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Wednesday, June 08, 2016

Blinded by the white

Walter Hudson explains how you can understand the very-bad, very-evil, and let us not forget, RACIST Alt-Right on PJ Media:
In some ways, the civil rights era of the 1960s ended in tragedy. Important strides were made toward empowering minorities with equal political rights and moving the American culture toward greater alignment with its founding values. But there was a dark side. Communist agitators infiltrated the movement and perverted it from one pursuing equality to one seeking to undermine American institutions. Today's Democratic Party would be unrecognizable to the likes of JFK or LBJ.

In a similar way, the alt-right has begun the process of corrupting and fundamentally transforming the Republican Party. They have leveraged both the aggression of the racialized left and a widespread dissatisfaction with the political establishment to embed themselves parasitically within the party. It is as Michael van der Galien describes:

    ... These people have nothing to do with conservatism. More precisely, they represent the complete opposite: conservatism is focused on individuals; they are focused on groups or, as they call them, tribes. They're collectivists, and racist collectivists at that.

Similarly, the communist agitators of the 1960s had nothing to do with liberalism, as anyone familiar with the classical variety knows.

In summary, we're dealing with an amorphous and decentralized movement of white racialists who have taken on a benign-sounding new name in an effort to market themselves as somehow respectable. They have infiltrated the Republican Party under the cover of anti-incumbency and conservative frustration with the status quo. They cloak their overtly racist ideas in high-sounding language referencing "the American way" or "American culture" -- which really just means the white race. Whether Donald Trump has conscientiously appealed to them or not, his candidacy is viewed as a beacon signaling that they may creep from the shadows and stake a claim in the mainstream.

This is a vile movement that must be recognized, removed from the Republican Party through some form of biopsy, and cast back into the dustbin of history from which it escaped. The actual American way requires it.
It's not a terrible comparison, but he makes two very serious mistakes. First, the Alt-Right is not parasitical upon the Republican Party. We are not part of the Republican Party and we have not infiltrated it.

We are, rather, replacing the Republican Party in much the same way the Republican Party replaced the Whigs. We have nothing to do with what they call conservatism. We are not conservatives. We do not value much of what they value and we do not wish to conserve whatever it is that they think they are conserving.

Unlike Mr. Hudson, the Alt-Right knows its American history. The American way is white. The American culture is white. I am only part-American, and I can conclusively say that American (white) culture is different than American Indian (red) culture and Mexican (brown) culture,  the other two cultures to which I have, in part, inherited.

Second, the Alt-Right is nationalist, it is not merely a white identity movement. We support free association for all nationalities and we oppose the propositionalists of every stripe, whether they are (((melting potists))), (((huddled massers))), born American elsewhereans, or Ein Welt, Eine Rasse, Eine Regierung globalists.

In any event, it is encouraging that PJ Media is so concerned about the Alt-Right. It means that they know people are fleeing cuckservatism and becoming more and more conscious of the signal importance of identity in the current year.

This comment was amusing:
3 ways to understand cuckservatives:

1) We're not racists.
2) Please don't call me racist.
3) Take my money, take my country but please stop calling me a racist!

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152 Comments:

Anonymous BGKB June 08, 2016 11:36 AM  

Shitavious Cook can go to the bathroom with my daughter, just please stop calling me a trannyphobe

Blogger Gaiseric June 08, 2016 11:43 AM  

Bronson is pwning the comments with one great meme after another.

Anonymous Patron June 08, 2016 11:46 AM  

"We do not value much of what they value and we do not wish to conserve whatever it is that they think they are conserving."

Haven't you spoken of conserving the US Constitution before? I ask, because many in the Republican Party *say* they are conserving it (or trying to). Obviously they may not be doing so very effectively (hah!), but ideals like the US Constitution or (*within* a nation at least) laissez-faire policies etc is something I think both the alt-right and the traditional / conservative right can both get behind to a large extent.

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus June 08, 2016 11:50 AM  

So the radical left are the real racists, and conservatives are the only ones loyal to the founding principles of the real radical left, and anybody who wants to conserve anything isn't a real conservative.

I don't think I've ever seen that moronic style of argument taken that far down the Retard Hole.

These guys were always pathetic, but they're really taking it into warp drive now.

OpenID paworldandtimes June 08, 2016 11:57 AM  

As a commenter at CH put it: "Identify politics is all fun and games until White folks start playing it."

PA

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 08, 2016 11:59 AM  

A good deal of the motivation behind globalism was European and Anglosphere reaction towards WWI and WWII.

Eliminate nationalism, create a single culture (necessarily shallow) and seek to eliminate any meaningful differences between peoples (which is why history is presented as a parade of atrocities) and war will be eliminated is the thinking.

However, most of the rest of the world has not signed on. Does anyone believe that China is going to consent to its own dissolution?

Blogger Rabbi B June 08, 2016 12:02 PM  

Recently discovered Twitter. Cathy Young accused me of being an "alt-right troll" for merely suggesting that (((we))) may want to look in our own (((backyards))) when it comes to anti-semitism.

#dontquestionthenarrative

Blogger Noah B June 08, 2016 12:03 PM  

Killing the Tea Party and its polite requests to give our country back gave rise to the AltRight and concentration-camp-like enclosure of its victims in punctuation marks.

Have they given any consider to what happens if they are successful in killing the AltRight?

Anonymous Hoppes #9 June 08, 2016 12:09 PM  

Perhaps we can come up with a Foxworthy-esque routine –

You might be a Cuckservative if your #1 fear is being called a racist.

You might be a Cuckservative if you think supporting amnesty will bring flocks of new citizens into the Republican party.

Blogger lowercaseb June 08, 2016 12:10 PM  

There is no "infiltration"...even before I accepted the hard truths, the one thing that I had to respect about that Alt Right was that they did not hide their beliefs, no matter how hard it was to swallow.

As someone who grew up in the seventies, it was a bitter, bitter pill to swallow. But medicine that saves your life does not taste good.

There is no Kool-Aid here...

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade June 08, 2016 12:14 PM  

It sure is funny how those who keep telling us how insignificant, small minded and irrelevant we are spend so much time talking about us.

Anonymous Big Bill June 08, 2016 12:14 PM  

What did the neo-cucks think we would do? Walk quietly (in gut ordnung) into the furnace of oblivion? They remind me of the many, many gutless Jewish accomodationists in 1930s Germany, apologizing for having corrupt ways and being luftmenschen, groveling and begging to be left alone while kneeling and tugging their forelocks.

We, on the other hand, like young Zionists of the 30s, are not afraid to face the future.

Anonymous Faffy June 08, 2016 12:16 PM  

I'll give my country to Mexicans.
I'll give my job to Asians.
I'll give my daughter to blacks.
I'll give my son's life to Israel.
But I'll NOT be called a racist. This is where I draw the line!

*gets called a racist anyway*
*cries like a baby*

Blogger RobertT June 08, 2016 12:18 PM  

" ...conservatism is focused on individuals; they are focused on groups or, as they call them, tribes."

This looks like a good place to mention that country, nation, et al are group concepts.

OpenID frankluke June 08, 2016 12:22 PM  

I was thinking why the alt-right freaks out so many Christians I know but doesn't phase me one bit. Today, I put my finger on at least part of it.

I spend more time reading the Old Testament than most people I know. The OT is about the forming of the nation out of a people and then protecting that nation from all enemies both foreign and domestic. There are rules about who can come in and how and what they have to do (first and foremost forsake all idols). But it is understood this will be a rare event. There's a reason Ruth is highlighted, not many do it.

I also read from the Apocrypha, which most protestants don't. First Maccabees records how the Greeks (specifically the Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV Epiphanes) tried to destroy the national distinctive of Judea by making them Greeks. They brought in Greek culture, learning, arts, sports. The gymnasium (where men exercised in the nude) was a particularly problematic intrusion. However, many Jews were okay with this and some even collaborated.

A faithful few stood up and said, "we are Jews, not Greeks! How dare you sacrifice a pig on the altar!" They also recognized they needed to stop letting the other side set the rules of combat. In one massacre, over 1,000 faithful men, women, and children were killed because they refused to defend themselves on the Sabbath. The other units learned from that mistake. If attacked on the Sabbath, they fought back.

The Maccabees made mistakes later, but they brought the nation back to varying levels of autonomy for the last time.

What would alt-right theology look like? It would look like a well-done OT Theology. And that scares the pee out of modern sensibilities.

Blogger Noah B June 08, 2016 12:22 PM  

@Big Bill

What did the neo-cucks think we would do? Walk quietly (in gut ordnung) into the furnace of oblivion?

That's exactly what they thought we would do, because that is what they are doing themselves.

Anonymous BGKB June 08, 2016 12:27 PM  

"alt-right troll" for merely suggesting that (((we))) may want to look in our own (((backyards))) when it comes to anti-semitism.

911 didn't kill enough people to make a gay not want moslems to leach more off his paycheck than Latrina's 21 crackbabies already are. Give us your beheaders, your rapists, your ZIKA ANCHOR babies yearning for millions of taxpayer dollars worth of lifetime healthcare.

You might be a Cuckservative if you would rather your daughter be raped why providing charity handouts in Haiti than be called a racist.

What did the neo-cucks think we would do? Walk quietly (in gut ordnung) into the furnace of oblivion?

"But we passed the rule by committee at 5pm on a Friday, you have to do it."

Anonymous TS June 08, 2016 12:36 PM  

Ha, saw what you did there Vox. Is that a reference to that 70's song?

Anonymous Roundtine June 08, 2016 12:36 PM  

They don't know how to deal with the idea that the Rights of Englishmen are not universal values and tend to be highly correlated with Northern European lineage or multi-generation assimilation in America. One can arrive at "tribalism" by demanding people adhere to individualism. You could arrive at that simply by noting that people are tribal and therefore individualism increases with homogeneity of other factors. (Humans will always sort.) It's total cognitive dissonance for the cuckservative because racist.

