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Saturday, June 11, 2016

And so it has come to pass

Conservatism Incorporated has marginalized conservativism:
For many decades, Conservatism incorporated has been purging those to its right. Anyone too right wing was deemed to not be a true conservative. And the purge went ever leftwards ever faster.

The alt right is those that have enemies to the left, and no enemies to the right. As conservatism purged ever more people, ever faster, it would inevitably happen that they would become a minority in the Republican party.

And so it has come to pass. The alt right outvotes conservatives.
I don't know how many people would describe the #AltRight that way, but it's certainly a useful way to describe the self-abnegation of the GOP establishment. I do think, however, it also should be kept in mind that many recent "conservative" policies, such as the adoption of free trade, "real" equality, and propositional America, have proved to be destructive nonsense.

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Blogger Phillip George June 11, 2016 1:45 AM  

someone here put it in the starkest terms I've ever read: conservatives couldn't even conserve a women's only bathroom.

they are so busing polishing their tolerance awards, they enabled child abuse, killed the economy, gutted the military, spread middle east war like a plaque, took down Europe as collateral damage, ......, but, many of us believe their worst is still yet to come.

Anonymous VFMUltra June 11, 2016 1:53 AM  

When the cucks are finally purged from the Right, I have my doubts that it is going to be as metaphorical as thier purges in the past.

Blogger tublecane June 11, 2016 1:55 AM  

Conservatism Inc. says the people it purges aren't really conservatives. Yet what power, money, and influence they have derive from masses of voters, customers, and captive audiences who don't necessarily toe the ideological line. There are protectionists, pacifists, libertarians, theocrats, racists, and all variety of heretics in their midst. They need them, but take them for granted to the extent that they forget they even exist.

When I hear about Trump attacking fellow Republicans at a debate "from the left" because he's criticizing the Iraq War, I wonder, "What the hell?" Then I remember, to them the right is pro-Iraq War by definition. That's just how it is, because they'd be disinvited from cocktail parties if they didn't thank God Saddam is dead fortnightly. They don't realize things aren't like that for everyone, including the voters they rely on to provide them with sinecures.

Blogger tublecane June 11, 2016 2:06 AM  

@1-The worst is yet to come, of course. Just wait until they tell us transgenderism is conservative. It's already happened with gay marriage.

I used to think conservatives are doomed because they hold the line wherever the left moved it last week. But it's worse than that. A lot of the time they establish their defense behind enemy lines. Not to be saboteurs, mind you. They stake their claim in leftist territory pretending it's their home turf, from which vantage point they watch the Red Army march into the distance. They don't stand in the way, they sit in the rear. I can't even say they don't cheer them on, because sometimes they do.

Blogger Pseudotsuga June 11, 2016 2:12 AM  

Once I realized that the Left never gives an inch, and never compromises, and never argues in good faith, I stopped trying to meet them in the middle like a good "Conservative." All the virtue signaling I could ever muster is not going to convince the left that my way is the better way. So now, as Captain America says, "No. You move."

Blogger Sir Thermite June 11, 2016 2:32 AM  

"This far you [right] you may go, but no further." Uh oh...here comes the deluge to wash everything clean again.

Blogger Unknown June 11, 2016 2:44 AM  

Pseudotsuga wrote:Once I realized that the Left never gives an inch, and never compromises, and never argues in good faith, I stopped trying to meet them in the middle like a good "Conservative." All the virtue signaling I could ever muster is not going to convince the left that my way is the better way. So now, as Captain America says, "No. You move."

This....This a million fold.

Blogger American Spartan June 11, 2016 2:46 AM  

Hey Vox, some questions for you.

First how do you see possible use of nukes against Israel effecting the Alt Right/Nationalist movements in the West?

2. Are you armed in Italy? I do not want the hordes of arabs to get you.

3. What would it take for you to move back to America?

4. What kind of riots do you think we will see when Trump wins/starts the deportation forces?

Blogger Sir Thermite June 11, 2016 2:49 AM  

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Blogger Neanderserk June 11, 2016 2:50 AM  

Conservatism is anti-Biblical. The Old Testament clearly states that if your best friend privately entices you to follow other gods, you are to drag him before the people and cast the first stone at his execution. That is an anti-American, anti-conservative notion. Therefore let me have nothing to do with either.

Anonymous Wanderer June 11, 2016 2:57 AM  

Fuck you Stephen King.

Blogger Sir Thermite June 11, 2016 2:57 AM  

conservatives couldn't even conserve a women's only bathroom

Ironic how within a year of gaining and celebrating the "right" to serve in U.S. military combat positions, women have conceded the right to the exclusive territory already carved out for them in every public building. Pathetic

Blogger EscapeVelocity June 11, 2016 3:15 AM  

Two Leftwing Parties, only opposed to the form of economic Socialist Fascism to be implemented fully...both agreeing on Leftwing cultural progressive social engineering.



Anonymous John Steed June 11, 2016 4:27 AM  

This reminds me of my one year in the Libertarian party. I came to see that when they said `Founding Fathers` that they only meant Franklin and Jefferson. Also, the quote could be, ``Anyone too rightwing was deemed not to be a true [libertarian]``. They had nothing to offer to families as they were always looking Left-ward. And so the GOP today.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 11, 2016 4:33 AM  

We don't allow the left to judge us without cost

Blogger tublecane June 11, 2016 4:33 AM  

@13-Instead of two parties I like to think of there being one ruling class with an Inner Party and an Outer Party. Conservatives are busy with menial jobs in the various ministries, while progressives or whatever we call them enjoy brandy and cigars.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra June 11, 2016 5:15 AM  

8 There is no way they'd return stateside. It's horrible here. At least over there and other countries have health care, descent food/wine, career mobility and sports.

Conserve, cucks, GOPe and neocons sunk themselves, its also a baby boomer phenomena.

Blogger James Dixon June 11, 2016 6:49 AM  

Not Vox. but...

> 2. Are you armed in Italy? I do not want the hordes of arabs to get you.

Vox obeys all gun laws in whatever area he may be in. Just as all Italians do.

> 3. What would it take for you to move back to America?

