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Tuesday, June 28, 2016

Declaring economic independence

Think what you will of Trump, the man has great rhetoric:
Trump, in his speech, portrayed Clinton as an agent of a status quo "that worships globalism over Americanism" and criticized her past support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which he described as "the deathblow for American manufacturing."

He said the North American Free Trade Agreement, which was signed by Bill Clinton, was a "disaster" and pointed to the Clintons support for normalizing trade relations with China.

He said that, as president, he would dramatically overhaul the way the country approaches trade, threatening to wield new tariffs and taxes to push his way.

"Ladies and gentlemen, It's time to declare our economic independence once again," he said.

He vowed to renegotiate North American Free Trade Agreement to get a better deal "by a lot, not just a little," for American workers - and threatened to withdraw the U.S. from the deal if his proposals aren't agreed.

"We already have a trade war. And were losing badly," Trump said.
Trump understands, as the globalists do not, that only one side is required to fight for a state of war to exist.

Make America Great Again.

UPDATE: in light of his attacks on Mr. Trump's economic policies, I have challenged Ben Shapiro to a debate on free trade.

Ben Shapiro ‏@benshapiro
Trumponomics is garbage stacked on other garbage stacked on flaming piles of dog crap 

Trump’s entire plan to create jobs relies on trade protectionism – the single most debunked economic fallacy of the last two centuries, an idea so bad that it has largely reduced Latin America, which bought into “dependency theory,” to poverty and food riots. Trump’s theory seems to be that if we increase the price of imports, make it more difficult for American companies to export, and punish American companies for locating overseas, this ridiculous combination of counterproductive policies will result in alchemist economic gold.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday  Ben, Trump's economics are superior to Ricardian neo-classical economics, Chicago School monetarism, and Marxian free trade.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday 
I wrote a #1 bestseller on free trade with Dr. Miller.

Now I'm challenging you to a debate on free trade. Are you up to it?

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127 Comments:

Blogger Groot June 28, 2016 4:28 PM  

"threatening to wield new tariffs and taxes"

Thank you, sir, may i have another?

Blogger Artemis Rand June 28, 2016 4:28 PM  

And to think the HNIC says it is Trump that is the Globalist!

Right out of Rules for Radicals.

I am sure (((Uncle Saul)))is looking up from the flames of hell and smiling at what destruction he helped cause.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 28, 2016 4:41 PM  

“What if they gave a war and nobody came?” - old hippies

“What if they gave a war and only one side came?” - reality

"We already have a trade war. And we’re losing badly,” - Trump

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 28, 2016 4:42 PM  

“What if they gave a war and nobody came?” - old hippies

“What if they gave a war and only one side came?” - reality

"We already have a trade war. And we’re losing badly.” - Trump

Blogger darkdoc June 28, 2016 4:42 PM  

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/full-transcript-trump-job-plan-speech-224891

The full transcript - worth reading.

Anonymous 11B June 28, 2016 4:44 PM  

Guys if you are a Trump supporter, please donate. He is trying to hit $10 million this week before June 30th, the end of the 2nd quarter. You can donate any amount, $10 on up. Every bit will help.

Donald Trump

PS. My apologies to VD if you think this was inappropriate.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 28, 2016 4:49 PM  

Please, please:

Make Canada great again too.

Get these parasitic, coercive, theft by tax loving, virtue signalling totalitarians out of my nation.



Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2016 5:00 PM  

Cecil Henry wrote:Make Canada great again too.



Sorry Cecil, that's your job.
We've got our own fight to deal with. We're not even close to being assured of victory.
Maybe it's time Canada had a shitlord party, like the UKIP, BNP etc have been in UK.Just to move the borders of discussion. The Tories have been too Canadian Nice. Start supporting your home-grown insurrection, people like Kathy Shaidle and Ezra Levant. Even just a decent Canadian focused news aggregation site would be a big help.

Have you read Tyranny of Nice?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2016 5:10 PM  

Why is what Trump is saying even open to question? How is it not the common-sense dogma of every political party?

Blogger Student in Blue June 28, 2016 5:14 PM  

@7. Cecil Henry

Indeed, like Snidely said, that's your job.

Just like everything in life, if things aren't going your way and you wish it to stop, then do something about it. Hoping and wishing that someone else will come in, swinging on a rope to save the day, is such a passive feminine mode of thought that's all too common nowadays, and it doesn't ever start things into motion.

Do you wish to make Canada great again? Then ask people to join you in your fight, instead of hoping that someone else will do the purge.

You must excise that passive mode of thought from your mind immediately however.

Blogger tz June 28, 2016 5:14 PM  

48, maybe all 50 states in a landslide.

What #NeverTrump doesn't realize is that the pains weren't indigestion, and now that it is clearly a heart attack, to ask the credentials of the paramedics and ER, and wanting or wanting to go to the best one 3 counties away will be fatal.

The time for electing a good man was 2012 with Ron Paul. Instead we got Romney, who in addition to being worse than Trump on the issues (Romneycare, gay marriage, abortion, PP) was a cuckservative.

It's too late, Trump is the last Brexit on the highway to Globalist Hellary.

Blogger tz June 28, 2016 5:16 PM  

@7 - I can remember watching CBC for years. Canada went off half-cucked with Trudeau and never recovered.

Even their opposition was called "Progressive Conservative", which would have been a perfect term for it before Cuckservative.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 28, 2016 5:18 PM  

He says these things so plainly that it's easy to forget how radical they would have seemed just a couple years ago.

