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Wednesday, May 04, 2016

Will there be war?

In which Stefan Molyneux and I discuss what appears to be looming on the not-so-distant horizon.



We were having some serious Skype issues, so I was forced to use a laptop with a camera, hence the poor video quality. On the plus side, the audio is better this time. Hopefully everything will come together by the third try.

If you wish to download the MP3 instead, you can do so here.

102 Comments:

Blogger Ken Prescott May 04, 2016 8:31 AM  

Is s bear Catholic? Does the Pope do his business in the woods? (o8

Anonymous Ator May 04, 2016 8:37 AM  

Native Europeans should be doing whatever they can to get their hands on some weaponry. It's probably better if war starts soon instead of a generation later when there are far more Muslims in Europe. A return to Nationalism would be a great thing.

Blogger peter blandings May 04, 2016 8:42 AM  

a lot of abstract verbiage, but isn't the real crux of free trade the fact that the u.s. was the only country in the world that played by the rules. while every other country was subsidizing their best companies, the u.s. was breaking up the best american companies; ibm, at&t, microsoft for starters. our politicians were still living in the 19th century and gleefully trustbusting while the rest of the world was consolidating and targeting the u.s. market with unrestrained, untariffed goods while fiercely protecting their own markets with every conceivable obstacle they could devise. in other words, america is stupid.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 9:05 AM  

VD, your position on corporations is great...BUT...you know that such changes would gut the living hell out of the current capital value of public corporations (on the stock markets.)

This is parallel to prudent proposals to rein in the insanity of credit growth (and thus debt assumption.) The current situation is a vast Hindenburg airship held aloft by valuations (stock, bond, real estate) predicated on a galaxy of perverse incentives that arose, piece by piece, mostly since 1913 (and on steroids since 1964/71.)

Those perverse incentives are so structural and valuations (100's of trillions of dollars in total wealth) so dependent upon them that the very notion of changing them is unthinkable today. Only when the Hindenburg catches fire and spirals to earth in a spectacular catastrophe will proposals to repeal the perverse incentives get a serious hearing.

Barn doors are *always* shut after the animals bolt, never before. Total dollar wealth will be divorced from the explosive gas of the Credit Bubble and corporate perversity only after it has already burned to a wreck.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 9:20 AM  

"Free Trade" (borders open to goods, capital and people) crashes on two simple considerations:
1. In a fiat money world, Country A buys Country B's stuff with Country A's debt securities, which have no value to Country B so Country B uses them to simply BUY UP all of Country A. Citizens of Country A don't even realize that their iGadgets and doodads are a noose slipped over their own necks until they awake one day and realize someone else now owns them, right down to the kitchen sink, and now they'll be paying, paying, paying those who sold them all that useless junk.
2. People of differing ancestral populations produce, genetically, different cultures. No magic dirt can wash off the Mestizo Culture from Mestizos or Arab Culture off Arabs (or Chinese Culture off of Chinese.) Import enough of such people and they will change YOUR culture (in ways we must assume you don't like, since you didn't choose to live where they came from.)

The cultural baggage of immigrants cannot be changed. It is in every cell of their bodies, and they pass it to their kids, their grand kids, and so on.

This is a non-economic externality. Given "Smart Fraction Theory," just the lower IQ of immigrants from outside the Hajnal Line insure a nation-state will BECOME POORER. Add in the cost of cultural contamination (which cannot be assigned a $ value, but who in America's Midwest wishes to MOVE TO HONDURAS?!) and we see that any wealthy nation is INSANE to allow immigration of people whose ancestors were outside the Hajnal Line. Even "high IQ" Chinese bring problems of culture with them (not to mention that their countries are predictable anomalies in the Smart Fraction Theory of national wealth.)
https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm

Anonymous Daedalus Mugged May 04, 2016 9:24 AM  

The better question is which will be the next war. Several interesting possibilities.

In all of human history, no war has ever been the last war. And until there is a war that leaves no humans alive, no war ever will be the last one. And even that is questionable.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 9:32 AM  

The last 50 years have been apogee for inclusiveness and social trust. They also coincide with the last vault higher in asset markets in a 5th wave in Elliott's Wave Principle (these things assort together.)

During these 50 years dissimilar people were shuffled together like never in history. The fault lines of race, social class, intelligence, culture and religion are huge, but this era of manic trust bridged them...at least in one direction (the magnanimous people whose ancestors were inside the Hajnal Line extended their high-trust civilization to those who have no genetic grasp of it at all, no means of assimilating it and who could never, ever produce it themselves.)

When this collective illusion finally dispels, Western people will awake to discover they deeply distrust and even detest those who just the week, month or year before they welcomed to the neighborhood.

Imagine the inversion of the irrationality of this absurd "We Are The World" open-armed trust. When I try to see this future, all I see is a river of blood. It scares the living hell out of me.

Blogger tz May 04, 2016 9:42 AM  

The Franenstate Corpseorations must be killed, but like undoing welfare and SSI, and OASDI without throwing them to starve, it must be like defusing a bomb - and hope we can do it before the timer counts down to zero.
The argument of 300 million hostages so we must go along is valid, but evil.

Anonymous Red May 04, 2016 10:00 AM  

OT:

VP, we desperately need online resources to fight against free trade. We're getting our butts kicked on it because people have been so deeply indoctrinated by the free traders and there's very few resources online to fight it. Could you setup up something on your side bar?