I'm thinking the VP slot or Chairman of the Fed might be enough to entice him back, but I don't know if anyone has Trump's ear in that regard or not. :)

Blogger Todd Miller June 11, 2016 7:21 AM  

I just don't get the point of being "Alt Right" as opposed to pro-White.

Blogger Phillip George June 11, 2016 7:37 AM  

conservative is a synonym of betrayal.

We're just the goodies Todd. Pro White implies affirmative action. It could be construed as bigoted to discriminate in favor of your own children so it's best to obfuscate your intentions and amputate your own two feet in-order obtain self sacrificial moral superiority. Anyone with a badge is a hypocrite. Pick up any, and I mean, any newspaper; I challenge you to find anything longer than a paragraph that isn't sermon in disguise or the sports results.

Bat shit crazy came with ignoring Jesus. Junk bonds follow on from junk theology. Cheers.

Anonymous Cinco June 11, 2016 7:49 AM  

What would it take for you to move back to America?

He answered this in a recent blog post or interview, I think it had something to do with pardoning and apologizing for the imprisonment of his father.

I believe there is some truth to the linked article. America watched the collapse of the U.S.S.R and pushed the Russian Bear out into the cold. While wandering in the wilderness, the Bear found the Iranians, Syrians, Chinese, Indians and Belorussians. There may be some truth to the saying, "insulate, don't isolate." Now the purged members of the old GOP have formed an alliance not based on shared ideology but of necessity.

The idea that you can cast anyone viewed as an extremist out of the movement and that one day they aren't going to link up and coordinate is short sighted. In long run the extremists are going to be the ones dictating the field of battle.

Blogger Salt June 11, 2016 7:52 AM  

Conservatism Incorporated has a ring to it. It does seem that there's a war of the labels going on.

Anonymous mature craig June 11, 2016 7:53 AM  

I like what Vox is trying to do. Too many wishy washy cream puffs int gop getting manhandled by dems and media. Abd tricked by fakes

Anonymous mature craig June 11, 2016 7:55 AM  

Some good news is that Trump is not like that

Blogger Doom June 11, 2016 7:59 AM  

"The alt right is those that have enemies to the left, and no enemies to the right."

This is false. I have enemies to the left and right. Now, am I actually alt right? By the definition of having been purged, yes. Especially for the reason of the purge. However, this is them, again, trying to define left and right, and again doing it wrong. The left and the right are the same thing, just various stages of it. If I had to label alt right, it would be those who aren't choosing left or right, for both are big government, government enforced integration, control of the mind, lots of things that have nothing to do with, and are contrary to, my politics. Both, as well, are Godless.

If I am alt right, and alt right is anything like me, then it isn't of the left or the right. It is simply not on the same program. Don't believe a word of these idiots. Don't let them, again, define us out of politics. Tell them to shut up, take a seat, in prep to be fired out of government as government is dismantled back to a safe(r) size... a quarter of what it is, with a hundredth the number of laws, lawmen, judges, and courts. It's coming or we are all done for.

Blogger Silly But True June 11, 2016 8:02 AM  

@5 Once we be pedantic on this, it's clear how much is lost on the arts and culture side of things.

Captain America said that nearly nine years ago.

Now, as written by a left-wing avowed hater of the right, Captain America is evil, and fought within the last six months not less than two separate analogues for Donald Trump: the Red Skull and Sons of the Serpent.

And his speech you cited was instead not said by him, but said by Peggy Carter and as quoted by Sharon Carter.

See where things are, now?

Silly But True

Blogger Cail Corishev June 11, 2016 8:15 AM  

"conservative" policies, such as the adoption of free trade, "real" equality, and propositional America

Which are all left-wing ideas. I think conservatism's internal contradictions, which have caused it to sabotage itself into irrelevance, come from the fact that it has two incompatible parts. There's the gut conservatism and intellectual tradition of the right, which appreciates the natural order, tradition, and Christianity as the true faith and not just a community-building exercise. Then there's the political conservatism which came from (((leftists))) who rejected some of the extremes of communism and replaced them with American individualism and entrepreneurship, but never gave up their basic leftist beliefs.

The rightist conservatives welcomed the leftist conservatives because they had a common enemy in Communism and the threat of it coming to the West, and at the time that outweighed everything else. But take away the USSR and what's left is all contradictions. There's simply no reason for right-wing and left-wing conservatives to be allies anymore, except the common enemy of Democrats, and now that the left-wing conservatives are showing that they prefer Democrats to right-wing conservatives, there's no reason to stay allies at all.

As the left and right of conservatism split, the left gets to keep the name because it's been leading the overall movement for a long time -- not four months, or four years, but decades. The left has been purging the right (while keeping some of its more picturesque aspects like the nuclear family for marketing purposes) since the John Birch days, that I know of, and probably longer. I'd put the tipping point at the fall of the Berlin Wall. That's when Republicans (considered conservative) started openly running against the old, mean, restrictive conservatism of the Cold War; reorganizing the military as a globalist police force; and treating the economy as the primary force for good in the nation.

That was 27 years ago.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 11, 2016 8:18 AM  

I have, (much to my surprise), acquired rather late in life the revolutionary's contempt and disdain for the petite bourgeoisie.

They have no fight in them. Once the progs mainline something, they stop resisting it and start supporting it.

They are too fucking proud of their minor little status markers like a college degree and the enlightened opinions that go with them.

They are the fountainhead of the #nevertrumps. That pack of utterly useless virtue signaling mugwumps.

Hey assholes, sitting on the sidelines is in fact making a decision. Just vote for Hillary or renounce your citizenship entirely.

Blogger Ahazuerus June 11, 2016 8:22 AM  

I have a libertarian friend , who's been saying recently that the LP should give up some of their ideological purity in order to win votes. To become politically relevant, as he also described it.

While I pointed out that electing an LP president who would govern in much the same way as Clinton is hardly a thing to be celebrated, because relevance, something else struck me about the conversation.

By way of contrast with the altRight, who refuse to compromise core principles and are now replacing those who already have done so, it is odd that some libertarians think they will gain by pursuing the opposite strategy.

I conclude that this difference springs from reality itself. The altRight are in congruence with reality and therefore to hold fast to those items of congruence is to ultimately prevail. The Libertarian Party is incongruent with reality and therefore to hold fast to those items of incongruity is to fail, to relinquish them is gain.