Anonymous old man in a villa June 08, 2016 12:40 PM  

Conservatives have conserved exactly nothing in the past 50 years. Calling someone a "conservative" is similar to calling someone who accidentally sets their kitchen on fire trying to microwave Jiffy Pop a genius.

Beliefs and opinions can change on a whim. Race is for life. If you base the concept of your nation on something that is so malleable as to never have a solid footing from moment to moment, who would want to live there?

They are losing what little credibility they had and firmly entrenching themselves in the camp of their enemy.

Anonymous Scintan June 08, 2016 12:40 PM  

moving the American culture toward greater alignment with its founding values

Does anyone have a printout of the official list of founding values?

Blogger Alexander June 08, 2016 12:47 PM  

Yes. A country "for ourselves and our progeny."

That's a value that will make us great again.

Blogger Tom June 08, 2016 12:49 PM  

@8

"You're a CUCK if..." would be a great Foxworthy style meme.

For example, you could put that picture of David French with "You're a CUCK if" on top and then, "You adopt somebody else's kid just to avoid being called racist."

I think the possibilities might be endless.

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 08, 2016 12:49 PM  

Conservatism ISN'T based on individualism. True conservatism is based on respect for lineage and traditions..it is, by its very nature entwined with identity and tribe.

The reduction of "conservatism' to induhhvidualism and capitalism is one of the reasons we lost the culture war.

Anonymous Broken Arrow June 08, 2016 12:52 PM  

If Conservatives want support they actually need to conserve things.

Where are the "10 Things Conservatism Has Conserved Over 50 Years" articles? I never see them, they can't even get to 5. 3? 2?

Blogger rumpole5 June 08, 2016 12:52 PM  

I very much like your point that the alt right is also focused on preserving the integrity of other nations. This takes considerable wind out of the "racist!" sail that the lefties constantly hoist to try and rhetorically pull ahead in their otherwise threadbare vessel.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 08, 2016 12:54 PM  

Hudson never opposed identity politics, ever, but now he is taking a stand against a racial group that by all means just must die, who thinks him a good man?

Damn I have to come up with some rhetoric I can jab him with ceaselessly till he breaks

Anonymous history June 08, 2016 12:59 PM  

The commies were using race as a wedge issue long before the 1960's. Frankly they are likely the source of that for liberals, not some jonnie come lately co-optor.

Of course, the democrats of their day lionized Stalin and Mussolini, so the very distinction between commies and democrats is a false one from the get go.

Blogger Student in Blue June 08, 2016 1:00 PM  

@8. Hoppes #9
Perhaps we can come up with a Foxworthy-esque routine
@22. Tom
"You're a CUCK if..." would be a great Foxworthy style meme.

Happened already, months ago. There was a video someone did where they did their best to imitate the voice too - not sure where it went.

Blogger J Van Stry June 08, 2016 1:03 PM  

I find it pretty damn funny that he's repeating the lie that Kennedy or LBJ were for equal rights.
They weren't.

I also find it funny that he's taking up the 'call them racist' tactic of the left.

Anonymous Joe Blowe June 08, 2016 1:05 PM  

"Communist agitators infiltrated the movement and perverted it"

Wrong, cucky. The so-called "Civil Rights Movement" has been a Communist subversion racket since before the NAACP was founded, funded, and lead by Jewish Bolsheviks in 1909. The crowning achievement of Civil Rights psy-op, accomplished by street violence organized by Mike King (his legal name) and incessant Corporate Media propaganda, was the prohibition of discrimination. The prohibition of discrimination has destroyed the standards of Western Civilization. The prohibition of discrimination should be repealed because it a.) enacted through fraud and b.) has proven to cause more damage than it is worth.

Anonymous andon June 08, 2016 1:06 PM  

17. Anonymous TS June 08, 2016 12:36 PM
Ha, saw what you did there Vox. Is that a reference to that 70's song?


yeah, I was gonna say that too. hints at my advanced age though

Anonymous Jeff Cucksworthy June 08, 2016 1:10 PM  

@28.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpkTWhhqnPM

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 08, 2016 1:13 PM  

Authorize muh respectabilitah!

Anonymous Eduardo June 08, 2016 1:13 PM  

@23
Dirty ninja

Actually the Right lost the war because it allowed the Left to fight a dirty war without ever attempting to return things to it's right place. So the dynamic is always, the left takes thing a step towards the left and the Right just stand in place, it conserves the situation and nothing else.

The Left entered the places that produced culture and used it to spread their version of the facts, mass media being so important is like our day Thermopylae, and the Right lost that position and lost the power to dictate facts. That is why the Right sucks, they are fighting a highly motivated and immoral enemy, and sticking to principles of peace-time during a never ending war-time.

Since people only learn Left-reasons for everything, the Left becomes the way everybody thinks about the world.

Conservatism was actually more about Christianity, and the old ways and traditions, traditional values. But maintaining tradition for people who would rather do some five knuckle shuffle as the prime of human existence is... Impossible.

The Alt-Right is a great enemy because it appeals to other animals instincts of ours, just like the Left. It may finally be a real symmetrical battle of sorts.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 08, 2016 1:16 PM  

Shit Cuckservatives Say via Le Chateau.

Anonymous Determinator June 08, 2016 1:17 PM  

"Conservatism ISN'T based on individualism"

You might new able to quibble about what it is based on, but it's indisputable that individualism is a fundamental requirement for any ideology that considers itself on the Right. Unless you've got some snowflake definition that we're not privy to.

Anonymous Hosswire June 08, 2016 1:18 PM  

I actually value many of the same things the Cuckservatives do, in theory.

But I pay attention to the world around me, in addition to cherishing my theoretical values.

So I see:

If one tribe gives up its tribal unity, and all the other tribes keep their tribal unity, the tribe that gave it up is going to be beaten. And the victorious tribes will not be respectful, merciful or grateful in their victory.

Also:

Only one group of humanity has shown a respect for individualism & freedom & human rights & the rest of the cluster of values we call Western. That group is European men, especially from Northwestern Europe. And when that group no longer controls a society, those values get tossed aside.

The bad news is that these common sense observations are crimethink today. The good news is that more & more people are making them anyway.


Anonymous FP June 08, 2016 1:18 PM  

Semi OT:

Steyn is guest hosting Limbaugh today, is ripping into NR and French right now, along the lack of trust of the establishment. French apparently spent his week contemplating his campaign at a Romney supporters Vermont farm.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 08, 2016 1:18 PM  

Eduardo, your English has improved by over 9000%.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 08, 2016 1:20 PM  

I know I'm off topic but that first sentence. I can't help myself but I have to assail the inferred praise of the civil rights movement. It's my duty. That nonsense played a HUGE role in destroying the Black community. It's hallmark strategy (or tactic?), integration, convinced Black people that leaving Black owned institutions based in the Black community in order to use the whites only toilet was a path to social empowerment. In the aftermath, Black owned businesses and institutions based in the Black community were completely decimated. And, of course, the current state of the Black community resulted, in large part, from this retarded set of tactics and strategies.

There used to be a professional Black baseball league with fantastic athletes. Black colleges used to have the best Black athletes. Black colleges now struggle to be financially and academically viable and the sports programs are a complete joke but hey, those bands look really good at halftime.

The success of Civil Rights is a myth unless success is measured by a Black person's proximity to someone who is not Black. Or their ability to leave their Black neighborhood in order to shop at the upscale mall.

So much more to say about this but I'll stop here. I had to rant about the praise of Civil Rights. That movement, along with LBJs Great Society, did so much damage to the Black community. Thanx MLK. Thanx NAACP. Thanx SCLC. Thanx Ralph Abernathy. Thanx WEB Du Bois.

Anonymous Deutsch June 08, 2016 1:23 PM  

or Ein Welt, Ein Rennen, Eine Regierung globalists.
Ich lachte.

Anonymous Eduardo June 08, 2016 1:24 PM  

Lol.

I still blame my typos on the iPhone, and my lack of linguistic skills on my laziness.

My laziness is... IT'S OVER 9000!

Blogger VD June 08, 2016 1:24 PM  

You might new able to quibble about what it is based on, but it's indisputable that individualism is a fundamental requirement for any ideology that considers itself on the Right

You don't know anything about the history of conservatism, from Burke to Kirk.

OpenID luciussomesuch June 08, 2016 1:26 PM  

"Today's Democratic Party would be unrecognizable to the likes of JFK or LBJ."

--Right. And homo "marriage" would be unrecognizable to that useful tool Loving.

Blogger FALPhil June 08, 2016 1:27 PM  

@14 frankluke
I also read from the Apocrypha, which most protestants don't.

There's a reason for that.

Blogger IrishFarmer June 08, 2016 1:27 PM  

I thought PJ Media folded/went under, in part because they were a less good version of the already outdated "conservatives". Guess they're still kicking.

Blogger Nationalist Flicka June 08, 2016 1:30 PM  

@35. I absolutely adore Chateau. He gives me hope men can be men.

Though sometimes I do get a little uncomfortable reading his words. (:

Blogger SciVo June 08, 2016 1:31 PM  

"They cloak their overtly racist ideas in high-sounding language referencing "the American way" or "American culture" -- which really just means the white race."

When I mean white, I say white. I'm willing to give Americanism a chance, but if he wants to skip straight from globalism to racialism, that's fine with me.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 08, 2016 1:33 PM  

The Civil Rights movement was never about expanding rights, it was only about crushing them. For Blacks as well as Whites.

Anonymous TLM June 08, 2016 1:35 PM  

@14.

I've never understood why so many Christians & churchians do not read, or are even familiar with the OT. I believe it is essential to fully grasping the enormity of what Christ did for us in the NT. Not to mention that there are some fascinating stories and histories in it. And I feel Josephus & Eusebius both are key to gaining even more insight into the OT/NT as well.

