRightsforGodssake

but only if white means something bigger and better than skin colour. We're all white in the sense of CharlieHebdo.
Written spoken and send button pressed for Aurelie Chatelian. RIP, daughter of France.



Blogger Matthew Heaving Bosoms May 10, 2016 9:16 AM  

That poster for High Castle isn't the only similarly backfiring attempt by the enemy. The editors of some German magazine apparently thought that this would be a good way to attack AfD.

So terrifying.

Blogger Nate May 10, 2016 9:17 AM  

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/ServiceOnTheHomeFrontPA.jpg/300px-ServiceOnTheHomeFrontPA.jpg


These old posters need to be mined. I don't have the graphical skills to do it... but in reality just sharing them is deadly.

Blogger Matthew Heaving Bosoms May 10, 2016 9:21 AM  

Rework the old commie and nazi propaganda posters. Very effective style.

Blogger The Rev May 10, 2016 9:23 AM  

@18 Ever read Malcom X's autobiography? He had more respect for White Supremacists than White Liberals (well, pre-Hajj anyway).

Blogger Christopher Yost May 10, 2016 9:24 AM  

Quickie before slamming into work...

My immediate thought is any sort of white nationalism tags/slogans will be mostly incestuous.

They'll appeal only to those already thinking within that frame and will automatically repel most everyone else.

Even if just from a knee-jerk reaction.

How about something aimed more towards morals and ethics? The lack and denigration of which has led towards all the crap now faced by American society?

Same direction and will garner a larger sympathetic base.

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 9:27 AM  

My immediate thought is any sort of white nationalism tags/slogans will be mostly incestuous. They'll appeal only to those already thinking within that frame and will automatically repel most everyone else.

You're wrong. You think like a moderate. What do you think "persuasion" means?

Anonymous Wakawaka May 10, 2016 9:29 AM  

Why not just America for the Americans and who cares about the rest?

Israeli nationalists and others seem to be doing fine without advocating global nationalism.

For example , wouldn't support for Mexican nationalism necessarily mean complying with their land claims in USA?

Because I cant take you on your rhetoric when you say Israel for the Jews. OK let's send them tribute money, let's fight their wars...
But as for America for the Americans just brush it off or go on on a long winded discussion about who is American.

Anonymous Gecko May 10, 2016 9:30 AM  

Matthew Heaving Bosoms wrote:That poster for High Castle isn't the only similarly backfiring attempt by the enemy. The editors of some German magazine apparently thought that this would be a good way to attack AfD.

I saw that picture a few days ago and had similar thoughts. When I read Vox's post today, I laughed at the realization that this is becoming a thing.

At some point, people stop allowing others to explain away what they can plainly see with their own two eyes.

Blogger GracieLou May 10, 2016 9:35 AM  

Saw a meme today, a picture of Andy Borowitz and beside him a quote, "Stopping Trump is a short-term solution. The long-term solution--and it will be more difficult--is fixing the educational system that created so many people ignorant enough to vote for Trump."

They have solutions for us you see. Long-term, possibly final solutions.

A leftism so extreme that it sees the current educational system as a hotbed of John Birch Society indoctrination--good night, even John Nash wasn't that delusional.

They're just so damned clueless. It's not ignorance, leftist comrades, it's hate. It's well informed hate.

Blogger Matthew Heaving Bosoms May 10, 2016 9:39 AM  

Gecko wrote:At some point, people stop allowing others to explain away what they can plainly see with their own two eyes.

It is extremely telling that those responsible for the propaganda organs believe these sorts of images are negative and will be seen as negative. You have to hate blonde white people with an overpowering irrational hatred to be able to deceive yourself that much.

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2016 9:40 AM  

If it wasn't for the swastika, it wouldn't have occurred to me that the picture is supposed to be negative.

Don't think too hard about that...

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 10, 2016 9:42 AM  

Study Trump. I haven't seen a man that skilled with rhetoric in ages. Which partly explains why the GOP Establishment hates him so.

Anonymous Eduardo May 10, 2016 9:43 AM  

GracieLou

Yes... Did you really noticed that now?!? The left is just insane, bat-shit cuckoos that wanna live in a sci-fi world. People like you and me stand in the way of that dream, we have to go you know.

So yeah it is hate, total complete disdain for those they can't control, and the justification for that hatred is "why you dont want to embark in my world project, you are evil for removing my freedoms to do as I see fit with the country!!!!!"

Blogger Thomas May 10, 2016 9:44 AM  

I am terrible with Photoshop. So may I suggest to those who can create meme to use #nodecencyLeft when referring to the fact the Left went after the Confederate Battle Flag before supporters were off their knees praying for the victims in Charleston? I'm sure other examples of Leftist intolerance could work with that hashtag.

Blogger Student in Blue May 10, 2016 9:46 AM  

Just like Matt said, it appears that a huge hurdle for white nationalists is due to the self-loathing that is programmed into whites.

The obvious avenue of rhetorical attack would be to concentrate on that self-loathing and how to eliminate or drastically reduce it. Vox, would that, then, be defense or attack? Indirect or direct rhetoric?

Anonymous Eduardo May 10, 2016 9:49 AM  

U___u okay maybe not all leftists are bat-shit crazy... Just the ones that fit craziness are crazy. There I fixed it!

Anyways, the big Kahunas in the left are the source of the problem, most of the people is just mass for protest and votes.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 10, 2016 9:55 AM  

This is obvious, because those who use that particular meme are always - always - having to rationally explain and justify it.

Aristotle provides an excellent 3-part measure of good rhetoric (which necessarily moves men's emotions):

goodwill - that the message is intended in the best interest of the audience
good moral character - that the message appears to be righteous
good sense - that the message is easily grasped and appears to be founded on evidence (despite the absence of evidence).

He puts it another way: to move a man to believe a thing without relying on evidence (as we know, evidence is not relevant to persuasion), you must a) understand the man's emotional state, b) know the people towards whom he typically directs that emotion toward and c) be familiar with the grounds upon which those emotions are typically based.

So, #whitegenocide has (or may have) goodwill - If it is offered in the interest of mutual, peaceful separation for the prevention of something worse, like war.

It has good moral character, as it is intended to raise the awareness of victims and to restore the reputations of the wrongly accused. That is critical to hit the correct emotional buttons.

What it does not have is inherent sense. Any sense it does have must be demonstrated. Demonstration is the domain of dialectic, and serves no emotional purpose.

It's out.

To apply the second, related map from above, ask yourself: if I want to shock (emotion) someone into realizing the threat of "white genocide", I first must know what shocks them. Well, "genocide" is pretty dramatic, that could work. It is a big word designed to shock a certain mindset. However, now I must know the sorts of people by whom they would be shocked in this context - and the sorts of people by whom they would be shocked to hear of genocide would be...people for whom they have sympathy.

The intended audience, regardless of race, does not have sympathy for "whites" as an abstract concept. Because they don't have sympathy, they also don't have grounds to be shocked, especially since there are - as Vox mentions - no bodies stacked like cordwood.

By the way, the three bolded principles above are precisely why Make America Great Again works so brilliantly - it is even more emotionally reliable than "Morning in America" was back in 1980.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2016 9:56 AM  

Vox, thank you for this post.

Blogger Phillip George May 10, 2016 9:59 AM  

How many songs have Big Ben and Winston Churchill and the London Philharmonic, school choristers, electric guitar, sax, BBC proms t=shirts, plus a William Blake poem
https://youtu.be/6aWDxuhD0FI


ND did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

Read more at http://www.poetry-archive.com/b/jerusalem.html#bzZQRgO16r7KM5Dv.99

image: http://www.poetry-archive.com/a_pic.gif

ND did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land

See Friends, England was built as a tool to worship God.

And if you can see, so was America. Without Jesus they aren't.




Anonymous Jack Amok May 10, 2016 10:01 AM  

Yeah, that doesn't look like an anti-Nazi poster to me. If it was supposed to be, someone ought to be fired.