Anonymous mature craig June 11, 2016 8:38 AM  

The internet could be a mich more powerful and formidable force if something could be done about the trolls

Blogger Akulkis June 11, 2016 8:48 AM  

@16

That is the best description I've seen yet.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 11, 2016 8:52 AM  

This isn't new. The GOP leadership has always been willing to neglect the base to try to woo votes in the center. They lost the Black vote in the 1930s with that sort of neglect, and gun owners would potentially flip if the Democrats made a better offer.

The GOP Establishment isn't that good at being an Establishment.

Blogger Patrick June 11, 2016 8:56 AM  

Anyone read David French's latest at NR? He's discovered that delegates to the convention aren't bound to Trump because of a conscience clause. Weird NR didn't find this out when McCain or Romney were the presumptive nominees.

Blogger peter blandings June 11, 2016 8:56 AM  

for the last 35 years the gop has been nothing more than a bunch of dickless democrats in disguise. including reagan. that son of a bitch amnestied 15 MILLION mexicans. the repub party is dead. long live the alt right

Blogger Todd Miller June 11, 2016 9:09 AM  

Philip George notes: "It could be construed as bigoted to discriminate in favor of your own children.."

Boy, doesn't that identify the sickness of our age.

Anonymous Truth Misssile June 11, 2016 9:11 AM  

No enemies to the right.

Blogger Megalomaniacal, Misogynist, Racist, Islamophobic, Ableist, Transphobic Hellhound June 11, 2016 9:11 AM  

@15 Mr.MantraMan

We don't allow the left to judge us without cost
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That's a great motto

Blogger Megalomaniacal, Misogynist, Racist, Islamophobic, Ableist, Transphobic Hellhound June 11, 2016 9:16 AM  

@24 Silly But True

And his speech you cited was instead not said by him, but said by Peggy Carter and as quoted by Sharon Carter.

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And they went out of their way to turn Agent Carter into a mudshark.

Blogger Quadko June 11, 2016 9:22 AM  

@30 "conscience clause"
Politics is Dragon Poker. If you don't know the rules, it's not the other player's job to inform you of them to their detriment. That's where being "wise as serpents..." comes in.

Besides, the stance political chatterers take is not about integrity, it is just about manipulating the actions of their readers. "The Oracle doesn't tell you the truth, just what you need to hear to do what you need to do." And when that oracle isn't on the side of the light but just after their own benefit...

Anonymous BGKB June 11, 2016 9:27 AM  

how do you see possible use of nukes against Israel effecting the Alt Right/Nationalist movements in the West?

If jews didn't have a place to flee to would they behave better in the west? Or at least not import 3rd world savages? Perhaps learned from the inquisition?

What kind of riots do you think we will see when Trump wins/starts the deportation forces?

If TRUMP says "shoot anyone with a Molotov cocktail or attacking a cop" just one riot.

and celebrating the "right" to serve in U.S. military combat positions, women

Not serve they want the right to be handed ranger tabs for promotion points. They have no intention of serving somewhere that a man is not obligated to help them over a wall. "Hey you moslems time out I am a girl all the men went over the wall by themselves & left me here"

Vox obeys all gun laws in whatever area he may be in. Just as all Italians do.

The cosa nostra is a myth and most certainly doesn't do more to protect NYC from moslems than the cops

Blogger Lovekraft June 11, 2016 9:28 AM  

We don't allow the left to judge us without cost.

Excellent.

I've been consistently pushing back against claims our side is (insert standard PC shaming here) by requiring leftists to first defend their actions or renounce them. I am under NO obligation to defend my position since the alt-right isn't the one who put us here.

Blogger Jim June 11, 2016 10:01 AM  

I used to listen to "conservative" radio all the time. Now I'll tune into Rush every so often (not always right, but usually entertaining I really enjoy when Mark Steyn sits in), but I've given up on everyone one else. Maybe some are better than others, but generally speaking they're almost all mouthpieces for Conservatives Inc. The Salem radio network is especially egregious a la Hugh Hewitt.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 11, 2016 10:06 AM  

Conservatism Incorporated has marginalized conservativism:

I think that was always the purpose.

To co opt people, control and then misdirect the movement and their interests. TO lie and subvert people's interests.

These wolves in sheep clothes must be outed, and always guarded against.

Anonymous andon June 11, 2016 10:13 AM  

Jim June 11, 2016 10:01 AM
I used to listen to "conservative" radio all the time. Now I'll tune into Rush every so often (not always right, but usually entertaining I really enjoy when Mark Steyn sits in), but I've given up on everyone one else. Maybe some are better than others, but generally speaking they're almost all mouthpieces for Conservatives Inc. The Salem radio network is especially egregious a la Hugh Hewitt.


me too. I used to listen 12-14 hours a day for years until I finally realized that their words don't mean anything. Its all just talk. as for Salem, all the hosts are down with "Feed the Children" aka feed the children of your invaders. Heavy Israel sponsorship on Salem last I heard as well, which didn't bother me at the time.

Blogger Dexter June 11, 2016 10:16 AM  

If jews didn't have a place to flee to would they behave better in the west? Or at least not import 3rd world savages?

Nope. Jews betrayed and undermined Britain and the USA before Israel even existed.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 11, 2016 10:25 AM  

for the last 35 years the gop has been nothing more than a bunch of dickless democrats in disguise.

lol. not all, with a few exceptions, but the dickless democrats in disguise always seem to get their way

Anonymous mature-Craig June 11, 2016 10:27 AM  

re 10:25 actually you know what that's not really true, but its funny, nice alliteration too

Anonymous mature-Craig June 11, 2016 10:28 AM  

imagine a world without GOP, just all democrats, actually it might be the exact same thing

Anonymous mature-Craig June 11, 2016 10:32 AM  

also another thing,,,, on one of Trumps facebook pages, he mentioned how the race against Hillry is going to be close... and was asking viewers to "comment" It seems to me he is askin the internet for some help. Try to help him if you want himn to win and you want the country to be better

Anonymous Jon Bromfield June 11, 2016 10:41 AM  

With a few exceptions, "Conservative" radio is Cuckservative. Michael Medved is the worst, has no clue of the existential fight we're in. Does more damage Monday - Friday to liberty than a hundred thousand SJWs. Haven't listen to him since he advised Trump to come to the next Fox debate, after the Megyn Kelly kerfuffle, with an apology and a dozen roses. Gaaaack!