Blogger Gifford Pinchot May 04, 2016 10:37 AM  

"An opinion poll last year found 24% of Hungarians willing to express open antisemitic views, with the figure rising to 49% in the capital."

https://archive.is/MIL8F#selection-2105.691-2109.123

Like Molyneux said, Europeans are really really nice people, until they're not

Blogger VD May 04, 2016 10:51 AM  

VP, we desperately need online resources to fight against free trade. We're getting our butts kicked on it because people have been so deeply indoctrinated by the free traders and there's very few resources online to fight it.

Have you directed them to my book on the subject?

Anonymous Red May 04, 2016 10:58 AM  

>Have you directed them to my book on the subject?


Yes, but people won't pay for books on a subject they're closed minded about. I need at least a decent summery to get them interested enough to jump in for the full course.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 04, 2016 11:09 AM  

Geez Red. Buy the book and summarize it yourself.

Or tell them this:

1) Free trade will result in the exodus of 50% of the Americans under the age of 35.

2) This nation will be invaded by 100 million foreigners.

3) Your business will be slaughtered.

4) There will be war.

The people you are dealing with don't seem to care about logic. Why waste it on them, when you can just tell them the truth instead?

Blogger maniacprovost May 04, 2016 11:28 AM  

Have you directed them to my book on the subject?

O.o

Your pamphlet or RGD? I would advise anyone who wants to debate the anti-trade side online to get that 90s book you're always talking about, and mine it for raw meme ores.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 11:45 AM  

Argument about free trade?

Ask the free trader if he's okay with Saudi's owning all the apartment buildings, Chinese owning all the oil companies and financial exchanges and pretty much everything else in the USA being owned by the people who made us our trinkets while we paid them in script they can only use to buy up the USA?

Does the free trader really want to wake up and realize that everywhere he looks he sees absentee landlords and owners? Does he know anything about the origin of the Irish Potato Famine, and how Ireland produced more than enough food to feed the Irish, only that most of the land was owned by Englishmen and the food was exported for their benefit while the Irish went hungry?

Yes, Virginia, it does matter who the hell owns the economy on which you depend for life's essentials.

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 11:47 AM  

2) This nation will be invaded by 100 million foreigners.


Not Mississippi. Except for the chicken-pluckers, which the negroes won't do.

BUT! They can shoot a pistol sideways. Hit a lot of collateral shit that way.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 11:54 AM  

@ VFM #6306, you're an optimist.
1. Where will they go? Russia? China?

2. 100 million would be just the initial trickle from Africa's coming population explosion. Africa is going to try to dump a billion people onto the rest of the world between now and 2050. That's just 34 years, and just Africa. I hate to imagine how many Mestizos will continue to join the 50,000,000 already inside the USA.
3. What business? Obamacare is the gift that keeps on giving.
4. There will be war. The zombie apocalypse genre is simply art foreshadowing life.

Just my 2 cents, worth $0.00 on the open market.

Blogger kurt9 May 04, 2016 11:59 AM  

There already is war. The Muslim Middle-east is entering the 6th year of its 30 year war and Russia is likely to break apart sometime in the early 20's. So yes there is war. The real question is whether there will be a classic WW2 style war that involves Americans with all of the bullshit that accompanied WW2 (rationing, travel restrictions, unavailability of vitamin supplements, etc.). I think this scenario highly unlikely. After all, who would we being going to war with? The Chinese, despite their corruption and many flaws, are too rational to get into this kind of war with us.

Anonymous BGKB May 04, 2016 12:02 PM  

Add in the cost of cultural contamination (which cannot be assigned a $ value,

Forbes published in 1993 Economist Peter Brimelow that affirmative action cost 4% of the GDP, it has to be higher by now.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 12:04 PM  

Africa currently has a very low population density of about 65 people per square mile, which puts it behind Asia, Europe and South America. The population of Africa is currently projected to quadruple in just 90 years, with a growth rate that will make Africa more important than ever to global economy and more.

Africa's Nigeria is currently one of the most populous countries on earth and, as China's population shrinks and India plateaus, Nigeria will reach nearly 1 billion people by 2100 and come close to surpassing China. This is pretty amazing considering the country is about the size of Texas. Nigeria is set for one of the biggest population booms in world history and it's expected to increase by a factor of eight in just two or three generations.

The boom in Africa's population will be in sub-Sahara, including in countries like Tanzania, which is one of the poorest countries on earth. Just 13 years ago, the country's population was 34 million, which has now grown to 45 million but is projected to reach 276 million by 2100, which is close to the current population of the U.S.

Many consider Africa's population growth a bit frightening, with predictions placing the continent's population at 1.9 billion by 2050. By 2100, 3/4 of the world's growth is expected to come from Africa, reaching 4.1 billion people by 2100 to claim over one third of the world's population. Most countries will at least triple in population as the region has very high fertility rates and very little family planning in most regions.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/continents/africa-population/

There are THREE and only THREE paths ahead:
1. Treat the fertile, young 3rd world like a zoo where the animals are nurtured with the best care (inside their enclosures) but the zookeepers sterilize and use birth control to stop population growth.
2. Treat the fertile, young 3rd world like a nature preserve; fence it in, allow no escapees, sit back and watch nature in all its bloody, horrifying reality.
3. Civilization Collapse and a return of most of the world to almost complete barbarism.