That's what happens when you get used to thinking you've won the argument by simply calling someone "Nazi" or "racist". The person who made that poster thought sticking a swastika on it was all they needed to do.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 10, 2016 10:04 AM  

I wish there was a hashtag for pointing out that only white daddies can produce white girls or blue-eyed girls/boys

#BlueEyedDaddy for pictures of beautiful blue-eyed blondes.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2016 10:05 AM  

France for the French, Germany for the Germans, The South for the Southrons.

Anonymous 360 May 10, 2016 10:11 AM  

I wish there was a hashtag for pointing out that only white daddies can produce white girls or blue-eyed girls/boys

This is simply untrue.

Anonymous Kevin Johnson May 10, 2016 10:12 AM  

Well, it would be impossible to convince white girls to quit desiring Black Men.

You cannot fight nature.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2016 10:12 AM  

Btw, I do appreciate the efforts of the spertstaffel explaining in very great detail why white genocide is in fact a totally effective meme.

Anonymous Jimmy The Freak May 10, 2016 10:13 AM  

Christopher Yost wrote:
...
My immediate thought is any sort of white nationalism tags/slogans will be mostly incestuous.

They'll appeal only to those already thinking within that frame and will automatically repel most everyone else.
...


That is the point. You are trying to trigger cognitive dissonance. Look at the picture in the post. Ignore the swastikas. Looks like a nice desirable neighborhood to live in. Now you see the swastikas and realize "Oh shit. I'm not supposed to like that."

This picture may have worked for the purpose intended if the swastikas were more prominent and dominated the picture, but the family is clearly the dominant feature.

Blogger GracieLou May 10, 2016 10:15 AM  

Oh I saw Eduardo, it's the degree of delusion which surprises me.

My error (similar to their error): believing they think the things they do out of ignorance. That might be true in a few cases due to the cultural blackout of opposing viewpoints, but basically we all believe what we're inclined to believe. Which is why rhetoric is so effective, especially for certain types of people.

Their error: underestimating the enemy. They're not going to "educate" us out of hating their asses. We hate their asses because we're educated.

Blogger Nick S May 10, 2016 10:18 AM  

I've got to go back and finish watching that series. I need to squeeze the maximum value out of my Amazon Prime and Kindle Unlimited before the shitstorm hits.

Blogger Gaiseric May 10, 2016 10:20 AM  

Matthew Heaving Bosoms wrote:That poster for High Castle isn't the only similarly backfiring attempt by the enemy. The editors of some German magazine apparently thought that this would be a good way to attack AfD.

So terrifying.

Even better; did you see the AfD's response to this "attack?" http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/04/20/FAZ-cover-satire.jpg.jpeg

That's a great demonstration of effective rhetoric right there...

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2016 10:24 AM  

I wonder if 'white' is simply too (((poisoned))) to be useful. VD recently retweeted a picture of the wikipedia articles on Black Pride, Asian Pride, Jewish Pride and White Pride, showing how the first three were considered positive and the last was literally hitler. I think the dildo might just be in too deep with a countersunk bolt on this one.

I've had some success with the normie millennials that work for me using the terms "European" and, as a joke, "Safe Americans" but they are all males and relatively smart. The "European" term appears to work well at lending a sophisticated feel to counter the lower-class associations of 'white'.

Blogger Christopher Yost May 10, 2016 10:24 AM  

@Voxday -

Ah, yes. If we can just define "persuade" harder, more willfully, THEN everyone will go for white supremacy. ;)

There's a reason why it is primarily considered repulsive by American society.

And, no, it's not because of Webster's Dictionary.

Damned near all of U.S. modern history is a testament against white supremacy.

Modern white supremacy (as with most race-centric lobbies) are very popularly associated with ignorance and lack of education.

Right or wrong.

From all appearances it looks as if you're going to ignore that and simply "reach out" the same tired way as has been done time and again.

You're going to immediately create large (huge) resistance outside of the SJWs.

Worse, you're going to make even more people find those idiots appealing.

Blogger LES May 10, 2016 10:25 AM  

The Founding Fathers were careful to write a Constitution and create a government that protected the minority from the majority. Everybody's rights were to be protected. They had no idea the concept would be taken to such extremes.

The US is being punked. Diversity really means having a plethora of minorities with grievances against the white, traditional majority. Liberals are always looking to identify new minorities, especially sexual minorities to undermine traditional morality.

"Transgendered" people have not needed special protection before, but now their feelings about having to use the bathroom that matches the sex they were born with is more important than the safety and peace of mind of the majority.

People are tribal. All racial minorities are expected to be ethnocentric.
No one is surprised when a black person prefers to vote for a black candidate.
Them same is true for Hispanics and other racial minorities. However, if a white person does the very same he is accused of being racist and a white supremacist.

The common theme is having minorities attack the white majority civilization; Christendom to be specific. I think the liberals get a thrill from poking the traditional majority in the eye in any way possible as often as possible.

Unfortunately, diversity plus proximity equals war. This has been the case for thousands of years.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore May 10, 2016 10:25 AM  

I'd like to believe the Black nationalists could find a common ground but I don't see it. Many are wrapped up in grievance politics and unconditional racial solidarity. I do detect some recognition of the failure of the Civil Rights movement which was the anti-thesis to self help Black nationalism. But for the most part, the Black community has been made into a colony by white liberals with a Negro leadership establishment (The Civil Rights Industrial Complex) serving as its appointed royal governors.

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2016 10:28 AM  

Well, it would be impossible to convince white girls to quit desiring Black Men.

You cannot fight nature.


Yep.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 10, 2016 10:29 AM  

@54 Btw, I do appreciate the efforts of the spertstaffel explaining in very great detail why white genocide is in fact a totally effective meme.

Some do, I have thought that it was at least something in push back. i.e. Better than nothing.

It does work on those that aren't screaming SJWs to an extent.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2016 10:29 AM  

#14

It seems like single parent households are desired for the new victim mentality works for today's society.

Single women are far more likely to vote Democrat than Republican. And Republicans were at least perceived as being for less government control.

Of course, we know that was just branding, but nonetheless totalitarians generally want to break up families since they are a mediating institution between individuals and the state.

As for why #whitegenocide doesn't work, in addition to what Vox said, I would argue that the piles of bodies are needed because an element of force is needed for genocide.

If you are voluntarily not reproducing that's on you.

Blogger tz May 10, 2016 10:29 AM  

Inside cuckianity, when they uphold sexual morality, it is still marriage that is sterile while the wife gets established in her career (and pays down student loans - what happened to "usury" being a sin?). Then by the time fertility is weak and pregnancy difficult do they start to try for the two kids.
Outside, women will be hit upon by alphas and PUAs, be emotionally damaged, and often physically with a STD - making her sterile and/or permanently infectious.
Women in the throes of puberty don't have long time preferences.
I'm not sure if there is any rhetoric that will work absent a culture of life. Molyneux is worried that western men won't come around to defend things. He suggests women will start being nice to men after a few rape mobs. I think the women will submit to the muslims.

We just had Mother's day. Can you find any hashtag or even think of one that would convince a teen woman that Motherhood is more honorable than STEM, or construction, or accounting?

I'm also talking the K-selected, high investment motherhood. Mixed race is probably nearly all r-selection.

In that wonderfully ironic picture, there's Mrs Cleaver. (Ozzy and) Harriet. Not some female spy or Rosie the riveter.

That is what I don't know how to address. Sluttery must become shameful again, and raising kids - the homeschooling mom must be the ideal and lauded.

The patriarchy and fatherhood are ironically the safe space, but women have rejected their place in it.

Why not with all those alphas around ready to validate their hypergamy? That too is part of the problem. There is equally no shame on men who sleep around. Nice boys are derided. The good father is laughed at for being a studious provider instead of a promiscuous stud. Even in red pill areas, maybe especially there.

Roosh isn't saving civilization. Will his conquests make good mothers? Yet he is the hero. The model of male behavior. How then do we credibly argue for a traditional family and convince women they will be happier there having children than with Roosh having sex with contraception?