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 11, 2016 10:44 AM  

They're calling themselves Tru-Cons now. Only half of the hyphenated term is accurate however. Like all cons, there's no truth in anything they say or write. Just SJWs wearing Jeezus masks, except the face resembles Che Guevera more than any old depictions of Christ. The process mentioned in VD's post is an example of modern liberals shedding the unprincipled exceptions to their underlying leftist weltanschauung faster than a Banksta sheds wives. They couldn't even conserve a women's only bathroom because it was never in their spiritual DNA to begin with. The only thing they've ever conserved were advances made by their team-mates on the L-squad in the onward slouch towards the promised one-world utopia, where they think they'll be honored as heroic leaders of the shiny-sexy new order.

Blogger David Holden June 11, 2016 11:12 AM  

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/?m=0
New term for Paul Ryan and his ilk cuntenvelope

Anonymous andon June 11, 2016 11:45 AM  

nah, "cntvelope" is too vulgar, wont catch on.

Blogger Sheila4g June 11, 2016 11:50 AM  

@26 Cataline Sergius: "They are too fucking proud of their minor little status markers like a college degree and the enlightened opinions that go with them."

This. Having grown up in the DC suburbs, gone to a then high-status college, and worked in State, that's all any of them are concerned about. Do you have the right connections, the right ticket punches for me to give a crap about you? No? Then I'll step on you and then over you en route to ever bigger status markers. The commonweal? Patriotism? What's in it for me?

I'm always amused when I'm inevitably called "right wing trailer trash" or "redneck racist" by cuckservatives online. I lost my faith in credentialism years ago, and if I listed all my ticket-punches in counter to those accusations, it would merely cement their belief that I'm certifiable. Who throws that sort of thing over? What kind of person with higher degrees refuses to send her children to college to be indoctrinated? They cannot comprehend, and I will not explain.

Blogger Megalomaniacal, Misogynist, Racist, Islamophobic, Ableist, Transphobic Hellhound June 11, 2016 11:59 AM  

Virtue signallers

Anonymous andon June 11, 2016 12:00 PM  

11. Anonymous Wanderer June 11, 2016 2:57 AM
Fuck you Stephen King.


“I am very disappointed in the country,” King told Rolling Stone of Trump’s apparent popularity. “I think that he’s sort of the last stand of a sort of American male who feels like women have gotten out of their place and they’re letting in all these people that have the wrong skin colors. He speaks to those people.”

has nothing to do with women. has everything to do with illegal invasion and govt who thinks they're not acctable to anyone. for me, also has to do with illegal alien crime, but go back to your gated community or mansion behind 10 ft walls

Blogger praetorian June 11, 2016 12:08 PM  

Conservatives couldn't even conserve a women's only bathroom.

Brutal.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 11, 2016 12:10 PM  

"Virtue signaling" from some internet site

"Virtue signalling is the expression or promotion of viewpoints that are especially valued within a social group, especially when this is done primarily to enhance the social standing of the speaker.[1][2][3] For example, expressing a hatred of the right-wing newspaper Daily Mail might be an example of virtue signalling among the British left.[1] The term is chiefly used by conservative commentators to criticize the expression of tribalistic socially progressive views on social media,[2][3] but has also been used to describe analogous behaviour in other groups, such as pro-gun rights grandstanding among the American right,[3] and by signalling theorists to discuss conspicuous piety among the religious faithful.[4]

Reception of the phrase has been mixed: Zoe Williams has described the phrase as the "sequel insult to champagne socialist",[5] while David Shariatmadari says that while the term serves a purpose, its overuse has rendered it a meaningless political buzzword.[2] Some on the left have embraced the term: Helen Lewis, writing for the New Statesman, blamed virtue signalling for Labour Party's surprise defeat in the 2015 general election, suggesting that the desire to be seen as holding virtuous opinions leads political activists to focus on issues such as nuclear disarmament that are lofty and remote to common voters, resulting in an echo chamber effect that led Labour strategists to underestimate support for Conservative policies.[6]

The term was popularized by James Bartholomew of The Spectator in a 2015 column,[7] but has been cited since at least 2004
"

Anonymous Wyrd June 11, 2016 12:16 PM  

M-O-O-N, that spells Stephen King has gone full retard, laws yes!

Blogger praetorian June 11, 2016 12:21 PM  

I just don't get the point of being "Alt Right" as opposed to pro-White.

Pro-white is too much for a large section of white normies right now. The are marinated in the proposition-nation propaganda and, this is white people we are talking about, they are too nice and altruistic.

Alt-right is a code word for pro-white.

When I'm red-pilling (always be red-pilling) I tend to use the term "European" rather than "White" because, in upper-middle america, European is associated with sophistication whereas "White" is associated w/ skin-heads.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 11, 2016 12:25 PM  

Stephen King is a rube from Maine. You can't hold his little parochial blindness against him. It is just in his nature, ayuh.

Anonymous Jud June 11, 2016 12:29 PM  

Sometimes full retard is bettah.

Blogger Sean Carnegie June 11, 2016 12:33 PM  

Have you see Ace of Spades' sidebar going full moron on "cuckservative" and who uses it, etc.? No wonder it's such an effective word.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 11, 2016 12:37 PM  

"What would it take for you to move back to America?"

Don't forget the list of requirements for the possible summoning of the Supreme Dark Lord to a science fiction convention.

Anonymous Godfrey June 11, 2016 1:04 PM  

Trump wants a rational controlled immigration process... and he's considered a racist.

The Neo-Conservatives bomb, blockade, starve & and wage wars & proxy wars against brown people in the Middle-East for OVER A QUARTER OF A CENTURY resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands and the dislocation of millions... and they're considered moderates.

FU Romney. You and your father are trash.

Anonymous dissidentright June 11, 2016 1:06 PM  

It's not fair, but "pro-white" is bad rhetoric. Ethnomasochism is real. Reframe in terms of "Americans" (proxy for whites) and let everyone know we don't care about their name calling.

Like abortion. Always reframe in terms of murder. Then casual wonder, "hum, why do we let murders vote?" "Is a murder really competent to run her own life?" Etc.