If Africa's population explosion forms a tsunami to wash over the rest of the planet, within two generations all of the world will revert to exactly the conditions found in sub-Sahara Africa. DNA is destiny, and today's Cult of Equality would reject as biological colonialism any future attempt to use genetic modification to make Africans more like those of European ancestry.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 04, 2016 12:09 PM  

Awesome, its great to listen for over an hour on this important topic and lets promote the soon to be released item on free trade at amazon. Anyways, its so high quality and respectable our host and Mr. M converse for over 40 mins into over an hour, these matters must be discussed, thank you gentlemen.

Mulitnationals in NC schooled me with brutality rendering me bereft and (others too) seriously hurt but taught a key lesson as younger people. Corps are creatures of gov-co-ment or another good terms.

On not trusting politicians, its hilarious Glenn Beck and all these others cucks or neocons keep pointing us to politicians for trust and religion when the topic here and the topic at hand is economics. Our gen does not look to anyone in DC for trust, faith or stability, we belong to the Lord, we belong to ourselves and we can be the movers and shakers in our own locales for the betterment of where we live, DC can't touch that, can't destroy it.

It is good irrational incoherence of the current era is duly noted (I suggest humanity or times rung incoherent to others as well thru out time.)

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 04, 2016 12:11 PM  

The Chinese are going to suppress Africa with considerable efficiency.

If Mississippi is so invasion proof, why do you care what others think of free trade? The Birmingham Express is fine, right?

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 12:19 PM  

Heck, let's trade Africa for the US!

Give them 100 years, (which is no time in the big scheme of things), they'll wreck the place, put Mandelas's Big Head on Mt. Rushmore, no more toilets, they'll sell the joint for 5 cents on the dollar.

I'd like to conserve, not eat monkey meat, or pygmies, for that matter, and be able to hunt.

I say...let's get on some boats, and go back...to their "motherland".

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 12:26 PM  

Oh. We take our weaponry, tanks, planes, ships, especially.
This ain't no Ukraine/USSR crap.

You mount your naval artillery on your dugouts. Good luck with those oaks.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 12:29 PM  

A mathematical analysis of the decline of the USA (unless the Trump Phenomenon is just the tip of the iceberg and a full-out Operation Wetback II is imminent):
Mentor was playing a little game with me. I knew him well enough to know this was no random selection. "Look here," he said, pulling from his desk a recent population projection by US Census Bureau demographers, "what can your Laws of Immigration tell us about the changing face of America?"

Mentor handed me US population breakdowns by race and ethnicity estimated by the Census Bureau through mid-century. Table 1 summarizes the estimates.

Table 1. Evolution of First and Third World Populations in the US through 2050
% of TL Pop 2000 2004 2010 2020 2030 2040 2050
White 69.4 67.6 65.1 61.3 57.5 53.7 50.1
Asian 3.8 4.1 4.6 5.4 6.2 7.1 8.0
1st World 73.2 71.7 69.7 66.7 63.7 60.8 58.1
Black alone 12.7 12.8 13.1 13.5 13.9 14.3 14.6
Hispanic (white) 11.6 12.8 14.2 16.3 18.3 20.2 22.0
All other races* 2.5 2.7 3.0 3.5 4.1 4.7 5.3
Third World 26.8 28.3 30.3 33.3 36.3 39.2 41.9

Using values for f1 and f2 of 0.283 and 0.419, respectively, in (4), we expect that:

1) By 2050 the US per capita GDP will have declined, because of third-world immigration, to 86.8% of its 2004 value.

2) Correspondingly, from the Second Law, during this time the US mean IQ will have dropped by about 2 IQ points.


http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/imm.htm

BUILD THAT WALL against 3rd world immigration entirely.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 04, 2016 12:33 PM  

WRT Africa, I see three potential outcomes. Either they get their birth rate under control, mass starvation, or genocide. I do NOT see them getting to Europe in any major numbers, the Moslems are in the way...and Europe is awakening.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr May 04, 2016 12:39 PM  

As to free trade, I'm a believer in it...but only between peer states.

Dr. Pournelle made the argument that turned me away from the classical unlimited free trade position. If you allow unlimited free trade in goods, low-cost goods from abroad displace goods made domestically. The people who were making those goods domestically must find other employment...if they can. Some can be retrained, but others are pushed onto welfares. Which I have to pay tax for.

It's cheaper to pay a higher price for domestic goods than to pay the lower price for imports AND taxes for welfares. And better for society.

I AM a supporter of true free trade among peers, simply to expand the potential market and make it easier for small business to thrive...and the customer to get precisely what he needs.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 04, 2016 12:43 PM  

So, here is what the war looks like:

1) European deportations of Muslims, in part to other European nations. A terror attack in Germany due to the import of refugees from France, for example, would set off national conflict and ethnic cleansing.

2) Turkey seizes the opportunity to ignite European jihad. The US finds itself allied with Islam in WWIII.

3) Secession in the U.S. explodes in revolt. The Upper South does not fare well as factions break out. The Deep South fares better. Texas divides into five nations after a bloody but short civil war. The Midwest deports or genocides, but Illinois becomes a failed state. A lot of people die in the Southwest. The Northwest becomes half Asian.

4) South America goes feudal. No, literally feudal, becoming more functional than currently.

5) Australia finds its feet in a Chinese War, allies with the Japanese.

6) Russia bides its time before aiding the Nordic countries and bring an end to the Chinese War. They profit heavily off the peace.

7) Israel builds Ezekial's temple, expands its territory, and comes to a temporary peace with Islam through an arrangement with the Caliphate.

So, how do you prep for this war, and how do you "win?"

Depends on where you are and who you are.