Why be a father when being a PUA or Alpha is less risky, less work, and more fun? The corollary is why would women not want the same thing?

Anonymous Nathan May 10, 2016 10:30 AM  

The reason the meme doesn't work is it unconvincingly tries to assign a meaning to a word that reality and history can't sustain.

Gem oxide is understood by everyone to mean something purposefully done to a people. There is no group purposefully attempting to wipe out whites.

It's like trying to charge the guy who lost control of his car in the rain and hit and killed those in another car wit murder. There is no intent there. There is equally no white genicide as there is no intent.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 10, 2016 10:34 AM  

(((There is no (((group))) purposefully attempting to wipe out whites.)))

FTFY

Blogger Christopher Yost May 10, 2016 10:34 AM  

Okay, so not same old tired way (actually reading now).

Anonymous Wakuwaku May 10, 2016 10:35 AM  

In my mind, "America first" means I will support Israel, Tibet, whatever ONLY if it is good for America.

Saying Israel for the Jews etc without any quid pro quo, or worse, supporting a foreign nation that would undermine my own, just feels very empty.

Sorry for double post.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2016 10:36 AM  

Can you find any hashtag or even think of one that would convince a teen woman that Motherhood is more honorable than STEM, or construction, or accounting?

My Facebook news feed on Sunday was completely filled with young moms posting about motherhood.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 10, 2016 10:37 AM  

@66 Roosh isn't saving civilization. Will his conquests make good mothers? Yet he is the hero. The model of male behavior. How then do we credibly argue for a traditional family and convince women they will be happier there having children than with Roosh having sex with contraception?

Why be a father when being a PUA or Alpha is less risky, less work, and more fun? The corollary is why would women not want the same thing?


Except that it isn't true in reality.

God's plans are for health and peace. It is His rulebook.

It is that which leads to what is best.

The real world reveals that truth.

Blogger Josh May 10, 2016 10:38 AM  

It is that which leads to what is best.

What is best in life?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 10, 2016 10:40 AM  

@69

Yes, I have been looking forward to the VD explanation from his previous comments about #whitegenocide.

What he says is true. There are better approaches to this, and he is explaining it to the rest of us idiots.

#whitegenocide is not horrible, it is just not as effective as something else could be.

This post is a service.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 10, 2016 10:41 AM  

@73

Aye, you know, rhetorical questioner that you are.

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 10:48 AM  

There is no group purposefully attempting to wipe out whites.

Yes, there is. Without question. They've even told you as much.

Blogger Matamoros May 10, 2016 10:50 AM  

The SJW leaders are declaring victory in the culture war and claiming Christians should be treated like Axis personnel - who were tortured, mind-raped, and hung.

Harvard Prof Urges Liberals to Treat Evangelical Christians Like Nazis

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/10/harvard-prof-urges-liberals-treat-evangelical-christians-like-nazis/

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 10:50 AM  

From all appearances it looks as if you're going to ignore that and simply "reach out" the same tired way as has been done time and again.

Think what you want. You're far from the first person to claim he knows better than I do. And you'll be far from the last to come to me and admit that you were wrong and I was right. It happens practically every day.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 10:57 AM  

"#whatifwelost"

Then Poland, and perhaps all of Eastern Europe, would have fallen to a totalitarian regime.

". . .traditional dresses . . ."

Traditional does not mean the same thing as out of fashion.

Other than perhaps actually being dresses, there is nothing traditional about them. They are of a distinct, progressive, fashion of rather short duration.

The 50s, rather than being the last bastion of tradition, were perhaps the most disruptive and anomalous in all of human history.

But that's dialectic. As a rhetorical meme it is effective.

Blogger Quadko May 10, 2016 10:58 AM  

Wow, that ad getting published means someone was racist enough to see a healthy white family and feel disgust.

Multiculturalism is just colonialism in disguise.

Blogger Matamoros May 10, 2016 11:00 AM  

Vox, what did you think of the effectiveness of "Nuclear Memes" by A. L. Baxtery?

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 11:03 AM  

"There is no group purposefully attempting to wipe out whites."

Oh for goodness' sake, they even have a motto:

"Everybody keep fucking until we're all the same color."

And I assure you that the color they mean is not white.

Blogger GracieLou May 10, 2016 11:04 AM  

I've made Photoshop memes, but never know what to do with them. Facebook isn't the place for the juicy ones--too dangerous. It would be great to have a place to dump them for dispersal by the alt-right masses.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2016 11:04 AM  

Yes, there is. Without question. They've even told you as much.

But they aren't using force.

Most of the babies killed by Planned Parenthood are black. I think I read that 40 million black babies have been murdered by PP.

Is that genocide? Nobody is forcing blacks to go to PP.

Nobody, so far as I know, is forcing whites to abort their babies, delay motherhood, engage in dyscivic behavior, and otherwise reduce the birthrate.

True, there is plenty of propaganda promoting this behavior and the education system is being used to indoctrinate people into it.

But in the end, who is responsible?

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 10, 2016 11:08 AM  

The piles of bodies are there but those responsible for the crime have been clever enough to have their orc proxies carry it out in slow motion (robberies gone wrong, home invasions gone wrong, etc.) and cover the murders up with Lügenpresse. Besides, there have been several other genocides carried out - complete with piles of emaciated corpses (Armenia, Ukraine, etc.) - which are not labeled as such simply because the mouthpiece is controlled by the killers (Ukraine) and any mention of additional crimes of this nature (Armenia, etc.) lessens the importance of the greatest evil in the history of the universe. Control of the narrative is important, and the enemy still controls it too much for #whitegenocide to gain much traction. I'm rather proving Vox's point here by pointing all this out, too.

Blogger jdwalker May 10, 2016 11:08 AM  

VD: "I am an avowed Red Nationalist myself, and I suspect even the most rabid white nationalist has no problem with sovereign Indian reservations."

What would be needed to have sovereign Indian reservations? Would that require a reversal of the relations of the Indian nations and the US? I wouldn't call them sovereign now, and my assumption is that most Indians would prefer to keep the quasi-sovereignty they have now than really push for true sovereignty. I'm curious what would happen if there was a 'BREXIT' type vote among the various Indian nations to either fully integrate into the US and give up all remaining vestiges of sovereignty or fully separate from the US, what would the Indian nations choose?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 10, 2016 11:11 AM  

@84
True, there is plenty of propaganda promoting this behavior and the education system is being used to indoctrinate people into it.

But in the end, who is responsible?


The (((eskimos))),their shabbos/shabbat goy (30 shekels), and their shock troops (BLM, La Raza).

All fed on a diet of cultural marxism (marxsim 2.0) and the culture of critique.






Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 11:11 AM  

@84: "But they aren't using force."

I think that you are conflating force with violence.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 10, 2016 11:11 AM  

But do not call (((them))) by name. #notthejews

Anonymous Determinator May 10, 2016 11:13 AM  

@39 "It is extremely telling that those responsible for the propaganda organs believe these sorts of images are negative and will be seen as negative."

And when we post pictures of Dworkin, or TNH, or trigglypuff or this bitch, we have to realize that they don't see anything wrong with it. They are so bent that they have beauty is loathsome, and monstrosities are to be desired.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 10, 2016 11:14 AM  

And to head off the pedantic, it is not all jews, all the blacks, all the mestizos, all leftist whites, etc.

There is a globalist vs. nationalist edge to this knife.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2016 11:18 AM  

I think that you are conflating force with violence.

OK, I will go along with that. I will amend my statement to "they aren't using violence."

And my original statement still stands.

#whitegenocide does not work as rhetoric because people associate genocide with violence.

Nobody is being forced into boxcars. There are no concentration camps. People aren't going house to house looking for whites to shoot and kill.

People are going about their lives, choosing to have fewer children for whatever reason.

All most no one is going to perceive that as genocide.

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2016 11:24 AM  

Modern white supremacy (as with most race-centric lobbies) are very popularly associated with ignorance and lack of education.

Right or wrong.


I don't think that that's true: it's only white ethnocentrism that is viewed as ignorant and low-class. Black and, in particular, Jewish enthnocentrism is actively celebrated and has no such associations with lower class folks.