Blogger Robert Coble June 11, 2016 1:07 PM  

"cuntenvelope" - How about an alternative?

CAN'TALOUPE: a melon head, full of squishiness denoting virtue signaling intentions

Anonymous mature-Craig June 11, 2016 1:14 PM  

see, in my view, while I do like some elements of this alt-right, my strategy would be to try to cultivate a super-republican emergence with the GOP that pulls the party right and pulls the democrats right, and better yet converts all dems to repub, afterall historically it was the democratic party that had the biggest racists

Anonymous Wyrd June 11, 2016 1:17 PM  

see, in my view, while I do like some elements of this alt-right, my strategy would be to try to cultivate a super-republican emergence with the GOP that pulls the party right and pulls the democrats right, and better yet converts all dems to repub, afterall historically it was the democratic party that had the biggest racists

I see the part you have for Santa Claus, but where does the Easter Bunny fit in?

Anonymous Bukulu June 11, 2016 1:39 PM  

James Dixon @ 18,

You are the master of ironic facetiousness!

Anonymous Bukulu June 11, 2016 1:48 PM  

BGKB @ 37,

You misread Dixon... he's not talking about LCN in the US, he's talking about the famous regard for the letter of the law that Italians exhibit in their own country.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 11, 2016 1:58 PM  

Ultimately, it all comes down to "Free" Trade. Very powerful and influential people made an enormous amount of money dispossessing the White and Black working classes in. Now that money's running out as the working classes don't work much any more. They tried to extract even more money with the real estate balloon, but that popped. they're trying again, but this time they're bringing in millions of foreigners to drive the cost of housing up.

Literally, that's the play. They're trying to drive the price of real estate up so they can continue to get rich with their 30% skim.

If "Free" Trade is curtailed, the working classes might have stable jobs, stable families, stable homes and stable communities.

We Can't Have That, now can we? Where's the profit?

Anonymous Godfrey June 11, 2016 2:02 PM  

@63

And we certainly can't allow them the ability to accumulate capital. That would be a threat to the rigged system.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 11, 2016 2:03 PM  

King is an wealthy old man in one of the Whitest if not Whitest states in the US. Make him live as a working class guy in Southern California and he'll change his tune.

Or he is an idiot Liberal and will never learn anything, in any case he is no consequence.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 11, 2016 2:37 PM  

"I think that he's sort of the last stand of a sort of American male who feels like women have gotten out of their place..."

Another one projecting his own stuff onto Trump. I saw an interview with Trump from something like 1988 where he was asked about the presidency and he said "If the right man or woman were to be elected..." He's been hiring and promoting women all along. But because he's had three hot wives and owned beauty contests, he must be a pig who wants to drag women back to 1950. (I want to do that, but there's no evidence Trump does.)

Anonymous mature-Craig June 11, 2016 3:03 PM  

I see the part you have for Santa Claus, but where does the Easter Bunny fit in?
it can be done, it would require large numbers of people cooperating and no infighting, magical fairies helping it along wouldn't hurt I guess

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean June 11, 2016 3:58 PM  

I just don't get the point of being "Alt Right" as opposed to pro-White.

The Alt-Right is pro all races.

Anonymous DissidentRight June 11, 2016 4:07 PM  

@63 Ultimately, it all comes down to "Free" Trade.

Free Trade is proof that some initiation of force is good and necessary.

Blogger Rusty Fife June 11, 2016 4:14 PM  

#8601 Jean Valjean wrote:I just don't get the point of being "Alt Right" as opposed to pro-White.

The Alt-Right is pro all races.


Excellent answer.

Blogger Blastman June 11, 2016 4:25 PM  

it also should be kept in mind that many recent "conservative" policies, such as the adoption of free trade, "real" equality, and propositional America, have proved to be destructive nonsense.


In the early 1990's, it was the leftist-socialist Democrats who supported and pushed free trade. Clinton and Al Gore were politicking support for free trade agreements like NAFTA …

Al Gore vs Ross Perot youtube …

The year NAFTA was ratified, America had a $1 billion trade surplus with Mexico. By 1995, America had a $16 billion trade deficit with Mexico. Today, America's trade deficit with Mexico is $74 billion. The facts in the chart make President Clinton, Vice President Gore and all the newspaper editors who wrote editorials supporting NAFTA look like complete idiots or worse.

… President Bill Clinton also made similar claims about free trade with Communist China when he signed a free trade agreement with that country in 1999.


Anonymous mature craig June 11, 2016 5:38 PM  

Wanted to apologize to the Gop they are the guardians of civilation i should help them

Anonymous Rocket Raccoon June 11, 2016 5:57 PM  

Wanted to apologize to the Gop they are the guardians of civilation i should help them

Get the flark out of here!

Anonymous andon June 11, 2016 6:01 PM  

#8601 Jean Valjean June 11, 2016 3:58 PM
I just don't get the point of being "Alt Right" as opposed to pro-White.

The Alt-Right is pro all races.


doesn't make any sense. I don't want to waste my time carrying water for all these other groups and pretend they're doing the same for me. that's how we got here in the first place.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 11, 2016 6:18 PM  

Andon, it's the difference between the first two views below. The first one, which I've called the La Raza view, is what people hear when you say "pro-White," like it or not. The second doesn't start you in that rhetorical hole, and it also has the advantage of being true for most of us. The third is the one that got us here.

La Raza: I want to subjugate/absorb/destroy all other races so my race can flourish.

Alt-Right: I want my race to flourish, and I wish other races well as long as they don't interfere.

Cuckservative: I want all races to rise or fall equally, and I'm willing to see my race handcuffed and bled if necessary to make that happen.

Blogger Neanderserk June 11, 2016 6:34 PM  

"The Alt-Right is pro all races."

Pro monoethnic nationalism is pro white because whites will win the competition.

Anonymous andon June 11, 2016 6:36 PM  

@Cail - I think it should be:

I want my race to flourish and I wish Asians well and all the others I don't care of they fall off the planet.

Anonymous mature craig June 11, 2016 7:19 PM  

Oh c mon u gotta have fun on the internet. Ready for this one GOP to Trump: "Oh baby you, you got what I need..." Biz Markee

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 11, 2016 7:41 PM  

My alt-Right?
"Don't make me come over there."