Blogger Nate May 04, 2016 12:43 PM  

as always.... when China Japan and mexico impose tarrifs they are just helping out their economy. When the US does it... OMG!!!!! TRADEWAR!!!!

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 04, 2016 12:45 PM  

Free trade "between peers" is not free trade. Don't use that term because you are using it wrong.

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 12:52 PM  

VFM #6306 May 04, 2016 12:11 PM
The Chinese are going to suppress Africa with considerable efficiency.

If Mississippi is so invasion proof, why do you care what others think of free trade? The Birmingham Express is fine, right? I don't believe I ever said Mississippi was "invasion proof".

If you should feel so froggy...jump at your leisure.

BTW...I don't doubt you for a second about the Chinese.


Here's a little War data for you.....when the Bluebellies ran into Jackson, MS, there were sevearl battles.

I used to find minie balls, and other types of lead, all over what is now Livingston Park. Which, is now our zoo. We keep the Yankees there.

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 12:56 PM  

"kept", I meant. But, that sad-assed Johnson ran up the railway to the north.

Blogger tz May 04, 2016 12:58 PM  

@26 or bring back the Europeans to run things. Zimbabwe goes Rhodesia.q

Blogger praetorian May 04, 2016 1:03 PM  

The "exchange is always beneficial to both sides" idea needs to be ruthlessly attacked. As vox said, there is also time preferences in play, irrationality, simple fraud, commons destruction, externalities and a host of other issues that make me ashamed I ever took such an autistic idea seriously as a foundational concept.

A common culture is hugely important in most trade because I share, to some extent, in the long term interests of my trade partner. The envisioned long term total outcome, therefore, is that of the better and wiser of the two people in the trade.

The labor mobility issue is, of course, a killer.

And, finally, consider things like environmental regulations. We in the west (especially us smart folks) value our forests, clean air and clean water, and we are willing to trade raw economic growth in favor of preserving them. That's great. But is it then fair of us (especially us smart folks) to ask those who are less endowed with intelligence to compete in a global labor pool with chinamen willing to live ten to a room next to a factory busy shitting up their entire city? Absolutely not, and fuck us for ever letting it happen.

Free trade across cultural value gradients, especially for higher order goods, is extremely dangerous for the long term survival of a people.

Blogger Ahazuerus May 04, 2016 1:03 PM  

If there is not war, things will become immeasurably worse.

I'm not an advocate of just war theory - except in the sense I once saw Vox describe it, something like "when God himself tells you to do it, then you do it!" - so I don't say this lightly, but I do believe we will have to fight for our civilization or else settle for something not nearly as. good.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 04, 2016 1:14 PM  

Clay, you are missing the point: if Mississippi doesn't have an immigrant problem, then why worry about what ignorant locals think about free trade? If a nation like that already values its borders, free trade isn't in practice.

Blogger Nick S May 04, 2016 1:22 PM  

The great American Experiment is over and it was an utter failure. Consensus to follow.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 1:46 PM  

@ Nate, you forget that the USA as a nation-state is like whites in the USA. To whom much is "given," much more is redistributed. I guess the USA (and its 1st world fraction) is "given" peace and prosperity...you know, like a cosmic LINK card.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 2:08 PM  

Blood on hands?
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/

All of the people involved in carrying out all the resettlement will eventually have to face the music.

Each and every employee of these organizations, in YOUR state and city....
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/resource/voluntary-agencies

Anonymous cheddarman May 04, 2016 2:12 PM  

Africa's population will never hit 2 billion. Take away all of the medical, public health and food assistance from North America AND europe, combine that with a history of tribal warfare in most of these countries and an average iq of 70 in black Africa and you have a recipe for a massive die off of people.

It would not surprise me if The Chinese develope bio weapons that will help things along in terms of thinning out the herd.

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 04, 2016 2:16 PM  

There is another factor: Climate change. We look to be heading into another "little ice age" and all that entails. If food cannot be reliably and cheaply grown, well, you know. Most people aren't following David the Good and his fellow preppers.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 2:34 PM  

@ Takin' a Look, do you happen to know if David the Good recommends adding those who died of acute lead poisoning to the compost pile? (grin) As I recall, he recommends composing "everything."

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 2:49 PM  

Yes, Mr. VFM#306.

I understand. I wasn't talking about FREE TRADE.

I was commenting on your opinion about WAR:

3) Secession in the U.S. explodes in revolt. The Upper South does not fare well as factions break out. The Deep South fares better. Texas divides into five nations after a bloody but short civil war. The Midwest deports or genocides, but Illinois becomes a failed state. A lot of people die in the Southwest.

The first Capitol of the CSA was in Montgomery, AL. However, R. Lee was not going down to Alabama, while the Northern Troops ravaged his homeland.

So, the Confederacy moved it's Capitol to Richmond, Virginia...roughly 90 miles from Washington & Lincoln.

I understand their intention, but the logic was for nothing but shit...if not, patriotic. Strategic disaster.

It was soon realized that Virginia, MD, and such other states, had a loyalty to their STATE. NOT the US Federal government.

As I'm sure you know, Robert E Lee was offered the command of the entire Federal Army by Abraham Lincoln.

He refused. Because he KNEW, that would mean taking up arms against his fellow VIRGINIANS. His state. (can I get a "State's Rights", here?)

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 2:52 PM  

That was a weird opening jab. I think Molyneux looks more like Phil Collins.

@19m, a good example would be student loans. When you're 18 and signing up for 50K of debt, it's not compulsory and every adult you know is telling you it's a great idea.