Blogger Sevron June 28, 2016 5:23 PM  

@Snidely for the same reason that "America First" is racist. There's a lot of factors. There's the (((Echobergs))), who work night and day to destroy Christian society. There's the globalists whose thirst for power over others can never be slaked. There's the banksters, who can never control enough of the assets. There's the SMV losers (e.g. SJWs) who can only even tenporarily salve the wound in their souls by making everything else as ugly as themselves. There the low IQ tribes, who have brainwashed all their lives to believe that the reason they isn't kangs is because while people stole it from them, and they have every right to steal it back.

It's the full Army of the Damned, joined together across the world, and marching on every corner of the globe. Hey, at least these times are interesting, right?

Blogger Student in Blue June 28, 2016 5:26 PM  

@Cail Corishev
He says these things so plainly that it's easy to forget how radical they would have seemed just a couple years ago.

Indeed. NAFTA had, through public schooling, been cemented in my head as an unquestionable good - something sacred. Free trade was automatically unquestionably American and holy and more of it was always better.

We're now actually considering getting out of NAFTA.

Anonymous 1489 June 28, 2016 5:32 PM  

Based on his previous statement and positions we can be sure this one on trade will also change soon. The irony is that Trump touts himself as an outsider but when it comes to constantly flip flopping to appeal to the winds, he's better than the best politician.

Blogger praetorian June 28, 2016 5:33 PM  

Trump keeps surprising to the upside, doesn't he?

/pol/ was right again

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 28, 2016 5:34 PM  

Canada could elect Cruz.

Too soon?

Blogger praetorian June 28, 2016 5:35 PM  

The irony is that Trump touts himself as an outsider but when it comes to constantly flip flopping to appeal to the winds, he's better than the best politician.

All these flavors...

Blogger Groot June 28, 2016 5:36 PM  

@9. Snidely Whiplash:
"Why is what Trump is saying even open to question? How is it not the common-sense dogma of every political party?"

You mean, raise taxes and protect the cronies? Pretty sure that it is the dogma.

"Marxism, Freudianism, global warming. These are proof — of which history offers so many examples — that people can be suckers on a grand scale. To their fanatical followers they are a substitute for religion."

— Paul Johnson

Blogger SirHamster June 28, 2016 5:39 PM  

OT: Is there some meta joke I'm missing that all the blog posts are tagged with "#1 BESTSELLER IN HUMOR: THE MISSIONARIES"?

There is something funny about Vox calling on us to support The Missionaries. Altar call next?

Blogger Lovekraft June 28, 2016 5:40 PM  

Debates will unfold as follows:

Trump: Here's why we are failing, Here's what I propose we do.

Hillary: badgina, women, hopeychangey blahblahblah

Repeat as necessary.

Blogger praetorian June 28, 2016 5:45 PM  

Debates will unfold as follows

The debates would have hurt Hillary even if ¡Jebe! was the candidate. She has to actually talk/shriek, after all.

With Trump it's gonna be an aboslute Shoah, pounded in the butt by an oven, with another Shoah.

Blogger tz June 28, 2016 5:45 PM  

Meanwhile, Nigel Farage says F* EU though not quite those words

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 28, 2016 5:46 PM  

No.

Trump: check it out, she's gonna lie again.

Clinton: My name is Hillary Rodham Clinton and I deserve to be your next President.

Trump: Wow! That was fast!

Blogger tz June 28, 2016 5:51 PM  

No, the debate will be:
Trump: Boo!
Clinton: [extended coughing fit]
Trump: She isn't even healthy enough...
Clinton: [collapses, to her knees or worse]
Trump: That's what is happening and will happen under her administration...
Clinton: arf!arf! But arf arf arf I'm arf arf owed arf president arf arf ... arf by my arf foundation arf supp... [hacking, death rattle].
Trump: That's what you got with Hillarycare and Obamacare and I'm going to end them!

Anonymous andon June 28, 2016 5:59 PM  

to me Trump's speeches have been uninspiring lately. also there was the softening of his position on deporting illegals

hopefully he can get back on track

Anonymous andon June 28, 2016 6:02 PM  

Warren: No really, close your account.

Trump: No really, i'm an American Indian.

Blogger praetorian June 28, 2016 6:03 PM  

Trump: < literally anything >
Clinton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r23bZOyINnw&feature=youtu.be&t=169

Game over.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 28, 2016 6:04 PM  

the softening of his position on deporting illegals

It'll be a long election for you if you swallow every dishonest reframe put out by his opponents.

Anonymous BGKB June 28, 2016 6:07 PM  

the softening of his position on deporting illegals

When Pinochet's helicopter starts dropping illegal alien criminals from a staggering height, that Mexico wont take back we will see what ludenpress says.

Blogger tz June 28, 2016 6:08 PM  

A few years from now, we will have a trade bloc with Russia - Putin, and the UKk - Farage and kicking the world's ass in every sector.
There is a reason it is called a "pride" of Lions.
Each nation seeking its own greatness in its own way will do so much more than the homogenization of the globalists.

This is no small point. ISO9000 is about CONSISTENCY, not excellence. Everyone pushing themselves toward excellence will result in millions of excellent people - entrepreneurs excelling at their niche. Everyone just getting along and producing consistent mediocrity will eventually collapse as the foundations eventually rot.

Blogger Dave June 28, 2016 6:08 PM  

Not meant as an insult, but was Canada ever great?

MCGFO: Make Canada Great For Once

Blogger tz June 28, 2016 6:09 PM  

Fauxcahontas is an Indian giver. Apologies to Vox.