Everything you need to know about the 'conservatives' in the GOP is that in the 2000's they had the Presidency, House, & Senate and did absolutely nothing!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2016 1:35 PM  

Determinator wrote:individualism is a fundamental requirement for any ideology that considers itself on the Right.

But first you will provide a non-snowflake definition of "Right" that requires individualism.

Anonymous Case June 08, 2016 1:40 PM  

One of Patrick Buchannan's recent columns stated that 70% of Americans are now eligible for some sort of Affirmative Action. The next paragraph said that the percentage of white males in America now stands at 31%.

Reading stats like that should be enough to slap people into focus.

Blogger Ahazuerus June 08, 2016 1:46 PM  

Minor edit; rennen is German for a competitive race, as in footrace or motor racing. It has no racial connotations. The word I think you want is Volk.

Unless you were punning, because admittedly racial politics is getting to be a fairly competitive sport...

@TLM

The OT gives the principle, which is repeated in the NT, that "by the mouths of two witnesses the truth shall be established."

Orthodox Judaism rejects the NT and thus has only one witness. Many modern Christians, as you note, neglect the OT and thus damage their own faith by lacking two testimonies of the truth.

Like men standing on different legs, they may fall in opposite directions, but they WILL fall.

Anonymous Determinator June 08, 2016 1:49 PM  

"You don't know anything about the history of conservatism"

Perhaps I don't. I was speaking from my experiences, which I'll admit is a bit myopic. How about I shut up and learn something before I open my mouth.

Blogger SciVo June 08, 2016 1:54 PM  

Roundtine wrote:One can arrive at "tribalism" by demanding people adhere to individualism. You could arrive at that simply by noting that people are tribal and therefore individualism increases with homogeneity of other factors. (Humans will always sort.)

It used to be that a woman who liked to hunt and fish and dress her own kills was just the Annie on Squaw Hill, and she could do as she pleased as long as she didn't do it in the streets and scare the horses. Now xe's genderqueer, and we need to find out what xir pronouns are and if xir femme "roommate" is xir girlfriend, since we have bills to pay and xe might be in the market for roses to give.

I do not consider this "progress", and probably neither does the Annie on Strong Independent Native American Woman Hill.

Anonymous JAG June 08, 2016 1:59 PM  

I am so sick of this accusation of collectivism due to the the alt right becoming a coherent political group. How are supposed conservatives any different? By their logic they are collectivist as well rather than individualist because the are members of a group called the Republican Party.

Besides. The only reason we have come together as a force is precisely because the left and their enablers wouldn't leave us the fuck alone. We have no choice in the matter. If the boot of tyranny such as Obamacare's mandate wasn't on my neck I pretty much wouldn't give a shit about much of anything beyond my own life. Likewise mandating perverts in the showers and toilets with wives, daughters, and girlfriends at the point of a government gun.

The surest way to make us form a group to upset the establishment apple cart is via the establishment fucking with our lives too much to the negative. They have only themselves to blame for this.

Give us what we want, and we'll go away. What we want is simply to be left the fuck alone.

Anonymous 11B June 08, 2016 2:01 PM  

It is as Michael van der Galien describes...

I imagine the PJ Media crowd are among those who talk about our "Judeo-Christian" heritage. How do they feel about Van der Galien, the islamic convert? What is conservative from a Judeo-Christian point of view in becoming a muslim?

Blogger Alexander June 08, 2016 2:05 PM  

Cucks gonna cluck.

We don't care.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 08, 2016 2:06 PM  

I've never understood why so many Christians & churchians do not read, or are even familiar with the OT. I believe it is essential to fully grasping the enormity of what Christ did for us in the NT.

@49 TLM
I wouldn't say that. Anytime you run into a churchian family where all the kids have obscure Hebrew names, and insist the (((chosen))) are still the chosen, that's an indicator that they probably read the OT a LOT, and downplay the NT.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2016 2:06 PM  

11B wrote:How do they feel about Van der Galien, the islamic convert? What is conservative from a Judeo-Christian point of view in becoming a muslim?

Well, by refusing Christianity, becoming a Muslim perfectly comports with (((Judeo-Christian))) values. Especially since he's NOT A RAAAAACISS.

Blogger James Dixon June 08, 2016 2:07 PM  

> yeah, I was gonna say that too. hints at my advanced age though

Yes, but which version is he echoing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWVL4B-4pI or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjxbOe7p8C0

Blogger VFM #7634 June 08, 2016 2:08 PM  

You might new able to quibble about what it is based on, but it's indisputable that individualism is a fundamental requirement for any ideology that considers itself on the Right


Part of the problem with individualism is that one of its premises is to not give a shit about your nation or tribe because they're not individually you any more than darkie savages are.

Blogger The Original George...or OG June 08, 2016 2:13 PM  

It seems like years since I have lurked let alone commented on this hallowed Blogging ground. God's speed to the Ilk, Vox and Family.

I know it isn't original but I did not leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party left me. As a former official of the Republican Party, I witnessed first hand the conniving, anti-Christian behavior that permeated the Republican Party, led by a coalition of unprincipled Country Club "Republicans" now referred to as "Establishment". I am truly ashamed that I and Believing Boomers in the Party like myself simply sat and watched as the fires consuming the Republican Party (and nation) were lit and now burn out of control. I have since repented, gotten right and renewed my relationship with the Lord...but my sin is ever before me. Please forgive me and my fellow Boomers. We messed up and I am truly sorry.

- George S.

Blogger Ahazuerus June 08, 2016 2:19 PM  

@VFM#7634

TLM said nothing about downplaying the NT.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 08, 2016 2:26 PM  

@62, The Original George

You shouldn't feel so bad. People have done worse. In my college years up through the 1990s, I was a far Left Liberal who supported and actively promoted all the things that SJWs support and promote. At least you were devoted to a coherent set of principles.

Blogger Lovekraft June 08, 2016 2:39 PM  

Who is this Hudson guy and why should I care what he thinks? He throws around emotion-driven shaming language, thinking we care what this Starbuck's drinking pajama boy thinks.

Now, let's say he's the real deal, grew up in the hard life, knows how to give and take knocks. He doesn't care about money or fame, just in pounding out a good story. In this case, he deserves further scorn because instead of directing his energy at the force that spawned our anger, he's blaming those close to the frontlines. Traitor.

Blogger Lovekraft June 08, 2016 2:42 PM  

Skimmed through the latest Economist article. Main story was on rising censorship (mentioned Derbyshire and his race theories). It tried to soften the psychotic edge of the sjw/blm movement as being the right time for this change. Coddled the sjws.

Economist had a chance to call out the cultural marxists and Zuckerbergs and Sarkeesians and instead decided to play the coward.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 08, 2016 2:54 PM  

TLM said nothing about downplaying the NT.

@63 Ahazuerus
Non sequitur. I brought that up.

My point is: I really don't think downplaying the OT is a serious problem among the churchians, for the reasons I already gave.

For example, one major change in the Catholic Church post-Vatican II was removing a lot of readings from the NT (especially those that dealt with unpleasant subjects and hard truths) and replacing them with passages from the OT.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 08, 2016 2:55 PM  

The Catholic Church's services, rather.

OpenID frankluke June 08, 2016 3:05 PM  

@44

I never read it for doctrinal formation, but for literature and what was happening between the Testaments, it's a great source. As I said, First Maccabees shows how faithless Jewish collaborators attempted something like SJW convergence in Judea and how they lost.

People not learning from history is part of why we are where we are now. You can't learn from it unless you read it first. But if you'd prefer not to look like your reading Catholic books, Josephus is another good source for the Maccabean period.

Blogger Ahazuerus June 08, 2016 3:07 PM  

... and plainly you don't know what a non sequitur is, since your reply to TLM was one.

You gave no reasons for why you think downplaying the OT is not a serious problem, you simply added that you think downplaying the NT is a serious problem.

Blogger professorastro June 08, 2016 3:16 PM  

@65 Lovekraft

From Wikipedia: Walter Hudson (1944-1991)of Hempstead, New York was the sixth most obese human in medical history. He also holds the Guinness World Record for the largest waist. It measured 302 centimeters in 1987 when he was at his peak weight of 1,197 pounds.

Blogger Sheila4g June 08, 2016 3:20 PM  

@55 JAG: "I am so sick of this accusation of collectivism due to the the alt right becoming a coherent political group."

My 16 year old raised that same subject the other day, to put the whole issue in its proper context.

I explained to him the difference between concepts of community and collectivism, the theory of the "sea in which you swim" a la purported "radical Islamists" among purported "moderate Muslims,", etc. To midwits like Hudson, an individualist acknowledging his debt to the safety and structures and institutions his historic community created which enabled him to thrive individually is simply another version of the Abomination's "You didn't build that." The Alt-right is not fit for small minds.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 08, 2016 3:33 PM  

``The Alt-right is not fit for small minds.''

Unfortunately, half the minds are smaller than average. Could this be a problem?

Blogger Ceasar June 08, 2016 3:33 PM  

"... These people have nothing to do with conservatism. More precisely, they represent the complete opposite: conservatism is focused on individuals;"


Yes of course it was and that was indeed the problem. Republican leadership ONLY focused on individuals such as Denny Hastert, Baehner, Canter, Mcconnell, Ryan, Bush. So this focus on the benefit of particular individuals has been going on for quite a while coinciding with the need of these scumbags of throwing Republican allies under the bus. This fantasy that the Republican party put any effort into "Conserving" traditional culture (aka white culture) would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact that we know (and they know we know) they are lying.

I believe everyone should be able to defend themselves, their culture, their nation. EVERYONE includes me, a white male. If you believe otherwise then that makes you a racist or cuckservative. There are no other options.

Blogger John Wright June 08, 2016 3:42 PM  

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Blogger John Wright June 08, 2016 3:48 PM  

@34
"Actually the Right lost the war because it allowed the Left to fight a dirty war without ever attempting to return things to it's right place."

