Article 50
A number of people have been asking what comes next. Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is the guide.
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
The EU has no legal mechanism for deny withdrawal to any Member State. This does not mean they won't try to do so, but it does mean they cannot do so in a legal manner. I expect they'll simply try to draw it out, as the EU President has already suggested.
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
The EU has no legal mechanism for deny withdrawal to any Member State. This does not mean they won't try to do so, but it does mean they cannot do so in a legal manner. I expect they'll simply try to draw it out, as the EU President has already suggested.
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On the domestic front, the next step for Britain is obvious to anybody who knows the anthem's infamous alternate verse.
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King.
Next up: Give Ireland back to the Irish.
The main reason for leaving was immigration which is an illegitimate reason. Well, it's 'legitimate' if you're nativist. Otherwise it seems kind of an arbitrary designation given extreme significance, and paying a very steep price for the right. Have you read much about the days when it seemed very legit to impose controls on Catholics, or Jews, or Welsh, or Scots, or the Irish? Why were those wrong, or weren't they?
NAFTA - from Hadrian's Wall to Trump's Wall.
Draw out the process to keep British Pounds flowing into the EU coffers...
Brexit should be rather simple: negotiate a trade deal with EU, there are several mechanisms including the EFTA. Of course the EU may be in the mood to make unreasonable demands on everything from fisheries to agricultural subsidies.... UK must be willing to keep saying NO.
The market overreaction is preposterous. Of course the market bubble before the vote was preposterous.
@3
The main reason to leave was that the sovereign so ordained over the British Isles asked them to leave as was made clear in the UK Sun earlier this week, as the EU had insulted the dignity and rejected the authority of the queen's own courts.
Now the UK may enjoy the freedoms of proper rule that Jersey and Guernsey have gotten along with great the last many years.
@1
You're not allowed to win the thread so fast!
Let them try and draw it out. Drawing it out means more Muslims on the continent. It means increasing numbers of Dutch, Austrians, Poles, Czechs calling for their own referendum. It means trying to keep in England by delay while wooing Turkey.
It's like the global ruling class is committed to seeing their entire number nailed to lampposts and then have their carcasses dragged through the streets by a cheering mob.
Jon Errol
The main reason for leaving was immigration which is an illegitimate reason.
What's illegitimate about such concerns?
@3... back to Huffington Post for you. Economically a social democracy cannot afford to let everyone into the country and put them on the dole. Socially, a country is more cohesive if made of a single nation.
The Scots want independence but the non-Scots among them prevented it. Sad
Any other misunderstandings?
Brexit & Trump remain signals that a change of mind spreads, a reversal of the manic trust, manic embrace of unlimited resources and other mass-minded idiocy that characterized the period from 1964 onward.
We've seen the apogee of that old trend. It culminated in political embrace of societal, cultural and civilizational suicide.
The changes have only begun. The key change we await is the collapse in mindless trust in the ocean of IOU-DOLLARS issued, which is the engine of globalist power and political system enslavement of citizens.
Politicians must be stripped of the power to spend without direct taxation. Gut this and the corruption of globalist money is destroyed.
Jon Errol don't be a cuck!
@Jon Errol, a few centuries ago men were cut down in public for answering wrong to the question of who they supported, the Crown or Parliament.
I sincerely look forward to the same, when the question is, in what country do you want to live, the one your grandparents made of the one being imported from distant & alien lands on the backs of migrants?
I will happily cut down those who insist my descendants live in a North America run like Mexico, Honduras or an Islamic Republic.
How about you?
Jon Errol wrote:Have you read much about the days when it seemed very legit to impose controls on Catholics, or Jews, or Welsh, or Scots, or the Irish? Why were those wrong, or weren't they?
They weren't. Any reason, up to and including "we don't like them," is a good enough reason to keep people out of your country. Hell, "we don't like them" is a better reason than most.
@Jon Errol,
I have no quarrel with invaders; they can go home in peace.
This is my home; me & my descendants have no other. My quarrel is with my NEIGHBORS who enable the overrunning of my home by people with neither the desire for nor the ability to maintain the conditions I love.