Blogger lowercaseb June 28, 2016 6:20 PM  

Dave wrote:Not meant as an insult, but was Canada ever great?

MCGFO: Make Canada Great For Once



They are far too polite to consider themselves "Great."

Mc Ro! Make Canada Reasonably OK!

Blogger Gaiseric June 28, 2016 6:28 PM  

Those Canadian MAGA acronyms are like a parade of really bad Scottish names. No wonder they can't get any traction.

Blogger James Dixon June 28, 2016 6:28 PM  

The Trump event had about 1250 people there. As noted it was an invitation only event. There was a requested donatiin of $350/couple, but it wasn't enforced. We donated, but not that much. Trump hit all the major points: immigation, energy, jobs, trade, guns, supreme court, etc. He's every bit as good in public as reported. Of course he'll carry WV by 2 to 1 or better.

Anonymous andon June 28, 2016 6:31 PM  

OT: Europe must accept diversity or face war - No more nation states

https://youtu.be/N14U5ZE-N2w

note the condescension

Anonymous Wyrd June 28, 2016 6:33 PM  

It'll be a long election for you if you swallow every dishonest reframe put out by his opponents.

I can't wait until, out of desperation, the MSM is comparing Trump to Mao and Pol Pot.

Blogger Dave June 28, 2016 6:40 PM  

CWG: Canada We'rrrrrre Grrrrrreat!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2016 6:40 PM  

1489 wrote:Based on his previous statement and positions we can be sure this one on trade will also change soon. The irony is that Trump touts himself as an outsider but when it comes to constantly flip flopping to appeal to the winds, he's better than the best politician.

To quote Harry Nilsson, "That's it man. You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear."
You want to think Trump will betray his base, so you invent changes in policy that don't even exist.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 28, 2016 6:42 PM  

@39 That's the problem with calling an opponent Hitler. Once you do, you discover there's no place else to go. (Figuring out that Mao and Stalin killed way more people than Hitler takes education these people just don't have.)

Blogger dc.sunsets June 28, 2016 6:42 PM  

The problem is that today's illusion of prosperity rests on a rocket of credit bubble growth in debt.

There is no breaking the death grip of globalist hegemony without ripping the entrails out of the Federal Reserve & Congressional deficit spending, but WHEN this occurs (whether as policy or when this massive game of chicken implodes) every one of us will suffer short term (utterly inevitable) pain.

No politician, including Trump, will choose this path. Such paths are chosen spontaneously by the herd, much as the "Leave" voters really didn't care, ultimately, whether they'd be poorer for exiting the EZ. They wanted OUT,just as Trump supporters (me included) want this BS ended even if in the short run it's painful.

Anonymous Wyrd June 28, 2016 6:46 PM  

@Ingot9455,

But, but, but muh Hitler!

Blogger dc.sunsets June 28, 2016 6:49 PM  

Mr. Dixon, your insight on the Trump rally is great.

The press will continue to emulate "Pravda-under-the-Soviets" by publishing columns increasingly estranged from reality, leaving the debates to look like Alice in Wonderland by comparison.

Trump will win as much because Middle America is energized as because that Crony-Socialist whore/hag will sap the left of its members' will to live.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 28, 2016 6:50 PM  

@44 One of my favorite jokes that comes to me from the 'Samurai Cat' books:

Hitler, Mao, and Stalin have a bet to see who can kill the most people. They agree to meet in Hell, count up, and pay out.

It takes a while for Hitler to find Mao and Stalin, who laugh at him and call him a loser for coming in third. "More fool me," Hitler says. "I didn't know you could kill your own people!"

Anonymous Wyrd June 28, 2016 6:52 PM  

@Ingot9455,

Lolz!

Anonymous 1489 June 28, 2016 6:54 PM  

"You want to think Trump will betray his base, so you invent changes in policy that don't even exist."

Abortion, Iraq, Afghanistan, nuclear proliferation.

Anonymous Wyrd June 28, 2016 6:57 PM  

Abortion, Iraq, Afghanistan, nuclear proliferation.

Weak, lame, and totally not cool.

Anonymous BGKB June 28, 2016 7:00 PM  

Niggerette seen erasing votes during brexit, I wonder what side she was changing them to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQPMlrNDlxA

But, but, but muh Hitler!

The more the left plays the Hitler card the more people realize they might have been lied to about Hitler.

Anonymous gxg June 28, 2016 7:12 PM  

Speaking of rhetoric, I'm noticing something interesting. On Yahoo News, there is a story about the latest Terrorist attack in Turkey. The comments are peppered with humor, sarcasm and mockery.

This seems a good sign, a potential culture shift, with mockery of the left going mainstream, along with lots of "up" arrows to support it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/istanbul-airport-suicide-bombers-000000377.html

Examples:
- Must be those Christian extremist again....

- We clearly are not showing the murdering terrorists enough love!

- I know! Let's welcome more Muslims into our country so we can have the same thing happening over and over here as well.

- I guess Gdamn guns and the NRA, white Christian men and homophobia are to blame?

Anonymous Wyrd June 28, 2016 7:13 PM  

The more the left plays the Hitler card the more people realize they might have been lied to about Hitler.

According to (((The History Channel))), the only thing Stalin is guilty of are some shitty canals.

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 28, 2016 7:14 PM  

@ ingot9455

Ooooooooo (winces) that one hit the bull's-eye!