With respect, the Right lost the war because y'all caved on the contraception issue.

With contraception legal, marriage became a barrier rather than a bridge to copulation. Multiple sex partners in one lifetime became a norm, and the same social side effect caused by polygamy happened in the West.

Actually, it was worse in the West. Here, contraceptive culture became no-fault divorce culture became free love culture became abortion culture became sodomy culture became what we have now: our political leaders debating whether perverts can use the girl's room.

The psychological neurosis of raising two and three generations of women who have murdered their own unborn children has denatured the women. They hate femininity.

They do not want to be women, for to be a women means either to be a murderess of one's own infant, or to be an accessory.

So they want to be men, and they cannot be, and so instead they want the men to cease to be men.

Since reason, logic, philosophy and scholarship would otherwise reveal the evils being done, these things are banished from campuses, and from polite society.

Since God would condemn the practice, He too is banished from polite society, leaving an aching, sucking vacuum behind.

Since art, by portraying beauty, would betray the ugliness of modern life, modern art embraces ugliness, and banishes art.

Even innocent corners of pop culture, as video games or spaceship stories, since they are also art, and would also reveal a wee glimpse of truth about men and women, war and peace, life and death, these too must be gelded and broken to the saddle, and preach nothing but gray and putrid nihilism, perversion, and self-loathing.

But I submit that contraception is the pebble that started the avalanche. You can blame our friends the Anglican communion for that one: up until 1930, all Protestant denominations agreed with the Catholic Church’s teaching condemning contraception as sinful. At its 1930 Lambeth Conference, the Anglican church, swayed by growing social pressure, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Anglican church completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit.

The reason why, after my conversion, I became Catholic is that, back when I was an atheist, logic forced me (against my inclination) to conclude that contraception was the source of these many other modern ills: and no other denomination upheld the millennia ancient prohibition.

Blogger Al Goldstein June 08, 2016 3:55 PM  

Couldn't agree more. Individualism might be fine in a homogeneous society, but in a multicultural society its collective suicide.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker June 08, 2016 3:56 PM  

The Alt Right inherently wields fairness like a weapon. Because the American Left claims that its preferred groups deserve special acknowledgement/treatment for reasons of race, creed, culture, and gender, then the Alt Right, or anyone else, can do the same thing, for their preferred groups and organizing principles.

What goes around. Comes Around. Because fairness. Such are the wages of modern identity politics and the double standards that go with it.

Blogger SciVo June 08, 2016 3:57 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:``The Alt-right is not fit for small minds.''

Unfortunately, half the minds are smaller than average. Could this be a problem?


No, that's what rhetoric is for.

When you let a turd in the punchbowl, you can't just scoop out some punch from the other side; the whole thing is ruined.

When you let a third-worlder into a white neighborhood -- when you let a man from a low-trust culture where easy prey is fair game into a high-trust community -- you destroy a huge amount of social capital.

All of a sudden, none of the teen girls in the neighborhood can go to the swimming pool by themselves, just so that one individual can ejaculate inside of a vagina once or thrice before he's caught and jailed.

It isn't worth it. Not in any rational world. Not even in any emotional irrational world. It's just stupid.

Blogger John Wright June 08, 2016 4:00 PM  

I would say that conservatives (who are a different breed than the Republican establishment, thank you) are 'individualist' only in the limited sense that we hold each man standing before the civil magistrate or criminal law, or when called upon to serve the state, is to be rewarded or punished according to the merit of his own acts, not those of his family, clan, or ancestors.

The individualism of Libertarians and of the Left is a different matter: these amount to a dismissal of all but voluntary duties owed to others of our kith and kin. Leftist, indeed, recognize only an antagonistic relationship to the community, it is only to serve them, and never they it.

Blogger ray June 08, 2016 4:03 PM  

"In some ways, the civil rights era of the 1960s ended in tragedy. Important strides were made toward empowering minorities with equal political rights and moving the American culture toward greater alignment with its founding values"


Standard deceit by assumption. Writer attempts to co-op reader into accepting that the 'empowerment' of race/gender via 'civil rights' was a Great Stride Ahead for New America and the Coke-Cuck World.

This type of rhetorical deceit typically is associated with the left and its Politburo. I stop reading after the first paragraph b/c if the author cannot resist literary subterfuge via assumption, I cannot trust him/her to be honest in the balance of the argument.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 08, 2016 4:05 PM  

But I submit that contraception is the pebble that started the avalanche. You can blame our friends the Anglican communion for that one: up until 1930, all Protestant denominations agreed with the Catholic Church’s teaching condemning contraception as sinful. At its 1930 Lambeth Conference, the Anglican church, swayed by growing social pressure, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Anglican church completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit.

I'd say go back further to divorce.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 08, 2016 4:16 PM  

I consider the Alt-right An American Nationalist movement. Not White as such. A Frenchman, Englishman, or Russian might be White, but they would find a welcome only in proportion to their embrace of our American culture.

We tend to forget that many of our opponents consider their skin to be their uniform. And did so first.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 08, 2016 4:17 PM  

Ron Paul comes out solidly as a radical individualist cuck:

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/is-there-any-way-that-trump-can-win-my-support-no

Anonymous Icicle June 08, 2016 4:20 PM  

First line from the article:

Born to a black father and a white mother, I was raised first in the suburbs of Detroit and later in the Twin Cities metro.

tl;dr

Blogger John Wright June 08, 2016 4:35 PM  

"The Alt Right inherently wields fairness like a weapon. Because the American Left claims that its preferred groups deserve special acknowledgement/treatment for reasons of race, creed, culture, and gender, then the Alt Right, or anyone else, can do the same thing, for their preferred groups and organizing principles."

Hear, hear.

Weep, all you minorities who believed that King Stork loves you so. If you grant King Stork the power to grant you degrees, jobs, and success based on race, you likewise grant him the power to take your success away and give it to his new favorite.

Blogger SciVo June 08, 2016 4:45 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:I'd say go back further to divorce.

1643 is a bit far. I'd say 1920, women's suffrage.

But back to the point, as ancient illnesses are becoming untreatable again -- and some (such as herpes) were never blocked by condoms -- I expect that public opinion will turn around again. Sluts (of both sexes) are dirty.

It's literally reached the point where feminists are demanding STI acceptance, which is completely insane. Despite Western men buckling on every other point until now, I don't think they will cave to getting diseased.

Blogger Anchorman June 08, 2016 4:46 PM  

Ron Paul comes out solidly as a radical individualist cuck:

For Libertarians, there's only Libtertarianism.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 08, 2016 4:50 PM  

If the deck weren't entirely stacked against third parties, I suspect Trump would be running at the head of a new America First Party, or a National Party. But you can't do that in this country if you want to win, and Trump doesn't play unless he intends to win.

So he commandeered the GOP, which no one was using anyway. If he wins, he will have replaced its neocon/cuckservative ideology with something very different, and winning will make that permanent. So yes, it will have been effectively replaced, not infiltrated and fixed, though the name and the offices may look the same.

Anonymous Mike June 08, 2016 4:51 PM  

conservatism is focused on individuals; they are focused on groups or, as they call them, tribes.

Mr. Hudson got that exactly backwards. Edmund Burke famously wrote that conservatism is allegiance to one's own society, which he defined as a contract between the living, the dead, and future generations.

It's the left that claims the autonomous individual is the only authentic foundation of political rights. How autonomous? To the degree that only the individual can define his/her gender, rather than society. Cultural Marxists know that traditional society is the greatest roadblock to their agenda.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2016 4:57 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:So yes, it will have been effectively replaced, not infiltrated and fixed, though the name and the offices may look the same.

Deus (as JCW says) vult!
Unfortunately, the campaign has reached the point where Trump will have to start getting organizational and financial help from the GOP. Many of the stupider snobs have gone #NeverTrump, but the manipulators, the sinecures, the maneuverers, the trimmers are looking to how they can exploit the situation. And Trump will have to make deals with some of them to get elected.

So his freedom of action is limited. I hope he has enough sense and cunning to decapitate the monster, but even then, it may not be enough to convert the GOP to a beast of burden.

Anonymous TLM June 08, 2016 5:02 PM  

@58

Not sure how my comment in any way comes across as downplaying the NT? It seems you're painting me with a Judaizer's brush. If you knew me you'd find that to be as comical as I did.

Anonymous Stephen J. June 08, 2016 5:03 PM  

"Despite Western men buckling on every other point until now, I don't think they will cave to getting diseased."

They won't if (and this is the key point) they actually comprehend the real personal danger, which in our society may unfortunately require a burned hand or two.

Even once this sinks in, my guess is that such standards will be upheld, where they are, purely on a quiet personal basis; until the social cost of publicly criticizing promiscuity is removed, most people won't see enough benefit to doing that to be worth it.

And anybody who does dare to criticize promiscuity had better have an absolutely pristine personal life, because given the choice between attributing such motives to hypocrisy and attributing them to sad experience, most people will assume the former so they have an excuse to ignore it. (This is one way the Red Pill PUA/Game element of the alt-right may work against the movement: there is a lot of valuable human insight to be gained in the precepts of Game, but the way a lot of PUAs actually use it only reinforces the hedonism-above-all philosophy of the antinomian left.)

Blogger vtah June 08, 2016 5:06 PM  

1) We may or may not be racists.
2) Please do or don't call me racist.
3) Don't take my money, don't take my country but please feel free to continue calling me a racist!

Anonymous BGKB June 08, 2016 5:59 PM  

feminists are demanding STI acceptance, which is completely insane

From the article."Who is this “Sex Lady” who talks to 12-year-old boys about her herpes infection?"