White is the special case, and I'm not sure it can be rescued. There could be a preference cascade, though, where it suddenly becomes OK. This happened in my own brain at about age 35, and we have historical evidence that these sorts of sea changes can happen, particularly when a group becomes threatened and/or during financial crises.

Blogger VD May 10, 2016 11:25 AM  

It would be great to have a place to dump them for dispersal by the alt-right masses.

Twitter.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 10, 2016 11:29 AM  

@#84.
This is a very good point which I've attempted to make myself several times. At the end of the day, there is nobody holding a loaded M4 to anyone's head frog-walking them to the abortion mill. In fact, the majority are actually paying to do it. Same goes for anything on Lügenpresse, all of the degenerate, lying culture - whether it's the latest niggaball game on the jujubox or the latest lying crap at the movie house (all owned by the same folks). No DHS agents are forcing whites to send their offspring to public edumcayshun indoctrination camps, or muscling them down to the nearest banksta-box to borrow fake money to send them to Marxist finishing schuls. Much could be stopped by simply refusing to go along.

Anonymous quamuri May 10, 2016 11:30 AM  

GracieLou - either dump them on twitter with the hashtag #AltRight or make a thread on /pol/ once in a while. The right people will get them and then they'll begin to spread.

Blogger Escoffier May 10, 2016 11:31 AM  

Nathan you're simply wrong. Please derectumize your cranium and take another look. You can do better.

Blogger praetorian May 10, 2016 11:31 AM  

Harvard Prof Urges Liberals to Treat Evangelical Christians Like Nazis

Yep, it echoes.

C'mon, fam. It'd be nice if it wasn't one of us Every. Single. Time.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 11:31 AM  

"People aren't going house to house looking for whites to shoot and kill."

I think, perhaps, that you don't know "the right sort," of people.

Just because it hasn't hit your neighborhood yet doesn't mean it's not happening. They go after the softest targets first.

Blogger Stephen May 10, 2016 11:31 AM  

#WhiteChildrenAreGreat
#DefendYourNation
#ANationIsItsPeople
#MakeAmericaWhiteAgain

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 11:34 AM  

"No DHS agents are forcing whites to send their offspring to public edumcayshun indoctrination camp . . ."

Then why, in order to not go along, did I have to become a refugee in Mexico in order not to be taken into state custody?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2016 11:39 AM  

@99

Now you are just being pedantic.

We are discussing genocide, not freelance Marxism.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown May 10, 2016 11:41 AM  

Vox, this was a really great explanation.

@46 The Aristotle test is very useful.

All,
We need to come up with a clever slogan or hashtag first, the imagery and memes will follow. I'm spitballin' here;

Option 1. Positive PR. Something linking White technological development, invention, science, medicine, exploration, etc., that has benefited humanity as a whole to our genotype. Maybe to counter the "White Privilege" meme we go with #WhiteBlessings or #ThankWhiteMen

Example: Picture of antibiotic pills "Antibiotics Saved X# of lives in 2015." #WhiteBlessings

Or "Ever fight off illness with antibiotics?" #ThankWhiteMen

Option 2. Getting White normies on board w/ nationalism. I'm not a cunning linguist. Help me out here.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2016 11:41 AM  

Then why, in order to not go along, did I have to become a refugee in Mexico in order not to be taken into state custody?

I am very interested in your story. I am aware that California is attempting to make home schooling illegal. Is that happening elsewhere? Why Mexico as opposed to some other U.S. state?

Anonymous karsten May 10, 2016 11:42 AM  

It is hard, after all, to argue with "France for the French, Israel for the Jews, America for the Americans."

Only if you add "Palestine for the Palestinians."

I say this unironically and seriously. Unless one acknowledges the right of Palestinians to their land, then one can't make the case that the North American Indians have a right to any land of their own.

Blogger Stilicho May 10, 2016 11:43 AM  

Some examples to begin with:

#whitelivesmatter
#Americangreatness
#civilizationmatters
#whosyourdaddy?
#Americandream
#onceandfuturedream
#Americanposterity
#blessingsofliberty
#ourselvesandourposterity

Etc. Can be used with or without images though likely to be more effective with them. A picture is worth a thousand tweets. For rhetorical purposes focus on patriotic themes (especially combined with evocative imagery). The left is still sensitive to mockery and charges of anti-American behavior (because both are effective for ostracizing them and such outgrouping is anathema to rabbits).

You get the idea...

Blogger Christopher Yost May 10, 2016 11:48 AM  

@Jimmy The Freak -

I'm not sure if I'm parsing that correctly. The cognitive dissonance to force people to separate the two messages?

I may be thinking too hard or too many steps ahead on this.

Blogger Aziz P. May 10, 2016 11:53 AM  

21st century America, in which single white mothers raise irreligious, low-IQ, racially-mixed bastards in tenements without support from the children's fathers, most people are up to their eyeballs in debt with less than $400 in savings, no one under the age of 40 can afford to buy a home, and it is illegal to fly the American flag lest it harm the tender sensibilities of young Aztec invaders

...and has 2.5 legs and owns a hyena!

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 11:56 AM  

@102: "Now you are just being pedantic."

If you think so, try living someplace where non-whites consider whites as soft targets.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 12:04 PM  

" . . .the right of Palestinians to their land . . ."

That would be Jews. Most of the people you likely consider "Palestinians" were not born there, not were any of their ancestors.

Yasser Arafat, long time leader and poster child for "Palestinian" liberation, was an Egyptian. A large number of them moved to Palestine after destroying Lebanon.

They are Arabs. Palestine is a territory, not a nation. There are no "Palestinian People(tm) as a nation or ethnicity.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2016 12:07 PM  

If you think so, try living someplace where non-whites consider whites as soft targets.

Why would I want to do that?

Blogger Stilicho May 10, 2016 12:10 PM  

Palestinians have a land, it's known as Jordan. They lost part of it to Israel and the refugees from that event acted so obnoxiously towards their countrymen that the King kicked them out of Jordan.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 12:11 PM  

@111. "Why would I want to do that?"

Q.E.D.

Blogger Cloudswrest May 10, 2016 12:18 PM  

How about "The Dispossessed Americans". This riffs on Wilmot Robertson's "The Dispossessed Majority", but is more personal and less dialectic, and of course, describes exactly what is happening with mass immigration, H-1B, outsourcing, and loss of freedom of association.

Blogger LES May 10, 2016 12:20 PM  

@110, 112
Read "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe. You are wrong.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2016 12:27 PM  

@kfg

I really am interested in your story. I have relatives who live in a nice suburb of Memphis who are looking to get even further from it than they already are.

Things are really going to get interesting when HUD starts forcing the suburbs/rural areas to build housing for people from inner cities. Oh, and they are already making it illegal to deny someone housing just because they have a felony or two on their record.

Blogger Rez Zircon May 10, 2016 12:46 PM  

Look a bit further south:

http://www.rense.com/general29/silence.htm
http://southafricatoday.net/south-africa-news/south-africa-44-white-people-have-been-murderd-from-january-2014-to-march-2014/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/9716539/South-African-farmers-fearing-for-their-lives.html
and less well documented,
http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 12:50 PM  

@116: I have not been flushed down the memory hole quite yet.

@115: "Things are really going to get interesting when HUD starts forcing the suburbs/rural areas to build housing for people from inner cities."

Operative word: "forcing"

The mass rape of white women in a public square by Arabs and Sub-Saharan Africans is violence.

And a deliberate act of racial/ethnic/religious warfare, which was announced as such.

Anonymous Chad May 10, 2016 12:52 PM  

IMO the problem stems from a general idea that whites ought to be ashamed and deserve punishment to the point of oblivion.

So to me the starting point is convincing people (white's included) that a world without white people would be a bad thing. White Pride invokes Klan imagery and violence against non-whites. Making slight modifications to black hashtags also has negative connotations.