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 28, 2016 7:17 PM  

Ben Shapiro? I thought all the NeverTrump foreigners had largely disappeared into irrelevance.

Blogger dienw June 28, 2016 7:22 PM  

@7. andon

to me Trump's speeches have been uninspiring lately. also there was the softening of his position on deporting illegals...hopefully he can get back on track

That is because Corey Lewandowsky was ousted by Trump's foolish kids: there was a psyop conducted on them via Manafort who is a snake in the woodpile; he is a GOPe plant.

Anonymous gxg June 28, 2016 7:26 PM  

Niggerette seen erasing votes during brexit, I wonder what side she was changing them to?

On the day of the Brexit vote, there was a huge push by "leave" voters to use pens, not pencils. They were mocked, called paranoid, and encouraged by poll workers to use the pencils that were provided. The "leave" voters used pens anyway. They also encouraged their fellow "leave" voters to cross out the "remain" option to make sure their ballots were impossible to switch.

Maybe that's why "leave" won. "Operation Eraser" was foiled by voters who knew what they were up against.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 28, 2016 7:32 PM  

I wouldn't say Trump's speeches are less inspiring. This is the beginning of 'the turn' as Scott Adams has been putting it. Sounding professional and presidential. Showing more depth.

Much like Romney's first debate with Obama. He'd been painted as insane until then, when he came off as a dozen times smarter and more presidential than O.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 28, 2016 7:41 PM  

I wouldn't say Trump's speeches are less inspiring. This is the beginning of 'the turn' as Scott Adams has been putting it. Sounding professional and presidential. Showing more depth.

Much like Romney's first debate with Obama. He'd been painted as insane until then, when he came off as a dozen times smarter and more presidential than O.

Anonymous SciVo June 28, 2016 7:47 PM  

1489 wrote:Based on his previous statement and positions we can be sure this one on trade will also change soon.

I know, right? It's so completely different from what he said in 1988.

tz wrote:A few years from now, we will have a trade bloc with Russia - Putin, and the UKk - Farage and kicking the world's ass in every sector.

I'm already seeing buzz about an Anglosphere pact for the Five Eyes -- Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States -- since trust is a strong foundation for mutually beneficial trade. It made me realize that I'd unconsciously assumed we already had one.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 28, 2016 7:55 PM  

AMericans are starting to feel optimistic, they are starting to feel good that thigs are going to get better,.... in truth, "economic policy" doesn't really matter that much,, it would be nice if supposedly republican writers would just cheerlead and get Trump elected

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2016 7:56 PM  

@1489
You don't get how Trump's communication works, do you? It doesn't work for people who are looking for secret signals and dog whistles that normal politicians give.
He state a policy, and then make reassuring non-committal that sound to idiots like you to reversals.
Take last week's neo-Con VP candidate of the week. Hugh Hewitt asked Trump if Tom cotton was on the list of potential VP candidates. Trumps reply was something like:
"I think Tom Cotton is a great guy. I've known him for years, known his family for a long long time. I love working with Tom, and I'd love to be able to work together with Tom on this campaign."

A bunch of idiot, including Ace and Allah over at Hot Air thought this meant Cotton was on the list.
It means, roughly translated "Oh, hell no, but I am not going to alienate Tom, because I may have to work with him in the future."

Anonymous Claymore June 28, 2016 7:57 PM  

I hope he takes you up on it. Confront, cow, destroy!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 28, 2016 8:07 PM  

Sure hope that Shapiro accepts the challenge issued by Vox.

Something Thunderdomesque would be the most appropriate venue.

Blogger CM June 28, 2016 8:08 PM  

It means, roughly translated "Oh, hell no, but I am not going to alienate Tom, because I may have to work with him in the future."

Lol.

I thought Trump's wishy washy interview answers were a tactic to keep the media guessing and not giving them a target.

Even so, seems to me the most controversial subjects in our politics today, Trump gives some personal support to the dem line while vociferously supprting a State's right to make that choice for their own people.

He is socially liberal, but his political instincts are pro-states' rights.

Anonymous andon June 28, 2016 8:15 PM  

shapiro reminds me of will wheaton

Blogger YIH June 28, 2016 8:19 PM  

Little Chickenhawk's going to chicken out.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 28, 2016 8:26 PM  

Wikipedia on tariffs

"Tariffs in United States history have played important roles in trade policy, political debates and the nation's economic history. The main goal of the tariff was money to pay the federal budget.[citation needed] Controversy arose over whether manufacturing interests were favored and consumer interests hurt by high tariffs. The 1st United States Congress, wanting a straightforward tax that was not too onerous and easy to collect, passed the Tariff Act of 1789. Treasury agents collected the tariff before goods could be landed, and what became the Coast Guard prevented smuggling. Tariffs were the largest (approaching 95% at times) source of federal revenue until the Federal income tax began after 1913. For well over a century the federal government was largely financed by tariffs averaging about 20% on foreign imports. There are no tariffs for imports or shipments from other states. Since the 1940s, foreign trade policies have focused more on reciprocal tariffs and low tariff rates rather than using tariffs as a significant source of Federal tax revenue. The goal of using higher tariffs to promote industrialization was urged by the first Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, and after him the Whig Party. They generally failed because Jeffersonian and Jacksonian Democrats said the tariff should be only high enough to pay the government's bills; otherwise, it would hurt the consumers. The Republicans, however, made high tariffs the centerpiece of their economic policy beginning in 1861, and as late as 1930. Since 1930, tariffs have not been a major political issue."