Do you really want to be on the other side of that divide? I am very certain I want to be on mine...
Have you read much about the days when it seemed very legit to impose controls on Catholics, or Jews, or Welsh, or Scots, or the Irish?
You're joking, yes?
It's very, very obvious that English identity and its future security depends on accepting Scottish independence as a separate people.
And it's very, very obvious that despite what I was taught, there were (((very good reasons))) for Spain's followup to the Reconquista.
I wish the best for Jews, Scots, and any other number of people. But I wish the best for them someplace else.
Welfare states & open borders are incompatible. "Democracy" in any form is incompatible with open borders.
This should be self evident to anyone with an IQ above 85.
@15 Alexander
I wish the best for Jews, Scots, and any other number of people. But I wish the best for them someplace else.
#Brexit is good for the Jews . . . they just don't know it yet.
3. Anonymous Jon Errol June 24, 2016 11:23 AM
The main reason for leaving was immigration which is an illegitimate reason. Well, it's 'legitimate' if you're nativist. Otherwise it seems kind of an arbitrary designation given extreme significance, and paying a very steep price for the right. Have you read much about the days when it seemed very legit to impose controls on Catholics, or Jews, or Welsh, or Scots, or the Irish? Why were those wrong, or weren't they?
Go Cuck yourself.
Rabbi B wrote:@15 Alexander
I wish the best for Jews, Scots, and any other number of people. But I wish the best for them someplace else.
#Brexit is good for the Jews . . . they just don't know it yet.
It's good for Israel...Britain no longer has an EU say in their security.
Now I'm curious how feverishly the EU masters are working on crafting that anti-referendum treaty.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/23/lawyer-ban-referendums-save-eu/
It's just one lawyer's opinion before the vote...but I'm sure some minds above are listening.
We need a solution to the Scottish Problem.
Another round of Clearances, perhaps?
We all know what the problem with Scotland is . . .
@7 exactly, losing Britain while trying to incorporate ever-more-Islamic Turkey is one way to play “drag it out”, but Grexit might result.
The preference cascade in Britain that led to Brexit might not stop at the Channel. It might wash over into, say, Netherlands.
It’s like when the Berlin Wall started collapsing, suddenly all sorts of impossible things suddenly became possible.
To fulfill a successful exit, the Brexit crowd still has a lot of work ahead of them. But at least now they've acquired the public mantle of moral authority to help surmount all the crap the globalists will inevitably throw at them.
@3 Jon Errol...
You can set up strawmen and knock them down all day long if you like, but don't expect any of us here to help you by pointing out the specific masturbatory fantasies of your abject excuse for thinking.
Thank you!
I was able to link back to here, Nigel, ZeroHedge and of course Stefan for those here who are on edge with markets, the ending of the EU has been a great, great thing, let the JpMorgansBankofAMERICa, GoldmanSachs cry, let the currency collapse, from that very short, very limited shortage, great things will rise from that. But locals are worried and I mass emailed where to read and where to go for the superior clarity here.
Stefan Mol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCLsKQcTNA
Mike Cern is denouncing lies and promoting logic and truth: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-is-the-worlds-first-mindset-president/
and: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/06/22/media-hoaxer-michelle-fields-ruined-her-life-cant-sell-books/
I hope Vox and Stefan can discuss rhetoric versus dialectic, Stefan is impressive in philosophy, it would be a good talk. The comments from the latest Stefan And Vox talk requested Vox appears monthly or more often with Stefan to cover important matters.
The people of Britain shouldn't wait for Article 50 to start flaunting EU rules and regulations... Just do it, and do it now.
And if England and Wales simply stop sending money and start ignoring the EU? Are they going to send troops?
I hope Vox and Stefan can discuss rhetoric versus dialectic
yes, agree with that
Jon Errol wrote:The main reason for leaving was immigration which is an illegitimate reason.
Why is it illegitimate? What is wrong with wanting to preserve your nation and traditional way of life? Why do you want to kill off the English?
Well, it's 'legitimate' if you're nativist.