#NotWithoutWhite

I think something with this connotation is a starting point. Whites have to remember that we have made (and continue to make) monumental contributions to any society worth belonging to. Let people know that whites have made most of the comforts we enjoy today a reality.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 12:55 PM  

@117:

Right. When we are talking about white genocide, we are not talking about an American problem, except in the sense that it includes America.

But you can look North as well, as Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands are now considered soft targets.

Anonymous EH May 10, 2016 12:58 PM  

make America white again
white if we won
free association
better deserves it
ours is America
one culture
white made
US patrimony
pink nation
not equal
better than
invaders out
one kind
American future
for our children
band together
our right place
no more leeches
dump the trash
USA clean out
our race winner
white right
our right
real USA
take back our USA
our nation unchained
real America
our sure right
invader exit
not your place

Anonymous BGKB May 10, 2016 1:08 PM  

Just like with Duck Dynasty (((juice))) set out to paint the worst picture they could of their enemies but just couldn't create a worse alternative to reality. A&E hated that their make fun or rednecks show was so popular, & now they couldn't even come up with a Knot Sea victory story that is worse than MS-13 gangbangers walking down city streets with full auto machine guns + Latrina demanding on video someone's got to pay for her 15 illigitmate crack babies.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/somebody-need-to-pay-for-my-15-kids/

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 1:16 PM  

It seems that in @118 I got the "@s" reversed. My apologies for any sense of misattribution that might cause.

Blogger eyeslevel May 10, 2016 1:16 PM  

http://www.hdvideopro.com/images/blog/2016/01/20/4.jpg

Blogger tublecane May 10, 2016 1:28 PM  

@67-You're right, except for the fact that the word has already been warped beyond all recognition by a million groups jockeying for victim position. Then again, the original term, as defined by Raphael Lemkin, is pretty darn slippery and not what you'd necessarily imagine based on the root words.

Vox is correct, in that it should require bodies. The UN may not define it that way, but that's what the "cide" indicates. It ought to be on purpose, as well. If a significant portion of a certain race were to die of Ebola next year, for instance, that wouldn't be genocide. Nor is white people failing to reproduce themselves.

Blogger tublecane May 10, 2016 1:34 PM  

@110-Most Jews' ancestry does not trace back to ancient Israel.

Blogger Stilicho May 10, 2016 1:38 PM  

Les, read a news report. Jordanians and Palestinians both from "Trans Jordan" and are the same people, speak the same dialect, and are related by blood and marriage. The expulsion of the displaced from Jordan is well documented. The five houses fared a little better because many got out of ME because they were Christian. Gazans are Egyptians.

Blogger Escoffier May 10, 2016 1:39 PM  

They're going after the children you flaming retard. Pretty sure that makes them bad guys.

Anonymous BGKB May 10, 2016 1:54 PM  

If any BUGser spergs show up to argue with Vox you are proving his point, that should easily be understood.

I copied the White Privilege is "Evolution That's Why Asians Have It Also" I saw someone post here, to wear when I go out of the area and it really is important to keep things simple enough to understand. I know someone else talked about a No Rings For Feminists shirt but I never got an answer about if it had a phone or a diamond ring on it for which would be more effective.

Every time I wore the White privilege is evolution shirt tons of people loved it but no black as smart enough to read it in passing. I wore it to die verse amusement parks last summer.

Go stronger on impressive images of White men. PA

Henery Rollins and Kevin Sorbo couldn't find work in Hollywood because they appear as strong white goyim. TV would have you think all white business owners are stupider than their black janitors.

What about "Have you ever seen a black as smart or a white man as stupid as seen on TV?"

The editors of some German magazine apparently thought that this would be a good way to attack AfD. So terrifying.

Just think what life would be like without dieversecity. Kids knowing their dads names, less welfare, merit based society.

Well, it would be impossible to convince white girls to quit desiring Black Men. You cannot fight nature.

Its only with constant brainwashing 1-12grad + TV that we have this level. Ask any relatives kid you know if they ever saw a picture of a white boy and girl together in any of their school materials, they see pics of niglets with white girls every day, but pointing it out to them will make them notice they are being tricked.

"Transgendered" people have not needed special protection before, but now their feelings about having to use the bathroom

GLBT are drunk on power due to recent judge priest kings ruling in their favor over voters, like women many think they can pass a law and nag people to make others like them.

The piles of bodies are there but those responsible fo

http://whitegirlbleedalot.com/ hundreds of videos. All the Lügenpresse showed a fake toddler on the beach to support moslem invaders who had pink fingers, legs pointing away from the water, and hair that resisted waves/gravity, but covered Cecil the Lion when a Hispanic in San Fran was caught on video tossing the body of 8yo white Maddy Middleton into a dumpster after he raped her to death.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 1:57 PM  

@126: "Most Jews' ancestry does not trace back to ancient Israel."

Being aware of that just might be why I said nothing about Israel.

But as a point of order I'll note that ancient Israel was "lost." Modern Israel is Judea, hence "Jews."

Naming the modern Jewish state Israel was a deliberate political ploy.

Blogger Noah B May 10, 2016 2:00 PM  

"Well, where are the white bodies?"

Quite a few of them in South Africa. I find the #whitegenocide tag pretty rhetorically effective when it's coupled with graphic images of white farmers maimed and killed by roving black gangs, while the black government tolerates it. To describe the current state of affairs in the US, not so much.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 2:00 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:#surfergirlssohot

I wish there was a hashtag for pointing out that only white daddies can produce white girls or blue-eyed girls/boys. I like the idea of mixing positive fact with sticking the shiv to those of non-European ancestry who take a blonde, blue-eyed wife (because her phenotype is the most European of Europeans) only to produce brown-eyed, dark-haired, dark-skinned poor imitations.


I'm not on Twatter, but try #PictureHisDaughters with pictures of BM/WF couples. I mean the upper-class version where she's a hottie not a fattie.

Wait. That would actually work even better mixed with pictures of WM/WF and WM/BF couples. Or maybe #PictureHerSons for the WM/BF couples; she can't make more of the white men that she likes.

I have friends that might be hurt, but it's necessary to wake people up before it's too late. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

Anonymous BGKB May 10, 2016 2:06 PM  

People are going about their lives, choosing to have fewer children for whatever reason.

Because they are not comfortable squatting out 38 crackbabies and living in a one room apartment, while they spend almost 1/2 the year working to pay taxes for those that are.

#WhiteChildrenAreGreat Lena Dunham and Phil Sandaper would retweet that.

Things are really going to get interesting when HUD starts forcing the suburbs/rural areas to build housing for people from inner cities."

To over come brainwashing I had to meet enough non Asian minorities in real life to know reality is not as seen on TV. I bet people in MN thought blacks were equal until the saw Dearborn.

Blogger the bandit May 10, 2016 2:09 PM  

@59 If your contention is true, maybe "Western"? Identifiable both with Western Civilization and the heroic/masculine imagery of Western movie heroes.

Blogger Ilíon May 10, 2016 2:11 PM  

"I am terrible with Photoshop. So may I suggest to those who can create meme to use #nodecencyLeft ..."

And, as a follow-up, #NoIndecencyIsTooLeft

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 2:13 PM  

@59: "I've had some success with the normie millennials that work for me using the terms "European" . . ."

One of the SJW talking points is that nobody uses the term "European-American."

SJWs always lie.

I have been using it with some frequency for decades, as do most ethnologists, as it is, in fact, the only term to accurately convey the intended meaning.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 2:14 PM  

paworldandtimes wrote:The #WhiteGirlsAreMagic hashtag seems to be far more effective. As Vox has noted, it's very indirect and features lots of attractive women, often in traditional dress.

WNs should keep an eye on the masculine - feminine balance. Too much celebration of the White female makes us look like a peach to be tasted. Go stronger on impressive images of White men.

PA


Try #WhiteMenAreScience. No, it doesn't make sense; that's why it will work. (Just alternate it with #WhiteGirlsAreMagic.) If you don't do rhetoric, just trust me give it a shot.