Anonymous mature-Craig June 28, 2016 8:30 PM  

more on Tariffs from Wikipedia

McKinley elected on high tariff platform[edit]

McKinley campaigned heavily in 1896 on the high tariff as a positive solution to depression. Promising protection and prosperity to every economic sector, he won a smashing victory. The Republicans rushed through the Dingley tariff in 1897, boosting rates back to the 50 percent level. Democrats responded that the high rates created government sponsored "trusts" (monopolies) and led to higher consumer prices. McKinley won reelection by an even bigger landslide and started talking about a post-tariff era of reciprocal trade agreements. Reciprocity went nowhere; McKinley's vision was a half century too early.[50]





President Teddy Roosevelt watches GOP team pull apart on tariff issue
By about 1900 it had become clear that the U.S. industries were competitive (or more) in nearly all areas and as the need for protection tariffs to pay for the Civil War receded tariffs were gradually reduced. The next peak in tariffs was in about 1918 when World War I expenditures had to be paid for. The next peak in tariffs was due to the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 at the start of the Great Depression.

Republican President Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909) saw the tariff issue was ripping his party apart, so he postponed any consideration of it. The delicate balance flew apart on president William Howard Taft's watch. Taft campaigned for president in 1908 for tariff "reform", which everyone assumed meant lower rates. The House lowered rates with the Payne Bill, then sent it to the Senate where Nelson Wilmarth Aldrich worked his sleight of hand. Whereas Aldrich was a New England businessman and a master of the complexities of the tariff, the Midwestern Republican insurgents were rhetoricians and lawyers who distrusted the special interests and assumed the tariff was "sheer robbery" at the expense of the ordinary consumer. Rural America believed that its superior morality deserved special protection, while the dastardly immorality of the trusts—and cities generally—merited financial punishment. Aldrich baited them. Did the insurgents want lower tariffs? His wickedly clever Payne-Aldrich Tariff Act of 1909 lowered the protection on Midwestern farm products, while raising rates favorable to his Northeast.[51][52]

Blogger Artemis Rand June 28, 2016 8:36 PM  

Ben Shapiro ?

SHAPIRO!!

Fuck that jew bastard. No need for echoes on this one folks.

Blogger Artemis Rand June 28, 2016 8:36 PM  

@64

SHUT UP!

-Captain Picard

Anonymous mature-Craig June 28, 2016 8:37 PM  

I heard Trump a few weeks ago telling someone on CNN well everything right now is just a suggestion... I have seen the media do that to republicans candidate before, get them to outline something so that they can tear it apart....

Anonymous mature-Craig June 28, 2016 8:38 PM  

here are some specifics I found from January of this year, acc to the NY Times

"Mr. Trump said that the relationship with China needs to be restructured.

“The only power that we have with China,” Mr. Trump said, “is massive trade.”

“I would tax China on products coming in,” Mr. Trump said. “I would do a tariff, yes — and they do it to us.”

Mr. Trump added that he’s “a free trader,” but that “it’s got to be reasonably fair.”

“I would do a tax. and the tax, let me tell you what the tax should be … the tax should be 45 percent,” Mr. Trump said.
"

Anonymous Ken June 28, 2016 8:40 PM  

"Normalizing trade relations" strikes me as a particularly Orwellian bit of doublespeak.

Normalize to WHAT?

Blogger newanubis June 28, 2016 8:41 PM  

I suspect the Dark Lord will allow this and I'm grateful for the reminder. Just contributed $50. Wonder if there will be an IRS edict making djt donations non tax-deductible.

Blogger newanubis June 28, 2016 8:41 PM  

I suspect the Dark Lord will allow this and I'm grateful for the reminder. Just contributed $50. Wonder if there will be an IRS edict making djt donations non tax-deductible.

Blogger newanubis June 28, 2016 8:46 PM  

No punch-pulling on the Shapiro cuckrat should he borrow a pair and agree to the debate. Thanks, VD. Ben's shadow grows darker with the light you place upon him.

Anonymous Ben Shapiro June 28, 2016 8:49 PM  

I would except Vox Day's request for a debate, but I'm shorter than Tyrion.

Blogger Dave June 28, 2016 8:50 PM  

Having listened to Shapiro talk extemporaneously on the radio every day for several months, I offer that he would be wise to decline this challenge. He doesn't think quickly enough.

Blogger Gaiseric June 28, 2016 9:15 PM  

Those Canadian MAGA acronyms are like a parade of really bad Scottish names. No wonder they can't get any traction.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 28, 2016 9:27 PM  

@7 Cecil Henry
Please, please:

Make Canada great again too.
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You're gonna need a wall on your southern border. Rumor has it an incalculable number of lefties plan on moving to Canada if Trump gets elected.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 28, 2016 9:29 PM  

@5 darkdoc June 28, 2016 4:42 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/full-transcript-trump-job-plan-speech-224891

The full transcript - worth reading.
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You weren't kidding. He's not only tying the economy around Hitlery and Slick Willies necks, he's also calling out China, South Korea, and details ripping out root and branch globalists hard work of decades.

Anonymous LastRedoubt June 28, 2016 9:33 PM  

@Ingot9455

Thank you for reminding me - I lost that volume in a move. Love the books, and still have the first two in my clutches.

Blogger James Dixon June 28, 2016 9:33 PM  

> There is no breaking the death grip of globalist hegemony without ripping the entrails out of the Federal Reserve & Congressional deficit spending...

As Reagan had to break the back of inflation, Trump will have to break the back of deficit spending and the debt cycle. If think if anyone can do it, he can, but we'll have to see.