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 2:53 PM  

Holy, moley....I lost half my damn post.

Not as bad as Pickett, I suppose.

OpenID aew51183 May 04, 2016 2:55 PM  

We're getting our butts kicked on it because people have been so deeply indoctrinated

Free trade is a ridiculously easy topic to debate.
The talking points are fragile and rotten.

"but muh tariffs will raise prices"
If companies are willing to go 7000 miles overseas to compete on cost, they'll be willing to come back on-shore to compete on costs if tariffs threatened to make their pricing non-competitive. (I've seen international large-scale sales pipelines, I've seen our sales teams scramble to source locally when they encounter tariffs)

"But muh trade war"

1 - There's already a "trade war", and our traitorous leaders are not fighting back. The BRICS countries in particular either subsidize their local firms, tariff or out-right exclude ours, and manipulate their currencies to the detriment of our local industry.

2 - What about "muh REAL war". Our industrial capacity is what saved the free world from Nazi conquest. If that same war were played out today, "neo-hitler" would win because we don't have pennsylvania steel, dozens of major shipyards, or the motor city. It should scare the crap out of any patriot that the chips in our smart-weapons come from china, and any protracted major conflict would result in the military running out of material within a couple months at best.




Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 2:56 PM  

Ooops, it resurrected!

Too bad Pickett's Brigade didn't.

Anonymous Opus May 04, 2016 3:00 PM  

Berlin Wall, BAD: Mexico Wall GOOD - somewhat contradictory I would say?

Blogger Austin Ballast May 04, 2016 3:01 PM  

What is the reasoning behind Texas splitting into 5 countries?

Putting a wall around Austin might have merit, but 5 countries?

Blogger tz May 04, 2016 3:07 PM  

MISH-ing Link - Italy? Theft not crime if hungry.

Yes, indeed. Europeans are very nice until they are very unnice, but 1. If the elites in their gated communities never feel the effects - including the police. and 2. The ordinary people are too busy avoiding rape and pillage and death since they're disarmed, will the catastrophic (in the mathematical sense - there are seven geometric catastrophes representing a discontinuous change) change occur while it can still matter?

Oh, the 60% of muslims in the country including all the major "100% no-go zone sharia" cities where the police are all Muslims have declared a caliphate. Matteo and Angelina out in the country are now ready to act. But what are they going to do?

The problem is not so much the Muslims, but what can only be described as the scene from (Lewis, Narnia) The Silver Chair where the Green witch creates a hypnotic fire and strums a monotonic melody on a Lyre so as to put everyone to sleep.

Molyneux as Puddleglum is perhaps even more comic, but he is attempting to stamp out the fire so those under the multicultural marxist spell can come to their senses.

Anonymous De Cisco Kiddd May 04, 2016 3:08 PM  

OPUS: Berlin Wall....keep people frm leaving.

Mexican Wall....keep worthless, tax-leaching people from getting in.

Send your local burrito bongo 100 bucks. Maybe, he won't have to pay some coyote to drag him in for 10K. 100 US will buy a lot of Mescal.

Blogger tz May 04, 2016 3:16 PM  

@praetorian - Very good point.
First, the exchange is Immediately beneficial to both parties in the exchange.
Second, it avoids public goods / externalities to third parties.

I'm annoyed at Stefan.
I hire an assassin.
Assassin kills Stefan for a price.
I'm happy and the assassin is happy with the exchange.

This is another long-standing problem or perhaps even a paradox with Libertarians. Morality is above and antecedent to the free market. The free market is about efficiency, not morality, and is properly and correctly amoral, so you need something (a Minarchy, Custom and Tradition, DROs who are NOT under market constraints!) above the "free market" to insure the "voluntary transactions" adhere to the NAP, UPB (Universally Preferably Behavior - Stefan has a long audiobook and shortened video) or other moral code.

"Free Trade" is this problem/paradox in a specific frame. If I can make a greater profit by grave violations of morality - as long as they occur "over there", is it proper or not to use "morality arbitrage".

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 04, 2016 3:18 PM  

This War is the Last War for the enemy. Their plan revealed already was for Three World Wars. The first eliminated the Tsar, the Second started the War of White Genocide.
Let this be their last battlefield. This Time THE WORLD HANGS IN THE BALANCE. By The Lord God, they will not escape this time.
Are you getting it? ARMAGEDDON IT. Really Getting it? ARMAGEDDON IT!
Lets get this party started, I'm getting BORED.

Blogger tz May 04, 2016 3:22 PM  

@VFM#6306 3) USA...
Which is why you should move now when it is easy and under your own terms instead of later when whatever 4GW anti-state force (or the reconstructed local state force) chases you out with only the clothes on your back.

Blogger tz May 04, 2016 3:27 PM  

@JS Let this be their last battlefield. This Time THE WORLD HANGS IN THE BALANCE. By The Lord God, they will not escape this time.
Mene Mene Tekel Uparsin.
The question is whom is it that will not escape this time.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 04, 2016 3:36 PM  

"Berlin Wall, BAD: Mexico Wall GOOD - somewhat contradictory I would say?"

Opus, even for a comic strip penguin, that's a very stupid thing to say.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 04, 2016 3:43 PM  

@49 What is the reasoning behind Texas splitting into 5 countries?

Putting a wall around Austin might have merit, but 5 countries?