There was a discussion over at gaypatriot that William F Cuckly might have been right about having HIV+ guys tattooed on the but as a warning. http://www.gaypatriot.net/2016/06/07/bizarro-president-him-make-good-sense-hello/

Blogger bob k. mando June 08, 2016 6:10 PM  

5. Ron Winkleheimer June 08, 2016 11:59 AM
A good deal of the motivation behind globalism was European and Anglosphere reaction to ...


the infiltration of Communist agents and propagandists.



6. Rabbi B June 08, 2016 12:02 PM
Cathy Young accused me of being an "alt-right troll" for merely suggesting that (((we))) may want to look in our own (((backyards))) when it comes to anti-semitism.


*blinks*

baw-hahahahahahahhahahahaha.

you're coming along nicely, Rabbi. we'll make you a member of the Drumpfenkopf SS yet.



20. Scintan June 08, 2016 12:40 PM
Does anyone have a printout of the official list of founding values?



pro-tip:
this list will contain precisely 0 of the Ten Theses of Communism.

unlike current American society which has implemented five of them.




45. IrishFarmer June 08, 2016 1:27 PM
I thought PJ Media folded/went under,



PJ tv went under. everything Whittle is doing is now over at BillWhittle.com, the problem being, he brought those two cucked clowns that he used to do the Trifecta thing over with him.

Bill is a little cucked. the other two are fully cucked ( cully fu ...? ) and not even worth listening too.



49. TLM June 08, 2016 1:35 PM
Everything you need to know about the 'conservatives' in the GOP is that in the 2000's they had the Presidency, House, & Senate and did absolutely nothing!



not true!

they spent even more money AND expanded socialist programs, great success in Kazakhstan!



53. Determinator June 08, 2016 1:49 PM
How about I shut up and learn something before I open my mouth.



as for instance, originally 'Right' referred to loyalist Monarchists and Aristocracy of the French Revolution. i'm not really sure how much they were concerned with "individualism".


Blogger praetorian June 08, 2016 6:31 PM  

Reved up like an oven cookin' cucks in the night...

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 08, 2016 6:36 PM  

John Wright wrote:@34

"Actually the Right lost the war because it allowed the Left to fight a dirty war without ever attempting to return things to it's right place."

With respect, the Right lost the war because y'all caved on the contraception issue.
.


Nah.

The US total fertility rate dropped below replacement during the great depression with birth control illegal most places, a much more religious population and a much more rural one. It was around 2 or so which is below the 2.5 or more or so needed with higher infant mortality rates. had the economy not improved the TFR would have stayed low as well

Japan too went from a high fertility to a very low fertility with no birth control other than condoms till around 1991 and even now such things are not common . Married people just don't have sex or at least reproductive sex.

The real threat is not the pill but television. Pretty much TV alone dropped predominately Catholic Brazil from crisis to below replacement European level in a few years

well maybe NetFlix now if the study listed here is true

http://www.dailywire.com/news/6399/not-getting-any-blame-netflix-pardes-seleh

I think as a convert you kind of suffered from the blindness many converts do, most people are not that religious and they don't take religion that seriously, not as seriously as you do.

Given a chance people happily take advantage of the fact live in a modern, urbanized, technological world with more opportunities to enjoy life, They can choose and while most people choose lazily , people are by nature lazy "wild" humans work what a few hours a week and spend the rest in recreation. Its what humans evolved to do.

As a species we've spent far more time, maybe a dozen times longer living this way as we did in any civilization

Truth is many people it actually is better to not have kids they don't want to care for, invest in the they do and enjoy all the wonders technology can bring.

And White people by an large do that, they have one or two kids and go enjoy modernity.

We could do with a few more people but the low fertility isn't the crisis, its the flow of non westerners . If the West had secure borders and no immigrants from outside, the issue would self correct as it always does.

Also greedy growth oriented businesses who want cheap labor and more customers Leftist who wants votes and cucked universalistic churches hungry for converts money and power have allowed the West to be overrun

Where this fails is when institutions , society and churches and such think they are entitled to the fruit of someones wombs and labors. They aren't.

This is not the feudal era or one of nearly as many reciprocal obligations nor do sons or daughters give status to anyone. They are something of a liability and that is a product of technology as much as society

Without such obligations people are obliged to themselves as they see fit, not others.

One point on which I agree though is feminism has had an impact on the birth rates. However short of an actual authoritarian society that actually forbids women from being employed, this is not going to change very much.

Blogger praetorian June 08, 2016 6:38 PM  

You might new able to quibble about what it is based on, but it's indisputable that individualism is a fundamental requirement for any ideology that considers itself on the Right.

The combination of certainty and being completely, clownishly incorrect.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2016 6:58 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:The US total fertility rate dropped below replacement during the great depression with birth control illegal most places, a much more religious population and a much more rural one. It was around 2 or so which is below the 2.5 or more or so needed with higher infant mortality rates. had the economy not improved the TFR would have stayed low as well

You mistake the assertion.
BC is not bad because it lowers the fertility rate.
BC is bad because it allows people the immediate benefit of pro-societal and pro-civlizational behavior, without requiring that behavior.

For men, equation has become "Why buy the cow when milk is free.
For women the equation has become "Why control my innate hypergamy when there's no penalty for promiscuity and adultery?"

So rather than settling down, forming a stable family and structuring their lives to raise children, so that they can have sex, people are instead just fucking. Families don't get formed, and the ones that do are unstable and prone to abandonment. Women are treated as mere disposable sex object, of no more concern than a particularly good blow-up doll. Men are treated as wallets to be emptied as quickly as possible when one is tired of them. Children are treated as a fashion statement or a consumer good, which one obtains to impress the ladies at church, but which are to be ignored and abandoned to the mercies of the institutions when one tires of them. The church itself is treated as a social club one joins to improve one's social standing and to collect a peer group.

This was all predicted by Paul VI in Humanae Vitae. Every single one of his predictions of the effects of birth control has come to pass.

Anonymous Jeb Bush June 08, 2016 7:00 PM  

Let's bring in more Somali Muslim streetboys, they seem like natural conservatives.

Anonymous German Pro June 08, 2016 7:01 PM  

Vox, hey Vox.
It's "Eine Welt, eine Rasse, eine Regierung." Rennen is the kind of race you run.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 08, 2016 7:16 PM  

The disgusting cucks are just like the left... when challenged about some new batch of tyrannical laws, they respond with rationalizations that prove they reflexively equate "law" with "morality".

Blogger EscapeVelocity June 08, 2016 7:32 PM  

Ive noticed that the Alt Right and Donald Trump supporters are dominating the PJMedia comment sections now.

Neo-cuckservatism is dead.

What a time to be alive!

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 08, 2016 7:47 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:A.B. Prosper wrote:The US total fertility rate dropped below replacement during the great depression with birth control illegal most places, a much more religious population and a much more rural one. It was around 2 or so which is below the 2.5 or more or so needed with higher infant mortality rates. had the economy not improved the TFR would have stayed low as well

You mistake the assertion. BC is not bad because it lowers the fertility rate.
BC is bad because it allows people the immediate benefit of pro-societal and pro-civlizational behavior, without requiring that behavior.

For men, equation has become "Why buy the cow when milk is free. For women the equation has become "Why control my innate hypergamy when there's no penalty for promiscuity and adultery?"

So rather than settling down, forming a stable family and structuring their lives to raise children, so that they can have sex, people are instead just fucking. Families don't get formed, and the ones that do are unstable and prone to abandonment. Women are treated as mere disposable sex object, of no more concern than a particularly good blow-up doll. Men are treated as wallets to be emptied as quickly as possible when one is tired of them. Children are treated as a fashion statement or a consumer good, which one obtains to impress the ladies at church, but which are to be ignored and abandoned to the mercies of the institutions when one tires of them. The church itself is treated as a social club one joins to improve one's social standing and to collect a peer group.

This was all predicted by Paul VI in Humanae Vitae. Every single one of his predictions of the effects of birth control has come to pass.


Ah I see where y'all are going with this. Makes sense.

I don't disagree with your premise but societies based on openness, personal freedom and technological progress are not going to choose religious austerity. These are two incompatible ideologies

On top of that while we dodged the proverbial bullet in the west with the Green Revolution, that was not inevitable. We do have a carrying capacity more so now that we are urban. In truth, the tech we use to feed so many has set us up for a mass famine. Birth control was a social necessity we would have had anyway. Maybe no pill but certainly condom, IUD and Diaphragm. This would have had the same effects only maybe less of them. I suppose we could have restricted such things to married couples but its not like condoms are high tech and we can't people off meth and heroin.

My guess is that people aren't as religious as you think , I doubt stayed they would have stayed religious, technology and knowledge can work with faith but mostly exposure to other ideas , erodes it.

Let me ask a last question, even if I could find a trad wife I could trust, what precisely do I need her for other than sex or children unless I am driven by a religious impulse?


I might not want children or be willing to bring them into what is certain to be a penurious future do to technology . And even sex is something apparently people seem to be doing fine without, lower T levels from modern lifestyles, a culture that doesn't mandate sex as manliness and of course porn.
I might get lonely at times, everyone does but the technology makes up for that to a high degree.

What we need is some way to make stable families beneficial for White people who are no longer default Christian in the West (its probably majority atheist or agnostic or otherwise) and that works with the current technology.

How would we do that?

Blogger James Dixon June 08, 2016 8:05 PM  

> In truth, the tech we use to feed so many has set us up for a mass famine.

Of course. Most people are blissfully ignorant of that fact though.

> My guess is that people aren't as religious as you think

While my guess is that they're more religious than you think. It looks like there's a fair amount of room between the two points however, so that wouldn't be hard.

> Let me ask a last question, even if I could find a trad wife I could trust, what precisely do I need her for other than sex or children unless I am driven by a religious impulse?

Trusted companionship. You might be surprised at how important that is to many people.

Vox has discussed this before though. His argument was that given the odds of the marriage not working out and the onerous costs if it doesn't, it really doesn't make sense for any non-religious person.