> UPDATE: in light of his attacks on Mr. Trump's economic policies, I have challenged Ben Shapiro to a debate on free trade.

Watching him try to duck and run from this is going to be entertaining.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 28, 2016 9:36 PM  

@15 Student in Blue
@Cail Corishev
He says these things so plainly that it's easy to forget how radical they would have seemed just a couple years ago.

Indeed. NAFTA had, through public schooling, been cemented in my head as an unquestionable good - something sacred. Free trade was automatically unquestionably American and holy and more of it was always better.

We're now actually considering getting out of NAFTA.
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I was supportive of it too, because Natty Review ... probably. But we can see the results of that Free Trade kool aid, and it's not as good as we once thought.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 28, 2016 9:39 PM  

@16 1489
Based on his previous statement and positions we can be sure this one on trade will also change soon. The irony is that Trump touts himself as an outsider but when it comes to constantly flip flopping to appeal to the winds, he's better than the best politician.
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Behold, a mangina speaks.

Is it because Hitlery and Slick Willie never, ever lie?

Is it because this mangina is a kool aid drinking Cruzlim still under the sway of Beckhammed?

Is it because this mangina has foam in its ass?

Is it because this mangina snuck across the border as an act of love?

Who cares, a loser is a loser.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 28, 2016 9:45 PM  

Wow. That speech was excellent. I agree with everything he said, and I like how now he has actual cause and effect in his speeches.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 28, 2016 10:15 PM  

Did he ever debate Milo ?
I doubt the sawed off cluckservative wants to go into a debate with Vox. He,s far too busy explaining to his fellow cucks what Pepe and Spurdo is, and the threat to conservative values they represent.
I wonder if he bought all 50 copies of his sweetie Michelle Fields book that the wench has sold on Besozon so far ?

Blogger Were-Puppy June 28, 2016 10:18 PM  

@43 dc.sunsets
The problem is that today's illusion of prosperity rests on a rocket of credit bubble growth in debt.
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Must be nice where you are. There are no illusions of prosperity for most people right now.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 28, 2016 10:23 PM  

If there is a debate with Shapiro, can the audio be fixed so everything he says (((echos)))

Blogger GFR June 28, 2016 10:39 PM  

You know just because Shapiro is a jew doesn't mean that everything he says is a lie. His book on how to debate liberals was masterful, and he did a good job of making Piers Morgan look foolish on the 2nd amendment. That being said I have always wondered how come tariffs work for China and Japan but not for us?

Anonymous James Edward June 28, 2016 10:59 PM  

It's about reducing consumption of foreign crap bought with borrowed money, not about protecting domestic production.

Blogger al June 28, 2016 11:01 PM  

I'll be interested to see how Trump plans to keep IT companies from moving overseas if they don't get their H1Bs if there are no tangible goods involved. How do you tariff the flow of information? Its just too easy for them to outsource and I don't know how it can be prevented without doing something drastic. It would be hard to design a one-size-fits-all mechanism for disparate IT business models. I don't think much progress will be made on this issue. I have heard lately that Boston Dynamics may be sold to Japanese interests. Pretty idiotic to allow the sale overseas of a company capable of producing weaponized robotic systems. Also the proposal to sell Monsanto to Bayer seems to put us at risk unless we can keep manufacturing here so that global interests can't simply cut off our access to the roundup that they have addicted our food supply to.

Blogger GFR June 28, 2016 11:11 PM  

@al. Maybe US IT companies could pay talented US high school students to study computer science?
.
It seems strange that a first world country is dependent on a supply of computer professionals who have been educated by a third world country at taxpayer expense.
.
We've been doing something similar with physicians for some time. The Indian taxpayer ponies up the readies to educate one of their fellow nationals. Said individual graduates and immediately moves to the US where they have to work as a used car salesman because they can't get into a residency program. The used car dealership gets a bang-up salesman, but the US taxpayer, the Indian taxpayer and the medical profession don't seem to be benefitting from the situation that much..

Blogger Sevron June 28, 2016 11:39 PM  

I'd love to see the debate with Shapiro, but it'll never happen. He'll just claim Vox is racist or some shit and duck out.

Anonymous 1489 June 28, 2016 11:49 PM  

"I'd love to see the debate with Shapiro, but it'll never happen. He'll just claim Vox is racist or some shit and duck out."

No...Shapiro couldn't possibly have something better to do than joust with a back bencher.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 28, 2016 11:55 PM  

@50 BGKB

Niggerette seen erasing votes during brexit, I wonder what side she was changing them to?
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Gorilla Tactics lacking Excellence of Execution

Anonymous 1489 June 28, 2016 11:56 PM  

"@16 1489
Based on his previous statement and positions we can be sure this one on trade will also change soon. The irony is that Trump touts himself as an outsider but when it comes to constantly flip flopping to appeal to the winds, he's better than the best politician.
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Behold, a mangina speaks."

Heh...Trump would fold just as fast as he tends to file for bankruptcy....and that's pretty quick.

His entire career commenting on political issues has been a charade of saying what he thinks would make him popular. First he was "very much in favor of a right to choose" before he become "very much in favor of the right to life".

First he says nuclear proliferation is our biggest threat, then he starts naming the countries he wants to give the bomb too.

First he says he support the war in Iraq, then he says he always opposed it.