Austin is one - it would be a faux-liberal state dependent upon the benevolent patriarchy of its allied neighbors ("There they go again" containment state).
Lincoln (in the SW) would be reconstituted as a socialist/failed Mexican buffer state (not on purpose, obviously, but in effect).
Panhandle
Gulf zone
Dallas/Ft. Worth

These regions have distinct and independent political objectives. The countries would remain allied under the ideal of "Greater Texas" but in a practical sense, would govern more specifically to the local cultures. Each of them except the Southwest is viable as an independent nation, and in most ways, would be more peaceful and prosperous than the current situation.

It will be either fairly violent or extremely brutal to get there, but it seems the most likely outcome, especially if secession fails overall but has strong regional support.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 3:46 PM  

Ooops, it resurrected!

Too bad Pickett's Brigade didn't.


You usually just need to wait for automatthew to rescue it from spam.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 04, 2016 3:46 PM  

And Opus, go ask that hobgoblin for that little mind back. He's nothing more than a foolish consistency, anyhow.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 3:49 PM  

Re: Serbs and Bosnians, the reason every conflict in a heterogeneous region turns into ethnic cleansing is because race is a military uniform you can't take off.

In a confusing warzone, the guy who shoots first wins. How do you decide whether to shoot? Well, you ask whether the other guy looks like the enemy. Then the escalating reprisals kick in until somebody wins.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 04, 2016 4:03 PM  

Re uniforms you can't take off.

Imagine in a very near future a cheek swab reveals in a matter of minutes, which tribe you REALLY belong to.

On a related note, I really like tattoos. They tell me quickly who to classify as particularly a herd animal. Facial tattoos are the best for this. Kind of like a bumper sticker that's slapped on the driver.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 4:09 PM  

The assholes are calling from inside the house.

Lolz xD

Anonymous Cowboy Clay May 04, 2016 4:17 PM  

Um...I formally announce my intentions to be the Emperor of the Gulf Texas States!

I think I'll make King's Ranch my White House.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 4:25 PM  

Imagine in a very near future a cheek swab reveals in a matter of minutes, which tribe you REALLY belong to.

That's a fascinating point. I don't think it'll be a determining factor in the immediate future, but possibly in the medium term. Certainly worthy of a TWBW short story, if you or someone else wants to pick it up.

On a related note, I really like tattoos. They tell me quickly who to classify as particularly a herd animal. Facial tattoos are the best for this. Kind of like a bumper sticker that's slapped on the driver.

Also a good point. I've always associated tattoos with animal desires and concrete reasoning, whereas people who tend to abstract desires and reasoning instinctively dislike them. (There's also a bit of class identity mixed in, but that has become increasingly irrelevant per Charles Murray.) The latter predicts psychopathy, tribalism, and impulsivity, whereas the latter predicts neuroticism, pathological altruism, and conscientiousness. It's not a great predictor but not bad either, probably in the 0.5 range.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 4:32 PM  

Red,

Yes, but people won't pay for books on a subject they're closed minded about. I need at least a decent summery to get them interested enough to jump in for the full course.

You're wasting your time anyway. Employ rhetoric.

Anonymous BGKB May 04, 2016 5:11 PM  

Russia bides its time before aiding the Nordic countries and bring an end to the Chinese War. They profit heavily off the peace.

Hopefully Putin says "anyone on the side of moslems will join them"

We look to be heading into another "little ice age" and all that entails. If food cannot be reliably and cheaply grown

The biggest problem of the global warming hoax is it has completely blinded people to the fact that the earth as not been this warm for much of its history. To bad a mile of ice can't form over Chicongo fast enough to keep leftists from escaping.


The ordinary people are too busy avoiding rape and pillage and death since they're disarmed

I know a STR8 married female nurse prepper that is purposely growing hemlock, the elite are not as safe as they think.

Facial tattoos are the best for this. Kind of like a bumper sticker that's slapped on the driver.

Every MS-13 facial tat is on a felon, they have to commit a felony to join.

Anonymous VFM209483 May 04, 2016 5:40 PM  

Hi Vox, wanted to indicate my strong enthusiam for your interviews with Molyneux. I recall on the last interview you posted there were some comments criticizing Stef for various reasons, defooing, etc. I am not very familiar with his older material but in the last two years or so have become interested in politics--during that time, I've listened to about half of Molyneux's videos. I can say without reservation they have been outstanding. In particular, I agree with your comment (during the presentation) that he is very willing to discuss uncomfortable topics. I would also say that, like you, he is quite open to entertaining discussion with conflicting viewpoints to clarify ideas and solutions. You and him are the two news sources I most frequent/respect and I am glad to see these joint presentations. Hopefully more will continue in the future (in addition to free trade, nationalism, feminism, migration, and libertarianism, I imagine you two might have great discussions about Christianity/theology/atheism or the relevance of 4g warfare in current events).

I value the interviews you post as you often provide additional detail for thoughts/arguments beyond what you post on the blog, especially when you discuss topics that you may not have a chance to put in your books. While your other interviews are always interesting, I think Stefan in particular is an excellent discussion cohost and has a lot of useful perspective to contribute to the conversations. Moreover, I imagine a rather large portion of his audience would be very interested in your material.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 04, 2016 5:53 PM  

Shooting is just part of War. Sun Tsu is essential reading for any and all combatants even today. Fights are won with tactics, battles are won with strategy, but Wars are won with logistics.
Food will be a Major Component. Remember that you have home field advantage. Even old browns have no idea or clue where the food comes from unless they pick it themselves. All that diversity is a starve and disease ridden Hellhole when the System goes down. Most Urban Wildlife has little or no food at its "crib". These are Uncle Sham's sugar babies and they eat hand to mouth. Lazy as fuck, no food stored in the fridge. The Mestizos I expect will run when it goes hot. They all La raza and Reconquista now, but no food stamps or easy jobs and Mexico will call them home, maybe literally on Carlos Slim's Telefono Mejico.
Save your ammo for home. Target practice live targets only. Bullets can be reloaded, but firefights use a lot of ammo. There might be some sad sack blue helmets involved if Captain Simian is still around for Civil War II. He's Boutros Boutros Solly for colonialism and wants payback for his dadda or some sheeit.