Anonymous Trump's Hellhounds June 11, 2016 7:43 PM  

Someone is telling the truth:

Crooked Hillary would be a fucking disaster.

Blogger Jack Ward June 11, 2016 7:51 PM  

@39 Jim
Hear you. I don't listen to Limbaugh much anymore unless I know Steyn is subbing. Or, I get lucky. Love to listen to the guy. And, not just because of, as he puts it, his ridiculous accent. Though, that is fun too. I wish Limbaugh would retire and turn it all over to Mark.

Anonymous andon June 11, 2016 7:54 PM  

Neanderserk June 11, 2016 6:34 PM
"The Alt-Right is pro all races."

Pro monoethnic nationalism is pro white because whites will win the competition.


I don't want to "win" because its not or at least it shouldn't be a competition. I just want the trash and parasites away from me. IF they mestizos and blacks and mooslims are so fantastic they should be able to prove it on their own.

Anonymous George of the Jungle June 11, 2016 8:31 PM  

Conservatives are the court jester in the Kingdom of the Left.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 11, 2016 8:33 PM  

@andon, I think your version is fine. The main thing is not starting with a term that makes people instantly think "white-supremacist" and guys in white sheets before you can get your next word out.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean June 11, 2016 8:38 PM  

@72 Andon - doesn't make any sense. I don't want to waste my time carrying water for all these other groups and pretend they're doing the same for me.

Neither do I. Being "pro all races" means supporting every race/nation's right to exist, in their own lands!

Anonymous LastRedoubt June 11, 2016 9:14 PM  

@James

Vox obeys all gun laws in whatever area he may be in. Just as all Italians do.

Dammit - that needed a warning. I read that just before taking a drink

Blogger Nigel McPhearson June 11, 2016 9:46 PM  

This morning I took that comment about not conserving women's bathrooms over to the national review comments. Triggered the hell out of them. I can't believe those people are "the right"

Blogger tz June 11, 2016 10:04 PM  

Meanwhile Capt. Underoos manages to become both more ridiculous and irrelevant simultaneously.

Anonymous andon June 11, 2016 10:08 PM  

#8601 Jean Valjean June 11, 2016 8:38 PM
@72 Andon - doesn't make any sense. I don't want to waste my time carrying water for all these other groups and pretend they're doing the same for me.

Neither do I. Being "pro all races" means supporting every race/nation's right to exist, in their own lands!


I think you're going too far though. I don't need to support other races'/nations' right to exist because I don't hear any of them doing the same for me. I rather just mind my own business and don't waste my time on them.

Anonymous Avalanche June 11, 2016 10:21 PM  

My White-Right friend writes:

Cuckservatives are always defending and "conserving" the left's agenda of
10 years ago.

"Gutting the military", however, cannot be laid to their account.

The military is bloated beyond reason.

The cuckservatives have created their own welfare constituency and called
it "national defense."

Our spending on the military almost equals all other nations on earth put
together.

Anonymous Wyrd June 11, 2016 10:26 PM  

Biz Markee

And a very big bra!

Anonymous Avalanche June 11, 2016 10:55 PM  

@39 I describe Rush Limbaugh (and all his ilk) as 'pressure relief valves' for the barely awakening. The sleepers, the propagandized, have begun to see the truth, and then these radio/TV sellouts rant a bit and subtly (or not) change the direction of the awareness and allow the sleeper to feel as if "someone is doing something 'cause Rush said so!" And so the folks beginning to awaken are soothed back to sleep.

I believe Rush and his ilk are MORE dangerous, MORE of sell-out traitors than the damned lefties!

Blogger WerePuppy June 11, 2016 11:19 PM  

@84 Nigel McPhearson

This morning I took that comment about not conserving women's bathrooms over to the national review comments. Triggered the hell out of them. I can't believe those people are "the right"
---

That's a little surprising. I thought they would give it at least a year or so to start championing Tranny rights :P

Blogger Neanderserk June 11, 2016 11:20 PM  

"I don't want to "win" because its not or at least it shouldn't be a competition. "

Human landrace competition is zero sum.
http://www.aoi.com.au/bcw/Human/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 12, 2016 12:00 AM  

Neanderserk wrote:"I don't want to "win" because its not or at least it shouldn't be a competition. "

No, it's a race war.

Human landrace competition is zero sum.
"Zero Sum" means you either win or lose. Unilaterally refusing to play means you don't win.

Blogger bob k. mando June 12, 2016 2:19 AM  

91. Neanderserk June 11, 2016 11:20 PM
Human landrace competition is zero sum.



uh, that's because the amount of arable land on the planet is pretty much a fixed area which hasn't changed appreciably in historical times.

ie - it actually is a zero sum game ( unlike the book "Zero Sum Society" which described an economic system in which there is supposedly never any net growth ).

your preference that it not be zero sum leaves only two options:
1 - you lose
2 - you find a way to "create" new land. best get on those Martian colonies and terraforming

Blogger Sagramore June 12, 2016 5:37 AM  

@26 They are too fucking proud of their minor little status markers like a college degree and the enlightened opinions that go with them.

Yes, the one I am thinking of used to crow on about her Dyke U degree like Al Bundy's football achievements. Congratulations, you learned to use the library. Now why are you voting for that coke dealer?

Blogger Sagramore June 12, 2016 5:43 AM  

Forgot to mention the whole lumber mart in my own eye thing. I was a champagne socialist about 12 years ago, with more emphasis on the champagne part. Dragged left because of war and such, and a charismatic leader whose cause of death (and what may have AIDed it) is still a big secret. There was a whole case of hide-and-seek with the NDP's statement on membership in SI in the constitution, but I think it was removed recently. Alas, Angry Tom Mulcair (who is nominally a Quebec Liberal like myself) is out and Cheri DiNovo (a rather colourful socialist) is running for leader. There is a union carpenter from Winnipeg named Pat Martin who I hope runs.

Blogger Neanderserk June 12, 2016 7:14 AM  

Andon is the one who wrote, "I don't want to "win" because its not or at least it shouldn't be a competition", not me. I disagreed with him.