Any one who believes this man will do what he says is only listening with one hear.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 29, 2016 12:02 AM  

@65 YIH
Little Chickenhawk's going to chicken out.
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Heh - Vox will enjoy whippin' on a runt like that.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 29, 2016 12:10 AM  

@92 1489

Any one who believes this man will do what he says is only listening with one hear.
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There are plenty here who don't trust him one bit.
But they trust all the other tried and true establishment types even less.

Anonymous 1489 June 29, 2016 12:21 AM  

"There are plenty here who don't trust him one bit.
But they trust all the other tried and true establishment types even less."

Yeah....But you want someone who has at least a most basic grasp of government, law, and national security. That Trump ain't got.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2016 12:24 AM  

1489 wrote:His entire career commenting on political issues has been a charade of saying what he thinks would make him popular.
Name one (1) politician that statement does not apply to. If you say Ted Cruz, I'll come over there and kick you in the balls.

Any one who believes this man will do what he says is only listening with one hear.

Anyone who thinks this about Trump has been listening only to his enemies.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 29, 2016 12:27 AM  

"No...Shapiro couldn't possibly have something better to do than joust with a back bencher"
Yeah, the wee benji is all that and a bag of chips.
My 12 year old niece could pound his wimpy butt in a debate, Hell, my 8 year old nephew could. Vox would vaporize him in less than 2 minutes.Are ya willing to put money on it, unit 89 ?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2016 12:29 AM  

1489 wrote:Yeah....But you want someone who has at least a most basic grasp of government, law, and national security. That Trump ain't got.

What I want is someone who doesn't hate Americans. You don't make billions in Real Estate without a basic understanding of law and government.
Show me someone, anyone in the world who has less understanding of national security than our current president. There are illiterate tribesmen in central Asia who know more about NS than Obama. Hillary while better than O, is still committed than he is to hollowing out the Army and turning it into a social program.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2016 12:31 AM  

@90. 1489
No...Shapiro couldn't possibly have something better to do than joust with a back bencher.

Like what? He's a useless, dried-up has-been.

He'd lose to said "back bencher" as well.

Anonymous SciVo June 29, 2016 1:06 AM  

al wrote:I'll be interested to see how Trump plans to keep IT companies from moving overseas if they don't get their H1Bs if there are no tangible goods involved. How do you tariff the flow of information? Its just too easy for them to outsource and I don't know how it can be prevented without doing something drastic. It would be hard to design a one-size-fits-all mechanism for disparate IT business models.

I'm not worried about that, because dealing with a low-trust culture is very problematic. You don't hear as much about outsourcing any more for a reason. U.S. companies started bringing the aliens here so they could keep an eye on them, because there's no savings if the project fails, the non-European managers overseas would just blow smoke "oh everything's fine, everything's fine" until it was all so fubar'd that it couldn't be salvaged.

Between that, the frictional costs of managing a contractor on the other side of the world, and how easily the U.S. business world can swamp almost any other country's currency and lift its exchange rate until the savings disappear, I don't think it's worth worrying about that possibility unless and until it becomes a big deal.

Anonymous Discard June 29, 2016 2:26 AM  

100. SciVo: Union Carbide outsourced production to India (Bhopal), and when the Hindus fucked up the operation and killed several thousand of their own people with a cloud of poison gas, the Indian government sued Union Carbide out of existence. The money, of course, did not go to the victims. First World companies won't survive in Third World kleptocracys.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 29, 2016 2:51 AM  

101. Discard
The {{{ briefcase barracudas ))) pull this kind of thing everyday in this here good old USA.
Do you not watch the telly at all ? Class action lawsuits advertised out the ying yang. You do know who benefits most from them ? ((( Take a wild guess )))

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 29, 2016 2:58 AM  

And no, Discard I'm not disagreeing with you one damn bit. Just my two motes worth.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 29, 2016 3:00 AM  

Dammit, mites.
Geez, I must edit .

Anonymous fred June 29, 2016 3:45 AM  

"Get these parasitic, coercive, theft by tax loving, virtue signalling totalitarians out of my nation."

Wait. I thought EVERYONE in Canada was a parasitic, coercive, virtue signaling totalitarian. I mean, I don't think I've ever met a Canadian down here without getting the Maple Leaf Smug Lecture.

"We're now actually considering getting out of NAFTA."

Too late. Too much of NAFTA has already gotten into us. Or I mean, snuck into us.

"Rumor has it an incalculable number of lefties plan on moving to Canada if Trump gets elected."

Huh. But I thought they loved Mexico so much, they wanted the whole country to move _here_. So why the hell are they bugging out to Canada?

Oh, noooow I remember.

"But you want someone who has at least a most basic grasp of government, law, and national security"

No, it's not you but Trump who'll want those things. It's called a Cabinet. What, you think he builds those hotels himself?


Blogger rho June 29, 2016 4:17 AM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:"No...Shapiro couldn't possibly have something better to do than joust with a back bencher"

Yeah, the wee benji is all that and a bag of chips.

My 12 year old niece could pound his wimpy butt in a debate, Hell, my 8 year old nephew could. Vox would vaporize him in less than 2 minutes.Are ya willing to put money on it, unit 89 ?


How much money are you willing to put on your 8-year-old nephew.

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 29, 2016 5:08 AM  

@85 I don't think anyone accused him of lying. He is generally open about his repellent leftist views. His foreign ethnicity is relevant since it indicates that he is outside the group, not part of the culture and can generally be expected to be hostile to the American nation (to the extent it is defined based on ancestry and culture rather than an esoteric definition that somehow results in Shapiro being considered American).