Yep. What's wrong with that? If the Igbo get to live their own loves in Igboland, why to the English not get o live their own lives in England?
Otherwise it seems kind of an arbitrary designation given extreme significance, and paying a very steep price for the right.
Do tell. What steep price will the right have to pay? It can't be as high as the price England has already paid.
Have you read much about the days when it seemed very legit to impose controls on Catholics, or Jews, or Welsh, or Scots, or the Irish? Why were those wrong, or weren't they?
Ireland for the Irish. Scotland for the Scottish. Wales for the Welsh.
England for the English.
Did England have the right to ship a couple million Scots to Ireland to displace the Irish? How has that worked out for either side?
Finally, how many people will end up DEAD because you don't want to be called a bigot?
'Go cuck yourself'
Very useful reply.
Accurate, yet polite too.
Jon Errol wrote:The main reason for leaving was immigration which is an illegitimate reason. Well, it's 'legitimate' if you're nativist. Otherwise it seems kind of an arbitrary designation given extreme significance, and paying a very steep price for the right.
Ask the native Americans why the native Europeans should be worried about being rendered a minority in their own homelands. Ask what price they wouldn't be willing to pay if they could turn back time, end the tribal in-fighting, and unite to keep the aliens out.
Any native that isn't a nativist should get out of the way, and let the rest defend their patrimony for their posterity, lest they mark themselves as a domestic enemy.
I wish the British good hunting in their endeavors.
Smith at "Musings from the Chiefio" has fun using maps of trade flows to show that the EU appears to be a "German Trade Promotion Authority" more than anything else.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/brexit-cant-sell-to-eu-lie/
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Rabbi B wrote:We all know what the problem with #Scotland# is . . .
There I fixed it for you. Those damn #Campbells# and #MacDonalds# control the media and will try to hide the truth...
LOL Scalzi and Charles Stross have already declared Britain dead after less than 24 hours.
I just can't get over the lack of future time orientation among rabbits. I remember when Obamacare passed and we weren't all eating out of dumpsters within the first week. Leftists came out of the woodwork everywhere saying "SEE SHITLORDS YOU WERE WRONG, THE ACA DIDN'T HURT ARE ECONOMY WHATSOEVER!!1!!1
Yeah well...give it time.
Here's Nigel Frage's first speech to European Parliament as a member of MEP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqm0mVDrQSk
Quite prescience isn't it.
Martin Schulze the predisent of the EU parliament said he wants the UK to leave asap. He and other EU leaders have always regarded the UK as an obstacle of their goal to create a political union.
Of course the United States of Europe is an utopia and trying to achieve it will only lead to desaster.
Snidely Whiplash wrote:And if England and Wales simply stop sending money and start ignoring the EU? Are they going to send troops?
That is, of course, one of the fundamental differences between Brexit and Londinsurrection: setting aside the differing legality, Britain has an army that is presumably capable of conquering a London in revolt, and it wouldn't have to cross the Channel to get there.
I would actually kind of like to see that. It would be interesting to get hard numbers on just how many illegal weapons a typical Muslim neighborhood actually has, instead of just rumors, and that would be the perfect justification for a very thorough house-to-mosque search.
My feeling is that the EU will do whatever it can to punish England - so it can say to its members "See what happens when you leave the nest?", thus ensuring the continuance of their power.
Friendly reminder that the British don't have Fourth Amendment rights. Use that to your advantage, Brits, to confiscate (((guns))) and certain (((books))), THEN adopt your own 4th Amendment for posterity's sake.
Albania shall live again.
A cultural analysis of the Brexit vote versus American and British history (long and involved, but detailed) - For Queen and Country and Anglospheric Culture
Presented for the interest of the forum readers. Please let me know if this is considered hijacking the thread. Still getting a feel for the etiquette around here.
how long before the moslems start rioting because they will have to leave?
"Any reason, up to and including "we don't like them," is a good enough reason to keep people out of your country. Hell, "we don't like them" is a better reason than most."
They're not who we are.
When they advance to the level of western civilization then, and only then, should western countries entertain allowing some of them in.