OpenID aew51183 May 10, 2016 2:15 PM  

The slogans i've seen used with the whitegenocide hashtag are much more potent if used without it:

"Anti-racist is code-word for anti-white"
" 'Diversity' means chasing down the last white person"

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 2:15 PM  

kfg wrote:@59: "I've had some success with the normie millennials that work for me using the terms "European" . . ."

One of the SJW talking points is that nobody uses the term "European-American."

SJWs always lie.

I have been using it with some frequency for decades, as do most ethnologists, as it is, in fact, the only term to accurately convey the intended meaning.


I prefer Euro-American, but two good terms for today are Already-American and Native European.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 2:17 PM  

"I prefer Euro-American . . ."

Same diff.

Blogger Markku May 10, 2016 2:18 PM  

Unhyphenated-American

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 2:23 PM  

"Unhyphenated-American"

I am a Yankee.

Blogger White Rabbit May 10, 2016 2:23 PM  

If "White Genocide" doesn't work then why are you talking about it?

Anonymous BGKB May 10, 2016 2:27 PM  

If "White Genocide" doesn't work then why are you talking about it?

RHINO republican in name only had to be explained to people but those just hearing it might have thought it was a positive reference. Cuckservative everyone who has read Shakespeare or Chaucer knows its an insult.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 2:33 PM  

Christopher Yost wrote:Quickie before slamming into work...

My immediate thought is any sort of white nationalism tags/slogans will be mostly incestuous.

They'll appeal only to those already thinking within that frame and will automatically repel most everyone else.

Even if just from a knee-jerk reaction.

How about something aimed more towards morals and ethics? The lack and denigration of which has led towards all the crap now faced by American society?

Same direction and will garner a larger sympathetic base.


You managed to hit the point while missing it. The whole point here is to brainstorm memes that won't just preach to the choir. And, in fact, my suggestions use universal morality such as purity, authority and group loyalty.

(Fairness and harm don't really come into it, since those are the only two that leftists use, so anti-leftism must emphasize the other three.)

OpenID joeholocaust May 10, 2016 2:34 PM  

Love this pic, swastikas included, but I recognize, reluctantly, that such symbology is still repellent to many white Americans who are not ready to confront the fact that their grandfathers fought in WWII for a cause that was a lie that has been reinforced with decades of corporate media conditioning.
As another commenter noted, regaining control of the narrative must occur first and I agree with the alternative, positive, approaches as a guideline for effective materials.

Blogger Ilíon May 10, 2016 2:36 PM  

Conan the Fool: "And to head off the pedantic, it is not all jews, all the blacks, all the mestizos, all leftist whites, etc.

There is a globalist vs. nationalist edge to this knife.
"

Indeed. Thus, the only rational explanation for your continuous blaming of (((da jooos))) is that you are intellectually dishonest; in a word, you are a fool. Not only are you a liar, you are worse than a liar; for a liar lies episodically, but a fool lies systemically; a liar lies about some truth or other, but a fool lies about the nature of truth.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 2:37 PM  

Markku wrote:Unhyphenated-American

My racial identification has shifted to just "American" (which is actually a thing), but the SJWs here equate being "able" to consider yourself an Unhyphenated-American to be a white privilege. They're wrong, but since that memetic poison is out there, that's why I came up with Already-American to define the people that Trump's American nationalism is of, by and for.

Blogger Ingot9455 May 10, 2016 2:37 PM  

@115 Ilan Pappe's book concentrates specifically on the 1948 Palestine War and the events wherein the attacking Arab armies urged the Arab villagers to depart while they would charge in, so that they could win and then said villagers would get the Jews' land. But they lost, and said Arab villagers lost their land and weren't allowed back across the line of scrimmage.

Amidst this were certain reprisal attacks by the Jews on said Arabs helping urge them out the door, which are Pappe's focus. By the modern numbers of Arab terrorist attacks on Jews, these attacks were a dot on a speck, but when Arabs (like all leftists) get attacked back, oh my the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The stuff that stilcho and kfg are discussing is a lot more general than Pappe's book.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 2:45 PM  

" . . . Arab armies urged the Arab villagers . . ."

Not "Palestinian" armies or villages. I remember a time when Arabs were wandering around asking, "How the fuck did I become a "Palestinian" all of a sudden?"

Anonymous Great Again May 10, 2016 2:47 PM  

@106

How about:
#CivilizationRequiresWhites

too long?

Blogger Noah B May 10, 2016 2:51 PM  

"Unhyphenated-American"

Nate's a closeted Texan.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 10, 2016 2:55 PM  

Damn fine article. I've been experimenting with memes myself but I wasn't able to articulate how to use them or quite make ones I like.

The reason White Genocide isn't working is outside Africa Whites are suiciding, not be genocided. Its not Brown Peoples fault we aren't having kids, its partially our leaders but mostly and priorities. We choose to not choose to not have kids, they don't choose it for us.

I don't use twitter or any social media really other than forums and occasionally Reddit. I've been able to get our ideas out there which is something but its mediocre,

I was thinking "Righter/Whiter/Better." or #Righter/Whiter/Better if you like but I don't tweet and its feels a little Nat-Soc for my tastes.

"Whiter is Better" is punchy though its a bit WN

Another might be "Why not White countries for White people?" as a variation on the "Asian for Asians etc." meme

Also the way a meme is structured counts a lot

When it "Righter and Whiter its Better" is true but its hard to twitter meme and tastes off

Also re: Reddit , the only ones I promote are the R/European and R/northamerican seb-reddits though. They are "free speech" areas with people like and I am told there are more subscribers to R/European that R/Europe as well. Its not a bad place to check out.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 3:03 PM  

"Its not Brown Peoples fault we aren't having kids . . ."

No, it isn't, but I have a somewhat different take on that than many. It does not concern me.

What concerns me is the failure to defend our kids and their birthrights.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 3:09 PM  

The last time I watched Legends of Tomorrow, they were back in time somewhere in the 1950s. Whining ensued about how terrible it was to be there blah blah blah.

And I was thinking, this is maybe 5 or 6 years after winning WWII. So they are saying they hate the people who won WWII.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2016 3:12 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:The last time I watched Legends of Tomorrow, they were back in time somewhere in the 1950s. Whining ensued about how terrible it was to be there blah blah blah.
So much of Leftism, especially feminism, is Boomers bitching and whining about our parents.

Blogger SirHamster May 10, 2016 3:23 PM  

If you want to learn more about the difference between dialectic and rhetoric, and how to make effective use of the latter, I strongly recommend reading my book SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police. It has an entire chapter devoted to the subject.

Funny ... I was just reading Cernovich's blogpost about how Scott Adams did this to build his brand as a political analyst, and then using the exact same method to promote Gorilla Mindset.

It's certainly a good segue after you've offered an interesting article or opinion. Offer the readers a way to learn more, and to support you.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 3:32 PM  

I got a bumper sticker one time says:
"Trust the Federal Government? Ask any Indian."

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 3:33 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:Just like Matt said, it appears that a huge hurdle for white nationalists is due to the self-loathing that is programmed into whites.

The obvious avenue of rhetorical attack would be to concentrate on that self-loathing and how to eliminate or drastically reduce it.


Mock it. That's what "cuck" is for. Normally it's metaphorical, but sometimes it's literal.

So one way to help is to play a #SpotTheCuck game on Twatter with pictures of white couples and their unattached male orc friends. Or retweet every report of whites helping immivaders with #cuckoo and a photo of a cuckoo bird laying its egg in another bird's nest.

Every time you reinforce it, especially if you make it concrete and literal, future uses of the metaphor get more devastating. We know that's a weak spot because it makes them scream, so focus.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 3:49 PM  

" . . . Legends of Tomorrow . . ."

I had to look that up.

" . . .they were back in time somewhere in the 1950s."

58-59

" . . .this is maybe 5 or 6 years after winning WWII."

So 14ish years.

As someone who was alive at the time I'd want to watch it before commenting, but the episode seems to have "expired."