> How would we do that?

The oldest, most reliable way. You pay them to do it. Extreme tax breaks and even subsidies for having children.


Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2016 8:13 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:What we need is some way to make stable families beneficial for White people who are no longer default Christian in the West (its probably majority atheist or agnostic or otherwise) and that works with the current technology.

How would we do that?


You don't.

Western Civilization was built on the foundation of the Roman Law, through the medium of the Catholic Church. To abandon either one is to undermine the civilization itself. The only demonstrable alternatives to a religious society are worship of the state, as expressed in a Divine Ruler in the Roman or the NSDAP style, or a totalitarian Eastern bureaucratic nightmare, as the examples of the Russian, Ottoman and Chinese Empire.

I hate to break this to you, but history gives up exactly zero examples of a stable, free, open, innovative and non-religious society. A society that loses God either imports a foreign God, generates a false God, subsides in a horror of blood and savagery, or is forcibly displaced.

Anonymous redsash June 08, 2016 8:17 PM  

Mrs. redsash and I were laying in bed around 11:15 the other night listening to Gerry Rafferty's 'The Ark'. I said that for some reason that song makes every molecule of my celtic DNA vibrate. She said she was thinking the same things. We both are English-Scottish-Irish heritage, but I have some German/Russian thrown in.

Forty years married. It takes a lot of gumption to be married for 40 years. I thought early on I hope I have enough gump.

Come what may, there will be communities of folk like us in the South, Scotland, England, but I think more will be in Russia. The gulsi is so much like the Appalachian dulcimer.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 08, 2016 8:21 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> In truth, the tech we use to feed so many has set us up for a mass famine.

Of course. Most people are blissfully ignorant of that fact though.

> My guess is that people aren't as religious as you think

While my guess is that they're more religious than you think. It looks like there's a fair amount of room between the two points however, so that wouldn't be hard.

> Let me ask a last question, even if I could find a trad wife I could trust, what precisely do I need her for other than sex or children unless I am driven by a religious impulse?

Trusted companionship. You might be surprised at how important that is to many people.

Vox has discussed this before though. His argument was that given the odds of the marriage not working out and the onerous costs if it doesn't, it really doesn't make sense for any non-religious person.

> How would we do that?

The oldest, most reliable way. You pay them to do it. Extreme tax breaks and even subsidies for having children.



A sane society would be a civil defense society ,private arms victory gardens, food supplies and yes family planning for the poor . Our government hasn't trusted its people since the 1930's maybe earlier.

And while you may be right I'm not sold on the idea that people are very religious, White people in Europe went basically atheist in a few decades and its happening here too. This could be an issue with Christianity being replaced by its mutant strain the Cathedral or one of it being a bad fit, I do not know.

And as far as subsidies go. They don't work very well. Heck we already have them with the earned income tax credit and the child deduction right now. Some nations go for a direct handouts.

It doesn't work mainly because handouts are one time only and a child is at a minimum eighteen year of expenses

What would work though is finding some way to make sure people have steady well remunerated work with a high school diploma and that their wages won't be arbitraged down, If they can get a new job in a few weeks if they are unemployed the economic excuses will vanish

On top of that you need actual nationalism. If the Danes really are having a baby bump (and I've heard rumors the more nationalist Swedes and Germans are as well but its being suppressed by the media) it because of nationalism

This won't produce a huge baby boom mind you but could stabilize the population pretty well

So deportation, nationalism and economic nationalism seems to be the best road,

Anonymous andon June 08, 2016 8:31 PM  

101. Anonymous Jeb Bush June 08, 2016 7:00 PM

Let's bring in more Somali Muslim streetboys, they seem like natural conservatives.


Jeb, I thought you wanted more mestizos?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2016 8:48 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:And while you may be right I'm not sold on the idea that people are very religious, White people in Europe went basically atheist in a few decades and its happening here too. This could be an issue with Christianity being replaced by its mutant strain the Cathedral or one of it being a bad fit, I do not know.
I know it's a bit of a stretch for a basically areligious person, but that can change. It can change in an instant, or over a lifetime. Mexico went from a Pagan country to a Catholic country in a little over 2 years. America went from a perfunctory sort of Christianity to full-on religious revival over a period of 10 years in the 1820s.
It can happen the other way as well, as recent history shows. But depending on current trends to predict the future is a fools errand.

Blogger Mike Romkey June 08, 2016 8:50 PM  

When you're right, your right. Not to mention alt-right.

Anonymous redsash June 08, 2016 9:04 PM  

VD you're better at the statistics thing than me. Could I run this by you? Suppose we factored in (a) America's total sales, (b) America's health care cost for day to day maintenance (colds and flu and cuts and breaks), and (c) America's catastrophic health care costs (cancer, heart, lung, neurological). Would a 10 to 15 percent national sales tax cover the cost? It could be collected by already existing state revenue departments, administered by social security and consist of health care part A daily maintenance and part B catastrophic. To keep people from always rushing to the doctor there would be a provision that unused portions of Part A would be refunded to both the insured and Part B at year's end. Part B would be a general pool kept in a real lock box.

Also this would end Medicare, Medicaid, and the V.A. Patients would be free to choose doctors and facilities.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 08, 2016 9:26 PM  

...conservatism is focused on individuals; they are focused on groups or, as they call them, tribes. They're collectivists, and racist collectivists at that.

I'm all for treating everyone the same (from a legal perspective), but the "empowerment" of women and minorities has come at the expense of equality under the law, and it's past time we fought against it as a group.

And the fact that he stoops to name calling doesn't speak well of his confidence.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 08, 2016 9:35 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:A.B. Prosper wrote:And while you may be right I'm not sold on the idea that people are very religious, White people in Europe went basically atheist in a few decades and its happening here too. This could be an issue with Christianity being replaced by its mutant strain the Cathedral or one of it being a bad fit, I do not know.

I know it's a bit of a stretch for a basically areligious person, but that can change. It can change in an instant, or over a lifetime. Mexico went from a Pagan country to a Catholic country in a little over 2 years. America went from a perfunctory sort of Christianity to full-on religious revival over a period of 10 years in the 1820s.

It can happen the other way as well, as recent history shows. But depending on current trends to predict the future is a fools errand.


That seems perfectly reasonable to me . History is a funny thing. I think it unlikely but it would be hilarious if Volkish heathenism became default in Europe among the religious

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 08, 2016 9:48 PM  

The oldest, most reliable way. You pay them to do it. Extreme tax breaks and even subsidies for having children.

An even more reliable way would be to get rid of old age pensions and benefits. A big reason people traditionally had large families (other than cheap farm labor) was to make sure there would be someone to take care of them in old age. In the US it wasn't until the mid 20th century that people started to expect the elderly to make it on their own. That was a result of Social Security, not a cause.

The family is the basic unit of society. Even if it seems a bit unfair on its face, we should endeavor to weaken or even end programs that undermine dependencies and bonds within the family.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 08, 2016 9:48 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:A.B. Prosper wrote:What we need is some way to make stable families beneficial for White people who are no longer default Christian in the West (its probably majority atheist or agnostic or otherwise) and that works with the current technology.

How would we do that?


You don't.

Western Civilization was built on the foundation of the Roman Law, through the medium of the Catholic Church. To abandon either one is to undermine the civilization itself. The only demonstrable alternatives to a religious society are worship of the state, as expressed in a Divine Ruler in the Roman or the NSDAP style, or a totalitarian Eastern bureaucratic nightmare, as the examples of the Russian, Ottoman and Chinese Empire.

I hate to break this to you, but history gives up exactly zero examples of a stable, free, open, innovative and non-religious society. A society that loses God either imports a foreign God, generates a false God, subsides in a horror of blood and savagery, or is forcibly displaced.


I'm not certain about that, human nature hasn't changed to be sure but technology certainly has. You are probably right though.
Still for most of its history Europe was heathen or pagan and pre Christian Rome was a good. long lasting sophisticated civilization as was Greece . The pre Christian Scandinavian were highly innovative as well as were the Celts

This doesn't contradict you point though, all of those civilizations were pretty religious

In theory a White and Muslim Europe would do just as well.

However as we aren't yet close to a religious revival, we are going to have to find a way to cope till a new religious meme comes into play . The globalists have pushed Gaia as a meme, well green bullshit and fake ecology and it appeals to some, we Euro folk are a bit obsessed with trees at times but its not structured enough.

So maybe push nationalism and dare I say a bit of racism till a new faith finds its way or Christianity reboots


Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 08, 2016 10:01 PM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:The oldest, most reliable way. You pay them to do it. Extreme tax breaks and even subsidies for having children.

An even more reliable way would be to get rid of old age pensions and benefits. A big reason people traditionally had large families (other than cheap farm labor) was to make sure there would be someone to take care of them in old age. In the US it wasn't until the mid 20th century that people started to expect the elderly to make it on their own. That was a result of Social Security, not a cause.

The family is the basic unit of society. Even if it seems a bit unfair on its face, we should endeavor to weaken or even end programs that undermine dependencies and bonds within the family.


It won't work. Modern production has a built in efficiency trap and if I save money to retire on, pay off the house and don't spend it on consumer goods, there is a shortfall of consumption.

Japan got around by exporting surplus production to the US and elsewhere but there is a shortage of buyers globally for all the production.

Also such a system assumes that children are reliable, they often are not and that people want many children which may not be the case.

Two kids or even three kids can't support a family of their own and their parents. In theory we could get people married earlier so that families looked like G-Pa 55 G-Ma 53 Pa-30 Ma 28 and kids 5,3,1 plus aunts Uncles all that or something. Its healthy and sane, I'm too old now to play young dad but its what my ideal situation would be

but here is the rub it requires heavy economic regulation to make it happen.