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 6:12 PM  

64. Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 4:25 PM
Imagine in a very near future a cheek swab reveals in a matter of minutes, which tribe you REALLY belong to.

That's a fascinating point. I don't think it'll be a determining factor in the immediate future, but possibly in the medium term. Certainly worthy of a TWBW short story, if you or someone else wants to pick it up.







Check this out, Aeoli...we're already there.


Check out the year. We've been
there a long, long time. Remember the Human Genome Project? It was a big stinking deal.

Then, it suddenly disappeared. One wonders why.

http://www.wired.com/2007/12/ps-dna/

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 6:14 PM  

Man, my 'puter is really goofing out on me.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 04, 2016 6:17 PM  

OMG. You think there might be DNA tests during a race war? Have you met the enemy? Are you from Mayberry or Smallville?

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 6:25 PM  

You want to make funny, you Star Wars juvenile?

I wasn't even addressing your puckered ass.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 7:15 PM  

You're talking past each other anyway. Nobody's going to swab the cheek of a guy who's in their gunsights, they're just going to look at his skin color. But they might swab the cheeks of their own officers to make sure they aren't Jews.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 04, 2016 7:18 PM  

I imagine you two might have great discussions about Christianity/theology/atheism

I second this, especially if you're thinking of doing a Part II for On the Existence of Gods.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 04, 2016 7:30 PM  

Why not discuss the absurdity of humanism. It posits the entire Universe and everything in it was the detritus of an enormous explosion, life has no meaning and is just what you make it and of course, hard work and willpower are useless since all our abilities just accidentally formed due to errors in RNA coding that resulted in accidentally useful mutations like higher cultures. Then try to fit that into their crazy quilt of White guilt for inventing our World and endin g slavery, the whole concept of racial debts for ancestral crimes, social justice to uplift the stupid and weak at the expense of the able and strong and of course the totally rational belief in Karma, Feng Shui, Voodoo, Magical Spells, candle magick and the care and empathy of cats as a replacement for childbearing to prevent Malthusian Extinction.

Anonymous Clay May 04, 2016 7:43 PM  

Wow, Joshua. That was purty damn existentially deep. You should get out a bit more. Wear camouflage, and walk by the woods, if possible.

Thanks.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar May 04, 2016 7:48 PM  

Thats cute Clay. I grew up in the woods boy. I don't need camo. I can hide and you won't even see me six feet away from you in broad daylight. No lie.

Anonymous FP May 04, 2016 8:05 PM  

" He's Boutros Boutros Solly for colonialism and wants payback for his dadda or some sheeit."

Hah! Good ol' Boutros.

Blogger Harsh May 04, 2016 9:04 PM  

Doing a bit of boozing tonight, Clay?

Anonymous gxg May 04, 2016 9:16 PM  

Great interview. It's also available on Itunes. (Freedomain Radio Podcasts.)

The most interesting part to me was Vox's comments about younger generations of Europeans, how they're less likely to love "diversity." I hadn't heard this before, and found this oddly encouraging, because rolling over for diversity and multiculturalism hasn't worked out so well for Europeans and European descendants.

Blogger tz May 04, 2016 10:00 PM  

I know a STR8 married female nurse prepper that is purposely growing hemlock, the elite are not as safe as they think.

Ah, the Socratic method of revolution. I'm reasonably sure it grows along all the irrigation ditches around here, but there's always ... alternatives. I just got my chemistry set in.

But that is what you get when you suppress the 2nd amendment (or push it). There is just so much creativity among the American citizenry.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau May 04, 2016 10:10 PM  

Sherman burned Jackson down three times cause Barksdale was in Virginia defending Richmond.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 04, 2016 11:57 PM  

Completed listening, great convo. wow I'm an insulated idiot, escaping into my arts while Germany burns hundreds of ref camps, Austria opts for nationalism, etc.

Blogger Bosefus May 04, 2016 11:58 PM  

I see the peace of God in VD's eyes... The other guy does not have it.

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 05, 2016 12:00 AM  

The most interesting part to me was Vox's comments about younger generations of Europeans, how they're less likely to love "diversity."

Very encouraging, so far the DS3 community isn't fond of diversity either and talks more about how to make money, survive in life instead of actual gameplay, this is also totally encouraging.

Blogger Bosefus May 05, 2016 12:28 AM  

On the other hand some cross pollination can't hurt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twOjwBORwg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9_ipu9GKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1qGB4d-7nw

Whites gone wild...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tyg5SJDpiQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvNUTqDJJaI

It's Easter every day.

Blogger Bosefus May 05, 2016 12:59 AM  

Who cares...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqC3BjIyq_0

Anonymous Takin' a Look May 05, 2016 1:04 AM  

You should buy the book. As for me, I say the 3 Ss and plant something with deep and hungry roots. The sooner the body is dissolved, the better.