@36 nice find!
England should just declare the terms of their leaving; set a hard date; and then leave.
If the EU doesn't like it, they have the option to send in the EU army.
I suspect not a single EU member will be willing to engage in military action to prevent England from leaving, regardless of the terms.
There is no "EU Army"
That's on the planning books, but it's not there yet. For reasons of idiocy and historical ignorance, the Dutch have integrated a couple of units with the Wehrmacht, as have the French. For France, it's not a problem, they have a large nation and a large army, and co-ordination could provide benefits. For the Dutch to do this is bewildering.
We need a solution to the Scottish Problem.
Another round of Clearances, perhaps?
New Scotland already has enough lazy, entitled Scots sucking money out of the Federal government thank you.
"Well, it's 'legitimate' if you're nativist."
Whereas 'diversity' is legitimate if you're an imperial colonizer.
Is that what you're trying to tell us about yourself?
The SJWs are self deceivers. I strolled through DailyKos to gloat at their lamentations. Seems like Britain is going on the scrap heap now that they have turned their back on the vitality of diversity. And oh how the left wails. I would think they should be happy as this surely means more diversity for us.
In other news my mining and firearms stocks (non-diversified) are having a wonderful day of vitality.
I have a suspicion that "legality" means almost as much in the EUSSR as it does in the Banana Empire. Laws are enforced selectively - upon those of whom the ruling oligarchy does not approve. Don't get too uppity, YT. It's the era of Jim Snow over there just as it is over here. The vote to exit the EUSSR a superb first step make no mistake, but it is just the beginning.
Snidely Whiplash:
There is no "EU Army"
Not officially, but the de-facto EUSSR army = NATO (mainly Banana Empire, who retains bases in the UK okrug). If the vast necropoles of spectral electors vote 500% for Lizard Queen, with another 700% turnout from dindu-districts (whose massive and open vote-fraud is unchallenged under a 1983 consent-decreee never seriously challenged by the alleged "opposition" party), plus a few million illegal aliens voting likewise, it's entirely possible that she'll order the morons, cucks, illegal aliens and dindus in the Banana Empire's legions to strike Britain should they actually attempt to depart. I suspect a Trump administration would be happy to start dismantling such overseas imperial nonsense and let the Brits defend their own country.
The current head of the EU is reported by Breitbart to be simply wanting Britain gone now, and wants to invoke Article 50 immediately.
And the globalists are cringing. Cameron was one of their better leaders.
"There is no "EU Army""
Because Britain has been blocking it.
History is starting to rhyme.
So the European Union and even the Soviet Union recognized the right of secession. If there's no right to leave, you cannot be free.
@27 Snidely Whiplash
And if England and Wales simply stop sending money and start ignoring the EU? Are they going to send troops?
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Let us hope there is not some EU version of Abraham Lincoln...
Gen. Kong wrote:Not officially, but the de-facto EUSSR army = NATO (
America will not spend troops, time or money to attack England. Simply not going to happen. The public would not stand still for that one.
NATO is the US Army rental program.
There's no military over there to speak of anyway. After the cuts a couple years ago (and I assume there were more after) the UK admitted they were essentially combat irrelevant, having difficulty being able to field more than a brigade. Had you been able to look over the minutes of the NATO/ISAF meetings, all the NATO allies pissed and moaned about the costs of keeping a brigade in Afghanistan and/or Iraq - in fact the biggest supporters only had that many in country on a good day. The Canadians, Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Danes, all think they're doing something special when they have a 500 man force deployed with us, but mostly they just work out and eat our food. They may agree to form some kind of Euro Army on paper, but it would be a fantasy.
@Jon Errol, Ann Coulter offered to execute any moslem child rapist ""lawfully"" given the death penalty in the UK if there in no one man enough to do it, & I would gladly take care of other moslems ""Lawfully"" garroting them with a rainbow feather boa (with paracord strands)while wearing a luchador mask on live BBC if you have no men willing to get justice for Lee Rigby.
Otherwise it seems kind of an arbitrary designation given extreme significance, and paying a very steep price for the right.