Blogger Student in Blue May 10, 2016 4:12 PM  

@SciVo

Currently people are very direct with the mockery, which lead to my question of whether the situation is defensive or offensive in nature. Indirectly mocking, of which linking and sharing pictures making fun of Trigglypuff and her/his/xer's ilk comprise of, may certainly be far more useful than the people who use "cuck" almost to the point of meme exhaustion.

This then switches the frame of cultural war from "trigger cucks by calling them cucks" (which is still great fun) to passing around memetic pictures of degenerates to people you know who are on the fence.

Blogger ChaseDown Whites May 10, 2016 4:16 PM  

"#WhiteGenocide" is working very well, as are these other BUGS phrases:

"#Diversity" means chasing down the last #White person

#Diversity is a code word for #WhiteGenocide

#White self-hatred is SICK!!!

Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, #White countries for EVERYBODY

Anti-racist is a code word for #AntiWhite

When repetition has made "White Genocide" and "Anti-White" the lens through which Whites view the world, instead of their viewing the world through the lens of the R-word, they will see a few things they are now missing ;)

Blogger ChaseDown Whites May 10, 2016 4:20 PM  

"That poster is so damn effective, it's starting to make me wish we had lost .."

It's effective on YOU. Are people like yourself your target audience???

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 4:26 PM  

@83 GracieLou

I've made Photoshop memes, but never know what to do with them. Facebook isn't the place for the juicy ones--too dangerous. It would be great to have a place to dump them for dispersal by the alt-right masses.
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I've been making some simple text added to a photo memes here and there using this site:

https://imgflip.com/

But this doesn't distribute them out. I haven't figured a good way to do that either. I'm not on twitter, avoid fb etc. I put them on BB sometimes.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 4:31 PM  

@92 Ron Winkleheimer

Nobody is being forced into boxcars. There are no concentration camps. People aren't going house to house looking for whites to shoot and kill.
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This is the ultimate goal of SJWs

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 4:47 PM  

I have the glimmerings of a meme or hashtag - #NonWhiteInventions
And then put things like looting, rioting, etc in there as memes.

Anybody know how to set up twitter if you don't have an extra phone ?

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 4:51 PM  

kfg wrote:"I prefer Euro-American . . ."

Same diff.


An interesting alternative that I use sometimes is Anglo-American: "In short, we're white, English-speaking, and have become native to North America." So that would exclude, for example, a second-generation Greek-American who may speak unaccented English, but still identifies with his grandmotherland.

I literally don't belong anywhere else. Everywhere else in the world, I would be an alien. There is no place for an English-speaking German/Finnish/Cherokee/etc. except here.

When I realized that, I changed my racial identity to "American". Due to our history, we are going to have to construct a different kind of national identity than what the native Europeans have. Thankfully, our Jacksonian past lights the way to a coherent future.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 10, 2016 4:55 PM  

This is the ultimate goal of SJWs

Except for themselves of course. But it isn't happening now.

And in fact, most SJWs don't expect or want that.

Doesn't mean it couldn't happen. But as rhetoric, stating that will just get you looked at as "unserious" by most people.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 5:22 PM  

@167:

I only use Anglo to denote English, or in some contexts a wider British, not merely an Anglophone.

"I changed my racial identity to "American"."

I grew up thinking of myself as simply American and had a few occasions when I needed to insist upon it, until I realized that I was, first, formost, always, a Yankee. Detroit may be part of the Empire, but it isn't part of my country.

In fact, my personal country is an area about 100 miles in radius and my ancestral country extends to about 200 miles.

Everyplace else I am, in some way, foreign.

And the feeling is mutual. I could move to California, live there for the next 50 years, die and be buried there, but no one from California with roots deeper than a generation would ever accept me as a Californian.

And that's . . .OK. I can deal with not identifying as a biscuit.

Anonymous BluePony May 10, 2016 5:39 PM  

Anyone seen this ad for the show: NPR Link. Wear protection.

I don't have the brain wiring to get offended, but even I recognize the seat motif was a bit over the line. I always wonder how many people this sort of nonsense goes through for approval.

It's an OK show, but by the end of the first season you hate the two lead characters so much for their idiocy you are rooting for the Nazis and Japanese. My hope is that season two kills them off in the first 10 minutes and picks up the story with experienced, smart people working in the resistance. Anything bu these dozy, addle brained amateurs who get other beaten and gassed in their bumbling around.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 6:13 PM  

@132 SciVo

I thought about that one - was thinking #CantComeBack and then put those pics of wf/bm.

Blogger Matamoros May 10, 2016 6:15 PM  

@139. @167

I prefer REAL American

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 10, 2016 6:17 PM  

``... even I recognize the seat motif was a bit over the line. ''

Really? I despise Hitler and his movement and his socialist followers, but I thought the seat motif was kind of cool, with a patriotic undertone. The swastikas were sufficiently subdued not to register, I guess. The stylized eagle looks fine. Maybe the same theme, with the swastikas bent the other way, or omitted entirely, wpuld be good.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 10, 2016 6:18 PM  

@147 Ilíon
Conan the Fool: "And to head off the pedantic, it is not all jews, all the blacks, all the mestizos, all leftist whites, etc.

There is a globalist vs. nationalist edge to this knife."

Indeed. Thus, the only rational explanation for your continuous blaming of (((da jooos))) is that you are intellectually dishonest; in a word, you are a fool. Not only are you a liar, you are worse than a liar; for a liar lies episodically, but a fool lies systemically; a liar lies about some truth or other, but a fool lies about the nature of truth.
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***TRIGGERED!!***

Blogger ZhukovG May 10, 2016 6:26 PM  

That picture! What kind of monster makes a boy wear Lederhosen!!

Anonymous Millenium May 10, 2016 6:29 PM  

Science just created an image of the most beautiful girl alive....and she's white

http://www.littlethings.com/florence-colgate-perfect-face

Blogger Russell May 10, 2016 6:36 PM  

#Whatifwewon no longer autocompletes on Twitter. It did for a couple of hours, then the SJWs thought police stumbled into action.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 6:55 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:Aristotle provides an excellent 3-part measure of good rhetoric (which necessarily moves men's emotions):

goodwill - that the message is intended in the best interest of the audience

good moral character - that the message appears to be righteous

good sense - that the message is easily grasped and appears to be founded on evidence (despite the absence of evidence).

He puts it another way: to move a man to believe a thing without relying on evidence (as we know, evidence is not relevant to persuasion), you must a) understand the man's emotional state, b) know the people towards whom he typically directs that emotion toward and c) be familiar with the grounds upon which those emotions are typically based.


Aha! That explains the effectiveness of wossname on Chateau Heartiste harping on white men to put white buns in white ovens. I've actually felt myself being persuaded.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 7:09 PM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:Of course, we know that was just branding, but nonetheless totalitarians generally want to break up families since they are a mediating institution between individuals and the state.

Yes.

As for why #whitegenocide doesn't work, in addition to what Vox said, I would argue that the piles of bodies are needed because an element of force is needed for genocide.

If you are voluntarily not reproducing that's on you.


Yes and no. An individual can make a choice, but a public policy will produce a result based on the average choice, which is heavily DNA-influenced. Therefore, a tax-and-spend policy will reduce the birthrate of the K-selected by taxing them to support the bastards of the r-selected.

Public welfare + orcs = suppression of white procreation.

Blogger GracieLou May 10, 2016 7:32 PM  

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm in the same spot as Were-Pup Twitter would be great if it's deep cover--I may have to return to the teaching racket. Pray for me--gah! I just want to stay home and iron and feed my husband and culture troll on the side, is that so wrong? Feminist boomers... I LOATHE you.

Pro tip: if you do unfortunately have a child in a public or private school the most dangerous leftist in the place will be the lit teacher, possibly the media specialist (yes, the librarian, you wouldn't believe the diabolical poison the ALA puts out for kids!). Art teachers would be the obvious choice but they are either too wacko to propagandize effectively or too tired to give a crap (or like me, a slithering subversive for Truth, Justice & Clean Living--bwahahah) But the literature people are stone cold Frankfurt School.