Fertility is strongly correlated with economics. The population research bureau data is very interesting

http://www.prb.org/publications/datasheets/2012/world-population-data-sheet/fact-sheet-us-population.aspx

The lowest fertility levels, below replacement are tied directly to economic hard times. The Great Depression, the 73 to current ongoing decline.

This suggests that in order for fertility to rise we need two things, the desire for larger families and a stable economy.

The former is going to be from wresting back our society from the sick culture and the later, from the neo-liberal dyscivic grifters and the Ayn Rand Jihad types -- it will need to be a regulated distribution driven economy.

I can model such a thing but getting one? Not so easy.

And no counting on people be willing to sacrifice everything so they can have one more kid is dysgenic, some highly religious people will but generally smarter people will not . You want smart? It has to be paid for.

Blogger Kona Commuter June 08, 2016 10:02 PM  

I haven't gone through all the comments (yet) but feel the need to note that I'm seeing people no longer care being called a racist, sexist, misogynist etc etc anymore. Those attacks have lost their meaning from being over used.

Like the male Australian Senator that smacked down the female Australian Senator who tried to diminish him by saying he was "mansplaning".

Blogger Lazarus June 08, 2016 10:16 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:In theory a White and Muslim Europe would do just as well.

That is an incoherent mixing of categories, i.e., race and religion.

So, fail.

Blogger the bandit June 08, 2016 10:47 PM  

Lazarus wrote:A.B. Prosper wrote:In theory a White and Muslim Europe would do just as well.

That is an incoherent mixing of categories, i.e., race and religion.

So, fail.


Looks to me like you suffered a reading comprehension fail, actually, Laz.

Blogger the bandit June 08, 2016 10:50 PM  

@76 It's a shame this is only a comment. (But that's par for the course for you, sir.)

Theologically, I don't agree with the Catholics on much, but on this issue I have had to admit that they know what they're talking about, so much so that by it alone they garner my highest respect.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 08, 2016 10:55 PM  

OP:
Blinded by the white

ARGH you just reminded me of a really hideous pop song or something from the 1970s...

Blogger Were-Puppy June 08, 2016 11:04 PM  

From the link:
"The progress which emerged from the civil rights era, leading the culture toward Martin Luther King's dream of a world where people are judged according to the content of their character, has seen a regression toward the darkness of our nation's past."

The looters, rioters, thieves, crack heads, welfare queens, DINDUS of every variety make it very easy to judge the content of their characters.

Blogger dfordoom June 08, 2016 11:05 PM  

@117. A.B. Prosper

In theory a White and Muslim Europe would do just as well.

A Muslim Europe is the most likely outcome. I don't see Christianity ever making a comeback as a mass religion. Christianity's sorry track record of surrender, surrender and more surrender disqualifies it. It's seen (rightly or wrongly) as a religion for women and losers. Yes I know Not All Christians Are Like That, but I'm talking about perceptions.

So the choice will be either the increasingly Stalinist EU bureaucratic totalitarian nightmare or Islam. I don't see nationalism (without a religious backing) being powerful enough, or satisfying enough.

Given the choice between EU politically correct totalitarianism and Islam, I'd choose Islam. It won't be a major problem for the tiny minority of Christians. They'll be tolerated, as they alway have been. It might not be so much fun for the atheists but as long as they're prepared to go through the motions of outward devotion they'll be OK. The only ones who'll find it really unpleasant are the feminists. That will be funny to watch.

The end result might well be a lot healthier than what we have now. It didn't need to come to this but the cultural marxists just kept on pushing, and the cuckservatives just kept on surrendering.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 08, 2016 11:08 PM  

It's just another black guy whining about waaasciiissmm. *yawn*

Blogger Lazarus June 08, 2016 11:09 PM  

the bandit wrote:Looks to me like you suffered a reading comprehension fail, actually, Laz

enlighten me

Blogger dfordoom June 08, 2016 11:13 PM  

@117. A.B. Prosper

In theory a White and Muslim Europe would do just as well.

Paradoxically a Muslim Europe might be the best thing that has happened for Christianity for centuries. The result might well be a purified and dynamic Christianity, purged of feminists and liberal do-gooder claptrap. The end result might be a genuine Christian revival.

There's always a silver lining.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 08, 2016 11:18 PM  

@8 Hoppes #9

You might be a Cuckservative if

...you're best pals are necons.

...you think illegal aliens crossing our border is an act of love.

...you are living the life of Mr. Drummond.

Blogger Lazarus June 08, 2016 11:18 PM  

dfordoom wrote:The result might well be a purified and dynamic Christianity, purged of feminists and liberal do-gooder claptrap.

Lets see. In the middle east, Christians are being slaughtered en masse. Not in Israel, but elsewhere, like for instance, Islamic areas. If they are not slaughtered, they are taxed for being Christians.

Other than that, a great idea.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 08, 2016 11:26 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:Still for most of its history Europe was heathen or pagan and pre Christian Rome was a good. long lasting sophisticated civilization as was Greece . The pre Christian Scandinavian were highly innovative as well as were the Celts



I never said PAgan Europe was bad. 11 millenia of my ancestors would agree that it was a good thing.

It would not, however, be free.

dfordoom wrote:I don't see Christianity ever making a comeback as a mass religion. Christianity's sorry track record of surrender, surrender and more surrender disqualifies it. It's seen (rightly or wrongly) as a religion for women and losers. Yes I know Not All Christians Are Like That, but I'm talking about perceptions.
The biggest, by an order of magnitude, problem with Christianity is Christian leadership. Much like the late Middle Ages, leadership in the Church, both Catholic and Protestant, has become a sinecure for the the lazy, the academic, the homosexual, the grifters, the manipulators, and the epitome of all that, Francis.

Throw in a little physical danger and see what will happen.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 08, 2016 11:40 PM  

@62 The Original George...or OG
Please forgive me and my fellow Boomers.

---

I got no problem with it. But now this has infested that stupid song :

Blinded by the White
Wrapped up like a douche
you know, those boomers in the night

Blogger Were-Puppy June 08, 2016 11:55 PM  

@97 praetorian
Reved up like an oven cookin' cucks in the night...
---

Heh it got to you also I see :P

Blogger VFM #7634 June 09, 2016 12:33 AM  

A Muslim Europe is the most likely outcome. I don't see Christianity ever making a comeback as a mass religion. Christianity's sorry track record of surrender, surrender and more surrender disqualifies it. It's seen (rightly or wrongly) as a religion for women and losers. Yes I know Not All Christians Are Like That, but I'm talking about perceptions.

@125 dfordoom
It's more than just NACALT. That "turn-the-other-cheek" b.s. you're referring to is postchristian churchianity, a pale and probably blasphemous mockery of actual Christianity. Yes, they stole the appellation "Christian" but they're not actually Christian in any meaningful sense. The Crusaders and Spanish conquistadores and others who fought Muslims and other assorted heathens would vehemently disagree that being "Christian" means to hand over your civilization to the world's riffraff. (And yes, the Catholic Church's papacy has obviously been usurped by these shitlib weenies as well.)

Blogger dfordoom June 09, 2016 1:07 AM  

@134. VFM #7634

That "turn-the-other-cheek" b.s. you're referring to is postchristian churchianity, a pale and probably blasphemous mockery of actual Christianity. Yes, they stole the appellation "Christian" but they're not actually Christian in any meaningful sense.

Agreed. If genuine Christianity still existed in a meaningful sense we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. What we have now, for the most part, is Christianity as the kind of religion you'd expect when women and homosexual men run things.

The problem is, how do you recreate masculine Christianity? Masculine Christianity would be a better option than Islam, no doubt about that.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 09, 2016 2:17 AM  

Lazarus wrote:the bandit wrote:Looks to me like you suffered a reading comprehension fail, actually, Laz

enlighten me


Islam is a creed not a race and removing the 'cans, kebab and other non natives from Europe even if the natives went Sunni or something would not necessarily be bad for Europe

Europe isn't smart and creative because its was Christian but because it was full of White people.

That said Europe is not going to to turn Muslim any time soon, not even Germany aka arson central and Europeans are not giving up booze and pork for Allah any time soon nor adapting halal butcher practices.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 09, 2016 2:29 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:A.B. Prosper wrote:Still for most of its history Europe was heathen or pagan and pre Christian Rome was a good. long lasting sophisticated civilization as was Greece . The pre Christian Scandinavian were highly innovative as well as were the Celts



I never said PAgan Europe was bad. 11 millenia of my ancestors would agree that it was a good thing.

It would not, however, be free.

dfordoom wrote:I don't see Christianity ever making a comeback as a mass religion. Christianity's sorry track record of surrender, surrender and more surrender disqualifies it. It's seen (rightly or wrongly) as a religion for women and losers. Yes I know Not All Christians Are Like That, but I'm talking about perceptions.

The biggest, by an order of magnitude, problem with Christianity is Christian leadership. Much like the late Middle Ages, leadership in the Church, both Catholic and Protestant, has become a sinecure for the the lazy, the academic, the homosexual, the grifters, the manipulators, and the epitome of all that, Francis.

Throw in a little physical danger and see what will happen.


1st I don't think the Pagan Scandinavians were terribly unfree and I suspect they had less serfs and slaves per capita than the Medieval folk who led very regulated lives

without going into a tedious discussion of medieval economics, the system was designed a material economy and controlled in ways that enabled it to support more people than one might expect given the agriculture of the day . Economic liberty under Christendom was non existent though and a well favored Roman slave probably had as much or more

Heck Colonial America was in many respects a petty minded tyranny and post revolution America while it had a weak central government was no bastion of liberty at the State level

In truth the amount of freedom, economic and otherwise we had till recently was very unusual and unevenly applied as well

What we did have though that could work in any society is Rights of Freemen > Christendom is not required for such things.