Blogger Bosefus May 05, 2016 1:24 AM  

Free don't mean what it use to mean...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqDq3eyTGck

Blogger Bosefus May 05, 2016 1:27 AM  

Ok, I've stayed way past my welcome...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjiOtouyBOg

Blogger Bosefus May 05, 2016 1:38 AM  

Who's your Daddy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOMyS78o5YI

Don't loose it...but worry...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-0nWVdBH4

Blogger Unknown May 05, 2016 2:29 AM  

I found your comment about the rationality of people interesting, Vox. I had a macro economics course last quarter, and rational assumption is one of the basic building blocks that the entire economics edifice is built upon.From my textbook, Economics Today, by Roger Leroy May: "Economists assume that individuals act as if they systematically pursue self-motivated interests and respond predictably to perceived opportunities to attain those interests." From the same text, rationality assumption is defined as: We assume that individuals do not intentionally make decisions that would leave themselves worse off.

I twigged on that as BS right at the start, but in the interest of not starting a huge debate in class, just let it lie. I am glad to see that I am not the only one that holds that entire line of thought as suspect.

Anonymous dumme Gans May 05, 2016 3:28 AM  

Enjoyed this interview very much, Vox. I've been a reader of your blog/columns since 2001, and IMO your ideas are best served when you express them in video.

We all know that written communication is incapable of accurately reflecting many subtle expressions of humor, sarcasm and empathy. As the author of your writing, you can't objectively know how it reads from others' perspective, but after watching your interviews with S.M. it is apparent that your opinions are much more compassionate and nuanced than reading your blog alone conveys.

It's really a shame, because as insightful as it is, your writing alone doesn't do your ideas justice. I suspect you shoot for conciseness and accuracy, but the result is often a very cold message. Your video interviews express much more humanity ("Hey, he might even be a nice guy!") and while I suspect you don't care much what others think about you personally, the compassion you have for others--yes, it's evident, even if you think an INTJ like yourself doesn't have much--comes through on video, even when talking about policies or ideas that the ankle-biters find offensive.

For whatever it's worth.

Blogger Kona Commuter May 05, 2016 6:34 AM  

I enjoyed the discussion. Thanks for uploading it

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2016 8:33 AM  

@ unknown, it takes very high intelligence (or incalculable naivete) to believe that people generally act rationally. Your observation is why economists suck at stock investment except when markets trend so long that blind monkeys succeed.

Blogger kmbr May 05, 2016 2:16 PM  

I woke up and saw this queued up in my podcasts and was absolutely giddy.

It was excellent, as Vox always is. And SO glad to see Stefan is evolving on this issue.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian May 05, 2016 3:43 PM  

These types of interviews are always the better ones. Good talk.

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Blogger Global Man May 06, 2016 3:05 AM  

Hey Vox,
I am not sure if this will show my ID. I am Peter Andrew Nolan and my email is peter@peternolan.com if you want to get hold of me.

I have been aware of you for many years but you have not been making may statements in the area of the criminal victimisation of men in the family law courts so I have not reached out to you at an time to let you know I exist. My work in the area or family law courts is very well known and I just figured if you want to talk to me I am one of the easiest guys in the world to find.

With respect to this video. Yes. There are more coming wars. WW 2 never really ended as the war in Israel was started in 1948 and the war in Korea soon after. The world has been at higher and lower levels of war since 1914 really. You could argue further back than that but hey, 100 years of war is pretty much permanent war and Eric Arthur Blair said there would be.

We could have stopped these wars but men were not willing to help me when I called for help so I guess men really do want to be killed off in wars. Good luck to them.

I just wanted to address a comment you made in this video. You notied Mike Chenovich and Milo.

I just wanted you to know that Mike is a subversive working on the behalf of the committee of 300 as a member of the law society.

Milo is a liar and a coward....and I suspect him of being as subversive. I do not know for sure he is, but when challenged on that point he has refused to offer any evidence that he is not a subversive and has refused to make any statement opposing the committee of 300 that would indicate he is not a subversive.

That he is unwilling to make any statement that would be actual opposition to the committee of 300 makes it very likely that he is a subversive.

His actions over the last 12 months or so are also entirely consistent with being a subversive. I have not seen him say or do anything that would indicate that he was genuine, and I know he is not honest.

I just thought that since you referred to them you would like to know their actual status.

Best Regards

Peter Andrew Nolan

Blogger LP9 Forever Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra S.I.G. May 06, 2016 3:13 AM  

11 Thank you for all you do, yes I have promoted, linked and pushed the books, info, etc., on those whom need the edu on this utterly required reading matter.

The issue stands; sometimes those of lesser intel, non genius people need my extra links and help to your resources from there its denial, anger, butthurtz but then the light dawns upon us or upon those whom Im trying to reach with C. Houses' work and Vox's work.

It can be done, it just takes some time and its ok, to help them or others read the truths you expound is the objective.

Blogger Edwin Rydberg June 04, 2016 6:50 PM  

The war has already started. Currently it's being fought (1) as a battle of information in the media and on the internet, (2) as a slow invasion. Now that the first stages appear to be won by the leftists, the war is openingly moving into the political arena - with legalized reduction of free speech by the EU and various national governments of the West. This will all culminating with the U.S. election. By November 2016 we should have an excellent idea of what the state of the West will be and whether we may be able to avert war, or whether the streets will be filled with rioters. Because any war that is coming this time will be started by the people as an attempt to regain their cultures and their rights and it will make the Arab Spring look like a picnic.

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