Oy no more £2 blow jobs in the DIY store parking lot
And if England and Wales simply stop sending money and start ignoring the EU? Are they going to send troops?
Even worse they will unleash the kraken, I mean the Crackdidndu
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What a continued great day, the MSM has mentioned 5 times the banks are hurting! Today I took a nice bath in their tears, what a victory for the UK and a slap to the tyrannical face of the EU.
All the banks are weeping on their wailing walls, Ha!
@22 Bringing in Turkey will be like winding a lead chain around the throat of the EU...I expect most of Eastern Europe to exit if that happens....
@56: "America will not spend troops, time or money to attack England."
Never even occurred to me. I've been sitting here wondering if it will send troops to defend it.
Deja vu all over again.
@alexander. Stupidity should hurt and treason should hurt more. The EU tried to bribe a free people into accepting slavery. Their agents were our own elected representatives. If we dont make an example of them they will try again. That is why the leftists came back after we won the cold war. We assumed they would see the weakness of their philosophy and change, but instead they saw our weakness and revised their plans.
@jon errol. Please provide an example of a nation outside north america or europe that is NOT "nativist" - and call us racists if you want, we dont care.
Alexander:
It's like the global ruling class is committed to seeing their entire number nailed to lampposts and then have their carcasses dragged through the streets by a cheering mob.
… from your keyboard to Allah's ear. Can't happen soon enough. Nailing to lampposts is a complete waste of time though. Go for the old Roman method of impalement on a meat hook followed by a slow drag through the streets to allow the hoi-polloi show their affection… toss what's left into a cesspool when done.
pyrrhus wrote:@22 Bringing in Turkey will be like winding a lead chain around the throat of the EU...I expect most of Eastern Europe to exit if that happens....
I've been looking at Central Europe, and I'm not seeing a lot of awareness of this in the MSM. The Washington Post notices Hungary; Express adds Austria, Poland, and the Czech Republic; CNBC puts Poland at #5 and Hungary at #8; Business Insider only has Austria in the top ten; and so on. And even Express fails to subtract three from four and get Slovakia, let alone look at wider cooperation patterns and add Slovenia.
I think it's a combination of an over-reliance on polling, and an under-appreciation for how politics is downstream of culture. The public attitude can change on a dime as it pivots on a different axis than usual, and certain countries that identify more with Christendom have had a stronger reaction against the Muslim invasion.
My initial prediction is that I expect the Visigrad Group plus Slovenia to coordinate an exit if Turkey gets close to membership, and Serbia may withdraw its application. (Macedonia is probably a lost cause at a third Muslim.)
That is not a complete list. For example, Austria is also a good bet, but I'm not as interested in the major countries that I expect to be relatively well-analyzed by others. (Acknowledging that may be a flawed assumption.) I'd rather do some more research on the ones that are less prominent in American consciousness, and expand (or contract) my prediction on the cognitive fringes.
@62
I have already pulled my garand and M1941 pack from the closet and I am ready to defend our british brothers, fight off the jerries and engage with a bit of british crumpet .... :)
Do we really thing there would be any type of combat here .. ? Thats silly, wishful thinking... all parties are part NATO.. and all are adults...
"The EU has no legal mechanism for deny withdrawal to any Member State. "
There isn't a legal mechanism in the US Constitution either but that didn't stop Lincoln.
Hey baby, there's no easy way out... but I got one right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeNA4R3Xh9E
Coming down is the hardest thing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p_f7Df2-oM
The stars have aligned... I'm talkin the sharp dressed man...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAOKwD0gabU
Long as I remember the rain been commin down... who'll stop the rain?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSXn0zFYeYg
things have changed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnuSaKVvUgE
I don't forget...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APfLNbdao4
I walk around... I watch... I need a friend at the end...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPU8OAjjS4k
You don't learn everything at school...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_GeYgT58d0
Get your head straight...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3K8t6wKjdg
Tempest in a teapot... there's no England anymore... their castles are burned...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLhNxzwK1Y&list=PLUH5E3WdmglT1zNpnU5uUWdK0mAzSw4FC
There is no place I want to be...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpQ4c3b_RJ8
The woke up one morning....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHK9vj0VE7w
Slip inside this house... you are seeds you sewn... live where your heart can be given... and receive... shadows transpires... uh.. and more...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwSA0Tckwbk
Yeah shit happens... but buck up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtHXVDszzic
Hey, youre just a thought...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qInF7WKOz4c
Semi-related: the 2nd Law of SJW Dynamics in action. Obama doubles down on the "back of the bus" (my words) economic threat to Britain.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-usa-trade-idUSKCN0ZA3LM
that, and the fact that their political philosophy insists that they must kill us.