Anonymous SciVo June 29, 2016 6:00 AM  

Discard wrote:First World companies won't survive in Third World kleptocracys.

IIRC, some occidental company (Nokia? Motorola?) spent a lot of money upgrading Turkey's telecom network. As soon as it was done, their local partner proceeded to vote itself more shares in the project until it would get all the revenue. No prizes for guessing who the Turkish courts sided with.

Anonymous SciVo June 29, 2016 6:02 AM  

Oh duh, it must've been Nokia since Motorola is oriental. (That was a weird memory glitch.)

Blogger James Dixon June 29, 2016 6:30 AM  

> You know just because Shapiro is a jew doesn't mean that everything he says is a lie.

No. But the fact that he's a cuckservative means you play the odds. And the odds are well in favor of that being the case.

> No...Shapiro couldn't possibly have something better to do than joust with a back bencher.

Shapiro is the water boy. He never even makes it to the back bench.

> But you want someone who has at least a most basic grasp of government, law, and national security. That Trump ain't got.

Neither did Reagan, according to the media at the time.

Hillary, on the other hand, has an excellent understanding of how to grow government via debt, pass unconstitutional laws, and get Americans around the world killed while raking in donations from the governments that kill them.

Anonymous Ten41 June 29, 2016 7:55 AM  

Vox: Now I'm challenging you to a debate on free trade. Are you up to it?

Love it.

@11B Thanks for the link

Anonymous mature-Craig June 29, 2016 8:10 AM  

in all seriousness He doesn't clearly articulate why he considers tariffs to be garbage,

one or two sentences..... hasn't persuaded me, ...


but given all the anti-Semitism on the internet it probably gets to him, these folks on the internet take cheap shots at Jewish people so it seems to me he wants to take a cheap shot back

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2016 8:58 AM  

I'll be interested to see how Trump plans to keep IT companies from moving overseas if they don't get their H1Bs if there are no tangible goods involved. How do you tariff the flow of information? Its just too easy for them to outsource

No, it's not, really. If it were, it already would have happened, because running a code factory in a third world craphole is far cheaper on paper than importing H-1Bs can ever be. They've tried it, and some of those factories do exist, but it doesn't work very well for a variety of reasons. That's why they're pushing so hard for more H-1Bs, like Cruz's plan to quintuple them.

Yes, if you eliminate H-1Bs tomorrow, some more marginal IT jobs will move overseas, but not as many as you might think. They could very well be offset by the increased number of Americans hired to fill formerly H-1B positions, and the overall bump in salaries that would happen over time.

In any case, the threat of outsourcing in one industry shouldn't prevent a nation from discouraging the outsourcing of physical production of food and manufactured goods.

Blogger Elocutioner June 29, 2016 9:54 AM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Sure hope that Shapiro accepts the challenge issued by Vox.

Something Thunderdomesque would be the most appropriate venue.


I pictured Shapiro riding in on Jonah's back.

Blogger Wyndie June 29, 2016 11:39 AM  

As an IT Manager, I have had H1B contractors working for me. They are no smarter than American, but they have the latest software certifications. Indian H1B workers get subsidized certification training from their govt and reduced pricing from Microsoft. There are many Americans that could do this IT work with the same technical training. We need to educate Americans and MAGA!

Blogger Forbes June 29, 2016 2:46 PM  

The problem for the likes of Ben Shapiro advocating/arguing about 'free trade' is that free trade doesn't exist. as practiced, it consists of dozens of treaties, each hundreds of pages long, with thousands of pages of regulations. That's managed trade, not free trade. Trump's desire to re-negotiate managed trade is a feature, not a bug.

It is the Luddite that prefers status quo, fearing change.

Blogger CM June 29, 2016 6:05 PM  

Been reading a lot at Ricochet and someone said Wal Mart being the biggest employer because of globalism is a plus. How is being in a min wage retail job or fast food an improvement to creating, building, and producing?

Anonymous mature craig June 30, 2016 1:13 PM  

Another thing I noticed in reading about Tariffs. This is an idea that comes from people who donot want to live in a country that operates in debt. So obviously people that want a country to be in debt would debunk Tariffs

Anonymous mature craig June 30, 2016 1:31 PM  

And another thing that occurs once u accept a natinal debt u create the basis for selfish people that care only about their own job and income to lobbu and try to justify any govt expenditure and thats the govt and the debt just get bigger. And the country gets more tyrannical.

Anonymous mature craig June 30, 2016 2:23 PM  

Thinking about it further nothi g is preventing anyone from buying treasury bond bills notes and thus having the debt based money system possibly work to their advantage so maybe free trade trade is optimal but then again maybe not

Anonymous mature craig June 30, 2016 2:37 PM  

And sorry for using tne word selfish. There are lots of good professional people in all industries and all sectors in this great country. Also i dont think there is anything wrong with being a little selfish when it comes to your way of making a living








Anonymous mature-Craig June 30, 2016 4:07 PM  

and I agree with what I assume good people in the media are saying, that blogging or at least me blogging (cuz Im just nuts and wreckless kind of) on the internet is probably not good or helpful to the country, I really am at a point where I agree with them. I don't want to hurt the country, by saying too much or things that don't need to be known, or discovered in this format, and I really do think that what I do does more harm than good, so I am really trying to stop, what brings me back is sometimes I hear something that just compels me to take to the internet, but please understand that I agree with the idea that what I am doing is just not the right way to do things, usually when a new month starts that inspires me to really follow thru on something like staying off of the internet,.. take care all

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