God regularly revokes the right of races and nations to exist. Preaching the gospel and genocide go together like shriving and execution.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra June 12, 2016 11:08 AM  

21 I love my dad so much I could not dare bring up that statement - I hate what was done to our fathers, our mothers, our blood in that our generation (x) was so marred, it drove us out of churches, employment, countries, I mean, who can operate here? Self employment is possible..not stateside or its complex. The children now older adults/gexers have been through hell over people who didn't want our families to have anything. Some were able to leave, some of us can't leave its too late or I dont know.

My commentary below which was deleted would be utterly against the rules of the blog. All I will disclose is that destroying innocent fathers, innocent mothers of baby boomer orientation or phenomena is utterly cruel and so darker than dark, its vampiric...

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 12:11 PM  

21. Anonymous Cinco June 11, 2016 7:49 AM

America watched the collapse of the U.S.S.R and pushed the Russian Bear out into the cold.


I don't think that's the case. iirc there were aid packages sent to Russia to help them past the rough times, which weren't enough of course but in any case the U.S. did more for them than they would have done for us. Besides, Russia has great natural resources and shouldn't need help from anyone.

Blogger bob k. mando June 12, 2016 12:37 PM  

98. andon June 12, 2016 12:11 PM
I don't think that's the case. iirc there were aid packages



uh, you might want to take a closer look at the "aid" we sent over there. amongst which were many globalist bankers, who helped to create the Oligarch class.

not that i'm saying the Oligarchs would be non-existent without the international bankers ( the Nomenklatura were certainly going to have some say in carrying their oppression and class forward ).

also, sending grain aid is hardly selfless on our part. that's a good way of bleeding down the huge stockpiles of grain that the West normally carries in the first place.

Blogger residentMoron June 12, 2016 2:02 PM  

@98 In the 80's, western agronomists calculated that the USSR needed to farm 2% of its arable land to feed its own population. The rest could be exported, given to comrades in Africa, whatever. They still couldn't do it.

It has long been observed that socialism is an attempt to justify christian ethics without resort to (a) God. It just doesn't work. When you look at the records of the two ideas, even though they often advocate for the same goals, there's simply no competition. Even as a rabid humanist, purely in terms of taking steps towards the things they say are important to them, they'd be obliged to become advocates for Christianity.

(Of course they're not going to do that, most of them, and so ... )

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 2:03 PM  

@ Bob Mando - what is it, we're supposed to be the welfare king of the world? they have plenty of natural resources and they were behind North Vietnam, South Africa, Zimbabwe and how many other "revolutions" in africa and south America so i don't feel sorry one bit

Anonymous Rhetoric Man June 12, 2016 3:15 PM  

Cail, this is absolutely amusing to me...

1--"La Raza: I want to subjugate/absorb/destroy all other races so my race can flourish."

2--"Alt-Right: I want my race to flourish, and I wish other races well as long as they don't interfere."

3--"Cuckservative: I want all races to rise or fall equally, and I'm willing to see my race handcuffed and bled if necessary to make that happen."


1--Right, because all or most American citizens who are blacks, Hispanics, and/or Asians ultimately feel this way. What evidence are you able to muster that, on a widespread, public basis, that these groups individually seek to "subjugate/absorb/destroy"?

2--Must all Alt-Righters abide by this standard, or are they able to decide for themselves what is their racial policy? What happens when members of the Alt-Right seek to destroy other races? Will there be consequences for "breaking this code of honor?" By whom? How? If not, why?

3--This group is in essence moderates. Remember, America historically leans center-right. Must every single white person openly declare their allegiance to the "white tribe"? Do they not have any liberty to decide for themselves their own racial policies? Why should this group be forced by Alt-Right elites to abide by this definition, lest they be labeled by those same elites as "cuckservatives"?

In the end, it doesn't matter, for religion trumps race. Is not the human race more important in God's eyes?

Two Roman Catholics, one white and one Hispanic, or two Baptists, one white and one black, are bound together by faith, by the law of God. He will judge accordingly.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 12, 2016 4:09 PM  

You know, @Rhetoric, your constant virtue signalling is getting tiresome.

1) the avowed goal of La Raza, the largest Hispanic political organization in the country. "Por la Raza, todo, afuera la Raza, nada."
"For those of The Race, everything, for those outside The Race, nothing."
Compare: "Deutschland uber Alles"

Yes, the declared objective of La Raza is ethnic cleansing of Blacks and Whites from California, Arizona and New Mexico. They've already accomplished the ethnic cleansing of many Californian towns, such as Compton.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 4:58 PM  

Rhetoric Man June 12, 2016 3:15 PM

In the end, it doesn't matter, for religion trumps race. Is not the human race more important in God's eyes?

Two Roman Catholics, one white and one Hispanic, or two Baptists, one white and one black, are bound together by faith, by the law of God. He will judge accordingly.


nah, this is fantasy. religion is declining in importance in most parts of the world. What matters is culture, behavior, traits, crime, etc - these are race and IQ based. I don't give a dmn if someone is a "christian" if they commit violent crime at 7x the rate

Anonymous Rhetoric Man June 12, 2016 6:17 PM  

andon...

"nah, this is fantasy. religion is declining in importance in most parts of the world."

You do realize that the bulk of the posters here are Christian, right? And that the Alt Right is dedicated to ensuring that proper Christian values will be entrenched after the race wars.

Are you Christian?

"I don't give a dmn if someone is a "christian" if they commit violent crime at 7x the rate."

Criminals are usually not practicing Christians. But whites and non-whites who do not engage in criminal activity yet adhere to the principles of the Bible are joined at the hip.

Do you read the Bible?

snidely...

"Yes, the declared objective of La Raza is ethnic cleansing of Blacks and Whites from California, Arizona and New Mexico. They've already accomplished the ethnic cleansing of many Californian towns, such as Compton."

You have a girlish manner of understanding terms.

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous. The forces applied may be various forms of forced migration (deportation, population transfer), intimidation, as well as mass murder and genocidal rape. Ethnic cleansing is usually accompanied with the efforts to remove physical and cultural evidence of the targeted group in the territory through the destruction of homes, social centers, farms, and infrastructure, and by the desecration of monuments, cemeteries, and places of worship.

I'm sure you have numerous examples of Hispanics who have "ethnically cleansed" Compton which meet the criteria I specified...