As to the Church leadership, I agree 100% . An uncucked , honestly Conservative pro White (though not necessarily anti anyone else) Christian patriarchal church that was involved in its community could build tremendous power

The Mormon church was on this road till fairly recently, their theology is pretty wack but despite that, they used to do well. However the church leaders having reached a natural threshold of membership has gone cuck in some ways and has way too much outreach to non Whites . This will end them in time.

That said the foundations of the church are pretty good, patriarchy, male only priesthood, initiation rituals , in group marriage. They are in many respects better situated than the Vatican

Blogger Alec Rawls June 09, 2016 3:14 AM  

" ... conservatism is focused on individuals; they are focused on groups or, as they call them, tribes. They're collectivists, and racist collectivists."

Thus does this leftist black RINO seek to kill two rational/conservative birds with one rotten stone, first disowning the long-standing conservative understanding (and Supreme Court ruling) that racial profiling is a perfectly legitimate law enforcement strategy (leaving a much larger legitimate role for group information to play in personal decision making), then smearing those who adhere to informational rationality (where it is always irrational to throw away information) as racists. He even tries to section the informationally rational off under a separate new "alt-right" label. Really? Long-standing Supreme Court doctrine is "alt-right racism"?

Blogger SciVo June 09, 2016 3:28 AM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:The Mormon church was on this road till fairly recently, their theology is pretty wack but despite that, they used to do well. However the church leaders having reached a natural threshold of membership has gone cuck in some ways and has way too much outreach to non Whites . This will end them in time.

That said the foundations of the church are pretty good, patriarchy, male only priesthood, initiation rituals , in group marriage. They are in many respects better situated than the Vatican


Mormons have the same problem as Jesuits, SJWs and Evangelicals, which is that the universality mentality of their outreach focus gives them the opposite of an immune system against a slow, (initially) non-violent immivasion.

Three million Californians could move to Utah tomorrow and impose San Franciscan values, and the Mormons would give up their homeland without a fight. Oh, the non-alcoholic, non-caffeinated, non-vulgar grumbling would be epic.

Blogger SciVo June 09, 2016 3:36 AM  

But as long as the Cali invaders followed all of the rules in taking over the institutions, the Mormons' hands would be tied. Because breaking your own rules is rude.

Blogger Harold June 09, 2016 4:02 AM  

"And while you may be right I'm not sold on the idea that people are very religious, White people in Europe went basically atheist in a few decades and its happening here too."

I doubt there's a lot of true atheism there. Maybe not a belief in an omnipotent God. But- new age beliefs thrive in Europe. Witchcraft (Wicca) is growing in Europe as well as in the U.S. IMHO, Wicca seems to be closely associated with feminism, but only because every Wiccan I've met has been a feminist. Other pagan beliefs are also thriving. There are all sorts of solstice ceremonies held at ancient sites such as Stonehenge with increasing attendance. The number of people who actually believe in horoscopes is steadily increasing. Especially among liberals, who decry conservatives as being anti-science....

I don't know who first put a similar thought in writing, but if you don't bring your children up to believe in an established religion, they'll grow up to believe in anything. Atheism doesn't appear to be self sustaining. One of Madelyn Murray O'Hair's sons is a Baptist preacher. The other apparently killed and dismembered by fellow atheists.

There seems to be a built in tendency for people to seek out SOMETHING, indeed, anything to believe in. Atheists say they believe in science and rationality. But most believe in global warming, which isn't science, so, what does that tell you?

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 09, 2016 4:24 AM  

Feminism, Social Justice, and AGW are religions. That's why you will never argue adherents out of their positions, no matter how nonsensical.

Anonymous Discard June 09, 2016 4:53 AM  

141. Harold: I believe that it was G.K.Chesterton who wrote that people who give up Christianity don't believe in nothing, they'll believe in anything.

Blogger James Dixon June 09, 2016 9:04 AM  

> Part B would be a general pool kept in a real lock box.

You can't bind the future. If you haven't learned anything from the history of Social Security it should be that any lock box will be plundered.

Look up Neal Boortz's work on the FairTax. It's a more generalized case of what you describe that fully eliminates all other federal taxes, and he's already done all the math.

> ARGH you just reminded me of a really hideous pop song or something from the 1970s...

You've obviously never heard the Springsteen version (he's the one who wrote the song).

> I don't see Christianity ever making a comeback as a mass religion.

Well, that would depend on whether it's true or not, wouldn't it?

> ...but I'm talking about perceptions.

Again, if it's true, what do current perceptions matter?

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook June 09, 2016 12:17 PM  

Blinded by the white
Strung up with a noose another lynching in the night
Blinded by the white

....ill leave

Anonymous Rhetoric Man June 09, 2016 1:40 PM  

Cail--"If he wins, he will have replaced its neocon/cuckservative ideology with something very different, and winning will make that permanent. So yes, it will have been effectively replaced, not infiltrated and fixed, though the name and the offices may look the same."

No, no, no. Nothing is being replaced. Trump winning a national election only changes his address. The question is will his victory usher in other Trumpinistas at the state and local levels to follow his lead. If white people are still voting in "cucks" or "Churchians", then nothing has permanently changed.

Regardless, America was founded by immigrants who just happened to be European. American culture is American. The American way is American. That's how it always has been and will be seen.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 09, 2016 3:11 PM  

SciVo wrote:A.B. Prosper wrote:The Mormon church was on this road till fairly recently, their theology is pretty wack but despite that, they used to do well. However the church leaders having reached a natural threshold of membership has gone cuck in some ways and has way too much outreach to non Whites . This will end them in time.

That said the foundations of the church are pretty good, patriarchy, male only priesthood, initiation rituals , in group marriage. They are in many respects better situated than the Vatican


Mormons have the same problem as Jesuits, SJWs and Evangelicals, which is that the universality mentality of their outreach focus gives them the opposite of an immune system against a slow, (initially) non-violent immivasion.

Three million Californians could move to Utah tomorrow and impose San Franciscan values, and the Mormons would give up their homeland without a fight. Oh, the non-alcoholic, non-caffeinated, non-vulgar grumbling would be epic.


Future societies also need ideologically secure borders. If somehow the .Alt Right gets the whole of the US , we will certainly need to limit the cross state franchise. Home ownership (in full no mortgage) might be one way or we could go military service or just a time limit (must dwell in and have residency for a decade before you vote)

In any case the lack of fight is a current leadership problem though. Its not inherent even to the gullible Scandinavian character of many Mormons.

The early Mormons could be very violent and even had a particularly bloodthirsty vigilante group called Destroying Angels or Danites . These guys are still well remembered even by younger LDS with fear, loathing (they were excommunicated ) and much respect.

The church could easily make a Sons of new Dana or something and staff it easily if they so choose

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 09, 2016 3:31 PM  

Harold wrote:"And while you may be right I'm not sold on the idea that people are very religious, White people in Europe went basically atheist in a few decades and its happening here too."

I doubt there's a lot of true atheism there. Maybe not a belief in an omnipotent God. But- new age beliefs thrive in Europe. Witchcraft (Wicca) is growing in Europe as well as in the U.S. IMHO, Wicca seems to be closely associated with feminism, but only because every Wiccan I've met has been a feminist. Other pagan beliefs are also thriving. There are all sorts of solstice ceremonies held at ancient sites such as Stonehenge with increasing attendance. The number of people who actually believe in horoscopes is steadily increasing. Especially among liberals, who decry conservatives as being anti-science....

I don't know who first put a similar thought in writing, but if you don't bring your children up to believe in an established religion, they'll grow up to believe in anything. Atheism doesn't appear to be self sustaining. One of Madelyn Murray O'Hair's sons is a Baptist preacher. The other apparently killed and dismembered by fellow atheists.

There seems to be a built in tendency for people to seek out SOMETHING, indeed, anything to believe in. Atheists say they believe in science and rationality. But most believe in global warming, which isn't science, so, what does that tell you?


Great post. Regarding non Christian religions

The funny thing about Wicca is it originally was quite masculine , early Gardenrian Wicca had a Goddess and gave her respect but it was patriarchal muddled mix of folk customs, made up stuff and ceremonial magic

I don't think Pagan or Heathen faiths (Hellenic, Baltic, Asatru, Celtic ) preclude a healthy society though they certainly wouldn't be appealing to Christian civilizationists . Also unless a faith is natal its toast, There aren't yet many Heathens but they do seem to be have children at at least the normal rate or higher and the kids at least the one or so generations out there seem fine

Druidism won't work its universalistic.

Most of the Wiccans I've met were pretty unimpressive and many messed up. There are multi generational Wiccans though and it could if it weren't like hearding cats become a decent civilizational religion in time. It will probably resemble Christianity with more trees though if that happens . also Wiccans are often blind to the problem of evil though again they can change and not lose who they are

There are other groups fringy Otherkin and the like most of who I suspect were abused children. I met plenty of them over the years and was a little sweet on an Otherkin girl, talented artist and really cute well before the term existed but it didn't go anywhere since I was sane and she wasn't.

The New Age broadly still exists but its been hit hard with a realty hammer, it shows up from time to time as crap like The Secret. Its no basis for a civilization and the few children of its adherents will probably want some other religion

H

There are a few other religions I'm not sure about here

1st Islam, happily, higher IQ Whites mostly seems resistant to its memes which is a good thing

2nd Hinduism. Its a little foreign. I know a couple of non Indian guys , one a very high IQ criolo Mexican and the other a Mulatto who I think was born to it (from his Black mother) . It didn't do either of them harm or good.

and 3rd Buddhism. Its a pretty coherent and healthy faith and works for many people. I don't know if the West can become Buddhist and survive, maybe some mixture of Buddhism and Stoicism might work though that will drop the hammer on consumer society.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 09, 2016 7:04 PM  

Honestly, isn't consumer society one of our greatest modern ills?  It's something we'd be better off without.

Anonymous Scott A June 10, 2016 12:31 AM  

<<>>

Said the deluded.

This is what results from trying to analyze American Political Culture when you've not been a part of it for years.

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