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 7:47 PM  

tz wrote:We just had Mother's day. Can you find any hashtag or even think of one that would convince a teen woman that Motherhood is more honorable than STEM, or construction, or accounting?

#MoreWhiteBunsInWhiteOvens

It isn't fancy, but it shouldn't take much. The young white bartenders around here have been having a baby boom since I moved here a few years ago, to the point that they joke about there being something in the water. And all I've done is talk about how much I would like to have babies someday, and encourage them without hesitation when they say they're thinking about having one.

You get more of what you incentivize, and they're already genetically programmed to want it. Social approval works.

Point -- Counterpoint

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 8:28 PM  

My final suggestions:

#WhiteMenAreScience and #WhiteKidsAreGold to go with #WhiteGirlsAreMagic. Rotate through to build the theme.

#PictureTheirKids for pictures of couples. Works whether they actually have kids or not. Works for any combination of races. And best of all, strategic ambiguity so you can flip the script on any SJWs that take offense:

SJW: "You're such a racist Nazi xenophobe!"
VFM: "How dare you treat adoptees as less than!"
SJW: "What?"
VFM: "It's totally okay that her kids would look like she adopted them! What's your damage, hater?"

Blogger SciVo May 10, 2016 8:46 PM  

kfg wrote:@167: "I changed my racial identity to "American"."

I grew up thinking of myself as simply American and had a few occasions when I needed to insist upon it, until I realized that I was, first, formost, always, a Yankee. Detroit may be part of the Empire, but it isn't part of my country.

In fact, my personal country is an area about 100 miles in radius and my ancestral country extends to about 200 miles.

Everyplace else I am, in some way, foreign.


Sure, but people used to not move that far, and race is a pretty general category. And locality is different in kind; I once had a close relationship with a black girl because she was from the same region, and we had a lot in common with each other that was different from everyone else around us. So either they're different axes, or else the dirt has a slow magic that works over many generations.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 9:19 PM  

" . . . people used to not move that far . . ."

I am a white man in America.

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson May 10, 2016 9:59 PM  

So the Left admits it: a two-parent family with children, a dog, and a nice neighborhood is what they consider the pinnacle of evil, equivalent to Nazism.

Astounding. Even I used to think a lot of things that right-wingers said about Leftists was mere rhetoric, to be taken only half serious. But no, it's all true: the Left really is that deranged.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2016 10:03 PM  

D. G. D. Davidson wrote:So the Left admits it: a two-parent family with children, a dog, and a nice neighborhood is what they consider the pinnacle of evil, equivalent to Nazism.

Daddy issues are worth a lifetime of misery to refuse to resolve.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 10, 2016 10:33 PM  

I gave you guys the answer. You put a picture like this out with the hashtag #BlueEyedDaddiesFTW.

It's positive (father's being proud of their children), emotional (mother's realize the father has a big impact on the looks of the kids), and for the bonus, SJWs will look like fools complaining about it - can't a guy be proud of his eye color?

I'm not a tweeter, so it's up to you, my colleagues, to make it happen.

Anonymous kfg May 10, 2016 11:46 PM  

@185: "So the Left admits it: a two-parent family with children, a dog, and a nice neighborhood is what they consider the pinnacle of evil, equivalent to Nazism."

In the literature they write for each other they've been proclaiming it and discussing strategy on how to eliminate it since 1884.

"I used to think a lot of things that right-wingers said about Leftists was mere rhetoric, to be taken only half serious."

The difference is that some of us have actually read the literature. Maybe even been to a few of the meetings.

Over the years I have found myself trying to get people to understand, "Look, Dude, it's not what I say, it's what they say!


@187: "can't a guy be proud of his eye color?"

I've always thought my eyes were brown, and in crappy light they are, but I've just recently discovered (I haven't spent a lot of time looking at my own eyes) that in good lighting they go all hazel and shit.

Cool.

Blogger SciVo May 11, 2016 12:07 AM  

kfg wrote:@187: "can't a guy be proud of his eye color?"

I've always thought my eyes were brown, and in crappy light they are, but I've just recently discovered (I haven't spent a lot of time looking at my own eyes) that in good lighting they go all hazel and shit.

Cool.


I thought it was cool until I went on Wankipedia and found that hazel is basically "none of the above." And then I decided it was even more cool, because blue is blue and brown is brown and hazel is WTF.

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2016 12:20 AM  

My eyes are hazel, and used to be green and brown. As I grew they got more and more blue, to the point where people would tell me my eyes were blue and I would deny it. But now I'm going to officially declare them blue, and leave hazel behind.

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 12:25 AM  

"WTF"

Exactly what I thought when I looked into a high quality makeup mirror and saw a glowing amber eyed cat looking back at me.

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2016 12:25 AM  

@176-I won't deny she's beautiful, but that article and video set off a pet peeve. One of the first qualities they mention is high cheekbones. High cheekbones are masculine! Women's cheekbones should flare out horizontally. The higher they are on the face the less feminine they are.

These scientists may be able to measure symmetry and such, but apparently are aesthetically ignorant.

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 12:35 AM  

"As I grew they got more and more blue . . ."

That's doing things backwards. I did it the usual way around and lost the blue as my hair lost the blond.

Anonymous Cassie May 11, 2016 12:36 AM  

@189 "hazel is WTF"

I was in a class once with a ginger whose eyes we all very seriously described as "red." Hazel can definitely include some crazy eye colors, no special contact lens required!

Anonymous kfg May 11, 2016 12:47 AM  

High cheekbones are something that makeup artists like. It allows them greater range in creating effects.

She also seems to have starved off a lot of weight since she was discovered, and the results are not good:

http://cdn.warpedspeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/BmoB4agIAAAW74P.jpg

She's starting to get that "I live on coffee, cigarettes and heroin" look that so many models get, mostly because to keep thin they live on coffee, cigarettes and heroin.

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2016 12:49 AM  

My hair used to be blonde, especially in the summertime. But I never had blonde hair and blue eyes simultaneously. Now it's brown and going strong, despite my family's predilection for premature grayness.

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2016 1:01 AM  

@195-It's weird how the fashion industry, which used to have something to do with promoting beauty, makes rationalizations for how they need this and that, all of which tend to reduce femininity. They have to be like a hanger, so we need flat chests and straight up and down bodies. They need robust facial features, so that they show up under the lights. They need dangly arms because I don't know why. They caveman foreheads and square jaws because whatever.

It's almost as if the people in charge are attracted to women who look like adolescent boys. I wonder why.

That doesn't apply so much to this girl, who as I said is attractive. High cheekbones are just one example of attributes people, apparently including scientists studying beauty (or at least journalists), have been brainwashed (yes, I use that strong a word, given how strong people's natural instincts of appreciation for truly feminine beauty are and how much propaganda is needed to counter it) into thinking are aesthetically pleasing on women.

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2016 1:17 AM  

By the way, I see that one of the reasons they picked Florence Colgate is because her face hit the Golden Ratio. Which is evidence the contest and/or the scientists didn't know what they were doing. Female attractiveness and Phi aren't correlated.

Which isn't to say the "divine proportion" isn't beautiful. You may find a seashell beautiful, but you probably don't want to have sex with it. You can also use the ratio to draw a beautiful portrait, for instance. But no one will be attracted to the figure for that reason. Other standards are in force. Female beauty is tied to sex, unlike aesthetics in general (necessarily).

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2016 1:29 AM  

By the way again, while looking up Florence Colgate I noticed a headline that said, "Jennifer Aniston is NOT the Most Beautiful Girl." Implying it's possible to think she was, before this Colgate tyro popped up. Which is evidence we live in a sick culture. That anyone could think Aniston was the most beautiful girl anywhere but a room full of ugly people, even with her surgically altered nose.

Sometimes the internet makes me sad.

Blogger Bosefus May 11, 2016 2:30 AM  

Shockingly White...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU9mhfNygNA

My gang will get you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87m0xoo4Mb4&list=RD87m0xoo4Mb4

I went down south and crossed the border... are you in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9BfB6W5Gc4

WAKE UP!

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