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 7:05 PM  

Rhetoric Man June 12, 2016 6:17 PM
andon...

"nah, this is fantasy. religion is declining in importance in most parts of the world."

You do realize that the bulk of the posters here are Christian, right?


so? this site represents only a small subset of the world

And that the Alt Right is dedicated to ensuring that proper Christian values will be entrenched after the race wars. ?

im not sure that's the case. I think they are mostly just nationalists but I could be wrong.


Are you Christian?

was raised but not any more. I went thru Catholic grade school and high school - 12 years. But does it matter?

"I don't give a dmn if someone is a "christian" if they commit violent crime at 7x the rate."

Criminals are usually not practicing Christians.?


how will you tell them apart?

But whites and non-whites who do not engage in criminal activity yet adhere to the principles of the Bible are joined at the hip.

not in my experience. for example the black church that got shot up recently - what % non blacks do you guess attend? and why would they call it a "black church"

Do you read the Bible?

no, but again, does it matter?

im interested in Freedom, and having a globalist govt dictating how I will live is the furthest I can imagine from being free. The current occupant as well as the EU and UN already fancy themselves out of reach of the people. What do you think will happen when a global govt takes power?

Anonymous Rhetoric Man June 13, 2016 12:06 AM  

"so? this site represents only a small subset of the world."

But the bulwark that only Western Civilization and Christianity matters. Why are you not on board?

"im not sure that's the case. I think they are mostly just nationalists but I could be wrong."

Did you not realize that you must pick your tribe, that being white?

"was raised but not any more. I went thru Catholic grade school and high school - 12 years. But does it matter?"

Yes, it matters to neoreactionaries and white nationalists.

"how will you tell them apart?"

Well, for starters, black criminals are in jail, not church.

"not in my experience. for example the black church that got shot up recently - what % non blacks do you guess attend? and why would they call it a "black church"

There are black churches for Christians who live in a black neighborhood.
There are white churches for Christians who live in a white neighborhood.
Regardless, they are Christian, with God their savior. He doesn't care about their race, just their belief in Him.

"no, but again, does it matter?"

Yes, it matters to neoreactionaries and white nationalists.

"What do you think will happen when a global govt takes power?"

It's not, unless it's God coming down from the Heavens to judge. Best get in line. Will you be saved?

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 13, 2016 1:22 AM  

Rhetoric Man wrote:for starters, black criminals are in jail
No they're not.  That's the problem.

Anonymous andon June 13, 2016 7:12 PM  

Rhetoric Man June 13, 2016 12:06 AM
"so? this site represents only a small subset of the world."

But the bulwark that only Western Civilization and Christianity matters. Why are you not on board?


im not on board with Christianity because I believe in Freedom first and foremost, but I see that Christianity seems to have been an integral part in Western Civilization.....and Christians, like Mormons and a few other religious groups are good to live around, if they allow you.


Did you not realize that you must pick your tribe, that being white?

im not sure what this means. I didn't pick my skin color.



Well, for starters, black criminals are in jail, not church.

no, black criminals are everywhere, as are brown.


Regardless, they are Christian, with God their savior. He doesn't care about their race, just their belief in Him.

I try to open my eyes. we're not living in the fifties any more and these aren't the same blacks and browns that we used to deal with. Asians still seem decent for now.


Yes, it matters to neoreactionaries and white nationalists.

if they wont have me i'll prob rather live in the wilderness anyway. maybe somewhere in Russia - perhaps Siberia or Kamchatka

"What do you think will happen when a global govt takes power?"

It's not, unless it's God coming down from the Heavens to judge.


have you been paying attn? they've been warning you that global gov't is coming. Kerry advised college students to prepare for a world without borders.

Will you be saved?

probly not :)

Blogger dfordoom June 13, 2016 7:45 PM  

@ Rhetoric Man

Did you not realize that you must pick your tribe, that being white?

My problem with that is that the white tribe includes white liberals, white LGBTQWERTY activists, white feminists and white neocons. It also includes white Kumbaya Christians. These are the people who have chosen, quite deliberately, to destroy western civilisation. I feel no solidarity whatsoever with such people.

The problems that western civilisation and the white tribe face have been created almost entirely by white people. Blacks and browns and Asians didn't invent socialism, feminism, democracy, LGBT "rights" or identity politics or any of the other evils currently threatening the very existence of civilisation. Whites invented those things.

For me at least beliefs and values trump race.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 14, 2016 10:44 AM  

dfordoom wrote:For me at least beliefs and values trump race.
You don't choose which tribe (if any) lets you in; they do.

Blogger dfordoom June 14, 2016 11:27 PM  

@ Mr. Rational

You don't choose which tribe (if any) lets you in; they do.

I'm just saying I don't intend to lift a finger to defend white liberals, white LGBT activists, white envirofascists, white feminists, white neocons or any of the other assorted white people who have led us to the brink of civilisational disaster. I don't give a damn if they're fellow whites or not - they're deadly enemies of civilisation and if they get squashed I'll enjoy watching it happen.

These white traitors are the existential threat that western civilisation faces.

Islam by comparison is a very minor threat. There wouldn't be any threat at all from Islam had it not been for the efforts of the neocons. It's the neocons who need to be deported.

Anonymous andon June 15, 2016 4:26 PM  

dfordoom June 13, 2016 7:45 PM

The problems that western civilisation and the white tribe face have been created almost entirely by white people. Blacks and browns and Asians didn't invent socialism, feminism, democracy, LGBT "rights" or identity politics or any of the other evils currently threatening the very existence of civilisation. Whites invented those things.

For me at least beliefs and values trump race.


have you ever heard blacks or browns advocating for Freedom in the last 20-30 years? not me

I do hear occasional Asians who has come here from China screaming for it though

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 16, 2016 1:19 PM  

dfordoom wrote:I'm just saying I don't intend to lift a finger to defend white liberals, white LGBT activists, white envirofascists, white feminists, white neocons or any of the other assorted white people who have led us to the brink of civilisational disaster.
They're only an ideological threat, and can be forced to stop spreading their memetic poison even more easily than they were persuaded to start.  Third-worlders are a genetic threat.  No matter what ideas or creeds they espouse, they are not us.

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