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at the very least muslim immigrants should be required to swear on the koran that they wont try to kill us.
The wailing and tears of SJWs and gamma males on facebook is intense. The moral posturing is coming in thick as is end of the world panicking as they try to figure out which way the herd is going.
A number of SJWs saying this is all the result of illogical people rejecting their intellectualism, blah blah blah.
The gamma males are truely pathetic. One girl I knew from about 6 years ago has the same orbiting gammas from then now begging her to migrate to their country because "its cool and progressive here and we can hang out".
If Trump wins we all might need to quickly move to higher ground to avoid the flood of salty tears.
I'm not the biggest fan of the EU, and i was happy with Brexit - But for the love of God - The Russian federation has a better shot at getting into the EU than Turkey - Its a complete fucking joke in terms of arguments.
Do you people not know that Turkey currently occupies parts of Cyprus? - Cyprus and Greece, will both Veto Turkey ascension to the EU 'til kingdom come.
Including the entire eastern bloc, France, Germany is not keen either...
GFR posted: at the very least muslim immigrants should be required to swear on the koran that they wont try to kill us.
That won't guarantee anything.
http://www.clarionproject.org/understanding-islamism/taqqiya-tactic-lying-concealment#
Turkey will join the EU as soon as Merkin decides it's in the interests of whatever the hell her philosophy is. Or immediate political concerns over immigration require it. It's already in the process of happening. That's how the EU works. The EU owns Greece lock, stock and barrel - want to eat? then STFU Greece. Eatern Europe will be told to STFU and just keep taking the money...maybe they'll be allowed to control their immigration for the time being, as long as it's on the quiet.
When a previous country joined, the UK made a statement that it's veto should not be used in such matters. Having made that statement, set that precedent, do you see Dave using the veto? I don't.
73. Desillusionerad
These are exactly the kind of nationalist sentiments that the EU makes redundant and why it must be abolished.
Turkey will enter EU as soon as they can get away with it - the EU is a cancer that cannot stop expanding - to the collectivist mindset 10 million more Dindus are as good as 10 million civilized men because they don't value the difference between them (ie civilisation)
Maybe send the Border Reivers back to the Border, that way Ireland can be peaceful. The Irish really do not want them.
Desillusionerad wrote:I'm not the biggest fan of the EU, and i was happy with Brexit - But for the love of God - The Russian federation has a better shot at getting into the EU than Turkey - Its a complete fucking joke in terms of arguments.
EU membership, 90-day EU-wide travel visas, whatever. You're missing the Muslim horde forest for the legal status tree.
St Swithun wrote:The EU owns Greece lock, stock and barrel - want to eat? then STFU Greece. Eatern Europe will be told to STFU and just keep taking the money...maybe they'll be allowed to control their immigration for the time being, as long as it's on the quiet.
I'm inclined to agree with you about Greece, but playing devil's advocate, there's a musical argument to be made for Grexit.
As for Central/Eastern Europe: a trend is only a good predictor until it ends, and it's easy to mistake the measurement for the reality. People really value a lot of things that are literally priceless, such as Home and Nation. No amount of money is worth trading them away, since it can't be used to buy them back.
Are there any requirements that the exit terms have to be fair? For example, if Britain currently pays the EU (X) billion pounds a year, could the EU draw up a contract which allows Britain to leave only if they pay (X*3) billion pounds per year for some period? Some price so onerously high it becomes more sensible to stay?
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